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101  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: For the Record... on: October 27, 2016, 11:33:35 AM
18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason (Hillary Clinton... talking to you)

"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

This is specific to aiding our enemies, applies to Hillary on the Uranium deal for example.  The Obama crimes like IRS targeting are more internal to subverting our constitution and imploding our country.  I would like to see the federal law applying to that.  It might come down to simply violating his oath of office.
102  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Politically (In)correct on: October 27, 2016, 11:29:59 AM
"Trump is opening a new hotel in DC??..."

Yes.  It seems like quite an accomplishment, converting an old federal building into something modern and profitable, something Hillary and the government have no idea how to do.  What did she get done on her day job while running for President, sell access and state secrets?

Maybe Fox and Friends, National Review and others are just as intolerant of dissent as those on the other side.
103  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Fascism, liberal fascism, progressivism, socialism, crony capitalism, SJW: on: October 26, 2016, 09:39:30 AM
There can really only be ONE reason he feels the need to tell the world who he is going to vote for:
http://www.breitbart.com/

I say it is because of the fifth thing in this title of this thread.

Say it ain't so Colin.  [sell out]   I mean, as  a Bush alum he can vote for whomever he wants, but why he feels the need to announce it to the PUBLIC NOW to me says it all.

Isn't it strange how long they keep calling him a Republican even though he hasn't ever supported the party or recently voted for any of their candidates.  Did he support pro-life, tax cuts, deregulation, defend the constitution when the administration tromped all over it, what?  Nothing.  Romney was too conservative and Obama perfectly competent, but Powell has judgment we could all learn from.    (
104  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Media, Ministry of Truth Issues, Wash Post fact check Russian Uranium deal on: October 26, 2016, 09:30:12 AM
Sorry, no link.  Instead of reporting on the true story told in 'Clinton Cash' about the Clintons accepting huge speech and Foundtion money in exchange for the go-ahead for Russia to buy American Uranium assets, the Washington Post writes it as a 4 Pinocchio story about how well or poorly Donald Trump worded the accusation.  At the end they suggested a wording that State was one of 9 agencies...  Anyone who has followed the story knows that and among those 9, the State Dept was the lead agency.  

The questioned whether Trump had proof that the Secretary of State had any involvement with a highest level, national security decision that was made by her department.  I would hope she did.  Good grief.

I wonder if they question whether she really ran her department because she is a woman, or because she took a pretty hard hit to the head.

Quid, Pro. And Quo, all proven in this story, so the Wash Post can't find what the meaning of the word is is and gives politicians their 4 Pinocchio rating to point to innoculating themselves from their party's and administration's corruption.

"Fact Check" has become a contrary indicator with these institutions.
105  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: No corruption here. Move along folks. FBI tried to cover Obama's tracks. on: October 26, 2016, 09:15:03 AM


Even though he lies and gets caught all the time, this one is a big deal.  It explains why they didn't prosecute her.

His personal and political mis-use of the agencies, Fast and Furious - ATF, Attorney General, IRS targeting - IRS Commissioner, and now this, FBI, Dept of Justice, comprises RICO level crimes and impeachable acts.

To the Lois Lerner's in the agencies who know, you can come forward and tell us what you were directed to do and by whom or you can be prosecuted as part of the corruption conspiracy.
106  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential on: October 25, 2016, 11:46:51 AM
"We have lost unless by some miracle Trump pulls this out."

Outlier polls that had Trump leading today have Hillary by one.  This is still soooo winnable based on all fundamentals - except the quality of our candidate.  The Obamacare crisis should be filling the news from now until election day.  The failures emerging from our foreign policy and economic woes too.  Trump is connecting on some points with some people.  Now it's a matter of numbers.  I wish this underfunded billionaire would use the last two weeks to put his positive message out in a creative way and reach people.
107  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Money, the Fed, Banking, Monetary Policy, Dollar & other currencies, Gold/Silver on: October 25, 2016, 11:20:20 AM
"The Fed doesn't follow its own rules."

Doug,  I am ignorant of such matters.  Why is this?  Is it politics?


Crafty and I have both warned here of the danger of the Fed's dual mission that came out of the Humphrey Hawkins Act signed into law in 1978.  What happens out of it is the attempt to solve things that are not monetary in nature with monetary policy.

In the late 1970s it was believed that unemployment and inflation are offsetting phenomenon and that the Fed shouldn't just fight inflation but also take into consideration the pursuit of full employment in the economy.  But in fact, the Fed contracted monetary policy curbing inflation and Reagan cut tax rates ending the stagnation and unemployment.

Having a second mission for the Fed means not paying full attention to their primary mission.  Yes there is a time and place for monetary policy to coordinate with other policies, such as in the crisis of 2008, but not coordinate with the politicians every day, every year and in every situation.  It makes Fed policies become political, the exact opposite of the intent of having an independent Fed.

As a consequence of this, we had expansionist monetary policies after the crisis and recession of 2001, perhaps wisely, but it continued all the way through to the financial crisis of 2008 and was most certainly one of the major causes of the bubble that became certain to burst.  Our monetary policy was also expansionary all the way through the Obama years even though we are told by the highest authority this already is full employment, a contradiction I have been pointing out.

Humphrey–Hawkins Full Employment Act, 1978  (Thank you Hubert Humphrey...)
"Mandates the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve to establish a monetary policy that maintains long
-run growth, minimizes inflation, and promotes price stability.  ...
Requires the Chairman of the Federal Reserve to connect the monetary policy with the Presidential economic policy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humphrey%E2%80%93Hawkins_Full_Employment_Act

The Fed's Bipolar Mandate
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704648604575620522989880684

Lawmakers seek to change Federal Reserve's
Bove Opposes QE2, Supports Cutting U.S. Deficit and Debt
Nov. 15 (Bloomberg) -- Richard Bove, an analyst at Rochdale Securities, talks about his opposition to the Federal Reserve's policy of quantitative easing. Bove, in a group including former Republican government officials and economists, urged Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke in a letter to stop his expansion of monetary stimulus, saying it risks an inflation surge.

Washington Post  Tuesday, November 16, 2010
Two influential Republican lawmakers called Tuesday for a fundamental remaking of the Federal Reserve's mission, arguing that the central bank should stop trying to reduce unemployment and instead focus solely on keeping inflation low.
   The proposal by Sen. Bob Corker (Tenn.) and Rep. Mike Pence (Ind.) would end the three-decade-old "dual mandate" of the Fed, its legal charge from Congress to simultaneously aim for maximum employment and price stability.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/16/AR2010111606151.html

George Will: The Fed falls into a dual-mandate trap
http://www.presstelegram.com/article/ZZ/20101117/NEWS/101119392
108  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Our Productivity is Declining! on: October 25, 2016, 10:50:19 AM
If this election was about economics (and why isn't it?), wouldn't you want to be able to make the people and the country more prosperous?  One set of policies advances that and the other set of polices diminishes it.

Pointed out previously, wage growth was 8 times better under Clinton after tax rate cutting than in the early years when he was raising taxes and working on national healthcare.

Why don't results of policies matter over sounds good ideology?

It is Year 8 for the Obama Administration and productivity is declining.  This isn't about Bush; this is either a bug or a  feature of their economic design.  They put their distorted definition of fairness ahead of growth and got neither.  Income inequality widened.  Program dependency broadened.  Workforce participation continued to decline.  Entrepreneurism nearly vanished.  And wage growth, for the most part, ended.

You can't launch an attack on capital, essential to labor, without hurting labor.  These issues are as old as the hills, and we (at least half the electorate) keep learning nothing.  The economy is interconnected, and the rhetoric that some policy like tax hikes will only hurt the top 1 or 2% is always complete BS, whether out of ignorant or intentionally deception.

One article noting the decline in productivity - and the reasons for it:
https://economicsone.com/2016/10/16/take-off-the-muzzle-and-the-economy-will-roar/
http://www.wsj.com/articles/why-the-economy-doesnt-roar-anymore-1476458742

In his Saturday Wall Street Journal essay “Why the Economy Doesn’t Roar Anymore”—illustrated with a big lion with its mouth shut—Marc Levinson offers the answer that the “U.S. economy isn’t behaving badly. It is just being ordinary.”  But there is nothing ordinary (or secular) about the current stagnation of  barely 2 percent growth. The economy is not roaring because it’s muzzled by government policy, and if we take off that muzzle—like Lucy and Susan did in “The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe”—the economy will indeed roar.

It is of course true, as Levinson states, that “faster productivity growth” is “the key to faster economic growth.” But it’s false, as he also states,  that it has all been downhill since the “long boom after World War II” and “there is no going back.” The following chart of productivity growth drawn from my article in the American Economic Review shows why Levinson misinterprets recent history. Whether you look at 5 year averages, statistically filtered trends, or simple directional arrows, you can see huge swings in productivity growth in recent years.  These movements—the productivity slump of the 1970s, the rebound of the 1980s and 1990s, and the recent slump—are closely related to shifts in economic policy, and economic theory indicates that the relationship is causal, as I explain here and here and in blogs and opeds. You can also see that the recent terrible performance—negative productivity growth for the past year—is anything but ordinary.  Productivity Growth



Writing about the 1980’s and 1990s, Levinson claims that “deregulation, privatization, lower tax rates, balanced budgets and rigid rules for monetary policy—proved no more successful at boosting productivity than the statist policies…” The chart shows the contrary: productivity growth was generally picking up in the 1980s and 1990s.  It is the stagnation of the late 1960s, the 1970s, and the last decade that is state-sponsored.  To turn the economy around we need to take the muzzle off, and that means regulatory reform, tax reform, budget reform, and monetary reform.
109  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Money, the Fed, Monetary Policy, Rules versus Discretion, Prof John B Taylor on: October 25, 2016, 10:23:13 AM
In Venezuela they found the point where it is too late to prevent disaster and money buys nothing.  Unable to learn from their experience, we copy them.  Our economy is too great to be thrown into crisis?  Does anyone remember 2008?

Money matters and maybe we should be managing according to some set of rules.  Instead and because of the so-called dual mission of the Fed, our Fed is trying to fix flat tires by putting more gasoline in the carburetor, when they should be  minding our currency - with some fairly consistent set of rules.

For what little any of us know about money including the Fed Chair and governors, there are some models and rules out there with varying experiences with accuracy and reputation.  Best and state of the art today is the "Taylor rule". 

The Fed doesn't follow its own rules.  In the place of rules and rationality we see from the central banks, quantitative easing, zero interest rates, negative interest rates, and the next tool coming, "helicopter money".

  "Last month Janet Yellen presented a policy framework for the future centered around a Taylor rule, noting that the Fed has deviated from such a rule in recent years.  A week later, her FOMC colleague, Jeff Lacker, also showed that the Fed has deviated from a Taylor rule benchmark, adding that now is the time to get back."
https://economicsone.com/2016/08/30/jackson-hole-xxxv/

One place to look at the Taylor Rule is in the writings of Prof John B Taylor of Stanford Univ.  There are formulas to use as guideposts to policy for setting the Fed Funds and the like.  In this paper, he talks about the balance between discretion and rules:

http://web.stanford.edu/~johntayl/Onlinepaperscombinedbyyear/1993/Discretion_versus_Policy_Rules_in_Practice.pdf
110  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Hillbillary Clintons long, sordid, and often criminal history on: October 24, 2016, 12:15:17 PM
(Hillary's support) "but always at less than 50%. "

"Bill won both elections under 50% as well."
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Yes he did!  If we take today's polls forward, she wins with under 50% of the vote and way under 50% of the country.  Consolidating the opposition to Hillary is the only alternative to being ruled by Hillary.  We don't avoid permanent leftism any other way.

It isn't going to be easier to get her out after 4 years than it is now, major understatement.  In 4-8 years we will have 11-30 million new voters leaning left and owing their citizenship to her.  There is no waiting or next time around strategy.  The opportunity to take the country back doesn't come around again in our lifetimes, if ever.
111  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential, You can vote in America more than once - LEGALLY on: October 24, 2016, 11:50:41 AM
The answer to that is PERSUASION.  Elections matter and elections have consequences.  People ARE influenced by people close to them even though the process is so slow that it seems impossible.

To all the people we all know, especially women and including my daughter and my girlfriend, those from the moderate middle or reasonably persuadable left or even from the right, the answer to their objection to Trump:

IF Trump is a despicable human being, then Hillary is too.  Launching a campaign to DESTROY her husband's accusers only to find out what they all were saying was true, and never repent or try to make these wrongs right makes her a personally despicable human being, a rapist and a groper no further removed from it than the husband she enabled to do it - over a period of DECADES.  She blamed the "right wing conspiracy" for the "attacks on her husband" when all of the accusers were Democrats and supporters of his.  On policy, she lies to the country more often than she tells the truth - and in private, she admits it! You CANNOT base your choice on some kind of personal or political morals and then pull the lever for Hillary.  If you can't cross that moral line to vote Trump, then you can't vote for Hillary either - or else you HAVE crossed it!

For leftists that want to see leftism, loss of sovereignty, declining incomes, absent borders continue, for those 43% or so according to the polls who buy that, HRC is the right choice for them and no amount of last minute persuasion is going to change that.  This is not the time to argue with pure leftists.

For those in the middle and the right who want a change of direction - for the good, Trump-Pence is your only valid choice.  It doesn't mean you endorse his private comments or like his personality.  It means you recognize the republic is in big trouble and if you don't make this choice for change of direction, right now, someone else will make the choice for you.

A friend known to be Republican has already voted absentee.  He told to a group of friends, mostly Democrats, he held his nose and voted.

Hold you nose and vote. 

And spread the word.  We all reach only a relatively small number of people for a relatively short period of time.  Use what influence you have on others wisely.

If Trump is elected and then becomes deserving of removal from office, he can be removed and we end up with President Mike Pence, highly qualified and fully ready.

Hillary cannot be removed from office no matter what laws she breaks.  Democrats have proven that over and over.

Funny that rule of law favors the guy who took advantage of private takings, out-sourced labor, used liberal bankruptcy laws, depreciation, carried interest and loss deductions.  On all these examples  he was complying with the laws as bad as they are.  It's time to change a few laws - and then enforce them for a change.  Hold leaders accountable.  Voting established power out is the only remedy left.
112  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: POTH: Is Newt Trump's heir? on: October 24, 2016, 11:00:02 AM
quote author=Crafty_Dog If Donald loses, the question arises-- does someone else succeed him to lead the movement, and if so, who?  Here Pravda on the Hudson offers its take: ...Gingrich...


Newt is a great American, has been a great supporter of Trump, probably designed and wrote Trump's new Contract with the American Voter.  He is a great surrogate and behind the scenes adviser.  That said, as a candidate and a player, he had his time and he had his chance.  He isn't the leader or the successor.  As youthful as he comes across he is older than both Hillary and Trump.  He had his own women and fidelity issues.  He worked for Fannie Mae as a "historian" when he should have been lobbying for its demise.  There isn't a successor to Trump and his hardest core supporters aren't coming back to merge with the other wings.  We have to replay this whole, rotten ordeal having learned nothing and with a side that is small and even more divided.


113  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Cyberwar, Cyber Crime, and American Freedom on: October 24, 2016, 10:50:11 AM
quote author=Crafty_Dog Techie question:  Does our recent diminishment of control of the internet to some international body lessen our ability to defend ourselves in the event of cyberattacks such as these/cyberwar?
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I don't know the tech answer to that, just speculate that of course it does.  Leave the broader question open to be addressed as the evidence comes in, what are all the ill-effects of this disgraceful, anti-American policy?
114  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump, 6 point Contract with the American Voter on: October 24, 2016, 10:43:20 AM
FIRST, propose a Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress;
SECOND, a hiring freeze on all federal employees to reduce federal workforce through attrition (exempting military, public safety, and public health);
THIRD, a requirement that for every new federal regulation, two existing regulations must be eliminated;
FOURTH, a 5 year-ban on White House and Congressional officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government service;
FIFTH, a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government;
SIXTH, a complete ban on foreign lobbyists raising money for American elections.

(Drain the swamp.)

On the same day, I will begin taking the following seven actions to protect American workers:

FIRST, I will announce my intention to renegotiate NAFTA or withdraw from the deal under Article 2205
SECOND, I will announce our withdrawal from the Trans-Pacific Partnership
THIRD, I will direct my Secretary of the Treasury to label China a currency manipulator
FOURTH, I will direct the Secretary of Commerce and U.S. Trade Representative to identify all foreign trading abuses that unfairly impact American workers and direct them to use every tool under American and international law to end those abuses immediately
FIFTH, I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars’ worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal.
SIXTH, lift the Obama-Clinton roadblocks and allow vital energy infrastructure projects, like the Keystone Pipeline, to move forward
SEVENTH, cancel billions in payments to U.N. climate change programs and use the money to fix America’s water and environmental infrastructure

Additionally, on the first day, I will take the following five actions to restore security and the constitutional rule of law:

FIRST, cancel every unconstitutional executive action, memorandum and order issued by President Obama
SECOND, begin the process of selecting a replacement for Justice Scalia from one of the 20 judges on my list, who will uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States
THIRD, cancel all federal funding to Sanctuary Cities
FOURTH, begin removing the more than 2 million criminal illegal immigrants from the country and cancel visas to foreign countries that won’t take them back
FIFTH, suspend immigration from terror-prone regions where vetting cannot safely occur. All vetting of people coming into our country will be considered extreme vetting.

Next, I will work with Congress to introduce the following broader legislative measures and fight for their passage within the first 100 days of my Administration:

1. Middle Class Tax Relief And Simplification Act. An economic plan designed to grow the economy 4% per year and create at least 25 million new jobs through massive tax reduction and simplification, in combination with trade reform, regulatory relief, and lifting the restrictions on American energy. The largest tax reductions are for the middle class. A middle-class family with 2 children will get a 35% tax cut. The current number of brackets will be reduced from 7 to 3, and tax forms will likewise be greatly simplified. The business rate will be lowered from 35 to 15 percent, and the trillions of dollars of American corporate money overseas can now be brought back at a 10 percent rate.

2. End The Offshoring Act Establishes tariffs to discourage companies from laying off their workers in order to relocate in other countries and ship their products back to the U.S. tax-free.

3. American Energy & Infrastructure Act. Leverages public-private partnerships, and private investments through tax incentives, to spur $1 trillion in infrastructure investment over 10 years. It is revenue neutral.

4. School Choice And Education Opportunity Act. Redirects education dollars to gives parents the right to send their kid to the public, private, charter, magnet, religious or home school of their choice. Ends common core, brings education supervision to local communities. It expands vocational and technical education, and make 2 and 4-year college more affordable.

5. Repeal and Replace Obamacare Act. Fully repeals Obamacare and replaces it with Health Savings Accounts, the ability to purchase health insurance across state lines, and lets states manage Medicaid funds. Reforms will also include cutting the red tape at the FDA: there are over 4,000 drugs awaiting approval, and we especially want to speed the approval of life-saving medications.

6. Affordable Childcare and Eldercare Act. Allows Americans to deduct childcare and elder care from their taxes, incentivizes employers to provide on-site childcare services, and creates tax-free Dependent Care Savings Accounts for both young and elderly dependents, with matching contributions for low-income families.

7. End Illegal Immigration Act Fully-funds the construction of a wall on our southern border with the full understanding that the country Mexico will be reimbursing the United States for the full cost of such wall; establishes a 2-year mandatory minimum federal prison sentence for illegally re-entering the U.S. after a previous deportation, and a 5-year mandatory minimum for illegally re-entering for those with felony convictions, multiple misdemeanor convictions or two or more prior deportations; also reforms visa rules to enhance penalties for overstaying and to ensure open jobs are offered to American workers first.

8. Restoring Community Safety Act. Reduces surging crime, drugs and violence by creating a Task Force On Violent Crime and increasing funding for programs that train and assist local police; increases resources for federal law enforcement agencies and federal prosecutors to dismantle criminal gangs and put violent offenders behind bars.

9. Restoring National Security Act. Rebuilds our military by eliminating the defense sequester and expanding military investment; provides Veterans with the ability to receive public VA treatment or attend the private doctor of their choice; protects our vital infrastructure from cyber-attack; establishes new screening procedures for immigration to ensure those who are admitted to our country support our people and our values

10. Clean up Corruption in Washington Act. Enacts new ethics reforms to Drain the Swamp and reduce the corrupting influence of special interests on our politics.

On November 8th, Americans will be voting for this 100-day plan to restore prosperity to our economy, security to our communities, and honesty to our government.

This is my pledge to you.

Video at link:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/22/trump_addresses_contract_with_the_american_voter_in_gettysburg_term_limits_energy_immigration_more.html
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Where I disagree with him on some issues, it isn't a close call that his agenda would reinvigorate America and Hillary's would destroy it.  To sit out is to let others decide.  How did that go for conservatives who couldn't stomach Romney?
115  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Media, Ministry of Truth, NY Times says reject Rubio in Florida, elect the lefti on: October 24, 2016, 10:30:01 AM
I can't see the distinction between the left and the media, could go in either thread.  This is the official editorial board of the NY Times, not a leftist columnist.  And it's not about Rubio, it's about removing all alternatives to leftist rule.

Source: NY TIMES Sunday, editorial page.  I omit the link intentionally; not going to promote their shameful viewpoint.  Just would like to point out that destroying all the reasonable alternative voices on the right to Trump is a good part of what created Trump.  Once he loses, the media, establishment conspiracy has completed the entire takeover.  The only glitch is the chance that we have a 2010, 2014 type turnout year, and Trump wins and the R's carry the House and Senate by however small a margin and it is the other party that is in seemingly permanent disarray.
116  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Law Class Discussion Regarding High Levels of Corruption. on: October 24, 2016, 10:17:54 AM

Now Hillary continues to break the law.  Nothing here folks move along:


I brought this up yesterday in one of my law classes.

Turns out, the only ones who can really punish Obama, Clinton, Comey, etc., when they have that much power and Congress refuses to prosecute, is the National Secretary of Defense or a General. We all obviously know where that would go, but when the entire snake is corrupt (and it is), that is one of only two remaining options.

I just thought I would bring that up.


DDF, right.  When the corruption is that high up, the only remedy is political. More than 50% think Clinton should be prosecuted yet she still leads slightly overall in the polls, but always at less than 50%.  Clinton could be impeached if she were still Secretary, but she isn't.  The IRS chief, former Attorney General, current Attorney General, Treasury Secretary and President and VP should be impeached, but that is a political matter.  Because of super-majorities required, it only happens when their own party turns against them.  Instead the opposition is divided and the party in power is poised to win on a campaign promising that corruption in Washington will get worse.  We are screwed, unless the drain the swamp message suddenly takes the day at the ballot box but the voting has already begun.  No real time left.
117  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Obamacare Premiums Up 30% In TX, MS, KS; 50% In IL, AZ, PA; 93% In NM on: October 24, 2016, 10:03:42 AM
Obamacare Premiums Up 30% In TX, MS, KS; 50% In IL, AZ, PA; 93% In NM

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-21/obamacare-premiums-30-tx-ms-ks-50-il-az-pa-93-nm-when-does-death-spiral-blow

http://www.wsj.com/articles/rate-increases-for-health-plans-pose-serious-test-for-obamas-signature-law-1476822335

Approved Hikes Just Under 20%: Colorado, Florida and Idaho
Approved Hikes 20% to 29%: Connecticut, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland
Approved Hikes 30% to 49%: Alabama, Delaware, Hawaii, Kansas, Mississippi, Texas
Approved Hikes 50% to 92%: Arizona, Illinois, Montana, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Tennessee
Approved hikes 93%: New Mexico
118  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Islam in Europe, migrant asylum seekers in Garmisch German ski resort town on: October 24, 2016, 09:58:53 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3851012/I-don-t-feel-safe-refugees-Inside-stunning-German-ski-resort-hit-major-migrant-crime-wave-women-frightened-carry-pepper-spray.html

"The unease felt by many in Garmisch-Partenkirchen, pictured, is mirrored across Germany where Chancellor Merkel decision to open Germany's border to almost a million migrants has led to political and social unrest."

No word in the story about religion of the "migrants" and "asylum seekers", just a "clash of cultures".  I will move this to the Violent Lutherans in Europe thread if that turns out to be the case.
119  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential, Gallup on this day, 2012 on: October 21, 2016, 12:23:05 PM
Gallup Poll, October 22, 2012: Romney 52, Obama 45
http://www.cnbc.com/id/49502664
(outlier poll, didn't help Romney's result)

Gallup Poll: Jimmy Carter 47 -- Ronald Reagan 39   09/20/2012
http://lubbockonline.com/interact/blog-post/may/2012-09-20/gallop-poll-jimmy-carter-47-ronald-reagan-39#

Pollsters only get their accuracy checked on their final poll.  Will that cause them to close the gap?  

Trump will close strong, and the race will be closer than the current Oval Office drape measurers think.
Steve Hayward, Powerline.

Trump needs authentic, positive polling give supporters and undecideds reason to think upset is possible.
IBD, Rasmussen and LATimes today have Trump leading.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

Is there a shy-Trump vote, where they won't say it but will vote it?  Also, is there a structural polling problem where households as we knew them are no longer reachable?
120  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Subic Bay, Phillippines on: October 21, 2016, 11:11:47 AM
How long until the People's Liberation Army Navy (yes, that is what it's called) has a base there?

Construction can start in 3 weeks.  (

'Tell Xi we will have more flexibility after my chosen successors' election'.

We want Russians to be the force of freedom in the Middle East, why not have a communist-expansionist military run the Taiwan to Singapore Sea?  Saves us money in the short run.  And it brings them to the diplomatic bargaining table - to laugh at our demise.
121  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Can we be like Canada? on: October 21, 2016, 10:58:14 AM
ccp:  "Keep in mind that many of the policy makers and evaluators are in their hearts, for a single payer system.

That's right.  Isn't it sick that it's actually the left, the designers and supporters of Obamacare who wish it to fail, oblivious to the human tragedy of that.  Conservatives just want it repealed, not wish harm on the recipients.

Government healthcare in every other nook of the world is helped by what's left of private sector innovation here.  When we go under, there isn't some other US for people to turn to.  The leading edge treatments are the most expensive and scarcity is always rationed one way or another.  If not by price then by queuing.

Waiting times for medically necessary treatments in Canada are up 97% in 20 years.
4 week wait for oncology radiation, that doesn't hurt outcomes, does it?
Waits for orthopedic procedures are far worse.
43.1 week on Prince Edward Island for "medically necessary treatments"?
8.4% of the populations in Newfoundland & Labrador are waiting for treatment.
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wait-times-for-health-care-in-canada-2015-report
Same system here would yield far worse results.

The top 1% don't wait, at least 52,000 came to the US last year for non-emergency treatment, up 25% in one year.
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/leaving-canada-for-medical-care-2015.pdf
Where would Americans go after we abandon private care?

In the UK, the top 10% buy private coverage in addition to their NHS membership.  
https://www.quora.com/What-percentage-of-the-UK-population-buys-private-healthcare-insurance

62% in the UK believe the private sector has a role to play in reducing NHS waiting lists.
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2013/06/17/healthcare-choices-nhs-versus-private/

I wonder if anyone has polled Venezuelans recently (or socialist North Koreans) on healthcare satisfaction.  Hugo chose Cuba over the Mayo Clinic for his treatment, ideology over outcomes.  How is that working out?
122  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Fewer Americans Have Private Health Insurance, unsustainable free sh*t on: October 21, 2016, 10:21:45 AM
http://www.weeklystandard.com/fewer-americans-have-private-health-insurance-now-than-in-2007/article/2004964#.WAgDIBgX0rY.facebook

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No progress whatsoever in 10 years since Democrats took Washington.  More people can't stand on their own, need government assistance.  Remember when we used to judge their effectiveness by how many people no longer need the program?

Now lefties tout how popular free sh*t is with the public.

Yes, rob Peter to pay Paul.  And Amanda, Julia, Maria, Laquisha, Jose and Youssef.  And only getting the latter group's consent.

We made private healthcare unaffordable through government interference while pushing tens of millions into healthcare subsidies.

The argument their side makes is do more of it.  Kill off other people's money while making nearly everyone dependent on it.

The argument our side fails to make is that shutting down the vibrant and dynamic private sector that allows wealth creation to pay for public benefits hurts the recipients of the public benefits system more than it hurts the wealthy - if you can look past your next check.  How are the public benefits recipients doing in Haiti, Venezuela and Republic of the Congo - where wealth doesn't exist?  Not possible that could happen here?  We went from 6% growth to 1% growth and it is the low growth that is unsustainable, held up only by temporary, artificial measures like quantitative expansion and massive debt spending schemes.  We jeopardize our real safety net when we shut down our productive, private economy.

Free shit in Sweden including health care (along with open border migration) eventually brought in crime, riots, violence, police no-go zones and civil war. Native people quit reproducing and new people came for the wrong reasons.  Generous Minnesotans have known that for decades.  Murders in the worst areas have a Chicago migrant connection to them and dozens of Somalis have been arrested for joining al Qaida.  Screw up the price, cost and incentive systems and people respond with the rewarded, unproductive behaviors.

No one aspires to be Peter anymore, the one they all want to rob from.  But without Peter's continued income, we don't pay Paul and all the rest.
123  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential - 4 seconds, 17 agencies on: October 20, 2016, 06:22:34 PM
"When the president gives the order to launch a nuclear weapon, that’s it. The officer has to launch. It can take as little as four minutes."

   - Wouldn't this information be strategic, if not classified?  Snopes denial that it is classified (they don;t know) makes me think it is classified.
http://www.snopes.com/clinton-four-minute-nuclear/


"We have 17 intelligence agencies, civilian and military, who have all concluded that these espionage attacks, these cyberattacks, come from the highest levels of the Kremlin, and they are designed to influence our election."

PolitiFact says they don't know, therefore true.  Sounds like they made a requested, political determination, subject to change.  Was she also going to reveal methods? 

Same 17 agencies think sending and received classified material of the highest order, like the location of our Ambassador in a war zone, in an unsecured manner, is treason.
124  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Fewer Americans Have Private Health Insurance Now Than in 2007 on: October 20, 2016, 03:57:32 PM
http://www.weeklystandard.com/fewer-americans-have-private-health-insurance-now-than-in-2007/article/2004964#.WAgDIBgX0rY.facebook

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No progress whatsoever in 10 years since Democrats took Washington.  More people can't stand on their own, need government assistance.  Remember when we used to judge their effectiveness by how many people no longer need the program?
125  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential, James Taranto, WSJ on: October 20, 2016, 03:54:25 PM
Let’s try a thought experiment. Suppose that during one of the October 2000 presidential debates, Vice President Al Gore had been asked the following question: “Do you make the . . . commitment that you’ll absolutely accept the result of the election?” Moderator Chris Wallace put that query to Donald Trump last night.

Now for the experimental part: Imagine Gore giving a completely truthful answer—that is, an answer that not only reflected his honest intent but accurately anticipated how he would respond to various scenarios, including the one that actually obtained.

It seems to us that Gore’s hypothetical answer would be similar to Trump’s actual one—not the long back-and-forth in which Trump enumerated complaints including media bias, FBI corruption and poorly maintained voter roles, but the prospective bottom line, to wit: “I will look at it at the time. I’m not looking at anything now, I’ll look at it at the time. . . . What I’m saying is that I will tell you at the time. I’ll keep you in suspense, OK?”

Gore probably wouldn’t have said “I’ll keep you in suspense, OK?”—that’s a distinctly Trumpian bit of showmanship—but if he were being completely truthful, he would say, as Trump did, that he would keep his options open and respond to circumstances as they arose. And did they ever arise. True, Gore delivered a gracious concession speech, but not until Dec. 13, more than a month after Election Day.

It isn’t hard to imagine a counterfactual scenario in which Gore would have conceded on the normal schedule. If George W. Bush’s initial margin in Florida had been, say, 60,000 votes (just over 1% of the total) instead of around 2,000, there would have been nothing to contest. But the narrow margin in a decisive state led to weeks of lawsuits and selective recounts—and, even after Gore’s concession, to years of bitter claims that he wuz robbed.

Among those bitterly clinging to the myth of the stolen election—or at least propagating it for political purposes—was Hillary Clinton.
126  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential, willing suspension of disbelief on: October 20, 2016, 02:35:50 PM
Doug,

I also had to do five of these  rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes

when Hillary said her policies will help small businesses!

That is absurd.  

Right and she will also add not a cent to the deficit - by expanding on exactly what caused the last $10 trillion.

For the low hanging curve balls that Trump missed, I wonder if enough viewers get it anyway.
127  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Senator Marco Rubio on: October 20, 2016, 02:11:29 PM
Rubio makes a good point IMHO to note the danger of accepting leaks, breaches and ill-gotten material.  That said, as others pointed out, we play on their playing field and cannot accept two sets of rules.  When the leaks expose Republicans, the adversaries aren't going to look the other way.  Good grief.

Trump should have turned this into example and proof that HER choice of unsecured communications was reckless and dangerous.  Emails of valuable targets get hacked.

It is also an interesting to the deletion of 33,000 wedding planning emails.  We will eventually know. 
128  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential, 3rd debate on: October 20, 2016, 01:58:32 PM
1.  Heller wasn't about toddlers.  It was about the right or lack of a right of a 66 year old retired policeman to own a gun in Washington DC where the local government had banned guns in defiance of the 2nd amendment.  .0001 of gun deaths are toddlers.  Hillary lied.  She opposes the second amendment and is too dishonest and expedient to just propose its repeal.

2. What is 'difficult' about Roe-Wade, pro-life, "pro-choice' and difficult, personal healthcare decisions is that it takes a life.  She can blather with the best about cancer screening, as if only an abortion house can do that, and NEVER mention why the "choice" is difficult. It takes a life, 98% of abortions are for convenience reasons and support for partial birth abortions puts you in the furthest left of the left beyond even her own party.  Hillary lied by omission.

3. Hillary does not support open borders?  But that is exactly what she said and she supports the status quo that every reasonable person categorizes as open borders.  She explicitly supported everything that failed in Reagan's reform and the 2006 border act.

Her Brazilian comment about her dream of open borders was about energy.  Really?  Energy borders??

4. Hillary's described her economic plan only in terms of government making 'investments' in things that used to be private sector.  Distinguished it in NO way from the Obama plan that brought $10 trillion more debt and 1% growth.

5. TPP, She was for it before she was against it.  He will negotiate a better one.  She will do what?  Didn't say.  Just spewing what her pollsters and political advisers wrote.

6. Hillary defended the good work of the Foundation without denying or addressing the question about pay to play that has  been documented and proven.

7.  Hillary blamed Bush for the Obama economy.  Seriously??  What Bush did wrong is fail to oppose Democratic policies she STILL supports.

8.  Most noteworthy are all the things not mentioned.  Number one in my mind, This Clinton opposes all the policies that unleashed private sector growth in the Clinton I administration and supports all the policies that held back growth, income and wages in the Obama and Chavez-Maduro administrations.

The fallout from this is unknown.  Not many are moved on either side no matter what they say but so many undecideds have yet to make their decision.  Hillary looks the readiest to settle in and work with the existing establishment in both parties, the bureaucracy, the media, the allies and the adversaries.  She will be crooked but she is a known crook.  She will steal more furniture, raise the cost of healthcare and government and shrink real wages.  The verdict if she wins is 'more of the same', not 'the first woman' as media will declare.

If Trump wins it will be American Brexit.  The country that polls more than 2:1 wrong track over right direction will have spoken by giving the establishment of both parties and the status quo the back of their hand or worse.  Like Brexit, the country and the new administration will have to pick up the pieces from scratch.  There will be a new tax code.  A deletion of thousands of unconstitutional regulations and a re-opening of all international agreements with an eye toward protecting American interests.  Like or hate Trump personally, that possibility has to be at least tempting for a majority of the people.
129  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / re. How Roman Central Planners Destroyed Their Economy on: October 19, 2016, 10:49:24 AM

Central planning has been a failure for many years, really all of history.

This post is a keeper.  Hard to fully document the failure of central planning without knowing the end of the Roman empire and of the Soviet planners, two very different experiments.


Also note the writing of Ibn Khaldun from the 1300s, The Muqqadimah, noting how government expanding and incentives to produce diminishing ends in collapse.  Excerpt in translation:

"In the early stages of the state, taxes are light in their incidence, but fetch in a large revenue...As time passes and kings succeed each other, they lose their tribal habits in favor of more civilized ones. Their needs and exigencies grow...owing to the luxury in which they have been brought up. Hence they impose fresh taxes on their subjects...[and] sharply raise the rate of old taxes to increase their yield...But the effects on business of this rise in taxation make themselves felt. For business men are soon discouraged by the comparison of their profits with the burden of their taxes...Consequently production falls off, and with it the yield of taxation."
http://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=1023.msg16968#msg16968
130  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential on: October 19, 2016, 10:30:14 AM
Trump is failing to close the deal on his gravitas ("presidential-ness").  Everything else is secondary to that.

He should delegate the muck and the wonkery to his extremely capable team-- i.e. who would be doing what under a President Trump:

Gen Flynn for geopolitics, war with Islamo Fascism, Russia, Cyberwar
Christie for the indictment
Carson for Obamacare
Giuliani for Homeland Security and Law & Order
Gingrich for political tactics, dealing with Congress legislation
Team with Paul Ryan on specifics for enabling development of underclass neighborhoods.  Ryan is a true student of this under Jack Kemp and should have a bunch of stuff ready to go.
Ivanka for interface on women's issues


I agree.  A full team in place could show he is serious about winning and governing and allow people to envision a Trump administration.  Releasing his Supreme Court list helped him, made him look serious, and conservative.  The Pence pick was instrumental, showed wisdom on Trump's part.  Grow the team now.  Add gravitas.  Or lose.
131  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Dylan - hero of the LEFT - so he wins Nobel on: October 18, 2016, 01:05:38 PM
"I just want to know, why it is, that none of these leftist heroes ever give away all of their cash, to go live in poverty, in one of the places like the one they want to turn the US into?

Anyone?"
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DDF nails it.  The power and validity if questions like that make it hard for liberals and moderates to hang with us on this board.  You might be held to explain something like that.   Are prominent actors and musicians moving to Venezuela where their policies are fully in place?  And where can conservatives move?  Most of the rest of the world is worse, so to make things more equal, we copy them.

I also don't know how leftist ir how political Bob Zimmerman (Dylan) is.  With "how many times must the cannon balls fly Before they're forever banned" he perhaps invented the freeze movement and unilateral disarmament before John Lennon invented one world open borders, but in his own words he was a musician, not a political activist.
 
The 'how many times' refrain also applies to giving Nobel peace prizes to likes of the Arafat, Carter, Gore, Obama and Dylan without diminishing the good brand name.

Liberty isn't that sexy enough for popular songs - although "Hamilton" has people singing about the constitution and the federalist papers.
132  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Is Vote Fraud One Directional? on: October 18, 2016, 12:56:23 PM
I was watching the debate with a 'liberal' or at least a centrist, when Trump said "voter fraud", I heard the retort, "both ways".

But is it?  Are conservative Republican precincts committing electoral crimes of the types or on the scale we have seen in urban, leftist centers?  Are the dead, the felons, the illegals coming out equally or similarly for both sides.  I say no, but what is the evidence of that?

Maybe they refer to voting machine manufacturers being owned by corporations, or something like that...

Even if voter fraud went both ways, wouldn't that be even more reason to crack down and tolerate none of it?
133  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, rigged on: October 18, 2016, 12:45:19 PM
ccp:  "Will makes the case that Trump "has a point".   And we all know he is famous for being against Trump.   Yet Paul Ryan,  RNC lawyers, and the never Trumpers do nothing but undermine him.   They sing the tune of the LEFT undermining the most of the members of the Republican party for the umpteenth time.  Why couldn't Ryan have said something like this?:

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/10/18/george-will-trump-has-a-point-on-rigged-elections/ "


Trump could point to 3 things that happened in Obama's reelection to evidence the rig:

1.  IRS Targeting - 700 conservative groups were prevented from raising money and participating (against Obama's reelection and policies) by action / inaction of the federal bureaucracy, while the IRS commissioner was visiting the White House 500 times more often than his predecessor.

2. Two against one debates, ex parte media and playing field, Candy Crowtley, case in point.  It wasn't just that she jumped into the debate or that she was wrong, it was that the move was quite obviously planned, prearranged and coordinated between the campaign and the questioner.  Is Chris Wallace preparing for this week's debate by planning it with one side?

3. Benghazi Lie - and again the coordination with the media (see point 2) - The narrative was that al Qaida was in retreat and that 'smart diplomacy' was working and the act of war against our unprotected compound was a perfect refutation of all of it.  Obama, Clinton, Susan Rice and the top levels of some of the agencies conspired with the state-run media to ride their false story through to the election.

Is 'media conspiring with the campaign' too strong a charge?  No, it's documented in the emails.  It's also on display all around us.  Watch the latest buzzword montage, Trump is "dangerous".  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ4juxYA41o
These examples are planted by the campaign and repeated to the point of reaching every voter by the media.  
134  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump on: October 18, 2016, 12:20:49 PM
Case for Trump.

I agree with VDH and Doug.  I just emailed this to some relatives who are voting their conscious and writing in candidates  which I question as to the point. 

It certainly is a vote for Hillary.   

This election may well be the last one many of us will ever have any say in national politics and the direction of our country.  The never Trumpers are deluding themselves or so divorced from main street they don't care.  Like WSJ types who are for Hillary.

I also sent that VDH article to my closest of kin.  Under Trump, there is only a chance of saving a part of what we love about this country.  Under HRC, there isn't.  We head further in the wrong direction to where we  never come back.  

Trump needs to pivot away from the personal defects of both candidates and POUNCE on to direction of the country - where wrong track leads by a two to one margin.  One set of policies enhances economic growth, helping all.  The other set of policies prevents growth, hurts all.  One set of policies makes America strong on the world stage, deters enemies.  The other approach, weak America, makes us less safe.  One judicial philosophy honors the constitution and the limits on government.  The other makes a mockery of the constitution.  

Choose on direction of the country, not on the personalities and flaws in the candidates.
135  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / we should vote for Hill because Putin "fears" her ?? on: October 17, 2016, 09:46:09 AM
'we should vote for Hill because Putin "fears" her'

I'm not sure what WikiLeaks has to do with Russia, nor is she, nor is Putin, but the answer to all questions related to leaked emails that we should have had anyway is pivot to Russia.

But pivot to Russia is a pivot to her own weaknesses and ineptitude, and Obamas'.

A little misunderstanding over a big red button.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/03/06/clinton-reset-button-gift-to-russian-fm-gets-lost-in-translation/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/06/clinton-goofs-russian-translation-tells-diplomat-wants-overcharge-ties.html
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/03/03/remember-hillarys-russian-reset-button-guess-where-she-got-it/

Democratic governance:
Tell Vladimir I'll have more flexibility after my reelection.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/9167332/Barack-Obama-microphone-gaffe-Ill-have-more-flexibility-after-election.html

Who needs checks and balances.

136  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential, Iowahawk, the choice... on: October 17, 2016, 08:29:11 AM
“A team of 7 people editing your tweets is God’s way of telling you you shouldn’t be president of the United States
Iowahawk:  “your choice is between someone who tweets like an idiot and someone who requires a small army of editors to avoid tweeting like an idiot.”
137  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / VDH today, Case.for Trump on: October 17, 2016, 08:18:52 AM
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/441126/donald-trump-conservatives-should-vote-president

Read it all.

by VICTOR DAVIS HANSON   October 17, 2016 4:00 AM  Conservatives should vote for the Republican nominee.   

Donald Trump needs a unified Republican party in the homestretch if he is to have any chance left of catching Hillary Clinton — along with winning higher percentages of the college-educated and women than currently support him. But even before the latest revelations from an eleven-year-old Access Hollywood tape, in which Trump crudely talked about women, he had long ago in the primaries gratuitously insulted his more moderate rivals and their supporters. He bragged about his lone-wolf candidacy and claimed that his polls were — and would be — always tremendous — contrary to his present deprecation of them. Is it all that surprising that some in his party and some independents, who felt offended, swear that they will not stoop to vote for him when in extremis he now needs them? Or that party stalwarts protest that they no longer wish to be associated with a malodorous albatross hung around their neck?

That question of payback gains importance if the race in the last weeks once again narrows. Trump had by mid September recaptured many of the constituencies that once put John McCain and Mitt Romney within striking distance of Barack Obama. And because Trump has apparently brought back to the Republican cause millions of the old Reagan Democrats, various tea-partiers, and the working classes, and since Hillary Clinton is a far weaker candidate than was Barack Obama, in theory he should have had a better shot to win the popular vote than has any Republican candidate since incumbent president George W. Bush in 2004.

What has always been missing to end the long public career of Hillary Clinton is a four- or five-percentage-point boost from a mélange of the so-called Never Trump Republicans, as well as women and suburban, college-educated independents. Winning back some of these critics could translate into a one- or two-point lead over Clinton in critical swing states.

Those who are soured on Trump certainly can cite lots of understandable reasons for their distaste — well beyond his sometimes grating reality-television personality. In over-dramatic fashion, some Against Trumpers invoke William F. Buckley Jr.’s ostracism of John Birchers from conservative circles as a model for dealing with perceived Trump vulgarity. He is damned as an opportunistic chameleon, not a true conservative. Trump’s personal and professional life has been lurid — as, again, we were reminded by the media-inspired release of a hot-mic tape of past Trump crude sexual braggadocio. The long campaigning has confirmed Trump as often uncouth — insensitive to women and minorities. He has never held office. His ignorance of politics often embarrasses those in foreign- and domestic-policy circles. Trump’s temperament is mercurial, especially in its ego-driven obsessions with slights to his business ethics and acumen. He wins back supporters by temporary bouts of steadiness as his polls surge, only to alienate them again with crazy nocturnal tweets and off-topic rants — as his popularity then again dips. He seems to battle as much with GOP stalwarts as Clintonites, often, to be fair, in retaliation rather than in preemptory fashion.

All these flaws earned Trump nemesis in his disastrous first debate, which was followed by marked dips in his polls. He seemed not to have prepared for the contest, convinced that he could wing it with his accustomed superlative adjectives and repetitive make-America-great generalities. He so obsessed over Clinton’s baited traps and contrived slights about his commercial reputation and his temperament that he allowed her to denigrate his character with impunity — even as he missed multiple opportunities to chronicle her spiraling scandals and contrast his mostly conservative agenda with her boilerplate, Obama 2.0, “you didn’t build that” neo-socialism. Trump’s second debate performance was far stronger, and stanched his hemorrhaging after the Access Hollywood revelations, but it was not the blow-out needed to recapture the lost momentum of mid September — nor will it yet win over Never Trump Republicans and independent women.

The counterarguments for voting Trump are by now also well known. The daily news — riot, terrorism, scandals, enemies on the move abroad, sluggish growth, and record debt — demands a candidate of change. The vote is not for purity of conservative thought, but for the candidate who is preferable to the alternative — and is also a somewhat rough form of adherence to the pragmatic Buckley dictate to prefer the most conservative candidate who can win. The issue, then, at this late date is not necessarily Trump per se, but the fact that he will bring into power far more conservatives than would Hillary Clinton. No one has made a successful argument to challenge that reality.

Nor is the election a choice even between four more years of liberalism and a return of conservatism; it’s an effort to halt the fundamental transformation of the country. A likely two-term Clinton presidency would complete a 16-year institutionalization of serial progressive abuse of the Constitution, outdoing even the twelve years of the imperial Roosevelt administration. The WikiLeaks revelations suggest an emboldened Hillary Clinton, who feels that a 2016 victory will reify her utopian dreams of a new intercontinental America of open borders and open markets, from Chile to Alaska, in the manner of the European Union expanse from the Aegean to the Baltic.

Conservatives who sit out the election de facto vote for Clinton, in the manner that Sanders’s liberal supporters, should they stay home, become votes for Trump. Oddly, renegade Democrats seem more eager to return to their fold than do their louder Republican counterparts. The idealist Bernie Sanders is not nearly as bothered by WikiLeaks and other hacked revelations of how Hillary Clinton sabotaged his campaign, cozied up to big banks, and admitted to talking progressively while in reality serving Wall Street, as are Republicans by Trump’s potty mouth. Yet in a veritable two-person race, the idea of expressing positive neutrality, to paraphrase the Indian statesman V. K. Krishna Menon, is to suppose that tigers can be vegetarians.

The tu quoque argument suggests that Trump’s rhetorical excesses — media obsessions aside — are unfortunately not all that different from those of Obama and Hillary about the “clingers” and the “deplorables.” Name a Trump cruelty or idiocy — unfamiliarity with the political discourse, ethnic insensitivity, cluelessness about the world abroad — and parallels abound, from Obama’s mispronunciation of “corpsman” as “corpse-man,” his mocking of the Special Olympics, and his remark about “punish[ing] our enemies” to Hillary’s statement that believing David Petraeus and Ryan Crocker required a “suspension of disbelief,” her “what difference does it make?” glibness about the Benghazi attack, and her past pandering to “white Americans.” And these Democrats’ frauds — from the Tony Rezko sweetheart lot deal with Obama to Hillary’s $100,000 profiteering in cattle futures — are even more banal grifting than Trump steaks and Trump vodka.

Had anyone else in government set up a private e-mail server, sent and received classified information on it, deleted over 30,000 e-mails, ordered subordinates to circumvent court and congressional orders to produce documents, and serially and publicly lied to the American people about the scandal, that person would surely be in jail. The Clinton Foundation is like no other president-sponsored nonprofit enterprise in recent memory — offering a clearing house for Clinton-family jet travel and sinecures for Clintonite operatives between Clinton elections. Hillary Clinton allotted chunks of her time as secretary of state to the largest Clinton Foundation donors. Almost every assistant whom she has suborned has taken the Fifth Amendment, in Lois Lerner fashion. The problems with Trump University are dwarfed by for-profit Laureate University, whose “Chancellor,” Bill Clinton, garnered $17.6 million in fees from the college and its affiliates over five years — often by cementing the often financially troubled international enterprise’s relationship with Hillary Clinton’s State Department. Collate what Hillary Clinton in the past has said about victims of Bill Clinton’s alleged sexual assaults, or reread some of the racier sections of Dreams From My Father, and it is hard to argue that Trump is beyond the pale in terms of contemporary culture.

Trump’s defeat would translate into continued political subversion of once disinterested federal agencies, from the FBI and Justice Department to the IRS and the EPA. It would ensure a liberal Supreme Court for the next 20 years — or more. Republicans would be lucky to hold the Senate. Obama’s unconstitutional executive overreach would be the model for Hillary’s second wave of pen-and-phone executive orders. If, in Obama fashion, the debt doubled again in eight years, we would be in hock $40 trillion after paying for Hillary’s even more grandiose entitlements of free college tuition, student-loan debt relief, and open borders. She has already talked of upping income and estate taxes on those far less wealthy than the Clintons and of putting coal miners out of work (“We are going to put a whole lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business”) while promising more Solyndra-like ventures in failed crony capitalism.

We worry about what Citizen Trump did in the past in the private sector and fret more over what he might do as commander-in-chief. But these legitimate anxieties remain in the subjunctive mood; they are not facts in the indicative gleaned from Clinton’s long public record. As voters, we can only compare the respective Clinton and Trump published agendas on illegal immigration, taxes, regulation, defense spending, the Affordable Care Act, abortion, and other social issues to conclude that Trump’s platform is the far more conservative — and a rebuke of the last eight years. There is a reason the politicized media — from biased debate moderators to New York Times reporters who seek to pass muster in the Clinton team’s eyes before publishing their puff pieces — have gone haywire over Trump.

Contrary to popular anger against them, Never Trump conservative op-ed writers and wayward Republican insiders do not have much direct influence in keeping Trump’s party support down. Indeed, even after the latest gaffes, it creeps back up even as he is alienating women and the suburbs. The problem is more nuanced. Never Trump conservative grandees help flesh out the Clinton narrative of a toxic Trump that is then translated through ads, quotes, and sound bites to more numerous fence-sitting independents and women: Why should they vote for a purported extremist whom even the notables of the conservative movement and Republican party cannot stomach?

In an election with flawed candidates, balance is a legitimate question: Why didn’t The New Republic or the Huffington Post run an “Against Clinton” special issue? Certainly, she was dishonest enough to warrant such opprobrium from among a few of her own — given her prior treatment of Bill Clinton’s likely victims of sexual assault. Her endangerment of national security through use of her private server, the utter corruption of the Clinton Foundation and indeed the office of secretary of state, and her serial lies, from claiming to have braved sniper fire in Bosnia to misleading the families of the Benghazi fallen amid the caskets of their dead, make her unfit for the presidency.

In this low-bar presidential race, why do conservative establishmentarians and past foreign-policy officials feel a need to publish their support for the Democratic candidate, when their liberal counterparts feel no such urge to distance themselves from their own nominee? Is what Clinton actually did, in leaving Iraq abruptly, or lying about Benghazi, or violating federal security laws, so much less alarming than what Trump might do in shaking up NATO or “bombing the hell out of ISIS”? Trump’s platform is the far more conservative — and a rebuke of the last eight years.

Have such conservative self-auditing and Marquess of Queensberry restraint paid dividends in the past? Would it have been worth it for John McCain to go after Obama’s personal mentor and pastor, the racist, anti-American, and anti-Semitic Reverend Jeremiah Wright, in 2008, to preempt an agenda that led to the passage of the Affordable Care Act? Or, in the second presidential debate of 2012, should Romney have, in Reaganesque fashion, grabbed the hijacked mic back from the moderator and “fact-checker” Candy Crowley, if that dramatic act might have meant his election would have warded off the looming Iran deal? Was losing nobly in 2008 and 2012 preferable to winning ugly with Lee Atwater in 1988?

All the Republican primary candidates, in fear of a third-party Trump bid, swore an oath to support the nominee. When Jeb Bush or Carly Fiorina, even if for understandable reasons, broke that promise, they reinforced the unspoken admission that the Republican field — despite impressive résumés — operated on politics-as-usual principles. Trump won not only fair and square but also with a larger aggregate vote than any prior Republican nominee. Moreover, the Trump constituencies for the most part loyally voted in 2008 and 2012 for Republican moderates who they presciently feared were malleable on many conservative issues and who they rightly guessed would probably lose.

Trumpism was no fluke. During the primaries, a solid conservative governor, Scott Walker, at times seemed a deer in the headlights on illegal immigration. A charismatic Marco Rubio fell into robotic recitations of boilerplate. A decent Jeb Bush’s characterization of illegal immigration as “an act of love” was no gaffe but seemed a window into his own privilege. Multi-talented Ted Cruz convinced few that he was the elder Cato. Rand Paul reminded us why we would not vote for Ron Paul. Bobby Jindal and Rick Perry demonstrated how successful governors might not inspire the country. Chris Christie played the bully boy one too many times. The inspired outsiders, Carly Fiorina and Ben Carson, never quite got beyond being inspired outsiders. Campaigning is like war: It often involves a tragic correction to early mistaken appraisals of relative strength and weakness formed in calmer times. Casualties pile up to prove what should have been known but went unrecognized before blows fell: in this case, that in his energetic harnessing of popular anger, Trump, my own least favorite in the field, was the more effective candidate in gauging the mood of the times.

These are all valid rejoinders to those who say that recalcitrant conservatives, independents, and women should not hold their nose and vote for Trump. But they are not the chief considerations in his favor.

Something has gone terribly wrong with the Republican party, and it has nothing to do with the flaws of Donald Trump. Something like his tone and message would have to be invented if he did not exist. None of the other 16 primary candidates — the great majority of whom had far greater political expertise, more even temperaments, and more knowledge of issues than did Trump — shared Trump’s sense of outrage — or his ability to convey it — over what was wrong: The lives and concerns of the Republican establishment in the media and government no longer resembled those of half their supporters.

The Beltway establishment grew more concerned about their sinecures in government and the media than about showing urgency in stopping Obamaism. When the Voz de Aztlan and the Wall Street Journal often share the same position on illegal immigration, or when Republicans of the Gang of Eight are as likely as their left-wing associates to disparage those who want federal immigration law enforced, the proverbial conservative masses feel they have lost their representation. How, under a supposedly obstructive, conservative-controlled House and Senate, did we reach $20 trillion in debt, institutionalize sanctuary cities, and put ourselves on track to a Navy of World War I size? Compared with all that, “making Mexico pay” for the wall does not seem all that radical. Under a Trump presidency the owner of Univision would not be stealthily writing, as he did to Team Clinton, to press harder for open borders — and thus the continuance of a permanent and profitable viewership of non-English speakers. Trump’s outrageousness was not really new; it was more a 360-degree mirror of an already outrageous politics as usual.

One does not need lectures about conservatism from Edmund Burke when, at the neighborhood school, English becomes a second language, or when one is rammed by a hit-and-run driver illegally in the United States who flees the scene of the accident. Do our elites ever enter their offices to find their opinion-journalism jobs outsourced at half the cost to writers in India? Are congressional staffers told to move to Alabama, where it is cheaper to telecommunicate their business? Trump’s outrageousness was not really new; it was more a 360-degree mirror of an already outrageous politics as usual.

John Boehner and Mitch McConnell did make a good case that they had stopped some of the Obama agenda and could not have halted more, given that Republicans did not have the White House and Obama often exceeded his constitutional mandates. But they hardly provided emotional energy and vehement opposition — the thumos that galvanizes others to do things deemed improbable. Tea-party rallying cries to stop Obamacare, to stop piling up trillions in new debt, to stop slashing the military, and to stop disparaging working-class Americans mostly in favor of preferred racial, class, or gender groups were not inspired by the Republican elite. The WikiLeaks peek into the Clinton-Obama media Borg reveals an insidious corruption in which it is hard to distinguish between campaign officials, network-journalist grandees, and top-level bureaucrats. Colin Powell’s pathetic hacked e-mails might suggest that such insidiousness is not just confined to liberals and progressives.

“Creative destruction” and “job mobility” are favorite — and often correct — nostrums for the unfortunate downsides of otherwise wealth-creating, unfettered trade. The more foreign products undercut our own, in theory, the more we are forced to tone up, put the right workers into the right places for the right reasons, and become ever more productive and competitive.

The problem, however, is that a displaced real person, unemployed and living with his 80-year-old grandmother in a financially underwater and unsellable home, cannot easily move to the North Dakota fracking fields, any more than the destruction of an 80-acre small-farming operation owing to foreign agricultural subsidies is in any way “creative.” What we needed from our conservative elites and moderates was not necessarily less free-market economics, but fair in addition to free trade — and at least some compassion and sensitivity in recognizing that their bromides usually applied to others rather than to themselves and the political class of both parties.

When Trump shoots off his blunderbuss, is it always proof of laziness and ignorance, or is it sometimes generally aimed in the right direction to prompt anxiety and eventual necessary reconsideration? Questioning NATO’s pro forma way of doing business led to furor, but also to renewed promises from NATO allies to fight terror, pony up defense funds, and coordinate more effectively. Deploring unfair trade deals suddenly made Hillary Clinton renounce her prior zealous support of the “gold standard” Trans-Pacific Partnership deal.

Wondering whether some of our Asian allies might someday build nuclear weapons galvanized Japan and South Korea to step up and warn North Korea against further aggressive acts, in a new fashion. In Europe, Trump is said to be unpredictable and volatile. But since when are predictability and serenity always advantages in global poker?

A President Trump might shake up U.S. foreign policy in controversial and not always polite ways. In far calmer fashion, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton already has revolutionized America’s role overseas — from the Iraq pullout to the foundations of the Iran deal to lead-from-behind Libyan bombing to tiptoeing around “violent extremism” and “workplace violence” to empowering Chinese expansionism to increasing distance from allies and proximity to enemies. Obama reminded us that approval from abroad is usually synonymous with thanks for weakening America and making us more like them than them us. Should we be more terrified that the socialist and largely pacifist European Union is afraid of Trump, or that it welcomes even more of Barack Obama’s type of leadership? Is not the present course of projecting weakness while insulting Vladimir Putin — the Russian reset of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama — the inverse of speaking softly while carrying a big stick?

The ancient idea of tragic irony can sometimes be described as an outcome unfortunately contrary to what should have been expected. Many of us did not vote in the primaries for Trump, because we did not believe that he was sufficiently conservative or, given his polarizing demeanor, that he could win the presidency even if he were. The irony is now upon us that Trump may have been the most conservative Republican candidate who still could beat Hillary Clinton — and that if he were to win, he might usher in the most conservative Congress, presidency, and Supreme Court in nearly a century.

 — Victor Davis Hanson is a classicist and historian at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/441126/donald-trump-conservatives-should-vote-president
138  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Clinton Sent Intelligence Info To Podesta’s Hacked Email Account on: October 15, 2016, 01:32:21 PM
http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/13/wikileaks-clinton-sent-intelligence-info-to-podestas-hacked-email-account/?utm_source=WhatCountsEmail&utm_medium=ICYMI%20-%20Media%20-%20Conservative&utm_campaign=ICYMI%20-%20National%20Security

Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton sent a lengthy Middle East intelligence breakdown in an email to longtime ally and lobbyist John Podesta while he was working in the White House.

“With all of its tragic aspects, the advance of ISIL through Iraq gives the U.S. Government an opportunity to change the way it deals with the chaotic security situation in North Africa and the Middle East,” Clinton wrote to Podesta in an August 2014 email obtained by WikiLeaks.

Clinton’s email, sent from a private account she began using after leaving the Department of State, gives Podesta a breakdown of the political situation in the Middle East following the rise of the Islamic State. Clinton says her email and advice is based on various intelligence sources.

“Note: Sources include Western intelligence, US intelligence and sources in the region,” Clinton wrote.
139  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / What Erdogan’s Pivot to Putin Means, WALTER RUSSELL MEAD on: October 15, 2016, 01:27:05 PM
http://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/10/14/what-erdogans-pivot-to-putin-means/

Obama handling of Syria continues to become more incoherent and more damaging to American interests. Putin has not only, thanks to White House dithering and irresolution, managed to reinsert Russia into Middle East politics in a spoiler role and his gains have not just included a deepening and commercially beneficial relationship with Iran and the weakening of the European Union and Merkel’s leadership in it over the refugee issue; he has also, thanks to the incoherence of American policy, managed to drive a thick wedge into NATO by further alienating Turkey from the West and, especially Washington.

As for what a naive and vainglorious President Obama once (back in those days when he collected Nobel Peace Prizes and was hailed as the second coming of Abraham Lincoln by a clueless and infatuated press corps) identified as a central goal of his foreign policy—the reconciliation of America with the Muslim world—his callous abandonment of the Syrian Sunnis to their increasingly genocidal foes has done as much, if not more, to tarnish America’s reputation among Sunni Arabs than anything any of his predecessors managed to do going back to Harry Truman.

The issues in Syria are difficult and the alternatives are few, but President Obama’s Syria policy is one of the shabbiest and sorriest displays of serial ineptitude that has unfolded in world politics in all these many years. That his emissaries and representatives attempt to cover the nakedness of their policy with grandiose rhetorical denunciation of the crimes that Obama’s incompetence has enabled merely underscores the horrifying moral and political emptiness of the President’s approach to world politics.
140  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Government programs & regulations, spending, deficit, and budget process on: October 15, 2016, 12:57:57 PM
"I wonder if the growth surge coming from government 'investments' in solar Solyndra, Cash for Clunkers and Shovel Ready Projects never materialized..."

Hill wants to make us a clean energy power house.

millions and millions of solar panels and windmills on every square meter of land "might" actually do it.  

Paraphrasing Milton Friedman on government 'investments', investments that don't pay for themselves aren't worth making.  If these ideas make economic sense they don't need public subsidy in a free economy.

Also, there is the duck curve, we need far more energy produced at some times as compared with others:
http://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=1096.msg97479#msg97479
http://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=1096.msg97507#msg97507


Investing more in wind and solar provides more energy only during the times of the day and year when there is wind and solar, leaving even bigger gaps to fill during the other times.

It was fracking, a private sector program, that reduced our CO2 emissions.  Natural gas is close to 40% cleaner with carbon than coal.  Nuclear is the cleanest with carbon emissions at zero but scales up and down with the above demand curve the worst.   No one has fully thought this through, which is surprising when the proposal is always to move to a centrally planned economy.
141  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential on: October 15, 2016, 12:48:06 PM
Yet more than 50% are satisfied/approve with/of Obama ?

This is a real problem in the dynamic of the race, in addition to the problems with the change candidate.  But maybe that polled approval is personal to Obama and not transferable to his chosen successor.

Here is another measure of the same question:

Right Direction  30.4
Wrong Track     63.6
Spread            -33.2
RCP Average as of today
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/direction_of_country-902.html

If wrong track out-polls right direction by more than two to one and one candidate clearly represents more of the same, there is a mile-wide opening for a challenger to drive through even with today's electorate where half the people have below average intelligence.
142  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Cognitive Dissonance of the left, the Obama deficits are eternally 'bearable' on: October 15, 2016, 12:37:54 PM
"Now, the Congressional Budget Office is predicting deficits will, more or less, remain in the $600 billion range for the next several years. Those are eye-popping numbers to the average person, but they represent about 3 percent of the size of the economy, a level many economists say is bearable."
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article108285582.html#storylink=cpy

Deficit spending rate is twice the (artificial) 'growth' rate.  (What growth?) 

Deficits in a stable environment don't remain in that range when the wheels fall off. 

Under these economic policies, this is the new full employment.  Growth cannot happen without growing our capital base or workforce.  Without a change of policies it only gets worse.  Revenues stopped climbing; spending keeps increasing, and virtually none of it went toward rebuilding our infrastructure or modernizing our military.

The debt doubles in one Presidency, more accumulated deficits than the first 43 Presidents combined.  And the proposal going forward is MORE OF THE SAME. Best case.  As national healthcare and every other HRC program builds and the private sector diminishes, the real trend is to see national debt hit $40 trillion in 8 years.  That is assuming a continuing plowhorse economy, and not the financial and economic collapse that is far more likely.
143  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Donald Trump was a Democrat then. on: October 15, 2016, 12:22:53 PM
A defense he can't use, but didn't all of Donald Trump's alleged bad talk and bad behavior happen back when he was a Democrat?

When they ask, have you changed, the answer should be yes.  Democrats, everyone knows, are held to a lower standard.  He should argue they hold him to the Bill Clinton standard for the 10 and 30 years ago stuff and only to the higher, Republican standard going forward.
144  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Government programs, spending, deficit, budget, deficit up 34% in a recovery on: October 15, 2016, 12:17:37 PM
Associated Press WASHINGTON

"The government ran a $587 billion budget deficit for the just-completed fiscal year, a 34 percent spike over last year after significant improvement from the record deficits of President Barack Obama's first years in office."

"the government is borrowing 15 cents of every dollar it spends. Government spending went up almost 5 percent to $3.9 trillion in fiscal 2016, but revenues stayed flat at $3.3 trillion".  (No they didn't; revenues went down a smidgen.)

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article108285582.html#storylink=cpy
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Republican House.  Republican Senate.  No tax increases repealed.  No programs de-funded.  Not because they agree with Obama and his priorities but because they, the Republican establishment in Washington, wanted to make no waves in order to take back the White House in 2016.  How is that strategy working out for them?

I wonder if the growth surge coming from government 'investments' in solar Solyndra, Cash for Clunkers and Shovel Ready Projects never materialized...

Can someone name the nations that created great prosperity by having the government eat up the private sector?  Or the places around the world and throughout history that expanded prosperity by limiting personal economic freedom?  Once again, who could have know this would backfire?
145  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Tax Policy, Tax rate increases yield virtually no revenue increase on: October 15, 2016, 12:00:39 PM
I'm real sick of trying to point out what virtually no one in power is capable of learning.  ObamaCare had two dozen tax increases in it.  'We' ended 'Bush tax cuts for the wealthy', meaning we raised tax rates.  We, meaning Obama and the Democrats, increased the estate tax rate by infinity-fold.  We, meaning the US, have the highest corporate tax rates in the world, especially in NY, CA and MN to name a few overtaxed places.  We should be raking in the revenue.

Meanwhile:

"After adjusting for inflation, the amount of taxes collected by the federal government in fiscal year 2016 is slightly lower than the $3.3 trillion the government collected in fiscal year 2015".
(http://freebeacon.com/issues/government-collects-3-27-trillion-taxes-fiscal-year-2016/)

Higher rates didn't bring in higher revenues. 

Who fucking knew?!

The deficit went back up by 34% IN THE MIDDLE OF A "RECOVERY".  (Or is it the tail end of a 'recovery'?

If economics is a science, aren't these static analysis advocates like Obama, Hillary and every Democrat-run 'fact check' site DENIERS OF SCIENCE?? ?? ?? ?? !!
146  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential on: October 10, 2016, 02:42:49 PM
Regarding the 'lewd tape', one thing that seems to be overlooked is that it was Hillary's camp I believe that brought this into the public view - so that she could tell you to keep your young boys and girls away from the debate.  The electorate knew he has made comments about women, breast sizes etc.  Certainly it makes it worse to hear this including non-consensual allusions, but if she wanted the debate to be on the issues, she could have made her attacks on the issues.  They have been publicly offering rewards for coming up with material like this.  I expect more.  It's still early (October).

In the debate, Trump fought her to a draw.  Proved he offers a serious alternative to governing.  Proved that electing Hillary and the Clinton's in a binary election is no sure way to make the White House squeaky clean and free of debauchery. 

On the HRC side, it has always been said that the more people get to see her, the less they like her.  Trump has attached her to the status quo and is actively attacking the quality of the status quo on economic and foreign policy arguments.  She likely will still lead as this latest scandal and debate settle, but her numbers everywhere are consistently well under 50%.

Stated earlier on the forum, oddly it was Democrats, liberals and Clinton defenders that argued loudly that personal conduct has no relevance to the office of the Presidency.  I may disagree and argued long and hard for Republicans to choose someone else before this surfaced, but at this point, what choice do we have?

Holier than thou Republicans, purists, Rinos and establishment types better get back on track fairly soon.  This election will have consequences.
147  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential, VP Debate, Mike Pence, Tim Kaine on: October 07, 2016, 12:41:32 PM
(A little late to this as a post disappeared in my computer...)

VP choices are supposed to bring you no votes.  Mike Pence may be the exception.  He warms Trump to the middle and firms up the base a little.  I have been speaking highly of Pence since before the entire election cycle and spoke highly of Pence when Trump chose him.  Pence made me proud in this debate.  He projects a lot of good qualities, looks calm, ready and Presidential.  He helps firm up conservative voters for Trump, people like me.  No matter what you think of Trump, the pick of Pence shows good judgment to conservatives and gives hope for the American Creed, something that Pence gets.  On the other side of it, Hillary and Kaine offer none of that.  All their proposals are for a government run 'private sector', to run the country with the exact the opposite policies of what worked for her husband.  Implement Chavez-Venezueala policies and expect Reagan-like results.  Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

Pence has experience with a decade in congress, foreign policy experience, and executive experience running a medium sized state.  Under his conservative watch, unemployment was cut in half in Indiana.  Under Tim Kaine's tax and spend tenure, unemployment doubled in Virginia.  Notice that their relative records were not brought up by the co-conspirator moderator or media.  Pence mentioned that once and Kaine let it go by.

As mentioned, Mike Pence is likable to independents and undecideds and he makes conservatism likable to a wider audience.

Kaine was nothing short of annoying throughout the debate with 72 counted interruptions.  Can someone check in this weekend with SNL and see if they picked up on it.  Kaine focused on Trump gaffes' not his policies.  His claim of eternal peace and serenity in Iran was nothing short of astonishing.  He was called out for being scripted and then stayed with the script until everyone but him felt his embarrassment.  I kind of wish they did have an earpiece to the handlers so that someone could have told him to get off it.  The script was very reminiscent of Susan Rice telling on all networks that a video led to an attack.  The world's number one sponsor of terror has given up its long-held nuclear ambition because of the toughness, charm and ingenuity of the former Secretary of State that no one else can see.  What really happened is what Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called, this agreement paves the path for Iran to become a very real nuclear threat.  On top of that, we airlifted them the money.  

In a Presidential tragedy, it would be very easy to see Pence step in, composed and ready to lead the country.

All Pence gained is lost if Trump steps up Sunday with another bad debate of his own.  I look for Trump to show up sharper and readier than he was in the first debate, and the format perhaps favors him.  
148  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / ACTION items, Judicial Watch on: October 01, 2016, 01:39:55 PM
ccp wrote in another thread: 

"Without Judicial Watch this whole thing would have received a blind eye."

If a person had a dollar and wanted to make a difference, Judicial Watch is the organization that perhaps has done the most good to expose corruption and scandal in government.

'Judicial Watch is a 501(c)(3) charitable organization, and contributions are tax-deductible for income, gift, and estate taxes.'
http://www.judicialwatch.org/about/support-judicial-watch/

If we can't win we can at least make a corrupt President Hillary's life miserable.
149  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Libertarian and Green candidates on: September 29, 2016, 12:18:26 PM
Definitely not voting for Johnson. I've gone back and forth on this a few times... Trump started asking Hillary some hard questions yesterday in Iowa and Wisconsin.

Johnson can't name a foreign head of state that he admires. Dude... He could have said the Dalai Lama and no one would have questioned him at all.

Some of us I think could have said Benjamin Netanyahu.  Doubtful that Johnson agrees with that, since being lax on defense is a main stance of his. He could have said Narendra Modi and pivoted to India, or the guy who ended agriculture subsidies in New Zealand.  How do you beg to be included in prime time debates and then not try to learn 6 or 8 names from around the world?

Maybe he has some short term memory loss...

Johnson couldn't say whether US involvement in WWII was wrong. 

Maybe he has cognitive issues as well.
150  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Survivalist, Prepper/prepping issues on: September 29, 2016, 10:49:17 AM
Correction to my own post: I wrote "brown" bears.  I meant "black" bears are good climbers.

With a black bear, hide quietly behind an apple tree and hope he stops for the apples.   Grizzly and polar bears are scary creatures.  You have a better chance out-swimming a Greenland shark (top speed 1.5 mph).  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_shark

Bear spray is available at outdoor stores.  Very nasty stuff.  Too late if you're reading this and the bear is already charging you.  I saw a self defense ad one time saying that 'mace is nice if you have one attacker.  For an ally full of attackers try bear spray'.  https://www.walmart.com/ip/Frontersman-Bear-Spray-9.7oz/21684332 
Be careful with wind direction...   
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