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5851  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Fast and Furious, Eric Holder 'misunderstood the question' on: October 06, 2011, 10:46:29 AM
We now know he lied about what he knew when saying he just learned about in the last few weeks a year after he was briefed.  His no.2 and no.3 were intimately involved and he wouldn't know what they were doing on the job?  Why wouldn't he be fired just for being out of the loop in his own department, if that story were true?

I can't believe the coverup is aimed at Holder instead of Obama.  Is it realistic that a cross border operation did not have the authorization from the highest levels of BOTH the American and Mexican?

What could possibly go wrong sending artillery into a neighboring civil war zone.

This is story is breaking out like a slowly dripping faucet.  A CBS reporter silenced in the face of screaming from administration officials and with pressure from the reporter's higher-ups.

Wouldn't they want to get this behind them sooner rather than later- with an election coming up next year?  They should have put what mistakes they made behind them last May instead of next November.
5852  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / The cognitive dissonance of the left, why didn't they regulate (Steve) Jobs on: October 06, 2011, 10:25:52 AM
God Bless Steve Jobs.  He was a hero to people from all political stripes who love the innovations and value his company and products brought to their lives.  Curious, what leftist government program made all that he accomplished possible?  Certainly not the pro-abortion agenda.  Jobs was born an unwanted child to an unmarried couple and was successfully adopted.

State-centric economies never make creative advances like the ones Jobs pioneered to market.  The profits that Jobs drove were a measure of the enterprising  impact he had on our civilization, not a subtraction from it. 

Personal computers, sound systems and cellphones have amazing, how important are those?  Someone over at central planning must have thought those products and industries were not crucial and just allowed them to run free.  What was the result?  Consistent declines in prices year after year over decades combined with unfathomable advances in performance, quality, features, usability and value.  Meanwhile over at all industries we designate as crucial such as healthcare, transportation, agriculture, education, housing, banking, you name it,  we take the opposite, failed approach.  Staffers of subcommittees in Washington are meeting as we speak to regulate out the next potential innovation.
5853  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / 2012 Presidential: Hearburn for those trying to warm up to Romney on: October 06, 2011, 09:52:02 AM
I am one who is trying to warm up to Romney.  He is making it very difficult.

Steven Hayword of Powerlineblog, Weekly Standard, Natrional Review, author of 'Age of Reagen', PhD, Clairmont Scholar, AEI Fellow, has written for New York Times, Wall Street Journal,  Chicago Tribune, San Francisco Chronicle... aka biased blogger writes:

October 6, 2011 by Steven Hayward in 2012 Presidential election

The Eternal Cluelessness of the Romney Mind

Mitt Romney has been looking steady and solid in recent weeks, especially compared to the rest of the field, which has stumbled (Perry’s debate performances) or bumbled (Bachman’s overkill of the vaccine issue).  This is, as I mentioned a few weeks back, to be expected of a first tier candidate on his second run for the office.  He’s seen big league pitching before, and is now comfortable at the plate, able to hit the hard sliders and spitballs that come with a modern presidential campaign.

Still. . .  A friend reminded me the other day of a detail I had forgotten from the last time around.  When asked about his favorite book in 2008, Romney answered with the Bible, and then added . . . L. Ron Hubbard’s Battlefield Earth.   Great.  It’s not enough just to be a Mormon, which presents its own set of cultural challenges for a candidate.  It really takes a special kind of cluelessness to embrace the ur-text of what is, at best, a religious cult, and more likely a borderline racketeering enterprise.  Does Romney really have no one around him who can talk sense to him?

This morning’s Wall Street Journal brings a fresh dose of heartburn for those of us willfully trying to warm up to Romney, with a front-page story on Romney’s environmental record during his governorship of Massachusetts.  Now, I’ve argued for a long time that Republicans ought to be able to handle environmental issues with more finesse, but from the looks of this story Romney hasn’t got it.  There’s this quote from Romney, outside a coal-fired power plant that he wanted to rein in somehow:

    “I will not create jobs or hold jobs that kill people, and that plant—that plant—kills people.”

Where to begin with this kind of idiocy?  And if we’re going to have that kind of idiocy, why not just elect Al Gore?

He wasn’t finished.  When helping to design the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (“Reggie” for short), the northeastern state’s attempt to start their own cap-and-trade system that is now slowly collapsing (having barely got off the ground in the first place), Romney said: “These carbon emission limits will provide real and immediate progress in the battle to protect the environment.”  No, they wouldn’t, even if catastrophic global warming were true.  If you wiped Massachusetts off the face of the earth entirely (come to think of it, this is a nice thought experiment isn’t it?), it would make no difference in the climate models.  It wouldn’t even make a rounding error in the climate models.  This man is fundamentally unserious about thinking for himself, or offering anything outside a narrow range of conventional opinion.

Where can I get a Herman Cain bumper sticker?
5854  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Government spending: 10 Wasteful Stimulus Programs, Who knew?! on: October 05, 2011, 11:42:16 AM

1, A Visitor's Center With No Visitors

$554,763 to the U.S. Forest Service to allow it to replace the windows in a visitors center at Mount St. Helens, Wash., that is currently closed and which the Forest Service has no plans to reopen.
2. A Museum Off the Rails

$1.2 million to convert an abandoned train station in Glassboro, N.J., that has been boarded up and unused for 40 years, into “a museum, public meeting space and welcome center.”
3. Analyzing Ants

$1.9 million to allow the California Academy of Sciences to send researchers to the Southwest Indian Ocean Islands and east Africa, to capture, photograph, and analyze thousands of exotic ants--with the photographs to be posted on AntWeb, a Web site devoted to organizing and displaying pictures and information on the world’s thousands of ant species.
4. Monkey Business

$677,462 to researchers at Georgia State University to study why monkeys respond negatively to inequity and unfairness.
5. Artificial Comedy

$712,883 to researchers at Northwestern University using stimulus money in an effort utilizing “artificial intelligence” that will mine jokes from the Internet and “use them to create hilarious presentations that mimic real-life comedians.”
6. Divining Neptune

$456,663 to University of California, Berkeley to support their getting a better understanding of the global circulation in the atmosphere and altitude of clouds on the planet Neptune.
7. Yoga vs. Hot Flashes

$294,958 so that researchers at Wake Forest University can study whether Integral Yoga “can be an effective method to reduce the frequency and/or severity of hot flashes” in menopausal women.
8. Big Brother's Recycling Bins

$500,000 to pay for blue, 96-gallon, microchip-embedded recycling bins for the city of Dayton, Ohio. “The microchips, which use radio frequency identification technology, are installed in the bin handles, and will be used by the city to track citizen participation in the recycling program.” In addition to paying for at least 8,000 bins and equipping collection trucks to read the microchips, another “$500,000 will pay for a consultant to design a campaign promoting recycling.”
9. Better Skiing Through Tax Dollars

$25 million to Mt. Snow in West Dover, Vt., “to replace the Summit Local and Sunbrook chairlifts, construct a 120-million-gallon storage pond for snowmaking, and install additional snowmaking fan guns” that take advantage of a provision in the stimulus that make funds available for “ski area capital improvements.”
10. Meta-Stimulus

$193,956 to researchers at Houston’s Rice University and the University of Texas in Dallas, who are getting money through the National Science Foundation to “estimate the impact of stimulus funds on the perceptions of citizens and the choices of local community decision makers” or, in other words, to do a stimulus-funding study of how people feel about the stimulus.
How's YOUR stimulus going? In spite of equal protection under the law being an essential part of our society enshrined in the highest law in the land, I did not receive any money or benefit from any of these.
5855  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Legal Issues created by the War with Islamic Fascism on: October 05, 2011, 11:25:27 AM
Yes, Newt is right but it is with backhanded compliments that he credits Obama for abandoning his passivist campaign rhetoric and in a 180 reversal continues the hard line anti-terror policies of the previous administration.  Being a critic was easy.  Being responsible for our security is hard.  Can anyone imagine the media and public uproar if the acceleration of drone activity across sovereign lines was happening under a conservative Republican.  Even the killing of OBL would have been highly controversial.

Killing OBL and killing the Yemeni terrorists were great accomplishments, but taking the legs out figuratively of the leftists at home who normally criticize these actions was just as important for our future security.
5856  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness: Fast and Furious on: October 04, 2011, 11:07:54 PM
I have wanted to hear someone coherently explain the motive of the scandal so that we might understand what they were trying to do and what they are now hiding.

Please correct if this is wrong.  Rush L the all time home run leader of political commentary (aka biased blogger) took a stab at it today while I was listening briefly.  It went something like this:

The Obamites were sending guns across the border so that they would be found in violent acts  and then they could use that information to argue for greater cutailment of gun sales in the U.S.

Far fetched or was that obvious to everyone but me?  Someone else have a better explanation?
5857  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Victor Davis Hanson: The Coming Post-Obama Renaissance on: October 04, 2011, 10:30:38 AM
"That change of mood will lead the way to necessary reform in a way a less harmful McCain administration could not have achieved: greater revenue from tax simplification, tax reduction, and greater tax compliance, less regulations, entitlement reform, and budgetary discipline. Obama is doing to liberal politics what no right-wing activist could dream up."
"sadder but wiser Americans will soon be turned loose with a vigor unseen in decades"

Hanson has a PhD from Stanford and teaches History at Stanford, authored more than 20 books with some of the greatest insights I've ever read.  Don't be fooled, though, he is also a 'biased blogger'.  If you are unable to appreciate fact and analysis from one the greatest minds of our time because it comes from a biased blog, please do not read or comment.  For the rest, this is good material.  Please read and enjoy.  Brighter days are coming.

The Coming Post-Obama Renaissance
by Victor Davis Hanson

The Parting of the Clouds

In every literary, historical or cinematic masterpiece, times must grow darkest before the sunrise and deliverance. Tolkien worked that classical theme to great effect. A sense of fatalism overtook a seemingly doomed Gondor — right before the overthrow of Barad-dûr and the dawn of a new age of men. The historian Herodotus, in literary fashion, also brilliantly juxtaposed the Greek collapse at Thermopylae (the Spartan King Leonidas’ head impaled on a stake), and the Persian firing of an abandoned Athens, with Themistocles’s sudden salvation of Western civilization at Salamis. In the classic Western film, hopelessness pervades until out of nowhere a Shane rides in.

What Was Hope and Change?

We are living in an age of such morality tales, though the depressing cycle reminds us that the gloom is hardly fiction or artistry. For those with a little capital there is only a sinking stock market. It seems to wipe out more of their 401(k)s each week, as if each month cancels out yet another year of prior thrift. Near zero interest means any money on deposit is only insurance, not any more a source of income. Millions are trapped in their unsold houses, either underwater or facing an end to any dreams of tapping equity by sale.

And for the greater number without savings? Stagnant GDP, 9.1 unemployment, another $5 trillion in debt, $1.6 trillion annual deficits, and sky-high fuel and food prices have combined to crush any notion of upward mobility. (If in 2004 5.7% unemployment was supposed to mark a “jobless recovery,” what exactly is 9.1% called? If Bush’s average $500 billion deficits over eight years were abhorrent, what must we say of Obama’s average $1.6 trillion over three? Really bad?)

In response, the Obama administration — let me be candid here — seems clueless, overpopulated as it is by policy nerds, academic overachievers, and tenured functionaries (cf. Larry Summers’ “there is no adult in charge”). They tend to flash Ivy League certificates, but otherwise have little record of achievement in the private sector. Officials seem to think that long ago test scores, a now Neolithic nod from an Ivy League professor, or a past prize translates into knowing what makes America run in places like Idaho and southern Michigan.

Yes, I know that Steven Chu is “brilliant” and a Nobel laureate. But that means no more than suggesting that laureate Paul Krugman was right about adding even more trillions to the debt. My neighbors know enough not to quip, as the know-it-all Chu did, that California farms (the most productive in the U.S.) will dry up and blow away, or gas prices should reach European levels, or Americans can’t be trusted to buy the right light bulbs, or a failed Solyndra just needed millions more of taxpayers’ money.

Solyndra and Van Jones are the metaphors of these times, reminding us of the corruption of the very notion of “green.” In the age of Al Gore, it has eroded from a once noble ideal of conservation to a tawdry profit- and job-scam for assorted hucksters and snake-oil salesmen. Without the lofty hype and shake-down, most otherwise would have had to find productive jobs. Tragically, “green” is the new refuge of scoundrels.

Costal del Sol Community Organizing?

I fear we have not seen such a divisive president since Richard Nixon. Suddenly there is a new fiscal Rubicon. Those crossing $200,000 in annual income now are to be suspect (“fat cat,” “corporate jet owner,” “millionaires and billionaires” [note how the two are sloppily associated — as if 1/1000 the wealth of one is still approximate to the other ]); those still on the other bank, are far more inherently noble (cf. Michelle Obama’s selfless legions, who, like the first couple, supposedly were to take her advice to turn down guaranteed riches in the abhorrent, but easy, corporate sector, to take on a life of noble service and relative poverty as hard-working community organizers and reps).

When did immigration law become embedded within the racial industry? If millions of Koreans were entering the U.S. illegally, would the National Council of La Raza insist on their amnesty, or be indifferent, or worry that such an influx might tax existing social services that provide for U.S. citizen poor? Did we ever have a president who issued a video (cf. 2010) appealing to constituents by their race, or suggested that border enforcement was equivalent to “moats” and “alligators,” or beseeched his Latino allies “to punish our enemies”? Is the president trying to turn enforcement of a federal statute into community organizing?

The Black Caucus has sadly become a caricature of itself, bewildered that Great Society II has further decimated the black community — now in racial solidarity with a failing president, now lashing out at the Tea Party. Yet the latter’s advocacy of fiscal discipline, greater deregulation, oil exploration, smaller government, and entitlement reform would unleash the private sector — and, to use the administration lingo, really create for the inner cities “millions of new jobs.”

So we are all confused by this new Morgan Freeman-esque (one of my favorite actors) racial illogicality: electing Obama was proof of racial harmony; but criticizing him proof of racialism; wanting to end his policies (that have impoverished black America most of all) borders on racism; expanding what will further harm blacks is proof of racial harmony? So one was supposed to vote for Obama to prove himself not racist, and then to stay quiet to ensure that he was still not racist? *

Readers will add here the end of an investigative media, ObamaCare, the new Solyndra and Fast and Furious scandals, “lead from behind” foreign policy, spread-the-wealth demonization of business, crony capitalism, punitive measures against everyone from guitar makers to plane manufacturers, distrust of oil and gas producers, Eric Holder’s politicized Justice Department, and so on.

OK—So Why the Optimism?

Why, then, do I see blue sky and a break in the present storms? For a variety of very good reasons.

Quite Exceptional, In Fact

The American Constitution remains singular and ensures a stable form of government of the sort absent in a Russia, China, the Islamic world, and even (or especially) the EU. Yes, I know Obama has mused that democracy is suddenly “messy” and he lamented to the La Razistas that he couldn’t quite enact legislation by fiat. And, yes, the governor of North Carolina, in revolutionary fashion, just wondered why we could not suspend congressional elections for a bit, while former budget director Peter Orszag (did he not get his trillions in “stimulus” from a Democratic Congress before he fled to Citicorp?) now dreams of a way of running around democratic “gridlock.” But for all that sudden liberal lamentation that the noble ends cannot be achieved by any means necessary, our system of government remains. And it will ensure us a stability abjectly absent elsewhere in the world.

Saudi America

Second, even Barack Obama cannot stop the oil and gas industries. Their brilliant new technologies and entrepreneurialism may well turn us into a fuel depot like Saudi Arabia, doubling our proven oil and gas reserves. Soon someone is going to see that our own natural gas can power millions of cars, freeing our foreign policy from Gulf authoritarians. We are poised for an oil boom not seen since the age of Texas and Oklahoma wildcatting. With a friendly new administration and more exploration out West, offshore, in the Gulf and in Alaska to augment the Dakotas oil renaissance, we will soon save hundreds of billions of dollars in imported fuel costs, stop subsidizing our enemies, perhaps help to lower energy prices worldwide, create “millions of new jobs,” and give a larger window of opportunity for solar, batteries, and alternative energies to become more efficient and cost competitive in the free market.

Pressure Is Building

Third, private enterprise is hoarding cash, uncertain over the costs of ObamaCare, in fear of more regulations and higher taxes, stung by “at some point you’ve made enough money” harassing bluster, and still convinced that equally cautious consumers are simply not buying. Yet, the country is still growing, still needs new homes, more food, and more energy. There are few strikes. Americans remain more self-reliant than our competitors. We are not a shrinking nation with the demographic crises of a Europe or Russia. Soon the mounting pressure will be released by a new change in government and we will see a recovery that should have occurred more than two years ago when the recession officially “ended” in June 2009 — only all the more enhanced due to its delay. When Obama leaves office, there will be a sense of psychological release in the business community that will lead to a far greater “stimulus” than printing more money.

Tempered by Fire

Fourth, that psychology of catharsis that accompanies the end of this administration will last for sometime. The next time Keynesians lecture us on more borrowing or greater spending (fill in the blanks), Americans will perhaps ask, “So we need to borrow at least $5 trillion within three years? Keep interest rates at near zero? Vastly inflate the money supply? Extend unemployment insurance to over 100 weeks? Exceed 50 million on food stamps?”

With an inept Carter, the left’s lament was “weak messenger.” With the triangulating Clinton, it was “weak message.” With Obama, despite the recent defections and liberal angst, there were both the messianic messenger and the true-blue message. What’s left? The American people turned on both in less than two years. That change of mood will lead the way to necessary reform in a way a less harmful McCain administration could not have achieved: greater revenue from tax simplification, tax reduction, and greater tax compliance, less regulations, entitlement reform, and budgetary discipline. Obama is doing to liberal politics what no right-wing activist could dream up.

Lead from the Front

Fifth, we tried UN multilateralism. We asked permission from the Arab League to intervene in Libya. We celebrated treating enemies and friends alike as neutrals. It did not quite work. Israel is still a democracy; its neighbors still are not. Europe’s leaders still accuse Obama as much as they did Bush. Hussein as a middle name means nothing to the Middle East. Putin is still Putin, and China still is China. Soon we will return to a quiet sense of American exceptionalism, but this time more so, given that the naysayers have had their naysay. Proper appreciation of U.S. global power and moral international citizenship likewise will restore confidence. I don’t think we will hear anymore that Bush turned off theocratic Iran, that Bush radicalized the Palestinians, that Bush destroyed relations with Turkey or Pakistan, or alienated Russia. In all these cases, things are about the same as in 2008 — or much worse.


Finally, the U.S. military has only improved in the last decade. It secured Iraq against all odds. Its Predator drones, in challenge and response fashion, have outpaced the new terrorism.

The domestic critique of the Bush-Cheney anti-terrorism protocols has been rendered mere partisanship by the Obama embrace or expansion of nearly every element that was once demonized between 2002-8. Obama’s unintended legacy is to legitimize Guantanamo, Iraq, renditions, tribunals, preventative detention, the Patriot Act, and so on. A Barack Obama who demagogued waterboarding won’t again — unless waterboarding three self-confessed mass-murdering terrorists is a “war crime” while blowing up over 2,000 suspected terrorists (and any in their vicinity, including U.S. citizens) with judge/jury/executioner missiles is not. (I think the current administration’s idea is simply that the more we vaporize in Waziristan, the less hassle we have with live suspects at Gitmo — again, on the rationale that a current senator, posing like Obama in 2007, can always have a field day with a captive live person in U.S. custody, but not so much with a dead one on foreign soil.)

Brighter Days

I, like many, am worried about the Republican field — as is the custom at this early stage. There is more to be endured in 2012. The Obama decline will spark venomous politics of the sort we haven’t seen in years. This time hope and change will be even more “Bush did it!/’You’re all racists!/“They” will take your Social Security.” The financial crisis is not over. We are not yet at the beginning of the end for statism, but the Churchillian end of its new beginning.

Still, let us cheer up a bit. The country always knew, but for just a bit forgot, that you cannot print money and borrow endlessly. It always knew that bureaucrats were less efficient than employers. It knew that Guantanamo was not a gulag and Iraq was not “lost.” But given the anguish over Iraq, the anger at Bush, the Obama postracial novelty and “centrist” façade, and the Freddie/Fannie/Wall Street collapse, it wanted to believe what it knew might not be true. Now three years of Obama have slapped voters out of their collective trance.

The spell has now passed; and we are stronger for its passing. There is going to be soon a sense of relief that we have not experienced in decades. In short, sadder but wiser Americans will soon be turned loose with a vigor unseen in decades.
5858  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential, Perry's new problem? on: October 04, 2011, 09:52:11 AM
I don't quite get it either.  They leased land and he was hunting with his Dad.   I just don't know what the meaning of it.  It was someone else's name for the land, they wanted to hunt on the land and painted over the rock. Maybe they waited too long to paint over the rock, but you probably don't carry paint when you hunt and they were not owners of the land.  It wasn't a club of racists that he joined.  It was hunting land probably rich with animals.  The land wasn't racist.  

Did his Dad have the rock painted over before or after a public controversy?  Obviously before but either way, isn't painting over that name on a rock the opposite of racism - an act of putting racism behind us??  

These scandals usually tie to a pattern to be effective.  In Perry's case he is a known tea party enthusiast and therefore it fits a totally false story line about racism.  In fact, Perry appointed an African American Chief of Staff and Texas Supreme Court Chief Justice.  Those don't follow the pattern very well.  One is a position as high up as his own and the other is the top work with him every day with full trust.

Sounds so far to me like the press smells a George Allen moment.  I don't know anyone who knows what a macaca is, but if Rick Perry or even his Dad had or were caught joking or proud of the rock, then I see a problem.  None of that seems to be part of this story.

Maybe Jon Stewart can shed some light:

I guess not.  Stewart laughed and his audience applauded the name.  Also insensitive and hardly offended.  His short clip of Perry's bad debate performance looks more damaging to me.
5859  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: US Economics, the stock market , and other investment/savings strategies on: October 03, 2011, 10:18:43 PM
CCP,  My advice is just read Wesbury for the facts.  Statements like highest in 3 months remind me that one of my salesmen told the owner of our company that we doubled our sales last year in our division and won a national award.  He was surprised to hear the reaction that two times sh*t is still sh*t.  We were not their largest division.

Wesbury missed the crash of 2000, so did every other prognosticator except the ones who missed the entire runup to it.  Greenspan for one called it irrational exuberance in December 1996 - the tech crash began in March 2000.  Qualcomm for one went up 2400% in 1999.  Anyone following the doomsayers missed that, and remember fiber optic supplier JDSU IIRC had a billion dollars in the bank and all fiber optic companies had triple digit industry growth forecasts at the time the market came  down.  I had my largest fiber optic contract during that time - in the re-building of Kuwait.

"Get twenty economists in a room and they will give different ideas about where the economy is going."

Yes, or worse they will all give you a forecast within a couple of percent of consensus and they will all be right or all be wrong.  What I'm saying is that forecasting is done by looking out the rear view mirror.  No one has a window into the future. Take the facts from Wesbury and discount the prognostications.  Wesbury is only alleging something like 1% growth.  Breakeven growth is something like 3.1% growth.  If this economy is seriously coming out of its tailspin it would be growing at 4+% sustained growth.  It isn't.  Wesbury is only saying that the growth rate is not negative by accepted measurement standards. IMO, when counting the trillions of injected money diluting our currency and lowering our future standard of living, in reality we are moving backwards right now - at a frightening pace.  
5860  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Tax Policy on: October 03, 2011, 10:26:13 AM
Obama's tax policy:  Take from the millionaires...and give it to the trillionaires.
5861  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Government programs & regulations, spending, deficit, and budget process on: October 03, 2011, 10:23:20 AM
Crony capitalism socialism.

Even socialism implies a more equal outcome than having your government take from you to prop up your competitor.
5862  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: October 03, 2011, 09:55:14 AM
CCP, Yes.  At this point let him go down with no one else in waiting to carry that torch.

One positive sign from the Cain media blitz:  In his one word type answers about his rivals, about Newt Gingrich he said "Brilliant".

Newt is brilliant but Newt needs a boss.  He will make a great policy adviser to the Cain administration, or whoever wins.  Someone with wisdom needs to pick from the best of the Newt ideas and follow them to conclusion.
5863  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Economics on: October 03, 2011, 09:47:14 AM
"How are ordinary people to protect themselves from this war on savings and money itself?"

Change course.   smiley

Unfortunately, ordinary people right now don't have savings.  Open equity lines with low interest became the new savings and now people have neither.
5864  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential, We don't have a Dem nominee yet either on: October 03, 2011, 09:31:05 AM
One point picked up only by Dick Morris so far is that if Obama were to not run or lose in 2012 he would be a relatively young man and still eligible to run for President in the future.  Ex-presidents have good perks, can sell books and speeches and have a pretty easy lifestyle.  I'm sure he preferred being the critic to being the one responsible.  The wife some say is sick of the routine, most recently sent strategically to shop at Target while tipping off AP cameramen is about as low as it gets.  The shoes she wore to the homeless shelter and the clothes she wore on the Spanish villa vacation do not come from Target.  Several ex-Presidents have looked better out than they did in office.  We know that he has more state by state polling than we do and we know it isn't pretty.  There was nothing Republicans could done other than govern better to win in 2006.  There was nothing Dems could have done to win in 2010 other than to have governed better. He has the economic forecasts.  He knows the score as well as anyone.  His JOBS plan is DOA even with Senate Democrats.  Other than adopt an Athur Laffer agenda, what does he have left to turn this around, stimulus no. 8?  Even if he wins based only on personal appeal he will have a Republican House and a Republican Senate and near zero approval of his economic agenda.  The first two years of the second term is a lousy time to be doing nothing but vetoes and fighting off the agenda of a congress he used to control.  He is not exactly the new guy with charisma fresh out from under the Greek columns anymore.  We don't have inside the party divisiveness of 1968 but in terms of timing, LBJ did not drop out until after he won the New Hampshire primary and Bobby Kennedy who had the best chance of winning did not announce his candidacy until mid-March of election year.

At this point, what could revive his popularity better than saying he wants to spend more time with his family.  Those girls, they grow up so fast.
5865  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential, Cain supported TARP on: October 02, 2011, 10:36:29 PM
I wrote about TARP and the other stimuli here:

TARP did some questionable things like bail out investment houses and money to foreign central banks, but it also attempted quash the panic and prop up financial insured banks that could have followed what already fell.  For what was known then and for what advice he would have gotten from his trusted people  inside the Fed as former head of the Kansas City Fed, it is a sign that he wasn't an ideological purist. It wasn't as bad as Stimulus 2-7 but it was a flawed deal. I would probably forgive either side of this issue in the heat of the panic.  Bush, McCain, Obama, Bernancke, Summers, Paulsen, Volcker, Geithner and all the expert staffers supported this as necessary to avoid meltdown.  As Cain suggests, hardly the place to draw a hard line in 2011-2012 to say Cain is a big government liberal.  In fact it could be Cain bringing up a difference with tea party purists in an attempt to start reaching toward the center.
In other Cain news, the media blitz is on, Leno:

Cain on ABC This Week:
5866  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Economics, Bond Vigilantes on: October 02, 2011, 12:42:57 PM
My understanding is that back when the Fed operated under some set of rules, markets dictated interest rates.  Prices and yields of Treasury bonds today are not real because, as he put it, "the Fed's huge expansion of the monetary base" and that a good part of the rest is going to central banks who are looking for storage of funds more than yield.  If we had to sell debt up to the entire revenue shortfall, interests rates would be through the roof.  he is right that the masking of the underlying problem enables it to continue and escalate and he shows how it causes other problems, the pension system collapse and the drying up of private lending and investment as examples prolonging and worsening what is already wrong.  It is a ticking time bomb. 

He says in closing: "Perhaps Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke should think more about how the Fed's near-zero interest rate policy has undermined fiscal discipline while corrupting the operation of the nation's financial markets."

Yes, but when tight money precedes growth policies, like when Paul Volcker tightened while Tip O'Neill's congress delayed tax cuts, the temporary unemploymentsurge was huge.  Today it would be catastrophic.  We need to solve both.
5867  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The congnitive dissonance of the left on: October 02, 2011, 12:00:21 PM
"All true, but also worth noting is how bad the Republican offering was.  For example, just what do you think McCain would have done for/to the economy?"

I am no McCain fan, but he would have been less than half as bad on economics.  He would not obviously have pursued Pelosi-ObamaCare which is the number one tax and regulatory burden sitting out there killing off hiring and growth.  He would floundered through half of a stimulus, he would have taken half this long to get good economic advice. 

His approval rating would be worse now than Obama because of the pounding of stories about a bad economy and 3 wars even though unemployment might be at 7% instead of 9% and it would now be the Republicans losing seats and facing a bad election cycle for an economy half as bad.

Ironically, things would be better but our prospects for the future would be worse.  Obama would have an 80% approval as opposition leader if he had lost to McCain and Palin, would be a shoe-in for 2012 and we would still have this train wreck coming.

As it happened for the last 4 Presidents, Bush, Clinton, Bush and Obama, bad leadership strengthened their opposition more than their own agenda.
5868  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Crony Fascism continued: Govt still investing in Solar on: October 02, 2011, 11:30:45 AM
This piece drifts across other topics, especially energy, but is first and foremost IMO about our misguided government picking winners(losers) and losers in any industry.  Though he is pointing out truths that should be self evident, perhaps you should  disregard because author Walter Russell Mead who teaches American foreign policy at Yale has a blog.  Also he is biased, an admitted Democrat who voted for Obama.

My question is about the government program, why are we doing this?  Forget that it will fail for certain, Why do they get billions taken from other people doing honest work including future generations?  Why can they build plants on public land on the rest of us can't?  These programs are morally and constitutionally wrong.
Walter Russell Mead's Blog
October 1, 2011

As the Energy Department hustled to get another $4.7 billion in loan guarantees for green tech companies out the door before time ran out and the program ended last week, yet another solar panel manufacturer was wilting in the sun, and the green jobs scam was looking more threadbare than ever. Says the WSJ:

    Solar-power equipment manufacturer Stirling Energy Systems Inc. has filed for bankruptcy, adding to a wave of troubles in the solar industry amid soft demand, falling prices and difficulty raising money. [… ] Both [of the company’s plants] were sited on public land in California and obtained fast-track construction permits from the Obama administration.

    The filing is the latest in a string of U.S. solar company bankruptcies, as soft global demand for solar power, falling prices and a glut of solar panels from Asia have hammered manufacturers.

Surprise, surprise: the American “green energy” industry faces much the same problems as everyone else in this economy. Solar firms still have to compete with Chinese labor (and massive Chinese government subsidies further enhanced by cheap Chinese currency).

But there’s another factor behind the failure of so many Obama administration initiatives in this field.  Because alternative energy generation is expensive and inefficient, it requires some combination of subsidies, high energy prices and forced purchases to make these investments pay off.

The Solyndra guarantee and related programs were all developed back in the heady early days of the Obama administrations when delusional greens thought their global agenda was on the verge of being realized.  Cap and trade and other aggressive energy policies would artificially jack up energy prices in the US to the point where demand for solar and other alternative energy would grow.  The global carbon treaty would provide a permanent source of demand for green energy.

The political assumptions underlying the green investment boomlet turned out to be false.  There will be no global carbon regime for the foreseeable future; there will be no cap and trade and no aggressive federal programs to raise energy prices during the deepest recession since World War Two.

Perhaps even worse from the green point of view, a cascade of discoveries and technological advances has dramatically increased the supplies of oil and gas in the western hemisphere — including huge new domestic energy supplies in places like Pennsylvania, Ohio and upstate New York.  These discoveries are devastating to the politics of the environmental movement.

There will be the usual NIMBY-motivated opposition (some of it justified) to frakking and to oil and gas pipelines, but overall millions more Americans are going to be economically tied to domestic energy production and they will not want their congressional representatives voting against the industry on which their paychecks depend.  Nor will they support presidential candidates who promise to eliminate their jobs.  It will not just be the people who work in the extraction business who feel this way.  Those who supply the industry, those who operate pipelines, those who sell goods and services to gas and oil workers: they will form a powerful phalanx of pro-oil and gas interests that will reach far beyond Texas.

At the same time, key environmental arguments will be seriously weakened.  The western hemisphere looks set to become energy independent for the foreseeable future; the US is moving steadily away from the dependence on Middle Eastern oil that makes many national security experts think green.  Importing from Canada just isn’t the same kind of problem as importing from Iraq.

The question of supply and peak oil will also recede; with new technologies and new discoveries coming so quickly, fewer people will feel the need to make large financial sacrifices now in order to prevent huge oil shortage and massive price hikes in the near term.

Increasingly, the climate change argument will be the only argument left to support subsidies for alternative energy generation.  That argument has not been enough to make far reaching legal changes in the past when national security and peak oil worries supported it; there is not much to suggest that the climate change forces can win the political battle standing alone.

The collapse of the green political structure (cap and trade plus global carbon treaty) and the transformation of the American fossil fuel supply have dramatically weakened the case for alternative energy.  Investors take heed.
5869  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Obama's latest economic proposals: More of the Same Old Change on: October 02, 2011, 11:09:58 AM

More of the Same Old Change
Obama's latest economic proposals are just like the earlier ones, only worse.


In the last few years, as promised, the Obama administration has fundamentally transformed America. Our country is now in serious decline. Income is lower, unemployment is higher, jobs are fewer, government is much larger. Federal spending is way up, and America's economic status is way down, as is the global view of our country and our economy. Hardly anyone sees any sign of economic recovery or improvement.

A look at long-term unemployment shows just how bad our economy is. Look at the Labor Department data on the number of Americans 16 and older unemployed for 52 weeks or more during the five most recent recessions:

1976   750,000
1982 1,600,000
1994 1,200,000
2004 1,100,000
2010 4,300,000

Total government spending averaged about 19% of gross domestic product from 1996 to 2007 and rose to about 21% in 2008. In the three years of the Obama administration, it has soared to 25%.

The administration is focused on its increasing control of health care, propping up labor unions, increasing taxes, and expanding the scope and size of government. In the first 70 years of the 20th century, American and European economic growth increased together, but then the Europeans shifted toward socialism, and their growth lagged. But with America is rapidly moving toward the European model, we are starting to see its detrimental impact.

President Obama's recent spending and tax policy proposals would only make things worse. He wants to increase the federal deficit by increasing spending and providing some targeted, but short term, payroll tax cuts. At a time when we need to bring the federal deficit down, his plan would actually increase it by $447 billion over the next year or two. But Mr. Obama has promised this increase will be "paid for," and has proposed a series of permanent tax increases to do that.

But our economy is already facing significant increases in taxes. First will be the end of the Bush tax cuts in December 2012. And because of ObamaCare, starting in 2013 taxpayers making more than $200,000 will pay an additional 3.8% on investment and interest income, another substantial tax increase.

We face other increases as well. The new Obama proposals include reduced itemized deductions allowed for any individuals earning more than $200,000 a year ($250,000 for married couples). In addition to what lower mortgage deductions might mean for our economy, think of the inevitable impact on charitable giving. What a reduction in deductions for charitable giving implies is a government plan that takes some of the money that would go to charity and instead funnels it to federal government spending--a serious step backwards.

The president also has proposed what he calls the "Buffett rule." He hasn't specified how it would work, but its purpose is to make sure millionaires pay higher income taxes. It would likely increase taxes on investment income, but in our current poor economy the last thing our economy needs is higher taxes on business investment.

And tax rate increases often bring in reduced tax dollars. The Cato Institute's Alan Reynolds showed in his recent Wall Street Journal piece that the 28% tax rate on long-term capital gains brought in $36.9 billion a year from 1987 to 1997, while the current 15% rate in 2004 to 2007 brought in $96.8 billion per year. Which once again shows that lower tax rates can get higher government tax revenues.

Add in higher taxes on the oil industry ($40 billion), jet plane owners ($3 billion), and hedge fund managers with carried interest ($18 billion), and you can see the basic effort of the Obama administration against people and industries. Last December when the president extended the Bush tax cuts, he acknowledged that tax hikes both slow economic growth and deter job creation, something he seems to have forgotten.

The higher taxes on energy producers are particularly discouraging, given the importance of energy to our economic recovery and the administration's continued clampdown on energy production. In another measure that is counterproductive to economic growth, the Obama plan includes extending benefits for the long-term unemployed, even though studies show that long term employment benefits raise the unemployment rate from 0.5 to 1.5 percentage points.

President Obama has said that "everything in [his new] bill will be paid for--everything," and that it "will not add to the deficit." But it will be paid for in the future, and the president is saying we should add some more to the deficit now in return for promises of future spending.

All these programs do not look good for the future of America or its people, for as American Enterprise Institute's Director of economic policy Kevin Hassett said earlier this month, the Obama administration's position "throughout this recovery has been that the U.S. can have the highest corporate tax on earth, a big regulatory crackdown, and a vast expansion of labor-union power and still expect a positive jobs story because of cash-for-clunkers and green jobs. This jobs report indicates how much damage that view has done."

In the end, the newest Obama proposals are proof that his recent centrist posturing was just that, posturing. The new proposals are a continuation of the old Obama policies, policies that sadly have extended the recession, stifled economic growth, and will, for some years, have weakened America.

Author is chairman of the National Center for Policy Analysis and former Governor of Delaware
5870  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Energy Politics & Science on: September 30, 2011, 07:49:33 PM
JDN, The expert you dismiss is NPR's energy expert, NPR is hardly an oil industry mouthpiece and what she says doesn't favor or oppose the oil industry in any way.  She is the same one they have turned to for years including during last year's oil spill crisis.  She is head of the Energy Forum and the James A. Baker Institute for Public Policy Energy Forum at Rice University in Houston, apparently a place that doesn't check credentials. All she was giving was an opinion and an ESTIMATE of something that can't be known for certain.  Post the opinion of a different expert if you want but, instead you aim to bring down the discussion and learning, shoot the messenger, insult me, name call my sources and misread my posts. I wasn't even the original poster.  You ignore my challenge to tell me where the people you dismiss as biased bloggers let bias interfere with facts.  you could show me where they were wrong just once in all their disputes with CBS, NY Times and others.  Instead just more insults and repetition.  You dismiss what is already posted without acknowledging it or refuting it and repeat back what was already shown to be false.  For me that is too many times that you brought down the discussion (what additional information has been added regarding the boom in Williston? none) and spoil the fun of participating here.    - Doug
5871  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Energy Politics & Science on: September 30, 2011, 11:12:17 AM
in the United States, “proven oil reserves” is a legal term, not a scientific term. It is defined by the Securities and Exchange Commission

The information you dispute links back to the SEC, FYI.

Biased blogger?  Please give one example of an uncorrected falsehood posted the person whose integrity you attack.

If a "biased blogger brought you that correction of widely dispersed bunk, (actually I brought it to you) you should thank him rather than post and link further falsehoods put out by swarms of highly credentialed.  

I recall that Dan Rather took on the same biased blogger over accuracy and bias and lost.

You commented quantitatively on the amount of reserves but failed your own credentials check.  Please retract.
5872  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Energy Politics & Science on: September 30, 2011, 10:32:45 AM
I'm sorry but I never heard what your degree is in.  If all learning occurs in accredited grad schools, what are we doing here?  The adventure has stopped for a credentials check.

Why would the oil industry want you to think there is more oil in the ground than there is?  Tight supplies, shortage panics leading to high prices are what boosted profits.  - DM, PhD, Oil Exploration Economics, IU (imaginary University)

While 'debunking' new information, you link bunk.  Did you refute and I missed it or did you ignore what I posted in this thread just 2 1/1 weeks ago:

"In Saudi Arabia, for example, “proven oil reserves” are whatever the government announces they are.

But in the United States, “proven oil reserves” is a legal term, not a scientific term. It is defined by the Securities and Exchange Commission. We wrote about this in detail in Obama’s Long Nose On Energy. This is the definition, unique to United States law, of “proven oil reserves:”

    Proved reserves. The quantities of hydrocarbons estimated with reasonable certainty to be commercially recoverable from known accumulations under current economic conditions, operating methods, and government regulations. Current economic conditions include prices and costs prevailing at the time of the estimate. Estimates of proved reserves do not include reserves appreciation."
5873  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / There is no such thing as “good” governmental cronyism. on: September 30, 2011, 10:02:18 AM
First, the Walter WIlliams quote above in the thread is right on the money.
Refusing to use the term crony c*pitalism anymore for what is not at all capitalism, this topic could always go under corruption, but at its heart it is just another failed government program doing enormous damage to out economic foundations.  At its core it violates the freedom of equal protection under the law when you all-knowing, all-powerful government picks your winners and losers for you.

John Hinderacker at Powerline yesterday:

The Trouble With Crony Capitalism

Yesterday the Department of Energy approved $1 billion in new loan guarantees to “green energy” companies. Drudge is headlining the fact that, as reported by Mark Hemingway in the Weekly Standard, most of that amount–$737 million–is going to SolarReserve LLC for a solar-thermal project in Nevada. SolarReserve’s “investment partners”–I take it that means owners–include the Pacific Corporate Group’s Clean Energy and Technology Fund. One of Pacific Corporate Group’s principals is Nancy Pelosi’s brother-in-law, Ronald Pelosi. Another of SolarReserve’s owners is Argonaut Private Equity, whose managing director, Steve Mitchell, is on Solyndra’s board of directors.

My guess is that government underwriting of SolarReserve’s project is a horrible idea. But suppose it isn’t: who is going to believe that the Obama administration wasn’t influenced by Pelosi’s brother-in-law’s involvement in the project? Likewise, who will believe that Democratic donor George Kaiser’s involvement in Solyndra was irrelevant to the government’s misbegotten support for that company? Hemingway writes that “t’s increasingly hard to tell the government’s green jobs subsidies apart from the Democrats’ friends and family rewards program.” That’s true, and whether “green energy” corruption is real or only perceived, it breeds cynicism and erodes trust in government–which, not coincidentally, is at an all-time low.

But the problem goes deeper still. When the federal government gets into the business of picking winners and losers among private businesses, it is easy to identify the winners–they are companies like Solyndra and SolarReserve that get government money or loan guaranties. But what about the losers? A much larger number of companies who don’t get federal money are in that category, and how will we ever know who they are, let alone know whether they were losers because someone involved in them is a Republican donor?

There is no such thing as “good” crony capitalism. Once the government gets into the business of favoring some private businesses over others, the results can only be bad, and not only, or even primarily, because of the loans that wind up costing the taxpayers.
5874  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Stephen Moore - Flat Is the New Fair on: September 29, 2011, 11:47:53 PM
Pres. Obama accidentally stepped in it.

Steve Forbes: "You know it ends all this crony capitalism in Washington. From now on, if Obama invites you to the White House, you'd know it's because he really loves you."
The Wall Street Journal
SEPTEMBER 30, 2011

Flat Is the New Fair
Is President Obama paving the way for GOP tax reform?


'Suddenly, liberal Democrats are making the same argument about the tax code that I've been making for 20 years," laughs former Republican House Majority Leader Dick Armey. "Welcome to the party." Mr. Armey, who along with Steve Forbes has been the torch bearer for the flat tax since the early 1990s, believes that the latest applause line from President Obama that "billionaires should pay the same tax rate as janitors" may be the political gateway to sweeping tax reform.

Mr. Forbes sees an opening here too and says: "The flat tax is the perfect issue for these times. It fixes the economy and doesn't cost a dime." He's right. It's the teed-up GOP response to a jobless recovery and the near-universal sentiment among voters that the tax code is corrupt beyond repair.

That case is inadvertently helped as Mr. Obama and his new best friend, billionaire Warren Buffett, barnstorm the country trashing the tax system for, as the Oracle of Omaha puts it, "coddling the super rich." In truth, the system isn't nearly as skewed in favor of those at the top of the income pyramid as they allege: Today the top 1% pay 38% of the income tax. But in Washington, perception drives policy. The virtue of a flat tax with no deductions is that it provides an ironclad guarantee that the rich pay no lower a tax rate than janitors and secretaries.

This past summer the Senate Budget Committee, which is run by Democrats, reported that 26.5% of all tax deductions and credits are taken by those with incomes in the top 1% on the wealth scale. Cleaning out the attic of decades of these loopholes and using the savings to lower the tax rate ensures that Mr. Buffett, Bill Gates and Lady Gaga pay their fair share.

Mr. Obama complains in his budget that it's not fair that the rich get to deduct 35% for their mansions and charitable receipts, while the middle class deducts only 15% or 20%. But that's the collateral damage from a multitiered tax-rate system.

Democrat Kent Conrad of North Dakota, the chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, says that loopholes are "subsidies, and subsidies are not the type of thing that you want for an efficient market system." He sounds like Milton Friedman there and he proposes to reduce "tax expenditures" by 17%.

Why stop there? Republicans should counter-offer: We see your 17% and raise it to 100%.

Done correctly, the flat tax eliminates all double taxation of saving and investment. But if liberals won't accept a lower tax rate for capital gains and dividends, perhaps the grand deal in Washington could be to tax everything at 16% or 17%.

Democrats have come to a different conclusion: They want to get rid of the deductions and raise tax rates at the same time. When has that ever worked? The near 100-year history of the tax code teaches this inviolable law of politics: The higher the tax rate, the more tax carve-outs there will be for yacht owners. That is why the rich paid a smaller share of the income tax in the early 1960s when the top tax rate was 91%, and in the 1970s with a 70% rate, than they do today with a 35% rate.

That's why the flat tax is the fairest tax of all. The combination of a single tax rate with a family-size allowance—shielding, say, the first $35,000 of income for a family of four—ensures that everyone would pay the same marginal tax rate above that level. A family of four with an income of $70,000 would pay an average tax rate of about 8.5%, whereas the members of the Buffett billionaire club would pay 17%.

Why aren't Republicans in Congress and in the presidential race making this case? Newt Gingrich and Jon Huntsman have tax rate reform proposals that move toward a flatter tax. But the candidate who comes closest to a true flat tax is Herman Cain, the former Godfather's Pizza CEO. His argument for a "9-9-9" plan puts the current income and payroll taxes in the shredder and replaces them with a 9% personal income tax with no deductions, a 9% net business income tax, and a 9% national sales tax.

That would be rocket fuel for the economy, though the combination of a federal sales tax and an income tax is a big worry. But at least Mr. Cain has super-sized solutions to an economy with super-sized problems.

"I keep waiting for a Republican candidate to take the plunge," says a half-frustrated Steve Forbes. Then he adds one more flat tax selling point: "You know it ends all this crony capitalism in Washington. From now on, if Obama invites you to the White House, you'd know it's because he really loves you."
5875  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Nature- Dolphins, Waterfall on: September 29, 2011, 11:12:22 PM
Photos from National Geographic. The ecosystems are alive and well!

Waterfall in Iceland:
5876  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential- Newt Contract on: September 29, 2011, 10:59:34 PM
I heard Newt interviewed today.  Newt is on a roll.  He should be the policy writer and tactician for whoever is the nominee.  He has it all mapped out down to the exact day he will release the exact wording of no less than 50 and no more than 200 executive orders he will be issuing if he is the nominee and if he is the President - while the others bicker about each others' past errors.

When does it become old news that he was cheating on his second wife during impeachment, and sat down on a park bench with Nancy Peloisi to tell us all we need to come together over emissions and warming.  I don't know which was worse.  The mindset of the latter is certainly one of the causes of current malaise and the personal stuff puts him on a level with would be President Gary Hart.

I still want to weave together the good qualities of each into one.
5877  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Venezuela on: September 29, 2011, 03:28:03 PM
A rough translation from the espanol thread:

It is unfortunate that the popularity of this thread is due to the wickedness of our leaders, especially that of Hugo Chavez.

The story these last 12 years could have been how the Venezuelan voters rejected Chavez and moved instead boldly in the direction of individual liberty and private enterprise and transformed a nation of oil wealth, high literacy rates and strategic location into one of the freest and fastest growing economies on the planet.  Can't change history but how about from here forward...
5878  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: September 29, 2011, 02:54:59 PM
I don't plan to write longer posts to placate people who pretend there is no context.  Modern Israel is a fact.  It is a country.  It is a U.S. ally.  It has borders, laws, leaders and elections.  It is a U.N. member state.  They have a flag at the Olympics.  Why are we still BSing around with this?  Israel exists.  Those who say they don't recognize that are saying they seek to destroy them and they don't hide that fact in any way.  They are not wishing to take out one specific regime like forcing Saddam out of power after he attacked four of his neighbors or Germany and Japan in WWII.  They hate them for who they are, not for what they've done. They seek to destroy a nation and all its people.  But that is not black and white? 

At least I learned a new word, nonversation.
5879  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: September 29, 2011, 12:19:08 PM
If you correctly took my question to be an analogy then it would necessarily include the fact that you were under actual attacks for decades with bombs sent in and exploding from your neighbors, unless you deny those facts.  That big player that is partly on your side is far away and not doing anything to stop those attacks.  If you believe in your right to exist, you defend yourself in all that entails.

Does or does not Israel have a right to exist?  (Rhetorical, I have already heard your non-answer.)

Do you or do you not have a right to exist?  (Already answered with a wishy-washy negative.)  I disagree.  I am pro-death penalty, but up until conviction by your peers beyond reasonable doubt of an extremely heinous crime and exhausting all available appeals, I support your right to exist.
5880  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: September 29, 2011, 12:01:16 PM
For the internal workings of business, I like Cain's experience better than Romney.  For overall business experience I would call it a draw - between those two.  It is a big deal though that Cain has not run a winning campaign and has not yet adapted his executive experience to public sector management which is very different.

I heard Romney on the radio yesterday and he was way off topic IMO using canned and tested lines against his opponents.  Perry is saying and retracting that if you disagree on subsidized tuition policy, you don't have a heart.   Cain is saying at this point he could not support Perry.  If Perry is the nominee, who would he vote for?? FYI to Romney and the others for the umpteenth time, your opponent is leftist economics, not the in-state issues in Texas or anywhere else.

I don't recall candidate Reagan saying that his rival George H.W. Bush made mistakes during the wealth of administrative positions he held leading up to his Presidential run.  I recall candidate Reagan spelling out what was wrong with current policy and laying out his agenda for rebuilding the country by unleashing the freedom and creativity of individuals and private enterprise.
5881  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: September 29, 2011, 11:41:04 AM
The electoral college piece is interesting.  What it means is that Republicans won't win if the election is roughly a tie.  They need to win by defeating the opponent, offering better ideas and persuasively and effectively winning hearts and minds decisively, not just show up.  So far, the campaigns mostly look intent on just showing up and nitpicking each other.  

A Republican can win in many of those hard blue states like Minnesota, even California or New York, but the point within electoral college analysis is that if they win those, it wouldn't matter because they would have already gone far past 270 votes by winning the divided states.  

I see it differently.  Margin of victory matters enormously in governing.  The best example was probably Reagan winning 44 states in 1980.  By winning Massachusetts, New York, California etc he was able to set the agenda and govern.  Another example is Obama 2008.  He doesn't get healthcare if he barely won or had lost the House or Senate in the process.

The serious changes we need now will not happen if it ends in an even split - no matter who wins.  

1980 map below, failed incumbent versus an ideological, pro-growth conservative.  Take away the home states of Carter and Mondale and it looks more like his 49 state win in reelection:
5882  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: September 29, 2011, 10:53:51 AM
I knew I was wasting my time.  embarassed

Amazing to get locked into a viewpoint so rigidly that you won't even admit YOUR right to exist.  A way of thinking we call 'centrism'??

Good luck.
5883  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: September 29, 2011, 09:54:41 AM
"the "right to exist" is not a black and white concept"
  - Really, it is.

"It is hard to define."
   - No, it isn't.  A disputed border or foreign policy issue maybe, but the right to exist is a yes or it is a no.

Under American law, how do you feel about your right to exist?  Is it not a  bigger and starker issue if your neighbors all vow to kill you, destroy you and move your house off the map, than restrictions let's say on the the setback of your side yard or the height of your fence?

The Palestinian question should be enlarged to re-certify all the nations denying Israel's right to exist. I heard our ambassador to Israel just say (if I heard him correctly) that at a recent point in time something like 21 of the last 26 UN resolutions were about condemning Israel. Here is a list of 224 of them:   Other than the strength of the hatred they face, is Israel really the most dangerous and threatening country on earth?  Is self defense threatening?  Or is the UN, who accepted the regimes of Libya and Syria to serve on the UN Human Rights commission, the most misguided institution on earth?
5884  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Implosion coverage: Pres. Obama losing Jewish vote, Black support also tanking on: September 28, 2011, 10:06:36 PM
"Disapproval among Jewish voters exceeded approval of Obama's presidency for the first time during the current administration. Jewish approval of Obama’s performance as president declined to 45%, with another 48% disapproving and 7% undecided.",7340,L-4128190,00.html

Black support dropped from 98% at election time to 58% approval today.  Washington Post/ABC News poll:

"With only 26 percent of Americans approving of Obama's handling of the economy..."
   - Who are these 26%?  Can we give them a lie detector test?

Dick Morris speculates Obama may not stand for reelection.  Join the club.  I was saying that when approvals were in the 70s.  Stranger things have happened.
5885  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Political Economics on: September 28, 2011, 02:54:05 PM
I take that Wesbury report as a mixed bag, some measures up, some down.  What we call his relentless bullishness is really just some positive spin on a sick, but fairly stable economy.  We are lucky that there are some signs of life out there if you look closely enough.  Unemployment is not getting better or worse lately.  The future keeps getting worse in the sense that a) we are going to owe a whole hell of a lot more than we did when we finally get out of this malaise, b) our currency is being undermined, therefore our wealth will be eroding long past the beginnings of real recovery, and c) we have not done anything yet to address any of the underlying problems.

It is a matter of definitions to point to anything like 0.1% or 1.0%  growth for examples and say this is no recession.  He may be technically correct but people know that what quacks like a duck is really a duck.
5886  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Environmental issues on: September 28, 2011, 01:00:46 PM
For JDN, you keep mixing and matching CO2 with pollutants, as do so many others.  Fine, but when you make that jump you are weighing in on global warming and causation. No indication that you read or believe the numbers I posted.  That's fine too. Would love to be disproven if false on those miniscule amounts of CO2 elevation and alleged total warming that I cited that are being used to justify anti-economic, anti-freedom policies.  The shoreline in Florida has not moved and wildfires are not new in Texas.
GM, This passage of yours made me think of the ancient city of Atlantis - still lost - as compared to New Orleans now re-built or the national recovery from the amazing tsunami in Japan.  People in my neck of the woods are having record business years (3M) shipping safety equipment in large quantities by petroleum powered jet air freight what Pompei had no shot at.

"Also for the people living without an advanced electrical grid and petrochemical energy resources, they are much more vulnerable to extreme weather and natural disasters. Imagine the preindustrial cities in the US and europe..."

It takes resources and it takes energy to solve problems.  The global warming scare is all about limiting our use of known energy and in quest for a less prosperous, more equal civilization.  In fact the reverse strategy, allowing more freedom and building a more prosperous economy actually takes you further toward better health and safety.
5887  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Physics on: September 28, 2011, 12:29:54 PM
Explaining someone else's joke is dangerous territory, good chance of screwing up.  The joke writers can correct me or build on this. 

In layman's terms, the theory of relativity is about things that happen really fast - messing with the concept of time as we know it - all based on the speed of light, a constant, which is now being challenged. Arrive at your train destination before you departed, that kind of thing... The tachyon is some sub atomic particle that scientists are messing with to violate the limits of the speed of light and threatening Einstein's great theory.  In comes the old joke line, like the priest and the rabbi or the man and his dog go into a bar and the bartender says..., only this time the events are happening in reverse order, messing with our concept of time.

A bartender says "Hey!  We don't serve tachyons in this establishment".
Two tachyons walk into a bar.

5888  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: September 28, 2011, 12:19:04 PM
Agree, Dennis Miller is a good endorsement for Cain.  He has a good radio show, good audience - worse times I think than the bigger shows, he has good guests, good insights and he is what I would call a common sense conservative - a talented guy.  The guys with bigger radio shows than his mostly don't endorse, nor do most good columnists or pundits this early, in time to make a difference.  Cain, Romney, Perry, they all need people of some notice to start joining their side.  Romney got Pawlenty, oh well.  Perry has Bobby Jindahl.  The huge one for Obama was actually Oprah in time for Iowa.  Probably didn't help her career but she went out on a limb and it certainly helped his to gain traction and more endorsements.
5889  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Environmental issues on: September 28, 2011, 11:59:00 AM
JDN,  (Jumping in late to what should have been dropped?) What I took from the article in context of the current global warming info and debate, warming is about 0.8 degrees Kelvin total over the entire history of fossil fuel use.  Admitting that has nothing to do with whether you believe man's component is a 0.01 degree component or a 0.1 degree component or none of it.  The alarmists predicted (did you see the movie?) the oceans will rise and the polars will melt and the ocean front location will move inland by hundreds of miles and that people will perish etc.  THAT is what politicians and editorialists tell us is the CONSENSUS.  

What I took from the Reason piece is that these observations don't match that theory. (It's the end of the world as we know, to R.E.M. music) Warming in the amounts of tenths of a degree per century especially if it was naturally caused and ended over 10 years ago instead of accelerating out of control as predicted does not threaten mankind or planet earth.

JDN as I understand it, you set up a straw man.  The article doesn't prove there was no global warming.  It wasn't supposed to.  "Garbage" if the premise was that it proves or disproves something specific. It wasn't.  It just shows vague evidence that we are experiencing situation normal here on planet earth, year after year, in spite of all we do that is wrong.  Mankind and earth's ability to adapt is remarkable; that was their point.  You even quoted it.
There is a website called that posts great articles and studies relating to living in a world where the atmospheric level of CO2 has grown by a whopping total of ... one part per ten thousand per century?    Elevated CO2 levels (on that scale) are a fact.  Causation and consequences are topics of study.  They find out things like that elevated CO2 levels enhance plant growth, every indoor hydroponic grower already knows that, and that process consumes more CO2 and exhales more Oxygen (O2).  Anyone who enjoys the fresh oxygen of a walk through a forest is going to love planet earth over the next century - with perhaps one more part per ten thousand per century of oxygen to breathe.  smiley
5890  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / 2012 Presidential: Cain continued on: September 28, 2011, 10:10:04 AM
"Cain later completed a master's degree in computer science and entered the business world where he led several companies--most recently Godfather's--and chaired the National Restaurant Association and the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. His résumé--from mathematician and rocket scientist to restaurateur and now politician"

Crafty: "That is a far more interesting resume than most people realize..."
Even that impressive list skips over a couple of very big ones: He rose to VP at CocaCola - that's a pretty good employer (understatement) if you are from the Atlanta area.  And he was my neighbor 6 years when he rose to VP of Minneapolis based Pillsbury, quite a legend of a global company at least in that day and around these parts.  Either of those stints alone is a business background better than almost anyone in politics in memory. Romney or Romney's father may be among  the rare other exceptions.  (

Masters in computer science (from Purdue!) at that point in time was rocket science.  It was a look into the future from the very leading edge and seeing what could be done in a most amazing industry; what they saw then has now been done.  Mathematics as a degree is one that applies across all disciplines.  Not exactly fluff like most.  The constitutional office of President would do well to have more of its occupants trained in a discipline that analytical thinking as a matter of course.  Not exactly a trait of the current White House.
Not buying individual short term polls, but Zogby just put Cain in first, up by 10 points, and that was before the news of him winning the Florida straw poll.  The rise in attention also helps fund raising which is the blood of survival in their business.

I'm not endorsing, just gathering the info.  I have a couple of concerns as well (never held elective office, for one).  What I would say is that even if Hermann Cain is not the nominee, it is a very very good thing for the cause of rescuing the country that he is gaining in stature and exposure.

My answer to the cancer question is that a) he has been fully forthcoming, and b) he better have a really good VP choice.  JFK (no callous intent, rest his soul) improved both his reputation and the prospects for his legislative agenda by dying in office.  In Cain's case, Presidents have great health care.  If he dies in office, he would have died anyway.  If he has to turn over his duties temporarily or permanently to his VP, that's why we have one and that's why we vet them.
5891  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Politics: Senate 2012 on: September 28, 2011, 09:12:27 AM
One scenario:

"If Republicans were to sweep the tossups, they would have a 55-45 majority, tying them for their largest advantage since 1928. With a large number of Democrats up for re-election in 2014, many of whom occupy seats in red states, that would probably give Republicans working control of the chamber."
5892  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Political Economics: Charles Schwaub - Every Job Requires an Entrepreneur on: September 28, 2011, 08:59:02 AM
"What we can do—and absolutely must—is knock down all hurdles that create disincentives for investment in business.  Private enterprise works."

Every Job Requires an Entrepreneur
Someone took risks to start every business—whether Ford, Google or your local dry cleaner.


In his speech before a joint session of Congress on Sept. 8, President Obama said, "Ultimately, our recovery will be driven not by Washington, but by our businesses and our workers."

He is right. We can spark an economic recovery by unleashing the job-creating power of business, especially small entrepreneurial businesses, which fuel economic and job growth quickly and efficiently. Indeed, it is the only way to pull ourselves out of this economic funk.

But doing so will require a consistent voice about confidence in businesses—small, large and in between. We cannot spend our way out of this. We cannot tax our way out of this. We cannot artificially stimulate our way out of this. We cannot regulate our way out of this. Shaming the successful or redistributing income won't get us out of this. We cannot fund our government coffers by following the "Buffett Rule," i.e., raising taxes on Americans earning more than $1 million a year.

What we can do—and absolutely must—is knock down all hurdles that create disincentives for investment in business.

Private enterprise works. I founded Charles Schwab in 1974, when America was confronting a crisis of confidence similar to today's. We had rapidly rising inflation and unemployment, economic growth grinding into negative territory, and paralyzed markets. The future looked pretty bleak.

Sound familiar?

Yet I had faith that our economy would recover. My vision was simple: Investors deserve something better than the status quo. I launched the company with four employees, a personal loan on my home, and an audacious dream. I didn't know exactly how we were going to do it, nor could I foresee that over the decades we would end up building a business that serves over 10 million accounts. But we went for it.

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What's the potential power of the entrepreneur's simple leap of faith? The success of a single business has a significant payoff for the economy. Looking back over the 25 years since our company went public, Schwab has collectively generated $68 billion in revenue and $11 billion in earnings. We've paid $28 billion in compensation and benefits, created more than 50,000 jobs, and paid more than $6 billion in aggregate taxes. In addition to the current value of our company, we've returned billions of dollars in the form of dividends and stock buybacks to shareholders, including unions, pension funds and mom-and-pop investors.

The wealth created for our shareholders—a great many of them average Schwab employees—has been used to reinvest in existing and new businesses and has funded a myriad of philanthropic activities. We've also spent billions buying services and products from other companies in a diverse set of industries, from technology to communications to real estate to professional services, thereby helping our suppliers create businesses and jobs.

That's the story of one company. There are thousands more like it, and a consistent supportive voice from Washington could enable thousands more ahead.

The simple fact is that every business in America was started by an entrepreneur, whether it is Ford Motor Co., Google or your local dry cleaner. Every single job that entrepreneur creates requires an investment. And at its core, investing requires confidence that despite the risks, despite the hard work that will certainly ensue, the basic rules of the game are clear and stable. Today's uncertainty on these issues—stemming from a barrage of new complex regulations and legislation—is a roadblock to investment. We have to clear that uncertainty away.

As we did after 1974, our country can and will thrive again. But the leaders of both parties, Republicans and Democrats alike, must lend their voices to encourage and support private enterprise, both for what it can do to turn our economy around and for the spirit of opportunity it represents.

They need to review every piece of existing legislation and regulation with a clear eye to what impact it will have on business and growth. If something is a job killer, put a moratorium on it. Stop adding to the litany of new laws and regulations until we've had time to digest those in place and regain some certainty about the future. Proposed laws and regulations should be put to a simple test: What will this do to encourage businesses and entrepreneurs to invest? What will it do for jobs?
5893  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Physics on: September 28, 2011, 08:44:23 AM
TD, CW,  You run in fast circles if you can tell that joke without some explaining.   wink
A bartender says "Hey!  We don't serve tachyons in this establishment".
Two tachyons walk into a bar.
5894  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: September 28, 2011, 08:18:09 AM
Thanks for the kind words. (humbled face)  GM, some work left to do but I did just get it published on a site with something like a million reads - here!  The longer version when ready will go over at Cognitive Dissonance. It is hard to find an ending point to a story about leftist economic nonsense.  It just keeps coming.
5895  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / re. Economic Bugaloo, Porkulus II?? Try Stimulus No. 7 on: September 27, 2011, 06:16:51 PM
First, that is beyond funny and very telling that Obama's top advisers cannot correctly find Colorado on a map!

With all due respect to Ed Morrissey, I have this one counted as Stimulus 7.  Excerpting from something I wrote before vacation but hadn't posted yet:

1)  TARP = Troubled Asset Relief Program  The trigger for the collapse was the impending tax increases and regulatory influx promised by the Dem congress and the new administration on the investors in the American economy.  The famed Troubled Asset Relief Program was from all sides, Bush and Treasury Secretary Paulson, with all the consensus co-authors:  Obama and his team, McCain and his advisers, in case he would win, and the Fed including Chairman Bernancke and President of the NY Federal Reserve Timothy Geithner - seriously.  $700 billion bailed out banks that the Feds had to insure anyway, that made sense, but it also bailed out investment houses and insurance companies (both with political ties to both parties) and believe it or not, foreign central banks.   We sure don't want any spill over from Europe, do we? Can anyone say Greece Sept 2011?!

2) American Recovery and Reinvestment Act: This was the Obama Stimulus One passed Feb 17, 2009.  This one has the signs on the 'shovel-ready projects. Spending in the hundreds of billions that we don't have and is paid for, slandering the already dying reputation of Sir John Maynard Keynes who has been room temperature and unable to defend himself since 1946.  Stimulus One even had its own website: Recovery.Gov.  You can track the money there.  What could possibly go wrong?  Let's see... Things got worse. !  Why?  The liberals say it was too small!  Only $787 Billion.  Yes, only. What's a piddly amount like 787 billion going to do to stimulate a big economy like ours?  Seriously.

3) Quantitative Expansion = The second half of the Fed's Dual Mission was alive and well, monetary meddling.  Dilute and devalue our currency to the tune of $600 billion (all these estimates are conservative) in the name of stimulating the economy to full employment.  Did it work?  Hell no.  Why?  The liberal brain trust says it was too small, lol (laughing and crying at this point).  Was there more?  Yes.  See QE2, no. 5) below, and 6)!  This was a 'one time' injection - diluting our currency to trick people into a 'wealth effect'.  Now it is what we do all the time.  Does it work? No.

4) Stimulus Two is the fourth stimulus - you do the math. Whoops, we don't use the S-word anymore; that name was already losing its shine and polling poorly among focus groups.  It was Sept 2010 at this point and by now the Stimuli all seemed to run together, people losing track of the number, does anyone really remember this one?  The guys at 'Hot Air' forgot:  Ed Morrissey writes that the Porkukus of Sept 2011 was No. 2 when in fact it is number 7; we've got three more to go.  And these guys are paid professionals!  Hundreds of billions more in the stimulus formerly known as Stimulus Two, what does it matter now - it's all play money, see no. 3.  We must do something even though it is just more, really less of the same.  It was designed and timed to soften the blow of the 2010 elections with Dems then polling south of the south pole.'See, we are doing something.'  Still they held big government doctrinism above their warped view of Keynesianism and promised to stay hellbent on raising tax rates at the first of the year.  Did Stimulus Two work?  NO and no, politically and economically.  Why not?  Too small!  And so the story went out: "things were worse than we thought when we got here".  "It's Bush's fault."  Seriously.  Did this really happen?

5) QE2:  What else can you do when QE1 and Stimuli 1-4 are not enough?  the House Senate and President all had their hands tied with deficits and debt to the tune of a trillion and a half and 14.3 trillion respectively and rising, so the Fed stepped in again.  Why?  See no. 3) above.  The previous expansion was simply too small - obviously.  The second wave would take the total up to a whopping $3 trillion of US Treasury buybacks done with fictitious, 'expansionary' (dilution/devaluation) dollars.  What could possibly go wrong?  Increase in money supply, decrease in the value of all US dollars, future spiraling price increases, and a direct hit to eveyone's standard of living and the value of everything they own.

6) QE3, Fed is STILL buying back at the rate of $300/yr. What was the definition of insanity again?  

7) The Plan, The Obama Jobs Plan = "Pass the Bill" - Sept 2011:  We are right back to where we started - $8 trillion later and U6 still at 16.9%.  The President is voting 'Present'.  Tweaking a little short term injection here for permanent increases there.  He proposes what can't possibly help and what can't possibly pass and then he can blame someone else.  Plausible deniability - that should do it!  Problem solved - in the best minds of the Obama brain trust.  Seriously, charged with one of the biggest economic challenges in history, that is the best they can do.
5896  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: September 27, 2011, 02:26:00 PM
DF,  You make good sense to me on the role of government, immigration and foreign policy.  The only area I disagree is in the details of the Patriot Act.  I don't want to lose any privacy either but I don't think I lost any with that.  If a known terrorist reaches me by accident, cell phone to cell phone, it would not be outside of the principles of a free and secure society that law enforcement may find that out and want to pursue it with me.  McCain is yesterday's news, now we need to figure out what to do with these guys.

From my point of view, a) Obama and all of his left governing big government philosophy must go, b) conservatives with clear principles are actually more electable than mushy moderates because they can articulate a clear difference, and c) as Obama used to say, this is our moment.  It is no time to put up a weak, unqualified, unprincipled or ineffective leader.

My perfect candidate is someone with the oratory and clear thinking of Marco Rubio, with the detailed knowledge of the complex bills of government like Paul Ryan, with the executive in government  experience 2 terms or more like Rick Perry, with the private sector experience Romney or Hermann Cain and with the foreign policy experience of General Petraeus. That fantasy candidate isn't available now and never will be.  So we will take a chance now and place our bets on one of these guys.
5897  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The War on Drugs on: September 27, 2011, 02:04:34 PM
GM,  Agree.  I'm not against putting a measurable limit on driving in law if it is backed up in science.  What I'm saying is that the tie between blood content and delayed reactions / loss of concentration will be more difficult to establish for THC than it was for alcohol.  Before texting while driving bans were codified, distracted driving was already illegal.  I hope that being totally incoherent while driving is already prohibited, no matter the drug or mental defect. 

5898  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The War on Drugs on: September 27, 2011, 01:16:00 PM
The Colorado law is a farce in terms of doctor involvement, ailments and prescriptions.  Actually setting a limit fro drivers and administering a test *when justified* makes some sense, but the data and studies on the effect will not be as predictable and consistent as it is with alcohol. The effect varies more person to person.  Some in moderate usage drive safer with lower speeds and greater following distances.   

Strange to test for the least dangerous drug unless you also test for prescription drugs, amphetimine, coke, opiates, etc.

5899  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: September 27, 2011, 01:06:11 PM
Might also add that Texas has a river across the border, different than other states not as suitable for fencing.  The point to most citizens far away really has to do with results.  We can't have sovereignty without security.

I had the opportunity to check out a different liquid border over the weekend, slipping in and out of Canada by canoe unnoticed.  The Boundary Waters on the US side and Quetico Park on the Canadian side combine for about 2 million acres of virtually untouched northern lakes and forests wilderness.  Some border security there but no fence.  God's creatures roam freely! (  Drifting from the topic, highly recommended for a father-son, family or friends adventure.  
5900  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Law Enforcement issues and LE in action on: September 27, 2011, 12:16:57 PM
"I was working with a veteran officer when the Kobe Bryant case first hit the news, that officer made a statement assuming Bryant was guilty..."

Not sure how it ties to the current discussion, but I read the police interview transcript of Kobe at the time.  Seemed pretty obvious that he was guilty of adultery not rape.
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