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10251  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Mexico-US matters on: January 20, 2011, 09:51:57 AM
The author of the piece is a raza-ist advocate for open borders and amnesty. Gee, maybe if we secured the borders first.....
10252  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Japan hits ‘critical point’ on state debt on: January 19, 2011, 07:54:54 PM
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4c1ddc9a-23d3-11e0-8bb1-00144feab49a.html

Japan hits ‘critical point’ on state debt

By Mure Dickie in Tokyo

Published: January 19 2011 14:54 | Last updated: January 19 2011 19:24

Japan has hit a “critical point” where it risks losing investor confidence if politicians fail to reach agreement on how to rein in the ballooning national debt, a cabinet minister has warned.

“We face a dreadful dream that one day the long-term interest rate might rise,” Kaoru Yosano, the new minister for economic and fiscal policy, told the Financial Times.
EDITOR’S CHOICE
Kan reshuffles cabinet to aid budget plans - Jan-14
Short View: Japan’s value trap - Jan-07
David Pilling: Japan finds more to life than growth - Jan-05
Global Insight: Japan still not bounding - Jan-04
Editorial Comment: Tax man Kan - Jan-05

“So we have to be very careful [to] ensure the credibility of our economy and the credibility of our government.”

His stark comments highlight government determination to introduce a sweeping reform of the tax system that would include a hike in the 5 per cent consumption tax.

Naoto Kan, prime minister, drafted Mr Yosano, a veteran opposition politician, into the cabinet last week to help build cross-party agreement on fiscal reform. Worries about Japan’s fiscal future have been fuelled over the past year by the sovereign debt crises suffered by eurozone countries, with Mr Kan warning last June that Japan could end up like Greece unless it tackled its rising debt.

Japan has no difficulties financing its deficit and there is no sign that it could face a sovereign debt crisis in the near future. The benchmark 10-year Japanese government bond trades at a yield of less than 1.25 per cent. But Mr Yosano warned it be would wrong to assume such a benign environment would continue indefinitely.

“Our fiscal status is at a critical point . . . the circumstances surrounding Japan may change overnight,” he said.

The deep recession into which Japan plunged in 2008 has dramatically worsened its already chronic government deficits, with new bond issuance set to outstrip tax revenues for the third year in a row in fiscal 2012.
10253  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Schumer's Ploy on: January 19, 2011, 01:43:04 PM
http://formerspook.blogspot.com/2011/01/schumers-ploy.html

Wednesday, January 19, 2011
Schumer's Ploy

This was inevitable...

When investigators discovered that Arizona gunman Jared Lee Loughner had been rejected by the Army (because of admitted drug use), it was just a matter of time before some politician connected the dots: Hey, let's require military recruiters to report anyone with a history of drug abuse to other federal agencies!

Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY), come on down. Earlier this week, Mr. Schumer proposed that federal officials who learn of an individual's illegal drug use must report that information to the FBI. The admission would then go into a federal database, and be used to deny the individual the right to purchase a gun.

From FoxNews.com:

Noting that the alleged shooter in the Tucson massacre had admitted to military recruiters that he had used drugs on several occasions, Schumer said he is proposing to the Justice Department and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives that the military be required to to notify federal officials about such admissions. He said such a process does not require new legislation.

[snip]

Schumer said if military recruiters or other officials report admissions of drug use to a national database, those individuals could be denied a gun.

After Jared Loughner was interviewed by the military, he was rejected from the Army because of excessive drug use. Now by law, by law that's on the books, she should not have been allowed to buy a gun," Schumer told NBC.

"But the law doesn't require the military to notify the FBI about that and in this case they didn't. So I--this morning--I'm writing the administration and urging that be done and the military notify the FBI when someone is rejected from the military for excessive drug use and that be added to the FBI database."

Obviously, Schumer's "proposal" is little more than a thinly-veiled effort to restrict Second Amendment rights. But unfortunately, his suggestion may gain traction, given the fallout from the Tucson tragedy and the administration's own feelings on gun control. We can hear the arguments now: This is a reasonable proposal; it won't require any new laws and it might prevent a similar massacre in the future.

But even a cursory examination reveals that the Schumer suggestion is a horribly bad idea, on multiple levels. First, it places a undue burden on military recruiters, who talk to literally dozens of potential recruits during any given week. We're reasonably sure that Senator Schumer has no idea (read: doesn't care) how much work--and paperwork--is involved in processing a single person into the U.S. military.

Now, on top of all that effort, Schumer wants armed forces recruiters--who often work in a "one-deep" office, miles from the nearest military installation--to screen all of their contacts for illegal drug use and report it to the FBI. Memo to Mr. Schumer: in 21st Century America, most of the young men and women who express an interest in military service are ultimately rejected, for a variety of reasons. So, the recruiter must wade through his list of rejects, looking for individuals whose drug use might make them a future, crazed gunman.

Readers will also note that Senator Schumer didn't bother to define the level of illegal drug use that should be reported to the FBI. Why is that an issue? Because the U.S. military, thank God, has standards that are much tougher than society as a whole. By regulation, the armed services routinely reject applicants who fail a urinalysis test, or admit to the recreational use of marijuana (or other drugs) on more than 15 occasions. That's the way it should be. We don't want stoners (or drunks) handling classified information, or maintaining multi-billion dollar weapons systems.

But that doesn't necessarily mean those same individuals should be denied the right to own a gun. In many cases, that rejection by the military is a wake-up call, convincing young people to give up the weed or the booze and become responsible adults. Those individuals, with no arrest record or convictions on file, should not be penalized for what they told a military recruiter years ago. Under current laws, persons in that category are still eligible for gun ownership, and we see no reason to change.

Besides, the type of drug use in Lougher's case was not a clear predictor of his future rampage. We're guessing the marijuana didn't help, but no one can make the case that Lougher was pushed over the edge because of his drug use. Indeed, the type of activity that Lougher told the Army about is a misdemeanor offense in much of the country.

Ask yourself this question: Do we really need to create a national database of young people who have admitted to marijuana use, and send the FBI to pay them a visit--on the very remote chance they might buy a gun and go off the deep end? Personally, I'd rather see the FBI devote its resources to more important tasks, such as tracking down the thousands of individuals from terrorist havens who enter this country each year. That group poses a far greater menace than military rejects who admit to past recreational drug use and may choose to buy a gun some day.

Schumer's proposal creates civil liberties issues as well. Requiring military recruiters to report applicant's admitted drug use could be construed as a form of illegal domestic surveillance. There's also the matter of where the reporting might end. At some point, most recruits fill out a SF-86, which provides background information for their security clearance. Would Mr. Schumer like the military to hand over those as well? Compared to recruiter interview forms, the SF-86 is a veritable goldmine of information on past residences, associations and travels.

And while we're on that topic, what about notes from the Defense Investigative Service agents who interview the family and friends of those applying for a clearance? Did we mention that some of the claims made in those interviews are unsubstantiated? Now, imagine all that information making its way into a national database, accessible to legions of bureaucrats and available for all sorts of purposes. Gee, whatever happened to that supposed right to privacy that the left keeps harping about?

If it's any consolation, the Schumer proposal is still a ways from becoming a legal requirement. But don't discount that possibility, since it can be implemented without new legislation. Stroke of the pen, law of the land, as the Clintonistas used to say.
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ADDENDUM: Hard-core libertarians and the folks at NORML should not interpret this as an endorsement of legalizing drugs. Far from it. We still support the "zero tolerance" policy of the U.S. military and wish the same standard could be applied to military recruits. Unfortunately, the armed services have elected to tolerate certain levels of recreational drug use among prospective enlistees, due to the widespread use of marijuana among those in the primary recruiting cohort (18-25 year-olds).
10254  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: January 19, 2011, 11:34:24 AM
It's unclear what the founders meant by "natural born".

http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2010/12/bizarre-birther-intellectual-dance.html
10255  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: January 19, 2011, 11:06:50 AM
John McCain was born outside the US, but was deemed to be eligible to be president. Obama's citizenship can be presumed to be US, and I doubt he was naturalized, therefore I think it can be reasonably assumed that he is eligible to be president.
10256  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: entertainment on: January 19, 2011, 10:58:01 AM
Larry King was unintentionally funny, in a cringe inducing way.
10257  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Passport requirements on: January 19, 2011, 10:56:14 AM
http://www.travel.state.gov/passport/get/minors/minors_834.html

http://www.travel.state.gov/passport/get/secondary_evidence/secondary_evidence_4315.html
10258  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: January 19, 2011, 10:48:30 AM
To have a US passport, one must provide the US State Dept. proof of US citizenship, either by birth or by naturalization. Obama had a US passport long before he was a political figure.
10259  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Is peace possible? on: January 18, 2011, 06:04:56 PM
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/is-peace-possible-in-the-middle-east/?singlepage=true

No.
10260  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Dealing with the adrenaline dump on: January 17, 2011, 08:34:35 PM
http://www.policeone.com/training/articles/1271860-The-adrenaline-dump-Its-more-than-just-breathing/

The adrenaline dump: It's more than just breathing

By Dr. Michael J. Asken

An increasing emphasis is being placed on awareness and management of the potential negative effects of the “adrenaline dump” on police performance. For example, it has been said that the “holy grail” for firearms instructors is to teach management of the effects of adrenaline on shooting performance (1). That’s a good thing.

Excellent resources from Remsberg(2), Siddle(3), Grossman(4), Murray(5) and others, have now well described the performance changes that occur with and in high stress situations. It is also a good thing that more and more training conferences discuss these effects in a variety of presentations with the goal of preventing and managing negative effects. When participants are asked how to control such effects, there is almost always a resounding chorus with the answer: Tactical Breathing. . . and there it stops.

Tactical Breathing is a good thing; it is a very effective self-regulation technique; but, there is much more to tactical arousal control than just breathing techniques.

Physical arousal refers to those physical and psychological changes (biochemical) that occur in your body to prepare you to fight (if you are a warrior) or flee (if you are a typical untrained civilian) at maximum capacity. These effects are linked primarily to the release of adrenalin by the body to create such readiness. While some arousal is necessary for optimal performance, excessive arousal can impede effective response.
10261  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Dealing with the adrenaline dump on: January 17, 2011, 09:34:08 AM
Training, to a degree can minimize the impact of an adrenaline dump. "Combat breathing" is an effective tool as well.
10262  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Civility? on: January 17, 2011, 09:31:49 AM
Where was Wright on this?

http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/01/16/blast-from-the-green-past/
10263  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: The Emasculation of Men In Contempory Society on: January 14, 2011, 07:50:01 PM
An instructor at Front Sight has a very sad story about a young nurse being stalked by an ex, that was counseled by her co-workers not to get a gun, but get a whistle instead. She died blowing the whistle in the parking lot of the hospital, as she was stabbed multiple times with a screwdriver. The whistle stopped working during the assault, as it was so clogged with her blood.
10264  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: We the Well-armed People on: January 14, 2011, 04:49:46 PM
I agree that the gun you have is better than the one you don't have if you suddenly need one.

Contact wounds are massive, compared to the damage of a bullet alone.
10265  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Politics on: January 14, 2011, 03:16:00 PM
Watch the oil prices, stagflation and worse unemployment to undo the centrist charm offensive.
10266  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: We the Well-armed People on: January 14, 2011, 03:13:36 PM
I recommend finding ammo that functions 100% in your weapon. You'll need to run 150-200 rounds through to see if your ammo is reliable. I'm not sure I'd want to try that with Glaser.

Like real estate, ammo is all about location, location, location. Put the rounds where they need to go and they'll work.
10267  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: We the Well-armed People on: January 14, 2011, 02:08:21 PM
Aside from being very expensive, Glaser has a very poor track record in real world shootings.
10268  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / This too is torture on: January 14, 2011, 12:24:27 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Falling_Man

10269  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Interrogation methods on: January 14, 2011, 12:17:57 PM
Yes.
10270  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: We the Well-armed People on: January 14, 2011, 12:12:59 PM
Crafty,

Everything is a trade off. A .380 is easier to conceal, but I like being able to use the same mags. I like my Ruger SP101 .357 Mag, but I like having more than 5 shots.
10271  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / We've only just begun on: January 14, 2011, 12:04:02 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_foreclosure_rates

NEW YORK – The bleakest year in the foreclosure crisis has only just begun.

Lenders are poised to take back more homes this year than any other since the U.S. housing meltdown began in 2006. About 5 million borrowers are at least two months behind on their mortgages and industry experts say more people will miss payments because of job losses and also loans that exceed the value of the homes they are living in.

"2011 is going to be the peak," said Rick Sharga, a senior vice president at foreclosure tracker RealtyTrac Inc. The firm predicts 1.2 million homes will be repossessed this year.
10272  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: We the Well-armed People on: January 14, 2011, 11:42:44 AM
I've used a naked 19 clip, and yes it works, and I like the look of the accessory shown there, but why not just carry the 19 then?

It's still easier to conceal. The 26 rode in a inner pocket of my duty jacket, a 19 wouldn't have fit.
10273  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: We the Well-armed People on: January 14, 2011, 11:40:55 AM
Woof,
 The 40's offer maximum punch with less recoil than a 45 and more ammo in the mag and like I said you can turn them into another set of guns by just dropping a 9mm barrel in them for even more ammo capacity, less recoil and cheaper bullets when you want.
                          P.C.

I've talked to a forensic pathologist with a huge database of GSW documentation. He was very clear that there is no way to differentiate between handgun caliber wounds in human tissue. He identifies the caliber by the bullets/casings recovered.
10274  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Interrogation methods on: January 14, 2011, 11:37:19 AM
No, It doesn't. I recall reading about FBI agents picking up a jihadist from the Egyptians, who had him tied to a spit and were rotating him over a fire. IIRC, this was during the Clinton administration. I'm not bothered by this, though I don't want us doing it. Unfortunately, Egypt doesn't save these methods for just really bad people.
10275  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: We the Well-armed People on: January 14, 2011, 11:25:58 AM
Crafty,

Have you tried using a 19 mag in the 26 with a grip extender?

I've used this on a 26 carried as a backup gun.

http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=14&CAT=24
10276  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Interrogation methods on: January 14, 2011, 11:23:16 AM
SERE training is brutal and traumatic. The concept is to innoculate the trainees for what they might face in the future. Right now, Obama is subcontracting torture out to foreign countries like Egypt, where setting pubic hair on fire is a common method to start off the questioning.

I tend to use as a rule, if we do it to our troops, it isn't torture, if it's something we wouldn't do because it's too brutal for our troops, then it's torture.
10277  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Hate Speech from the Left? on: January 14, 2011, 11:07:39 AM
Where was Wright's concerns about the venom from the left during two terms of George W. Bush?

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0901/James-Lee-killed-in-Discovery-Channel-hostage-crisis-reminiscent-of-Unabomber

The man who entered the Discovery Channel headquarters in Silver Spring, Md., with a handgun and what appeared to be explosives Wednesday, taking several hostages, is being described in news reports as an “environmental activist.”


If so, his ideology is reminiscent of the infamous “Unabomber” – Theodore Kaczynski, now serving life in prison for a series of mail bombings that killed three people and injured 23 others.

The man in the Discovery Channel episode, identified by law enforcement officials as James J. Lee, apparently held beliefs similar to Kaczynski: that human population growth and modern industrial development imperil the planet.

Several hours after the episode began, Mr. Lee reportedly was shot and killed by sniper. Three hostages were released unharmed.

“The debate about the state of the planet is done,” Lee writes on his web site. “Global Warming is a reality. The massive extinction of animals is happening all over the world. Now let us begin the debate on how to save the planet. We can’t wait anymore, something must be done immediately! Let’s act on it right away; let this be a new chapter in the earth’s history. As human beings we must join together to save it.”
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38923

Eco-Terror’s Inspiration
by Brian Sussman
09/10/2010



Eco-terrorist James Jay Lee last week executed a dangerous hostage plot inside the headquarters of the Discovery Channel. Armed with what appeared to be pipe bombs and a cheap pistol, Lee claimed to have been “awakened” by Al Gore’s film, "An Inconvenient Truth".

Lee regarded humans as the “most destructive, filthy, pollutive creatures around.” His desire was to force the Discovery Channel to fill its programming schedule with “solutions to save the planet.” Lee was shot and killed by police.

Sadly, Lee is not first eco-freak to go off. In 2005 the FBI declared domestic eco-terrorism to be America’s No. 1 threat.


Recent examples of enviro-violence include two large commercial radio towers toppled in Washington. The site was tagged with the letters “ELF.” Photos of the destruction were posted on the Earth Liberation Front website.

In April, ELF member Stephen Murphy was sentenced to five years after admitting he conspired to burn down a condominium development in Pasadena, Calif.

Daniel San Diego is wanted for his alleged involvement in the bombing of a biotech firm near San Francisco. According to the FBI, San Diego bears freaky tattoos resembling burning hillsides on his chest with the words “It only takes a spark” below, as well as burning buildings on his abdomen and a leafless tree rising from a road on his back.

The most notorious eco-terrorist is Ted Kaczynski—the Unabomber.  Over 17 years Kaczynski sent out mail bombs, killing three people and wounding 22. He also managed to sneak a bomb onto a 747 passenger jet flying between Chicago and Washington D.C. Fortunately the bomb didn’t discharge as planned.

Kaczynski’s reign ended in 1996, shortly after he made public his now infamous manifesto. In it he opined, “One of the effects of the intrusion of industrial society has been that over much of the world traditional controls on population have been thrown out of balance. Hence the population explosion, with all that it implies… No one knows what will happen as a result of ozone depletion, the greenhouse effect and other environmental problems that cannot yet be foreseen.”

And discovered by the FBI in the Unabomber’s Montana hovel? A well-worn copy of Al Gore’s 1990 screed, Earth In The Balance. Kaczynski apparently was quite taken by Gore’s missive. His copy of Earth In The Balance was dog-eared, underlined, marked and well worn.

The question is, why should anyone be surprised when environmental nut jobs mentally detonate? If one takes the warnings of Al Gore and his comrades as gospel, planet earth is a ticking time bomb and if nothing is done to stop it we’ll all perish. For some such fear mongering becomes a clarion call to aggressive action.

For example, in Earth In The Balance, Gore likens the fight against global warming with that of a deadly wartime enemy, stating, the “assault on the earth is breathtaking, and the horrific consequences are occurring so quickly as to defy our capacity to recognize them… Isolated pockets of resistance fighters who have experienced this juggernaut first hand have begun to fight back in inspiring but, in the final analysis, woefully inadequate ways.”

Speaking at the 2008 Clinton Global Initiative conference Gore proclaimed, “I believe we have reached the stage where it is time for civil disobedience to prevent the construction of new coal plants.”

Gore’s friend and consigliore, NASA director James Hansen, has gone so far as to refer to rail cars carrying coal as “death trains.” Hansen also claims, “We only have four years left to act on climate change” before we reach the point of no return. “I tell young people,” he said during a radio interview in San Francisco, “they had better start to act up because they are the ones who will suffer the most.”

Take the words of Gore and Hansen and add another of Al’s pals into the mix—Earth Day cofounder and author of The Population Bomb and The Population Explosion (the latter possessed a jacket endorsement by Al Gore)—Paul Ehrlich, and you have further fuel for fanaticism. Ehrlich actually equates overpopulation with a cancer that needs to be cut out. “The operation will demand many apparently brutal and heartless decisions,” he wrote in Population Bomb.

Fact is Gore, Hansen, and Ehrlich have been feeding the public a steady diet of fear and trembling for years. Words such as theirs too often have caused some to go over the brink.  

As I prove in my book Climategate, the environmental movement, fronted by Al Gore, is purposefully using a manufactured crisis to institute sweeping social and political change, and create an opportunity to score big bucks off green technologies and schemes like cap-and-trade.

Tragically there are too many useful idiots who believe the likes of Gore, and have decided to take matters into their own hands.

Brian Sussman is author of Climategate: a veteran meteorologist exposes the global warming scam, and hosts the morning show on radio station KSFO in San Francisco.
10278  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Military Science and Military Issues on: January 14, 2011, 10:45:59 AM
A PLA that has so little control over it is a scary thing indeed.
10279  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / SERE waterboarding on: January 14, 2011, 10:20:04 AM
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23220

Waterboarding: A SERE-ing Experience for Tens of Thousands of US Military Personnel
by Cdr. Frank 'Spig' Wead
11/05/2007



[Editor’s Note: Because of Sens. Schumer and Feinstein’s decision to vote for him. the nomination of Judge Michael Mukasey to the post of Attorney General is no longer in danger. Judge Mukasey’s nomination was threatened because of his refusal to describe the harsh interrogation technique of water-boarding as torture. Still, Democrats and some Republicans continue to demand that water-boarding should be statutorily defined to be torture and thus outlawed. We believe this would be a terrible mistake.

Water-boarding, like many other interrogation techniques, could be torture in the hands of a sadist. But -- as the following article demonstrates -- it can be an effective interrogation technique and an essential tool of training, as it has been for US Navy and Air Force pilots.

“Spig” Wead is the pseudonym of a retired Naval aviator who served in the post-Vietnam era.]


“Train like you Fight, Fight like you Train” is the motto of the world’s most elite pilots, the US Navy’s. Based on lessons learned from survivors of the brutal North Korean and North Vietnam torture of US military prisoners of war, the Department of Defense ordered all branches of the services to implement comprehensive Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape (S.E.R.E.) training programs. Every member of Congress should be extremely well versed on the military S.E.R.E. programs since they have had direct oversight and funding of these programs for over 40 years. Viewing the most recent Congressional hearing, one must assume that they are ignorant of or intentionally misrepresent the very programs that they fund and support.

My personal experience with S.E.R.E. training came as a junior pilot flying the F-14A “Tomcat” at NAS Miramar, California. The US Navy S.E.R.E. program requires all Aircrew Members and members of Special Operation Teams (SOF) to undergo both classroom and field experience in these vital techniques. Classroom and field training was accomplished by a cadre of highly trained and disciplined personnel, many of whom had been held as POW’s and tortured by the North Vietnamese.

What actually happens in S.E.R.E. in the field? Classes of 40 or more “students” are put through beach and water (swimming) survival techniques, similar to the TV show “Survivor” but without the rewards challenges. The class is then moved to a remote location to survive and evade prior to entering the US Navy run POW camp. The operation of the evasion complex is based on the trainee being briefed on the enemy position and the location of friendly forces. The object, “to make like a bush”, be patient and deliberate and use all your new taught skills to evade a large contingent of simulated enemy combatants in uniform. They speak like the enemy, act like the enemy, and most importantly train you on how to react to the enemy. While they fire AK-47’s over your head, and search for the ugly “American War Criminals” (thanks Jane), you spend agonizing hours crawling and hiding in an attempt to reach safety. As in real life, few if any make it to safety when behind enemy lines.

When captured you are brought to an initial holding facility. Hands and feet bound and hooded you are thrown into a barbed wire holding cell. As a former football player and wrestler I felt confident that I had that “John Wayne” attitude, Name, Rank and Serial Number….nothing more. Life and the Navy were about to teach this million dollar trained, blond headed, college, Fly Boy a new and most important lesson.

When brought into the first “interrogation”, hooded and hands bound, I was asked the basic questions, no problems...then I was asked a question -- the first among many not permitted under the Geneva Convention. Congress, the media and some of the public have forgotten a very basic and important tenant of the Geneva Convention. Terrorists, insurgents, IED Specialists, Suicide Bombers and all those not wearing a uniform in war are not in any form protected by the Geneva Convention. I did not answer the interrogators’ questions: then the fun and games began.

Carefully using a technique of grabbing your shirt at the pockets and wrapping his fists so that his knuckles pressed into the muscles of my breast plate, the instructor flung me across the room karate style and into a corrugated wall. No more questions; around and around the room I flew, a dance which while blind folded and hooded made me feel like “Raggedy Andy” in a tug of war with two bullying kids. Following the first interrogation we were loaded into trucks, bound and hooded, head to who knows were...for the first time real fear starts to set in and you look for inner strength in your heart, training and comrades.

Arriving at the POW Camp I was kept hooded and placed in a small box, 2 feet wide, 3 feet long and maybe 3 feet high. I was left the fetal position, sitting on my butt, stripped nearly naked (just week old BVD’s) and left sealed with your defecation can inside your box. Heat, cold, isolation, no communications, and constant noise, music, propaganda, coupled with verbal abuse by your captors is the norm, 24/7. Every twenty minutes or so the guards come by your box and rattle it, sneaking up and demanding to hear your War Criminal Number (thanks again, Jane, for the classification). No more name, rank or serial number, they want some real answers to real security questions. You agonize in your isolation as your hear other members of your group being pulled out for more “personal one on one interrogation”. Then it’s your turn. Pulled from your box you are again brought in for questioning. If unhappy with your answers or no answers, the “Raggedy Andy” dance began again with vigor in the cold night air.

Then it was time for the dreaded waterboard. What I didn’t know then, but I do now, is that as in all interrogations, both for real world hostile terrorists (non-uniformed combatants) and in S.E.R.E. a highly trained group of doctors, psychologists, interrogators, and strap-in and strap-out rescue teams are always present. My first experience on the “waterboard” was to be laying on my back, on a board with my body at a 30 degree slope, feet in the air, head down, face-up. The straps are all-confining, with the only movement of your body that of the ability to move your head. Slowly water is poured in your face, up your nose, and some in your mouth. The questions from interrogators and amounts of water increase with each unsuccessful response. Soon they have your complete attention as you begin to believe you are going to drown.

Scared, alone, cold and in total lack of control, you learn to “cooperate” to the best of your ability to protect your life. For each person that level of cooperation or resistance is different. You must be tested and trained to know how to respond in the real combat world. Escape was the key to freedom and reward.

Those students escaping would be rewarded with a meal (apple, and PB&J sandwich) was what we had been told by our instructors. On my next journey to interrogation I saw an opportunity to escape. I fled into the woods, naked and cold, and hid. My captors came searching with AK-47’s blazing, and calls to “kill the American War Criminal” in broken English. After an hour of successfully evading, the voices called out in perfect English. “O.K., problem’s over…you escaped, come in for your sandwich.” When I stood up and revealed my position I was met by a crowd of angry enemy guards, “stupid American Criminal”! Back to the Waterboard I went.

This time we went right to the water hose in the face, and a wet towel held tightly on my forehead so that I could not move my head. I had embarrassed my captors and they would now show me that they had total control. The most agonizing and frightful moments are when the wet towel is placed over your nose and mouth and the water hose is placed directly over your mouth. Holding your breath, bucking at the straps, straining to remain conscious, you believe with all your heart that, that, you are going to die.

S.E.R.E. training is not pleasant, but it is critical to properly prepare our most endangered combat forces for the reality of enemy capture. Was I “tortured” by the US military? No. Was I trained in an effort to protect my life and the lives of other American fighting men? Yes! Freedom is not Free, nor does it come without sacrifice. Every good American understands this basic principle of our country and prays for the young men and women who have sacrificed and are out on the front lines protecting us today.

Now, let’s see Congress: Maybe forty or so students per week, let’s say 100 minimum per month, 1,200 per year for over twenty or thirty years? It could be as many as 40,000 students trained in S.E.R.E. and “tortured” at the direction of, and under the watchful eye of the Congressional Majorities on both sides of the aisle. Be careful that the 40,000 of us who you have “tortured” don’t come after you today with tort claims. I heard it pays about $3 million per claim.

Congress, you need to get the politics out of the war zone and focus on your job. Gaining information in non-lethal interrogations against non-uniformed terrorists is what is protecting our country today. If you had done your job the past twenty years perhaps one of my favorite wingmen in the F-14A would be alive today.

Lt Tom “Stout” McGuinness of the VF-21 “Freelancers” went through S.E.R.E. training during my tenure. But when it came down to the crisis moment, his “interrogators” did not give him the waterboard. They merely went into the cockpit of American Airlines Flight 11, slashed Tom’s throat, and flew the first aircraft into the North Tower of World Trade Center on 9/11.

Congress, let me ask you a very simple question about your leadership and your sworn responsibility. It is a yes or no question, and you have a personal choice to make.

Would you endorse the use of a waterboard interrogation technique against a terrorist like Mohamed Atta al Sayed, the leader of the highjacking of American Airlines Flight 11 or not. The answer for me is simple: “turn on the hose.” If you answer anything else, then God help America because Tom died in vain.
10280  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Interrogation methods on: January 14, 2011, 10:09:39 AM
Waterboarding or stress positions or loud music are not torture. To call this torture makes the word meaningless.
10281  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: We the Well-armed People on: January 14, 2011, 09:13:56 AM
I only own 9mm Glocks. 19s,17 and 26s.
10282  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Citizens defend themselves/others. on: January 13, 2011, 07:48:06 PM
Doug,

There is no easy answer. In the old days, state mental hospitals housed lots of seriously mentally ill people. They also housed people that might be eccentric or non-conformist or otherwise not deserving of being deprived of personal freedoms.

Now, even the seriously mentally ill get stabilized on meds and kicked out the door. Few mentally ill in the US stay in psych facilities long term, unless they have the financial ability to pay for long term inpatient care.

Keep in mind that lots of guns in the US trade hands while never getting near a licensed dealer with instacheck.
10283  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Citizens defend themselves/others. on: January 13, 2011, 07:41:53 PM
As I understand, unless there is a legal proceeding where a person is committed to a psych facility against their will, there is no disqualification from purchase/possession of a firearm. DOJ would have no way of knowing about anything else.
10284  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Citizens defend themselves/others. on: January 13, 2011, 06:49:06 PM
PC,

The Pima county Sheriff is a douche.

Doug,

The federal law says if you are adjudicated mentally defective (ill), then you will be denied by Instacheck. If you have some degree of mental illness, but have not gone before a judge, then there is no legal reason to deny the purchase. To place a person on a 72 hr. psych hold, a peace officer or medical professional (in general, in most all states) must reasonably believe that the person is a threat to self or others or is gravely disabled, unable to care for themselves. You must be able to articulate why you believe this to be the case. You face both civil and criminal liability for seizing a person and not having a judge finding the seizure reasonable. To be adjudicated, after the 72 hr. hold, the shrink must go before a judge and have the judge sign off on an involuntary commitment to a psych facility. Now, keep in mind that a career psych patient that always voluntarily committed themselves to inpatient treatment wouldn't have the paper trail to prevent them from being able to purchase a firearm.

Z,

Yup.
10285  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Interrogation methods on: January 13, 2011, 05:46:31 PM
There is a difference between torture and enhanced interrogation.
10286  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: We the Well-armed People on: January 13, 2011, 05:12:26 PM
I love Glocks. Carried one almost all of my time as a cop.
10287  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Manufacturing dissent on: January 13, 2011, 06:37:47 AM
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/01/12/video-shooter-a-nonpartisan-nutcase-says-friend/

**Funny how you don't see this in the MSM's coverage.
10288  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Politics on: January 10, 2011, 08:15:13 PM
CCP,

I don't think there has been the same level of venom from the right that there has been from the left. They spent from 2000 to 2009 setting the bar with "Chimpy-Bushitler" rhetoric, then scream that mainstream conservatives are preaching hatred now.

Thus far, the only voices the AZ shooter seems to have been listening to were in his head.
10289  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Politics on: January 10, 2011, 02:16:50 PM
Doug,

As much as my blood boils every time I see the Westboro douchbags, were they going to Gitmo, the left would have you, me and many others from this board on the next flight after them.
10290  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Culture of hatred on: January 10, 2011, 01:44:59 PM
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/

Dialog.
10291  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Politics on: January 10, 2011, 10:39:54 AM
Aside from showing signs of serious mental illness, the AZ shooter was a 9/11 truther. Although, that too may well be a symptom of serious mental illness.
10292  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Guro Crafty in Israel May 6-7 on: January 10, 2011, 07:37:35 AM
Flying El Al?
10293  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Rest in Peace on: January 09, 2011, 08:39:31 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/09/mother-youngest-shooting-victim-describes-girl-bright-vivacious/


10294  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Guro Crafty in Israel May 6-7 on: January 09, 2011, 07:15:24 PM
Very cool! I wish I could go.
10295  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Tax Policy on: January 09, 2011, 07:11:41 PM
Hussein called Gibbs' salary at 172,000 a year modest, yet he set 200,000 a year as a single filer as being "rich". Where is his line?
10296  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / E&E out of the PRK on: January 09, 2011, 05:54:13 PM
Crafty,

Get out ASAP. Nothing good is coming to the PRK.
10297  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Islam in America and the rest of the western hemisphere on: January 07, 2011, 08:16:56 AM
"Believers, the men and the women, are friends of one another; they command right, and forbid wrong" (9:71)

009.005
YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

009.023
YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! do not take your fathers and your brothers for guardians if they love unbelief more than belief; and whoever of you takes them for a guardian, these it is that are the unjust.

009.038
YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! What aileth you that when it is said unto you: Go forth in the way of Allah, ye are bowed down to the ground with heaviness. Take ye pleasure in the life of the world rather than in the Hereafter? The comfort of the life of the world is but little in the Hereafter.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! What (excuse) have you that when it is said to you: Go forth in Allah's way, you should incline heavily to earth; are you contented with this world's life instead of the hereafter? But the provision of this world's life compared with the hereafter is but little.

009.039
YUSUFALI: Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things.
PICKTHAL: If ye go not forth He will afflict you with a painful doom, and will choose instead of you a folk other than you. Ye cannot harm Him at all. Allah is Able to do all things.
SHAKIR: If you do not go forth, He will chastise you with a painful chastisement and bring in your place a people other than you, and you will do Him no harm; and Allah has power over all things.

009.040
YUSUFALI: If ye help not (your leader), (it is no matter): for Allah did indeed help him, when the Unbelievers drove him out: he had no more than one companion; they two were in the cave, and he said to his companion, "Have no fear, for Allah is with us": then Allah sent down His peace upon him, and strengthened him with forces which ye saw not, and humbled to the depths the word of the Unbelievers. But the word of Allah is exalted to the heights: for Allah is Exalted in might, Wise.
PICKTHAL: If ye help him not, still Allah helped him when those who disbelieve drove him forth, the second of two; when they two were in the cave, when he said unto his comrade: Grieve not. Lo! Allah is with us. Then Allah caused His peace of reassurance to descend upon him and supported him with hosts ye cannot see, and made the word of those who disbelieved the nethermost, while Allah's Word it was that became the uppermost. Allah is Mighty, Wise.
SHAKIR: If you will not aid him, Allah certainly aided him when those who disbelieved expelled him, he being the second of the two, when they were both in the cave, when he said to his companion: Grieve not, surely Allah is with us. So Allah sent down His tranquillity upon him and strengthened him with hosts which you did not see, and made lowest the word of those who disbelieved; and the word of Allah, that is the highest; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

009.041
YUSUFALI: Go ye forth, (whether equipped) lightly or heavily, and strive and struggle, with your goods and your persons, in the cause of Allah. That is best for you, if ye (but) knew.
PICKTHAL: Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew.
SHAKIR: Go forth light and heavy, and strive hard in Allah's way with your property and your persons; this is better for you, if you know.

009.042
YUSUFALI: If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them. They would indeed swear by Allah, "If we only could, we should certainly have come out with you": They would destroy their own souls; for Allah doth know that they are certainly lying.
PICKTHAL: Had it been a near adventure and an easy journey they had followed thee, but the distance seemed too far for them. Yet will they swear by Allah (saying): If we had been able we would surely have set out with you. They destroy their souls, and Allah knoweth that they verily are liars.
SHAKIR: Had it been a near advantage and a short journey, they would certainly have followed you, but the tedious journey was too long for them; and they swear by Allah: If we had been able, we would certainly have gone forth with you; they cause their own souls to perish, and Allah knows that they are most surely

009.043
YUSUFALI: Allah give thee grace! why didst thou grant them until those who told the truth were seen by thee in a clear light, and thou hadst proved the liars?
PICKTHAL: Allah forgive thee (O Muhammad)! Wherefor didst thou grant them leave ere those who told the truth were manifest to thee and thou didst know the liars?
SHAKIR: Allah pardon you! Why did you give them leave until those who spoke the truth had become manifest to you and you had known the liars?

009.044
YUSUFALI: Those who believe in Allah and the Last Day ask thee for no exemption from fighting with their goods and persons. And Allah knoweth well those who do their duty.
PICKTHAL: Those who believe in Allah and the Last Day ask no leave of thee lest they should strive with their wealth and their lives. Allah is Aware of those who keep their duty (unto Him).
SHAKIR: They do not ask leave of you who believe in Allah and the latter day (to stay away) from striving hard with their property and their persons, and Allah knows those who guard (against evil).

009.068
YUSUFALI: Allah hath promised the Hypocrites men and women, and the rejecters, of Faith, the fire of Hell: Therein shall they dwell: Sufficient is it for them: for them is the curse of Allah, and an enduring punishment,-
PICKTHAL: Allah promiseth the hypocrites, both men and women, and the disbelievers fire of hell for their abode. It will suffice them. Allah curseth them, and theirs is lasting torment.
SHAKIR: Allah has promised the hypocritical men and the hypocritical women and the unbelievers the fire of hell to abide therein; it is enough for them; and Allah has cursed them and they shall have lasting punishment.

009.069
YUSUFALI: As in the case of those before you: they were mightier than you in power, and more flourishing in wealth and children. They had their enjoyment of their portion: and ye have of yours, as did those before you; and ye indulge in idle talk as they did. They!- their work are fruitless in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will lose (all spiritual good).
PICKTHAL: Even as those before you who were mightier than you in strength, and more affluent than you in wealth and children. They enjoyed their lot awhile, so ye enjoy your lot awhile even as those before you did enjoy their lot awhile. And ye prate even as they prated. Such are they whose works have perished in the world and the Hereafter. Such are they who are the losers.
SHAKIR: Like those before you; they were stronger than you in power and more abundant in wealth and children, so they enjoyed their portion; thus have you enjoyed your portion as those before you enjoyed their portion; and you entered into vain discourses like the vain discourses in which entered those before you. These are they whose works are null in this world and the hereafter, and these are they who are the losers.

009.070
YUSUFALI: Hath not the story reached them of those before them?- the People of Noah, and 'Ad, and Thamud; the People of Abraham, the men of Midian, and the cities overthrown. To them came their messengers with clear signs. It is not Allah Who wrongs them, but they wrong their own souls.
PICKTHAL: Hath not the fame of those before them reached them - the folk of Noah, A'ad, Thamud, the folk of Abraham, the dwellers of Midian and the disasters (which befell them)? Their messengers (from Allah) came unto them with proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty). So Allah surely wronged them not, but they did wrong themselves.
SHAKIR: Has not the news of those before them come to them; of the people of Nuh and Ad and Samood, and the people of Ibrahim and the dwellers of Madyan and the overthrown cities; their messengers came to them with clear arguments; so it was not Allah Who should do them injustice, but they were unjust to themselves.

009.071
YUSUFALI: The Believers, men and women, are protectors one of another: they enjoin what is just, and forbid what is evil: they observe regular prayers, practise regular charity, and obey Allah and His Messenger. On them will Allah pour His mercy: for Allah is Exalted in power, Wise.
PICKTHAL: And the believers, men and women, are protecting friends one of another; they enjoin the right and forbid the wrong, and they establish worship and they pay the poor-due, and they obey Allah and His messenger. As for these, Allah will have mercy on them. Lo! Allah is Mighty, Wise.
SHAKIR: And (as for) the believing men and the believing women, they are guardians of each other; they enjoin good and forbid evil and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, and obey Allah and His Messenger; (as for) these, Allah will show mercy to them; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.

009.072
YUSUFALI: Allah hath promised to Believers, men and women, gardens under which rivers flow, to dwell therein, and beautiful mansions in gardens of everlasting bliss. But the greatest bliss is the good pleasure of Allah: that is the supreme felicity.
PICKTHAL: Allah promiseth to the believers, men and women, Gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide - blessed dwellings in Gardens of Eden. And - greater (far)! - acceptance from Allah. That is the supreme triumph.
SHAKIR: Allah has promised to the believing men and the believing women gardens, beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them, and goodly dwellings in gardens of perpetual abode; and best of all is Allah's goodly pleasure; that is the grand achievement.

009.073
YUSUFALI: O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.
PICKTHAL: O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end.
SHAKIR: O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.
10298  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Islam in America and the rest of the western hemisphere on: January 07, 2011, 08:07:17 AM
Nice sentiments from Dr. Ahmed, however the koran doesn't teach what the good doctor says it does.

"Let there be one community of you, calling good and commanding right and forbidding wrong" (3:110)

003.110
YUSUFALI: Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.
PICKTHAL: Ye are the best community that hath been raised up for mankind. Ye enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency; and ye believe in Allah. And if the People of the Scripture had believed it had been better for them. Some of them are believers; but most of them are evil-livers.
SHAKIR: You are the best of the nations raised up for (the benefit of) men; you enjoin what is right and forbid the wrong and believe in Allah; and if the followers of the Book had believed it would have been better for them; of them (some) are believers and most of them are transgressors.

003.111
YUSUFALI: They will do you no harm, barring a trifling annoyance; if they come out to fight you, they will show you their backs, and no help shall they get.
PICKTHAL: They will not harm you save a trifling hurt, and if they fight against you they will turn and flee. And afterward they will not be helped.
SHAKIR: They shall by no means harm you but with a slight evil; and if they fight with you they shall turn (their) backs to you, then shall they not be helped.

003.112
YUSUFALI: Shame is pitched over them (Like a tent) wherever they are found, except when under a covenant (of protection) from Allah and from men; they draw on themselves wrath from Allah, and pitched over them is (the tent of) destitution. This because they rejected the Signs of Allah, and slew the prophets in defiance of right; this because they rebelled and transgressed beyond bounds.
PICKTHAL: Ignominy shall be their portion wheresoever they are found save (where they grasp) a rope from Allah and a rope from men. They have incurred anger from their Lord, and wretchedness is laid upon them. That is because they used to disbelieve the revelations of Allah, and slew the prophets wrongfully. That is because they were rebellious and used to transgress.
SHAKIR: Abasement is made to cleave to them wherever they are found, except under a covenant with Allah and a covenant with men, and they have become deserving of wrath from Allah, and humiliation is made to cleave to them; this is because they disbelieved in the communications of Allah and slew the prophets unjustly; this is because they disobeyed and exceeded the limits.
10299  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: US-China on: January 06, 2011, 08:42:58 PM
Yup.
10300  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Credit where credit is due on: January 06, 2011, 08:42:05 PM
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/95/3216/Egypt/Attack-on-Egypt-Copts/Egypt-Muslims-to-act-as-human-shields-at-Coptic-Ch.aspx

Egypt Muslims to act as "human shields" at Coptic Christmas Eve mass
Coptic Churches around the country expect an influx of Egyptian Muslims to share with the country's Christians their Christmas Eve mass

**It would be nice to see this as the start of something important. It won't stop the jihadists though.
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