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51  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Surviving Mob Attacks on Your Vehicle on: September 24, 2016, 12:24:19 PM

Surviving Mob Attacks on Your Vehicle

Written by Greg Ellifritz

Topics: Tactical Training Scenarios


Written by- Greg Ellifritz


Seeing some of the recent incidents going on in North Carolina and in other places, I decided to repost this one.  It’s a good primer on dealing with violent protesters if they surround your car.  Stay dangerous.




Watching some violent “protests”  got me thinking about individual tactics for escaping riots and demonstrations.


One scenario I saw playing out over and over again was when a mass of protesters blocked a road or highway. Those “protesters” would occasionally attack people in the cars that were stopped on the roadway. Others used the opportunity to carjack the victims and steal their cars. In one such carjacking attempt, an elderly man was dragged from his car by carjackers and beaten with his own oxygen tank.


Clearly, we need to take a look at the options available when our cars are surrounded by criminal attackers.


As I started writing the article, a new entry from Active Self Protection popped up in my RSS feed. John over at ASP apparently had the same idea and provided an excellent video critique and learning points in his video “Using Your Car To Escape a Mob“.  John covered most of the issues that I had planned to write about, so I’ll make a suggestion that you watch his video analysis before we continue. He brings up some very good points.


I’ll continue the discussion by bringing up a few issues he did not address:


1) Avoidance is key. Many protests and riots are either predictable or planned in advance. Stay away from the riots if you want to avoid being victimized! When you see masses of people blocking the roadways, STOP. Don’t go any farther. Do whatever necessary to change directions and get out of the area. If you are alert, you should be able to see these masses of people far enough in advance that you can act before being surrounded. It goes without saying that if you are texting, talking on the phone, or watching a DVD while driving, you may not be paying enough attention to save yourself. Don’t get distracted by electronic devices when driving.


2) You can’t just run people over if they are in the road. The safest thing to do in a situation like this is to keep moving, bumping people out of the way with your car. Unfortunately, that isn’t legal. It’s considered vehicular assault. Even if people are illegally blocking the road, you will likely go to jail if you run them down absent a legitimate threat to your life. See why awareness is so important? Getting away from the kill zone both keeps you safe and out of jail.


3) The situation changes, however, once the rioters attack you or your vehicle. With your vehicle surrounded in a manner that you can’t escape and your attackers being trying to burn your car, flip it over, or drag you out, it is reasonable to assume that you will suffer serious injury or death. That’s when you can start striking people with your car. Don’t get out and shoot. You will quickly be overwhelmed and your gun will be taken from you. Instead, accelerate steadily and forcefully, driving away from the surrounding rioters. Steady movement is the key. Hitting folks too hard can disable your vehicle. As John suggests, use your vehicle to push people out of the way rather than striking them.


4) Doors locked and seat belt OFF. It should go without saying that your doors should be locked when driving. If your doors don’t automatically lock, get in the habit of locking them manually as soon as you get inside. You don’t want the crowd to be able to easily open your door and drag you out.
You may not have enough time to do it, but cracking your windows and turning off your ventilation system would also be a good idea when driving in areas where crowds may gather.  Windows that are down approximately 1/2″ are actually harder to break than windows that are tightly closed. You want to turn off the ventilation system so you don’t get overcome by any smoke or tear gas that is in the air where you are driving.


Your seat belt should be off. Seat belts will reduce your ability to draw a firearm. They will also prohibit you from making a speedy escape should your vehicle be set on fire or overturned. In general, it’s safer to stay inside the car in a crowd. If Molotov cocktails hit your car, drive quickly away. The wind will likely extinguish the burning liquid before you are hurt. If the car is disabled, and under fire attack, get out. It’s best to take your chances on foot than be trapped inside and burned alive.


5) Tear gas grenades may or may not work.  Many people have asked me about the utility of carrying a couple of pepper spray grenades in the car with you for the purpose of keeping large gangs away from your vehicle.  I carry a couple in my car, but I would be hesitant to recommend the tactic.  In order to deploy the grenades, you’ll have to get out of the car or lower the windows.  Both of those actions dramatically increase your risk.  The crowd may be wearing gas masks or the like as well.  I think the grenades would work better if you were on foot than they would if you are attacked in a vehicle.


6) Carry your gun on your person, not in the car.  Some folks like using holsters that mount under the dash or on the steering column for just this type of criminal act.  I think it’s a bad idea.  If you have to bail out of the car quickly, you may not have a chance to grab the gun.  Do you want to abandon a firearm and leave it in the hands of the rioters?  I would hope not.  Carry your gun on your person.  Don’t leave it in your console, glove compartment or special “counter carjacker” holster on the steering wheel.


7) Beware of other forms of roadblocks.  The roadblocks designed to make you stop, may not take the form of people.  The rioters will steal cars and then purposely abandon them in the middle of roadways.  It causes you to stop and also prevents police/fire vehicles from getting to the scene.  It’s a common occurrence around the world.   Even more notorious are homemade caltrops.  A bunch of those strewn across the roadway would cause all kinds of havoc.


Take a look at the tactics used by rioters and protesters around the world.  Commit to avoiding areas where such protests are occurring.  If you do get caught up in the mob violence, consider some of the tips above to make it out safely.
52  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: PP: Fast tracking immigrants for votes; Texas drops from refugee program on: September 23, 2016, 11:32:29 PM

Hey, bigdog declared Jeh Johnson qualified for this position.

Fast-Tracking Immigrants for Votes

In light of the recent revelation that at least 858 individuals and maybe twice that many who had been slated for deportation were accidentally granted citizenship, one would expect that the Department of Homeland Security would be working overtime to shore up its vetting process and do its due diligence to reassure Americans that it will work carefully to prevent such a blunder from happening again. The DHS is indeed working overtime — not to get all its paper finger print records digitalized, but to processes as many immigrant citizenship applications as possible before the election.
An email from a U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services field office chief stated, "The Field Office due to the election year needs to process as many of the N-400 cases as possible between now and FY 2016." The email continued by "encouraging" employees to take advantage of overtime opportunities in order to meet the processing goal. The level of disconnect is simply stunning. In a letter sent to DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson, Senators Ron Johnson (R-WI) and Charles Grassley (R-IA) stated, "Your department seems intent on approving as many naturalization cases as quickly as possible at a time when it should instead be putting on the brakes and reviewing past adjudications."
The real problem is a mindset. Last week, one of Hillary Clinton's campaign staffers sent around a tweet quoting Donald Trump: "No one has the right to immigrate to this country." The staffer responded by writing, "We disagree," and said that Trump would have kicked his family out for immigrating from Libya. Whether this ends up being Clinton's official policy is almost irrelevant. This staffer revealed an attitude espoused by many on the Left: The U.S. has no right to reject or limit people from immigrating to America, whereas immigrants have an unfettered right to come here. This globalist, open-borders mindset is the main reason it has been so difficult to get Democrats on board with stopping illegal immigration. This fact is made even more obvious by their refusal to refer to illegal immigrants as "illegal," preferring the moniker "undocumented" immigrant. The truth is, Trump is exactly right that any sovereign nation is obligated to its citizens to regulate immigration, whether this be through limits or prevention. No non-citizen has the right to demand the privilege of citizenship, and to claim that such rights exist is to do violence to the rights of actual citizens.
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Texas Puts Refugee Program on Notice

The Obama administration plans to resettle 110,000 refugees into the U.S. over the coming year, but Texas is having none of it. The Lone Star State, which saw an influx of some 7,000 refugees over the last 12 months, has announced plans to sever its participation in the Obama administration's refugee program.
The Washington Free Beacon explains that the reason has to do with a lack of safeguards: "Texas officials drafted a plan that would require federal national security officials to provide assurances that none of the individuals being resettled pose a terror threat. The administration has declined to approve this plan."
Gov. Greg Abbott says, "Despite multiple requests by the state of Texas, the federal government lacks the capability or the will to distinguish the dangerous from the harmless, and Texas will not be an accomplice to such dereliction of duty to the American people. Therefore, Texas will withdraw from the refugee resettlement program. I strongly urge the federal government to completely overhaul a broken and flawed refugee program that increasingly risks American lives."
Abbott is right to be concerned. Around 30,000 migrants from terror hot spots managed to infiltrate the southern border last year. Barack Obama can insist, as he did this week, that "refugees are subject to more vigorous screening than the average tourist." But why should we believe anything he says? Earlier this year, Hillary Clinton asserted, "I think we've done a really good job securing the border."
How good? Well, a newly uncovered DHS memo says, "Refugee fraud is easy to commit, yet not easy to investigate." In fact, "bad actors ... have exploited this program." You don't say. Remember that next time Democrats say we have nothing to worry about.

53  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / DEADLIEST LIE: Without 'Lone Wolf' Lie, U.S. Could Have Stopped Nearly EVERY on: September 22, 2016, 11:02:04 PM

DEADLIEST LIE: Without 'Lone Wolf' Lie, U.S. Could Have Stopped Nearly EVERY ATTACK
By Andrew C. McCarthy September 21, 2016
chat 137 comments

Some time ago, the invaluable Patrick Poole coined the term “known wolf,” sharply shredding the conventional Washington wisdom that “lone wolf” terrorism is a major domestic threat.

Pat has tracked the phenomenon for years, right up to the jihadist attacks this weekend in both the New York metropolitan area and St. Cloud, Minnesota.

Virtually every time a terror attack has occurred, the actor initially portrayed as a solo plotter lurking under the government’s radar turns out to be -- after not much digging – an already known (sometimes even, notorious) Islamic extremist.

As amply demonstrated by Poole’s reporting, catalogued here by PJ Media, "lone wolves" --virtually every single one -- end up having actually had extensive connections to other Islamic extremists, radical mosques, and (on not rare occasions) jihadist training facilities.

The overarching point I have been trying to make is fortified by Pat’s factual reporting. It is this: There are, and can be, no lone wolves.

The very concept is inane, and only stems from a willfully blind aversion to the ideological foundation of jihadist terror: Islamic supremacism.

The global, scripturally rooted movement to impose sharia -- in the West, to incrementally supersede our culture of reason, liberty, and equality with the repressive, discriminatory norms of classical Islamic law -- is a pack. The wolves are members of the pack, and that’s why they are the antithesis of “lone” actors. And, indeed, they always turn out to be “known” precisely because their association with the pack, with components of the global movement, is what ought to have alerted us to the danger they portended before they struck.

This is willful blindness, because of the restrictions we have gratuitously imposed on ourselves.

The U.S. government refuses to acknowledge the ideology that drives the movement until after some violent action is either too imminent to be ignored or, sadly more often, until after the Islamic supremacist has acted out the savagery his ideology commands.

The U.S. government consciously avoids the ideology because it is rooted in a fundamentalist, literalist interpretation of Islam. Though it is but one of many ways to construe that religion, the remorseless fact is that it is a mainstream construction, adhered to by tens of millions of Muslims and supported by centuries of scholarship.

I say “the U.S. government” is at fault here because, contrary to Republican campaign rhetoric that is apparently seized by amnesia, this is not merely an Obama administration dereliction -- however much the president and his former secretary of State (and would-be successor) Hillary Clinton have exacerbated the problem.

Since the World Trade Center was bombed in 1993, the bipartisan Beltway cognoscenti have “reasoned” (a euphemism for “reckless self-delusion”) that conceding the Islamic doctrinal roots of jihadist terror -- which would implicitly concede the vast Islamist (sharia-supremacist) support system without which the global jihadist onslaught would be impossible -- is impractical.

But how could acknowledging the truth be impractical?

Especially given that national security hinges on an accurate assessment of threats?

Obama Press Sec.: 'This is Actually Just a War of Narratives' Against ISIS

Bipartisan Washington “reasons” that telling the truth would portray the United States as “at war with Islam.” To be blunt, this conventional wisdom can only be described as sheer idiocy.

We know that tens of millions of Muslims worldwide, and what appears to be a preponderance (though perhaps a diminishing one) of Muslims in the West, reject Islamic supremacism and its sharia-encroachment agenda. We know that, by a large percentage, Muslims are the most common victims of jihadist terror. We know that Muslim reformers are courageously working to undermine and reinterpret the scriptural roots of Islamic supremacism -- a crucial battle our default from makes far more difficult for them to win. We know that Muslims, particularly those assimilated into the West, have been working with our law enforcement, military, and intelligence agencies for decades to gather intelligence, infiltrate jihadist cells, thwart jihadist attacks, and fight jihadist militias.

None of those Muslims -- who are not only our allies, but are in fact us -- believes that America is at war with Islam.

So why does Washington base crucial, life-and-death policy on nonsense?

Because it is in the thrall of the enemy. The “war on Islam” propaganda is manufactured by Islamist groups, particularly those tied to the Muslim Brotherhood.

While we resist study of our enemies’ ideology, they go to school on us. They thus grasp three key things:

    (1) Washington is so bloated and dysfunctional, it will leap on any excuse to refrain from strong action;

    (2) the American tradition of religious liberty can be exploited to paralyze our government if national defense against a totalitarian political ideology can be framed as hostility and persecution against an entire religious faith; and

    (3) because Washington has so much difficulty taking action, it welcomes claims (or, to be faddish, “narratives”) that minimize the scope and depth of the threat. Topping the “narrative” list is the fantasy that the Islamist ideological support system that nurtures jihadism (e.g., the Muslim Brotherhood and its tentacles) is better seen as a “moderate,” “non-violent” partner with whom we can work, than as what it actually is: the enemy’s most effective agent. The stealth operative that exploits the atmosphere of intimidation created by the jihadists.

In other words, in proceeding from the premise that we must do nothing to convey the notion that we are “at war with Islam” -- or, in Obama-Clinton parlance, in proceeding from the premise that we need a good “narrative” rather than a truth-based strategy -- we have internalized the enemy’s worldview, a view that is actually rejected by our actual Islamic allies and the vast majority of Americans.

The delusion comes into sharp relief if one listens to Hillary Clinton’s campaign bombast. Robert Spencer incisively quoted it earlier this week:

    [W]e know that a lot of the rhetoric we’ve heard from Donald Trump has been seized on by terrorists, in particular ISIS, because they are looking to make this into a war against Islam, rather than a war against jihadists, violent terrorists, people who number maybe in the maybe tens of thousands, not the tens of millions, they want to use that to recruit more fighters to their cause, by turning it into a religious conflict. That’s why I’ve been very clear. We’re going after the bad guys and we’re going to get them, but we’re not going to go after an entire religion and give ISIS exactly what it’s wanting in order for them to enhance their position.

Sheer idiocy.

Our enemy is not the mere “tens of thousands” of jihadists. (She’s probably low-balling the number of jihadists worldwide, but let’s indulge her.) It is not merely ISIS, nor merely ISIS and al-Qaeda -- an organization Mrs. Clinton conveniently omits mentioning, since it has replenished, thanks to Obama-Clinton governance and despite Obama-Clinton claims to have defeated it, to the point that it is now at least as much a threat as it was on the eve of 9/11.

ISIS and al-Qaeda are not the sources of the threat against us. They are the inevitable results of that threat.

The actual threat, the source, is Islamic supremacism and its sharia imposition agenda.

The support system, which the threat needs to thrive, does indeed include tens of millions of Islamists, some small percentage of whom will inexorably become violent jihadists, but the rest of whom will nurture the ideological aggression and push the radical sharia agenda -- in the media, on the campus, in the courts, and in the policy councils of government that they have so successfully influenced and infiltrated.

Obviously, to acknowledge that we are at war with this movement, at war with Islamic supremacism, is not remotely to be “at war with Islam.” After all, Islamic supremacism seeks conquest over all of Islam, too, and on a much more rapid schedule than its long-term pursuit of conquest over the West. Islamic supremacism is not a fringe movement; it is large and, at the moment, a juggernaut. But too much of Islam opposes Islamic supremacism to be confused with it.

Moreover, even if being at war with Islamic supremacists could be persuasively spun as being “at war with Islam” -- i.e., even if we were too incompetent to refute our enemies’ propaganda convincingly -- it would make no difference.

The war would still be being prosecuted against us. We have to fight it against the actual enemy, and we lose if we allow enemies to dupe us into thinking they are allies. We have to act on reality, even if Washington is too tongue-tied to find the right words for describing reality.

The enemy is in our heads and has shaped our perception of the conflict, to the enemy’s great advantage. That’s how you end up with inanities like “lone wolf.”
54  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Case Study: Hands up , , , and down? on: September 22, 2016, 05:00:08 PM

Not that this matters.

So, as the Obama-Soros administration continues it's war on cops, you should prepare to defend yourself and your family, as increasingly, you are on your own.
55  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Higher proportion of Blacks being shot on: September 21, 2016, 09:36:55 PM
Roughly 50% of ALL US murders are committed by young black males. Without those in the US stats, we would have a lower murder rate than Canada.

And much higher proportion doing the killing.

"It’s the message that police have always been sending black Americans. Blacks make up about 13% of the US population, and yet accounted for 27% of the approximately 1,146 people killed by police in 2015."

I don't know how one can "de link" the above from this:
56  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Life of a Liberal Muslim on: September 21, 2016, 03:16:52 PM

Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Irshad Manji and anyone else who seeks to question current Islamic doctrine end up needing security details.

And it isn't to protect them from rednecks in pickups.
57  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: US Economics, the stock market , and other investment/savings strategies on: September 20, 2016, 07:54:50 PM
It's a fcuking depression. Yes, Wesbury was late to recognize 2008 the way John Denver was late to recognize his lack of ability as a pilot.
58  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Manipulating elections on: September 20, 2016, 05:52:22 PM

Fundamental transformation.
59  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / China-Russia S China Sea wargames on: September 20, 2016, 04:34:19 PM

They are calling it "Operation Obama is a p*ssy"
60  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / A very NYC form of Homeland Security on: September 20, 2016, 12:14:40 PM

One tweet that perfectly sums up being a New Yorker during a terror scare
by Tim Donnelly
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Screen Shot 2016-09-19 at 1.07.14 PMVia, referencing this news story from DNAinfo about how the NY/NJ bombers were thwarted by thieves who pounced on the unattended bags. This piece of news will leave you with a very “well, huh!” feeling about living in New York while the rest of the country panics that we’re under attack from ISIS. This city may at times be a cesspool of thieves, con artists and villainy. But it’s our cesspool. Crime isn’t good, but no real New Yorker would leave their bag unattended anywhere, for exactly this reason.

As a law enforcement source told DNAinfo: “Who in this world finds a pressure cooker with a phone and just takes the bag?”

Be careful out there and be good to each other, however you process your feelings of safety and vigilance. Life goes on in New York, for now.

Bobby Big Wheel @BobbyBigWheel

New York fears ranked
1. Pushed into subway tracks
2. Seamless outage
3. Have to go to Times Square
4. Fav dive bar gentrified
1,563: ISIS
9:00 AM - 19 Sep 2016

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61  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Boycotts pending on: September 20, 2016, 12:10:31 PM

I am done with the NFL.
62  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / The Bushes vs. Trump on: September 20, 2016, 11:57:15 AM

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Trump=Al Czervik
63  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Life in the Fully Politicized Society on: September 20, 2016, 11:48:52 AM

Life in the Fully Politicized Society (rerun)

Posted by David Foster on September 20th, 2016 (All posts by David Foster)

(The politicization of American society has increased markedly since I wrote this post in May of 2014.  Sports, for example, is now politicized–see what happens when a culture loses its last neutral ground?–along with everything from shopping to education. The sway of ‘progressive’ orthodoxy continues to extend its sway over all aspect of American life.)

Many will remember Michelle Obama’s 2008 speech, in which she said:

Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed….You have to stay at the seat at the table of democracy with a man like Barack Obama not just on Tuesday but in a year from now, in four years from now, in eight years from now, you will have to be engaged.

Victor Davis Hanson notes that she also said:

We are going to have to change our conversation; we’re going to have to change our traditions, our history; we’re going to have to move into a different place as a nation.

…which is, of course, entirely consistent with the assertion made by Barack Obama himself, shortly before his first inauguration:  “We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.”

It should be clear by now that all aspects of American life and society are rapidly becoming politicized. Obama has greatly accelerated this movement, but he didn’t initiate it.  The “progressive” political movement, which now controls the Democratic Party, has for a long time been driving the politicization of anything and everything.  The assertion “the personal is political” originated in the late 1960s…and, if the personal is political, then everything is political.

Some people, of course, like the politicization of everything–for some individuals, indeed, their lives would be meaningless without it. In his important memoir of growing up in Germany between the wars, Sebastian Haffnernoted divergent reactions from people when the political and economic situation stabilized (temporarily, as we now know) during the Stresemann chancellorship:

The last ten years were forgotten like a bad dream. The Day of Judgment was remote again, and there was no demand for saviors or revolutionaries…There was an ample measure of freedom, peace, and order, everywhere the most well-meaning liberal-mindedness, good wages, good food and a little political boredom. everyone was cordially invited to concentrate on their personal lives, to arrange their affairs according to their own taste and to find their own paths to happiness.

But this return to private life was not to everyone’s taste:

A generation of young Germans had become accustomed to having the entire content of their lives delivered gratis, so to speak, by the public sphere, all the raw material for their deeper emotions…Now that these deliveries suddently ceased, people were left helpless, impoverished, robbed, and disappointed. They had never learned how to live from within themselves, how to make an ordinary private life great, beautiful and worth while, how to enjoy it and make it interesting. So they regarded the end of political tension and the return of private liberty not as a gift, but as a deprivation. They were bored, their minds strayed to silly thoughts, and they began to sulk.


To be precise (the occasion demands precision, because in my opinion it provides the key to the contemporary period of history): it was not the entire generation of young Germans. Not every single individual reacted in this fashion. There were some who learned during this period, belatedly and a little clumsily, as it were, how to live. they began to enjoy their own lives, weaned themselves from the cheap intoxication of the sports of war and revolution, and started to develop their own personalities. It was at this time that, invisibly and unnoticed, the Germans divided into those who later became Nazis and those who would remain non-Nazis.

I’m afraid we have quite a few people in America today who like having “the entire content of their lives delivered gratis, so to speak, by the public sphere, all the raw material for their deeper emotions.”  But for most people, especially for creative and emotionally-healthy people, the politicization of everything leads to a dreary and airless existence.


In her novel We the Living, based partly on her personal experiences in the early Soviet Union (which is probably why it is, IMO, the best of her books from a literary standpoint), Ayn Rand paints a vivid picture of what day-to-day life in the politicized society is like.  Her heroine, Kira Argounova, is a strong anti-Communist, but absent other options has found a job (which she got through intervention of a Communist friend) in something called “The House of the Peasant,” which is dedicated to “a closer understanding between workers and peasants,” under the slogan “The Clamping of CIty and Village,” celebrated with posters bearing slogans like “Comrades, strengthen the Clamping!”

Kira’s boss at the House of the Peasant is an older woman “thin, gray-haired, military and in strict sympathy with the Soviet Government; her chief aim in life was to give constant evidence of how strict that sympathy was, even though she had graduated from a women’s college…”  But the boss lives in fear of “a tall girl with a long nose and a leather jacket, who was a Party member and could make Comrade Bitiuk shudder at her slightest whim, and knew it…”  All the office staff members also live in fear of the Wall Newspaper, which carries criticisms of individual workers both for their personal behavior as well as their work performance:

Comrade Nadia Chernova is wearing silk stockings. Time to be reminded that such flaunting of luxury is un-proletarian, Comrade Chernova…Comrade E Ovsov indulges in too much talk when asked about business. This leads to a waste of valuable time…We hear that Comrade Kira Argounova is lacking in social spirit. The time is past, Comrade Argounova, for arrogant bourgeois attitudes.

After reading this last, Kira “stood very still and heard her heart beating. No one dared to ignore the mighty pointing finger of the Wall Newspaper…No one could save those branded as “anti-social element,” not even (Kira’s Communist friend) Andrei Taganov…At her desk, she watched the others in the room, wondering who had reported her to the Wall Newspaper…”

All workers in the office are expected to be member of the Marxist Club (ie, to be “engaged,” as Michelle Obama would put it), which meets after hours and for attendance at which the workers are not paid. The club met twice a week: one member read a thesis he had prepared and the others discussed it.  When it is Kira’s turn, she reads her thesis on “Marxism and Leninism,” which she has copied, barely changing the words, from the “ABC of Communism,” a book whose study is compulsory in every school in the country.

She knew that all her listeners had read it, that they had also read her thesis, time and time again, in every editorial of every newspaper for the last six years. They sat around her, hunched, legs stretched out limply, shivering in their overcoats. They knew she was there for the same reason they were.  The girl in the leather jacket presided, yawning once in a while.

After mandatory discussion (“Kira knew that she had to argue and defend her thesis; she knew that the consumptive young man had to argue to show his activity; she knew that he was no more interested in the discussion than she was, that his blue eyelids were weary with sleeplessness, that he clasped his thin hands nervously, not daring to glance at his wristwatch…”), the meeting finally comes to a close. “We shall thank Comrade Argounova for her valuable work,” said the chairman. “Our next meeting will be devoted to a thesis by Comrade Leskov on ‘Marxism and Collectivism.’”

If this sort of thing sounds like a lot of fun to you, then you should be applauding the increased politicization of America.  Of course, to a certain type of person–the type represented above by the girl in the leather jacket–such a society is something to look forward to.

The endpoint of such a society can be found in the words of the Nazi judge Roland Freisler, who, in sentencing Christoph Probst to death, sneered at his defense: “He is a “nonpolitical man” — hence no man at all!”…the implication being that manhood and humanity are only to be found via participation in (approved) political activity. This is the ultimate development of the “the personal is political” line.

The politicization of American life has originated very largely in the universities–indeed, what has happened in these institutions has been a leading indicator for what is happening in the larger society.  For just one of thousands of examples, see this post about the indoctrination conducted by the University of Delaware as part of its “Residence Life” program. See also the notes of one of UD’s designated indoctrinators about his or her interview with a young woman who was showing more independence and spirit than is apparently desired by that institution. The degree of bureaucratic intrusiveness in this conversation could have come right out the the “House of the Peasant” in the above-referenced novel.

I’ve been reading David Mamet’s book about the  film industry, Bambi vs. Godzilla. He mentions his 1992 play Oleanna, which he describes as “a rather straightforward classical tragedy” which “drove people berserk.”  The play involved a girl who made an accusation of rape against a male professor, said accusation being either questionable or outright false.

The play’s first audience a group of undergraduates from Brown. They came to a dress rehearsal. The play ended and I asked the folks what they thought.  “Don’t you think it’s politically questionable,” said one, “to have the girl make a false accusation of rape?”

(I guess it was even more politically questionable for Shakespeare to have Lady Macbeth plotting murder.) Mamet describes his own reaction to the reaction of the Brown students:

I, in my ignorance, was stunned. I didn’t realize that it was my job to be politically acceptable.  I’d always thought society employed me to be dramatic; further, I wondered what force had so perverted the young that they would think that increasing the political enfranchisement of a group rendered a member of that group incapable of error–in effect, rendered her other than huan.

For if the subject of art is not our maculate, fragile, and often pathetic humanity, what is the point of the exercise?

But, of course, in the fully politicized society the role of art is the same as the role of science or education or car-building or grocery-shopping….to promote the interests of the dominant or ascendant power structure.

Note that the incident David Mamet describes happened way back in 1992.  We are now in our second or third generation of university administrators and professors who have grown up in a highly politicized climate and take it as the normal way for human beings to live. It was inevitable that this toxic orientation would seep out into the larger society and increasingly dominate it, and now it has.

9/20/16:  see also the bitter wastes of politicized America  and my ‘theme’ post with multiple links on the nature of politicized societies.
64  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: I need help stripping the header of a VIP's email , , , on: September 20, 2016, 11:23:30 AM

No intent! -Corrupt Comey
65  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: ACORN on: September 20, 2016, 09:05:49 AM
You really need to screen cap the below FB page and forward this to the Trump campaign, maybe

You don't get them to the polls, you fill out absentee ballots. Just like how all the dead people in Chicago always vote.  Absentee and democrat.

This is supremely true here in Mexico currently. They have a Facebook page dedicated to it in fact, where they expressly ask you to register yourself and anyone else you may know, in order to keep Trump from winning.

As of posting this, just one post on the Avaaz page has some 106,000 shares and they aren't the only page looking for voters. The fact that they ask you to register others is troubling. I am reading his entire thread, because in the end, to me, it is more important "who" counts the votes, but this should be noted. People are asking for people's names and addresses here in Mexico, in order to fill absentee ballots with their names.

It is a fact, that many of these voters cannot be identified or vetted thoroughly.

66  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Clear evidence of intent on: September 19, 2016, 07:42:43 PM

No intent? Corrupt Comey.
67  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Jihad-a-sota on: September 19, 2016, 05:58:48 PM

See no evil.
68  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Whoops! Citizenship granted to 858 pending deportation on: September 19, 2016, 02:24:31 PM
Strange, we usually see lots of competence from an agency run by the qualified Jeh Johnson.

U.S. government “mistakenly” granted citizenship to at least 858 immigrants, many from countries of concern to national security
September 19, 2016 11:40 am By Robert Spencer Leave a Comment

“Mistakenly awarding citizenship to someone ordered deported can have serious consequences because U.S. citizens can typically apply for and receive security clearances or take security-sensitive jobs.”
What could possibly go wrong, you racist, bigoted Islamophobe?

In any case, this shows the quality of the Obama “vetting” process.

“More than 800 immigrants mistakenly granted citizenship,” Associated Press, September 19, 2016:
WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. government has mistakenly granted citizenship to at least 858 immigrants from countries of concern to national security or with high rates of immigration fraud who had pending deportation orders, according to an internal Homeland Security audit released Monday.

The Homeland Security Department’s inspector general found that the immigrants used different names or birthdates to apply for citizenship with U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services and such discrepancies weren’t caught because their fingerprints were missing from government databases.

DHS said in an emailed statement that an initial review of these cases suggest that some of the individuals may have ultimately qualified for citizenship, and that the lack of digital fingerprint records does not necessarily mean they committed fraud.

The report does not identify any of the immigrants by name, but Inspector General John Roth’s auditors said they were all from “special interest countries” — those that present a national security concern for the United States — or neighboring countries with high rates of immigration fraud. The report did not identify those countries.

DHS said the findings reflect what has long been a problem for immigration officials — old paper-based records containing fingerprint information that can’t be searched electronically. DHS says immigration officials are in the process of uploading these files and that officials will review “every file” identified as a case of possible fraud.

Roth’s report said fingerprints are missing from federal databases for as many as 315,000 immigrants with final deportation orders or who are fugitive criminals. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has not reviewed about 148,000 of those immigrants’ files to add fingerprints to the digital record.

The gap was created because older, paper records were never added to fingerprint databases created by both the now-defunct Immigration and Naturalization Service and the FBI in the 1990s. ICE, the DHS agency responsible for finding and deporting immigrants living in the country illegally, didn’t consistently add digital fingerprint records of immigrants whom agents encountered until 2010.

The government has known about the information gap and its impact on naturalization decisions since at least 2008 when a Customs and Border Protection official identified 206 immigrants who used a different name or other biographical information to gain citizenship or other immigration benefits, though few cases have been investigated.

Roth’s report said federal prosecutors have accepted two criminal cases that led to the immigrants being stripped of their citizenship. But prosecutors declined another 26 cases. ICE is investigating 32 other cases after closing 90 investigations.

ICE officials told auditors that the agency hadn’t pursued many of these cases in the past because federal prosecutors “generally did not accept immigration benefits fraud cases.” ICE said the Justice Department has now agreed to focus on cases involving people who have acquired security clearances, jobs of public trust or other security credentials.

Mistakenly awarding citizenship to someone ordered deported can have serious consequences because U.S. citizens can typically apply for and receive security clearances or take security-sensitive jobs….

69  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Russia on: September 19, 2016, 01:36:21 PM

It is my understanding that the FSB never stopped referring to it's self as the KGB internally.
70  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Homeland Security, Border Protection, and American Freedom on: September 19, 2016, 09:54:13 AM
No worries, the qualified Jeh Johnson is on the job!

I was going to post it on my facebook account, but thought better of it due to the fact that I have friends and coworkers from Africa and Mexico on my page and didn't want to hurt their feelings or give them the wrong idea. I also have to say, that at work, I have often seen agents from the National Institution of Migration working at several checkpoints throughout the country and they are VERY proactive. Still, this is happening.

Having said that, it cannot be ignored, that here in Mexico, there have been 7000 African immigrants admitted legally, the majority of which, went DIRECTLY to the border, attempting to enter the United States.

Mexico is now in a quandary as to what to do with them. Why they were admitted, I have no idea, and bear in mind, that doesn't count the Syrian immigrants allowed refuge here as well.

I'm citing the Universal (the most important newspaper in Mexico) as a source for this. I apologize that it is in Spanish, and if need be, I'll translate it. The article is from two weeks ago.

Basically, Mexico is granting the transit visas to cross Mexico and enter the States because the Africans are claiming that they have a job or relatives awaiting them in the States. Still others, are crossing into Mexico illegally, some of whom are detained.

It needs to be mentioned that, you can walk right into the United States from Mexico, but... that you'll have to pay your coyote guide (about 20-30 thousand pesos), and nowadays you have to pay the Zetas another 10,000 pesos at certain points they have set up, or they'll kill you? If you know how to avoid their checkpoints, you can get in for free, but if you try to avoid them and are caught, it's the last thing you will ever do.  (All of this is a separate subject, but it bears mentioning due to the fact, that people are entering Mexico, and if refused entry legally *which the Africans have been,* they can still enter one of two ways - guided or taking their chances on foot).

Her is an article in English on it, citing Breitbart as well:

This is a great post, important point.  There is an age-old, political economic disagreement about the value of new immigrants, needed for labor and age demographics, but pushing down wages for low income workers.  The WSJ view against Buchanan, Perot, Trump, etc.  This may be irreconcilable, but the idea that we need to control our borders and entries in a time of international terrorism is not.
71  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Homeland Security, Border Protection, and American Freedom on: September 19, 2016, 09:32:24 AM
"Carry a gun ready to use"

or be very sure Hillary's body guards are near by.

They are too busy dragging her unconscious body around to be of much help.
72  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Hillbillary Clintons long, sordid, and often criminal history on: September 18, 2016, 10:12:40 PM
What are those risks?

Drawing the attention of lots of entities that you don't want attention from.
73  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Media, Ministry of Truth Issues on: September 18, 2016, 06:59:22 PM
CNN continue unbridled cover ups for Clinton while going all out to make Trump look bad:

Soon we will hear Clinton blame some obscure person for saying something against the prophet as instigating these legitimate attacks with "disgusting" offensive remarks.

It's almost like these professional journalists have some sort of bias. Oh, if only bigdog was here to explain it to us.
74  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Clinton emails found on deep web/ dark net on: September 18, 2016, 03:54:36 PM
I personally would avoid the dark web altogether. Big boy rules apply.

People are afraid of the deepweb or don't know how to access it. They shouldn't be afraid and it isn't difficult to access.

Just download the TOR browser (from TOR), have a deicated computer for specifically that with no personal info on it or use a thumb drive to boot your system, a VPN, and you're good to go. Don't download anything from there, and obviously avoid the smut pages and whatnot, but it's surprising what is on there that Google and company don't register in their search engines. You can basically find whatever you want.

Edit: Make sure you cover up your camera physically as well and don't speak while surfing, or any background noise for that matter.
75  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Clinton emails found on deep web/ dark net on: September 18, 2016, 01:07:12 PM

In deep.
76  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Another mental illness outbreak! on: September 18, 2016, 02:15:59 AM

Will we ever know the motive?
77  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Trump Didn't "Ask" on: September 18, 2016, 02:07:50 AM
National polls don't matter because it's not a national vote. Also, there will be epic levels of fraud and alterations.

Delving deeper, we know that many Sander's voters won't actually jump ship. I think the actual number is closer to 30% (one in three voters for Sanders) Which means, 10 million voters will either vote for Trump, Stein, or Johnson. If we assign half to Stein, and split the rest between Trump and Johnson, here what it looks like in closing:

Trump - 63,500,000
Clinton - 55,640,000
Stein - 5,469,000 (counting her .5 million from 2012)
Johnson - 3,775,000 (counting the 1.27 mil he had from 2012)

I stated that Trump would get 52% of the vote. With 63.5 million and a voter turnout of 128 million, he'd have to be at 66.56 million (well within what he could reach with Sanders bailouts).

I stated that Hillary would be at 44% of the vote or 56.32 million voters of 128 million. Based on Barracks numbers of 66,000,000 in 2012, and a 1/3 to 1/2 of Sander's voters jumping ship, the empress could easily find herself 15 million votes short, putting her as low as 51,000,000, well within the target I have proposed.

Needless to say, these aren't electoral college votes, nor are they swing state votes.

1. Most Latinos already reside in Blue states, BUT.... they aren't interested in seeing other Mexicans other than their immediate family come and take their jobs.
2. States that have been blue could go red because of this, with purple states having an even higher turnover.
3. Trump won't get the Black vote, but at 12%-15% (19 million votes) of the population, and most based in Blue states, he doesn't need it.

Basically what I've come up with.
78  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Illary Clinton and Article 1, Section 9 on: September 17, 2016, 07:54:20 PM
Anyone remember this from Article 1, Section 9? Friends in Europe were surprised we included this.
"No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State."

Rules are for the little people.
79  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Do as I say, not as I do. on: September 17, 2016, 02:30:21 PM

80  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: "Allah akbar" means "I am mentally ill, nothing to do with islam"! on: September 17, 2016, 02:03:29 PM

Cop attacked by meat cleaver madman released from hospital
NY Daily News

Rocco Parascandola
Dale W. Eisinger
Larry Mcshane
Updated: Friday, September 16, 2016, 8:27 PM
Meat cleaver madman, a Palestinian, was in Midtown to appeal deportation order before he sliced cop

The meat cleaver maniac who hacked an off-duty cop is a Palestinian busted two months ago while screaming in Arabic outside a Brooklyn synagogue.

Suspect Akram Joudeh was only in New York for Thursday’s Midtown rampage because he was appealing a deportation notice — with a hearing set for Oct. 14, a high-ranking NYPD source told the Daily News.

Cops found two knives inside Joudeh’s car after answering the July report of an erratic man on Shore Parkway in Brooklyn shout “Allahu Akbar!” — or “God is great” in Arabic.

But the source said investigations by the NYPD and FBI showed Joudeh, 32, was emotionally disturbed and not a terrorist threat.
81  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / "Allah akbar" means "I am mentally ill, nothing to do with islam"! on: September 17, 2016, 01:45:51 PM

Cop attacked by meat cleaver madman released from hospital
NY Daily News

Rocco Parascandola
Dale W. Eisinger
Larry Mcshane
Updated: Friday, September 16, 2016, 8:27 PM
Meat cleaver madman, a Palestinian, was in Midtown to appeal deportation order before he sliced cop

The meat cleaver maniac who hacked an off-duty cop is a Palestinian busted two months ago while screaming in Arabic outside a Brooklyn synagogue.

Suspect Akram Joudeh was only in New York for Thursday’s Midtown rampage because he was appealing a deportation notice — with a hearing set for Oct. 14, a high-ranking NYPD source told the Daily News.

Cops found two knives inside Joudeh’s car after answering the July report of an erratic man on Shore Parkway in Brooklyn shout “Allahu Akbar!” — or “God is great” in Arabic.

But the source said investigations by the NYPD and FBI showed Joudeh, 32, was emotionally disturbed and not a terrorist threat.
82  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: American commandos forced to run away by US backed Syrian jihadis on: September 17, 2016, 01:35:27 PM

Thank allah those were moderate muslims!
83  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Hillbillary Clintons long, sordid, and often criminal history on: September 16, 2016, 12:29:08 PM
Doug, those are professional journalists! They have credentials! How dare you question them?

10,000 go to see one candidate; 200 go to see the other.  No story there, at least nothing that fits the narrative.

The collaboration of Google and Facebook is truly Orwellian.  At least with Pravda the Soviet subjects only had one state run news room.

The saddest thing, is that the Russians knew Pravda was bullshiite.
84  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Anti-semitism & Jews on: September 16, 2016, 12:19:16 PM
Not sure the aid package will do much to mitigate a nuclear Iran.

Yup.  80 % of Jews are Democrats now first.  Dershowitz can say he is for Israel but he still remains a Democrat.

Ironic isn't it.  That despite 911 liberals including Jews spend more time defending Muslims than their own. 
All the while the Muslim population and political strength is growing and the anti semitic segment of the Blacks in the US has gained power.

Though the one bright side is the recent 10 yr 38 billion dollar aid package to Israel just signed.

85  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Hillbillary Clintons long, sordid, and often criminal history on: September 16, 2016, 12:17:47 PM
Doug, those are professional journalists! They have credentials! How dare you question them?

Again, as a general rule, Infowars is not a welcome source here.  Unless there is particular reason for a particular piece-- which should be noted and explained-- please do not use it.

I changed the source. 

Mainstream sources aren't running stories about Hillary's enthusiasm deficit yet and Google fails to search negative Clinton stories.

The point remains, why were universities and companies paying a quarter million for a speech people won't go see for free?

While we're at it, what was in those Goldman Sachs speeches she won't release?  My guess is nothing of interest. 
86  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Leaked dem email and Hillary's health on: September 16, 2016, 09:11:23 AM

87  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Hillbillary Clintons long, sordid, and often criminal history on: September 16, 2016, 12:29:23 AM
An odd irony about Ms. Clinton, she was so valuable as a speaker (quarter million an hour?) and now she can't pay people to watch her boring speeches.  Something is amiss.

"Thousands of empty seats"

"Clinton's crowd size dwarfed by Trump"

An info wars link? Quick,get the spray!
88  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Islam - Education, Rebuttals and Counter-Terror on: September 15, 2016, 11:23:16 PM
Good thing CAIR isn't allowed to infiltrate and influence government in the US!

CAIR. Deception and subversive activity by political front groups.

“Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.”

That’s not a quote from Osama bin Laden. It’s a quote from Omar Ahmad, a founder of the Council for American Islamic Relations, the Hamas-affiliated Muslim Brotherhood front group named as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation terror financing trial.

In 1993, the U.S. Muslim Brotherhood Palestine Committee organised a secret meeting in Philadelphia that the FBI wiretapped. The participants, which included two future CAIR founders, Nihad Awad and Omar Ahmad, discussed how to support Hamas and, in the words of a 2009 ruling by a federal judge, “goals, strategies and American perceptions of the Muslim Brotherhood.” Ahmad was recorded discussing how to modify language about destroying Israel for an American audience.

The need to create a new “neutral” entity for influencing U.S. policy and opinion was agreed upon because as they said “it is known who we are.” CAIR was formed by Awad and Ahmad the next year.

Federal prosecutors in 2007 named CAIR (along with two other Islamic organizations) as “unindicted co-conspirators and/or joint venturers” in a criminal conspiracy in the trial of the Holy Land Foundation for financing and providing support to the Hamas terrorist group. CAIR was listed among “individuals/entities who are/were members of the U.S. Muslim Brotherhood’s Palestine Committee and/or its organizations.”

The United Arab Emirates’ ministerial cabinet listed the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) as one of 83 proscribed terrorist organizations, up there with the Taliban, al-Qaeda, and ISIS.

The Saudi, Emirati, Kuwaiti, and Bahraini rulers view politicians like Mohamed Morsi of Egypt as their enemies, as they do Hamas and its offshoot groups - including CAIR.

Shaikh Abdullah bin Zayed Al Nahyan, UAE Foreign Minister, recently published a list of terrorist organisations. Two of them raised eyebrows - the Council of American-Islamic Relations and the Muslim-American Society. He said, "Our threshold is quite low when we talk about extremism. We cannot accept incitement or funding ... we cannot tolerate even the smallest, tiniest amount of terrorism.

At least seven board members or staff at CAIR have been arrested, denied entry to the U.S., or were indicted on or pled guilty to (or were convicted of) terrorist charges: Siraj Wahhaj, Bassem Khafagi, Randall (“Ismail”) Royer, Ghassan Elashi, Rabih Haddad, Muthanna Al-Hanooti, and Nabil Sadoun.

The UAE minister of state for foreign affairs replied that if organizations can show that their “approach has changed,” they are eligible to appeal “to have their names eliminated from the list.”

Based on all of this, there is ample reason to delve deeper into these groups, networks and individuals, to examine their motives and intentions. To take the statements of some groups and individuals at face value is, at best, naive.

It is both an underestimation of terror groups and wilful ignorance of their ethos.
89  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Immigration issues on: September 15, 2016, 10:32:57 PM
I do not have a citation, but am I correct that Baraq is looking to bring in over 100,000 "Syrians" in 2017?   shocked angry shocked

Got tourniquets?
90  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Things get spicy in Asia on: September 15, 2016, 08:49:10 PM

Strong horse.

Weak horse.

Hey Australia,

91  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Hillbillary Clintons long, sordid, and often criminal history on: September 15, 2016, 01:02:17 PM
"Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past."-Orwell

How A Failed Commune Gave Us What Is Now Thanksgiving

Jerry Bowyer , 


Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own.
English: "The First Thanksgiving at Plymo...

 "The First Thanksgiving at Plymouth" (1914) By Jennie A. Brownscombe (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

It’s wrong to say that American was founded by capitalists. In fact, America was founded by socialists who had the humility to learn from their initial mistakes and embrace freedom. One of the earliest and arguably most historically significant North American colonies was Plymouth Colony, founded in 1620 in what is now known as Plymouth, Massachusetts. As I’ve outlined in greater detail here before (Lessons From a Capitalist Thanksgiving), the original colony had written into its charter a system of communal property and labor. As William Bradford recorded in his Of Plymouth Plantation, a people who had formerly been known for their virtue and hard work became lazy and unproductive. Resources were squandered, vegetables were allowed to rot on the ground and mass starvation was the result. And where there is starvation, there is plague. After 2 1/2 years, the leaders of the colony decided to abandon their socialist mandate and create a system which honored private property. The colony survived and thrived and the abundance which resulted was what was celebrated at that iconic Thanksgiving feast.

As my friend Reuven Brenner has taught me, history is a series of experiments: The Human Gamble. Some gambles work and are adopted by history and some do not and should be abandoned by it. The problem is that the human gamble only works if there is a record of experimental outcomes and if decision makers consult that record. For many years, the story of the first failed commune of Plymouth Bay was part of the collective memory of American students. But Progressive Education found that story unhelpful and it has fallen into obscurity, which explains why (as I alluded to before) a well-educated establishment figure like Jared Bernstein would be unaware of it.

I’m often asked why our current leadership class forgets the lessons of the past so often. They are, after all, very smart men and women. Don’t they know that collectivism will fail?

No, they don’t. Not anymore. For much of our history, our leaders were educated in the principles which were to help them avoid errors once they have joined the ruling class. They studied to learn how to not misuse power. Now our leaders learn nothing of the dangers of abusing power: their education is entirely geared to its acquisition.  All of their neurons are trained on that one objective – to get to the top. What they do when they get there is a matter for later. And what happens to the country when they’re done with their experiments is beside the point: after all, their experiments will not really affect them personally. History is the story of the limitations of human power. But the limits of power is a topic for people who doubt themselves and their right to rule, not the self-anointed.

That’s how it is now, and that’s how it was in 1620. The charter of the Plymouth Colony reflected the most up-to-date economic, philosophical and religious thinking of the early 17th century. Plato was in vogue then, and Plato believed in central planning by intellectuals in the context of communal property, centralized state education, state centralized cultural offerings and communal family structure. For Plato, it literally did take a village to raise a child. This collectivist impulse reflected itself in various heretical offshoots of Protestant Christianity with names like The True Levelers, and the Diggers, mass movements of people who believed that property and income distinctions should be eliminated, that the wealthy should have their property expropriated and given to what we now call the 99%. This kind of thinking was rife in the 1600s and is perhaps why the Pilgrim settlers settled for a charter which did not create a private property system.

But the Pilgrims learned and prospered. And what they learned, we have forgotten and we fade.  Now, new waves of ignorant masses flood into parks and public squares. New Platonists demand control of other people’s property. New True Levelers legally occupy the prestige pulpits of our nation, secular and sacred. And now, as then, the productive class of our now gigantic, colony-turned-superpower, learn and teach again, the painful lessons of history. Collectivism violates the iron laws of human nature. It has always failed. It is always failing, and it will always fail. I thank God that it is failing now. Providence is teaching us once again.

When I was a boy, after my mother divorced, she got welfare. I also remember her carrying rocks working on a construction crew. Growing up on a farm, none of us were strangers to hard, manual labor. I'm not against welfare. I'm against people not having to do anything for it, especially manual labor, a hand up.

I don't think we should have socialist "collectives," but there's nothing wrong with people getting welfare being forced to work on farms that grow food in exchange for it, until they find something better and can get off of it.

Interesting point about the pilgrims attempting socialism. I learn something new everyday. It is funny though... to see how many centuries people have attempted socialism, having it fail, and trying it again, expecting different results.

Talk to many democrats? They think we aren't spending enough money. We need MOAR government!

The vote for the liberal elite in exchange for continuing the programs explains how we got stuck in this cycle.  Someone (Trump) pointing out that they're getting the shaft is the start of how we break out of it.

Malcolm X was in a better position to say it than me (race thread?), "Chumps".  "They are taking you for chumps."

This isn't a better life and we're killing off the golden goose that got you the Obamaphones.
92  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Mexico wants a wall! on: September 15, 2016, 12:57:12 PM
Yes, it's called fcuking over your neighbor. Imagine if we had a national policy of pushing Detroit's underclass into Ontario. Think the Canadians might be a bit pissed? We could then just accuse them of racism.

Make Guatemala pay for it.

"an estimated 2.5 million Nicaraguans out of 5.5 million live in extreme poverty."

They're coming to Mexico for those Ford manufacturing jobs...

Mexico faces the same problems we do.
93  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Hillbillary Clintons long, sordid, and often criminal history on: September 15, 2016, 12:48:56 PM
Talk to many democrats? They think we aren't spending enough money. We need MOAR government!

The vote for the liberal elite in exchange for continuing the programs explains how we got stuck in this cycle.  Someone (Trump) pointing out that they're getting the shaft is the start of how we break out of it.

Malcolm X was in a better position to say it than me (race thread?), "Chumps".  "They are taking you for chumps."

This isn't a better life and we're killing off the golden goose that got you the Obamaphones.
94  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Mexico wants a wall! on: September 15, 2016, 12:40:14 PM

95  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Hillbillary Clintons long, sordid, and often criminal history on: September 15, 2016, 12:35:36 PM
Quid pro quo? The underclass gets the bread and circuses which they trade for votes for the political elites. Some people work for a living, others vote for a living.

I wonder what (if any) welfare programs were available in 1774?

Immigrants came here and only got private charity, if anything.

Private charity, yes, but mostly family.  If you reached adulthood without being able to make it on your own, you turned to family for shelter and meals and they expected something in return for it like all day, everyday labor!  Where is the quid pro quo in welfare?
96  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential on: September 15, 2016, 12:25:22 PM
Blacks and Hispanics and blue collar whites are the people hurt most by illegal aliens.
97  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Islam - Education, Rebuttals and Counter-Terror on: September 15, 2016, 12:22:39 PM
The West's leaders, especially our traitorous president don't much care for the nations they are responsible for leading.

Western Europe is too far gone. Western civilization isn't looking too healthy either.


They only succeed because we let them. They couldn't get far if we opposed them, however our leadership is confused, weak, agenda-driven, traitorous or all of the above. They are using subversive means since direct confrontation would be a losing strategy and always has been. However, they have mastered Boyd's concepts of 4th Generation Warfare (low intensity guerrilla warfare) and use them to good effect.

I do think in many places we are beyond dialogue and there will be conflict, which is unfortunate but likely unavoidable to reassert Western values. I believe there is reason to be optimistic, and that we should engage in an effort to educate ourselves and others. Ignorance and complacency led us here, knowledge and action will see us through.
98  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / A big piece falls into place for China's Pacific Imperium on: September 15, 2016, 12:16:44 PM

Another big win for Team Smart power!

Fundamentally changed.
99  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Islam - Education, Rebuttals and Counter-Terror on: September 15, 2016, 12:11:28 PM
Western Europe is too far gone. Western civilization isn't looking too healthy either.

I am enjoying and appreciating Martel's posts.  Welcome!

I love the detail and the supporting research.  I wonder what the over-riding theme could bne boiled down to in a thesis point or two or three.  What is it that people, voters and policy makers need to know?

We all have our own discussions with liberals we know or people we disagree with.  (The Libertarian candidate is also for open borders and soft on terrorism.)  What I have heard back when I talk of the threat of Islamic terrorism is something like, 'I choose not to live in fear'.  The Obama administration has mostly embodied that, don't name the threat, don't acknowledge it.  Many believe that if peaceful, loving people talk more about peace and love it will come true. 

Meanwhile, al Qaida, ISIS, the caliphate, Jihad, torture, terror, bombings and beheadings and the Islamic immigration invasion are all real, true and coming our way.

The violence in Islam is a feature, not a bug.  Peaceful Muslims are not able to point to real meanings in text and convince the Jihadists they have it all wrong. 

I don't live in a specific fear that I will be blown up or beheaded.  The numbers of killings, even counting 9/11/01, are relatively small.  Rather, I live in a policy vacuum where we aren't doing the right things to protect our country.

The invasion of Europe, the no-go zones and the civil wars there are real.  We have the same going on here to a smaller degree in an earlier phase.

There is only one lesson the US could take out of WWII if we had the full benefits of clairvoyance and hindsight.  Intervene sooner.  This threat is different from Hitlerism for sure but the idea that we are way over here so it doesn't affect us is wrong and dangerous.

We need deep, strategic thinking and long term consistent actions.  It starts with a clear understanding of the threat.
100  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Hillbillary Clintons long, sordid, and often criminal history on: September 15, 2016, 12:08:18 PM
The Pilgrims tried socialism when they first got here. Funny enough, it collapsed and they almost starved to death (Hola Venezuela!). Immigrants came here and only got private charity, if anything. America represented opportunity, not a promise of three hots and a cot.

That tends to happen when Obamaphones and mealtickets are only a few forms away.

I wonder what (if any) welfare programs were available in 1774? It's a valid question. You take away someone's security, their cushoned existence, and watch them start caring. At that point, revolutionary violence wouldn't even be necessary. people would start to care.

We all know where welfare and votes purchased from it leads. How to end it (or at a minimum curtail it to a point where it doesn't become a way of life), in the interest of everyone's well-being.

This is the problem, that "government of the people, by the people, for the people" has perished. Killed by public ignorance and apathy and the deep state.

"This goes so much deeper than meets the eye. There is a reason she is being protected. She would take so many others with her including Obama."


Guru Crafty, tail wags, but that wasn't mine. I stole it from the comments section because it seemed exactly so.

What difference at this point does it make??

 In the recluse of the White House we would not even know when she is no longer able to serve.

 We still don't know if she was sober, awake or conscious during the Benghazi crisis.

 She disappears 15 days at a time and goes 300 days without a press conference.

 It would take a court order and a constitutional crisis to even go in and find out if she was still president.

You're right of course. I know what my answer is, but the founding fathers are viewed as terrorists by the federal government.

I have to add, I think Hillary should have chosen Michael J. Fox for her campaign manager. Snarky I know, but imagine the public buy in that would have generated.
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