I don't think I know who that Stephen R. is ... I haven't come across anyone crosstraining in stickwork / FMA but then again as I said there's a lot of people out there doing BJJ at the moment and it's certainly possible.
I thought fencing helmets alright but wasn't sure if they were overkill initially - sounds like they'd be a good investment either way.
I actually made it down to Molesworth st. to train with you guys one night but to be honest the timing doesn't suit and I'll hold my hands up and admit I didn't have the patience for the drills (I know, I know...).
Stephen R trains/trained out in IP, believe its closed now
Good drills can be badly taught . Send me a PM in the new year, might be able to sort you a test drive of some of the options out there gear wise
I'm based in Dublin, Ireland, and have had no previous experience with DBMA or indeed much in the way of FMA. My background is mainly in BJJ (blue belt), and some muay thai and boxing for stand-up. Lately I have decided to make a concerted effort to learn more about stickfighting. I am ASP certified and have done the odd single day of training at FMA seminars / classes when the opportunity arose, but that is essentially it.
I have a particular training partner that I meet once a week with who I spar with (outside of other training). He has given the thumbs up to the idea of exploring some stickfighting and learning as we go, since it is something he has wanted to try also.
I don't think either of us are overly afraid of contact, but what is the appropriate / recommended progression in terms of training gear for guys like us so that we do not ruin this for ourselves?
If we begin with action flex or another padded stick what hand, head or eye protection is suggested, if any? Down the line I would ideally like to see us using sticks, gloves and appropriate headgear but I don't want to count our chickens before they hatch, either.
I have the 'original series' volume 1 and 2 and hope to make it over to a DBMA seminar somewhere in the new year. Narrowly missed Guro Lonely in Glasgow last year.
Dunno where you're doing BJJ mate, but if you know a blue belt called Stephen R have a word with him.
Lazora Talaya and Franciso Gomez are hosting lonely dog in Spain in early March I think. Top blokes and Spain is warmer than Glasgae but lacks in the deep fried food dept
Fencing helmets and KIL gloves will serve you well no matter what you spar with, maybe elbow pads too. Shipping for padded sticks to Ireland is a pain, I like the ATF and Lameco sticks personally. Not a fan of the actionflex ones I've used..too flexible, clues in the name I guess.
I also meant to ask the US posters (and any other nationality too). Out of curiosity how much sports related violence does your country suffer? Baring in mind that the US is probably 50 different countries all with different flavours...
We're right dext door and we don't get the same threat level, fans aren't segregated en route to the grounds or in the grounds. Some local soccer teams will attract the kind of morons that the english/scottish firms do but the attendance figures for local soccer is really small so it's rarely a big deal when they do kick off, this would be as bad as it gets:
I thought that hooliganism in the UK had dwindled due to the advent of season tickets etc or is it just that the policing has contained the problem?
Actually, now that I think of it the only time I've seen any fans kick off at a sporting event here, was an MMA show
Woof Point Dog, I'm sure the 4 dead so far will be eternally grateful for that.
4 dead, from only two incidents, In L.A that would probably be called a weekend rather than a riot No reports of looters using firearms either, so swings and roundabouts. There was a guy shot and killed in london but apparently not related to the disorder.
Incidentally, the reports that I read about the 68 year old was that there was one police officer present who couldnt come to his aid until reinforcements came, not that multiple officers were beaten back.
If you want to learn anything from these riots it's that unlike any of the UKs previous riots they were mostly motivated by profit rather than protest and that the disorder spread very quickly beyond the epicentre through the use of social media.
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Of course, military weakness and financial collapse are very european.
"one can of course use force to defend one’s person but that one cannot rightfully lift a finger to defend one’s property and that, if the attack extends to one’s person, the force that one deploys in its defense must be strictly proportionate to the threat"
I'm fairly sure that he's wrong, Common law in the uk allows people to use reasonable force to prevent any crime, including crimes against property
I'm no expert in UK law, but I recall more than one horror story of citizens in the UK getting jammed up for legit acts of self-defense.
I'm no expert in policing in the states, so I avoid judging US police forces solely on the horror stories about police brutality that show up in the media here from time to time. Coming to conclusions based on emotive cases that get hyped in the press is rarely useful.
"one can of course use force to defend one’s person but that one cannot rightfully lift a finger to defend one’s property and that, if the attack extends to one’s person, the force that one deploys in its defense must be strictly proportionate to the threat"
I'm fairly sure that he's wrong, Common law in the uk allows people to use reasonable force to prevent any crime, including crimes against property
Thank you for that articulate expression of a particular approach.
Just to clarify: I'm not the author, too many big words in that article for me
Interesting that people dislike the term master (as do I). Its used to describe a stage in the learning progression of the FMA that I train in:
Learn – the acquisition of fundamental motor skills. Practise – repetition, to integrate the skills into memory, muscle, balance and nervous system. Master – perform the movements and techniques with good form to maximise their effectiveness and minimise your vulnerability. Functionalise – learn to apply them in practice, with appropriate speed and intensity and against resistance or under pressure. Maintain – periodical review of the skills to ensure they remain functional.
I guess the point of this thread is that people tend to get caught in a loop around the practice/master stages if they have no method with which to functionalise the skill.
Some dogs are naturally dominant, and will test authority. In those circumstances it is necessary to establish alpha dominancy in a manner similar to the way wolves establish pack order. They don't get the seat of power growing up as puppies (the couch, the chair, etc) they don't get to sleep in the alphas bed, etc.
What i've seen is that folks reinforce dominance traits in dominance dogs as they are growing up, and then when the dog gets to the age of genetic maturity, and the natural hormones that compel such things kick in, they've already established in their own minds that the 'master' is weak-willed, and attempt to exploit that opening........if folks have created that problem, the only answer is to establish dominance negatively........which is what Alpha wolves do with those that challenge their authority in the pack structure........or lose their place in the pack structure.
My experience has been with working GSD's and Malinois, however.
I remember reading an article somewhere criticising a lot of the wolf pack theory in dog training. Bottom line being that the dog is a very different creature to a wolf and that a lot of these theories about wolf pack dynamics were based on wolf packs cooped up in zoo's which is about as natural an environment as all the forum members here living in a single room. . I've no idea if the criticisms were accurate but it made sense to me that we should not base our interaction's with dogs on theories that revolve around a creature that most of us have never dealt with..i.e the wolf.
What to do when a dog directly defies your authority?
I have three Shibas, which have personalities similar to their larger cousins the Akitas. As puppies part of the training involved using a "takedown." The dogs were never struck. Instead, when they would not listen to commands or defied my authority (meaning did not acknowledge me as the "alpha") I would grab them by the scruff of the neck, pin them to the floor, lean over on top of them, and "growl" in their ear. If they struggled or complained, the position was held until they finally relaxed and resolved to wait me out...ie "submitted." This is similar to what their mother would have done when they were small pups and not behaving well. This was started as "routine" training. When we first got the pup we would do the "takedown" every day and hold it for at least 10 to 15 minutes. This quickly tells the pup who is in charge without any hitting or yelling. Now, going back and trying to use this technique on an adult dog who did not have the training as a pup may be tricky. Especially a dog like an Akita!
Keith
I've a shiba and an akita, and I'd say the shiba has a personality more like a cat, although he's the boss of the akita and never lets him forget that. Oddly enough the akita will not allow himself to be pinned or rolled over by anyone even though he's not a particularly dominant dog.
For a start, stick fighting is no longer extant in Ireland and hasn't been in living memory to the best of my knowledge. Glenn Doyle claims his family style came over to canada with his grandfather or some such, which to me sounds implausible. Originally he claimed that his father/grandfathers' style was called "usice beatha bata rince " which sounds like someone looked up the words "whiskey", "stick" and "dance" in an irish dictionary and literally stuck them together. It appears that he has since changed the name to "rince an bheata usice bheatha" which is grammatically correct at least even if it's kinda amusing (I mean c'mon, not only did his family have a stick fighting style but they happened to name it after two of Ireland's most well known cultural exports?). Everything about it set's my spidey sense's off.
There's a guy called Hurley who started this shillelagh renaissance off, he bases his stuff on period accounts of stick fights I believe. I'm not sure how accurate his sources are but at least he's a straight up WMA recreationist.
For various reasons, the chances are that this stuff is about as irish as a bowl of lucky charms. Although it might have some intrinsic worth in it's own right
This case attracted a good deal of public attention in the UK but that video looks like it's been edited. From memory: In the full clip the guy with the knife also stabs the second victim once (looked like it was the groin/inner thigh). He died soon after. The first victim survived the mulitple stabbings.
One of the guys i train with was walking through Dublin city centre (thats Dublin Ireland) a while back when he spotted a big guy with the DBMA logo tattooed on his forearm, the tattooed guy was talking on his mobile phone so my friend didnt want to interrupt him, when he checked back later the guy was gone.
So does anyone who this fella might have been; big irish guy with a DBMA tattoo? the FMA community in Ireland is pretty small so everyone knows (or knows of) everyone else, it'd be cool if there was a guy with a DBMA background around here.
Incidentally I headed down to a Warriors Escrima class that runs in dublin on thursday and met bambi/oisin. The coach, john, was good enough to spend a lot of time showing me some of the basics. Schedule clashes a bit with my BJJ but I would like to head down again.
Didnt get a chance to watch the footwork dvd yet...
I Think that was Shane you were training with, John is the taller fella who was whacking me with the steel pole masquerading as a padded staff . Still no harm done, they've both been called much worse
The Combining Stick and Footwork is a very good video from what I remember BTW
This new shepherd, he said, "is a dog in the front and a frog in the back, walking around with a retracted backside as if a brick-stone is hanging from its testicles?. The worst is the emptiness in the heads of these dogs, and the boring and stupid expressions on their faces."
Amen and hallelujah to that, I've had shepards most of my life and when our last one died before christmas, I looked at the skinny hunchbacked creatures that now pass for the breed and decided against getting another one. Instead I have solid little shiba pup who's back does'nt look like a profile of the pyrenees
It seems that popularity plus the mentality that the show ring develops is a lethal combination for a dog breed.
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. Send me a PM in the new year, might be able to sort you a test drive of some of the options out there gear wise
a while back when he spotted a big guy with the DBMA logo tattooed on his forearm, the tattooed guy was talking on his mobile phone so my friend didnt want to interrupt him, when he checked back later the guy was gone.
. Still no harm done, they've both been called much worse 
