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401  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Year of the DOG on: January 30, 2006, 11:02:01 AM
gung hei fat choy to one and all!!
402  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Ranges observed in the fights on: January 26, 2006, 04:05:37 PM

a slight digression if i may:

although the fights may physically start in largo, what many don't see is that the fight actually starts in the outermost range of (the 7 ranges of stickfighting in DBMA) of Snake Range. in this range it is where the fighter analyzes his opponent, move around to look for openings and test his opponent's defenses. this is an often overlooked range. you can analyze your opponent's structure, responses, preferences, etc.

to followup on the 7 ranges, starting from the outermost to the closest to the opponent:  1) snake, 2) stick squared (there may be a new term that i'm not up to speed on yet), 3) largo, 4) medio, 5) corto, 6) standing grappling/clinch, and 7) ground grappling.

with regard to the late GM Giron, he may be referring to the style Larga Mano and not the range, although that style specialized in the range of largo mano smiley
403  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / clear something up on: January 24, 2006, 03:43:38 PM
just to be crystal clear and not have you hurt yourself - don't force yourself to throw the heavy bag, i meant put a gi on it to practice your chokes on ground and to practice throws by learning where to grip and go through the motion of throwing but not actually throwing the bag

good luck
404  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / clear something up on: January 24, 2006, 10:40:12 AM

you can build a grappling dummy and practice on it

put a gi on the dummy or a heavy bag and practice on it either throwing or on ground


those should get you started and you should be able to come up with some on your own.

good luck in your training and HTH
405  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: clear something up on: January 24, 2006, 09:29:36 AM
woof ponytots:

Quote from: ponytotts

second question is about grappling.
@ the moment  that is my weakspot. what can i do alone? i will start a bjj class soon, but i want speed up the learning curve!!!!!  it seems that many of the DB fighters i have seen, love 2 take things 2 the ground as quickly as they can. am i wrong there?

there are some solo drills you can do which involves a lot of visualization on your part. i forget the exact story, but wrestling legend and coach, dan gable, recounted about the hours and hours of his solo 'shadow wrestling' (think shadowboxing, but wrestling). one of the shadow wrestling drills you can do involves shooting on a heavy bag.

from bjj, there's 'shrimping' drills, etc which in itself are not grappling drills per se, but components of aspects of the overall bjj game. check my site if you haven't already, i don't have the time to track down the link for you yet, when i do, i will post, but look for m.g's wall drills which he posted. look also for the http://basketball drill.

check either my bjj page or my unofficial underground forum archives page.

IIRC, frank benn may have posted some solo drills too. check either frank benn page or bjj page.

good luck in your training.
406  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / memories on: January 24, 2006, 09:19:55 AM
Quote from: moebius
I do indeed remember, in fact I've been to your archives many times over the years.   It has been a long time.

changed jobs/industries 3x since i started my site, married with 3 kids, lately i've been busy with work to update my site sad haven't been to you site in ages, nice look to it!


I am glad you got to train with Saya Gyi.  Given that he retired officially from the MA aspect of training last year, it may not be long until he phases out his seminars.  Most unfortunate.

yes, i consider myself very lucky to have had the opportunity to train with a living legend of the MA. i was more lucky to have been given the "day off" from my family to be able to go LOL. i have not had the chance to attend many seminars, probably 10 so far since 1999, and 3 of them were Dr. Gyi's. i treasure my memories of training with him and of the material he shared.

The last time he was at my place I was able to spend around 11 hours with him talking, outside of the seminar.  That was an amazing experience.  

you are lucky! after the seminars were over, we would all sit and listen, ask about anything and he was very sharing of his time, knowledge and experiences.


I have been bugging him about promoting the book & DVD,  I think they did a one-shot print, with a limited number of copies.  We just wrapped up shooting for the Longi project late last year.  I'm in the process of cleaning up the photography for that book.  Cross your fingers.

- Moe

*crosses fingers, toes, hands, arms, and legs*

407  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Letha/Dhanda Yoga on: January 23, 2006, 05:12:40 PM

not sure if you remember me, but it's been a loooong time since the days of Sean M's forum, and Dave G's, with Kev, Vedo and a few others.

thank you for the info!! my first letha yoga seminar with Dr. Gyi was in 1999 and since then, there's always have been talk of him doing a book. hope he finishes it soon smiley
408  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Hi, new member :) from Catalonia on: November 10, 2005, 02:50:14 PM

your english is fine. welcome aboard!

not sure if you have seen these before, but for some DB photo technique sequences:

click on "Photos and Diagrams"

409  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / November Gathering! - Possible Matches on: November 10, 2005, 01:59:07 PM
i recall many yrs ago, my first time reading/hearing about the MS is when Ajarn Salty Dog posted a text picture of the MS to Eskrima Digest. i have to check at home to see if i still have it saved - it was cool.
410  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / November Gathering! - Possible Matches on: November 10, 2005, 01:26:44 PM

i had a space after the images/
411  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / November Gathering! - Possible Matches on: November 10, 2005, 12:06:40 PM
Quote from: ryangruhn
Hey Marc!
  Curious, can you post some pictures of the kind you wish to fight with?  



i'm not Marc Scott, but they are like tonfa that are strapped to arms - from my limited understanding, they can also slide off and be used to hit with. watch out for those killer elbows wink

here's one pic:

the fighter on the left has them.

edit:  fixed link to pic
412  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / New on DVD! on: November 10, 2005, 12:00:29 PM
excellent! although my training partner and i used a cc to order sad
413  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Hi on: August 09, 2005, 04:10:46 PM

*bows deeply*

welcome aboard!     smiley
414  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Hello to the DBMA forum on: August 09, 2005, 04:08:39 PM
Quote from: sean_brandt

PS: Stickgrappler, I've always loved your website!

thank you! i just feel bad that i've not updated it in like 3 yrs. some great MA info from all over.  busier at work and in the, as they say in DBMA, Family Man stage of life, too busy to work on my site as well as surf the MA forums.
415  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: The Art of Malayu Sibat by Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje Jr. on: August 09, 2005, 03:42:44 PM
Quote from: iloilo44
Are there any elements or expressions of this art applied by Guru Marc Denny in the staff video?  Would there be any future seminars offerred of this unique art?




welcome to the forum smiley

i'm not Guro Crafty, but i'm pretty sure part of the Staff system in DBMA is based on GT Gaje's teachings.

fyi:  in the staff dvd preview, you will see GT Gaje and Guro Crafty's trip to the PI to train the staff.
416  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Staff from around the world on: August 09, 2005, 03:39:50 PM
Quote from: metis
download (200Mb) of the Mursi tribe:

The Mursi Tribe: The Day of the Donga

cool! thank you. if memory serves and Guro Crafty can confirm, the footage in the real contact stickfighting series was of the Donga?
417  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Staff from around the world on: August 09, 2005, 03:36:39 PM
Quote from: argyll
This is another page of staff related links:

There is a lot of overlap with the excellent list assembled by Stickgappler, but it also has some links to manufacturers.

Best regards,


cool! thank you. i did not have a lot of the other CMA and JMA styles linked. lots of dl'ing to do smiley
418  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Stick/Cane from around the world on: August 02, 2005, 05:17:09 PM
following up on the Staff from around the world thread, here are some Stick/Cane url's of manuals/techniques etc

Japanese Martial Arts

Yerkow's Stick Play chapter from his judo book -cane techniques - cane article - cane article

cane technique #1 from Goshin Ryu

cane technique #2 from Goshin Ryu

Korean Martial Arts

Canemasters - check their techniques section

Bill 'Superfoot' Wallace's site - cane

preview of Marc Tedeschi's huge book - cane

5 techniques provided by Master J.R. West at linked here cane technique cane article

Western Martial Arts

The "Walking Stick" Method of Self Defense written by Mr. H.G. Lang who was a British Officer of the Indian Police. It was written in 1923.

Irish Stick Fighting

The Great Stick A chapter on the great stick based on the French 'Le Baton" and the Italian "Baston" from ?Cold Steel? ? by Alfred Hutton 1889

The Stick Fighting Method of Pierre Vigny
barton-wright part 1

barton-wright part 2

Italian Stick Fencing By Gianluca Zanini essay

Self-Defence With A Cane By Justin Bonnafous A small article written in England during the early 1900s covering the combative use of the cane.

World War II/Military

the first 2 links work so far from


The Beginner's Guide to Using the Cane by Don Rearic

sorry, i don't have more time to post tonight, wanted to get the ball rolling, will have more tomorrow. also, i had some of Ralph Grasso's posts and photo scenario progressions (PSP) archived on my site, alas, i violated some TOS and that part of the site was taken down sad when i have time, i will work on my site again and add those.

DB Forum's Staff from around the world thread
419  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Please help me find a good video on: August 02, 2005, 02:09:18 PM
cool - thank you for the link Pretty Kitty

this is cool -

i attended Guro Crafty's staff seminar hosted by Raw Dog and Guro Crafty forgot to bring the certificates lol
420  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Tom 'The Whip' Meadows' new paladin press book... on: August 02, 2005, 01:43:31 PM
when i used to have time to read Eskrima Digest, i recall Tom Meadow's posts on his experiences fighting Top Dog. i cannot wait to check out this book once excess cash is available.
421  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Staff from around the world on: August 02, 2005, 01:40:16 PM
i'm sure some of the forum members have seen these links before here and there. at Guro Crafty's suggestion, i will consolidate the links onto this thread. if anyone has any links not posted here, please feel free to add (i'm sure Sun Helmet and Spaddachino can add to this thread easily smiley. without further ado:

Western Quarterstaff

George Silver's Paradoxes of Defence, 1598

Brief Instructions Upon My Paradoxes of Defence by George Silver

Schoole of the Noble and Worthy Science of Defence by Joseph Swetnam's 1617 Part 1 (towards bottom of the webpage is the Staff section)

Schoole of the Noble and Worthy Science of Defence by Joseph Swetnam's 1617 Part 2(first third of the webpage relates to staff)

(HTML)English Master of Defence OR, The Gentleman's Al-a-mode Accomplish By Zach Wylde, 1711

(PDF)English Master of Defence OR, The Gentleman's Al-a-mode Accomplish By Zach Wylde, 1711

Broadsword and Singlestick - with Chapters on Quarter-staff, Bayonet, Cudgel, Shillalah, Walking Stick, Umbrella and other Weapons of Self Defence.", Allanson-Winn, R.G. and C. Phillipps-Wolley, London : George Bell & Sons. 1st edition, 1898.


A Brief History of the Quarterstaff by Frank Docherty

Frank Docherty interview

The Manly Art of Quarter-Staff Origins of a Victorian Combat Sport By Tony Wolf

Chinese Martial Arts

Luk Dim Boon Kwun (Yip Man)

Luk Dim Boon Kwun (Sum Nung)

The Weapons of Wing Chun Kuen By Robert Chu & Rene Ritchie (First published in Inside Kung-Fu, 99/07)

Weapons of Wing Chun Kung Fu by Curt James - Black Belt article

The Flying Dragon Tiger Gate System By Robert Chu (First published in Exotic Martial Arts of South East Asia, Spring 1999)

William Cheung - Weapons Training

San Kam's Pole Dummy Spread Through the Red Junk Historical Articles by Various - 'Translated' from 'I Am Mountain Man'

Luk Dim Boon Kwun (Jee Shim)

Wing Chun Dragon Pole Training-Got Power?, By Daniel O'Neill


Choy Li Fut Plum Blossom Spear and Staff Article by Grandmaster Doc-Fai Wong INSIDE KUNG-FU MAGAZINE March 2003 Issue

Choy Li Fut Spear Column by Grandmaster Doc-Fai Wong INSIDE KUNG-FU MAGAZINE March 2002 Issue

Choy Li Fut Staff Column by Grandmaster Doc-Fai Wong INSIDE KUNG-FU MAGAZINE January 2002 Issue

The Flying Phoenix Kick By Stefan Verstappen Originally published in Inside Kung Fu Magazine April '01

Filipino Martial Arts

Dog Brothers Staff DVD preview

The Art Of Malayu Sibat by Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje Jr.

there are loads more on the filipino/western/chinese/japanese/korean/brazilian (jogo du pau)/indian (silambim, Kalarippayattu, etc)/Canary Islands (there's even a thread in this forum on this as well as EJMAS)/etc. ..... for now, i will stop here, when i have time i will put up more. hope others will add to this thread. my predominant interest in staff is FMA (haven't found much in the past) and CMA and recently checking out the WMA, but again, the staff is probably one of the oldest weapons if not THE oldest.

i end this post with some sayings in the CMA, it is said that "the staff is the father of all weapons and the spear, the king of all weapons." and in WCK, it is said, "Gwun mo leung heung" (Pole does not make 2 sounds).

DB Forum's Stick/Cane from around the world thread
422  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Greetings to all members! on: August 02, 2005, 10:37:50 AM
Quote from: Crafty_Dog

SG please feel free to start a thread titled "Staff from around the world" and share with us these manuals.

The Adventure continues,
Crafty Dog

woof Guro Crafty,

am tied up with work for a bit. i will make a new thread as you suggested.
423  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Tom 'The Whip' Meadows' new paladin press book... on: August 02, 2005, 10:21:30 AM
...after finishing reading Guro Crafty's article on Kali Tudo in the new black belt, i flipped through the mag. what caught my eye was that Tom 'The Whip' Meadows has a book out on the whip with paladin press book...

ack! just spent money on the DB staff dvd and Los triques, and on my must-get books list is mark hewitt's catchwrestling book. now, i gotta add tom meadows' book.

for those that don't know, the fighter with the whip in real contact stickfighting v6 was tom meadows. anyone see/get this book yet?
424  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Greetings to all members! on: August 02, 2005, 08:46:25 AM
Quote from: Silver_Mongoose
I recognized quite a few Jo-type techniques from the DBMA "Staff" preview.  I just might get me a copy.

butchering what Bruce Lee said, but basically we only have 2 arms and 2 legs and they have a finite amount of motion angles due to our body structure. so no surprise if techniques look similar. you learned aikijo first, therefore, DB staff looks like that to you. ask someone else and they say, i see some kobudo in it if say they were a kobudo student. etc. so no surprise smiley we apply new experiences through our lenses and based on our previous experience interpret from that previous experience's viewpoint.


Right now, I'm researching Irish stickfighting and other martial ways of using walking canes.

there are loads of online manuals relating to staff and walking canes. if you need, i will go through my favorites and find them for you should you need (or any others). i'm sure you have seen ken pfenger's (sp?) bata site.
425  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Please help me find a good video on: August 02, 2005, 08:41:30 AM
Quote from: sting
There is also Surf Dog's video "Filipino Stick Fighting" available from

whoa! i did not know Surf Dog had a vid.
426  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Please help me find a good video on: July 28, 2005, 02:18:40 PM
the first set of DB vids are geared towards solo training except for #6 (fights), #5 (stickgrappling) and half of #4 (thrusts, punyos) but overall, this is an excellent set to work off of, i made a one hr workout "swing along with Top Dog" vid and used to work out to that.

another set i like is the late PG Edgar Sulite's Lameco vids - i forget the exact names, but he has a 2 vid set on single stick, double stick, and 1 on stick and knife. they are published by Unique.

there are loads more, but those are the ones i really like and recommend to anyone.
427  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / New Staff DVD on: July 28, 2005, 02:14:02 PM
the clip looks awesome, i cannot wait to see this.

my training partner and i are going half and half on this and he will be placing the order soon WOOHOO!
428  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Hello to the DBMA forum on: July 28, 2005, 09:31:36 AM
a belated welcome aboard theMachine23 - i've seen that nick from somewhere before wink
429  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Greetings to all members! on: July 28, 2005, 09:08:41 AM

Quote from: Silver_Mongoose
Hello, folks!  Greetings from the humid Midsouth.

I just joined the forum, and I'm looking forward to having quality exchanges with everybody here.

please let me be the first to welcome you aboard smiley greeting you from hazy, hot, and humid nyc for the past few days, today, luckily it has cooled off and less humidity.


A little bit about myself:

...only to ultimately find my niche in Aikido.  Since then, it has been my base art for all other cross-training that I did along with it.

always wanted to check out aiki-jo.


For a long time now, I have been very interested in a variety of stickfighting methods, Asian as well as those particular to other world cultures (Celtic, Slavic, Native American, African, etc.), and I am looking forward to learning new things here as well as offering things in return whenever I can.

did you check out Stav? not trying to troll or stir $hit, but from what i've heard of Stav, it's runes mixed in with some jodo. of course, i read that off the internet, so it must be true, right? smiley seriously, this was not from first-hand experience, just what i heard from friends.

again, welcome aboard and enjoy the ride
430  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / New Staff DVD on: July 26, 2005, 04:20:58 PM

ACK! Saving up for it NOW!!
431  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Stickfighting in northern NJ and a school question on: July 26, 2005, 04:10:37 PM
sorry for delay in reply - real life takes precedence sometimes. not sure if you will see my post.

a friend of mine is one of Phil Dunlap's students, Ken Andes. he is an instructor under Dong Cuestra of Doce Pares. not sure if Ken is still teaching, but next time you are at Phil's, if you haven't met Ken yet, ask for him, he's a cool guy.
432  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / New DVD: The Physical Body [Indian Wrestling] on: June 21, 2005, 11:22:53 AM
cool metis!

as for the book, reposting a link to free online edition from above - nothing beats like having a real book in your hands, but if yuo want to check it out before buying, check the link


here's a link to the free online edition of Prof Alter's The Wrestler's Body - a book on Indian Wrestling.
433  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / New DVD: The Physical Body [Indian Wrestling] on: June 20, 2005, 03:32:33 PM
reviews are coming back and i reposted one by someone the FMA community recognizes. there is a Robert W. Smith review forthcoming, although not know for FMA, within the MA circles, Smith is well-known.

Quote from: Tom Bisio

Review of THE PHYSICAL BODY ( DVD) by Tom Bisio

The Physical Body: Indian Wrestling & Physical Culture is a DVD that presents a unique look at the training methods of traditional Indian wrestling. Exquisitely filmed and produced by veteran film maker Vincent Giordano, this DVD is not only packed with information, but also brings the viewer the actual sights and sounds of Indian wrestling. The excellent camerawork and lighting, coupled with the traditional music that forms a backdrop to Mr. Giordano's informative narration, makes you feel as though you are warming up with the other wrestlers.

I found the comparisons between the more traditional wrestling schools and the hybrid schools that blend modern and ancient training methods fascinating. As the DVD followed wrestlers through their warmups and training exercises, I was impressed by their dedication, strength and endurance. The training exercises are presented clearly and demonstrated in such a way that the viewer could easily follow them. The relationship between some of the traditional strength training exercises and yoga's salute to the sun, was enlightening both from a cultural and practical standpoint.

I highly recommend this DVD to martial arts practitioners, as well as those interested in physical culture and yoga. Watching The Physical Body, made me wish i could transport myself back to the days when India and Gama the Great dominated the world in wrestling.
434  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / New DVD: The Physical Body [Indian Wrestling] on: June 20, 2005, 03:30:12 PM
Written by Vincent Giordano for Jake Shannon's Scientific Wrestling newsletter:

The Physical Body: Indian Wrestling and Physical Culture by Vincent Giordano

The genesis and creation of The Physical Body project is rather simple. While doing research for my forthcoming book The Vanishing Flame: The Bare Knuckle Fighting Arts of India, Cambodia, Burma, Thailand and Laos, the workout regimens of the bare knuckle fighters overlapped those of the Indian wrestlers.

I was given a tremendous amount of access to the wrestlers and decided as I do with most of my work to begin detailing their physical regimens. It's vital to those who really want to understand many of these arts to actually see them conducted in their environment by current and active players.

Already familiar with the majority of the exercises from my own personal workouts with Indian wrestlers and from the massive library of books, ancient documents and articles I had amassed over the years, I learned there was still more to it than I had thought. There were subtle variations to each exercise as would be expected from the many Gurus who run their own Akharas or wrestling gymnasiums, teaching their own variations and unique contributions to their students.

What I found most enjoyable was watching the different speeds the wrestlers worked at. One variation of the Hindu squat might be fast and explosive, another steady almost meditative. I grew fond of the intermediary exercise I called the Hindu squat thrust which combines the Hindu squat and Hindu push up into one action which mirrors a brother action in Surya Namaskar or sun salutation.

Many people have claimed the wrestlers damaged their bodies and were in poor health later in life. From my own research, and one part of my own personal interest and that of my research, is health maintenance and restoration. One can see clearly that all exercises are built from the ground up. When asked to learn the Jori, I was given very lightweights to begin practicing the action. In time, as my strength grew, the weight and size of the Jori would grow in accordance with my development. The circular actions were beneficial I found on the joints and the use of massage, an integral ingredient to almost all Indian martial arts, indispensable for maintaining overall health.

We see similar claims in Thailand, but again the body is built slowly over time to acclimate to the task at hand. Many foreigners to these exercises just assume they should do hundreds and hundreds of reps blind. Skill is developed in increments and over time. Many of the old masters I trained with lived well into their eighties and beyond and were active to the very last days of their lives. From my own research, there were those who suffered debilitating injuries from their training and fighting careers as too in Burmese Boxing, Thai Boxing and the rest but a lot of the injuries I saw too were preventable with proper medical care.

I saw several men with cataracts which went untreated, broken bones which were not set or healed properly, improper dental care, high blood pressure to name a few. The factors went beyond the normal wear and tear of a fight career. There were those also who just didn't take care of themselves as well or continued to fight well beyond the point of their own well-being.

I decided to show many of these exercises and link them to the larger physical culture arena in India to show the greater picture. True it is only a small fragment, one at least gets an inside glimpse into the true world without any hype or hyperbole. The majority of the footage was shot as a sketchbook with interviews and training sessions looped together like a crazy quilt. I usually keep written notebooks and what I call visual notebooks for everything I do. Sometimes the visual is essential for remembering or recreating what has gone on especially as time erodes the memory of it.

Upon seeing the footage, I was asked by a prominent writer/researcher, wrestler and referee if I could record more of the exercises especially those of the Jori and Gada swinging. His help was immeasurable to me so I agreed to continue filming as a token of gratitude to him and all he had done for my research projects.

The work on this particular project focuses on the physical training, mostly on the overall regimens isolated out by akharas and a single wrestlers routine. There is a greater story to tell that clearly stretches beyond the physical. I have found that there is just a fathomless fountain of knowledge still waiting to be discovered within India.

My training and research continues to go on and in future writing and DVDs I will hope to explore and share it with everyone.
435  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / New DVD: The Physical Body [Indian Wrestling] on: June 07, 2005, 05:00:25 PM
Quote from: Phil Dunlap  

I just finished watching this and I enjoyed it very much.

The material itself was fascinating it felt like I was actually in the various gyms watching the training. I really appreciated the section tying the various wrestling exercises to the sun salutation. I had allways felt there was a strong yogic tie-in in martial arts influenced by the Indian arts and this really put it together for me.

This tape is a must have for wrestlers who want to see wrestling history, fans of Bodyweight conditioning who want to see the layout of a holistic sport specifec routine, and people that love Martial History.

On Production : I felt like I was watching a documentery on the discovery channel.I really like it that Vinny avoided the natural temptation to involve himself or personal views in the project. The material is allowed to speak for itself.

My only complaint is now I am desperate to see the rest of his projects.

To Vinny I am so glad someone with such a true passion is documenting the arts before they die or disappear. I loved your approach to this material and am so glad you are doing similar projects on the Bareknuckle systems.

fyi, for those that don't know who Phil is, he's the lineage holder of Kachin Bando. similar to Dr. Gyi's Bando in some ways but Phil only teaches the Kachin styles.

Phil teaches in Mahwah, NJ (northern NJ) and his site is:

i went to 3 of Phil's seminar and he is a good teacher showing how things are done in Kachin bando.


here's a link to the free online edition of Prof Alter's The Wrestler's Body  - a book on Indian Wrestling.
436  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / New DVD: The Physical Body [Indian Wrestling] on: June 07, 2005, 04:55:30 PM
Quote from: pahayuth

Another interesting article:

A short piece on the late Guru Hanuman.His akhara is featured in the dvd:
437  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Crafty Dog at Budo International Expo: NYC TOMORROW (Sat) on: June 07, 2005, 04:49:45 PM
DOH! *caveman's self for being too busy with work to check forum to see this thread and missing out on an opportunity to train with Guro Crafty*


however, a big congrats on making Budo's HOF!!!
438  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / New DVD: The Physical Body [Indian Wrestling] on: May 27, 2005, 03:22:25 PM
Indo-Pakistan Greco-Roman connection

i thought i had more Indian wrestling related threads archived on my site - for now, i've not found more.

some of my links are dead like Black Belt's article on Gama. will have to find it.

as i find more of the related threads (if there are any more) on my site, i will put up links
439  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / New DVD: The Physical Body [Indian Wrestling] on: May 27, 2005, 02:34:34 PM
Quote from: pahuyuth
440  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / New DVD: The Physical Body [Indian Wrestling] on: May 25, 2005, 11:38:21 AM
NOTE:  Guro Crafty - if this is inappropriate, pls forgive me and pls delete this thread.


reposting from -

my friend, and also Guro Crafty, Ajarn Salty and Top Dog's friend, pahuyuth is selling a dvd to finance his trips to SE Asia for research to finish up his upcoming books/dvds/articles on the SE Asian bareknuckle arts as well as Thai Krabi Krabong and other SE Asian arts/

From: pahuyuth1  
Date: 05/17/05 11:00 AM 11 AM  

My newest DVD The Physical Body: Indian Wrestling and Physical Culture is out today. The DVD focuses on the training regimens and routines of the indian wrestlers and the diverse scope of physical culture in india. As we know alot of this material formed the basis or inspiration for Karl Gotch's tremendous conditioning routines, combat conditioning and many other popular training regimens around today. The DVD offers alot of variations on the exercises from the hindu squats, hindu pushups as well as the hindu squat thrusts and everything from the gada,jori, nal, gar nal, sumtola to the unique Mallakhamb or wrestlers pillar. The DVD is set with several different chapters from showing the new ways of training in contrast to the older more ancient way in some of the top wrestling gyms in India to bonus footage and a stills gallery.

Proceeds from the DVD go toward completing the research for my forthcoming book and translating alot of the older texts I acquired over the time traveling and training.

The on line webpage has full details on the dvd, price/order info and a quicktime preview: or you can order by calling toll free at: 1 888 232-0439

Paypal, you can order through: (until MAY 24)

The DVD is $34.95 and runs 60 minutes


For members, and especially the few that emailed and needed more time: I can extend the paypal purchase until May 31st, the cost is $34.95 including postage to anywhere in the US or abroad included. Paypal: or you can email me at for further info. My travel plans were pushed back a bit so I will have a little breathing room. this is for a pay pal purchase only....


Here are interesting threads for those interested in the future of indian wrestling and where it is going: menu=news.latestheadlines


Another recent review:

" This DVD is tremendous. Anyone interested in martial arts, history, wrestling, physical culture, old or new must have this in their viewing library. This is truly an original documentary. To my knowledge, material like this exists nowhere else. I have done years of research on wrestling only to find a handful of books written in English covering the subject of Kushti or Indian Wrestling. I have also been a practitioner of heavy club swinging for close to a decade. This grew out of my interest in the strong men of India and wrestlers of old. This DVD shows all methods of traditional club or Jori swinging with both small and gigantic clubs. Today there seems to be a revival of Indian club swinging. The DVD shows a few methods of the ancient practice in its original form. I believe the Gada (Mace) exercises on the DVD will soon be copied by many after viewing your DVD. I constructed a Gada many years ago out of a bowling ball with a four foot piece of pipe. What a workout for anyone wanting to improve grip and core strength. There are exercises demonstrated that are both old and new that make this DVD priceless. Those that are fans of Karl Gotch, the Catch Wrestler and his traditional forms of exercise will see where they originated from. There is so much information and many exhibitions of students performing exercises with Apparatus such as the Wrestler's pillar or Malla-kamb and rope Malla-kamb. The book that is best known for demonstrating these pieces of equipment is of course the Encyclopedia of Indian Physical Culture. This book only gives us photos and a brief explanation of how these exercises may have been practiced. The Physical Body DVD leaves nothing to the imagination on how these routines were actually carried out and performed. I loved the sections on Wrestling throws and takedowns being demonstrated in different Ashrams or Gymnasiums. Another section of interest to many may be how the earthen pits are dug and prepared for daily wrestling practice and exercise. There were many examples on how to perform exercises that I had never seen before. This DVD gives us historical commentary, examples of traditional exercise, and wrestling demonstrations. Thanks for sharing this excellent piece of work."

Richard "Army" Maguire, Author of the forthcoming ?Invincible Iron Palm?


edit:  The direct link to the webpage is now open::

edit2:  fixed bad link
441  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Tom Bisio book - A TOOTH FROM THE TIGER'S MOUTH on: May 05, 2005, 11:03:17 AM
i cross-posted this on another forum and was reminded of Tom Bisio's CMA lineage:

Quote from: Andrew

Haven't read the book, but Bisio's Chinese medical and martial background is from Vince Black, a guy who is considered by many to be one of the top 'internal' guys on the continent, and who is well known in the TCM community outside of his martial skills.

there are those who believe in chi and those who don't. Hei/Chi/Qi is a big part of chinese medicine. luckily for people who don't believe in Chi, they don't need to believe in it for cures to work smiley
442  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / DBMA Camp 5/14-15: Short Impact Weapons on: May 04, 2005, 04:06:12 PM
woof Guro Crafty:

i will look into joining DBMAA smiley

besides the SIW, my other interest is in the staff. looking forward to the material. smiley
443  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Tom Bisio book - A TOOTH FROM THE TIGER'S MOUTH on: May 04, 2005, 04:03:04 PM
anyone read it yet? i just started. so far so good.

A TOOTH FROM THE TIGER'S MOUTH:  How to Treat Your Injuries with Powerful Healing Secrets of the Great Chinese Warriors

i'm sure you know Tom Bisio's background in MA, if not, he is well known in Pekiti Tirsia/FMA circles - one of the top, if not the top, student of Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje Jr. he taught Eric "Top Dog" Knaus for a time. but since then he has been into the Chinese internal MA and the healing aspects of Chinese medicine. this book is about the healing aspects of Chinese medicine.

i was flipping through it in the bookstore, i know of Tom Bisio's rep and of him being legit, i bought it on the spot. i was skimming through it on train ride home and i noticed the western RICE approach and his comments on it from a Chinese medicine/Chinese sports medicine approach and how they differ. i look forward to reading the rest of this book, i know it will be good and most importantly, useful.

edit:  took out the html, forgot this forum is BBCode smiley
444  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Movies of interest on: May 02, 2005, 04:25:37 PM
some notes and thoughts from me:

Quote from: Matthew Wanniski
A Review of ?Kung Fu Hustle?

Chow plays Sing (coincidentally, the same name of the character he played in ?Shaolin Soccer?),

HK films sometimes names the characters after the actors because the actors are so well-known. Stephen Chow's name in cantonese is Chow Sing-chi. there are some movies of Jackie Chan's where his character is "Jackie".

Stephen Chow movies have bigger box offices than Jackie Chan movies from what i've heard. he is the biggest asian star, bigger than Jackie.

...martial arts veteran and Bruce Lee stuntman Yuen Wah (?The Chinese Connection?)

Yuen Wah is one of the Seven Little Fortunes (in cantonese:  Chut Siu Fook) and amongst his "martial brothers" are Sammo Hung, Jackie Chan and Yuen Biao. all the SLF's stage names are named after their instructor in the Peking Opera, Yu Jim-yuen, with the exception of Sammo Hung and Jackie Chan who have used their real surnames instead of their stage names.

Three others join in the fight against the Axe Gang, exhibiting remarkable and improbable martial arts skills.

the styles of the 3 who fight agains the axe gang are real styles - 2 forms from the hung ga system of CMA and 3rd one may or may not be, i'm not up on the 3rd:  1) the pole style is "5 elements 8 diagram pole" (mm hung baat gwa gwun), 2) "iron wire fist" (teet sin kuen), and 3) tam tui, the kicking/legs style. i don't know if there is a "real" toad style that the beast used towards the end of the movie, or if there is a real "lion's roar" or also the "buddhist palm", but in the chinese wu xia novels, these styles exist. cool seeing it cgi'd.

When The Axe Gang calls in the most notorious killer of them all, a man known only as ?The Beast,? ... Played with exceptional humor and athleticism by the famous martial arts master and 1970s actor Leung Siu Lung

my friend said his best movie was, sorry - the name escapes me at the moment. my fave movie of his is released currently as THE LEG FIGHTERS, available on dvd commercially. back then he was known as Tam Tao-Liang, Delon Tam (after french movie idol Alain Delon), and various other spellings. incredible kicks. and yes they are high and flashy. i am not saying it's good or bad in real life/self defense, just saying he has good kicks as seen in his 1970's movies.

i liked this movie alot. the addition of cgi was realistic enough or seamless, unlike say tsui hark's LEGEND OF ZU. in LOZ, i felt like tsui was banging my head with a blunt ax saying, look at me, ooh ahh, cool cgi, see what i can add to the movie. in LOZ, the cgi was excessive. in SHAOLIN SOCCER, the cgi was very obvious but it was not excessively used which is a good thing. some critics complained of george lucas of overdoing the cgi in episodes 1-2. some of stephen chow's earlier HK movies involved a lot of wordplay and humor was lowbrow, i am glad he has evolved and that the west is getting a chance to see 2 of his recent movies. i recommend stephen chow movies to my non-cantonese speaking friends and i always wonder if they will find it as funny as me.
445  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / grandfathers speak on: May 02, 2005, 02:51:24 PM
this is a great video! it's always inspiring to see the elders/manongs of the art you are practicing. to see angel cabales or john lacoste move at their age is inspiring. if i was 1/10th as good as them at their mature age now, i would be happy.
446  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / DBMA Camp 5/14-15: Short Impact Weapons on: May 02, 2005, 02:40:21 PM
woof all:

been busy with real life, happened to have some time today and surf on by to one of my fave sites on the net.

lo and behold, i see something i'm interesting in and being in the Family Man stage of life, i cannot devote time and money for the travel to this camp sad

so my next option is to post a q on this thread and ask any chance of a video? smiley

edit:  living in nyc, i love the idea of the SIW, i carry several pens on me and it's great from many viewpts (what if you lose your pen? no sweat.; officer i was frantic and i had my hands in my pocket and grabbed a pen, it's a pen, not a knife, not a gun; ...)
447  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Three years later , , , on: September 23, 2004, 12:24:58 PM
i wrote that a week before 9/11/04, but did not get a chance to post it here.
448  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / I will always remember? on: September 23, 2004, 12:23:12 PM
I will always remember I woke up that day running late, something did not feel right?
I will always remember the E train to the World Trade Center was slow as heck?
I will always remember getting off the E train and as I go to exit at the turnstyle, a mob of people were running at me from the mall yelling, "Bomb!"?
I will always remember that this cannot be happening?
I will always remember that this is not real?

I will always remember being swept with the mob being forced to exit onto Vesey Street, right next to the post office on Chambers Street?
I will always remember the tiny staircase up to the street being very narrow and barely fitting two people abreast?
I will always remember wondering why people were so slow at the top of the staircase?
I will always remember as I get to the top of the staircase exiting onto Vesey Street seeing a big f*cking, gaping black hole in the side of World Trade Center One?
I will always remember seeing the big f*cking, gaping black hole in the side of WTC One on fire?
I will always remember the dodging the falling debris as I try to cross the street to go to One Liberty Plaza?
I will always remember the chaos with the the firemen, policemen, and EMT's in the area?
I will always remember people sobbing and crying?
I will always remember people standing in a state of shock during the surrealness of the whole scene?
I will always remember that this cannot be happening?
I will always remember that this is not real?

I will always remember making it to my building safely and finding other co-workers?
I will always remember my co-workers telling me they were all scared and had to evacuate?
I will always remember one of my coworkers was pregnant at the time and had to climb down 16 flights of stairs scared witless and worrying for her baby's safety?
I will always remember talking to one of my coworkers and wondering what to do?
I will always remember as I talk to him, he flinches and cringes?
I will always remember asking him what happened and he said he thought he saw some people jump?
I will always remember that this cannot be happening?
I will always remember that this is not real?

I will always remember a mob of people running and shouting at us forcing us to go inside of One Liberty Plaza?
I will always remember that this cannot be happening?
I will always remember that this is not real?
I will always remember that the glass cracked all around as I felt what was like a small earthquake?
I will always remember finding out that the people saw a plane heading into World Trade Center Two and running away?
I will always remember what I thought was a small earthquake resulting in cracked glass was the 2nd plane hitting?
I will always remember that this cannot be happening?
I will always remember that this is not real?

I will always remember at that point to vacate the area immediately?
I will always remember thinking I hope my wife is safe in Brooklyn, right over the Brooklyn Bridge?
I will always remember if I would ever see her or my kids again?
I will always remember walking over the Brooklyn Bridge, always looking back and only seeing smoke covering the WTC?
I will always remember pi$$ing in my pants thinking what if the Bridge was going to be hit next or if there was a carbomb planted already as I walked over it with thousands of other people?
I will always remember making it over the bridge and hearing the Marshals in the Federal Courts saying the WTC collapsed and thinking, "No f*cking way!"?
I will always remember that this cannot be happening?
I will always remember that this is not real?

I will always remember finding my wife and she was worried for me after seeing it all on TV?
I will always remember how fortunate my wife's coworker was able to drive us home?
I will always remember getting home just as my mother picked up my oldest daughter from pre-kindengarden with my 2nd daughter in the stroller?
I will always remember having tears roll down my face as I go to hug my oldest daughter?
I will always remember her asking, "Why are you crying, Daddy?" and I replied, "You will learn about today in school as you grow up and I will tell you then what happened."?
I will always remember the jets flying overhead continously?
I will always remember being glued to the tv in the wee hours of the morning watching the same footage over and over as my family slept and me not being able to sleep?
I will always remember the next day, my wife's best friend calls saying her brother's girlfriend called him just prior to jumping?
I will always remember that this cannot be happening?
I will always remember that this is not real?

I will always remember finally going back to work after almost a week of staying home?
I will always remember working in a sardine-packed room full of other displaced coworkers at one of our branches in their lunchroom working on laptops off of picnic tables?
I will always remember working in that same room for a year before work has gone back to some semblance of normalcy?

I will always remember that it was happening and it was all real?

I will always remember 9/11/01.

* Dedicated to the heroes, victims, and their loved ones from 9/11/01 *
449  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Healing Aspect of DBMA on: August 11, 2004, 03:56:26 PM

Quote from: Jacob Sisler

I noticed that you guys incorporate Dr. Gyi methods of Yoga, Letha Yoga if i'm not mistaken. What makes it different from other forms? How good is it for people who want to walk as a warrior for all his days?

i am not Guro Crafty. i was fortunate enough to attend 2 of Dr. Gyi's Letha Yoga seminars when he was in NYC. this doesn't make me qualified really to expound on letha, so take my post FWIW.

Letha is specifically partner-assisted. there are certain ranges of motion you cannot reach unless you have a partner assisting you. it helps to release toxins that are built up in the joints from training/fighting/shock to body. if you can, you should check it out. FWIW, i believe Guro Crafty believes it's so good, that he has included it in DBMA. i personally believe it helps.

Quote from: Jacob Sisler

I think it would be really cool if you could get a tape or 2 on his methods, nut that is just my opinion. Thanks for your time

forgive the advertisement:  join the DBMAA, there is a vidlesson on dhanda yoga (yoga with a staff).

450  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Some of you guys might want to see this. on: July 30, 2004, 11:39:49 AM
i'm firewalled from work sad
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