this is a great video! it's always inspiring to see the elders/manongs of the art you are practicing. to see angel cabales or john lacoste move at their age is inspiring. if i was 1/10th as good as them at their mature age now, i would be happy.

woof all:

been busy with real life, happened to have some time today and surf on by to one of my fave sites on the net.

lo and behold, i see something i'm interesting in and being in the Family Man stage of life, i cannot devote time and money for the travel to this camp

so my next option is to post a q on this thread and ask any chance of a video?

edit:  living in nyc, i love the idea of the SIW, i carry several pens on me and it's great from many viewpts (what if you lose your pen? no sweat.; officer i was frantic and i had my hands in my pocket and grabbed a pen, it's a pen, not a knife, not a gun; ...)

i wrote that a week before 9/11/04, but did not get a chance to post it here.

I will always remember I woke up that day running late, something did not feel right?
I will always remember the E train to the World Trade Center was slow as heck?
I will always remember getting off the E train and as I go to exit at the turnstyle, a mob of people were running at me from the mall yelling, "Bomb!"?
I will always remember that this cannot be happening?
I will always remember that this is not real?

I will always remember being swept with the mob being forced to exit onto Vesey Street, right next to the post office on Chambers Street?
I will always remember the tiny staircase up to the street being very narrow and barely fitting two people abreast?
I will always remember wondering why people were so slow at the top of the staircase?
I will always remember as I get to the top of the staircase exiting onto Vesey Street seeing a big f*cking, gaping black hole in the side of World Trade Center One?
I will always remember seeing the big f*cking, gaping black hole in the side of WTC One on fire?
I will always remember the dodging the falling debris as I try to cross the street to go to One Liberty Plaza?
I will always remember the chaos with the the firemen, policemen, and EMT's in the area?
I will always remember people sobbing and crying?
I will always remember people standing in a state of shock during the surrealness of the whole scene?
I will always remember that this cannot be happening?
I will always remember that this is not real?

I will always remember making it to my building safely and finding other co-workers?
I will always remember my co-workers telling me they were all scared and had to evacuate?
I will always remember one of my coworkers was pregnant at the time and had to climb down 16 flights of stairs scared witless and worrying for her baby's safety?
I will always remember talking to one of my coworkers and wondering what to do?
I will always remember as I talk to him, he flinches and cringes?
I will always remember asking him what happened and he said he thought he saw some people jump?
I will always remember that this cannot be happening?
I will always remember that this is not real?

I will always remember a mob of people running and shouting at us forcing us to go inside of One Liberty Plaza?
I will always remember that this cannot be happening?
I will always remember that this is not real?
I will always remember that the glass cracked all around as I felt what was like a small earthquake?
I will always remember finding out that the people saw a plane heading into World Trade Center Two and running away?
I will always remember what I thought was a small earthquake resulting in cracked glass was the 2nd plane hitting?
I will always remember that this cannot be happening?
I will always remember that this is not real?

I will always remember at that point to vacate the area immediately?
I will always remember thinking I hope my wife is safe in Brooklyn, right over the Brooklyn Bridge?
I will always remember if I would ever see her or my kids again?
I will always remember walking over the Brooklyn Bridge, always looking back and only seeing smoke covering the WTC?
I will always remember pi$$ing in my pants thinking what if the Bridge was going to be hit next or if there was a carbomb planted already as I walked over it with thousands of other people?
I will always remember making it over the bridge and hearing the Marshals in the Federal Courts saying the WTC collapsed and thinking, "No f*cking way!"?
I will always remember that this cannot be happening?
I will always remember that this is not real?

I will always remember finding my wife and she was worried for me after seeing it all on TV?
I will always remember how fortunate my wife's coworker was able to drive us home?
I will always remember getting home just as my mother picked up my oldest daughter from pre-kindengarden with my 2nd daughter in the stroller?
I will always remember having tears roll down my face as I go to hug my oldest daughter?
I will always remember her asking, "Why are you crying, Daddy?" and I replied, "You will learn about today in school as you grow up and I will tell you then what happened."?
I will always remember the jets flying overhead continously?
I will always remember being glued to the tv in the wee hours of the morning watching the same footage over and over as my family slept and me not being able to sleep?
I will always remember the next day, my wife's best friend calls saying her brother's girlfriend called him just prior to jumping?
I will always remember that this cannot be happening?
I will always remember that this is not real?

I will always remember finally going back to work after almost a week of staying home?
I will always remember working in a sardine-packed room full of other displaced coworkers at one of our branches in their lunchroom working on laptops off of picnic tables?
I will always remember working in that same room for a year before work has gone back to some semblance of normalcy?

I will always remember that it was happening and it was all real?

I will always remember 9/11/01.

* Dedicated to the heroes, victims, and their loved ones from 9/11/01 *

woof:



i am not Guro Crafty. i was fortunate enough to attend 2 of Dr. Gyi's Letha Yoga seminars when he was in NYC. this doesn't make me qualified really to expound on letha, so take my post FWIW.

Letha is specifically partner-assisted. there are certain ranges of motion you cannot reach unless you have a partner assisting you. it helps to release toxins that are built up in the joints from training/fighting/shock to body. if you can, you should check it out. FWIW, i believe Guro Crafty believes it's so good, that he has included it in DBMA. i personally believe it helps.



forgive the advertisement:  join the DBMAA, there is a vidlesson on dhanda yoga (yoga with a staff).

HTH.

i'm firewalled from work

an excellent rambling rumination on many levels (human, psychological, etc.) that tied in together.

p.s.

RIP to the member of the extended Inosanto tribe

sincerest condolences to his family.

woof tom:

i am serious. i have a friend who wanted to ebay it, but then wanted to hang onto it for a bit longer and he was the one who told me that it's reprinted and he regretted not ebaying it earlier.

for some background info check out my site, i have archived a thread from a diff forum with people who knew Echanis personally. it's a long thread.

http://stickgrappler2.tripod.com/kma/echanis.html

woof:

tom guthrie IS talking about the "black book" - echanis had 3 books, the red (stick), the green (knife defense) and the black (knife offense). i've never seen the black book and because it was out-of-print for so long, anytime the book showed up on ebay it could fetch anywhere up to ~$150.

from my understanding from people who have the book - at the time it was the first book out on Asian knife, whereas there were already material out on Western knife. add to the mix the mystique of Echanis and possibly would be reasons why people have been wanting to check out the book.

woof Evan:

i may be wrong on this, but i thought i read/heard somewhere that the Buddhaiswan Institute closed down.

although that Institute was sponsored by the government and is the most well-known to farangs, there are other krabi krabong masters still teaching in Thailand if you search/ask around.

good luck in your search and training.

there i go again, i did not remember to log in

hey sorry, that was my post above.

woof Pretty Kitty:

Blue Swede did it originally - Hooked on a Feeling

the first time i heard it was from the movie RESERVOIR DOGS and it's available on the soundtrack.


woof Dog Russ:

ROFLOL - thx

woof bludhall

woof:

a belated New Year's greeting from me. i was off celebrating, busy with work, did not know forum was back up.

to add (in cantonese):

sun nien fai lork - literally new year happy

sun tai geen hong - literally body healthy

sum serng si sing - heart's desire is accomplished

and a whole lot more well-wishes/happy new year greetings

gung hei, gung hei

gung hei faat choi!

Woof Sun Helmet:

http://stickgrappler.tripod.com/articles/fmabox.html

also, as a note, several yrs ago, this discussion came up on the ED and someone had it scanned in (IIRC Mike Krivka or Joe Marsalek (sp?)) and has forwarded the article on request.

so it's possible that it was not lifted from you.

hello,

i have had the article archived on my site for a looong time, however, maybe some other site had the article too.

Enganyo is da man!!

answers to easy q's first:

yes, sinawali has been used at Gatherings (double sticks). one of the goals of DBMA is to be able to fight with either hand (and either foot forward as opposed to the common right hand right foot forward structures) and sinawali is good training towards that goal. in the first set of DB vids, Real Contact Stick Fighting, vol #3 teaches sinawali.

re:  disarms, i'm not familiar with the various disarms commonly practiced by balintawak types, but there are at least 5 generic disarms and Top Dog (Eric Knaus) addresses disarms in vol #4 of the RCSF. it rarely happens and there were 3 disarms the DB found most common:  the snake disarm (overhooking the stickarm) and 2 more which i forget the specifics to but essentially, your "alive hand" has control of the stickarm and your stickarm either hits down or hits up from below the stickarm for the disarm.

re: listing of masters in  the book, it will take me some time to type them all up. i will do a few at a time when i have some downtime from work.

just found out that there's a Ong Bak 2 in the works. also, read somewhere about Luc Besson acquiring all rights to Ong Bak.

here's the official site

http://www.ongbak.com

very cool!

thank you!!

just reread the Guro I interview. not the info you are looking for, but i will type up anyway as it gives you background info/context:

ES:  Could you tell us, Guro Dan, some details regarding your birthplace and your Filipino heritage.





DI:  I was born on July 24, 1936 in Stockton, California. During the 1930's, Stockton had the largest Filipino population in the United States. Far larger than the Filipino communities in Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York, Seattle, Chicago or New Orleans. As a matter of fact, it was the largest Filipino community outside of the Philippine Islands. It earned the name "Little Manila" because of the variety of Filipino regional groups that came and settle there in the 1920's and 30's. Although there are still around 30,000 Filipinos that live in the Stockton area, French Camp. Lathrop and the Mateca area, they are a vanishing breed because of the continuing move to the bigger cities and the effects of intermarriage.



(snip)

ES:  Can you tell us about your instructors in the Filipino martial arts?





DI:  I have trained with a lot of instructors. Some for a very long time while with others I have only trained for a very short time, mainly due to constraints of time and distance. In Stockton, I trained under and received instructorship from Master John Lacoste, ...

In the Los Angeles area, I continued my training under Master John Lacoste of Stockton, California. ...



pgs 262-263
the book is copyright 1993 Socorro Publications

edited:  for formatting of bold and italics

will be watching the making of soon.

woof bookworm:

did you check http://www.bakbakan.com?

i just noticed that it was a bakbakan int'l project and edited by rey galang.

IIRC, Enganyo reviewed this book. hopefully he will have the URL handy.

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quick reply now:



1. how many eskrimadors are mentioned in the book? (are there any new info on manong john lacoste in the book, as per my questions posted above?)

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32 in part 2 and in part 3 13 for a total of 45. some of the masters are interviewed and include some technique sequences. some of the masters are only pictured and identifying their style they represent.

i don't see any info on manong lacoste. i will read the guro inosanto pages when i have a chance.



2. of those, how many are from cebu specifically? and how many are bisaya (from leyte, bohol, cebu, negros, n. mindanao, etc)? what are their names?

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unfortunately i don't think the masters were broken down by location, so i would actually have to check each master. this will take time.



3. when were these masters born (the year would be sufficient)?

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IIRC, not many of the masters birthdates were given. again, this wil take time as i reread each master.



4. what did they do for a living?

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i'm pretty sure, but going off of memory, many if not all, the jobs of the masters in the book were not mentioned.

i don't think i'm much help. sorry. but give me a little time. i'll be back to you.

i watched this last night. i think this movie has been out on vcd and dvd for a few months already.

*WOW* this movie harkens back to the 80's Hong Kong action/martial arts movies. it is very evident that the star is talented. his stunts remind the viewer of a young jackie chan. the sheer energy and reckless abandon that he puts himself through as well as the other stuntmen were awesome. there did not seem to be any wirework (although a few scenes there had to have some wirework - the star literally runs on some guys who chase him), the star really runs and jumps over cars, jumps through a small hoop, cartwheels between 2 guys moving big glass panes without breaking the glass, runs and slides into a split to go underneath a truck, etc. the philosophy of filming this movie was very much in the vein of the 80's Hong Kong action movies - there seems to be an abandon of reason and care for life of the stuntmen - the movie is the most important thing. the director and/or martial arts choreographer (or stunt director) literally has the stuntmen do stunts which even i think even HK has not done in some time.

i heard some of the buzz about this movie about its bringing on authentic thai bareknuckle master for the fight sequences. although they are flashy on film (spinning and/or flying knees and elbows) it really was choreographed well and the fights had me on the edge of my seat. there was a brief fight scene in which i believe krabi krabong was used (thai weapons system). i particularly liked the staff fight. it was a 6' staff used double-ended and ended up with a baseball grip. there were the mai sowks which were huge compared to the thin ones i've seen before. the mai sowks look like tonfas.

initially i wanted to check out only the fight scenes and i'm glad i watched the whole movie. although i watched an unsubtitled, undubbed version on vcd, it was easy to understand the plot. 1 hr 44 min total running time.

a cursory google search turned up the following:

you can get it here:

http://www.ethaicd.com/show.php?pid=9599&asso=1083

alternate reviews:

http://www.nixflix.com/reviews/ongbak.htm

http://www.talkingpix.co.uk/ReviewsOng-Bak.html

woof:

i misread the post. despite the lack of death-matches or Gathering experiences, i do find that my sporadic training does make me feel Forever Young. i'm currently in the stage as identified by DBMA of Family Man. and as such, my family takes precedence over my training. however, when i talk MA or do some training, i feel Forever Young. and despite some "dead pattern training" Guro Crafty is alluding to, i get something out of it in that it makes me Forever Young.

when i was younger, i competed in 2 sports and whenever i think back to those days or talk about it, i feel Forever Young. those were my pre-Family Man "Glory Days". now my glory days as a family man are the joy as a parent of seeing my children learn and respond to what i've taught them, seeing their progress in various aspects of life, etc. it is truly a joy. although, the feeling/anchor of Forever Young in the earlier stage (i forget the DBMA term as i post this - bad dog, bad dog!) and the feeling of F.Y. as a Family Man are technically different - it does bring about the same feelings. although some may argue that being a parent, one would feel older, but that is a slightly different issue

perhaps i'm rambling, but i wanted to bring out the point, that some of us with considerably less death match/Gathering experiences do find that the training does evoke a feeling of Forever Young.

woof:

my friend i posted of is Enganyo. he beat me to it.

and Guro Crafty beat me to posting the URL to an article on Manong LaCosta's death.

i have the book with me now at work. if you have some other q's, ask away, and i'll see if the book has the info.

a big Woof!

congrats!!

i will dig up my copy tonight and see what i can find for you. i don't recall anything on Manong LaCosta.

there was an interview with Guro Inosanto.

it is inspiring for me.

very nice writing. thank you.

woof:

i don't have the URL handy or recall the correct name, but i should be able to look it up at home. there's a bookstore in san francisco which sells many Pilipino books and i've a friend in the past who told me he got some MA books from there that is not commercially availalbe elsewhere.

is there  a specific GM you had a q on or just a general research q on the GM's?

woof guest:

"one stick working both hands"

not sure i understand you. do you mean work one stick with both hands at the same time like dos manos grip (working with 28" stick or 4-6' staff) or working with a stick one hand at a time but being sure to work the complementary hand?

TIA.[/i]

woof:

just for the record, i am not a DB.

but it takes practice. different people have different ways to train and to deal with the adrenaline dump and the "fear".

woof:

glad to hear you and your GF are safe.  domestic squabbles are hard to deal with. usually the wife/GF will side with her husband/BF if they see them being beaten up despite them asking for help.

very tough situation. it could've gone done much worse for you. not sure if you were aware of how bad it could've really been. although you had the right intentions of helping someone you perceived to be in need, you do not know the whole situation. it could've been a setup or it could've been domestic violence. regardless, glad to hear you and your GF are safe.

if it was me, i would've called the police and despite me wanting to stay and help the girl, i would've left. it would not help my family for me to end up hurt. despite this sounding mean and uncaring but it's not, in today's society, sometimes it is in your best interest not to get personally/physically involved. calling the police is the best option IMO.

hmmm, i may try out the ironwood then. thx.

i wonder if i could get the stickbag for advertising also , they look great

woof:

forgive me for keeping it within the Tribe, but DB Pappy Dog makes excellent rattan sticks. i've read many, many people on the forums rave about how long his sticks last. i believe he also sells fencing masks.

in the past, i got my order processed very fast. i cannot recommend him highly enough. and i do not work for him and am not a Dog Brother.

http://www.bloodsport.com

"DON'T CLEAVE BONE WITHOUT IT."

HTH.

woof:

i would like to hear more about this if possible from any spectators, Pinoy Maynard Ancheta or Guro Crafty.

TIA.

woof guest :

from my understanding:  with the krabi krabong training of Ajarn Salty Dog, DBMA has integrated kicks with stickwork effectively. there is a vidclip of the DBMA video Krabi Krabong on the site which will show the kicks - check it out.

also, Ajarn Salty Dog recently had an article published in Black Belt regarding KK.

HTH.

woof:



from my understanding, there is only ONE pack which may consist of active and inactive members.

and like Ed, i'm not a DB. take this for what's it worth.

HTH

woof:

try http://www.packing.org for laws. also check out your state attorney general's website. they should have laws there also.

in NY, balisong's are not considered fixed or folding blades but considered like switchblades, therefore it's illegal. fixed or folding blades of 4" or less are legal.

good luck in your search.

HTH.

Woof:

i'm not Guro Crafty, but welcome aboard!

woof:

my work firewalls prevent me from accessing yahoo groups. there is a yahoo group called mande muda (or some variation of MM). you may get a good reply there.

HTH.

woof:

good luck to all fighters!

hope to hear some good stories.

woof:

welcome to the forum!

good luck in your training.

actually, i think with the dog motif, "puppy training" is apt

woof:

some common sense (you may be amazed at how many don't know it or think it's common sense) ones and some new ones for me.

thank you for sharing.

edit:  forgot to post asking what was tip #1?

woof Guro Crafty:

lol - i carry the comtech stinger as a keychain. now i may have to reconsider since it's in this report.

woof:

good q. they know of my MA interest and sometimes they see me surfing the MA forums and when they see pix of guys grappling, they do tend to think of some deviant behavior to which i say you ever watch the UFC. some of them did and immediately they understood. the others who have not seen the UFC, i just say it's like HS/college wrestling. however, ihave not dared to show them the DB gallery yet

i have brought in my photo album of MA instructors doing various stickgrappling techniques on me and show them. and they take it in stride. there's a picture of a 70+ year old GM stickchoking me and they ask he could be your grandfather, why don't you kick his butt? to which i just laugh and say, this 70+ year old GM could probably kill each and every one of us all together if locked in a room.

funny thing, they are intimidated by me thinking i'm into MA and must know how to kick their butt, even by guys who are taller and outweigh me. but predominately, they are misinformed and go by what they see in the movies. i do not bother to correct them as they would not really understand or take the time to understand. so i let them think i'm a killer MAist

woof:

like the metronome used in music, it doesn't speed up/slow down on its own. it is a steady rhythm. the feeder could internally count 1-2-3-4 (or 1-2-3 or whatever) as he feeds or could do it verbally to maintain the slow steady rhythm. at least, that is the way i train it using the metronome concept.