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101  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Media, Ministry of Truth Issues on: October 21, 2017, 02:39:43 PM
"non consensual sex"

Rape Huh 

or she had an sexual affair and is claiming he coerced or harassed her Huh

$ 32 million is a lot of dough !!!

There are a lot of women who around the world who would love that kind of harassment.  Sorry politically correct folks but , true.

102  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / GW students on: October 21, 2017, 12:30:15 PM
tax experts:

https://pjmedia.com/video/trumps-tax-plan-called-bernie-sanders-plan/
103  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Just sickening: Obama-Clinton Treason with the Russians (Uranium) on: October 21, 2017, 10:21:49 AM
"Interestingly, as the plea agreement shows, the Obama DOJ’s Fraud Section was then run by Andrew Weissmann, who is now one of the top prosecutors in Robert Mueller’s ongoing special-counsel investigation of suspected Trump collusion with Russia.  "

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/452972/uranium-one-deal-obama-administration-doj-hillary-clinton-racketeering
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/452972/uranium-one-deal-obama-administration-doj-hillary-clinton-racketeering

104  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Middle East: War, Peace, and SNAFU, TARFU, and FUBAR on: October 20, 2017, 08:36:27 PM
we screw over the Kurds again.

 cry
105  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Fredo? on: October 20, 2017, 04:20:26 PM
Is this a reference to Fredo from Godfather? 
I am probably the only person on the planet that did not like that movie series:


From Wikipedia:
Fredo (Frederico) Corleone is a fictional character in Mario Puzo's novel The Godfather. Fredo is portrayed by American actor John Cazale in the Francis Ford Coppola film adaptation and in the sequel, The Godfather Part II.
He is the second son of the mafia don Vito Corleone (Marlon Brando and Robert De Niro). Fredo is the younger brother of Sonny (James Caan) and the elder brother to Michael (Al Pacino) and sister, Connie (Talia Shire).[1]
Being weaker and less intelligent than his brothers, Fredo has little power or status within the Corleone crime family.
106  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Even when Trump is liberal Republicans seem to find a way to get on: October 20, 2017, 09:51:29 AM
to the left of him:

https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/gop-browbeats-trumps-epa-into-expanding-obamacare-of-energy
107  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Politics of Health Care on: October 19, 2017, 09:42:15 PM
GM,
Yes and
Venezuela is a more recent example
108  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / The planners in the US would do the same thing if they could on: October 19, 2017, 08:29:50 PM
and they had a national health care system to tell us all what to do.

But they have no problem taxing cigarettes in Britain like here
Why not make them illegal and put smokers in jail?

Why not tax those with BMIs over 30 and those over 40 double tax and those over 50 -> jail.

What about all the drunks in England and Ireland?  Refuse them care if they don't stop drinking.

I suppose gender re assignment surgery is covered.
What about all the people spreading STDs?  Talk about irresponsible behavior.  (can't blame it on Reagan he's dead)
I could think of other examples

Make it LAW ->  1) all people must exercise for 30 minutes a day for 6 days a week

2 )  Sweets banned

3)  limit red meat to 8 oz per week per person
4 )  you must prove you are eating your greens and fruit and nuts daily

Otherwise your labeled a deplorable and SJW have the right to decide your fate.


(PS my BMI is about 26)
109  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Decline, Fall, and Resurrection of America on: October 19, 2017, 06:52:36 PM
Notice the WHITE face?

mocking white folk now!  Could you imagine if it was black face ala AL Jolson ( which certainly was offensive )
110  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Bush Presidency; GW Bush; the Bush Family on: October 19, 2017, 04:22:07 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4997756/Bush-throws-shade-Trump-bullying-prejudice.html

Well, I guess W  is saying that 60 million people  in the US who were born in other countries is not enough.  Imiigration levels are higher then ever including the 1800 and 1900 hundreds mass immigration  waves

I agree that Trump is too crude and vulgar but W, there  is a reason your brother lost.

There IS a reason you are the bottom of the Presidential rankings dung heap.

You had no problems keeping your mouth shut while Obama was transforming our country, but NOW you decide to speak out?

What about the lack of civility from the LEFT which includes the mocking of you while you were President.  Stand up for us on the right for God's sake.

111  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / 1999, Russell : Islam in Asia & Africa on: October 19, 2017, 03:55:13 PM
http://www.seasite.niu.edu/crossroads/russell/islam.htm

This is from 1999 but seems to give some window in Islam and Asia:

http://apcss.org/Publications/Report_Islam_in_Asia_99.html
112  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / You have got to be kidding on: October 19, 2017, 03:40:12 PM
 "In Minneapolis, a petition is circulating to replace a Columbus statue at the state capitol with one of the artist formerly known as Prince"

Yes lets revere an HIV  +  drug addict.

113  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / MSM blackout of real Russian conspiracy scandal on: October 19, 2017, 09:58:04 AM
https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/wtf-msm-virtually-no-coverage-of-the-obama-clinton-russian-uranium-bombshell
114  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / MSM blackout of Obama?Clinton era corruption on: October 19, 2017, 09:57:26 AM
Bamster can do no wrong as  again the wagons circle around him. Got to protect THEIR guy:

https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/wtf-msm-virtually-no-coverage-of-the-obama-clinton-russian-uranium-bombshell
115  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Islam in Asia & Africa on: October 19, 2017, 09:51:08 AM
Good questions Doug.  Exactly what is the impact of the Muslims in the Far East to us and the rest of the world?



116  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Malkin: reality check, possibility of false rape accusations on: October 18, 2017, 08:29:42 AM
https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/malkin-beware-the-rape-allegation-bandwagon
117  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / ISIS handed big defeat by Trump on: October 18, 2017, 08:24:12 AM
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/raqqa-victory-means-trump-defeated-isis-in-months-after-years-of-excuses-from-obama/
118  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / very discouraging article on the US navy on: October 18, 2017, 07:55:57 AM
(but they are politically correct so what is the big deal compared to that ?   angry  - thanks Brock)

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/452768/us-navy-355-ships-needed
119  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / singled out because she was black by white man on: October 17, 2017, 07:31:25 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/tamika-mallory-says-she-kicked-210557156.html

of course she was polite and agreeable and she has not idea other then because she is black as to why she was for no reason singled out to be asked to leave an airplane.

i believe her story. 
120  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / winners of Liberty award on: October 17, 2017, 07:17:19 PM
prior to McCain who suddenly is one the list.  Wonder if he supported Trump if he would be on the list for his service?

notice Hill also won it for the most miles travelled.

Colin Powell for what?

William Gates for what?

Spielberg for his movies?

some seem bona fide but others seem dubious

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Liberty_Medal
121  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / A real Russian conspiracy not fake one on: October 17, 2017, 06:32:58 PM
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/452776/russian-nuclear-scandal-what-did-hillary-clinton-know
122  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Obama Clinton Russian collusion/scandal on: October 17, 2017, 06:32:25 PM
don't expect the MSM to report on THIS 24/7 like they do bashing Trump in every way the can dream up.

I first heard of this on Rush radio this afternoon:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/452776/russian-nuclear-scandal-what-did-hillary-clinton-know

123  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / is this guy really fit to serve? on: October 17, 2017, 10:50:20 AM
Darling of the LEFT John McCain has brain cancer.  Yet he pompously goes around giving anti Trump speeches and voting against anything he comes up with :

ttps://www.spartareport.com/2017/10/barking-news-sgt-bowe-bergdahl-pleads-guilty-to-desertion-and-misbehavior/

Should someone with brain cancer be in the Senate?  Waiting for him to seize in NJ.....
124  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Bergdahl pleads guilty for desertion on: October 17, 2017, 08:50:07 AM
ttps://www.spartareport.com/2017/10/barking-news-sgt-bowe-bergdahl-pleads-guilty-to-desertion-and-misbehavior/

Anyone remember how Obama lauded this guy as a hero and had his parents to the WH? :

http://www.dailywire.com/news/22305/breaking-alleged-traitor-hailed-american-hero-ben-shapiro#

Nothing like having an American President laud a deserter as a hero!    angry
125  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / The Four on: October 17, 2017, 08:01:42 AM
ROGER L. SIMON
Four GOP Senators Standing in the Way of Progress
 BY ROGER L SIMON OCTOBER 16, 2017 CHAT 57 COMMENTS

While the media fixates on the circus surrounding Mitch McConnell v. Steve Bannon with Donald Trump as ringmaster and the Democrats in the role of the increasingly disloyal -- now Harvey-besmirched -- opposition, the real story involves none of these people directly.

Four Republican senators hold and have held our country in their hands for most of this year by themselves. They obstruct progress by wielding far too much power than their positions and number merit.

They are Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska,  Rand Paul of Kentucky, and John McCain of Arizona.

These four prevented healthcare reform and they now stand in the way of tax reform.

Of them, only Paul has something of an excuse.  A libertarian, his positions at least make sense ideologically.  The other three act out of a kind of morally narcissistic pique, an almost pathological need to be at the center of every controversial issue, to make the world hang on their decisions and then sigh in disappointment as they ultimately vote "nyet."  (Or, in the case of Democrats, applaud them as great  "patriots" above party politics.)


In McCain's case, this narcissistic craving for attention is exacerbated by a heavy dollop of Trump hatred.  John can't stand Donald and is unlikely to support any legislation that would bring credit to the president, regardless of its value.  McCain undoubtedly considers this a justifiable response to Trump's besmirching of the Arizonan's war hero reputation early in the campaign, but the job of a senator is to serve the people of his state (and the country) and not his own necessity for vengeance.

The conventional explanation for the four senators' resistance -- considerably more effective, so far, than the more trumpeted "Resistance" of the left -- is that they are representing the needs of their states.  That might have had some minute superficial truth, temporary as it was, in the realm of healthcare, but regarding tax reform it is complete nonsense.

The most important reform, one that affects all fifty states,  is lowering the corporate tax rate from the absurd 35%, which puts our companies at such a disadvantage and incentivizes them to leave billions in foreign accounts, to something close to 20%.  Even lower would be great.  (By comparison, the corporate rate of our leading economic competitor, China, is 25%, with certain privileged businesses -- aka "qualified enterprises"-- reduced to 15%. Ireland is at 12.5% and possibly dropping to 8%.)
 
A Congress that was even remotely doing its job would have changed ours years ago. But it doesn't seem to be able to act even on something this obvious.  People like the above mentioned four are at the root of this stasis, putting their own parochial interests over those of the American people.

When Steve Bannon speaks of "primarying" politicians like this, he isn't really being a bully or an extremist, as the media likes to paint him.  He is actually making quite a bit of sense.  Trump appears to know this and, from the look on his face at Monday's joint press conference, McConnell does too.

Whether Mitch himself is to blame for the legislative failures of the last eight or so months or whether Collins, Murkowski, Paul and McCain are just too intransigent is difficult to say.  As Trump made clear Monday, we shall soon find out.
126  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / JW on: October 16, 2017, 07:55:28 PM
more "deep state" coverups ?


http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/10/16/loretta-lynch-documents-deep-state-doesnt-want-release-damaging-records-tom-fitton
127  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Hillbillary Clintons long, sordid, and often criminal history on: October 16, 2017, 06:36:31 PM
Crafty D :

"  JW: WTF? Tillerson State Dept. and Sessions DOJ protecting Hillary?!? "


That is precisely why I was hoping that JJ would ask Chafitz the question *why*

Smells  like a rotten egg in Denmark to me.  (though I have never been to Denmark)
128  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Hillbillary Clintons long, sordid, and often criminal history on: October 16, 2017, 06:33:58 PM
GM:

" **Remember, Hollywood/DNC/the left isn't dropping Weinstein because they found out what he has done. They've known for years, decades even. They are dropping him because WE found out about him."

That is the truth in a nutshell

Plain and simple.

129  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: North and South Korea on: October 16, 2017, 05:16:53 PM
if we do not use military force the NK will continue to expand their nuclear capability and threaten the whole SE Asia and more distant targets.

I conclude we should just assassinate Kim and his top henchmen, if we can .  Then be ready for any response if HIS underlings have the chuztpa to give a military response.

I wonder what the war game guys have concluded about this scenario.

Are they really against it because it won't work, or risk too high, or political fall out or all of it?

One wonders what the NK people really think of Kim and his mob.  They may be totally blacked out from the rest of the world and or just too terrified to pretend/think otherwise .

Do they know how much they suffer from the hands of the monsters who control them?  How much is brain washing and how much is sheer fear?  Don't know.

If Kin and his mob were dead would the average N Korean really fight to the death?





130  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: North and South Korea on: October 16, 2017, 03:51:05 PM
" xploring it a bit further, I suspect one of the most common rejoinders, if not THE most common rejoinder, will be that once they have nuclear capability, they will no motive to initiate nuclear war and that MAD logic will take over-- and that therefore there is no need for a war of choice.  "

I assume that is the rationale of Rice/Obama  when they admit a nuclear capable NK is "not so bad"
131  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Iran on: October 16, 2017, 03:46:43 PM
We need something like Pearl Harbor to garner the political will to get  this over with.

Maybe a Havana harbor would be better, though probably not enough.

That said the N Koreans are too clever by half to let any of this happen.

So we have to sit and allow this murderous regime to threaten us with ICBMs till they can finally do it.

And of course we have those on our side who rationalize (irrationally) that the NKoreans are doing what they need to do to protect themselves.   angry







132  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Eric Holder on: October 15, 2017, 06:56:36 PM
http://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/celeb/eric-holder-net-worth/

First appointed by Ronald Reagan !! :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Holder
133  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Iran on: October 15, 2017, 06:26:45 PM
" What is the morality of waiting for North Korea to inflict a strike that could potentially kill 90% of Americans?   "

well if the target were Hollywood ...............  just kidding.
134  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Gov. Brown signs bill giving jailed felons right to vote IN JAIL on: October 15, 2017, 06:22:50 PM
   
"Gov. Brown signs bill giving jailed felons right to vote IN JAIL"

nice........       huh
135  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / The medical org I have been a member on: October 14, 2017, 08:55:33 PM
and I pay subscriptions has become a branch outlet of the Huffington Post:

http://www.acpinternist.org/archives/2017/10/why-acp-must-speak-out-against-discrimination.htm

What the hell does this have to do with health care or representing my interests ?
136  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Professor Hillary Clinton on: October 14, 2017, 06:44:57 AM
I was thinking about what courses Clinton qualifies to teach at Columbia .   Here are some of my ideas:

1)   How to pretend one is for women's rights yet stand by your philandering predatory old man like no tomorrow to save power.
2)   How to position oneself to be literally handed a seat in the Senate and then do nothing while there
3)   How to become a champion mile logger while doing nothing as Secretary of State other then compromise national security
4)   How to run for President against a man who never could get more than 45 % approval ratings and still lose
5)   And for graduate students -  how to run a criminal enterprise for many years and through mafia techniques and dirty affiliates raise 200 million dollars

6)   and finally a summer class on how to become a Columbia Professor with essentially no qualifications to teach anything legitimate
137  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the Pakistani Awan Connection on: October 13, 2017, 06:43:01 PM
"  Judicial Watch: What we have here is a failure to investigate  " 

looks like a cover up to me.
no will even among Republicans ?  obviously something there that is toxic to them on the face of it and connecting the dots.

I still want to know why Sessions is not doing anything about this or Clinton Foundation
AS Chaffetz said he is not going to look into these matters - but WHY .  I , ccp demand and answer!   (good luck with that)


I am also waiting for some clever lawyer to claim *DWS* really was an abbreviation for "dancing with the stars"

138  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Newt on: October 13, 2017, 06:41:35 PM
like asking liberals the question:
"what is it about the word ILLEGAL you do not understand?"  when talking of immigration.

Newt asks:

" What is it about 'DEATH TO AMERICA' you do not understand?"

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Gingrich-Iran-Nukes-Trump/2017/10/13/id/819585/
139  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / How to get more skilled Americans on: October 13, 2017, 02:18:46 PM
Thanks GM and Doug for your thoughtful and insightful posts.

It is not so easy, I see, for graduates to stay and also somewhat risky in a sense as they may never be able to become permanent.

Perhaps we could raise the immigration levels for proved skilled  laborers then.

However,  I really like this private solution even better long term:

 https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2017/10/12/google-give-1-billion-nonprofits-help-americans-get-jobs-new-economy/756703001/
140  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / new strategy on: October 12, 2017, 09:18:47 PM
New Trump strategy to send everything over to Congress with a order to fix or come up with a plan? 


http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/iran-decertification-trump-friday/2017/10/12/id/819390/
141  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Is this new Trump strategy on: October 12, 2017, 09:16:42 PM
To punt everything back to Congress?
Didn't he just do this with immigration ?  Daca?

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/iran-decertification-trump-friday/2017/10/12/id/819390/
142  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / now OTOH on: October 12, 2017, 06:21:04 PM
Anyone can make an accusation against someone else and suddenly it is splashed on the the internet.  How do we know  which one of these allegations  are true?  We don't.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/amazon-tv-producer-goes-public-harassment-claim-top-exec-roy-price-1048060
143  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Hollywood on stage on: October 12, 2017, 06:14:45 PM
If only the music industry could be exposed for the total fraud it is.

all of those bastards singing stolen material for Stevie Wonder to Shania Twitt.  They all know they didn't write the stuff they claim.  Total conspiracy of silence.  No law enforcement doing anything about it.  No outcry because the victims have no pull not enough money and no connections to the  entire entertainment community or the politicians or the unions all looking the other way while white collar professionals make good livings stealing intellectual property

This is how it happens that so many people look the other way.  They are bribed, want to be in it, make deals, million dollar lawyers armies, the media is part of it because they are part of the entertainment community ,  or the extraordinarily few that may be honest enough to not want to get involved simply do not get involved and come forward with the truth:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/452554/harvey-weinstein-scandal-hollywoods-silence

If only there could be a similar day of retribution in the music industry
like what we are seeing with winestine........I dream
144  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the Republicans on: October 11, 2017, 04:57:12 PM
"Automatic? No. But, when it comes to immigrants, who do you want coming here? People who will actually contribute or masses who often are illiterate in their native languages?"

Well I don't know what the proportions are now or exactly who is staying and who is not.

Either way I want them to be  legal and we need 'some' limits for all of them.

145  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the Republicans on: October 11, 2017, 04:07:01 PM
"Actually my wife has known more than a few Chinese students who got their undergrad/post grad degrees (STEM) here and wanted to stay, but left when their student visa expired and couldn't get work/resident visas."

Interesting. 

Should they all be allowed to stay?  i am NOt making a statement or taking a position one way or the other just posing the question.

If someone comes here to get a undergrad degree should they then be allowed to stay with path to citizenship automatically?

Or a graduate degree?

Thus graduating  to a US college would in effect also be getting green card etc.

 undecided
146  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the Republicans on: October 11, 2017, 03:00:54 PM
Doug
all good questions about the WSJ and about immigration splitting Republicans.

"Why are they using  a failed measure of the left, jobless rate 4.2%, when 100 million adults don't work?  "

This is a perfect example of why I don't bother with the WSJ anymore.  They don't care about average Americans .  They only care about Wall Street.  True to their name.
They sound like the globalists and the Facebook and Google CEOs who are looking out for the business interests.   
------------------------------------------------------
But I don't understand what you mean here:

"And why is the Trump side opposed to bring the best and the brightest in, especially when they hold the screening controls?"

Are you saying Trump is restricting the best and brightest?  I don't see that. Look at our academic institutions.  They are *loaded* with foreign born.   And now the children of foreign born.

Did you see the Asian American lawsuit against Harvard?  They are claiming they are being discriminated against because they are Asian .  If true half the staff of Harvard should be Chinese.    So Trump may not be the ones restricting them. 

What great scientist can you name that has not been able to work in the US?   
147  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Obama library - where one can play hoops on: October 10, 2017, 10:45:15 AM
According to the Chicago Tribune, the Obama library seems more like a playland, than a presidential archive. The facility will house, “a children’s play garden, sledding hill, green spaces for picnics and outdoor gatherings, basketball courts and even a recording studio,” the paper reported.
148  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / flu is here on: October 10, 2017, 08:47:34 AM
Flu season has started so you or your loved ones may want to get the flu vaccine if haven't yet.
149  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: social justice wars , SJW warriors, gender warriors , victimhood on: October 10, 2017, 05:47:15 AM
jornolisters:

VP Pence walk out was a "stunt"

                                     cost tax payers

 
Aren't players kneeling during the anthem *stunts*?

What would a rational person call that?
150  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / This could go under other threads but I put here on: October 09, 2017, 07:15:12 AM
media complicit in protecting a Crat's seat:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/452444/robert-menendez-tim-murphy-republican-scandal-always-gets-more-coverage
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