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2951  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / The cans have to emphasize this in my opinion on: May 08, 2013, 11:41:52 AM
Interesting piece along with some Fox news displays of leftists arguing we should do away with the concept of marriage altogether.  WE can redefine marriage between two People for now whether homo or hetero before we move to the next step in the progression of arguing against marriage altogether.  We are all wards of a collectivism with rules and regulations dictated by a single worldly government.

So there will be no nuclear family as we know it.  We are like on the Kibbutz.  Children raised in collective gov controlled societies.

Folks this is a science fiction nightmare.  How can we get the average American to see this?  Would even the immigrants from socialistic societies be ok with this?  Are our young this stupid to see what they are giving into?

Why can't the republicans get their message straight?  How do we stop the Axelrod machine from lying about their intentions.   Obama poking fun at those who call him a socialist - as though he is not and they are crazy.
2952  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Health Thread (nutrition, medical, longevity, etc) on: May 08, 2013, 11:30:07 AM
"My solution was simple.  No more of this stuff!"

Thank goodness.   I hope the board continues for another 50 yrs!  Smiley)

Sometimes sedatives or hypnotics can unmask or worsen an underlying sleep apnea problem.

 
2953  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / doctor in training with hepatitis B on: May 05, 2013, 02:19:23 PM
If my understanding is correct the present medical community thinking is surgeons who carry blood born transmissible diseases such as Hepatitis B or C or HIV should be allowed to practice their craft being that there is a bidirectional duty to protect themselves and their patients with proper precautions.   Sterile technique gloves etc.  In practice it has not been rare though it seems the exception for me to see patients getting HIV test  before surgery.  I am not sure who ordered the tests or why but I suspect it was the surgeon looking to protect him/herself.   Yet I have never heard of an infected surgeon disclosing to a prospective patient that he or she is infected.   One can argue the surgeon has the right to privacy and to not be discriminated against.  But I would err on the side that the patient has the right to know they are or might be at increased risk to contract a chronic infection by undergoing an invasive procedure from an infected surgeon.    Indeed, I frankly take the position that an infected person has no business performing procedures on patients.   Would I or you or anyone in their right mind want someone to do a bloody procedure such as opening your belly or your chest etc if I you knew the surgeon was HIV positive.  Gloves will not protect from an accidental scalpel cut.   On the other hand I see no reason why someone cannot be a doctor in a nonsurgical specialty.

http://news.yahoo.com/feds-hepatitis-b-no-barrier-health-practice-144109082.html
2954  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Health Thread (nutrition, medical, longevity, etc) on: May 05, 2013, 01:39:21 PM
"but found out it tends to suppress breathing"

Raises concern for sleep apnea.  Please look into this if not already done. 
2955  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Cato Institute: Privatization of Social Security? on: May 04, 2013, 11:57:46 AM
Instead of my rambling in a somewhat unorganized fashion here is one post from a think tank.  I will try to explore more on these sites.

http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/articles/gokhale_article.pdf
2956  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed on: May 04, 2013, 11:43:35 AM
Good points Crafty.  I think Bobby Jindal alludes to the same thing.  You have to love all the people or something like that. 

But you bring up other related points.  Can we afford for people to continue retiring at early ages?  Can we continue spending on benefits?  Med and SS account for the lions share so I read.

The whole concept that government should take care of us and that people are entitled is flawed as I think you and most on this board would agree.

How do we fight against the push for more and more.  Education should be an entitlement.  Health care for all.  Birth control.    Retirement. 

And how can taxpayers, like me, not resent having to pay for all this.  I am supposed to love all the people going on the dole?

JG takes the salesman angle.  Or how to make friends .....   Or Zig Ziglar type sale.  Find something we have in common and win them over.  But isn't the lowest price going to win most of the time?

How do we combat envy?  When we see Wall Street and Washington and Hollywood rolling in so much money they can't spend it fast enough?

I have no problem with successful, lucky or brilliant people getting rich.  I am jealous but I want the chance to do the same.  What I do wish for is that the wealthy only get the way by the same rules we all have to put up with.  WE know the rules are not the same for many of these folks.  I don't need to reiterate how corrupt and dishonest and criminal the entertainment industry is. 

I really think the Repblicans can combat class envy better if they would just acknowledge corruption (and not just drugs and mafia and street crime but in politics, in wall street, in media, etc) and make a case that we need to enforce existing rules, we need better white collar crime enforcement etc perhaps we could get over the envy and soak the rich mentality.

I do ramble myself .  I could make formulating a more organized plan a full time job.  I enjoy brain storming though.

2957  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / conservative think tanks/webites on: May 03, 2013, 09:10:03 PM
I haven't had a chance to go into these but here are names in a list that I hear about but know little beyond the titles:

http://usconservatives.about.com/od/conservativepolitics101/tp/Top-Conservative-Web-Sites.htm
2958  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed on: May 03, 2013, 09:04:14 PM
Some good points but a bit rambling which truthfully I find myself doing when I try to organize a strategy in my mind for Republicans.

But this "One way you persuade people to become more conservative is to explain to them how conservative they already are and build out from there"

is in sync with what Rove et al are getting at when they speak how conservative Latinos are.  They are family oriented religious etc.  So clearly they are figuring how to reach them as voters from this angle.  I just don't know how we can compete with cold hard cash.

I doubt most vote their cultural beliefs anyway.  Most of vote our wallets.  It is the economy stupid.

I am not saying cold cash is specific to Latinos or any other cultural or ethnic group.  It seems to be related to economic class.  "The 47 %"  whether English Spanish white black red yellow etc.  If 47 % pay no fed income tax they will continue to vote for others to pay.  So how do we combat that? 

But what are the cultural wars?  Are we just talking abortion and gay marriage?

Family as the nuclear unit?

Doing to our neighbor as we would like done to us?

How about honesty?

Faithfulness?

Law abiding?

Personal responsibility?

But what does any of this have to do with Democrats confiscating wealth to buy votes?  That is the reason most people vote.  Isn't that obvious?
2959  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Merck and GSK new class of sleep medicines on: May 03, 2013, 08:37:10 PM
works on different brain receptors than existing medicines:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/03/suvorexant-side-effects-sleeping-_n_3008709.html#slide=1328563
2960  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Immigration issues on: May 03, 2013, 07:17:05 PM
Crafty , I agree with you ; it is that simple.  To clarify what I meant about Ronald Reagan in my last post;

The issues with Reagan  are:

1) that spending also skyrocketed during his administration.  He seemed to have no problem signing the Democrat big spending bills. 

2) RR also apparently trusted (without verifying) that the borders would be sealed.   Never trust a Democrat.   They will always come back to squeeze more.  OTOH perhaps many Republicans didn't push for border control either playing favor for their farmer constituents (cheap labor doing the back breaking field work).

3) RR said and did nothing while the savings and loan disaster hemorrhaged money.  Then that amount of money seemed like an unbelievable amount .  Today it is pocket change.

Fast forward to today.

I guess Rove et. al. believe the best course of action is to go along with amnesty then move forward trying to win the hearts and minds of these newly legal illegals.  Fat chance they have of competing with cold hard taxpayer cash endlessly offered by the Dem party to buy these off these new voters.

I guess I don't have a better answer as Doug once asked on this thread. 

Until a crash bangs people over the head that the party spending taxpayer money is over.
2961  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Rubio responds on: May 03, 2013, 09:28:26 AM
With the most cynical view possible.  However,  I have posted I think the same thing.  Obama WILL grant amnesty. 
Based on this view he is probably correct.  We have little choice.  Again the readily apparent the precedent Ronald Reagan set was a disaster in the making.  In a way he was/is overrated.   

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/rubio-pitch-conservatives-immigration-reform-don-t-act-140103261.html
2962  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Immigration issues on: May 03, 2013, 08:57:44 AM
"All indications are that Obama, Schumer, Durbin, Pelosi et al want an issue for 2014, not a solution in 2013.  That makes the GOP negotiating strategy harder, if not impossible.  MHO."

Doug,

You could be right.  I admit conservatives appear to be nearly surrounded on this issue.   I don't here them making a good case that the issue is not racial though.  Every time the issue is brought up it is all about the Spanish.  It is not.  We have I read estimates of 50 K Irish in NY here illegally.  Does anyone in NJ think all these Asians many of whom work in the back of the thousands of Chinese restaurants are all legal?  And to be politically correct (I am Jewish after all) perhaps some of the Israelis are not legal that I meet. 


I don't hear enough people saying it is not about race or country of origin.  It is about the right of the US citizens being able to decide how many people get here and their qualifications based on clean law enforcement records, demonstration ethical work behavior, or some work skill, maybe not ten dependent children ready to apply for food stamps and welfare etc. 

Just wondering.  If brock grants amnesty to the illegals will they have the right to vote?   If yes, then I would shocked if he doesn't do it.

Listening to talk radio a lot on the right are outraged over Rubio.  I am more forgiving.  But one thing recent history has taught us - never ever trust a Democrat politician.

How in the world can one make a deal with any of the above four names?  They have NO honor.  They are all demonstrated serial pathologic liars.  I don't understand why honesty is not a job requirement for Senators and Presidents.  Everything I was taught growing up about this is turned inside out.   Where did this get lost?

2963  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / propaganda on: May 02, 2013, 12:07:14 PM
I am not sure if this is a legitimate topic or not.  I guess this could go under political rants.   At a time where out country is divided. This book review from the Economist is perhaps a timely reminder that politics has always been a fight for the hearts, minds, and votes and often pocketbooks of voters - in a Democracy or Republic. 

The biggest problem is sorting out "propaganda" from truth.  If it is truth is it propaganda?  And one person's truth can be considered another's propaganda muddling it all even further.   Michael Savage correctly calls David Axelrod a political genius for using propaganda to its max.   I am thinking that the difference between him and Rove is Axelrod's willingness and to be more ruthless, with little concern for truth and transparency.

Some would argue (wrongly in my view) that Rove is just the other side of the same coin.  But I take the position of radio host Aaron Klein who argues the biggest threat to the US is not China, not Jihad, but the leftist movement from within. 

In any case, back to "propaganda":

http://www.economist.com/news/books-and-arts/21576641-fine-account-bloody-early-battle-shots-heard-round-world
2964  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Some thoughts on: May 02, 2013, 10:42:40 AM
" If there is no path ever, the issue remains front and center forever."

mea culpa?

I see it differently.  We "compromise" now only to continue having to go on defensive again.

The moderate Republican (rhino) keeps compromising thinking that will ease the relentless progressive march.  Instead it allows their political movement to step forward plant there footing down from a new more strategically "forward" position from which they will continue their campaign to press towards the end game.  One world government in charge and in control of the world.   Until Republicans can get the low information voters to understand they are giving away our freedom I  would have to agree with Marc Levin - we stand and hold our ground.  I f I believed the Repubs present leaders truly believed we take a temporary defensive fall back position so we can come back and fight another day (perhaps many years from now) then I might reluctantly support them.  I really don't have that kind of faith or confidence of the insightfulness of the Bushes, Roves and the Boehners.  I used to be more moderate until it hit me like a sledgehammer during a Jeff Sachs speech at my nephews graduation at Lehigh some yrs ago about which I posted my experience here. 

Just as shocking was the fact that my nephew and his two brothers didn't even think it was a political speech.  ONe even worked for Romney.  He now works for Bobby Jindal.   It appears the young generation is being duped.  They are too young and at this time perhaps too idealistic.  Perhaps also bribed for loans and "free" health care to age 26.  Wait till they get older and they themselves have to pay for this care Have to deal with high taxation, sit and watch benefits fly from their wallets to a larger and expanding segment of the population.  Wait till the reality hits them the progressive movement wants to transfer their freedom and their money to the world.  That is the end game.  People on the board know it.  But these youngsters appear ignorant of what is going on.  History repeats itself because the generations over time forget.  Humanity keeps reclycling.

We give in now to the "11" million illegals, then swallow up their families -  I say the compromise has to come from eliminating almost all government benefits - not just to them but to us here. 

We can't just keep giving out endless dollars.  And yes the rest of us WILL have to work to 70 before expecting SS. 

I am hopeful.  The progressives cannot continue this forever before there is a huge wake up call.  I don't know if it will take a crash.  And in any case what arises from the rubble of such a crash is unclear.  Certainly the Bushes and Roves and Boehners don't have a vision.   They are detail men.  I don't think they have a real plan for us.   A back peddling defensive position on the Spanish vote won't work .  The Democrats will just keep up the drive to buy them out with more benefits. 
2965  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Slave uprisings on: May 01, 2013, 11:32:11 AM
And betrayel..... a subject I have become expert in:

http://www.theroot.com/views/were-there-slaves-stephen-django
2966  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Housing/Mortgage/Real Estate on: May 01, 2013, 11:18:29 AM
right up Brock's socialist alley.
2967  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / GM losing money on E cars on: May 01, 2013, 11:15:34 AM
I put this under government programs.   I notice a lot of liberal media blowback about gasoil potential (through fracking) in the form of recent articles about the "huge" potential of electric cars, methane, biofuels, wind and still with the solar.

****GM Still Taking Taxpayers for a Ride

By Rich Duprey  | More Articles  | Save For Later     
May 1, 2013 | Comments (9) 


Last September when Reuters calculated that General Motors (NYSE: GM  ) was losing almost $50,000 on every Chevy Volt it sold the carmaker was apoplectic with indignation at the "grossly wrong" numbers being thrown around. Sure they were losing money, every new technological advance does, but as they built more cars and then released Volt 2.0 they would become profitable.

Well, GM has certainly built more Volts over the last six months or so and they've even sold a few more, too, but then so has Tesla Motors (NASDAQ: TSLA  ) and Nissan (NASDAQOTH: NSANY  ) . In fact Tesla sold more of its all-electric Model S cars in the first quarter of the year than GM did with its Volt, and Nissan turned itself around enough so that its LEAF outsold the Volt in March.

We'll get the April sales numbers in a day or so to see if any traction has been made as spring has gotten under way, and if GM was able to recover from March sales plunging 35%. One thing hasn't changed month to month and that is that the Volt is still a money-losing proposition for GM and for the taxpayers who bailed it out.

In a presentation yesterday, CEO Dan Akerson admitted GM is still losing money on every Volt sold and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. So what's the solution? Not to admit defeat, that's for sure, at least certainly not when the taxpayer is still nominally footing the bill for your company. Nope, what you do is double down and say you're going to make even more of your money-losing cars than you did before and you're going to make them even cheaper than they are now!

Akerson didn't say how much GM was losing on each Volt, but he did say that if it ever hoped to make a profit on them the carmaker would need to cut as much as $10,000 from the cost of production. That, however, won't be happening until the next-gen model is introduced, which won't be until 2015 or 2016 at the earliest.

The already heavily subsidized Volt starts at less than $40,000 before a $7,500 tax credit kicks in. Last year the Congressional Budget Office estimated that the government's efforts to foist electric vehicles on a public that doesn't really want them will cost taxpayers $7.5 billion through 2019, including grants of $2.4 billion to lithium-ion-battery makers (you know, like bankrupt A123 Systems and Ener1). So how GM will be able to take that much cost out of building the Volt without eliminating any of its features is anyone's guess.

Despite generous rebates, ridiculously low leasing offers, and using fleet sales to juice monthly sales numbers the Volt remains rather unpopular among the car-buying public. In the meantime, though, taxpayers can enjoy the ride GM is taking them on.


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2968  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Health Thread (nutrition, medical, longevity, etc) on: April 28, 2013, 10:43:13 PM
Agreed but I am not clear who is the winner(s).  I am afraid I have NEVER made money in an health stock.  I lost in corixa.  I lost with inhaled insulin.  Biomira. Pain therapeutics.
I read vivus drug was great for weight loss and almost bought at ten only to chicken out and a few days later it doubled when drug approved. 

Gilead sounds good but the train has left the station it seems.  I watched Sanofi fall to low 30's after its Plavix patent expired thinking it was a good buy.  I was right .  It is now in 50s.  Of course I didn't buy it. cry
2969  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / hepatitis C on: April 28, 2013, 03:17:15 PM
twenty five years ago hepatitis C wasn't even discovered.  We used to call it non-AnonB hepatitis and we used to infer a person was infected from the abnormal liver tests.  Since then we have discovered and characterized the virus produced a test to find if a person is infected and developed marginally good albeit getting better treatments.   Soon it will be curable or long term controllable like HIV.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/hepatitis-c-treatment-cures-abbvie_n_3139989.html

If only we had treatments for the common cold.
2970  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Politics of Health Care on: April 28, 2013, 03:01:30 PM
The new health care law mandates that primary care doctors who accept Medicaid patients are guaranteed to be paid the Medicare rates for 2013 and 2014.  After that probably the states will be squeezed as we will be though the Politburo is silent at this time.

I signed up and just got credentialed.   I thought I was all set.  Usually when one signs on to a health plan there is a dozen or so pages of "rules".

Then I was sent the rules regarding Medicaid in NJ.  It is a good size box with what looks like hundreds of pages of regulations and rules and Lord knows what else.   Additionally our office was recently informed it will months before we see any money regardless.
2971  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / This bacteria is highly resistant to all known antibiotics on: April 27, 2013, 12:48:00 PM
Another health threat.

It is still contained but if it gets into community settings like MSRA has there will be big problems.  No antibiotics are consistently effective for this and the death rate is reported at 50%.  I've read the development of new antibiotics are several years away at least.   

http://www.cdc.gov/HAI/organisms/cre/
2972  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Economist - time for Supreme Court to scrap affirmative action on: April 27, 2013, 12:36:25 PM
Damn - just when I was about to become a minority as a white man.  After 10 of millions of illegals are granted amnesty.  Why stop at 33 million amnesties?  Why not simply replace the ENTIRE work force of the United Staes with poorer people from around the world who would love to come here work harder for less?  But I digress:

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21576662-governments-should-be-colour-blind-time-scrap-affirmative-action
2973  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / white house "media" celebrity show on: April 27, 2013, 12:28:08 PM
Anyone else here find the White House correspondents dinner is a disgusting show of corruption in Washington?  Is there ever going to be a President who will be above this and refuse to show up?  Or are they all afraid of media blowback?

http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2013/04/27/white-house-correspondents-dinner-is-a-disgrace-to-the-news-media/comment-page-1/
2974  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / change your membership on: April 17, 2013, 04:50:23 PM
Ms Grossman, may I suggest you get rid of Ms mag and join this group:

http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2011/04/title-ix-sexual-assault-directive-has.html
2975  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Politics of Health Care on: April 13, 2013, 09:40:04 PM
I wonder if brother David is also a decorated war veteran like his brother who according to Marc Levin is asking for campaign donations to fight for the gun control in the memory of the Conneticut massacre.
2976  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / The Blumenthal brothers - like Emanuals - brothers politburo supremo on: April 13, 2013, 09:33:52 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/richard_Blumenthal

I only recently realized that David is this guy's brother.  Another politician health care politburo brother duo like the Emanuels.
2977  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: US Economics, the stock market , and other investment/savings strategies on: March 28, 2013, 12:03:39 PM
Well I have no idea what Mort Zuckerman is talking about that foreigners coming here for education are not staying her.

Here in NJ the entire health field, technology IT, university system is plumb with people from Asia, and Africa.  So what is he talking about.

These people are hungrier than those of us who are born here.  Except for the children of these foreigners who are often taught the value of extraordinary hard work compared to us who are taught to expect handouts. 

Unfornutately many of these same people who work like demons are also Democrats.  It seems the Asians are thus since after the civil rights acts of the 60's.  While many believe in work ethic they also believe they have been wronged by the Whites, I guess.

And many do come from countries where votes are bought like the Crats do here.

Combine that with a Republican party that apparently protects labor coming here because this helps keep wages down and we have a perfect storm.


2978  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Fascism, liberal fascism, progressivism, socialism: on: March 26, 2013, 05:53:06 PM
One correction "sin"-- this has had bad consequences for public health (Aids ...)

Whoa!  I didn't know sexual "deregulation" [gays] transmitted AIDS - I thought Ronald Reagan did.
2979  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Emanuel on: March 26, 2013, 05:46:23 PM
BTW:

He just happens to have a book about three "remarkable" brothers:

www.economist.com/news/books-and-at/21573953-raising-three-remarkable-children-brother-sarms
2980  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Politics of Health Care on: March 26, 2013, 05:41:59 PM
Follow up to previous post.  Went to meeting of the New Jersey american college of physicians few weeks ago and listened to Ezekiel's talk.

Basically he starts with a bunch of charts and graphs describing what we all know - health care costs are going up and are unsustainable.

His prescription is basically for provider groups to form and control costs by monitoring what they do "outcomes" and basically what managed care has been doing for decades now.   I guess the difference is really now the politburo types are requiring we do it on industrial scale with industrial level quality control with reems of data, measurements, more data of the data more measurements and every penny counted.  He gave one example from a gourp of several hundred physcians Caremont though I don't remember where they are located and I haven't looked into it - yet.

Supposedly they cut costs while increasing the bottom line.  Thus this is a model for all.

He also explains the cost rising is down form over 2% to around 0.8%.  Of course he is suggesting he and the rest of the politburo are responsible for cost savings - not that the economy is so bad for most people they can't aford their co pays their deductables their premiums and neither can as many employers.

I only had a chance for one question so I asked him about Clay Christiansens theory that Nurse Practitioners will supplant primary care doctors and it is inevitable and no stopping it.  He said PCP's are not replaceabale by nurses and that he doesn't think that would happen - though we are clearly seeing that trend.

He doesn't believe that there is a doctor shortage.  Indeed I agree with him on that.  There probably is a shortage of a few specialties and doctors in some low income urban areas or in the boondocks but certainly not in the north east and probably the West coast.

Indded if any group feels threateneed by the low wages of illegals /legal immigrants no where is this felt more than in health care.

All we see here are doctors born everywhrere else.  The schools of course also like to play the shortage gimmack so they can get more money to churn more graduates out and the nursing programs the same.

Getting back to Emanuel his personality is the same as his brother Rahm.    He ran out after one question after mine.  I guess he had his next speaking engagement.l
2981  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Media Issues on: March 04, 2013, 09:09:47 PM
I agree Bigdog contributes a lot to the forum.  Hope you stay and continue doing the same.

I apologize if I sounded personal.

This is the media thread so I guess I took my frustration with the MSM here.
2982  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Media Issues on: March 02, 2013, 09:16:16 PM
The purported full context of the email does place the two sentences that sound like threats open to interpretation.
However, I think that the even larger context of Woodward's career, coupled with Davis' assertion he had the exact same concerns that this is not normal behavior coming from WH operatives.   These Washington insiders both perceived this as some sort of threat.   

There are myriad ways to make someone's life miserable without "breaking kneecaps".

It takes a lot of guts to go up against the WH.  It is less plausible to think he made these public statements in order to sell more copies of his book.

Indeed, reading Sperling's long winded comments sound more like a desperate attempt to muzzle Woodward.  And while he is trying hard to make nice to him Sperling slips and out of exasperation advertently or inadvertently makes it clear he ain't just begging Woodward to keep quiet.    He will be sorry.   

Bidog if your not a liberal - I apologize.  If you are, I guess I could have called you worse. .... A Nazi....A Republican.


 
2983  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Woodward obviously beleived this was a threat on: March 02, 2013, 01:02:54 PM
Bigdog,

I don't think that email exchange, if accurate exonerates Sperling and his boss.

Remember.  The GOP operatives did NOT START this.  Woodward did.  He, who is hardly a conservative, who has been a big Washington insider for decades makes it very clear he saw this as a veiled threat.  Than we have Lanny Davis come out publically and make the same case.  And the rumor mill has it that others have also had the same experience.

The left wing political media complex is out in full throttle attacking Woodward.  Like Sperling clearly without mistake as to meaning said, "you will regret" this.

So you and other libs can whitewash it.  I think your post endorses Woodward's case.

In his forty years of reporting and journalism I don't think Woodward has made this case except probably going back to the Nixon era.  He didn't back down than and I doubt he will now.  The difference he was darling of the media then.  Now HE is made the villain.   You can't see the difference?

Or you choose not to?
2984  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Media Issues on: February 28, 2013, 10:06:10 AM
"right"  This comes from the ONE himself.  Time to stop circling wagons by saying, oh it is just some staffer and of course if the ONE new he would put a stop to it immediately.  Maybe it comes from Michelle who we once recall said she was ashamed of our country who now can't seem to get enough wealth glory basking with the celebrities and the circuit.

I wish she would cover her arms and chest more.   Her face is attractive though
2985  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Health Thread (nutrition, medical, longevity, etc) on: February 28, 2013, 10:01:38 AM
Interesting but is clearly political.

First in medicine we don't view epidemiological findings as "proof".  A real scientist would know this.   It generally results to a hypothesis that is then later tested in double blind placebo controlled trials that try to avid the bias this author OBVIOUSLY has.

Second.  Who the heck is PLoS?  It is some sort of scientific "advocacy" group.   Sounds like the climate change crowd.   The same crowd that would like to regulate our daily lives.

I am not aware that this is any legitimate journal.

Third, I don't see any mention of genetic differences between countries.  For example it is well know Latinos and Asians have much higher rates of diabetes even at lower weights.  Could it be partly due high rice and maybe sugar intake - yes.   But there is likely a genetic component as well. 

I would say this study which I have not reviewed, if well done, as claimed, is interesting but nothing more.

Of course, I am sure this pseudoscientist who seems to know how to promote his numbers game as some sort of definitive Earth shattering discovery, would be very pleased to get a couple hundred grand from Axelrod and corp to "study" this further.

I like to call a spade - a spade.
2986  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: US Economics, the stock market , and other investment/savings strategies on: February 28, 2013, 06:20:35 AM
The article stops short of specifically suggesting the best way to invest assuming his thesis is correct that we are more of a stagflation period and not bull market.

2987  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Politics of Health Care on: February 28, 2013, 05:54:10 AM
Doug I appreciate your thoughts.  I am a smaller government guy.  I will let the board know if anything interesting comes up at  the meeting.

Like Steve Forbes and others have said.  Better to recommend stocks then to follow one's own advice. More money to be made that way.

Ezekiel Emanuel must have thought the same thing.  Better to tell the country's health industry what to do rather than have to follow his own advise.  Less painful and certainly he must be making a much bigger bundle.

He is an Emanuel after all.   Another do-gooder who will save us from ourselves.

In April in Atlantic City I see Newt is going to speak about his thoughts on health care.  

Somehow I suspect both will say similar things . The difference will only be who enforces the transformation (rams it down our throats).   The private or public payers?   So far it is both.
2988  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: February 28, 2013, 05:47:31 AM
"“I think if Obama himself saw the way they’re dealing with some of this, he would say, ‘Whoa, we don’t tell any reporter ‘you’re going to regret challenging us.’ ”

Yet even after all this Woodward still buckles and gives cover to the ONE.  The same ONE who said "we reward our friends and punish our enemies".   It all sounds like Obama strategy and unwritten policy to me.
Obama's only lament would be the aide made this threat in a verifiable email rather then a "he said she said" verbal conversation.  
2989  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / INteresting take on Calvin Coolidge on: February 28, 2013, 04:25:05 AM
Very politically incorrect.   Liberals would be pissed.   This guy was more Reagan than Reagan:

http://www.economist.com/news/books-and-arts/21572176-americas-30th-president-has-been-much-misunderstood-when-less-led-more
2990  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Politics of Health Care on: February 20, 2013, 11:33:06 PM
Ezekiel Emanuel - one of the politburo's hand chosen IVY members will be a speaker at a meeting I am going to on March 8.

Anyone want me to ask him anything or have comments?

He is the ex oncologist who became a policy politburo member because he thought he could help more patients that way - so I am told.   Another Saint.  I wonder how much he gets to give the speech.  I am sure it is all for charity.
2991  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed on: February 20, 2013, 11:29:34 PM
The Republicans on the cable shows keep going after Obama.  I think this is off the mark. 
The target is too narrow.  They should not go after him.  They must go after all leaders of the Democrat Party.

I mean Hillary is on deck while she begins a speaking tour just like Bill did for her in 2008 ; a quarter million a pop.

If we focus only on Brock we will miss the rest of the enemy assault.



2992  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / My use of the noun Politburo on: February 20, 2013, 11:23:06 PM
for big government that is controlled by party members in the dem party, and our liberal universities and have unilaterally decided religion, guns, soda, endless taxation, bigger government oversight and intrusion into our lives is a good thing all  the while progressing towards the end goal of total single government domination of all of humanity has been hijacked by
Bob Woodward and misapplied to Karl Rove group.

The only think keeping the liberal politburo in power is the continuously refined calculations on how to bribe just enough coalitions of voters to stay in power.
2993  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The death of the rule of law on: February 04, 2013, 09:15:38 PM
Enough is enough.  Our money is our money.

Stop stealing it from us.

Folks we need a crash.  That is the only thing that will wake up enough people.

The f* mass propaganda media will have to address the corruptness of it all. angry
2994  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Immigration issues on: February 04, 2013, 09:09:28 PM
The factions on the left or more mobilized than ever.  Surely the illegals are a potential big boon for the Democrat party.

It is interesting how the union leadership has caved for the good of their the other half of their party machine - the democrat party.

Basically cave on immigration throwing all you union members into the garbage can making them have to compete with hungrier more motivated people just to pray you turn these new immigrants into new members thus keeping the union mobsters in charge keeping their power while the rank and file members now get pay cuts just trying to compete.

The Blacks are so in love with the Democrat party machine and so despised of the Republicans that they spite themselves the same way by giving it all away to newer kids on the block.

I guess they are too drunk with new power at the highest levels of a national party they can't see the forest for the trees.

Republicans ought to hit these two themes above very hard.

I say  we teach, we preach, we spell it out front and center.   So what do the republicans have to offer?  A free country where anyone has a chance.  Not one controlled by a politburo of cronies, corrupted politicians, smart aleck academics telling all of us what is good for us.      Who the hell are they to keep shoving it down our throats.

Humanity is not as a whole a god damn machine.    We are people.   I don't want to be told what to do by progressives from birth to death.
2995  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / John Bolton does it on: February 01, 2013, 10:06:20 PM
To my knowledge Mr. Bolton is the first prominent person to say the ONLY way to stop Iran from going nuclear is to use military force.
Sanctions will NOT work.
I think he was on Greta's show around two days ago.
Thank God - someone finally said it!  What we have been saying it on this board for years.
Contrast this to the Hill[billy] - the military option has always (a lie) been "on the table".
2996  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Rest in Peace on: February 01, 2013, 09:54:18 PM
I too was saddened to learn of his death.

He was one of the few Democrats who I truly admired.

2997  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Immigration issues on: January 31, 2013, 09:23:00 AM
Don't think the immigrants will vote for Rubio.

Maybe some Vietnamese became Republican when they came over on boats but the majority of the rest are all Dems.

The majority of later immigrants and certainly illegals will vote Dem no matter what.

I have not seen any hope this will turn around.  We are an entitlement country/society now.

Only a crash.  Only when the pain is too much.  Only hope.

O'Reilly is right and Krauthammer wrong.   The country has shifted left of center.

IF one cable announcement today is Obama is at 60% approval there IS no other explanation.
2998  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: European matters on: January 31, 2013, 09:11:08 AM
We don't need a separate "European" thread anymore.  Just include into the government programs thread.
2999  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left on: January 31, 2013, 09:09:49 AM
I would also add the "right" to retire is guaranteed.

There is no higher service, no greater good, no more honorable thing one could do than to serve in the government.

We are the people of for and by the government. sad
3000  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Political Rants & interesting thought pieces on: January 27, 2013, 09:43:24 PM
"This is a chillingly familiar set of grievances; and its recrudescence was foreseen by the Founders. They realized that King George was not an individual case, but the inevitable outcome of unfettered power; that any person or group with the power to tax, to form laws, and to enforce them by arms will default to dictatorship, absent the constant unflagging scrutiny of the governed, and their severe untempered insistence upon compliance with law."

Yes.  I think the Republicans, or at least the Conservative ones are evolving their message that I hope will resonate with more people than those of us already in the choir.  (I am a convert! grin)

While the left tries to point to the private sector rich and powerful (unless one is a liberal Democrat - they get a "pass"; like Hollywood; like Buffett) we can point to Washington DC.   Rush pointed this out the other day as I posted.  Hannity who I admittedly shied away from for being too "unobjective" if you will, did a great show this weekend on Fox.  The richest county in the US is DC.  Seven of the top richest counties in the entire country are surrounding DC.   Multiple members of the Houses have family members getting rich as lobbyists.   

IF anyone has driven around DC knows there are a lot of slums.  So the fact that it is still the richest county in the US says a lot.  (Actually is DC really a county?)

Maybe the Repubs can have some success at turning the !% argument against the left with the corruption of the ruling government elite
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