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3851  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Benghazi and related matters on: March 13, 2013, 12:17:20 AM
"Still waiting on the Stevens autopsy report"


Interesting point made by one of the talk pundits:  Do you notice what President Obama and then-Sec. of State Hillary Clinton both call the deceased ambassador?

Not Mr. Stevens, not Ambassador Stevens, never Ambassador Christopher Stevens.  They call him Chris.  First name only.  Buddy to buddy.  Nobody knew him better, except maybe his wife and kids.  Barack and Hillary, I wonder if he called them by their first names too.  Closest of friends, probably would be golfing together right now if he was around.

Yet 'Chris' couldn't get a message about security through to either one of them over a period of many months to save his life.
3852  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: US Economics, the stock market , and other investment/savings strategies on: March 12, 2013, 11:49:16 PM
Well, I'd be damn near 100% ahead of where I am now if I hadn't listened to me , , ,

Hindsight not being 20/20...

If you knew in advance 4 years ago that the growth rate coming out of the worst economy in memory would be 0.8% dropping to 0.1% in the last quarter, if you knew Europe would be in near collapse, if you knew we would leave two wars without real victory, that we would be under heavy cyber-attacks from China who is still supporting North Korea while they go nuclear and threaten to hit America, if you knew Russia would return to a Soviet-like stance, with Putin stronger than Brezhnev and Obama more eager than Carter to give away American defense, if you knew of the unrest in nuclear armed Pakistan and that Iran was a minute away from going nuclear too, the Muslim Brotherhood running Egypt, civil war in Syria, if you knew we would get hit with another deadly embassy attack this time in Libya, if you knew the trillion dollar deficits would go on for 4 years and counting, that we wouldn't even sell bonds to cover our debt, workers leaving the labor force exceed all new jobs coming back and that the Fed would be diluting our dollar by trillions, that U6 unemployment figured at the old labor participation rate would be 20%, that Obama would be reelected and taxes would be raised on the rich and the poor...

If you knew all that, except for the rise in the Dow, perfectly in hindsight, would you have gone all-in to the stock market?  

If you add to the above that the Dow has already gone up for all this time yet we still have all this hanging over us plus Obamacare kicking in, steep tax hikes in largest state, amnesty next, and the lowest business startup rate in our history, would you go all in now?

Or would a rational person be a little bit skeptical?

3853  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: US Economics, the stock market , and other investment/savings strategies on: March 12, 2013, 10:55:12 PM
"then it should handle spending restraint"
Umm , , , in that we are not Keynesians here, may I suggest that the budget cuts are a contributory cause to the market going up?

Poorly expressed in my post, but I strongly agree.  If the market survived the bad things that happened, it can handle the good like a surprising dose of govt spending restraint.
3854  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2 on KY, Judd on: March 12, 2013, 04:37:41 PM

Thanks Bigdog.  This link: http://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/how-ashley-judd-can-win tells 'How Ashley Judd Can Win', but they compare what she needs to do in conservative Kentucky with what Al Franken did to win his 0.0% victory in liberal Minnesota.  Franken was actually to the right of Obama and his fellow Dem.  Senator Amy Klobuchar.

Ashley Judd is cute and smart, charismatic I presume.  She is also extremely liberal, perhaps to the left of Obama.  The carpet bagger attacks may get old but the idiological questions will not.

Mitch McConnell comes across old, worn out and has lousy approval numbers.  The challenge for Judd and any Democrat is that there will be serious liberal vs. conservative questions at stake and Romney beat Obama in 2012 in KY by roughly 60-38%.  Conservatives and libertarians tired of McConnell will see Rand Paul at his side with his own national reputation on the line trying to deliver a Republican victory in his home state. 

Based on the analysis in BD's second link, tying Dems nationally to some of her statements and tying Democrats in KY to the Obama agenda, I hope she runs.
3855  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: US Economics, the stock market , and other investment/savings strategies on: March 12, 2013, 03:58:48 PM
My stellar opinion of Wesbury keeps slipping:  "Real GDP increased just 0.1% in Q4 2012".   - A steady trot?  Not really.

"jobless rate slipping to 7.7%":    - More people left the workforce than found jobs.

The labor force participation decline is largely demographic?  Okay, then what positive force offsets that?

"Stocks have surged with the S&P 500 hitting our year-end 2012 forecast of 1475 just two weeks behind schedule, in mid-January."     - From this thread: If you bought gold instead of Dow Jones stocks at the start of year 2000, you could keep 3/4 of your gold and buy the same quantity of the same stocks today with just 1/4 of your gold.  Stocks have surged is a rear view mirror indicator.

He mixes his lipstick-on-a-pig view of the US economy with optimism for the index of global companies.  Hard to draw conclusions from that.  We must admit that if this market held up through the Obama reelection, the fiscal cliff, at least two tax increases on the people own the most stocks, and 0.1% quarterly growth, then it should handle spending restraint and a country coming into spring and summer - until some external shock hits and selling panic ensues.

The market I believe will continue to go up or hold fairly constant - right up until it starts to go down again.   wink

3856  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Gay & Straight on: March 12, 2013, 02:43:48 PM
Also looking forward to discussion on the questions Crafty posed.

Happily married people ask how the gay marriage issue could possibly affect their marriage.  Obj's proposal illuminates that.  First we define marriage to not mean marriage, then make it unrecognized altogether.

The federal government is already shifting to parent-one, parent-two designations, removing recognition of basic natural phenomena like mother and father as fast as they can.  Why only two parents or spouses, politicians and bureaucrats only know.

Like Barack Obama, my own thinking has evolved.  Somewhere between 2 and 3% of people are gay.  Condemnation of that is not helpful.  Everyone has the right of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. 

Denying the unique relationship of a man and a woman becoming husband and wife is not helpful either.  Nor is dropping a societal preference that a child have a mother and a father in love, married and living under one roof whenever possible.
3857  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Political Economics: VDH, How to weaken an economy... on: March 12, 2013, 11:30:20 AM
I have tried hard to describe how the principles of supply side economics center around all the things we can logically do to grow a healthy economy.  To that, people yawn and move on.  Perhaps more persuasive is the opposite - identify all the things you could do to weaken a healthy economy, then look at the anti-growth and prosperity agenda being implemented here in the U.S.

http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/how-to-weaken-an-economy/?singlepage=true

How to Weaken an Economy   by Victor Davis Hanson

...there are plenty of ways to slow down even an inherently strong economy. History offers plenty of examples. But as more contemporary models, take your pick of successfully ruined economies — the Venezuelan, the Cuban, the North Korean, the Greek, the Italian, the Portuguese, or pretty much any from Mediterranean Africa to the Cape of Good Hope. There are certain commonalities about why and how they fail. Let’s review some of them.

Government

The state can never be too big. Ensure that it is unaccountable and intrusive, in constant need of more money and more targets to regulate. The more government, the more people are shielded from the capital-creating, free-market system. Think the DMV or TSA, not Apple. The point is for an employee to spend each labor hour with less oversight, while regulating or hampering profit-making, rather than competing with like kind to create material wealth. Regulatory bodies are a two-fer: the more federal, union employees, the more regulations to hamper the private sector. The more federal mandates, like new health-care requirements and financial reporting, the less employers profit and the fewer employees they can hire. Washington should be a growth city, absolutely immune from the downturn elsewhere, a sort of huge and growing octopus head with decaying tentacles. State jobs should be redefined as something partisan — whose expansion is noble and helps the helpless, and whose contraction is evil and the design of a bitter and aging white private-sector class.

On the other end of the equation, ensuring 50 million on food stamps, putting over 80,000 a month on Social Security disability insurance, and extending unemployment insurance to tens of millions all remind the jobless that life is not too bad (thanks to the government), and certainly a lot better than working at a “low-paid” job that equates to giving up federal support. To paraphrase Paul Krugman, the more and the longer the jobless receive, the less likely they are to take chances looking for a job. That too might be again a good thing if you wish to slow down the economy. In general, even Arnold Toynbee, a man of the Left, acknowledged that the greedy drive of the scrambling private sector was not as pernicious to civilizations as the collective ennui produced by vast cadres of lethargic and unaccountable public “servants” doing supposedly noble work.

The Law

To ensure capriciousness and unpredictability for both suspect employers and investors, make the law malleable, even unpredictable from day to day, in the style of an Argentina or Venezuela. Redefine the law as what is deemed socially useful. For federally subsidized bankrupt auto companies, creditors should be paid back on the basis not of contractual law, but of nobility — why borrow to give a rich man a return on his superfluous investment, when a retired auto worker might have to pay a higher health care premium? Boeing wants to open a non-union plant in South Carolina? Have the NLRB try to stop it (and illegally staff the NLRB with recess appointments). Illegal aliens? They are neither illegal nor aliens, as federal immigration law is itself a capricious construct. Does the Senate really have to present a budget? Do presidents need to meet budget deadlines? Who said there is a Defense of Marriage Act?

What law says that gays cannot serve overtly in the military or women cannot fight at the front — some reactionary construct? The point is to restore a simulacrum of popular sovereignty: the law is what 51% of the people are perceived by technocrats to want on any given day. I would hammer away at legal fictions like the very idea of borrowing and paying back loans and debts. Soon the popular culture would respond in kind, and run ads constantly on radio, TV, and the Internet in a way rare just a generation ago: how to renegotiate IRS debt, how to renegotiate mortgages, how to renegotiate credit card debt, and how to renegotiate student loan debt.

The man who owes $50,000 has been taken advantage of; the man who is owed $50,000 already has enough without being paid back. The aim is to create a general climate where when one borrows, one does not necessarily have to the pay back the full sum for a variety of legitimate considerations. The more bubbles — housing, student loan, credit card — the more avenues for government intervention and relief. Do all that and perhaps lending itself might slow down, again not a bad thing for our purposes. The debtor, not the lender, is the true American success, as our collective debt underscores.

Cynicism

Don’t forget the value of cynicism in weakening an economy. It is a critical tool in sowing distrust and fatalism, as in “Why try, when it doesn’t matter anyway?” or “Why should I follow the rules, when they don’t?” Greece, for example, is a cynical country to the core and one can see where such endemic distrust got them: a successfully ruined economy.

I would lecture about the evils of federal bailouts to Wall Street fat cats who then take million-dollar bonuses for mediocre performance — and then appoint a Treasury secretary who did just that. I would trash offshore accounts as something amoral and unpatriotic — and then appoint a Treasury secretary who did just that. I would lecture about paying your fair share and hiking taxes — and then appoint a Treasury secretary who avoided paying the income taxes he owed. I would sermonize on the evils of the revolving door — and then appoint as my top financial officials those who for a lifetime have gone into the White House, out to Wall Street, and back into the White House. Again, if “they” do that, why then do “we” need to pay our taxes or follow ethical behavior? The cynical mindset is a valuable tool in recreating a Greece or Italy. Indeed, almost any cynicism is a good thing: so why not praise federal financing of campaigns and then be the first to refuse it, or campaign on the evils of the Bush anti-terrorism protocol and then embrace or expand almost all of it?

Top Down, Not Bottom Up

Leveling must go in one direction, not two.  To ensure equality, the public schools should lower standards so that all are the same. The more who need remediation upon entering college, the more likely the curriculum will have to adjust to level the playing field, and the less skilled will emerge the average graduate. The more that those with “Cadillac” insurance plans can have procedures rationed, the more others will see their own options expanded.

The world is a finite system, a pie with only so many slices. There is no middle class, just rich and poor. For each F student, an A student stole the former’s resources. I would invest not in honor students, but in remedial ones. Grades and test scores should count little for college admission; life “experiences” and community service far better would ensure the presence of mediocre students. The aim again is not to turn out graduates with expertise or knowledge who build a strong economy, but to graduate students, brand them with degrees, and ensure they are invested in a similar ideology of redistribution. If California — of Caltech and Stanford repute — can dumb down its public schools to rank 48th or 49th in the nation in math or English testing, then there is hope for the country at large.

The War of Words

Prosperity is always relative, never absolute. A car, a house, or a job is not to be judged on its own merits, but in comparison to someone else who has one better.  If today’s Kias are better than a Mercedes of 20 years ago, it matters little: they are not as nice as someone else’s Mercedes of today. Britain in the postwar 1940s discovered the power of envy and what it can do to slow down ill-won prosperity.

From Plato to Marx to Tocqueville, philosophical minds, for both good and bad reasons, have always appreciated that human nature is attracted to the idea of enforced equality, to such a degree that most would rather be poor and the same, than better off with some far better off. Let’s give them that chance!

I would try to redefine the entire capitalist notion of profit, getting ahead, and being rich or successful as something arbitrary. Better yet, it should be analogous to cheating, proof of unfairness, or incurring general shame. The point is to make profit-making synonymous with failure; and poverty something inherently noble. Compensation should be seen as capricious, never based on logical requisites like education, knowledge, experience, level of responsibility, hard work, personal comportment, or even the less predictable such as health, luck, fate, and chance. Redefine rich and poor to emphasize the fact that one making $20,000 a year and another $200,000 is unfair, period — and to be corrected by a fair, all-knowing, and compassionate government. I would talk always of poverty and hunger, never of the epidemic of obesity or the nation’s collective youth glued to iPhones.

Sometimes, sloppy language is critical: jumble together “millionaires” with those worth 1,000 times more, and you earn the force-multiplying evil “millionaires and billionaires.” The word “fair” is critical: as in “pay your fair share.” But “patriotic” is even better, as in “unpatriotic” past presidents who run up debt, and “patriotic” present egalitarians who borrow in four years what used to take eight.

I would also redefine entire professions in negative terms: bankers are “fat cats”; the rich “junket” to Las Vegas; CEOs are “corporate jet owners”; doctors lop off limbs and yank out tonsils to pile up profits. Material wealth alone defines us. Mitt Romney is a man with lots of money, a big house with an elevator, a wife with horses. Who cares what he did with the Olympics or as governor?

I could continue, but you get the picture: the point is to slow down the capitalists by making them look over their shoulders, to hamper the grasping small businesses by prepping a psychological battlefield in which the rich deserve higher taxes and regulations to atone for their sins. If lots of those who once made $400,000 a year no longer do, is that not progress? Did they not at last realize that they had made enough money and that it was no longer the time to profit? My goal would be to convince the pizza-parlor owner that after 12 hours on the job, he was taking away money from his noble customers and had a duty to pay more in taxes and cut his profits for those more noble who could not afford his crust. But there would be one exception: fat cats can buy exemption by loudly supporting the president, serving on his jobs council, or investing in green energy. In other words, send the message that getting rich building a Solyndra is noble in a way Exxon is not. A Warren Buffett or George Soros is not a “billionaire” but a “philanthropist,” whose profits are channeled in the right direction. That’s an important message to send if one wants to warp an economy — suggesting that the rich can pay proper homage and thereby win exemption from being culpably rich.

Everywhere a War

The rich/poor dichotomy is valuable, but perhaps not enough in itself to harm the economy. Political stasis is also critical. Think the blues and greens in the hippodrome, fighting over everything from religion and civil service to class, ethnicity, and sports.  And what better way to seed acrimony and to ensure constant bickering than unleashing a series of domestic wars? The camouflaged assault-weapon killers who hide behind the 2nd Amendment are at war with millions of innocent children. Even female celebrities and lawyers are under attack by misogynists and chauvinists, who won’t pay for their birth control. Latinos are targeted by nativists. The latter even hunt them down at ice-cream parlors. Blacks are back to near slavery as racist conservatives want to put them back in chains. Greens battle nobly against the polluters, gays against the homophobes. Muslims are demonized as terrorists by racists and bigots.

The point would be to introduce so many divisive fault lines that no one can much agree on anything — other than a common enemy. Worry over unemployment, slow or nonexistent growth, and massive debt gives way to more pressing issues like gay marriage and banning semi-automatic assault weapons. Distraction is valuable: who cares that the real unemployment rate is way over 10% if  the Keystone pipeline will destroy the Nebraska aquifer or Jim Crow is back on election day? A “jobless recovery” and the “misery index” can become artifacts of a distant era.

Deficits

I would borrow as much money as possible, to the point of making the word “trillion” synonymous with the old “billion,” and “billion” now not more than a mere “million.” On its coins, a fading Rome pressed bronze over a thin silver core; we have done better with the Fed. Think of all the ways in which deficits are good: they spread the wealth through greater entitlements; they eventually require higher taxes from the wealthy; they usually lead to inflation that erodes wrongly accumulated wealth. For every trillion borrowed, there is a greater likelihood that the deserving will receive more federal largess and the undeserving will have to pay for it — and the country itself will slow down and smell the roses. Is it not far preferable for the government to print money than the cumbersome private sector to create it?

Interest

Zero interest is as important as sky-high interest. Thus, 1% on passbook accounts can be as valuable in stalling the economy as 15%. If there is no gain in stored wealth, why seek to store it? If owing is better than being owed, why work to create capital? A good way to ensure inflation is to ensure zero interest. The many who have no money deserve the use of free money and the few who have it have no need to profit from it. Again, if the state employee’s pension pays out more in annual revenue than the multi-millionaire’s passbook account, is not that a distortion worth institutionalizing? The point would be to guide the retiree into real estate, precious metals, or the stock market, anywhere with real risk to beat his .5% passbook return. Or better yet, do away with the idea of the retiree altogether, as the poor fool keeps working to earn what his savings won’t — thereby providing an added benefit of keeping his would-be younger replacements jobless.

Energy

I would try to find a way to discourage private gas and oil production through more regulation and cancellation of projects like the Keystone pipeline: keep the country paying steep import fees and keep it vulnerable to Persian Gulf oil. New technologies like fracking and horizontal drilling are to be declared de facto synonymous with pollution and destroying the environment. How can energy “skyrocket” or gas reach “European levels” — that alone will ensure a cooler planet or government- and union-run mass transit — if freelancers can find hoards of natural gas on land the government can’t touch? I would also borrow billions to subsidize wind and solar power. The more costly the kilowatt, the more expensive energy might slow down human activity and finally stop the rat race.

Success is Failure

Finally, I would double down. The more higher taxes, class warfare, bigger government, borrowing, zero interest, and political stasis began to slow down the economy, the more I would demand more of them all, and declare that the economy is expanding and growing. Again, the key to fine tuning a properly moribund economy is to stay the course — and learn to redefine failure as success.
3858  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Politics of Health Care: Obamacare in a photo on: March 12, 2013, 11:04:50 AM
Nancy Pelosi said that we’d have to pass the bill to find out what’s in it.  Refreshing to hear an honest liberal...

If Congress passes a statute–even one that is 1,600 pages long like Obamacare, but the law can’t go into effect as written, it is not really a law at all.  The simple proof is the photo here that Sen. Mitch McConnell’s office has released, showing the 20,000-plus pages of regulations issued so far for the implementation of Obamacare.  ”Regulation” is just a multi-syllabic word for “law,” after all.  The point is, administrators–the slightly nicer term for “bureaucrats”–now govern us much more than our elected lawmakers do.  (Powerlineblog.com)

Comply with THIS!  Regulations issued SO FAR for the implementation of Obamacare
3859  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Leftist with an honesty problem = cabinet secretary, meet Thomas Perez on: March 12, 2013, 10:54:15 AM
Another perfect fit for the Obama second term cabinet and inner circle:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/07/high-ranking-doj-official-gave-false-testimony-about-voter-intimidation-case.php

High-ranking DOJ official gave false testimony about voter intimidation case

Federal Judge Reggie Walton has found that internal DOJ documents about the New Black Panther Party voter intimidation case “contradict Assistant Attorney General [Thomas] Perez’s testimony that political leadership was not involved in” the decision to dismiss the case. In other words, as Hans Von Spakovsky says, “the sworn testimony of Perez, the Obama political appointee who heads the Civil Rights Division, before the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights was apparently false.”

Judge Walton serves on the United States District Court for the District of Columbia. He has presided over high profile trials including those of Scooter Libby and Roger Clemens.

This particular case was brought by Judicial Watch, which filed a Freedom of Information Act request seeking “documents relating to the DOJ’s decision to dismiss civil claims in the New Black Panther Party case.” According to Judge Walton, the DOJ documents, including emails from former Associate Attorney General Thomas Perrelli (who was the number-two official at DOJ) and former Democratic election lawyer and Deputy Associate Attorney General Sam Hirsch, “revealed that political appointees within DOJ were conferring about the status and resolution of the New Black Panther Party case in the days preceding the DOJ’s dismissal of claims.”

This finding directly contradicts the sworn testimony of Assistant Attorney General Perez. At a hearing before the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights on May 14, 2010, Perez was asked whether “any political leadership [was] involved in the decision not to pursue this particular case.” Perez’s answer, on page 79 of the transcript of that hearing, was an unqualified “No.”

Accordingly, as von Spakovsky concludes, it is clear that Judge Walton was being polite when he said that thre documents and the testimony of Perez are contradictory and “cast doubt on the accuracy” of Perez’s account.

Perez’s conduct should, at a minimum, be the subject of an investigation by the Justice Department’s Office of Professional Responsibility (did Perez violate his ethical and professional obligations as a DOJ attorney) and/or the DOJ inspector general (did Perez violate 18 U.S.C. §1621, which outlaws presenting false statements under oath in official federal proceeding). But don’t hold your breath.

And don’t expect much, if any, any coverage by the mainsteam media which, no doubt, would be howling if a Republican political appointee at DOJ had been found by a federal judge to have given “inaccurate” testimony under oath.
3860  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Issues American Creed (Constitutional Law): Windsor, gay marriage, DOMA on: March 12, 2013, 10:47:47 AM
The Reuters story that follows introduces the facts and issues for the current Supreme Court case on gay marriage.  This will be an interesting case to follow, perhaps a landmark decision, IMO.  Gay marriage advocates picked a perfect case to try because Ms. Windsor is missing out on a couple million of tax sheltered money because of not the preference of a heterosexual-marriage.  (When did marriage start needing a hyphen?)

It is easy for me to sympathize with both sides of this argument.  Conservatives should probably want gays to be monogamous, paired and settled for life for many of the same reasons other than procreation that we wish that for heteros.

On the other hand, what right was Ms. Windsor denied that is not also denied to a heterosexual single person?  A single heterosexual person does not have a right to either marriage (that requires consent of another person) nor a right to the estate-sheltering, tax deduction in question.

There are two logical, constitutional end-points I can see in this case (the two least likely outcomes of this Court): 1) Uphold current law by ruling that the legislative branch by definition has already set tax law and DOMA law in the way that we-the-people have determined best advances the 'general welfare' of the people.  2)  Or they could strike down all tax code preferences encouraging marriage and all other social preferences if the Court believes a government committed to equal protection can not be in the business of setting preferences or treating different people and different groups differently.  In that view, equal protection would come to mean that all income from all people and all sources must be taxed evenly.

The least logical decision (most likely) is to strike down thousands of years of language, common law and natural law that define a marriage to be when a man and a woman make a choice and a commitment to become a husband and wife often leading to also becoming a father and a mother, with gender terms intentionally specific.  Instead, carve out the politically expedient exception that two same-sex adults can become legally recognized as husband(?) and wife(?), spouse 1 and spouse 2(?), but leave in place all other discrimination in the law against all other persons and groups.
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http://news.yahoo.com/analysis-death-taxes-supreme-courts-gay-marriage-case-050623739.html

Analysis: Death, taxes and Supreme Court's gay marriage case
By Kim Dixon | Reuters

By Kim Dixon

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Edith Windsor and Thea Spyer, the lesbian couple at the center of a major gay rights case set to go before the Supreme Court this month, were in many ways a typical New York power couple.

Spyer was a psychologist; Windsor, a consultant at IBM. They met in a Greenwich Village restaurant in the 1960s and lived together for decades, summering at a Long Island beach house.

They waited until they were in their mid-70s to marry in Canada in 2007. When Spyer died in 2009, Windsor inherited her spouse's estate, worth about $4.1 million, according to lawyers.

But because she is gay, Windsor missed out on one of the most lucrative tax breaks enjoyed by affluent Americans - the exemption from federal estate tax on wealth passed from one spouse to another.

"The biggest benefit of marriage, financially, is when you die," said Fred Slater, a New York tax accountant.

The spousal exemption to the estate tax is denied to same-sex couples because of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), a law passed by Congress and signed by the president in 1996 that defines marriage as between a man and a woman.

Windsor is challenging DOMA in a case the nine-member high court will hear on March 27. At its core, Windsor's fight is with the Internal Revenue Service over how much federal tax she owes on Spyer's estate.

She seeks the return of hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes she would not have had to pay if she and Spyer had been of opposite sexes. Her challenge asks whether married gays should be able to claim the same exemption as married heterosexuals do.

The Supreme Court ruling is likely to affect estate taxes paid by only the most affluent of gays. But at stake is a bigger question: Are married gay couples entitled to the same federal tax and other benefits as married heterosexuals?

A ruling is expected by the end of June.

More broadly, however, if the court strikes down DOMA, married gay couples would likely be able to file their income tax returns jointly in states that allow gay marriage - a prospect with ramifications as complex as the tax code itself.

ESTATE TAX IMPACT

In bringing her case to the Supreme Court, Windsor argues that DOMA violates the U.S. Constitution's guarantee of equal protection. DOMA backers say the law is valid.

Of the 50 states, 31 have constitutional amendments banning gay marriage. It is legal in nine states and Washington, D.C.

The remaining states' policies vary, with some recognizing marriage from other states, some providing some of the legal benefits of marriage and others denying marriage by state laws, but not constitutional amendments.

The Obama administration said in 2011 that it viewed DOMA as a violation of the U.S. Constitution and said it would no longer defend it in court. A group appointed by the Republican majority in the U.S. House of Representatives has asked the justices to uphold DOMA.

When Spyer died, the general estate tax exemption was $3.5 million. So Windsor inherited that amount from Spyer tax-free, including gifts received during Spyer's lifetime.

But because they were a lesbian couple, under the DOMA law Windsor could not take advantage of the spousal exemption, which says that a spouse may inherit any amount tax-free from a deceased spouse.

So Windsor was charged $363,000 in estate tax by the federal tax-collecting Internal Revenue Service. She paid her IRS bill but then sued, seeking a refund. She won in district court and in a federal appeals courts, but her case gradually took on increased prominence and eventually made its way to the Supreme Court.

The Williams Institute, a University of California-Los Angeles think tank that studies sexual orientation, estimates that if DOMA is overturned, only about 50 same-sex couples would qualify for the spousal exemption each year.

The institute based its estimate on figures from the U.S. Census and the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, a think tank.

MARRIAGE PENALTY

But if Windsor wins her case, there would also be changes ahead in income tax filing and other benefits for some 130,000 same-sex married couples, as estimated by the Census Bureau.

A post-DOMA landscape would expose married gays to some of the same problems faced by married opposite-sex couples.

For instance, tax bracket and tax credit variations for singles versus married couples might mean wealthier couples and the working poor could face a "marriage penalty," while middle-income couples with one breadwinner could get a tax break.

"Equality is not always a net fiscal positive" for couples, said Brian Moulton, legal director of the Human Rights Campaign, which advocates for gay rights.

The maximum amount free of tax, whether for a spouse or not, has risen since Spyer died in 2009, and is now $5.25 million. As a result, most estates are passed on tax-free.

Only 3,600 estates were subject to estate tax in 2012, according to government figures, while the richest 10 percent of Americans paid almost all of the estate tax collected, said the Tax Policy Center.
3861  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Budget process, Paul Ryan: Republican budget assumes repeal of Obamacare on: March 11, 2013, 03:11:56 PM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/03/10/paul_ryan_2013_gop_budget_assumes_repeal_of_obamacare.html

Paul Ryan: Republican budget assumes repeal of Obamacare

Chris Wallace: Well, that's not going to happen.

Doug: Who originates appropriations bills for fiscal year 2014, the Pelosi-Reid congress of 2009?

3862  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Rice as NSA? on: March 11, 2013, 03:00:55 PM
National Security Adviser does not require senate confirmation.  Who knew that advise and consent was such a bad thing in some cases, could expose character flaws - like lying.  We need nothing but honest people in these positions - like Sandy 'boxers' Berger.  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16706-2005Mar31.html  He described the episode as "an honest mistake." Oops, "It was not inadvertent."  Lies and smear, said Media Matters, prior to Berger's confession and plea bargain.  http://mediamatters.org/research/2004/07/23/anatomy-of-a-smear-sandy-berger-socks-shocker-l/131484

Susan Rice (in fact this was not a preplanned, premeditated attack) will fit in fine with the likes of James Clapper (Muslim Brotherhood is largely secular), Jack Lew (can’t pass a budget without 60 votes) and John (cut-off-their-ears) Kerry to work with the President who promised unemployment would be down to 5% by 2013 if we pass his stimulus. http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-unemployment-chart-2012-9 

Unless the world ends now, we don't know who has the last laugh.
3863  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: US Economics: More Are Quitting the Workforce Than Getting Jobs on: March 11, 2013, 12:27:55 PM
Investors Business Daily / Bureau of Labor Statistics:



http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/030813-647381-job-growth-outpaced-by-growth-in-nonworkers.htm

More Are Quitting the Workforce Than Getting Jobs

While the country gained 236,000 jobs, the ranks of those not in the labor force — people who don't have a job and stopped looking — swelled by 296,000.

Looked at another way, just 58.6% of Americans work today, down from 60.6% when Obama took office. The average over the previous two decades was 63%.

3864  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: US Economics, Worst recovery since 1948 on: March 11, 2013, 12:19:38 PM
This recovery compares poorly with all previous ones since 1948.  Why?



http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/02/15/172116698/the-scariest-job-chart-ever-isnt-scary-enough

More detailed graph with lines labeled:

http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/03/08/employrecfeb2013_custom-0b0541f7aa3b6c2d0eca91666dd078aa4cbfe1e6-s40.jpg
3865  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / The Dow on Gold and Silver terms on: March 11, 2013, 12:15:08 PM
What part of the DOW's rise is just the dollar devaluing, all of it and then some?   Wesbury at First Trust and other securities companies like to look back at rising periods of the DOW.  Let's look back further and compare blue chip stocks with gold and silver instead of money:

The Dow on Gold's terms:    (http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article39400.html)

    During January 2000 gold traded at an average price of $284.32
    January 2000 the Dow was 10,900
    10,900/$284.32 per ounce = 38.33 gold ounces to buy the Dow

Today [Mar 09, 2013] gold is trading at $1570.90 while the Dow Jones (DJIA) continues to break records, up another 30 points as I write to 14,284.

14,284/1570.90 = 9.09 ozs of gold to buy the Dow today.

38.33/9.09 = 4.2
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(Doug) If you bought gold instead of Dow Jones stocks at the start of year 2000, you could keep 3/4 of your gold and buy the same quantity of the same stocks today with just 1/4 of your gold.
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The Dow on Silver's terms:

    During January 2000 silver averaged $4.95 oz
    January 2000 the Dow was 10,900
    10,900/$4.95 per ounce = 2202 silver ounces to buy the Dow

Today silver is trading at $28.62, the Dow is 14,284.

14,284/28.62 = 499 ozs silver to buy the Dow.

2202/499 = 4.4
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(Doug) If you bought silver instead of the Dow at the start of year 2000, you could keep 3/4 of your silver and buy the same stocks today with just 1/4 of your silver.

One moral of the story is that hindsight conclusions are highly dependent on the timeframe and measuring stick selected.
3866  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Venezuela on: March 11, 2013, 11:40:34 AM
Looks like Capriles is off to good start.  No pressure, but what Venezuela does in the next 30 days may determine their future for the rest of our lifetimes.
3867  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Detroit mayor found guilty on: March 11, 2013, 11:37:44 AM
Shocking.  Detroit ex-Mayor found guilty of corruption.

Wonder if the Pravda's will fit party affiliation into the headline.  
3868  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Cognitive Dissonance of the left - Bill Clinton on gay marriage on: March 09, 2013, 06:11:20 PM
Bill Clinton now argues that DOMA, the defense of marriage act, that he signed is unconstitutional.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bill-clinton-its-time-to-overturn-doma/2013/03/07/fc184408-8747-11e2-98a3-b3db6b9ac586_story.html?hpid=z2

Like minimum wage laws killing off jobs, what is good and bad policy, what is right and wrong, and what is constitutional and unconstitutional if you are a lefty is largely determined by the latest public opinion poll.

Was he sworn to uphold the constitution?  Did gays change, did the constitution change?  Is it too late to impeach him?

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/03/its-too-bad-we-cant-impeach-bill-clinton-again.php

3869  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Libertarian Issues - Is THIS what we had in mind with drug legalization? on: March 09, 2013, 06:06:27 PM
(Is THIS what we had in mind with drug legalization?)

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/03/06/drug-testing-company-sees-spike-in-children-using-marijuana/

Drug Testing Company Sees Spike In Children Using Marijuana
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COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (CBS4) – A drug testing company says it’s seeing a big spike in children using marijuana following the passage of Amendment 64.

...It’s not just more students, but it appears they’re using pot more often. ... “In high school it has kind of gotten out of hand,” student Alaina Tanenbaum said.

Experts say the test results show that children are getting higher than ever with alarming levels of THC, marijuana’s active ingredient, in their bodies.  “A typical kid (is) between 50 and 100 nanograms. Now were seeing these up in the over 500, 700, 800, climbing,”  (More at link)
3870  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Allan Savory - How to green the world's deserts, reverse desertification on: March 09, 2013, 05:54:16 PM
This 22 minute talk comes touted by Anthony Watts this week as "one of the most important posts ever" on Watts up with that, one of the top environmental sites on the internet.

Ecologist Allan Savory shows how to solve with low technology and relatively low cost the climate change problem that is perhaps worse than all fossil fuel use, the turning of the world's grasslands into deserts.



http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/08/a-bridge-in-the-climate-debate-how-to-green-the-worlds-deserts-and-reverse-climate-change/
3871  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: ACORN review on: March 09, 2013, 12:29:07 PM
If true, I also find the post helpful.  I did not know one ACORN office had already called the police. It would be nice if they added to the report the timing of that and the actual police report if it is public information.  There were many ACORN offices approached in that film, did they all call the police?

That film was beyond bizarre. Entertaining perhaps, but not among the original allegations levied against ACORN.

If Fox misses this update after playing up the original story then shame on them.  Mark it against them on their career scorecard.  The other main conduits are missing much bigger stories every day IMHO.  I resent having to go to right wing sources for basic facts and I appreciate when Bigdog or anyone else helps set the record straight.  It does not advance a partisan political agenda to be repeating a falsehood, (unless you are liberal).


Going back a step on ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now was founded in 1970.

1) My first allegation against ACORN is strictly political.  They are highly funded, highly organized, EXTREMELY left wing and highly effective at getting their message out in urban areas to people vulnerable to that message.  They were so highly targeted that they operated under the radar of nearly everyone not running in those circles.  I was shocked to discover them in my inner city operations and how far off of mainstream they really were.  So far so good, there is nothing wrong with being left wing, extreme, political, organized and effective.  As a matter of politics I think people who favor economic freedom ought to be aware of the operations of these extreme groups in order to expose their extreme views and counter them politically with a more hopeful message than shaking down others for money.  Jump forward to the Obama reelection campaign of 2012 and remove the tarnished name ACORN, these organizations perhaps delivered the political victory more than almost any other factor.

One of their their main political and legal causes was to cause more housing resources to go to people who could not afford them, a big factor leading to the collapse in housing, banking, employment and the economic prospects for the people they purport to help.  Here is a video, not of ACORN, but of their view represented at the highest levels, then Sec. of Housing (HUD) a youthful Andrew Cuomo in 1998 admitting these federally backed housing loans would not be made on creditworthiness criteria and yes "there will be a higher risk and I'm sure there will be a higher default rate...": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFlYmLAMbrw&feature=player_embedded

2) ACORN merged its extreme left wing political activities with community do-gooding.  Nothing wrong in concept with that.  A non-profit operating to help a community in need ought to be able to have a political voice too, like businesses and unions should.  IRS questions come up because they are subsidized by the taxpayers in the form of tax deductible donations for different purposes.  Are they political, are they charity, does it matter?

3) ACORN mixing political activism with charitable work receives direct taxpayer support - big time.  To this, I object.  We shouldn't have taxpayer money supporting a political message.  They were funded to the tune of tens of millions of dollars, almost unmeasurable, and they were funded in different names after congress voted to revoke their funding.  Because they know their political operations shouldn't be taxpayer funded, they built the FIREWALL.

4) A FIREWALL that separates all charitable work from all political activities, if you believe that!  I watched the head of ACORN tell us on the PBS News Hour, posted somewhere in this thread, that taxpayer money cannot bleed over into political operations because of the FIREWALL.  I will offer a reward for an authentic photograph of the firewall or information that would lead to the discovery of its exact location.  I believe it may sit right next to the social security lockbox - or in the safety deposit box area of Gringotts.

5) And then we have the criminal, electoral corruption of ACORN, enough to have put this operation in the category of an organized crime ring IMO, also documented in this thread.  


http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-complete-guide-to-acorn-voter-fraud/?singlepage=true

October 14, 2008    ACORN Voter Fraud Guide

...a national community organizing group is being investigated in at least 14 states and several swing states for massive irregularities. This news would make headlines anyway, but what made it worse was that Barack Obama was a key player in this organization, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, in the past. Obama trained its local leaders, represented the organization in court, and worked to funnel funds to the organization. The Obama campaign also donated $800,000 this year to an ACORN affiliate.

What is ACORN?

The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) is a community-based organization that advocates for low and moderate income families founded in 1970 by Wade Rathke and Gary Delgado. Rathke, one of the most powerful hard-Left activists in America, is a former member of a radical 1960s group, the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS). The Weathermen terrorist group split off from the SDS in 1969. ACORN says its priorities include better housing and wages for the poor, more community development investment from banks and governments, and better public schools.

ACORN is also known for its voter registration efforts.  This year alone (2008) ACORN has registered 1,315,037 voters.

Although the organization prides itself for its registration efforts, it also has a long history of scandal. In the state of Missouri in 1986, 12 ACORN members were convicted of voter fraud. But that case was not an isolated incident in the state. In December 2004, in St. Louis, six volunteers pleaded guilty of dozens of election law violations for filling out registration cards with names of dead people and other bogus information. Authorities launched an earlier investigation after noticing that among the new voters was longtime St. Louis alderman Albert “Red” Villa, who died in 1990. The volunteers worked for “Operation Big Vote” — a branch of ACORN — in St. Louis.

On February 10, 2005, Nonaresa Montgomery, a paid worker who ran Operation Big Vote during the run-up to the 2001 mayoral primary, was found guilty of vote fraud. Montgomery hired about 30 workers to do fraudulent voter-registration canvassing. Instead of knocking on doors, the volunteers sat at a St. Louis fast food restaurant and wrote out names and information from an outdated voter list. About 1,500 fraudulent voter registration cards were turned in.

In October 2006, St. Louis election officials discovered at least 1,492 “potentially fraudulent” voter registration cards. They were all turned in by ACORN volunteers.

In November 2006, 20,000 to 35,000 questionable voter registration forms were turned in by ACORN officials in Missouri. Most all of these were from St. Louis and Kansas City areas, where ACORN purportedly sought to help empower the “disenfranchised” minorities living there. But the ACORN workers weren’t just told to register new voters. The workers admitted on camera that they were coached to tell registrants to vote for Democrat Claire McCaskill.

In 2007, in Kansas City, Missouri, four ACORN employees were indicted for fraud. In April of this year eight ACORN employees in St. Louis city and county pleaded guilty to federal election fraud for submitting bogus voter registrations.

And, that was just Missouri.

This year there have been several accusations of fraud against ACORN. Over a dozen states are investigating the organization already. Here is a complete list of the ongoing investigations:

North Carolina — State Board of Elections officials have found at least 100 voter registration forms with the same names over and over again. The forms were turned in by ACORN. Officials sent about 30 applications to the state Board of Elections for possible fraud investigation.

Ohio — The New York Post reported that a Cleveland man said he was given cash and cigarettes by aggressive ACORN activists in exchange for registering an astonishing 72 times. The complaints have sparked an investigation by election officials into the organization, whose political wing has supported Barack Obama. Witnesses have already been subpoenaed to testify against the organization.

Nevada — Authorities raided the headquarters of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now on Tuesday October 7, 2008, after a month-long investigation. The fraudulent voter registrations included the Dallas Cowboys starting line-up.

Indiana — More than 2,000 voter registration forms filed in northern Indiana’s Lake County filled out by ACORN employees turned out to be bogus. Officials also stopped processing a stack of about 5,000 applications delivered just before the October 6 registration deadline after the first 2,100 turned out to be phony.

Connecticut — Officials are looking into a complaint alleging ACORN submitted fraudulent voter registration cards in Bridgeport. In one instance, an official said a card was filled out for a 7-year-old girl, whose age was listed as 27. 8,000 cards were submitted in Bridgeport.

Missouri — The Kansas City election board is reporting 100 duplicate applications and 280 with fake information. Acorn officials agreed that at least 4% of their registrations were bogus. Governor Matt Blunt condemned the attempts by ACORN to commit voter fraud.

Pennsylvania — Officials are investigating suspicious or incomplete registration forms submitted by ACORN. 252,595 voter registrations were submitted in Philadelphia. Remarkably, 57,435 were rejected — most of them submitted by ACORN.

Wisconsin — In Milwaukee ACORN improperly used felons as registration workers. Additionally, its workers are among 49 cases of bad registrations sent to authorities for possible charges, as first reported by the Journal Sentinel.

Florida — The Pinellas County Elections supervisor says his office has received around 35 voter registrations that appear to be bogus. There is also a question of 30,000 felons who are registered illegally to vote. Their connections with ACORN are not yet clear.

Texas — Of the 30,000 registration cards ACORN turned in, Harris County tax assessor Paul Bettencourt says just more than 20,000 are valid. And just look at some of the places ACORN was finding those voters. A church just next door is the address for around 150 people. More than 250 people claim a homeless outreach center as their home address. Some listed a county mental health facility as their home and one person even wrote down the Harris County jail at the sheriff’s office.

Michigan — ACORN in Detroit is being investigated after several municipal clerks reported fraudulent and duplicate voter registration applications coming through. The clerk interviewed said the fraud appears to be widespread.

New Mexico – The Bernalillo County clerk has notified prosecutors that some 1,100 fraudulent voter registration cards were turned in by ACORN.

Other links:
http://blog.heritage.org/2008/10/22/morning-bell-the-lefts-fraudulent-embezzzling-illegal-vote-stealing-machine/
http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2003806904_webvotefraud26m.html
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Reform-group-turned-in-2-000-suspicious-voter-1229151.php
http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/86913867.html
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/local/region/7-acorn-workers-charged-with-forgery-341234/
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/nov/23/ex-acorn-official-gets-probation-voter-registratio/
http://www.lvrj.com/news/acorn-pleads-guilty-to-felony-compensation-for-registration-of-voters-119367839.html
http://www.lvrj.com/news/judge-fines-acorn-5-000-for-voter-registration-scheme-127467598.html
http://www.doj.state.wi.us/media-center/2008-news-releases/october-14-2008-2

Give CNN credit for this excellent piece:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gkUKOSnv2zY
3872  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Newsweek - Woodward wasn't that great of a journalist in the first place on: March 08, 2013, 02:13:04 PM
Who could have seen this coming?!

Would Woodward's entire career be under critical scrutiny if not for his perceived attack on the administration?
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2013/03/11/the-myth-of-bob-woodward-why-is-this-man-an-american-icon.html

From Newsweek
The Myth of Bob Woodward: Why Is This Man an American Icon?

“Some of their writing is not true,” ... “They’re wrong often on detail”
...
"If there was any doubt that Bob Woodward’s ego is out of control, inviting the president to his house should put those doubts to rest.".
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4 internet pages about problems with Woodward's previous work.  He was really a hack, one might take from this.
3873  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Political Economics - Dr. Thomas Sowell on Income Mobility on: March 08, 2013, 01:51:52 PM
Economists, media and politicians often dwell on quintiles and percentiles of earners without noting that the people who make up these groups changes everyday, every year and every decade.  We hear that the rich this... and the top 1% that... but bogus stats lead to wrong conclusions because they do not adjust or account for the movement of the people between the groups.  If you follow the people, the conclusion is the opposite of just following the brackets. 
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/03/05/economic_mobility_117269.html

Economic Mobility

By Thomas Sowell - March 5, 2013

Excerpt:

"Most working Americans who were initially in the bottom 20 percent of income-earners, rise out of that bottom 20 percent. More of them end up in the top 20 percent than remain in the bottom 20 percent.

People who were initially in the bottom 20 percent in income have had the highest rate of increase in their incomes, while those who were initially in the top 20 percent have had the lowest. This is the direct opposite of the pattern found when following income brackets over time, rather than following individual people.

Most of the media publicize what is happening to the statistical brackets -- especially that "top one percent" -- rather than what is happening to individual people.

Read more: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/03/05/economic_mobility_117269.html#ixzz2MyklvA6r

3874  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Political Economics on: March 08, 2013, 01:36:41 PM
Going back in the thread:

"Let the president have the authority."  - CK

Said in regard to the president being able to pass money from one government entity to another, basically overriding any congressional oversight that existed in regards to budgets that had been passed, all in an effort to grant Obama the ability to funnel funds to keep whatever agencies that Obama deems "important," up and operating.

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I think, in that proposal, the idea is that the administration can move money within a department to its greatest need, not say move defense money to food stamps etc.  It wouldn't end oversight; they would haul in the cabinet secretaries to testify as to where money is being spent and why.  It would weaken the argument that the appropriating branch was starving the elderly, when it turns out the administration was spending the money on bureaucrats. 

Allotting money and then holding people accountable sounds like private sector management.  I share the concern that they should not be giving up their constitutional responsibility. 
3875  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Political Rants & interesting thought pieces: Jack Kemp - The Wagon on: March 08, 2013, 12:28:03 PM
Jack Kemp in 1979:  "You need both groups, both parties. The Democrats are the party of redistribution. The Republicans must be the part of growth."

In 1979, all of Washington was run by Democrats.

Correcting and sourcing a great analogy that I botched in recent posts.
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"Think about a wagon. It is a simple but forceful way of visualizing an important aspect of government. The wagon is loaded here. It's unloaded over there. The folks who are loading it are Republicans. The folks who are unloading it are Democrats. You need both groups, both parties. The Democrats are the party of redistribution. The Republicans must be the part of growth. It is useless to argue, as some libertarians do, that we do not need redistribution at all. The people, as a people, rightly insist that the whole look after the weakest of its members."

Jack Kemp's 1979 book, “An American Renaissance.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/jack-kemp-and-the-contemporary-gop/2011/03/29/AF3EQyQE_blog.html

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I told this story at a gathering in a friend's living room after listening to a young woman, daughter of Kieth Ellison's predecessor and a Lt. Governor candidate in her own right, tell us that the difference between the parties was that Democrats care about others while Republicans care only about themselves.  She heard that we need both parties and gasped, "I've never heard that before!"
3876  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Arthur Brooks: The Road to Freedom on: March 08, 2013, 12:00:34 PM
Democrat policies doubled minority unemployment, collapsed wealth and did nothing to alleviate our heavily-demagogued income inequality. 

"Meanwhile, the record of free enterprise in improving the lives of the poor both here and abroad is spectacular."

Yet Republicans haven't yet put a convincing answer on why prosperity-based policies are better for everyone.  Minorities keep choosing failure based policies in the face of these facts.  Brooks is Pres. of AEI.  I think he identifies a key messaging problem.  I'm not sure if he spells out the solution.  Maybe you have to buy the book for that...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324338604578326350052940798.html?KEYWORDS=republicans+and+their+faulty+moral+arithmetic

Republicans and Their Faulty Moral Arithmetic
Conservative values and money issues are worth less than concern for the poor.

By ARTHUR C. BROOKS

In the waning days of the 1992 presidential campaign, President George H.W. Bush trailed Bill Clinton in the polls. The conventional wisdom was that Mr. Bush seemed too aloof from voters struggling economically. At a rally in New Hampshire, the exhausted president started what was probably the fourth campaign speech of the day by reading aloud what may have been handed to him as a stage direction: "Message: I care."

How little things have changed for Republicans in 20 years. There is only one statistic needed to explain the outcome of the 2012 presidential election. An April YouGov.com poll—which mirrored every other poll on the subject—found that only 33% of Americans said that Mitt Romney "cares about people like me." Only 38% said he cared about the poor.

Conservatives rightly complain that this perception was inflamed by President Obama's class-warfare campaign theme. But perception is political reality, and over the decades many Americans have become convinced that conservatives care only about the rich and powerful.

Perhaps it doesn't matter. If Republicans and conservatives double down on the promotion of economic growth, job creation and traditional values, Americans might turn away from softheaded concerns about "caring." Right?

Wrong. As New York University social psychologist Jonathan Haidt has shown in his research on 132,000 Americans, care for the vulnerable is a universal moral concern in the U.S. In his best-selling 2012 book "The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion," Mr. Haidt demonstrated that citizens across the political spectrum place a great importance on taking care of those in need and avoiding harm to the weak. By contrast, moral values such as sexual purity and respect for authority—to which conservative politicians often give greater emphasis—resonate deeply with only a minority of the population. Raw money arguments, e.g., about the dire effects of the country's growing entitlement spending, don't register morally at all.

Conservatives are fighting a losing battle of moral arithmetic. They hand an argument with virtually 100% public support—care for the vulnerable—to progressives, and focus instead on materialistic concerns and minority moral viewpoints.

The irony is maddening. America's poor people have been saddled with generations of disastrous progressive policy results, from welfare-induced dependency to failing schools that continue to trap millions of children.

Meanwhile, the record of free enterprise in improving the lives of the poor both here and abroad is spectacular. According to Columbia University economist Xavier Sala-i-Martin, the percentage of people in the world living on a dollar a day or less—a traditional poverty measure—has fallen by 80% since 1970. This is the greatest antipoverty achievement in world history. That achievement is not the result of philanthropy or foreign aid. It occurred because billions of souls have been able to pull themselves out of poverty thanks to global free trade, property rights, the rule of law and entrepreneurship.

The left talks a big game about helping the bottom half, but its policies are gradually ruining the economy, which will have catastrophic results once the safety net is no longer affordable. Labyrinthine regulations, punitive taxation and wage distortions destroy the ability to create private-sector jobs. Opportunities for Americans on the bottom to better their station in life are being erased.

Some say the solution for conservatives is either to redouble the attacks on big government per se, or give up and try to build a better welfare state. Neither path is correct. Raging against government debt and tax rates that most Americans don't pay gets conservatives nowhere, and it will always be an exercise in futility to compete with liberals on government spending and transfers.

Instead, the answer is to make improving the lives of vulnerable people the primary focus of authentically conservative policies. For example, the core problem with out-of-control entitlements is not that they are costly—it is that the impending insolvency of Social Security and Medicare imperils the social safety net for the neediest citizens. Education innovation and school choice are not needed to fight rapacious unions and bureaucrats—too often the most prominent focus of conservative education concerns—but because poor children and their parents deserve better schools.

Defending a healthy culture of family, community and work does not mean imposing an alien "bourgeois" morality on others. It is to recognize what people need to be happy and successful—and what is most missing today in the lives of too many poor people.

By making the vulnerable a primary focus, conservatives will be better able to confront some common blind spots. Corporate cronyism should be decried as every bit as noxious as statism, because it unfairly rewards the powerful and well-connected at the expense of ordinary citizens. Entrepreneurship should not to be extolled as a path to accumulating wealth but as a celebration of everyday men and women who want to build their own lives, whether they start a business and make a lot of money or not. And conservatives should instinctively welcome the immigrants who want to earn their success in America.

With this moral touchstone, conservative leaders will be able to stand before Americans who are struggling and feel marginalized and say, "We will fight for you and your family, whether you vote for us or not"—and truly mean it. In the end that approach will win. But more important, it is the right thing to do.

Mr. Brooks is president of the American Enterprise Institute and author of "The Road to Freedom" (2012).
3877  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Senate Budget coming due to Committee changes? on: March 08, 2013, 11:46:57 AM
Interesting observation by Stephen Moore that the reason the Senate has not passed a budget in 4 years in violation of their own law is because the Senate Budget committee was run by Kent Conrad, a moderate Dem from a liberty state (we don't use re-blue designations) who was spending hawk more than a tax raiser.

With Patty Murray in charge now, expect a budget and expect trillions in tax increases coming out of the Dem Senate.  Only 51 votes is required to pass a Senate budget, contrary to what Jack Liar Lew recently said.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323628804578344801727234218.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLESecond
3878  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Former Dem Senator citicizes current Dem policies on: March 08, 2013, 11:32:27 AM
Famous people reading the forum, we already touched on this: http://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=1096.msg69803#msg69803

Former Dem Senator criticizing current Dem policies and threats!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323478304578329952822121118.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEFTTopOpinion

Natural Gas Exports and the Mythical 'Sweet Spot'
Congressional meddling so warped the market in 1977 that an emergency law was needed to undo the harm.
By J. BENNETT JOHNSTON (former Democratic senator from Louisiana, was chairman of the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources from 1986-94.)

"Which brings us back to today's calls for top-down control of the LNG market. Does anyone really think that Congress or the Department of Energy, years in advance, can predict supply and demand or determine which of the 16 applicants can procure the billions of dollars and decades-long contracts necessary to build an LNG export facility?"

"The free market might not always lead to everyone's definition of the sweet spot, but experience has shown that it is a better allocator and regulator than bureaucrats and politicians. We should heed the admonition of Adam Smith that demand begets supply: Allow the free market to allocate the nation's newfound energy bounty."
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Which party would he join now?
3879  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Government regulations: "New NYC regulations change what we can serve you" on: March 08, 2013, 11:20:53 AM
I don't dine at Dunkin Donuts nor care what they choose to serve.  What I care about is their freedom to make those decisions.  Actual sign explaining new regs:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/admin/ed-assets/2013/03/BloombergCity.bmp
(image too large to post)

Because of new laws, you will have to add your own sugar and you will have to add your own flavor with different rules for different sizes depending on whether your beverage is hot or cold.  Understand?  No one does.

Artificial sweeteners just found to be dangerous in the latest research are not regulated.  Yet.

Good f-ing grief.  Do they think health nuts go into these places?  After cigarettes, we joked about what is next.  The old joke of ordering 6 glazed doughnuts and Diet Coke has become the law.

They can prohibit from buying a toilet large enough to flush but allow you to have a 500 gallon hot tub.  Prohibit sugar in drinks but not in donuts.  Ban Mercury emissions from coal, then require it in light bulbs.  Ban 100w incandescent bulbs but allow unlimited use of specialty bulbs.  Stop the hitting in Football while subsidizing the stadiums where people love that.   Eliminate headers in soccer but allow martial arts. 

Don't joke about what they will regulate next.
3880  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Defense spending on: March 08, 2013, 10:50:55 AM
The wars and national defense did not cause our trillion dollar deficits or the 16.5 trillion dollar debt, but measured in tenths of trillions, cutbacks and wars winding down are at least a little help in curbing spending growth:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/01/30/why-defense-spending-dropped-22-last-quarter-and-shrunk-gdp/

Government defense expenditures dropped by a staggering 22.2 percent annual pace between October and December. According to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, the Pentagon spent significantly less on just about everything except military pay.

3881  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the Republicans on: March 08, 2013, 10:35:02 AM
Mitch McConnell joined in with Rand.  Reince Preibus (sp?) head of RNC says he started the stand with rand tweating.  All the big shows, Beck, Rush, Hannity had Rand on.  Karl Rove on the defensive has celebrated the tea party victories, just not the losses.  McCain and Graham are not party establishment - they made careers out of bucking the party, not joining it.  I'm not sure there is a 'pub' establishment anymore.  If there is it is run by Rand Paul, Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio and now Ted Cruz.  Very fluid situation. More accurately it is run from the ground up represented by some these people and others.
3882  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: US Economics, the stock market , and other investment/savings strategies on: March 08, 2013, 10:07:27 AM
"GDP would have to have grown even more massively, right?"

Not so much.

"real median household incomes declined 1.5% in 2011"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/06/sequester-republicans-help-rich-hurt-poor

Here is Wesbury predicting 4% GDP growth in July 2009.  (I wonder what G M predicted...)

16 Jul 2009 09:10 AM
Investors can expect to see a 4 percent growth in gross domestic product, say Brian Wesbury and Robert Stein."When we tell people this forecast, we often get looks as if we are out of our minds, and those are just the polite responses," they told Forbes Magazine...  "Adding up all these factors leaves us with an average expected real GDP growth rate of 4.2 percent. We get there with what we think are very conservative estimates on consumption and business investment,’’ they say.
http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/gross-domestic-product/2009/07/16/id/331605#ixzz2MuaFfSbI

Here is Investor's Business Daily reporting actual growth for that period, 4 years later, at 0.8%:

"0.8% growth over his entire first term."  "Worst in modern history."  "It was barely a quarter of the tally achieved under President Carter."
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-viewpoint/021213-644194-obama-growth-record-is-worst-in-60-years.htm#ixzz2KuQGawCt

The equities market went up because:
1) QE dollar injection
2) Zero interest rates due to Fed interventions and injections removed all other investment choices, savings, bonds, etc.
3) economic growth elsewhere
4) and yes, the US economy trudged forward, did not collapse

What would 'the market' be at today had the Fed not bought 70% of our debt, had interest rates been at market levels, rising until enough capital went to buy Treasury bonds to pay for our massively deficit spending?

Wesbury was called out by PP for some housing numbers but generally he is as accurate a source as is available for these commonly quoted measures.  The measures themselves have many inaccuracies but that is another matter.

Actual numbers, best that I can find:

Federal Spending in Trillions
 2.7         3.0       3.5        3.5       3.6       3.5
FY2007 FY2008  FY2009  FY2010  FY2011  FY 2012

GDP in Trillions:
14.0       14.3      14.0      14.5      15.1      15.7

Spending % of GDP:
19.3%   21.0%   25.0%   24.1%   23.8%   22.3%

The big jump in spending was at the end of 2008, mostly in fiscal year 2009, partly under Bush in the transition and partly under Obama, all under a Dem congress. The big growth of spending from the Pelosi-Reid congress beyond the alleged stimuli was mostly Obamacare beginning in 2014, not shown in these numbers. Spending growth stopped in the Boehner-McConnell budget fights with Obama.  (Did Crafty know that? smiley ) The growth in GDP is at slow plowhorse speed, artificially propped up by QE at the Fed, authorized by the 'dual mission' legislation of Humphrey-Hawkins of 1978.

The real point I see in these numbers is this - do we realize how quickly we could have grown out of this mess with pro-growth policies?  As Wesbury recognized in 2009 real growth in GDP of 4% was certainly possible.  Run these percentages with those GDP growth numbers!

It is a strange political irony that pro-growth Republican policies will finance far more goodies and freebies for the dependent class constituencies than the economically stagnant, class warfare policies of the Dems.
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Numbers above from different sources below.  Fiscal years and calendar years don't match up.  Use with caution.
http://www.bea.gov/national/index.htm#gdp
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_budget_estimate_vs_actual_2012
http://www.ftportfolios.com/retail/blogs/economics/index.aspx
3883  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Cyberwar and American Freedom on: March 07, 2013, 10:05:47 AM
Philosophical question:  Which is a greater danger-- thousands of independent hackers or the government tracking everything you read, write, and say?

Both.
3884  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The US Congress- Ted Cruz questioning Eric Holder in committee on: March 07, 2013, 09:55:28 AM
Cruz is killing this.  cool



Watch this to the end.  The last question is on Fast and Furious and Executive Privilege.
3885  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Government programs & regulations, spending, deficit, and budget process on: March 06, 2013, 04:21:48 PM
"Every lefty I talk to rejects the 100.00 an hour minimum, but can't explain why or give me what a "living wage" should be."

That's right.  If they tell you why 100/hr is absurd to pay for unskilled labor of limited value then they would also be telling you why $9 is also absurd to pay someone producing less than that.

Minimum wage, to belabor the point, is what you pay someone before they develop significant productive skills of value to the organization.  Should a person with no experience, knowledge or skills be paid on the first day enough to support a family of four comfortably?  Not in the real world.

Livable wage today in America is near zero.  People almost do not have to work to support a family of four and still risk obesity with the excesses.

What livable wage implies is the level of income would you need to earn in order to require no assistance from the government and live acceptably.  In America today, that might be reaching the 51st percentile of income or more, roughly 50,000 per household, not per person. 

Should we require all people to be paid above average income??  Only in Lake Wobegon are all the people above average.

The government should focus on getting government sector pay and benefits up or down to market levels.
3886  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Government programs: Minimum Wage on: March 06, 2013, 01:18:13 PM
"Whether support for minimum wages is motivated by good or by evil, its effect is to cut off the bottom rungs of the economic ladder for the most disadvantaged worker and lower the cost of discrimination."

Walter Williams and Obj have this right.  The media judges our minimum wage argument by how it polls, not how it cuts off employment.


GM: "I think we need to raise the minimum wage to 100.00 an hour, so everyone can be rich!"

It would be interesting to see a big government liberal try to explain why a 100/hr minimum would not be a good idea.  'Well if you set it too high no one would hire the less skilled workers...'  Yes, that's right.


It comes down to who owns the discussion.  If the question is minimum wage at 6 or 7 versus 9 or 10, why not choose higher?  If the question was to let people work versus leaving 20 or 25 million black or minority youth out of the workforce, maybe fewer locked out of the productive workforce would be better.  The question isn't how much pay but how should we value work.  Should we value it in a free and open marketplace or have Soviet style central planners take care of it? 

The real way wages and prosperity rise is to allow more businesses with more money compete to make the very most productive use of a limited supply of labor.  Instead we discourage that. We are blocking out with all means available the formation of new businesses and the expansions of existing ones that would otherwise drive up the demand for labor.
3887  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: US Economics, the stock market , and other investment/savings strategies on: March 06, 2013, 12:45:17 PM
Crafty makes great points and poses tough questions.

For starters one might ask before getting irrationally exuberant, what part of GDP growth at 1%/yr is propped up by $4T? of dollar expansion that cannot continue indefinitely?

On allegedly absent inflation, I would warn there is an important distinction between inflation, the dilution of our dollar, and the price increases that tend to follow.  The delay of spiraling price increases is due in my view to the continuing weakness of demand, the sputtering velocity of money.  That continues to work only as long as policies and circumstances keep the economy relatively stagnant.  So far, so good.  (

GM wrote: "As far as those number Wesbury cites, what's the source? I can't imagine how they could be true with record levels of federal spending going on."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/hist01z1.xls
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/hist01z2.xls

Look back to fiscal year 2007 when the budget was most recently closest to balanced (deficit=160B).  Spending was below 20% of GDP while tax receipts had just grown 44% in 4 years following the tax rate cuts being fully implemented in 2003.  Enter the election the Dem majorities of Pelosi-Reid-Obama-Biden-Hillary-Ellison et al promising to move us off that path.  Employment growth ended.   Investors and employers got scared.  Overpriced, overvalued homes started to become unaffordable.  Failingmortgages failing brought down financial markets.

Spending went from 2.7T in FY2007 to 3.8T in FY2012 and 2013, a 40% increase in 5 years.  

Now we have effectively a zero increase in spending, but only after making all that temporary-emergency spending permanent while retreating from two wars and having budget restraint fights every few months.  With spending at a plateau and perhaps 1% consistent real growth in GDP, spending as a % of GDP ticks down a point at a time to still above 22% of the economy just before the BIG new programs kick in.  

Crafty wrote:  "What happens if this trend continues for another two years or so and we are down to the promised land of fed spending 20% of GDP and the deficit and rather reasonable 3% and armageddon has not hit yet?   IMHO we need to reflect upon this."

How can this trend continue?  Repeal Obamacare or believe it won't cost much?  Expect GDP growth to shoot up in the face of new taxes and regulations?

Last time the budget was balanced, spending was at 18.2% of GDP, not 23.3% where we are right now (according to the tables) or the 20% historical average that includes all the big deficit years.  Revenues are still only coming in at 17.8%.   That tells me spending is still 30% higher we can afford just before the world's largest entitlement takes effect.  

These facts may make others optimistic, but not me.
3888  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Cog. Diss. of His Glibness, Wash Post: Four Pinocchios for WH Janitors' pay cut on: March 06, 2013, 10:49:58 AM
We originally thought this was maybe a Two Pinocchio rating, but in light of the AOC memo and the confirmation that security guards will not face a pay cut, nothing in Obama’s statement came close to being correct.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/sequester-spin-obamas-incorrect-claim-of-capitol-janitors-receiving-a-pay-cut/2013/03/01/3407535c-82a9-11e2-b99e-6baf4ebe42df_blog.html

3889  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Big Brother(State and Corporate): Web-connected cars bring privacy concerns on: March 06, 2013, 10:31:25 AM
Web-connected cars bring privacy concerns

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/web-connected-cars-bring-privacy-concerns/2013/03/05/d935d990-80ea-11e2-a350-49866afab584_story.html
...
More than 60 percent of vehicles worldwide will be connected directly to the Internet by 2017, up from 11 percent last year, predicts ABI Research. In North America and Europe, that percentage is likely to reach 80 percent.

Many cars already record their speed, direction and gear setting, as well as when brakes activate and for how long. Newer systems also can track whether road surfaces are slick or whether the driver is wearing a seat belt — information potentially valuable to police and insurance companies investigating crashes. (Some car insurance companies already monitor driving behavior in exchange for discounted rates.)
...
One of the prototype vehicles on display here, a dark blue Cadillac ATS sedan, was outfitted with OnStar, streaming video, music apps and cameras aimed at both the interior and exterior of the car. In demonstrations, one of the car’s interior cameras took short video clips of occupants that were incorporated in animated sequences broadcast on the dashboard video screen.

Stefan Cross, an executive with public relations firm Weber Shandwick, which was assisting in GM’s announcement of the new technology, said one possible feature would alert owners by text message if their car is bumped or hit. Owners might then be able to activate the exterior cameras remotely for immediate visual reconnaissance.

“It allows somebody to stay connected to your car even if you’re not in it,” he said.

Cross said GM would protect the privacy of its customers, even as the volume of data increases. “We have that data. We’re just not prepared to release it to third parties.”

Yet experts say that in the absence of strong national privacy laws, valuable data often leaks out. Any information produced by a vehicle and transmitted over the Internet ends up on servers, making it a potential target for authorities, lawyers engaged in court cases or hackers.
3890  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Politics of Health Care on: March 06, 2013, 10:15:58 AM
Health care merging with cognitive dissonance of the left:  Who knew that the big advances in health care would be coming from the IRS.  Rest assured their life-saving work will continue uninterrupted by the sequester.

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/286423-sequester-wont-interrupt-taxes-from-healthcare-law
3891  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Pathological Science - Snow postpones global warming hearing on: March 06, 2013, 09:52:20 AM
Snow postpones global warming hearing

3/6/13 6:13 AM EST

A House Science Committee hearing on global warming won't go on after all — the committee's environmental subpanel has just announced that it's postponing this morning's session on climate change "due to weather."

http://www.climatedepot.com/a/19965/Snow-postpones-Congressional-global-warming-hearing
3892  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Government programs & regulations, spending, deficit, and budget process on: March 05, 2013, 10:54:49 AM
"An increase of 1.0 to 1.5 is a 50% increase yet the same .5 increase from 3.0 to 3.5 is a 16.67% increase."

I believe the left side of the graph is spending in trillions, since close to zero in 1913.  Adjusted for inflation, but otherwise I think it is not manipulated.  Please take a look again.  You are correct on the way percentages can be used in different ways, like when Wesbury says something is up 1% three years in a row from a horribly depressed level instead of saying it is still down 30% from 5 years ago.
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"The Fed thinks short rates will eventually go to a 4% average while long-term rates
rise to 4.5%."

Wesbury here is accepting what the Fed is saying to make his point.  Looks like rosy scenario to me.  If our worst fear after multi-trillions of quantitative easing and when real economic growth returns is that interest rates might hit 4%, I wouldn't be worried either.  I don't buy it.  Interest rates could be twice that and have been far worse not that long ago, after much less 'quantitative easing' than now.
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"does not Wesbury also make a number of fair points in that he is discussing the consequences to interest payments on the $16.6T?  There are no interest payments to be made on unfunded liabilities."

True.  He makes a good point that paying interest to ourselves isn't much of a cost, but the quantitative easing and future devaluations of our currency have other hidden costs yet to reveal themselves.  

Unfunded liabilities mean future deficits, future debt, future interest, future impossibilities of balancing budgets or lowering tax burdens.  I said interest costs could go to a trillion, but I mean at debt levels that will inevitably be higher than today (and interest rate FAR above 4.5%) before we get a handle on all this, if we ever do.
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"both spending as a percent of GDP and annual budget deficits are
declining. After peaking at more than $1.4 trillion in 2009 our forecast for this
year is a deficit of about $830 billion, or 5.1% of GDP. At the same time spending
has fallen from over 25% of GDP at its peak to near 22%."

That $1.4T was about 11% of GDP and now we are at less than half that?
Is that not a BFD?

Is not a 3% drop in federal spending as a % of GDP a BFD as well?

Who amongst us knew this?  I'm guessing not a one."


I think we knew that, we can check the threads.  On the first point, a deficit of 1.4T is mind-boggling.  As that shrunk, it still was 4 deficits in a row all over a trillion.  (Then we measure it as a percentage of the entire economy to make it look smaller!?) The damage of that is cumulative and that has been the focus.  From the disastrous lows, the economy has been growing slowly.  We know that mostly from the Wesbury posts you bring to the board, against all ridicule.  The truth is good to know no matter what it is and you deserve credit.  

I, for one, believe we could survive 16 trillion in debt and 4 trillion in quantitative easing - if we would get our act together today but we aren't.

Don't forget that the control in the increases in spending happened under these horrible PR disasters for the Republican House.  Boehner with his cigarette and his tan who none of us think puts a good face or words on our message surrendered to spending a trillion above where it should be has won the argument from there in the sense that the slope of the spending curve is no longer straight up.  Obama didn't do that, but he 'succeeded' in making a trillion more in temporary, emergency spending permanent.

Federal Spending at 22% of GDP when most people pay zero is still abominable.  At 25% we were at amazingly depressed levels of GDP so the 22% is with no cut in spending.  Yes 22% is better than ratios during utter collapse when we were losing tens of trillions in wealth but if we compare this to 'normal' we are still way off track.  18% of GDP is where spending should have been capped in the Balanced Budget Amendment, maybe 19% in compromise with big government liberals, with super majorities required to ever anything above that level (IMHO).  

Misleading in those numbers (the 22%) is that it takes the measurement after the world's largest entitlement ever (?) Obamacare has been passed but has no spending, speaking of unfunded liabilities!  Also it is the last year of tax receipts before a multitude of new GDP killing tax rate increases, federal and state, apply.  We can't really follow that trend line forward when we know we have already changed the rules.  

We make healthcare more affordable by levying a new tax on medical devices and strive to reach full employment by nailing every company that hits 50 full time employees.  Cause spending to go up and relative GDP growth to go down.  Nothing but cognitive dissonance if getting a handle on spending was anyone's objective.

A simpler way than dollars of changing value is look at the ratio of people who will be pulling the wagon versus how many will ride in it.  We are gaining in population while we are losing people from our workforce.  We are making more and more rules to worsen that and reelecting the people who are causing it.  We are offering to pay for far more of people's basic living expenses to not work, not work full time or to not maximize their income while we increase the penalties on the dwindling numbers who do.  We are chasing existing businesses overseas while putting concrete barriers in front of our would-be startups, the big employers of tomorrow.  Take all current trend lines forward and the budget problem doesn't get solved; it only gets worse.  
3893  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Government programs & regulations, spending, deficit, and budget process on: March 05, 2013, 07:49:09 AM
Thomas Sowell:

"Back in my teaching days, many years ago, one of the things I liked to ask the class to consider was this: Imagine a government agency with only two tasks: (1) building statues of Benedict Arnold and (2) providing life-saving medications to children. If this agency's budget were cut, what would it do?

The answer, of course, is that it would cut back on the medications for children. Why? Because that would be what was most likely to get the budget cuts restored. If they cut back on building statues of Benedict Arnold, people might ask why they were building statues of Benedict Arnold in the first place."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/03/05/budget_politics_117268.html#ixzz2Mfmw6iyv
3894  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Government programs & regulations, spending, deficit, and budget process on: March 04, 2013, 06:20:11 PM
That is a great graph GM!  It tells so much more context than the 2 1/2 french fries out of Big Mac meal analogy which is the calorie cutback from the baseline up from the extreme, make temporary spending permanent, peak.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/02/how-much-would-the-sequester-cut-into-a-big-mac-extra-value-meal.php

How about spending at Bill Clinton levels if that was the last great, Democratic, fiscal President who cared and truily felt our pain.  We would have a trillion dollar surplus right now.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year2000_0.html
3895  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Walter Russell Mead: The World and its Leaders on: March 04, 2013, 10:51:00 AM
Walter Russell Mead writing on Friday, March 1, online for the American Interest:

Financial markets around the world reeled when the Italians rejected the European status quo and their own political establishment in the last election. This should not have come as such a surprise; few political establishments anywhere in the democratic world are as spectacularly rotten as Italy's, and the European status quo is the biggest man-made policy disaster since the fall of the Iron Curtain.

Italian voters don't have a lot of use for their leaders, and it's hard to say they are wrong. The left wants to preserve the unsustainable, the right doesn't have what it takes, and the center is dominated by short term, self centered careerists whizzing through the well oiled revolving doors that connect business with government. But how different are politics elsewhere? Voters ultimately weary of repeat policy failure by the well connected and well educated, and whether you look at Europe, the United States or Japan, the failures of national leadership keep piling up.

Americans often like to believe that our problems are as exceptional as our strengths, but our stale and ineffective political establishment looks a lot like its peers around the world. The American elite is not alone in its inconsequential futility and its lack of strategic vision; world leaders everywhere are falling down on the job.

The assumption that the people guiding the destinies of the world's major powers know what they are doing is a comforting one, but there's not a lot of evidence to support it. The "pass it to find out what's in it" health care 'reform' in the United States, the vast stinking policy corpse that is European monetary union, the failure of establishments everywhere to figure out the simple arithmetical problems that our welfare states are encountering because of the demographic transition, the metastasizing tumor of corruption also known as the Chinese Communist Party: none of these suggest that the world is being governed with unusual wisdom.
3896  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: California - people leaving, not only the rich on: March 04, 2013, 10:43:06 AM
"Over the past two decades, a net 3.4 million people have moved out of California for other states."  (The non-rich far outnumber the rich also leaving Calif.)

"Roughly 40% of the people leaving are Hispanic."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324338604578326402863024028.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

My guess looking at these figures and circumstances, generalizing, is that the people wanting to work are the most likely to leave and the people comfortably on programs are the most likely to stay.

What could possibly go wrong?

3897  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Govt spending, deficit, debt, Shouldn't the Treasury be borrowing at 30 years? on: March 04, 2013, 10:32:34 AM
A home owner would not want one year mortgage, yet the Treasury keeps doing that even though we know interest rate will return to normal adding interest costs of perhaps a trillion a year to our spending.

WSJ today: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323978104578330320974074546.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

...the maturity structure of U.S. debt is quite short. I estimate that our government rolls over 40% of its debt every year, and 65% within three years, accounting for Federal Reserve holdings, coupon payments and use market values.
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Short term at near zero interest is GREAT if you plan to pay it off soon.  Bernancke, Geithner, Obama and Lew are doing more damage to our country right now that what we can immediately measure.

3898  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Tax bills for rich families approach 30-year high on: March 04, 2013, 08:36:46 AM
That is pretty good reporting by the AP and pretty good analysis by the not always non-partisan TPC.  Still the problem is understated:

"Last week, Senate Democrats were unable to advance their proposal to raise taxes on some wealthy families for the second time this year as part of a package to avoid automatic spending cuts."

No.  They were trying to raise taxes on the rich for the 3rd, 4th or 5th time this year.  More Obamacare taxes just went into effect, plus one might include state taxes like in Calif and Minn if one is really trying to measure the combined effects of failed policies.

"For example, the Internal Revenue Service tracks tax returns for the 400 highest-paid filers each year. Those taxpayers made an average of $202 million in 2009, the latest year available. Their average federal income tax rate: 19.9 percent."

My apologies to civility on the board but it is such a God damned lie for informed people to write so inaccurately.  In order for a top income return to pay at the 15% rate, now 20% rate, they are including long term capital gains which by definition over our entire lifetimes includes an inflation component which is not income in any sense at all.  Also much of those gains were corporate and therefore quadruple taxed while they point out how 'small' one component out of four can be.

Then for the middle and lower income taxpayers they include FICA to make comparisons which I did not think was part of the federal income tax.  But lower income workers get a nice return an social security and medicare payments while higher income people do not.

Other than that, good news that someone is pointing out that we are heading back to the Jimmy Carter days as the alarmists among us have warned.
3899  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Military Science and Military Issues on: March 04, 2013, 08:19:47 AM
Before we close the argument...

a) Suppose we substitute the imprecise term 'third world military' with just a US military unable to address the threats we face.

b) The political movement of unilateral disarmament currently led by Pres. Barack Obama is not a 4 year proposition.  The LBJ programs for poverty, for example, lived on far beyond his Presidency.  The Carter disarmament lasted beyond his years and could have lasted permanently. 

The Obama approach of apologizing and bowing has not had the success that peace through strength and deterrence once had.  The time to oppose all bad policies is early and often.
3900  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Media Issues - Woodward regret? on: March 03, 2013, 05:26:26 PM
I did not know until after the “I think you will regret staking out this claim” email that Bob Woodward isn't such a perfect journalist:

Looks like John Cassidy at the New Yorker had a well researched article about Woodward's alleged misses ready to go to print by Feb 28.

I didn't know about this Woodward scandal:

"In 1988, he published “Veil: The Secret Wars of the C.I.A., 1981-1987,” which contained his famous account of a deathbed conversation with William Casey, the former C.I.A. director. Casey, according to Woodward’s telling, admitted that he knew about the illegal diversion of monies from Iranian arms sales to the Nicaraguan Contras. “His head jerked up hard,” Woodward wrote. “He stared, and finally nodded yes.” “Why?” Woodward asked. Casey whispered, “I believed.” Did it happen like that? Even today, it’s a matter of dispute. In 2010, a former C.I.A. employee, who was part of Casey’s security detail, claimed Woodward “fabricated” the story after being turned away from Casey’s room at Georgetown University Hospital. Woodward dismissed the agent’s statement, saying agency guards were not present around the clock. Whatever the truth of this particular detail, there is no doubt that Woodward had a great deal of access to Casey. According to C.I.A. records, the director spoke with Woodward forty-three times while he was working on the book. Whether or not Casey coughed up the deathbed admission, “Veil” contains a wealth of previously undisclosed details about C.I.A. operations."

I didn't know about this criticism of Woodward:

The real rap on Woodward isn’t that he makes things up. It’s that he takes what powerful people tell him at face value; that his accounts are shaped by who coöperates with him and who doesn’t; and that they lack context, critical awareness, and, ultimately, historic meaning. In a 1996 essay for the New York Review of Books, Joan Didion wrote that “measurable cerebral activity is virtually absent” from Woodward’s post-Watergate books, which are notable mainly for “a scrupulous passivity, an agreement to cover the story not as it is occurring but as it is presented, which is to say as it is manufactured.”

How many knew that Woodward's book about praising Greenspan as "Maestro" was so ill-timed:

"Woodward’s 2000 book on Alan Greenspan, “Maestro,” which was clearly based on extensive access to the Fed chairman, is a good example of what Didion was talking about. As an inside account of what Greenspan said and did and thought, it was a useful primer, and, as with all of Woodward’s books, it included some arresting, if largely irrelevant, narrative details, such as one in which the great man, disturbed by his wife, Andrea Mitchell’s, desire for a canine companion, asks one of his colleagues, the chairman of the Philadelphia Fed, “Well, how do you tell your wife you don’t want a dog?” But as a guide to the impact of Greenspan’s policies, or the real significance of his rise to a godlike status, “Maestro” wasn’t much help at all. Less than a year after it was published, the stock-market bubble that Greenspan had helped to inflate burst, and the country was plunged into a recession."

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/johncassidy/2013/02/bob-woodward-throws-an-interception.html#ixzz2MWOHpPD3

Now the narrative on Woodward is becoming that he was a Watergate-era, one-hit wonder.  

“I think [Woodward] will regret staking out this claim” about Obama moving the goal posts.
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Some younger journalists were allegedly treated worse than Woodward by the Obama administration:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/beat_the_press_96lFrUNync5zuBZTiZ6aUL

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