in fact one of the mottos of the DB is "If you see it taught, you see it fought."

i 3rd the recommendation for the RCSF (real contact stickfighting) series. although you can get it through panther videos, i believe if you get if from this site you will be getting a better deal for the whole set.

#6 is just fights, but sometimes when training, you are swinging the sticks in the air and don't have focus or intent. after watching #6 you will know why you are swinging/training the way you are taught after watching 1-4. #5 concentrates on stickgrappling.

early on in my training, i've made a vid of just Top Dog swinging the stick, and i swing along with him. good for visualization/nlp/form to see a good 'model' of ideal form/execution. heck, i still go back to that vid from time to time and 'swing along with Eric'

edit:  if i may, you posted that your style/system has staff. the DBMA Staff dvd is excellent, not just in presentation, but also in material taught. it teaches 3 simple techniques and by chaining them together, you have a functional staff 'game'. also, there is fight footage. check it out if you want to up your staff game a notch.

not into it per se, i've read a bit back in da day on the SS stuff

edit:  some of it worked, some of it didn't for me

peregrine's post reminded me of something i heard about which is a good idea if you have the storage space:

build whatever you want onto a small wooden board, add wheels which you can "brake"/"lock" so it doesn't move - wheel it out to train, lock the wheels in place and train, when done, unlock and wheel it back into storage.

a legend and a pioneer passes on.

my sincerest condolences to his family and students.

RIP

woof Tom:

not quite what you are looking for, but i recall either TD or Guro Crafty posting on ED that either TD and/or DB or Gene LaBelle would toss the tire the length of a football field and repeat once on the other side.

is there a park or backyard you can work out of? if so, are there trees? if so, some of the branches can be used as targets, that is if you cannot hang a tire up etc.

other ways if you have your gf hold some sticks or a staff and you can hit them. tell her, well, honey, you didn't want holes in the wall

mike young has a book out on homemade equipment which iirc was a collection of columns he wrote for the mag martial arts training. you may want to check that out. one device (everyone has variations on this device) i recall is him drilling a hole in the middle of one stick and putting a rope through and hanging that. but if you don't want holes in your apartment, you will have to find an alternative. hang on a tree.

this one i got from WCK article pic - get a wok (the chinese "pot" that is used to cook everything from stir-frying to steaming) - put in a pole/pipe/etc with all kinds of things attached to pole to represent arms etc - pour cement into it to hold pole/pipe in place.

hth

gung hei fat choy to one and all!!

woof:

a slight digression if i may:

although the fights may physically start in largo, what many don't see is that the fight actually starts in the outermost range of (the 7 ranges of stickfighting in DBMA) of Snake Range. in this range it is where the fighter analyzes his opponent, move around to look for openings and test his opponent's defenses. this is an often overlooked range. you can analyze your opponent's structure, responses, preferences, etc.

to followup on the 7 ranges, starting from the outermost to the closest to the opponent:  1) snake, 2) stick squared (there may be a new term that i'm not up to speed on yet), 3) largo, 4) medio, 5) corto, 6) standing grappling/clinch, and 7) ground grappling.

with regard to the late GM Giron, he may be referring to the style Larga Mano and not the range, although that style specialized in the range of largo mano

just to be crystal clear and not have you hurt yourself - don't force yourself to throw the heavy bag, i meant put a gi on it to practice your chokes on ground and to practice throws by learning where to grip and go through the motion of throwing but not actually throwing the bag

good luck

http://stickgrappler.tripod.com/ug/basketball.html
http://stickgrappler.tripod.com/ug/basketball2.html
http://stickgrappler.tripod.com/ug/basketball3.html
http://stickgrappler.tripod.com/ug/basketball4.html
http://stickgrappler.tripod.com/ug/mgwall1.html
http://stickgrappler.tripod.com/bjj/fbdrills.html


you can build a grappling dummy and practice on it

put a gi on the dummy or a heavy bag and practice on it either throwing or on ground

etc.

those should get you started and you should be able to come up with some on your own.

good luck in your training and HTH

woof ponytots:



there are some solo drills you can do which involves a lot of visualization on your part. i forget the exact story, but wrestling legend and coach, dan gable, recounted about the hours and hours of his solo 'shadow wrestling' (think shadowboxing, but wrestling). one of the shadow wrestling drills you can do involves shooting on a heavy bag.

from bjj, there's 'shrimping' drills, etc which in itself are not grappling drills per se, but components of aspects of the overall bjj game. check my site if you haven't already, i don't have the time to track down the link for you yet, when i do, i will post, but look for m.g's wall drills which he posted. look also for the http://basketball drill.

check either my bjj page or my unofficial underground forum archives page.

IIRC, frank benn may have posted some solo drills too. check either frank benn page or bjj page.

http://stickgrappler.tripod.com

good luck in your training.

changed jobs/industries 3x since i started my site, married with 3 kids, lately i've been busy with work to update my site haven't been to you site in ages, nice look to it!



yes, i consider myself very lucky to have had the opportunity to train with a living legend of the MA. i was more lucky to have been given the "day off" from my family to be able to go LOL. i have not had the chance to attend many seminars, probably 10 so far since 1999, and 3 of them were Dr. Gyi's. i treasure my memories of training with him and of the material he shared.



you are lucky! after the seminars were over, we would all sit and listen, ask about anything and he was very sharing of his time, knowledge and experiences.



*crosses fingers, toes, hands, arms, and legs*

Moebius,

not sure if you remember me, but it's been a loooong time since the days of Sean M's forum, and Dave G's, with Kev, Vedo and a few others.

thank you for the info!! my first letha yoga seminar with Dr. Gyi was in 1999 and since then, there's always have been talk of him doing a book. hope he finishes it soon

woof:

your english is fine. welcome aboard!

not sure if you have seen these before, but for some DB photo technique sequences:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Pantheon/5640/

click on "Photos and Diagrams"

enjoy!

i recall many yrs ago, my first time reading/hearing about the MS is when Ajarn Salty Dog posted a text picture of the MS to Eskrima Digest. i have to check at home to see if i still have it saved - it was cool.

http://www.usmta.com/images/Mai_Sawk_Plong.jpg



i had a space after the images/

woof:

i'm not Marc Scott, but they are like tonfa that are strapped to arms - from my limited understanding, they can also slide off and be used to hit with. watch out for those killer elbows

here's one pic:

http://www.usmta.com/images/Mai_Sawk_Plong.jpg

the fighter on the left has them.

edit:  fixed link to pic

excellent! although my training partner and i used a cc to order

woof:

*bows deeply*

welcome aboard!    

thank you! i just feel bad that i've not updated it in like 3 yrs. some great MA info from all over.  busier at work and in the, as they say in DBMA, Family Man stage of life, too busy to work on my site as well as surf the MA forums.

woof:

welcome to the forum

i'm not Guro Crafty, but i'm pretty sure part of the Staff system in DBMA is based on GT Gaje's teachings.

fyi:  in the staff dvd preview, you will see GT Gaje and Guro Crafty's trip to the PI to train the staff.

cool! thank you. if memory serves and Guro Crafty can confirm, the footage in the real contact stickfighting series was of the Donga?

cool! thank you. i did not have a lot of the other CMA and JMA styles linked. lots of dl'ing to do

following up on the Staff from around the world thread, here are some Stick/Cane url's of manuals/techniques etc


Japanese Martial Arts

Yerkow's Stick Play chapter from his judo book

gojushorei.com -cane techniques

gojushorei.com - cane article

gojushorei.com - cane article

cane technique #1 from Goshin Ryu Wabujitsu.com

cane technique #2 from Goshin Ryu Wabujitsu.com



Korean Martial Arts

Canemasters - check their techniques section

Bill 'Superfoot' Wallace's site - cane

preview of Marc Tedeschi's huge book - cane

5 techniques provided by Master J.R. West at Hapkido.com linked here

www.itatkd.com cane technique

www.itatkd.com cane article





Western Martial Arts

The "Walking Stick" Method of Self Defense written by Mr. H.G. Lang who was a British Officer of the Indian Police. It was written in 1923.

Irish Stick Fighting

The Great Stick A chapter on the great stick based on the French 'Le Baton" and the Italian "Baston" from ?Cold Steel? ? by Alfred Hutton 1889


The Stick Fighting Method of Pierre Vigny
 
barton-wright part 1

barton-wright part 2

Italian Stick Fencing By Gianluca Zanini essay

Self-Defence With A Cane By Justin Bonnafous A small article written in England during the early 1900s covering the combative use of the cane.

www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Pagoda/8187/Canne.htm




World War II/Military

the first 2 links work so far from gutterfighting.org




Miscellaneous

The Beginner's Guide to Using the Cane by Don Rearic





sorry, i don't have more time to post tonight, wanted to get the ball rolling, will have more tomorrow. also, i had some of Ralph Grasso's posts and photo scenario progressions (PSP) archived on my site, alas, i violated some TOS and that part of the site was taken down when i have time, i will work on my site again and add those.






DB Forum's Staff from around the world thread

cool - thank you for the link Pretty Kitty


this is cool -

http://www.griffinmartialarts.com/images/Misc/DogBrothers.JPG





i attended Guro Crafty's staff seminar hosted by Raw Dog and Guro Crafty forgot to bring the certificates lol

when i used to have time to read Eskrima Digest, i recall Tom Meadow's posts on his experiences fighting Top Dog. i cannot wait to check out this book once excess cash is available.

i'm sure some of the forum members have seen these links before here and there. at Guro Crafty's suggestion, i will consolidate the links onto this thread. if anyone has any links not posted here, please feel free to add (i'm sure Sun Helmet and Spaddachino can add to this thread easily . without further ado:

Western Quarterstaff

George Silver's Paradoxes of Defence, 1598

Brief Instructions Upon My Paradoxes of Defence by George Silver

Schoole of the Noble and Worthy Science of Defence by Joseph Swetnam's 1617 Part 1 (towards bottom of the webpage is the Staff section)

Schoole of the Noble and Worthy Science of Defence by Joseph Swetnam's 1617 Part 2(first third of the webpage relates to staff)

(HTML)English Master of Defence OR, The Gentleman's Al-a-mode Accomplish By Zach Wylde, 1711

(PDF)English Master of Defence OR, The Gentleman's Al-a-mode Accomplish By Zach Wylde, 1711

Broadsword and Singlestick - with Chapters on Quarter-staff, Bayonet, Cudgel, Shillalah, Walking Stick, Umbrella and other Weapons of Self Defence.", Allanson-Winn, R.G. and C. Phillipps-Wolley, London : George Bell & Sons. 1st edition, 1898.

QUARTER-STAFF:  A PRACTICAL MANUAL BY THOMAS A. McCARTHY

A Brief History of the Quarterstaff by Frank Docherty

Frank Docherty interview

The Manly Art of Quarter-Staff Origins of a Victorian Combat Sport By Tony Wolf



Chinese Martial Arts

Luk Dim Boon Kwun (Yip Man)

Luk Dim Boon Kwun (Sum Nung)

The Weapons of Wing Chun Kuen By Robert Chu & Rene Ritchie (First published in Inside Kung-Fu, 99/07)

Weapons of Wing Chun Kung Fu by Curt James - Black Belt article

The Flying Dragon Tiger Gate System By Robert Chu (First published in Exotic Martial Arts of South East Asia, Spring 1999)

William Cheung - Weapons Training

San Kam's Pole Dummy Spread Through the Red Junk Historical Articles by Various - 'Translated' from 'I Am Mountain Man'

Luk Dim Boon Kwun (Jee Shim)

Wing Chun Dragon Pole Training-Got Power?, By Daniel O'Neill

GARY LAM WING CHUN KUNG FU - pole photos

Choy Li Fut Plum Blossom Spear and Staff Article by Grandmaster Doc-Fai Wong INSIDE KUNG-FU MAGAZINE March 2003 Issue

Choy Li Fut Spear Column by Grandmaster Doc-Fai Wong INSIDE KUNG-FU MAGAZINE March 2002 Issue

Choy Li Fut Staff Column by Grandmaster Doc-Fai Wong INSIDE KUNG-FU MAGAZINE January 2002 Issue

The Flying Phoenix Kick By Stefan Verstappen Originally published in Inside Kung Fu Magazine April '01



Filipino Martial Arts

Dog Brothers Staff DVD preview

The Art Of Malayu Sibat by Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje Jr.




there are loads more on the filipino/western/chinese/japanese/korean/brazilian (jogo du pau)/indian (silambim, Kalarippayattu, etc)/Canary Islands (there's even a thread in this forum on this as well as EJMAS)/etc. ..... for now, i will stop here, when i have time i will put up more. hope others will add to this thread. my predominant interest in staff is FMA (haven't found much in the past) and CMA and recently checking out the WMA, but again, the staff is probably one of the oldest weapons if not THE oldest.


i end this post with some sayings in the CMA, it is said that "the staff is the father of all weapons and the spear, the king of all weapons." and in WCK, it is said, "Gwun mo leung heung" (Pole does not make 2 sounds).






DB Forum's Stick/Cane from around the world thread

woof Guro Crafty,

am tied up with work for a bit. i will make a new thread as you suggested.

...after finishing reading Guro Crafty's article on Kali Tudo in the new black belt, i flipped through the mag. what caught my eye was that Tom 'The Whip' Meadows has a book out on the whip with paladin press book...

ack! just spent money on the DB staff dvd and Los triques, and on my must-get books list is mark hewitt's catchwrestling book. now, i gotta add tom meadows' book.

for those that don't know, the fighter with the whip in real contact stickfighting v6 was tom meadows. anyone see/get this book yet?

butchering what Bruce Lee said, but basically we only have 2 arms and 2 legs and they have a finite amount of motion angles due to our body structure. so no surprise if techniques look similar. you learned aikijo first, therefore, DB staff looks like that to you. ask someone else and they say, i see some kobudo in it if say they were a kobudo student. etc. so no surprise we apply new experiences through our lenses and based on our previous experience interpret from that previous experience's viewpoint.




there are loads of online manuals relating to staff and walking canes. if you need, i will go through my favorites and find them for you should you need (or any others). i'm sure you have seen ken pfenger's (sp?) bata site.

whoa! i did not know Surf Dog had a vid.

the first set of DB vids are geared towards solo training except for #6 (fights), #5 (stickgrappling) and half of #4 (thrusts, punyos) but overall, this is an excellent set to work off of, i made a one hr workout "swing along with Top Dog" vid and used to work out to that.

another set i like is the late PG Edgar Sulite's Lameco vids - i forget the exact names, but he has a 2 vid set on single stick, double stick, and 1 on stick and knife. they are published by Unique.

there are loads more, but those are the ones i really like and recommend to anyone.

the clip looks awesome, i cannot wait to see this.

my training partner and i are going half and half on this and he will be placing the order soon WOOHOO!

a belated welcome aboard theMachine23 - i've seen that nick from somewhere before

woof:



please let me be the first to welcome you aboard greeting you from hazy, hot, and humid nyc for the past few days, today, luckily it has cooled off and less humidity.



always wanted to check out aiki-jo.



did you check out Stav? not trying to troll or stir $hit, but from what i've heard of Stav, it's runes mixed in with some jodo. of course, i read that off the internet, so it must be true, right? seriously, this was not from first-hand experience, just what i heard from friends.

again, welcome aboard and enjoy the ride

*salivates*



ACK! Saving up for it NOW!!

sorry for delay in reply - real life takes precedence sometimes. not sure if you will see my post.

a friend of mine is one of Phil Dunlap's students, Ken Andes. he is an instructor under Dong Cuestra of Doce Pares. not sure if Ken is still teaching, but next time you are at Phil's, if you haven't met Ken yet, ask for him, he's a cool guy.

cool metis!

as for the book, reposting a link to free online edition from above - nothing beats like having a real book in your hands, but if yuo want to check it out before buying, check the link

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here's a link to the free online edition of Prof Alter's The Wrestler's Body - a book on Indian Wrestling.

http://ark.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/ft6n39p104

reviews are coming back and i reposted one by someone the FMA community recognizes. there is a Robert W. Smith review forthcoming, although not know for FMA, within the MA circles, Smith is well-known.

Written by Vincent Giordano for Jake Shannon's Scientific Wrestling newsletter:

The Physical Body: Indian Wrestling and Physical Culture by Vincent Giordano

The genesis and creation of The Physical Body project is rather simple. While doing research for my forthcoming book The Vanishing Flame: The Bare Knuckle Fighting Arts of India, Cambodia, Burma, Thailand and Laos, the workout regimens of the bare knuckle fighters overlapped those of the Indian wrestlers.

I was given a tremendous amount of access to the wrestlers and decided as I do with most of my work to begin detailing their physical regimens. It's vital to those who really want to understand many of these arts to actually see them conducted in their environment by current and active players.

Already familiar with the majority of the exercises from my own personal workouts with Indian wrestlers and from the massive library of books, ancient documents and articles I had amassed over the years, I learned there was still more to it than I had thought. There were subtle variations to each exercise as would be expected from the many Gurus who run their own Akharas or wrestling gymnasiums, teaching their own variations and unique contributions to their students.

What I found most enjoyable was watching the different speeds the wrestlers worked at. One variation of the Hindu squat might be fast and explosive, another steady almost meditative. I grew fond of the intermediary exercise I called the Hindu squat thrust which combines the Hindu squat and Hindu push up into one action which mirrors a brother action in Surya Namaskar or sun salutation.

Many people have claimed the wrestlers damaged their bodies and were in poor health later in life. From my own research, and one part of my own personal interest and that of my research, is health maintenance and restoration. One can see clearly that all exercises are built from the ground up. When asked to learn the Jori, I was given very lightweights to begin practicing the action. In time, as my strength grew, the weight and size of the Jori would grow in accordance with my development. The circular actions were beneficial I found on the joints and the use of massage, an integral ingredient to almost all Indian martial arts, indispensable for maintaining overall health.

We see similar claims in Thailand, but again the body is built slowly over time to acclimate to the task at hand. Many foreigners to these exercises just assume they should do hundreds and hundreds of reps blind. Skill is developed in increments and over time. Many of the old masters I trained with lived well into their eighties and beyond and were active to the very last days of their lives. From my own research, there were those who suffered debilitating injuries from their training and fighting careers as too in Burmese Boxing, Thai Boxing and the rest but a lot of the injuries I saw too were preventable with proper medical care.

I saw several men with cataracts which went untreated, broken bones which were not set or healed properly, improper dental care, high blood pressure to name a few. The factors went beyond the normal wear and tear of a fight career. There were those also who just didn't take care of themselves as well or continued to fight well beyond the point of their own well-being.

I decided to show many of these exercises and link them to the larger physical culture arena in India to show the greater picture. True it is only a small fragment, one at least gets an inside glimpse into the true world without any hype or hyperbole. The majority of the footage was shot as a sketchbook with interviews and training sessions looped together like a crazy quilt. I usually keep written notebooks and what I call visual notebooks for everything I do. Sometimes the visual is essential for remembering or recreating what has gone on especially as time erodes the memory of it.

Upon seeing the footage, I was asked by a prominent writer/researcher, wrestler and referee if I could record more of the exercises especially those of the Jori and Gada swinging. His help was immeasurable to me so I agreed to continue filming as a token of gratitude to him and all he had done for my research projects.

The work on this particular project focuses on the physical training, mostly on the overall regimens isolated out by akharas and a single wrestlers routine. There is a greater story to tell that clearly stretches beyond the physical. I have found that there is just a fathomless fountain of knowledge still waiting to be discovered within India.

My training and research continues to go on and in future writing and DVDs I will hope to explore and share it with everyone.

fyi, for those that don't know who Phil is, he's the lineage holder of Kachin Bando. similar to Dr. Gyi's Bando in some ways but Phil only teaches the Kachin styles.

Phil teaches in Mahwah, NJ (northern NJ) and his site is:

http://www.thaing.net

i went to 3 of Phil's seminar and he is a good teacher showing how things are done in Kachin bando.


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here's a link to the free online edition of Prof Alter's The Wrestler's Body  - a book on Indian Wrestling.

http://ark.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/ft6n39p104

DOH! *caveman's self for being too busy with work to check forum to see this thread and missing out on an opportunity to train with Guro Crafty*





however, a big congrats on making Budo's HOF!!!

Indo-Pakistan Greco-Roman connection


i thought i had more Indian wrestling related threads archived on my site - for now, i've not found more.

some of my links are dead like Black Belt's article on Gama. will have to find it.

as i find more of the related threads (if there are any more) on my site, i will put up links

NOTE:  Guro Crafty - if this is inappropriate, pls forgive me and pls delete this thread.

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reposting from http://www.mma.tv -          http://216.235.242.58/TUF/index.cfm?ac=ListMessages&PID=1&TID=603162&FID=1&pc=147


my friend, and also Guro Crafty, Ajarn Salty and Top Dog's friend, pahuyuth is selling a dvd to finance his trips to SE Asia for research to finish up his upcoming books/dvds/articles on the SE Asian bareknuckle arts as well as Thai Krabi Krabong and other SE Asian arts/


From: pahuyuth1  
Date: 05/17/05 11:00 AM 11 AM  

My newest DVD The Physical Body: Indian Wrestling and Physical Culture is out today. The DVD focuses on the training regimens and routines of the indian wrestlers and the diverse scope of physical culture in india. As we know alot of this material formed the basis or inspiration for Karl Gotch's tremendous conditioning routines, combat conditioning and many other popular training regimens around today. The DVD offers alot of variations on the exercises from the hindu squats, hindu pushups as well as the hindu squat thrusts and everything from the gada,jori, nal, gar nal, sumtola to the unique Mallakhamb or wrestlers pillar. The DVD is set with several different chapters from showing the new ways of training in contrast to the older more ancient way in some of the top wrestling gyms in India to bonus footage and a stills gallery.

Proceeds from the DVD go toward completing the research for my forthcoming book and translating alot of the older texts I acquired over the time traveling and training.

The on line webpage has full details on the dvd, price/order info and a quicktime preview:

http://www.customflix.com/207195 or you can order by calling toll free at: 1 888 232-0439

Paypal, you can order through: NYCAinfo@aol.com (until MAY 24)

The DVD is $34.95 and runs 60 minutes

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For mma.tv members, and especially the few that emailed and needed more time: I can extend the paypal purchase until May 31st, the cost is $34.95 including postage to anywhere in the US or abroad included. Paypal: NYCAinfo@aol.com or you can email me at blackdiamondcobra@yahoo.com for further info. My travel plans were pushed back a bit so I will have a little breathing room. this is for a pay pal purchase only....

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Here are interesting threads for those interested in the future of indian wrestling and where it is going:

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_739575.html? menu=news.latestheadlines

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/mp/2003/06/23/stories/2003062302080300.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3808647.stm

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Another recent review:

" This DVD is tremendous. Anyone interested in martial arts, history, wrestling, physical culture, old or new must have this in their viewing library. This is truly an original documentary. To my knowledge, material like this exists nowhere else. I have done years of research on wrestling only to find a handful of books written in English covering the subject of Kushti or Indian Wrestling. I have also been a practitioner of heavy club swinging for close to a decade. This grew out of my interest in the strong men of India and wrestlers of old. This DVD shows all methods of traditional club or Jori swinging with both small and gigantic clubs. Today there seems to be a revival of Indian club swinging. The DVD shows a few methods of the ancient practice in its original form. I believe the Gada (Mace) exercises on the DVD will soon be copied by many after viewing your DVD. I constructed a Gada many years ago out of a bowling ball with a four foot piece of pipe. What a workout for anyone wanting to improve grip and core strength. There are exercises demonstrated that are both old and new that make this DVD priceless. Those that are fans of Karl Gotch, the Catch Wrestler and his traditional forms of exercise will see where they originated from. There is so much information and many exhibitions of students performing exercises with Apparatus such as the Wrestler's pillar or Malla-kamb and rope Malla-kamb. The book that is best known for demonstrating these pieces of equipment is of course the Encyclopedia of Indian Physical Culture. This book only gives us photos and a brief explanation of how these exercises may have been practiced. The Physical Body DVD leaves nothing to the imagination on how these routines were actually carried out and performed. I loved the sections on Wrestling throws and takedowns being demonstrated in different Ashrams or Gymnasiums. Another section of interest to many may be how the earthen pits are dug and prepared for daily wrestling practice and exercise. There were many examples on how to perform exercises that I had never seen before. This DVD gives us historical commentary, examples of traditional exercise, and wrestling demonstrations. Thanks for sharing this excellent piece of work."

Richard "Army" Maguire, Author of the forthcoming ?Invincible Iron Palm?

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edit:  The direct link to the webpage is now open::

http://www.thephysicalbody.com








edit2:  fixed bad link

i cross-posted this on another forum and was reminded of Tom Bisio's CMA lineage:



there are those who believe in chi and those who don't. Hei/Chi/Qi is a big part of chinese medicine. luckily for people who don't believe in Chi, they don't need to believe in it for cures to work

woof Guro Crafty:

i will look into joining DBMAA

besides the SIW, my other interest is in the staff. looking forward to the material.

anyone read it yet? i just started. so far so good.

A TOOTH FROM THE TIGER'S MOUTH:  How to Treat Your Injuries with Powerful Healing Secrets of the Great Chinese Warriors

http://www.tombisio.com/publications.htm

i'm sure you know Tom Bisio's background in MA, if not, he is well known in Pekiti Tirsia/FMA circles - one of the top, if not the top, student of Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje Jr. he taught Eric "Top Dog" Knaus for a time. but since then he has been into the Chinese internal MA and the healing aspects of Chinese medicine. this book is about the healing aspects of Chinese medicine.

i was flipping through it in the bookstore, i know of Tom Bisio's rep and of him being legit, i bought it on the spot. i was skimming through it on train ride home and i noticed the western RICE approach and his comments on it from a Chinese medicine/Chinese sports medicine approach and how they differ. i look forward to reading the rest of this book, i know it will be good and most importantly, useful.

edit:  took out the html, forgot this forum is BBCode