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10501  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Political Economics on: December 22, 2010, 10:37:01 AM

 "It's hard to see how this self-reinforcing process of recovery can be derailed."

Um......Howabout states defaulting on debt? Govenment shutdowns? Trillions in new nat'l debt? QE2?
10502  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Nuclear War, WMD issues on: December 22, 2010, 09:45:24 AM
The democrats and rinos can't be trusted with national security?

Who could have seen that coming??   rolleyes
10503  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / We're in the best of hands on: December 21, 2010, 08:33:34 PM

Brennan and Napolitano knew of the arrests and said that the plot would not have threatened the United States, but Director Clapper, who briefs the president daily on the nation's security, appeared to be unfamiliar with the events in London.

"First of all, London," Sawyer said. "How serious is it? Any implication that it was coming here? ... Director Clapper?"

"London?" Clapper said, before Brennan entered the conversation explaining the arrests.

Later in the interview, Sawyer returned to the subject.

"I was a little surprised you didn't know about London," Sawyer told Clapper.

"Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't," he replied.
10504  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Politically (In)correct on: December 21, 2010, 01:20:38 PM
NY appeals court OKs ex-sailor's terror conviction

Published December 20, 2010

NEW YORK –  A federal appeals court Monday upheld the conviction of a former Navy sailor serving a 10-year prison sentence after he leaked details about ship movements to a London-based Web site operator that supported attacking Americans.

The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Manhattan rejected defense arguments seeking to overturn the 2008 conviction of Hassan Abu-Jihaad of Phoenix. He was a signalman aboard the USS Benfold who was honorably discharged from the Navy in 2002.

Abu-Jihaad was sentenced last year to 10 years in prison by a federal judge in New Haven, Conn., after he was convicted on charges that he disclosed classified national defense information. Prosecutors at trial had labeled him a traitor. A message for comment left with Abu-Jihaad's defense lawyer was not immediately returned Monday.

In upholding the conviction, the three-judge appeals panel ruled that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act was constitutional and was used properly in the investigation to obtain evidence related to overseas communications.

Abu-Jihaad was accused of leaking details of ship movements to London-based Azzam Publications, an organization that in 2001 maintained web sites that openly espoused violent jihad against the U.S., the appeals court said.

The leaked information included the makeup of his Navy battle group and a drawing of the formation the group would use to pass through the dangerous Strait of Hormuz in the Persian Gulf in April 2001. The ships were not attacked.

In 1997, Abu-Jihaad changed his name from Paul Raphael Hall to Hassan Abu-Jihaad, the surname of which translates to "Father of Jihad," the appeals court said.

"This curious choice appears not to have raised any concern in the United States Navy when, in January 1998, Abu-Jihaad enlisted," the appeals court said. It said the Navy cleared Abu-Jihaad to receive classified national defense information from 1998 to 2002.

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10505  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Law Enforcement issues on: December 21, 2010, 12:05:04 PM
With this administration? I can't dismiss it, something that stupid would be quite consistent with all their other stupid moves.
10506  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Islam in Europe on: December 20, 2010, 11:41:20 PM
Just showing how their time in the UK obviously made them moderate muslims, they didn't just kill her outright.
10507  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Issues in the American Creed (Constitutional Law and related matters) on: December 20, 2010, 11:20:51 PM

"Sanford V. Levinson, a professor of constitutional law at the University of Texas, called the proposal “a really terrible idea” because it would give the same weight to small states as it would to large ones, allowing those with a relatively small proportion of the national population to have outsize influence."

Yes, we are much better off with a few large cities on either coast having disproportionate influence on the country.  rolleyes
10508  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Privacy on: December 20, 2010, 11:16:11 PM
So, is there a real concern/demand for such protections in social networking? Say you started "Rachelbook" with the policies below as your selling point. Do you think that would be a winning business plan for attracting people who go out of their way to post pictures of themselves puking on spring break?
10509  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Religion of peace settles family dispute on: December 20, 2010, 10:46:18 PM

Harry Potter Actress Beaten, Called a Prostitute by Family for Seeing Non-Muslim

    * Posted on December 20, 2010 at 6:53pm by Meredith Jessup Meredith Jessup
Afshan Azad, the 22-year-old British actress who portrayed Padma Patil, a classmate of Harry Potter in the blockbuster Hollywood films, was reportedly beaten, called a ‘whore’ and threatened with death by members of her own family after dating a young, non-Muslim man.

According to the UK’s Daily Mail, the young actress was assaulted and called a ‘prostitute’ after she met with a young Hindu man — a potential relationship that apparently angered her father and brother. After her family members threatened to kill her, Azad reportedly fled the family’s home through her bedroom window. The movie star is apparently so frightened of her brother and father, she has refused to confront them in court.

    Both men were charged with making threats to kill her and her brother was also charged with assault occasioning actual bodily harm on his sister.

    Instead of both going on trial today, the prosecution decided to accept a guilty plea of assault by her brother, and both men were formally found not guilty of making threats to kill. …

    Richard Vardon QC, prosecuting, told the court: ‘The incident took place on Saturday 21 of May at the home address of the family in Longsight, Manchester.

    ‘The prosecution allegation in essence is she was the victim of a wholly unnecessary and unpleasant assault by her brother.

    ‘The reason for the assault, apparently her association with a Hindu young man, that apparently being disapproved of by her family who are Muslim.

    ‘Specifically she spoke not only of assault but also threats to kill, made jointly by her father and brother.’

According to the prosecutor, the father was awoken by his son when he shouted, “Sort out your daughter!  She’s a slag (slang for ‘whore’)!”

    ‘[The brother] continued to further assault her, in disputed Bengali, shouting, “Just kill her!”

    ‘The assault continued. There was a discussion where she was being called a prostitute.’

    The threats to kill her apparently continued, the witness told police in a statement.

    Reading from the victim’s statement, Mr Vardon added: ‘My father began saying he would do it, a reference to kill her, as he did not want his sons to have her blood on their hands and he would do time for it.

    ‘Then she began to feel very scared.

    ‘Having gone to the police in respect of these matters she made a statement to the police on 22nd of May.

    ‘Part of her version of events was that he was going to force the complainant into a forced marriage of some sort.’

But, according to the prosecutor’s report, the young actress was too afraid of her own family members to press formal assault charges:

    After going to police she ‘made it plain’ to officers and lawyers that she did not want any action taken against her family, or the arrest of her father or brother otherwise it would put her in ‘genuine danger’.

    ‘She came to police for help and support, and the arrest of her family members would not be of assistance,’ Mr Vardon added.

    The prosecutor said she later made ‘retraction statements’ to police and reiterated her lack of willingness to support any prosecution.

    She also ‘put a gloss’ on her father’s words by saying she found it hard to understand his heavy Bengali accent so could not be sure what he had said.

Both men were found not guilty on death threats and the son pleaded guilty to one count of assault, but was bailed out and awaits formal sentencing in January and has been instructed not to contact his sister.  Both men have been ordered to “keep the peace” on parole.
10510  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Immigration issues on: December 20, 2010, 04:11:39 PM
10511  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Methodists? Mormons? on: December 20, 2010, 04:01:38 PM
**They must be christians, because the bible is more violent than the koran, or so i've been told. Oh, and jihad means "warm woolen mittens and whiskers on kittens", or something to that effect....

Terror Plot Foiled in Britain
12 men suspected of planning to set off a number of bombs are under arrest.
10512  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Citizen-Police interactions on: December 20, 2010, 01:54:46 PM
Stopping in a well lit parking lot is good. Turning on your dome light is also good. As Crafty did, keeping hands visible is very good, though just keeping them visible on the steering wheel is fine.

Don't frantically dig for your documents. The officer can't tell if you are digging for a weapon or trying to stash something you shouldn't have. The less stressful you make the stop for the officer, the better your chances for avoiding a summons.
10513  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Immigration issues on: December 20, 2010, 01:18:12 PM
They couldn't do it without the help of the media, luckily for them, the media won't push any story that doesn't further the pro-illegal alien agenda.
10514  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Citizen-Police interactions on: December 20, 2010, 01:12:24 PM
Horizontal gaze nystagmus. It's an involuntary "bouncing" of the eyes as they move on a horizontal plane. Often caused by alcohol consumption. That's the "finger" test.
10515  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Privacy on: December 20, 2010, 01:02:17 PM
What would that statement look like?
10516  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Privacy on: December 19, 2010, 09:07:45 PM
Depending on gov't to protect your privacy is like expecting it to protect your person. Law enforcement in the US is mostly stuck reacting to crimes after the fact.
10517  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Homeland Security and American Freedom on: December 19, 2010, 05:29:29 PM
Part of the "Transformation of America" Obama promised was the end of the rule of law and the creation of a permanent democrat underclass. That what these various attempts at amnesty are intended to do.
10518  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: The Emasculation of Men In Contempory Society on: December 19, 2010, 05:09:39 PM

In the assault you describe, it's sounds reasonable to look at assault charges. Like a lot of cases, it depends on context and severity. Not every schoolyard fight should be adjudicated in court, a no weapons policy should differ between a concealed handgun and a toy soldier's 1/2 inch long rifle.
10519  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: The Emasculation of Men In Contempory Society on: December 19, 2010, 12:50:29 PM
Is prosecuting this kid in the interest of justice? No way. I'm glad Fresno is such a low crime environment that they can afford to take this to trial.....  rolleyes
10520  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Issues in the American Creed (Constitutional Law and related matters) on: December 19, 2010, 12:45:06 PM
ACLU 2008 Membership Conference


Sunday, June 8th 

2 PM  Registration Opens

3 PM  Youth reception

3:30 PM LGBT reception

            5 PM Opening Plenary: “Looking Ahead: Political Realities of a Post-Bush America” Glenn Greenwald, Arianna Huffington, Rachel Maddow

            6:30 PM Dinner 

            7:30 PM Comedy by Judy Gold

            8 PM “Rights, Camera, Action”    Alex Gibney, Ariel Dorfman, Johanna Blakley

            Monday, June 9th 

            8 AM “Reflections on a Post 9/11 World” Keynote address by Anthony Romero, ACLU Executive Director

            9:15 AM “Principled and Proud: Standing Up for Core Values”

            10:30 AM Workshops

            12:30 PM “The War on Terror: Protecting Rights and Liberties Beyond Our Border”

            Justice Arthur Chaskalson, John Hutson, reading by Ariel Dorfman

            2:30-4:30 Workshops

            6:30-9 PM ACLU Gala

            Tuesday, June 10th 

            8 AM Breakfast Plenary: “The Hero Next Door: Challenging Abuse of Power in the Neighborhood”   

            10:15 AM Workshops

            12:30 PM Closing Plenary Lunch: “Our Lady Liberty: Celebrating Nadine Strossen” 

            Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Supreme Court Justice David Souter, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, Kathleen Sullivan, Rev. Barry Lynn, Aryeh Neier, Norman Dorsen – with a special performance by musician John Hiatt

            2-5 PM Hill Visits

Don’t miss exciting workshops on a wide variety of civil liberties issues including: racial justice and affirmative action, women’s rights, technology and liberty, LGBT issues, reproductive freedom, youth engagement, immigrants’ rights and government intrusion into private matters. Plus trainings for Hill Visits will be held throughout the conference.
10521  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Crash Program on: December 19, 2010, 12:08:29 AM

Saturday, December 11, 2010
Crash Program

Since 9-11, various government officials have warned about the possibility of a terrorist attack using a radiological weapons (say, a "dirty bomb"), or an actual nuclear device. It remains one of the most frightening scenarios for those charged with keeping us safe.

But such warnings often carried caveats, to mitigate public fears. For example, despite Al-Qaida's demonstrated interest in nuclear and radiological weapons, we were told it would "be difficult" for terrorists to fabricate or obtain such devices, and smuggle them into America for detonation. The government has also spent freely in an effort to deter potential terrorist attacks using nuclear or radiological weapons, investing hundreds of millions of dollars into detection technology alone.

Some of that investment was on display in the Atlanta area last month, as federal, state and local agents scanned hundreds of trucks along Interstate 20, looking for radiological material. The event, which lasted for several days, was described as an "exercise." A few analysts expressed doubt about that explanation, given the scope of the drill, and the fact that continued during the Atlanta rush hour, snarling traffic for miles on either side of the checkpoints.

And federal preparations for the unthinkable aren't limited to scanners and search exercises. There's been a flurry of activity in recent months surrounding a new drug called CBLB502 and a company called Cleveland BioLabs. Less than two weeks ago, the Food and Drug Administration took the unusual step of labeling CBLB502 as an "orphan drug," reserved for medications used to treat rare diseases and conditions. The orphan drug designation came only four months after the FDA granted "fast track" status for CBLB502, accelerating its development and potential introduction.

Why those designations for Cleveland BioLab's new product? Because CBLB502 is the only drug available to reduce the risk of death due to total body irradiation. The most likely cause of that condition: a radiological or nuclear disaster.

While orphan drug status is often reserved for medications with limited market potential, Cleveland BioLabs has already found a buyer for CBLB502: the U.S. military. Back in September, the Pentagon gave the firm a $14.8 million contract for an injectable form of the drug, to protect troops during a nuclear catastrophe. That contract allowed Cleveland BioLabs to complete more tests and the application process with the FDA.

Since Congress passed the Orphan Drug Act 27 years ago, less that 250 new medications and treatments have reached the market, so that means CBLB502 is in very select company. It is the first designed to combat the effects of a massive radiation dose.

The rush to get the drug on the market raises a rather obvious question. The threat of a nuclear or radiological attack by terrorists has existed for more than a decade. If their capabilities in those areas have remained rather crude, why expedite production and introduction of CBLB502? Why not spend the money on more pressing homeland security needs?

The answer can probably be told by intelligence dispatches that haven't been featured in WikiLeaks. Based on the recent spate of CBRN exercises (and the accelerated introduction of CBLB502), it appears the feds are more concerned than ever about the possibility of a terrorist attack, using a nuclear bomb or a radiological device. And, since the drug is used for treatment after radiation exposure, the government isn't taking any chances. Doses of CBLB502 will be administered to military personnel responding to a nuclear or radiological attack, allowing them to do their job in the days following the catastrophe.

Production of the drug also affirms our worst fears about that scenario. Despite all the equipment, all the personnel and all that money, the terrorists still have a reasonable chance of success, once they get a dirty bomb (or a full-up nuke) in our territory. That's why the crash program for CBLB502 is clearly aimed at the aftermath. From the homeland security perspective, it makes sense to prepare now, for an attack that may be on the way, and could very well succeed when the elements come together.

One final note: some reports peg the government's initial order of the drug at 37,000 doses. That quantity is sufficient for military responders, but not for civilians living in the disaster zone. Without larger purchases, civilians exposed to high doses of radiation during terrorist attacks will be on their own. Welcome to government-run healthcare.
ADDENDUM: Here's another element of this crash program that we find rather revealing. While Al-Qaida's interest in WMD has never waned, there is no evidence of a recent breakthrough in terms of their capabilities to produce such weapons. The government's rush to get CBLB502 into production suggests a growing concern over bin Laden simply purchasing the needed weaponry from Iran or friendly elements within the Pakistan military. And judging by the timeline for the anti-radiation drug program, U.S. officials see a rapidly escalating CBRN threat against the homeland over the next five years.

10522  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Homeland Security and American Freedom on: December 18, 2010, 05:21:15 PM
Uh yeah, snopes is fine for "Will Bill Gates pay me 5 bucks for forwarding a chain email?" questions, not answers to serious policy issues.

Disregard CIS if you wish. Let's ask a simple question: How's that illegal immigration working out for California? You guys getting rich from all the illegals?
10523  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Homeland Security and American Freedom on: December 18, 2010, 02:12:00 PM
**And what is the pedigree?

About the Center for Immigration Studies
Who We Are

The Center for Immigration Studies is an independent, non-partisan, non-profit, research organization. Since our founding in 1985, we have pursued a single mission – providing immigration policymakers, the academic community, news media, and concerned citizens with reliable information about the social, economic, environmental, security, and fiscal consequences of legal and illegal immigration into the United States.

The Center is governed by a diverse board of directors that has included active and retired university professors, civil rights leaders, and former government officials. Our research and analysis has been funded by contributions and grants from dozens of private foundations, from the U.S. Census Bureau and Justice Department, and from hundreds of generous individual donors.

Our board, our staff, our researchers, and our contributor base are not predominantly "liberal" or predominantly "conservative." Instead, we believe in common that debates about immigration policy that are well-informed and grounded in objective data will lead to better immigration policies.

The data collected by the Center during the past quarter-century has led many of our researchers to conclude that current, high levels of immigration are making it harder to achieve such important national objectives as better public schools, a cleaner environment, homeland security, and a living wage for every native-born and immigrant worker. These data may support criticism of US immigration policies, but they do not justify ill feelings toward our immigrant community. In fact, many of us at the Center are animated by a "low-immigration, pro-immigrant" vision of an America that admits fewer immigrants but affords a warmer welcome for those who are admitted.
Center Staff

Mark Krikorian, Executive Director
Steven A. Camarota, Director of Research
Cynthia Owens, Director of Administration
John Wahala, Assistant Director
Jessica Vaughan, Director of Policy Studies
Janice Kephart, Director of National Security Policy
Stephen Steinlight, Senior Policy Analyst
Jerry Kammer, Senior Research Fellow
Jon Feere, Legal Policy Analyst
Thomas P. Redding, Research Associate
Bryan Griffith, Multimedia Director
Ashley Monique Webster, Demographer
Zack Nunez, News Editor
Tomika Herrien, Project Assistant
Center Fellows

Don Barnett
Glynn Custred
Michael Cutler
Marti Dinerstein
James R. Edwards, Jr.
John Miano
Ronald W. Mortensen
David North
Stanley Renshon
David Seminara
Jan Ting
Board of Directors

Peter Nunez, Chairman of the Board of Directors
Vernon M. Briggs, Jr.
Thomas C.T. Brokaw
William W. Chip
T. Willard Fair
Otis Graham, Jr.
George Grayson
Carol Iannone
Frank Morris, Sr.
Harry E. Soyster
Anita Winsor-Edwards
The Katz Award for Excellence in the Coverage of Immigration

The Center hopes to raise the bar in immigration coverage by the media making an annual award to the journalist who best challenges the norm of immigration reporting. Read about our winners.
Internship Program

The Center for Immigration Studies is the nation’s only think tank devoted exclusively to the research of U.S. immigration policy and is a leading voice in the drive to inform policymakers and the public about immigration’s far-reaching impact. The Center is animated by a unique pro-immigrant, low-immigration vision which seeks fewer immigrants but a warmer welcome for those admitted.

Undergraduate interns are accepted for all semesters. Work hours, typically 20-35 hours per week, are flexible and unpaid. Interns assist the Center’s staff with a variety of research, media relations, and administrative tasks. Also, interns will likely attend and summarize into blog postings the Center’s events, Congressional hearings, and other immigration related events.

Applications are accepted year-round, though earlier applicants will have a particular advantage. To apply, please send you cover letter and resume as an e-mail attachments to
Media References

Lexis Nexis was used to search media references that discussed both immigration and the organizations below.
Organization    2003    2004    2005    2006    2007    2008    Total
Pew Hispanic Center    570    621    1,489    3,136    1,854    1,577    9,247
Center for Immigration Studies    1,190    966    1,281    2,237    1,756    1,119    8,549
National Council of La Raza    509    872    735    1,256    1,314    1,200    5,886
FAIR    654    835    710    1,197    1,209    831    5,436
AILA    579    535    509    750    806    586    3,765
National Immigration Forum    233    283    415    671    643    187    2,432
Urban Institute    346    486    335    370    512    263    2,312
Migration Policy Institue    207    267    297    529    578    441    2,319
Kudos for the Center

“The Center for Immigration Studies brings a credible and articulate voice to a very
contentious debate.”
U.S. Representative Lamar Smith (R-TX)

“The Center for Immigration Studies is one of the best organizations working on one of America’s most important problems.”
Richard D. Lamm, former Democratic Governor of Colorado

“Most of us don’t have time to go out and crunch the numbers and census data and go through all of this. I just want to thank CIS for providing invaluable research. You can be sure the other side has plenty of money and plenty of numbers, a lot of it not very accurate.”
U.S. Senator Jeff Sessions (R-AL)

"I want to congratulate the Center for Immigration Studies and especially Jessica Vaughn for their – for her very important work on this issue that is, I think, the key to understanding the solution to the problem we face today with illegal immigration."
Former U.S. Representative John Hostettler (R-IN)

"CIS has of course been the premier think tank on immigration issues…"
U.S. Representative Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA)

“I don't necessarily agree with the positions…but I greatly value the clear and non-vituperative way you express a set of arguments that my students really need to wrestle with. Some are even persuaded.”
David Martin, University of Virginia Law Professor, Principal Deputy General Counsel of the DHS, former State Department Official and former General Counsel to the INS

“The Center is a leading voice in the drive to inform policymakers and the public about immigration’s far-reaching impact.”
Former U.S. Senator Alan Simpson (R-WY), Immigration Subcommittee Chairman

“I’ve found your insights keen, your reports provocative, and your news service quite useful . . . you guys are the ones who have raised the tone in the immigration debate.”
Scott Baldauf, Christian Science Monitor

“The Center is doing important work to focus attention on the important role of the current rapid U.S. population growth in dealing with the many environmental problems we face in this country.”
Doug La Follette, Wisconsin’s Democratic Secretary of State; Sierra Club National Board Member

“The reliable and credible reports issued by your organization are a tremendous asset to our country.”
Phyllis Schlafly, Eagle Forum

“Your analyses and other immigration reporting are excellent and I want to congratulate you and CIS for keeping this vital policy issue on the front burner.”
Joaquin Otero, former Deputy Under Secretary of Labor, and AFL-CIO Vice President

“I’ll applaud CIS again, they’ve done - to my knowledge - the first comprehensive study of what it means if Americans simply stand up and say, “we believe in the rule of law and we want elected officials that will enforce the law.”
Former U.S. Representative Tom Feeney (R-FL)

“The Center’s work is truly first rate.”
Frank Gaffney

Mark Krikorian is a “great national resource.”
William Bennett, Washington Fellow of the Claremont Institute

“I rely on the work of the Center of Immigration studies all the time. The Center brings a responsible, fact-based approach to a hot-button issue, and is an invaluable asset to the cause of sensible immigration reform. Its research routinely debunks entrenched misconceptions about our immigration policy. I can't say enough about the Center - its work is intelligent, courageous, and altogether indispensable.”
Rich Lowry

“CIS is the most reliable source of solid research on immigration issues.”
Former U.S. Representative Tom Tancredo (R-CO)

“…[J]ust thankful you guys are out there doing this great work.”
Robert J. Bodisch, Deputy Director, Office of Homeland Security

"The Center has established itself in the immigration debate as a body which, while being restrictionist in its general outlook, nonetheless produces economic research on immigration that is valuable to all sides in the debate."
John O'Sullivan, Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute

“I just received Jessica [Vaughan]'s newest critique of the US-VISIT Program, and like it a lot. . . . I don't see anybody else doing what she's done in the reporting of the problems with exit recording and estimating overstays.”
Senior Analyst, U.S. Government Accountability Office

“The materials sent to me are invaluable for my work.”
Shmuel Adler, Director, Israeli Ministry of Immigrant Absorption

“[The Center’s website]…is best used by more sophisticated researchers than undergraduates.”
F. J. Augustyn Jr., Library of Congress, Choice Review, April 2003

“Intelligence Squared U.S., the Oxford style, three-on-three debate series sponsored by The Rosenkranz Foundation, announced the results of Tuesday night's debate [that included Mark Krikorian] on the motion, "Let's stop welcoming undocumented immigrants." A packed audience at Asia Society and Museum, New York City voted 60% for the motion and 37% against at the conclusion of the debate.”
Intelligence Squared U.S.
10524  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / The costs of illegal aliens on: December 18, 2010, 12:36:32 PM

Much better than snopes. Aside from the corrosion of the rule of law and people harmed by illegal aliens, there are real financial costs.
10525  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Homeland Security and American Freedom on: December 18, 2010, 12:28:36 PM

Illegal, but Not Undocumented: Identity Theft, Document Fraud, and Illegal Employment
By Ronald W. Mortensen
June 2009
Backgrounders and Reports

Download this Backgrounder as a pdf

Ronald W. Mortensen, PhD, is a retired career U.S. Foreign Service Officer and former Society for Human Resource Management senior executive.

This Backgrounder examines illegal immigration-related document fraud and identity theft that is committed primarily for the purpose of employment. It debunks three common misconceptions: illegal aliens are “undocumented;” the transgressions committed by illegal aliens to obtain jobs are minor; and illegal-alien document fraud and identity theft are victimless crimes. It discusses how some community leaders rationalize these crimes, contributing to a deterioration of the respect for laws in our nation, and presents a variety of remedies, including more widespread electronic verification of work status (E-Verify and the Social Security Number Verification Service) and immigrant outreach programs to explain the ramifications and risks of document fraud and identity theft.

The findings include:

    * Illegal immigrants are not “undocumented.” They have fraudulent documents such as counterfeit Social Security cards, forged drivers licenses, fake “green cards,” and phony birth certificates. Experts suggest that approximately 75 percent of working-age illegal aliens use fraudulent Social Security cards to obtain employment.

    * Most (98 percent) Social Security number (SSN) thieves use their own names with stolen numbers. The federal E-Verify program, now mandated in only 14 states, can detect this fraud. Universal, mandatory use of E-Verify would curb this and stop virtually 100 percent of child identity theft.

    * Illegal immigration and high levels of identity theft go hand-in-hand. States with the most illegal immigration also have high levels of job-related identity theft. In Arizona, 33 percent or all identity theft is job-related (as opposed to identity theft motivated simply by profit). In Texas it is 27 percent; in New Mexico, 23 percent; in Colorado, 22 percent; California, 20 percent; and in Nevada, 16 percent. Eight of the 10 states with the highest percentage of illegal aliens in their total population are among the top 10 states in identity theft (Arizona, California, Florida, Texas, Nevada, New York, Georgia, and Colorado).

    * Children are prime targets. In Arizona, it is estimated that over one million children are victims of identity theft. In Utah, 1,626 companies were found to be paying wages to the SSNs of children on public assistance under the age of 13. These individuals suffer very real and very serious consequences in their lives.

    * Illegal aliens commit felonies in order to get jobs. Illegal aliens who use fraudulent documents, perjure themselves on I-9 forms, and commit identity theft in order to get jobs are committing serious offenses and are not “law abiding.”

    * Illegally employed aliens send billions of dollars annually to their home countries, rather than spending it in the United States and helping stimulate the American economy. In October 2008 alone, $2.4 billion was transferred to Mexico.

    * Tolerance of corruption erodes the rule of law. Corruption is a serious problem in most illegal aliens’ home countries. Allowing it to flourish here paves the way for additional criminal activity and increased corruption throughout society.

    * Leaders support perpetrators and ignore victims. Political, civic, religious, business, education, and media leaders blame Americans for “forcing” illegal aliens to commit document fraud and identity theft. No similar concern is expressed for the American men, women, and children whose lives are destroyed in the process.

    * The Social Security Administration and Internal Revenue Service facilitate illegal immigrant-driven identity theft. Both turn a blind eye to massive SSN fraud and take no action to stop it. The Social Security Administration assigns SSNs to new-born infants that are being used illegally. The IRS demands that victims pay taxes on wages earned by illegal aliens using their stolen SSNs, while taking no action to stop the identity theft.

    * State and local governments need to adopt tougher laws to supplement federal efforts. The Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is targeting large document fraud rings and the most egregious employers, but their resources are limited and stretched across multiple priorities. In 2007, identity theft cases represented only 7 percent of the total ICE case load.

    * Employers must do their part. They can ensure that they have a legal workforce by using a combination of the federal government’s E-Verify and Social Security Number Verification Service systems and by signing up for the federal government’s IMAGE program or privately conducted audits.
10526  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Homeland Security and American Freedom on: December 18, 2010, 12:24:29 PM

Social Security Fraud and Identity Theft
Stolen Social Security Numbers

By Jake Stroup, Guide


Illegal aliens use stolen social security numbers to work in the US. They get the money, you get a headache.

Most people seem to think identity theft is a government issue, that our elected officials need to make some laws to stop identity theft.

The good news is, they already have. A series of data security regulations have been put in place to help protect our private information. Laws like FACTA and HIPAA have created fines for companies that let our identities slip into criminal hands. A big area of concern is stolen social security numbers, used for social security identity theft (usually just called Social Security Fraud.)

The odds of going to jail for identity theft are 1-in-1,000. Laws have been put in place to punish identity thieves. But the arrest rate is low – just one-in-twenty reported cases. The conviction rate is even lower, one-in-fifty.

In fact, looking over the past decade, the government seems to be encouraging identity theft among illegal immigrants. A major factor in identity theft (and the US economy in general) is illegal immigration. Nobody wants to talk about it, because of the political aspects.

Everyone knows you must give your employer a social security number to work in the United States. There are also laws requiring companies to verify that information, but an employee can work while the company waits for the response, even if they are using a stolen social security number.

Various law enforcement agencies have used the Identity Theft and Assumption Deterrence Act to fight illegal aliens using stolen social security numbers. That was a good start, and helped slow down identity theft between 2005 and 2008. But that changed in the spring of 2009.

The US Supreme Court ruled that an illegal immigrant has not committed a crime unless s/he knew the stolen social security number they used belonged to a US citizen. In other words, saying “I didn’t know.” can be a defense if you work in the US illegally. After this ruling, hundreds of previous convictions were appealed, and social security fraud is suddenly back on the rise.

None of the agencies involved are trying to tackle the problem because they all benefit from it, as does corporate America. Here’s an example:

    * The Social Security Administration (SSA) collects money from all workers, including identity thieves.
    * If a name and number reported doesn’t match the name the SSA has on file, the money goes into an “Earnings Suspense File.” That fund held nearly $500 billion in 2006.
    * The SSA will only pay benefits to one individual.

From that perspective, there is no reason to tell anyone they have a stolen social security number. In fact, it’s against the Internal Revenue code for the SSA to notify you that someone else is using your number.

The companies that pull your credit report know, too. But once again, they aren’t allowed to tell you. All three credit bureaus sell a specialized report, which shows all activity under a social security number. If there are two names associated with a certain SSN, two different files are made to track the credit, but both of them are associated with that SSN. Companies that want to give you credit can buy these reports, but they cannot tell you what they find.

So you may think you have perfect credit, and still get turned down for a loan. The company that denies your credit application will tell you to get a copy of your credit report. But that copy won’t show you everything they see in the credit file. Everyone knows you’re a victim of identity theft, but nobody can tell you. It’s as if the laws are set-up to make sure the last person to find out is the victim.

This is not a failure to communicate, it’s a shocking lack of concern toward protecting Americans. While the Department of Homeland Security insists on accuracy in financial records the IRS and SSA are taking cash from whoever sends it in. While congress is making laws to protect us, the Supreme Court tells us those laws don’t apply to the people breaking them. While we’re trying to buy a home or car, the loan company can’t tell us why they are denying the loan.

What can you do? For starters, vote. When your elected official needs to pay attention to something, write him/her a letter. Until the government addresses the illegal immigration issue, consider putting a credit freeze in place.

And above all protect your social security number until the government finds a better way to track citizens.
10527  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Homeland Security and American Freedom on: December 18, 2010, 12:01:05 PM

Street Gangs Are Training In The Military

Using military to spread their reach

It is sad, but true, that street gang members have infiltrated our U.S. armed forces.  They appear to be volunteering, not to serve our country, but to learn how to use military tactics and to learn how to kill.  There is evidence of these gang bangers appearing with more and more frequency in many parts of the world - where ever our military forces are serving.

The following news article appeared in the "Stars and Stripes" the military newspaper for all branches of services.  It contains alarming news about this growing problem.
10528  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Homeland Security and American Freedom on: December 18, 2010, 11:11:20 AM
Well, some years back, we trained elite Mexican paratroopers in special operation/counterterrorist techniques to fight the drug cartels. Upon their return to Mexico, many deserted and went to work for the cartels, forming Los Zetas.

It's known that some gangs pay large bonuses to members for enlisting in the military for the training and access to weaponry. So, let's make that problem worse?
10529  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Homeland Security and American Freedom on: December 18, 2010, 10:38:15 AM
Illegal aliens cannot legally serve in the US military. Normally, for enlistment one must be a permanent resident alien (green card holder), although recently there was a program opened for lawful non-resident aliens (such as those here on a student visa or other lawful purpose) to enlist as interpreters if they spoke a needed language. I'm aware of only one illegal alien who used bogus documents to enlist (a felony) that in his case was not prosecuted when discovered and allowed to stay in.
10530  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Homeland Security and American Freedom on: December 18, 2010, 12:39:06 AM
It's a constitutional question I have no answer for. But I like the idea!  The federal gov't is tasked with securing the borders, and instead attacks states like Arizona for trying to protect the citizens the USG won't.
10531  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Intel Matters on: December 18, 2010, 12:34:46 AM
You mean the intelligence agency that created the taliban and is filled with AQ sympathizers that ran a double agent/suicide bomber that killed CIA personnel might burn a station chief? Heavens!  shocked
10532  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Why not break EVERY law? on: December 17, 2010, 06:36:34 PM

"Undocumented Americans" Harry Reid calls them.
10533  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Rest in Peace on: December 17, 2010, 04:38:52 PM
There is a major difference from failing to solve the problem and rewarding those that break the law. See the "DREAM" act they are trying to ram through. Do you doubt that Obama will sign it if given the chance?


See also: Illegal Immigration: Trends, Historical Perspectives, & Related Issues (U.S.)

Illegal immigration imposes enormous costs -- monetary as well as crime-related -- on American society. As regards criminal activity, Manhattan Institute scholar Heather MacDonald describes one small slice of a much larger problem:

    * In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide target illegal aliens, as do approximately two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants.
    * More  than 60 percent of the Hispanic gangs in Southern California—whose membership  is in the tens of thousands—is illegal. These gangs involved withdrug-distribution schemes, extortion, drive-by assassinations, assaults, and robberies.

In a 2006 study, Deborah Schurman-Kauflin of the Violent Crimes Institute in Atlanta estimated, conservatively, that from January 1999 through April 2006 approximately 240,000 illegal aliens had committed about 960,000 sex offenses in the United States.

The fiscal costs of illegal immigration are also very high. According to the Center for Immigration Studies, in 2002 illegal-alien households imposed, in aggregate, costs exceeding $26 billion on the federal government while they paid $16 billion in federal taxes -- thereby creating a net fiscal deficit of $10.4 billion per year at the federal level, or $2,700 per household. Among the largest components of this deficit were Medicaid ($2.5 billion); medical treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food-assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion). A major reason why illegal aliens are, on balance, such a drain on the American Treasury is because approximately 60 percent of them lack a high-school degree.

The National Academy of Sciences has estimated that the average immigrant without a high-school degree will, over the course of his or her lifetime, impose a net cost -- above and beyond any taxes he or she pays -- of nearly $100,000 on U.S. taxpayers; this cost does not include the cost of educating the immigrant’s children. Based on that figure, the estimated 6 million legal immigrants lacking a high-school diploma and residing in the U.S. today, will cost taxpayers more than a half trillion dollars over their lifetimes.

Prevalence and Links to
Alien Illegal Activities

I am pleased to be here today to discuss the significance of “identity
fraud”—a term that encompasses a broad range of illegal activities based
on fraudulent use of identifying information of a real person or of a
fictitious person. A pervasive type of identity fraud is identity theft, which
involves “stealing” another person’s personal identifying information—
such as Social Security number (SSN), date of birth, and mother’s maiden
name—and then using the information to fraudulently establish credit, run
up debt, take over existing financial accounts, or to undertake other
activities in another’s name. Also, another pervasive category is the use of
fraudulent identity documents by aliens to enter the United States illegally
to obtain employment and other benefits. The events of September 11,
2001, have heightened concerns about the contributory role that identity
fraud plays in facilitating terrorism and other serious crimes.
In this statement, I make the following points:
• The prevalence of identity theft appears to be growing. Moreover,
identity theft is not typically a stand-alone crime; rather, identity theft
is usually a component of one or more white-collar or financial crimes,
such as bank fraud, credit card or access device fraud, or the use of
counterfeit financial instruments. Since 1998, the Congress and most
states have enacted laws that criminalize identity theft. The passage of
federal and state identity theft legislation indicates that this type of
crime has been widely recognized as a serious problem across the
• According to Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) officials,
the use of fraudulent documents by aliens is extensive. At ports of
entry, INS inspectors have intercepted tens of thousands of fraudulent
documents in each of the last few years. These documents were
presented by aliens attempting to enter the United States to seek
employment or obtain other immigration benefits, such as
naturalization or permanent residency status. The types of false
documents most frequently intercepted by INS inspectors include
border crossing cards, alien registration cards, nonimmigrant visas, and
passports and citizenship documents (both U.S. and foreign). Also, INS
has reported that large-scale counterfeiting has made fraudulent
employment eligibility documents (e.g., Social Security cards) widely
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• Federal investigations have shown that some aliens use fraudulent
documents in connection with more serious illegal activities, such as
narcotics trafficking and terrorism. This is a cause for greater concern.
• Efforts to combat identity fraud in its many forms likely will command
continued attention from policymakers and law enforcement. Such
efforts will include investigating and prosecuting perpetrators, as well
as focusing on prevention measures to make key identification
documents and information less susceptible to being counterfeited or
otherwise used fraudulently.

Hidden cost of illegal immigration: ID theft
Posted: Friday, March 31 2006 at 07:00 am CT by Bob Sullivan

In the noisy immigration debate raging in Washington, there is one voice NOT being heard.

The voice of identity theft victims.

Behind many of the nation’s millions of undocumented workers are someone else's documents. To get a job, illegal immigrants need a Social Security number, and they often borrow one.  As victim Melody Millet is fond of saying, U.S. citizens are being forced to share their identities with undocumented immigrants to give corporate America a steady supply of cheap labor.
10534  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Rest in Peace on: December 17, 2010, 03:24:05 PM

8 U.S.C. § 1325 : US Code - Section 1325: Improper entry by alien

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection;
misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States
at any time or place other than as designated by immigration
officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration
officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United
States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the
willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or
imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or
imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

**Just being an illegal alien IS a crime, despite what some claim. Of course, most go on to commit additional crimes while here.
10535  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Citizens defend themselves/others. on: December 17, 2010, 03:03:46 PM
Got to love a state where CCW is available and self defense is readily recognized. I hope this guy recovers quickly.
10536  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Rest in Peace on: December 17, 2010, 02:12:00 PM
So, since we have US born criminals, we shouldn't complain about those invading our country and committing crimes?
10537  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / A California Bankruptcy, Dictatorship, and the Guarantee Clause on: December 17, 2010, 01:50:24 PM

A California Bankruptcy, Dictatorship, and the Guarantee Clause

Incoming California Governor Jerry Brown has gotten a look at the state budget and concluded that "We've been living in fantasy land. It is much worse than I thought. I'm shocked."

It got me thinking about what would happen if California went bankrupt.

In the absence of a statute, presumably the federal government would conduct some sort of bailout combined with a restructuring. If so, however, who would run the state during the proceeding?

In a commercial bankruptcy, there are two possible approaches. First, there is the bankruptcy trustee. S/he is appointed to liquidate the business and may be empowered to operate the business for a limited period of time. Second, there is the debtor in possession. In the latter case, the debtor remains in charge of the business while the Chapter 11 bankruptcy proceeding goes forward. For reasons that should be obvious, but which I'll come to in a minute, this would be my least preferred analogy for how to run a state bankruptcy.

In a municipal bankruptcy under Chapter 9 of the Bankruptcy Code, neither the federal government nor the bankruptcy court can order the appointment of a trustee to take over running the municipality. A state, however, can insist upon the appointment of a receiver or trustee as a condition of authorizing the municipality to file for bankruptcy. Indeed, when Orange County went belly up, California consented to the filing of a Chapter 9 proceeding only on condition that a trustee be appointed with all the powers of the Board of Supervisors if the county failed to meet certain conditions.
10538  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Commercial dataminers on: December 17, 2010, 01:22:52 PM

These data miners know everything about you
Gathering your personal information to sell to marketers, insurers, employers and anyone else who wants it is big business. Here are some of the key players.
10539  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Holiday Terror Warning Cites Car Bombs and Small Arms Attack on: December 17, 2010, 11:54:13 AM

Holiday Terror Warning Cites Car Bombs and Small Arms Attack
Authorities Worry About Christmas Attack For 'Psychological Impact'

Dec. 17, 2010

Federal law enforcement terror bulletins have become as much a part of the holiday season in the past decade as egg nog and department store Santas.

But this year, which ends amid a heightened concern over terror, is a little different. A Department of Homeland Security bulletin sent to law enforcement nationwide Thursday says that federal authorities worry terrorists will try to rattle Americans by attacking during the holidays, and lists concerns including car bombs, trucks ramming crowds and a Mumbai-style small arms attack.

"We are concerned these terrorists may seek to exploit the likely significant psychological impact of an attack targeting mass gatherings in large metropolitan areas during the 2010 holiday season, which has symbolic importance to many in the United States," The "Security Awareness for the Holiday Season" bulletin states.

**Must be christians, because the bible is more violent than the koran or something.....
10540  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Just dealing the meth Americans won't deal.... on: December 17, 2010, 11:43:56 AM

Cops bust "La Familia" members
By Clarence Williams

D.C. police and federal officials have arrested eight men with ties to Mexico's La Familia drug cartel who sought to set up operations in the Washington metro area, law enforcement officials said.

Authorities also have seized millions of dollars worth of methamphetamine as part of the investigation.

Undercover police and ICE agents arrested the men on federal conspiracy charges last week and the authorities are expected to make a formal announcement on Wednesday. Investigators served search warrants in three states and arrested the men Dec. 10, during raids which netted pounds of crystal meth and dozens of gallons of liquid meth, the sources said.

Authorities seized an estimated $5 million worth of crystal meth during raids near Atlanta. Officials also recovered six pounds of marijuana, three guns, and more than $15,000 in cash, from raids in the Winston-Salem area of North Carolina and in Temple Hills.

The investigation followed a purchase by a police informant and an undercover officer of a kilo of cocaine and five pounds of crystal meth in mid-November, from a local trafficker in the D.C. area, the law enforcement officials said.
10541  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Poor China..... on: December 17, 2010, 10:25:15 AM

Beijing says Japan making irresponsible remarks

– Fri Dec 17, 4:22 am ET

BEIJING – Beijing is accusing Japan of making irresponsible remarks in its new defense guidelines targeting China.

Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu says China is a force for peace and development in Asia and threatens no one.

**Let's see, China and Russia threaten Japan, now China protests when Japan recognizes the looming threats.**
10542  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: california on: December 16, 2010, 08:46:27 PM
So, rather than bailing California out, can we constitutionally eject it from the US?
10543  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Islam in Asia & Africa on: December 16, 2010, 08:32:22 PM
Reminds me of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who lives under the shadow of muslim assassins.
10544  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Great news: California to adopt cap-and-trade on: December 16, 2010, 06:38:51 PM

Great news: California to adopt cap-and-trade

posted at 3:36 pm on December 16, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

California’s unemployment rate has soared to 12.4%, third highest in the nation.  For the sixth straight year, it has a net loss of population to other states as employers look to escape the onerous regulatory regimes and high tax rates in the nation’s most populous state.  What better time to make energy more expensive and give government even more command control of the economy? 

**Invest in U-Haul!**
10545  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Hope and chains for the jihadis! on: December 16, 2010, 03:05:02 PM

Current and former U.S. intelligence officials said that the rendition program might be poised to play an expanded role going forward because it was the main remaining mechanism -- aside from Predator missile strikes -- for taking suspected terrorists off the street.

The rendition program became a source of embarrassment for the CIA, and a target of international scorn, as details emerged in recent years of botched captures, mistaken identities and allegations that prisoners were turned over to countries where they were tortured.

The European Parliament condemned renditions as "an illegal instrument used by the United States." Prisoners swept up in the program have sued the CIA as well as a Boeing Co. subsidiary accused of working with the agency on dozens of rendition flights.

But the Obama administration appears to have determined that the rendition program was one component of the Bush administration's war on terrorism that it could not afford to discard.

**Let's see, keeping Gitmo open, blowing up jihadis in Pakistan with hellfire missiles, keeping the rendition program running, and tax cuts for the rich? I'm starting to like the cut of this president's jib!
10546  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Legal Issues created by the War with Islamic Fascism on: December 16, 2010, 02:39:49 PM
And who started the rendition program?
10547  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: We the Well-armed People on: December 16, 2010, 02:37:11 PM

OIG report.
10548  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Media Issues on: December 16, 2010, 01:42:41 PM
I wish they'd just be honest and say "We believe in man made global warming, or at least want the policies of leftist economic control as desired by MMGW advocates imposed on the US, so we won't print anything to show that the science is just made up horseshiite. As far as Wikileaks, anything that reduces America's strength, we support, being good leftists."
10549  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Islam in Asia & Africa on: December 16, 2010, 01:36:57 PM
Prediction: Sooner or later someone will decide it's allah's will that she die for her unislamic conduct and will act on that.
10550  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Sixth Circuit Rules that E-Mail Protected by the Fourth Amendment Warrant Requir on: December 16, 2010, 01:32:27 PM

Sixth Circuit Rules that E-Mail Protected by the Fourth Amendment Warrant Requirement
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