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9851  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Sharia 101 on: November 04, 2010, 02:18:55 PM
JDN is 100% fact-proof.

So please explain how CAIR has legal standing to challenge Oklahoma's constitution.
9852  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The War on Drugs on: November 04, 2010, 10:47:57 AM
Is it possible that the dynamics of meth addiction are different than alcohol? Is the prohibition of alcohol the best example? The brits fought two wars with China to end China's prohibition of opium, with the end result of about a quarter of the chinese population addicted to the drug with all the serious social impacts one would expect from that degree of addiction.
9853  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: US Foreign Policy on: November 04, 2010, 10:29:36 AM
Issues aren't in check and they are only quiet as the US MSM hasn't really covered them. China and Russia have already long concluded that the US is no longer willing to stop them. Hillary's 3 party talks invitation to resolve the disputed islands claimed by Japan and China was rejected with obvious contempt by China.
9854  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: california on: November 04, 2010, 10:09:45 AM
And what legal standing would you argue that the muslim brotherhood's US front has to litigate this constitutional amendment?
9855  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: california on: November 04, 2010, 09:59:51 AM
Of course.  wink


California unemployment rate: 12.4%

Oklahoma: 6.9%


9856  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: california on: November 04, 2010, 09:32:05 AM
But the will of the collective free people voted on this one.


70% of the voters in OK in the last election voted for the sharia ban. Funny how your reverence for the will of the people is less than consistent. 
9857  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The War on Drugs on: November 04, 2010, 09:26:19 AM
So as long as high grade meth was able to be purchased at Walmart, then the children of the addicted would be well taken care of?
9858  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Sharia 101 on: November 04, 2010, 03:50:17 AM
**JDN, if a slave was purchased lawfully per sharia law outside the US, should those islamic property rights apply within the US? If not, why not?**
A shadow cast by the strength and perdurability of Islamic slavery can be seen in instances where Muslims have managed to import this institution to the United States. A Saudi named Homaidan Al-Turki, for instance, was sentenced in September 2006 to 27 years to life in prison, for keeping a woman as a slave in his home in Colorado. For his part, Al-Turki claimed that he was a victim of anti-Muslim bias. He told the judge: “Your honor, I am not here to apologize, for I cannot apologize for things I did not do and for crimes I did not commit. The state has criminalized these basic Muslim behaviors. Attacking traditional Muslim behaviors was the focal point of the prosecution.” The following month, an Egyptian couple living in Southern California received a fine and prison terms, to be followed by deportation, after pleading guilty to holding a ten-year-old girl as a slave. And in January 2007, an attaché of the Kuwaiti embassy in Washington, Waleed Al Saleh, and his wife were charged with keeping three Christian domestic workers from India in slave-like conditions in al-Saleh’s Virginia home. One of the women remarked: “I believed that I had no choice but to continue working for them even though they beat me and treated me worse than a slave.”

http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=27440
9859  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Sharia 101 on: November 04, 2010, 02:28:52 AM
**Sharia law as part of the marriage contract allows the husband to physically punish his wife and have sex with her as he wishes, regardless her wishes. Should US courts enforce this contract?**
http://blog.heritage.org/2010/09/02/the-real-impact-of-sharia-law-in-america/

The Real Impact of Sharia Law in America
Posted September 2nd, 2010 at 11:00am in Rule of Law with 30 comments Print This Post

Does Sharia law allow a husband to rape his wife, even in America? A New Jersey trial judge thought so. In a recently overturned case, a “trial judge found as a fact that defendant committed conduct that constituted a sexual assault” but did not hold the defendant liable because the defendant believed he was exercising his rights over the victim. Fortunately, a New Jersey appellate court reversed the trial judge. But make no mistake about it: this is no isolated incident. We will see more cases here in the United States where others attempt to impose Sharia law, under the guise of First Amendment protections, as a defense against crimes and other civil violations.

In S.D. v. M.J.R., the plaintiff, a Moroccan Muslim woman, lived with her Moroccan Muslim husband in New Jersey. She was repeatedly beaten and raped by her husband over the course of several weeks. While the plaintiff was being treated for her injuries at a hospital, a police detective interviewed her and took photographs of her injuries. Those photographs depicted injuries to plaintiff’s breasts, thighs and arm, bruised lips, eyes and right check. Further investigation established there were blood stains on the pillow and sheets of plaintiff’s bed.
The wife sought a permanent restraining order, and a New Jersey trial judge held a hearing in order to decide whether to issue the order. Evidence at trial established, among other things, that the husband told his wife, “You must do whatever I tell you to do. I want to hurt your flesh” and “this is according to our religion. You are my wife, I c[an] do anything to you.” The police detective testified about her findings, and some of the photographs were entered into evidence.

The defendant’s Imam testified that a wife must comply with her husband’s sexual demands and he refused to answer whether, under Islamic law, a husband must stop his sexual advances on his wife if she says “no.”

The trial judge found that most of the criminal acts were indeed proved, but nonetheless denied the permanent retraining order. This judge held that the defendant could not be held responsible for the violent sexual assaults of his wife because he did not have the specific intent to sexually assault his wife, and because his actions were “consistent with his [religious] practices.” In other words, the judge refused to issue the permanent restraining order because under Sharia law, this Muslim husband had a “right” to rape his wife.

Besides the fact that the ruling is wrong as a legal matter, and offensive beyond words, it goes to the heart of the controversy about the insidious spread of Sharia law—the goal of radical Islamic extremists. Fortunately, the New Jersey appellate court refused to tolerate the trial judge’s “mistaken” and unsustainable decision. The appellate court chastised the trial judge’s ruling, holding among other things that he held an “unnecessarily dismissive view of defendant’s acts of domestic violence,” and that his views of the facts in the case “may have been colored by his perception that…they were culturally acceptable and thus not actionable – -a view we soundly reject.” Although appellate courts typically defer to findings of fact by trial judges, under the circumstances, this appellate court correctly refused to do so, and reversed the trial court and ordered the permanent restraining order to issue.

The truth is that imposition of Sharia law in the United States, especially when mixed with a perverted sense of political correctness, poses a danger to civil society. Just last year, a Muslim man in Buffalo, New York beheaded his wife in what appeared to be an honor killing, again using his faith to justify his actions. It is doubtful that the domestic violence and rape in this recently overturned case will be the last Americans see of Sharia being impermissibly used to justify brutal acts on our soil. As former Assistant Secretary of Defense Frank Gaffney wrote recently:

Sharia is no less toxic when it comes to the sorts of democratic government and civil liberties guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution. According to this legal code of Saudi Arabia and Iran, only Allah can make laws, and only a theocrat can properly administer them, ultimately on a global basis.

The trial opinion in this case shows that, indeed, the global reach of Sharia law is expanding. The trial court allowed the testimony of an Imam to be entered so that his account of Sharia’s standards could supercede the standards set by the New Jersey legislature. This is not just about cultural defenses, which by themselves are not proper under United States law, but about giving up control of the law to a religious code citizens of this country have no control over, a theocratic code world famous for its antidemocratic, sexist nature and its human rights abuses.

So-called “cultural defenses” have existed in other contexts for a long while and, for the most part, such defenses have been rejected. As a domestic violence prosecutor in San Diego, I ran across a case where the accused was charged with assault for punching his girlfriend, and the defense wanted to introduce an expert in Latin cultures. The expert was to testify that in Latin culture, it is acceptable for a man to strike “his woman” as punishment as long as it doesn’t cause serious lasting injury. This was rejected outright by the court, as it should have been. These attempts are not uncommon, but the cultural relativism they espouse is different than the more dangerous trend here.

In S.D. v. M.J.R., the husband’s defense for sexually assaulting his wife was not just another attempt to erode the protection of our own social mores. The specific threat that comes from attempting to establish Sharia law in the United States is that justification for doing so has been couched in the protections of the First Amendment. As noted by the appeals court in its decision overturning what amounted to the replacement of New Jersey’s rape law with Sharia, “the judge determined to except [the] defendant from the operation of the State’s statutes as the result of his religious beliefs.” Doing so was contrary to several Supreme Court decisions, which hold that an individual’s responsibility to obey generally applicable law—particularly those that regulate socially harmful conduct—cannot be made contingent up on his or her religious beliefs.

The U.S. Constitution cannot and should not be used to subvert legislatures and allow brutes such as the husband in this case to harm others simply because their actions are legal under Sharia law. It was impermissible for the trial court to act as it did in this case, and the appellate judges very correctly overturned the ruling below. This is not the last we will hear of such attempts, however, as Sharia-loving extremists are determined to establish an Islamic Caliphate around the world, especially in America. As Andy McCarthy has written, “Our enemies are those who want Sharia to supplant American law and Western culture.” We cannot allow that to happen.

9860  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Sharia 101 on: November 04, 2010, 12:21:49 AM
It's not a law, it's an amendment to Oklahoma's constitution. Do you understand the difference? I think not.
9861  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Sharia 101 on: November 03, 2010, 11:40:06 PM

H.RES.372 -- Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that judicial determinations regarding the meaning of the Constitution of the United States should not be based on judgments, laws,... (Introduced in House - IH)

HRES 372 IH

110th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. RES. 372

Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that judicial determinations regarding the meaning of the Constitution of the United States should not be based on judgments, laws, or pronouncements of foreign institutions unless such foreign judgments, laws, or pronouncements inform an understanding of the original meaning of the Constitution of the United States.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

May 3, 2007

Mr. FEENEY (for himself, Mr. GOODLATTE, Mr. SESSIONS, Mr. JONES of North Carolina, Mr. HERGER, Mr. PENCE, Mr. KING of Iowa, Mr. DOOLITTLE, Mr. SAM JOHNSON of Texas, Mr. ISSA, Mr. FRANKS of Arizona, Mr. GARRETT of New Jersey, Ms. FOXX, Mrs. MYRICK, Mr. BISHOP of Utah, Mr. CONAWAY, Mr. PAUL, Mrs. MUSGRAVE, Ms. FALLIN, Mr. CAMPBELL of California, Mr. AKIN, Mr. GOHMERT, Mr. LAMBORN, Mr. MILLER of Florida, Mr. CHABOT, Mr. FORBES, Mr. CANNON, Mrs. BLACKBURN, Mrs. JO ANN DAVIS of Virginia, Mr. WESTMORELAND, Ms. GINNY BROWN-WAITE of Florida, Mr. SMITH of Texas, Mr. SENSENBRENNER, Mr. BOOZMAN, Mr. TERRY, Mr. WILSON of South Carolina, Mr. CANTOR, Mr. FORTUN.AE6O, Mr. MACK, Mr. BLUNT, Mr. SULLIVAN, Mr. GALLEGLY, Mr. GOODE, Mr. TIAHRT, Mr. PITTS, Mr. WELDON of Florida, Mr. CARTER, Mr. POE, and Mr. INGLIS of South Carolina) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

RESOLUTION

Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that judicial determinations regarding the meaning of the Constitution of the United States should not be based on judgments, laws, or pronouncements of foreign institutions unless such foreign judgments, laws, or pronouncements inform an understanding of the original meaning of the Constitution of the United States.

Whereas the Declaration of Independence announced that one of the chief causes of the American Revolution was that King George had `combined to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution and unacknowledged by our laws';

Whereas the Supreme Court has recently relied on the judgments, laws, or pronouncements of foreign institutions to support its interpretations of the laws of the United States, most recently in Lawrence v. Texas, 123 S.Ct. 2472, 2474 (2003);

Whereas the Supreme Court has stated previously in Printz v. United States, 521 U.S. 898, 921 n.11 (1997), that `We think such comparative analysis inappropriate to the task of interpreting a constitution . . .';

Whereas Americans' ability to live their lives within clear legal boundaries is the foundation of the rule of law, and essential to freedom;

Whereas it is the appropriate judicial role to faithfully interpret the expression of the popular will through the Constitution and laws enacted by duly elected representatives of the American people and our system of checks and balances;

Whereas Americans should not have to look for guidance on how to live their lives from the often contradictory decisions of any of hundreds of other foreign organizations; and

Whereas inappropriate judicial reliance on foreign judgments, laws, or pronouncments threatens the sovereignty of the United States, the separation of powers and the President's and the Senate's treaty-making authority: Now, therefore, be it

      Resolved, That it is the sense of the House of Representatives that judicial interpretations regarding the meaning of the Constitution of the United States should not be based in whole or in part on judgments, laws, or pronouncements of foreign institutions unless such foreign judgments, laws, or pronouncements inform an understanding of the original meaning of the Constitution of the United States.
9862  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed on: November 03, 2010, 11:20:57 PM
http://www.jerrypournelle.com/view/2010/Q4/view647.html#Wednesday

Wednesday,  November 3, 2010

Sixty Seats, nationwide.

The interesting lesson is that the "moderate" Republicans in California were repudiated. In Delaware and Nevada the country club party wing of the Republican party didn't support the conservative women, while the Democrats ran vicious personal attack campaigns. They came close in races that the Democrats considered vital. In California two liberal Republican women didn't stir up much enthusiasm, while the tea party movement was discouraged and even rejected. In Alaska it's still undecided, and won't be for a while: the Country Club Republican leadership didn't support the tea party candidate and allowed one of their ruling class to retain committee assignments. All told, it was an extraordinary election: sixty sets, and the key conservatives won in most cases; and there were informative lessons in the cases where they lost.

One lesson is that the country is appalled at what has happened in the past four years, but not ready to turn to the Republicans in a blind trust. Another is that the mechanics of party structure remain important.

Carly Fiorina ran as "a Republican willing to compromise".  She took conservative stands, but she didn't try to rally the conservatives and the tea party. California has a highly professional Democratic machine with a unionized ground game; the only way to defeat it is to turn out the Republican and Independent vote, and that didn't happen. There were local movements against Sanchez in Bob Dornan's old seat, but they weren't good enough. California is a special case, with a long established and well oiled political machine; it won't be turned around easily. The same is true of New York.

Obama is now calling for openness and compromise. We must find common ground. Hardly astonishing: now he is eager to sit down with both parties. A typical and predictable speech. He has learned nothing and forgotten nothing.

The question is, have the Republicans learned anything?

The election has given the Republic another chance, but only a chance. It's time to build on that. We can begin by thinking hard about what "building consensus" means. We know what it means to the President. We know where Carly Fiorina got by making her willingness to compromise a key part of her campaign. Does the Republican leadership?

====================

Republican tactics:

First, send an Obama-care repeal bill to the Senate. See if any Democrats will vote for it. If not, get them on record. If they will, then Obama must veto it; try to pass it over his veto. Get those who are defending it on record.

Second, refuse any appropriation for enforcing it. Append "provided that no revenues appropriated under this Act shall be used in any way for enforcement of the Health Care Act" to every appropriation for anything else; then just don't initiate or pass any appropriation for its enforcement. Again make the Democrats step up and defend their agenda.

The nation repudiated the Obama agenda last night. The Republicans need to make certain that the next election is also a referendum on that agenda.

The Tea Party needs to think hard about its candidates, understanding that every one of them is going to be subjected to vicious personal attacks designed to make them appear to be flakes or crooks or utter incompetents. The attacks will be unrelenting, and may not be based on anything factual. Candidates need to learn how to deal with la calumna as a campaign strategy. (See the Barber of Seville) and only choose candidates who can shrug that off and stay to message. That's not going to be easy.

The Tea Party can be proud. They hold the balance of power in the United States. It is no mean accomplishment.

And the Republican leadership needs to understand: the Tea Party played by the rules. They ran in primaries, and where they didn't win they still turned out to vote Republican. It is now the turn of the Country Club Republicans to learn how to play to win. The Tea Party holds the balance of power here -- and West Virginia shows there are alternatives to the Republican Party if the Country Club hasn't learned that. It's not an attractive alternative. It is better if the Republicans become a genuine center-right party.

All told it was a great night for the Republic. Not as great as I had hoped it would be, but it will have to do. It's a great start.

 
9863  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Sharia 101 on: November 03, 2010, 11:08:02 PM
STATE QUESTION NO. 755 LEGISLATIVE REFERENDUM NO. 355
This measure amends the State Constitution. It changes a section that deals with the courts of this state. It
would amend Article 7, Section 1. It makes courts rely on federal and state law when deciding cases. It
forbids courts from considering or using international law. It forbids courts from considering or using Sharia
Law.
International law is also known as the law of nations. It deals with the conduct of international organizations
and independent nations, such as countries, states and tribes. It deals with their relationship with each other.
It also deals with some of their relationships with persons.
The law of nations is formed by the general assent of civilized nations. Sources of international law also
include international agreements, as well as treaties.
Sharia Law is Islamic law. It is based on two principal sources, the Koran and the teaching of Mohammed.
SHALL THE PROPOSAL BE APPROVED? FOR THE PROPOSAL — YES
AGAINST THE PROPOSAL — NO

**Yeah, I think a state constitution can require that judges rely on federal and state law when deciding cases. You don't?**
9864  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Sharia 101 on: November 03, 2010, 10:54:16 PM
Wow. That's a very compelling legal argument you've put together.
9865  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Alert Radley Balko! on: November 03, 2010, 10:52:16 PM
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1231/p01s03-usgn.html

Meat Camp, N.C. - It is a disturbing scene that plays out all too often across the hog hollows of Appalachia. Authorities raid illicit meth labs set up in rickety trailers and mountain shacks: Using hoses, scrubs, and soap, they decontaminate children on the spot and throw away tainted blankets and teddy bears.
9866  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The War on Drugs on: November 03, 2010, 10:45:24 PM
The Libertarian answer to this?

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=709882n

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/11/national/11meth.html

ULSA, Okla., July 8 - The Laura Dester Shelter here is licensed for 38 children, but at times in the past months it has housed 90, forcing siblings to double up in cots. It is supposed to be a 24-hour stopping point between troubled homes and foster care, but with foster homes backed up, children are staying weeks and sometimes months, making it more orphanage than shelter, a cacophony of need.

Andrea Mohin/The New York Times

Pat Childres, a volunteer at the Laura Dester Shelter, cuddling two children who are awaiting placement in foster homes.

Children awaiting foster placement were fed lunch by Leslie Beyer, left, and Theresa Boyd at the Laura Dester Shelter in Tulsa, Okla.

In a rocking chair, a volunteer uses one arm to feed a 5-day-old boy taken from his mother at birth, the other to placate a toddler who is wandering from adult to adult begging, "Bottle?" A 3-year-old who arrived at dawn shrieks as salve is rubbed on her to kill the lice.

This is a problem methamphetamine has made, a scene increasingly familiar across the country as the number of foster children rises rapidly in states hit hard by the drug, the overwhelming number of them, officials say, taken from parents who were using or making methamphetamine.

Oklahoma last year became the first state to ban over-the-counter sales of cold medicines that contain the crucial ingredient needed to make methamphetamine. Even so, the number of foster children in the state is up 16 percent from a year ago. In Kentucky, the numbers are up 12 percent, or 753 children, with only seven new homes.

In Oregon, 5,515 children entered the system in 2004, up from 4,946 the year before, and officials there say the caseload would be half what it is now if the methamphetamine problem suddenly went away. In Tennessee, state officials recently began tracking the number of children brought in because of methamphetamine, and it rose to 700 in 2004 from 400 in 2003.

While foster populations in cities rose because of so-called crack babies in the 1990's, methamphetamine is mostly a rural phenomenon, and it has created virtual orphans in areas without social service networks to support them. in Muskogee, an hour's drive south of here, a group is raising money to convert an old church into a shelter because there are none.

Officials say methamphetamine's particularly potent and destructive nature and the way it is often made in the home conspire against child welfare unlike any other drug.

It has become harder to attract and keep foster parents because the children of methamphetamine arrive with so many behavioral problems; they may not get into their beds at night because they are so used to sleeping on the floor, and they may resist toilet training because they are used to wearing dirty diapers.

"We used to think, you give these kids a good home and lots of love and they'll be O.K.," said Esther Rider-Salem, the manager of Child Protective Services programs for the State of Oklahoma. "This goes above and beyond anything we've seen."

Although the methamphetamine problem has existed for years, state officials here and elsewhere say the number of foster children created by it has spiked in the last year or two as growing awareness of the drug problem has prompted more lab raids, and more citizens reporting suspected methamphetamine use.

Nationwide, the Drug Enforcement Administration says that over the last five years 15,000 children were found at laboratories where methamphetamine was made. But that number vastly understates the problem, federal officials say, because it does not include children whose parents use methamphetamine but do not make it and because it relies on state reporting, which can be spotty.

On July 5, the National Association of Counties reported that 40 percent of child welfare officials surveyed nationwide said that methamphetamine had caused a rise in the number of children removed from homes.

The percentage was far higher on the West Coast and in rural areas, where the drug has hit the hardest. Seventy-one percent of counties in California, 70 percent in Colorado and 69 percent in Minnesota reported an increase in the number of children removed from homes because of methamphetamine.
9867  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Banned in OK on: November 03, 2010, 10:14:37 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8057179.stm

The dusty streets of Kismayo in Somalia echoed to the sound of a vehicle with loudspeakers summoning residents to a new form of public "entertainment" earlier this month.

People were being invited to see a man have his hand chopped off in a public park in the city.

The young man, Mohamed Omar Ismail, had been found guilty of stealing goods from another man's house.

That afternoon, hundreds of local people flocked to Freedom Park in order to see the amputation.

After a long wait, Mr Ismail was brought out in front of the people and an official started to read out the court decision from a piece of paper.

Clothes theft

"The Islamic Sharia court of Kismayo district confirms that Mohamed Omar Ismail has been found guilty of stealing," the official announced.

"Mr Ismail stole 10 pairs of trousers, 10 shirts, eight other items and a bag. The value of all the items is estimated to be $90."

map

The official quoted a chapter from the Koran known as Surah Maida, verse 38, which is about stealing and relevant punishment.

He said that the verse decreed that punishment for stealing was that the right hand of the thief should be cut off.

A local journalist who witnessed the events unfold saw a shocked-looking Mr Ismail brought into the park.

His right hand was held up to the crowds.

It was then laid on a table and severed immediately and without ceremony at the wrist.

Bloody hand dangled

The eyewitness told of his horror as the bloody body part was dangled by its index finger in front of the crowd to prove that punishment had been meted out.

Mr Ismail is now recovering from his injury in Kismayo General Hospital, where he is being guarded by the Islamist militia who punished him.

Mohamed Omar Ismail
Mohamed Omar Ismail reportedly insists he did not commit the burglary

They do not allow him to talk to the media.

But according to an independent source, Mr Ismail insists he did not commit the burglary for which he lost his hand.

He said he was still appalled at what had happened to him and the terrible pain he had suffered.
9868  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The War on Drugs on: November 03, 2010, 09:51:00 PM


OTOH, (I've posted this before but) whenever the Court determined that growing one pot plant on your own property for your own consumption is a form of interstate commerce started a constitutional problem much larger than drug use.


Very good point. It's one thing for a state to pass a law or not, another when there is no evidence of an intent to cross state lines or national borders.
9869  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Sharia 101 on: November 03, 2010, 09:33:03 PM
**Isn't it tragic that there is no possibility of a judge being able to have a rape victim stoned to death in Oklahoma now, JDN? Those unsophisticated rubes probably wouldn't want to share a stage with Cat "Death to Salman Rushdie" Stevens either.Oh well, not everyone can be as sophisticated and tolerant as you are.**


When a young, illiterate housewife named Zafran Bibi went to the police last year, pregnant and claiming a fellow villager had raped her while she was cutting grass, she didn't expect that she'd be the one to get punished. But last month, a judge in Pakistan's ultra-conservative Northwest Frontier province convicted her of adultery. "I hereby convict and sentence the accused Zafran Bibi to stoning to death," wrote Judge Anwar Ali Khan, "and that she be stoned to death at a public place."

If Pakistan is sometimes a bizarre blend of the modern and the archaic, nowhere is the archaic more powerful than in the way the country's legal system treats women who accuse men of rape. The problem lies in the so-called Hudood ordinances, a series of Islamic decrees that are enforced in tandem with the country's secular legal system. Human rights activists say these laws blatantly discriminate against women. For a rapist to be convicted, for example, his crime has to be confirmed by four adult male Muslim eyewitnesses, or the rapist must confess. If the court rules that there was consent, the woman can be convicted of adultery. Sentences under the Hudood ordinances include amputation for theft, flogging for drinking alcohol and stoning for adultery.


Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,238673,00.html#ixzz14HCfLI5L
9870  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Fed, Monetary Policy, & the US Dollar on: November 03, 2010, 07:29:18 PM
As much as I'm not a fan of Loon Paul, I actually am happy to hear this.
9871  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Sharia 101 on: November 03, 2010, 03:11:47 PM
Gee, all these leftists suddenly can't find a dividing line between islamic theology and sharia law?

"I would like to see Oklahoma politicians explain if this means that the courts can no longer consider the Ten Commandments."

Oh really? What case or cases have cited the 10 commandments? The very same leftists would scream were the 10 commandment cited in a court case.
9872  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Promote a soldier in 2012! on: November 03, 2010, 02:56:25 PM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsOmFIX-PG0&feature=player_embedded


Someone really ready to lead on day one.
9873  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed on: November 03, 2010, 02:28:10 PM
Two Reagan-esque figures both come from Florida. Marco and West. Marco needs more seasoning, but has awesome potential, West is ready for 2012.
9874  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2010 Elections; 2012 Presidential on: November 03, 2010, 12:26:36 PM
Crafty:

He sure did!
9875  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Looks like Pence will be running for Prez 2012 on: November 03, 2010, 11:53:48 AM
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/breaking-pence-wont-seek-another-term-house-leadership_514643.html?nopager=1

THE WEEKLY STANDARD has obtained a letter from Mike Pence, who is believed to be considering a presidential or gubernatorial run, informing his colleagues that he will not seek another term as chairman of the House Republican conference. "Now that we have restored a Republican majority to the House of Representatives and I have fulfilled my commitment to the Republican Conference, my family and I have begun to look to the future," Pence writes. Full letter here:
9876  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Iran on: November 03, 2010, 11:46:48 AM
If Obama has a second term, Israel will be designated a terrorist state as an outreach to Iran.
9877  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / West-Bolton-2012! on: November 03, 2010, 11:37:13 AM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP2p91dvm6M&feature=player_embedded
9878  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: california on: November 03, 2010, 11:20:38 AM
NOT ONE PENNY of federal money to bail out California. They made their fiscal bed, they need to lie in it.
9879  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Privacy on: November 03, 2010, 10:50:59 AM
"sneak a peek" ?
9880  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Privacy on: November 03, 2010, 10:02:08 AM
It all depends on the "reasonable expectation of privacy". If something is encrypted and does not involve the transmission of the protected data to a second party, then a warrant would most likely be required to seize it as evidence. Even then, things like banking records are most likely going to require a search warrant.
9881  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / I'm sure Holder will get right on it..... on: November 03, 2010, 02:15:16 AM
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/breaking-video-soon-new-black-panthers-commit-outrageous-violations-of-texas-voting-law/

BREAKING VIDEO: New Black Panthers Commit Outrageous Violations of Texas Voting Law
They spoke with election officials inside polling places. After these discussions, white poll watchers were either denied admittance or ejected. White election judges were also removed, under threat of calling the police for trumped-up complaints.
9882  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2010 Elections; 2012 Presidential on: November 02, 2010, 07:53:19 PM
Very nice to see Grayson handed a well deserved loss.
9883  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2010 Elections; 2012 Presidential on: November 02, 2010, 07:06:20 PM
Marco Rubio wins and Charlie Crist loses. It's like a double win!
9884  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2010 Elections; 2012 Presidential on: November 02, 2010, 06:33:59 PM
Glad to see that. I'm waiting to see how Florida goes. Fingers crossed!
9885  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Privacy on: November 02, 2010, 05:28:08 PM
Okay.
9886  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / What you won't see on the MSM on: November 02, 2010, 05:22:24 PM


Remember, the tea party is violent and dangerous while dems are smart and peaceful and tolerant.
9887  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Privacy on: November 02, 2010, 05:07:41 PM
My posts clearly define the legal restrictions involved in various forms of investigation as a counterpoint to the often hysterical sloganeering on the topic.
9888  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2010 Elections; 2012 Presidential on: November 02, 2010, 05:00:03 PM
If that's true, then there will be a surge in heterosexual porn and a serious drop in homosexual site visits in the next few days.
9889  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Housing/Mortgage/Real Estate on: November 02, 2010, 04:56:30 PM
"Let it correct" does sound better.

America has developed a serious debt addiction and needs to hit bottom and sober up. The longer we delay the day of reckoning, the worse it will be.
9890  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / New Obama slogan! on: November 02, 2010, 04:02:36 PM
Well, we tried.....*shrug*
9891  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Privacy on: November 02, 2010, 03:42:52 PM
How is the US gov't pushing for total surveillance? Please cite your source.
9892  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The War on Drugs on: November 02, 2010, 03:37:17 PM
After their bogus Iraq study, I trust nothing from the Lancet.
9893  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Housing/Mortgage/Real Estate on: November 02, 2010, 03:30:58 PM
We need to let it crash. Only then can we have real pricing.
9894  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Fed Easing May Mean 20% Dollar Drop: Bill Gross on: November 02, 2010, 08:16:37 AM
http://www.cnbc.com/id/39957072

The dollar is in danger of losing 20 percent of its value over the next few years if the Federal Reserve continues unconventional monetary easing, Bill Gross, the manager of the world's largest mutual fund, said on Monday.

"Other countries and citizens are willing to work for less and willing to work harder—and we forgot the magic formula somewhere along the way," Gross said.

"I think a 20 percent decline in the dollar is possible," Gross said, adding the pace of the currency's decline was also an important consideration for investors.

"When a central bank prints trillions of dollars of checks, which is not necessarily what (a second round of quantitative easing) will do in terms of the amount, but if it gets into that territory—that is a debasement of the dollar in terms of the supply of dollars on a global basis," Gross told Reuters in an interview at his PIMCO headquarters.
9895  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Rogue on: November 01, 2010, 09:47:26 PM
One of the reasons I like Israel. The willingness to do what must be done.
9896  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / The left, smarter and better informed on: November 01, 2010, 09:20:52 PM
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/11/01/question-for-stewart-ralliers-is-obama-a-keynesian-or-was-he-born-in-america/

Just ask them.
9897  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, corruption etc. on: November 01, 2010, 06:16:45 PM
But think of the time and energy the dems could save by letting China and Iran hack the vote. No more need for the unions and Acorn.
9898  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Say hello to Bayh! on: November 01, 2010, 03:51:46 PM


Let's see if he starts raising his visibility and honing his creds as the "true centrist dem".
9899  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / U.S. home prices expected to slide another 8% on: November 01, 2010, 02:18:25 PM
U.S. home prices expected to slide another 8%

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/US-home-prices-expected-to-cnnm-28872967.html?x=0

9900  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Know what California needs? More debt on: November 01, 2010, 02:10:01 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/calstrs-pension-vote-2010-11

Bombshell Pension Vote Is About To Sink California Hundreds Of Millions Deeper Into The Red

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