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3001  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Health Thread (nutrition, medical, longevity, etc) on: November 08, 2010, 03:23:24 PM
"As best as I can tell the use of massive and rampant antibiotics by the cattle and poultry industries contributes mightily to the evolution of resistant bacteria."

Crafty,
I wasn't sure of the answer as what little I have read was somewhat conflicting (I guess who you believe - industry vs. health? perhaps).  so I looked up what the Infectious Disease experts think and found this interesting piece from just a couple of months ago.  Apparently the Infectious Disease Society agree that this IS a major challenge:

http://74.6.238.254/search/srpcache?ei=UTF-8&p=infectious+disease+society+and+anitibiotics+in+animal+feed&fr=yfp-t-892&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=infectious+disease+society+and+anitibiotics+in+animal+feed&d=4619121507896288&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=45a244dc,b5e12604&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=YhkxtDuX1nqnjxJJgS1HQg--

Two good things to this topic.  It is much easier for me to tell a patient I don't think an antibiotic will help them and not have to be pressured into prescribing it - then it used to be.  It appears patients are becoming much more atuned to overuse of antibiotics. 

Another is that doctors and nurses are doing better at reducing hospital infections.  At least where I am.
A relative asked me if I wear a lab coat and I said no but I wear a tie.  She then fired back that either is shown to increase spread of infections.  Shortly afterwards in the local newspaper there was an article pointing out the same thing.  So I figured you know what?  The hell with the tie!  If everyone is pissed that I am spreading germs that are killing people I won't wear a tie.  I hated it anyway.  It was obviously invented by a man hating woman.  Just like a woman hating man must have invented the high heel.
3002  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Health Thread (nutrition, medical, longevity, etc) on: November 06, 2010, 01:55:14 PM
***One reason is that antibiotics are typically taken for a week or two and usually cure the patient. While that makes them cost-effective for the health system, it also makes them less lucrative to drug companies than medicines for diseases like cancer or diabetes, which might be taken for months, or even for life, because they do not cure the patient.

“There’s this perverse disincentive against antibiotics because they work so well,” said J. Kevin Judice, chief executive of Achaogen.***

Well the other half is that the cost of getting a drug to market is enormous.  Around a billion dollars.  If we want perfectly safe and effective drugs then that is the cost.
Yet if we find some side effect of a drug not first known years later we get reams of law firms looking to protect our legal rights advertising all over the TV to call them.

****But so far there is little consumer support. “We don’t have any patient groups for Acinetobacter,” said Robert J. Guidos, the society’s vice president for public policy and government relations, referring to a drug-resistant bacterium. Patient groups concerned about superbugs tend to focus on reducing the spread of infections in hospitals. ***

Can't sue a bacterium like one can sue a hospital.  Yet I do agree we in the health field did need to do more to prevent spread and stop over use of antibiotics.

***Mr. Brennan, whose company is still in the antibiotic business, said that at a minimum, new antibiotics should be given longer protection from generic competition to make up for the fact that they are used sparingly when they go on sale. “Give us more time at the back end,” he said.****

I couldn't agree more.
Time is not on our side. It could take a decade to get a drug through the morass of the regulatory process.  In the 90's we made the process for drug approval faster.  Then we had a few issues with bextra, and a fenfluramine and some others drug side effects and the pundits then screamed the gov is not doing enough to protect us so now it is back the other way.  (The fenflurimne mess was a sickening case in point.  Every single heart valve for everyone who ever took the drug was checked and any abnormality at all was grounds to get money from the settlement. Lawyers, cardiologists, patients were all literally making things up, lying and defrauding and everything else to get to the cash.  Cardiologist were reading echo reports claiming it was abnormal when it wasn't.  There wre mills  It was sickening.  A joke.  Sad. I don't know why these people cannot get thrown in jail for insurance fraud)

We could easily have another bacteria that could be resistant to everything and  the potential to spread like wild fire.

And on one hand while the world is obviously far "smaller" than it was in the 1300s and the potential for spread much easier and far faster (minutes, and not weeks or months or years) we also undertand far more about how to prevent spread, quarantine, hygiene, etc so I doubt we would see another "Black Death". But could I or anyone guarantee it - no - of course not.
3003  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Mort Zuckerman on: November 06, 2010, 11:45:56 AM
A rare Democrat who will publically state the obvious:

http://politics.usnews.com/opinion/mzuckerman/articles/2010/11/05/mort-zuckerman-americas-love-affair-with-obama-is-over.html
3004  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: November 06, 2010, 09:21:00 AM
Rarick,  You are probably right.

For a laugh the Indians are shocked to find Bamster uses a teleprompter. smiley  Where is that little squirt Anderson Cooper keeping Bamster honest about his use of a script.
The MSM had no problem going after Sarah with cribb notes on her hand yet almost no poking fun at THIER hero in chief about his "cheating" when he speaks:

Obama to use teleprompter for Hindi speech
Indo-Asian News Service
New Delhi, November 06, 2010First Published: 13:27 IST(6/11/2010)
Last Updated: 13:36 IST(6/11/2010)Share more...93 Comments          Email     print

Namaste India! In all likelihood that will be silver-tongued Barack Obama's opening line when he addresses the Indian parliament next week. But to help him pronounce Hindi words correctly will be a teleprompter which the US president uses ever so often for his hypnotising speeches.

According to parliament sources, a technical team from the US has helped the Lok Sabha secretariat install textbook-sized panes of glass around the podium that will give cues to Obama on his prepared remarks to 780 Indian MPs on the evening of Nov 8.

It will be a 20-minute speech at Parliament House's Central Hall that has been witness to some historic events, including first prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru's "tryst with destiny" speech when India became independent.

Obama will make history for more than one reason during the Nov 6-9 visit. This will be the first time a teleprompter will be used in the nearly 100-feet high dome-shaped hall that has portraits of eminent national leaders adorning its walls.

Indian politicians are known for making impromptu long speeches and perhaps that is why some parliament officials, who did not wish to be named, sounded rather surprised with the idea of a teleprompter for Obama.

"We thought Obama is a trained orator and skilled in the art of mass address with his continuous eye contact," an official, who did not wish to be identified because of security restrictions, said.

Obama is known to captivate audiences with his one-liners that sound like extempore and his deep gaze. But few in India know that the US president always carries the teleprompter with him wherever he speaks.

Teleprompters, also called autocue or telescript, are mostly used by TV anchors to read out texts scrolling on a screen and attached to a camera in front of them.

Parliament officials have had a busy week preparing for a red carpet welcome for Obama and his wife Michelle. Parliament House these days looks fresh with a new coat of paint, new carpeting and new green plants in mud vases decorating the corridors.

Sources said the Obamas will pose for a photograph with Indian leaders at one of the three well laid-out courtyards that have lush green lawns and fountains.

On the dais in the Central Hall will be Lok Sabha Speaker Meira Kumar, Vice President Hamid Ansari and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

The sources said the event will be an hour-long affair and will start with Ansari's welcome address and end with a vote of thanks by Meira Kumar after the US president's address.

The Obamas would sign the Golden Book, the visitor's diary in parliament, before leaving the eight-decade old building.

"Thank god they won't eat anything or have tea or coffee from our canteen. We would have to go through a tough security drill otherwise," quipped an employee.

Security managers in parliament also had a tough job for the high profile visit even as the house is already highly protected following a terrorist attack in 2001.

A team of US security officials, including from the CIA, were in the Indian capital and visited the complex to review security measures to be taken during the parliament event.

Parliament security officials have decided that barring special invitees and former MPs, no visitor would be allowed inside when Obama addresses the MPs.

Only journalists who have permanent radio-frequency passes would be allowed inside the Central Hall to cover the event.

3005  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Anti-semitism & Jews on: November 05, 2010, 04:32:51 PM
Thanks,
I got this from my sister who emailed this to me.

I responded thus,

If Ahmadinejad has his way, as did Hitler, this will happen again.

Remembering my father a WW2 vet and who is long gone said, if Hilter had his way he would have been dead and I wouldn't be here. 
As long as I live I will remember that he said he could forgive the Japanese who were poor uneducated peasants who were following their emperor, but he could never forgive the Germans. 

Crafty, did you parents also refuse for the rest of their lives to buy anything German?

3006  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed on: November 05, 2010, 04:25:20 PM
Doug writes (a lot of food for thought),


"Who do you think all these maids, grass cutters, nail hammerers, housekeepers, apple pickers are going to vote for?"  - They sound like very dedicated, principled, hard working people in a country where people can jump classes and quintiles in less than a generation.  I would think they would support economic freedoms but one good leader or candidate can not always cut through the rest of the noise they are hearing, and no one is really trying."

You are  right about no one trying.  I haven't heard anyone making this case.  I am not for amnesty though which is what the illegals want. 

"Savage lays out a proposal for repubs in his book though I haven't read it.  He says the new "contract" or whatever you want to call it is lame. I think he may be right."

 - I disagree.  The 'Pledge' is a governing philosophy that would have prevented most of this economic carnage if those basic fundamentals had been adhered to a few years back. http://pledge.gop.gov/

I'll have to review the pledge.  From what I saw before it was rather vague.

"This relates to what I posted about the tea party alienating young voters, and  blacks, Hispanics, gays thinking they have more economic opportunity and freedom under Dem rule."

I don't recall this post.  The Tea Party is alienating these groups? 
3007  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: November 05, 2010, 03:57:48 PM
"Right now, it's best to not discuss entitlements until after 2012"

I agree it is politically risky at this time. 

GM,
Do you think a candidate running for the Presidency in 12 should be "candid" with Americans about the need for reform as part of their policy platform?

Doesn't someone eventually have to level with us? 

I don't know what is the best strategy.

My thought about the Dept of Ed is I think some see even this as an "entitlement".
The MSM always speak of this as though it is sacred.
3008  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: November 05, 2010, 01:31:52 PM
"I think it sounded bad but Obama was put on notice when Mitch McConnell said defeating this President is a top priority" 
From a MSM perseprctive this if fodder for them to go after republicans.  But we repubs know this IS EXACTLY right.  We have to get rid of this guy once and for all.No compromise no prisoners.
"I honestly hope he does an about face, but there is nothing whatsoever in view to believe that."
Doug, I disagree with you.  Like Rush I hope this guy fails.  We don't want him to pull a Clinton and stay popular.  We need him to stay like he is AND fail.  He must be stopped.  I posted that I am worried the Repubs will be called the party of "NO" like Clinton did to NEWT and Truman did to them in '48 thus almost dooming them.
But now I see a better way.  Although he is not the only one saying it I like that THIS is coming from Clinton's own triangulation guy Dick Morris.  The architect of the Clinton comback now nicely illuminates the path for Republicans.  And that is not to be the party of do nothings but the party of better ideas and plans and policies.  They can set their agenda and make Bamster say no.

But I admit they will be walking on hot coals.  The stakes and the pitfalls are plenty.  I and you are already seeing the MSM go after all the conservatives like viper snakes trying to get a rat.  Have you noticed the MSM pundits going after their conservative guests about their deficit cutting talk. Asking them OK where are you going to "cut" . JUst say it!  You want to cut Medicare Soc Sec!!  The the crats can use this as a rallying cry to win back seniors etc.  But the point is that SS and Medicare do need reforming.  Do the Repubs have the courage to tell the people the truth?  Do they dare?
The MSM seems to want them to.  They seem to want them to in their mind commit political suicide.  But Americans when faced with the truth I hope at least are smarter than that. 

Anyway I digress:

****DickMorris.com
« HEARTFELT THANKS AND FINAL REPORTTHIS TIME, TRIANGULATION’S NOT AN OPTION
By Dick Morris And Eileen McGann11.4.2010Share this article
 
Published in the New York Post on November 4, 2010

Now that President Obama has experienced the same baptism of fire as President Bill Clinton did in the 1994 midterm elections, the obvious question is: Will he move to the center in a bid to save his presidency and win re-election?

The move worked well for Clinton: He sought to combine the best aspects of each party’s program in a third approach that became known as triangulation.


But Obama won’t follow suit because he can’t, even if he wants to. Today’s issues are different from those that separated the parties in 1994 and don’t lend themselves to common ground.

Obama’s programs have been so far-reaching and fundamental that any compromise would leave the nation far to the left of where it’s always been and wants to be. When he took office, government (federal, state and local combined) controlled 35 percent of the US economy — 15th among the two-dozen advanced countries. Now, it controls 44.7 percent, ranking us 7th, ahead of Germany and Britain. So where’s the compromise — leave government in control of, say, 40 percent?

Add the overriding need for sharp deficit reduction, to bring down the debt before it strangles our economy.

Republicans are pushing to begin this by rolling back spending to pre-Obama levels. The alternative would be to raise taxes to pay the bills run up by the Democratic Congress that the voters just repudiated. Yet even partly covering that tab would lock in a government that big — hoarding capital, pouncing on all available credit and taking away such a major portion of national income — would be anathema to our free-enterprise system.

Yet a zero tax-hike policy will require budget cuts that Obama and the left will find unacceptable.

Even with some tax hikes, the slashes in social spending needed to start reducing the debt will also preclude a search for middle ground.

What triangulation is possible on health care? The fundamental building block of Obama’s program is the individual mandate to buy insurance. Absent that, all that’s left is a consumer-protection bill that limits insurance-company practices. Yet the mandate can’t be scaled back but still preserved: It’s either in place or it isn’t. There’s no middle ground.

On “cap and trade,” the other major pillar of Obama’s secular temple, either we tax carbon, or we don’t. The left will deride any program without coercion or tax increases (even though the evidence suggests that voluntary measures are bringing down our carbon emissions nicely). Again, faced with a choice between a tax and no tax, there’s no middle ground.

We can easily see how far Obama has moved off the center of gravity of the American people by measuring his losses in the House. If Republicans stick to their principles and pass their programs in the House, they’ll set forth an agenda that the nation can follow. If they compromise to suit Obama’s big-government objectives, they’ll muddy the waters, antagonize their energetic base and provide no clear alternative to his socialism.

It’s time for bold, clear contrasts. It’s not 1994.****

3009  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Lack of self insight continues on: November 05, 2010, 10:25:33 AM
Well this tells us what lies ahead.  It isn't his policies.  It was we were too stupid to know he is right.  Which is what he is saying when he says he just didn't (swindle) sell us his vision.  This is consistent with his personality defect.  It isn't him - he is smarter then us.   He knows what is best for us.  We just didn't get it.  He has to do better persauding us.  I won't be rested till this guy is run out of office in 12.
True personality DISORDERS - they can NEVER under any circumstance "get it" when it is about themselves.  This is true to form  He is one screwed up guy.  Unfortunately he is taking us all down with him.
 
****Obama Acknowledges Failures, Says ‘Leadership Isn’t Just Legislation’
November 5, 2010 9:56 AM

NEW YORK (CBS) — After a suffering a “shellacking” in the midterm elections, President Obama acknowledges what many have seen as his chief weakness – failing to sell the importance of several legislative milestones to the American people.

“I think that’s a fair argument. I think that, over the course of two years we were so busy and so focused on getting a bunch of stuff done that, we stopped paying attention to the fact that leadership isn’t just legislation. That it’s a matter of persuading people. And giving them confidence and bringing them together. And setting a tone,” Mr. Obama told 60 Minutes’ Steve Kroft in an exclusive interview set to air Sunday.

“Making an argument that people can understand,” Mr. Obama continued, “I think that we haven’t always been successful at that. And I take personal responsibility for that. And it’s something that I’ve got to examine carefully … as I go forward.”****
3010  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: The Power of pictures on: November 04, 2010, 12:58:39 PM
http://www1.yadvashem.org/exhibitions/album_Auschwitz/mutimedia/index.HTML
3011  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Some voting records on: November 04, 2010, 12:49:29 PM
From countries who receive our aid.  Well, I think we are also the biggest contributers to the UN as well.

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/unvote.asp
3012  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: california on: November 03, 2010, 11:56:05 AM
Doug,
What is your take with California?  The state that gave us Reagan in the 70's?

Rush was saying Fiorina and Whitman lost because they are "RINOS".

He actually believes a stricter conservative would have won.

I really doubt that but than again we did have Reagan.  Though as the above points out this state is defferent than the 70's.

I really don't think the country is massively shifting to libertarianism, conservatism as much as it is the pocketbook issue.  Again I reiterate that 50% of the US doesn't pay taxes.  Record people on payouts courtesy of those who pay up taxes.  Endless immigrant hordes who while conservatives like to point out their family values, religiousness as examples of their "conservatism" I would be very wary expecting that to compete with the DEM strategy of tax the earning class and dole checks out to them. 

Who do you think all these maids, grass cutters, nail hammerers, housekeepers, apple pickers are going to vote for?

Rand Paul.   huh

The Republicans have to have a better agenda IMO.  They need to propose conservative answers to this countries problems AND have the polticial salesmanship to turn the tables on duhbamster.  Instead of sitting aournd waiting for him to call them obstructionist, do nothings, the party of no, the Republicans need to lay out an agenda and when he fails to act, point the finger at HIM.

Savage lays out a proposal for repubs in his book though I haven't read it.  He says the new "contract" or whatever you want to call it is lame. I think he may be right.

Like it or not I don't think the independents are becoming resoundingly conservative just for ideology.   
3013  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed on: November 02, 2010, 11:09:39 AM
Is the "barfed up" speech a response to my post?

"free market principles" sounds ok to me and others who pay taxes.  But explain that to those who rely on doles to pay for their food, shelter, and sustenance and who would as Clinton says be on bread lines if not for the doles and bank bailouts.

No one on the right, libertarian or conservative is explaining this to those people.




3014  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed on: November 02, 2010, 10:11:14 AM
I agree with pundits who say that Reps better not think any win is some sort of referendum for them rather than a repudiation of Bamster and Pelosi.
Strick right wing libertarianism/conservatism alone will not work with independents who want problems fixed in some way IMHO.

There is just too much of the country that wants others to pay for their ills.  50% don't pay taxes.  So tax breaks ain't gonna win them over.
3015  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / The cans/tea party better be careful on: November 02, 2010, 10:07:10 AM
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.   I can guarantee you Bamster already has his strategy for dealing with a Rep majority in Congress and based on history it WILL work to revive him

If Boehner does nothing more the oppose Bamster the Republicans WILL lose next cycle.  Here are two historic precedents for the exact same strategy and posture.
The "do nothing Congress" of 1948 which resulted in Truman upsetting Dewey and the Crats retaking both houses.  Also more recently the Reps strategy when Newt was speaker in 1995 paved the way for Clinton's comeback and eventually Newt left with disasterously low poll support:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80th_United_States_Congress

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_government_shutdown_of_1995
3016  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: california on: November 01, 2010, 02:34:25 PM
Wouldn't the riches of Buffett and Gates alone take care of California'a entire budget deficit.  Why don't we just take all their money and pay it down?

Isn't that what the progressives want?  Make the rich pay.  So here you go.  Between Clinton and Gore we could probably get another quarter billion easy.
3017  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Energy Politics & Science on: November 01, 2010, 11:04:52 AM
Good post.

Also the trafiic created when people drive and park near the rail stops.
Huge lots with huge numbers of cars.  Most People aren't getting to the trains on bicycles, or car pooling.

I suppose next will be tax breaks for those who ride bikes.
3018  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Clinton prepares to jump from the SS Obamatanic on: October 30, 2010, 03:31:46 PM
"I am not in any way involved in any of the political campaigns that are going on up to this midterm election," Clinton said last week

No, only your "husband" is.
Gee he is out there helping people who were for his "wife" in 08.  I suppose he is doing it because he is a nice guy just returning favors. rolleyes
What  a joke.  I can't take ANYTHING either of these people say seriously.
That IS the problem with serial liars.  Even when they are telling the truth we can't be sure.

As for looking at someone and not taking them seriously think Spitzer.  He conducts his self decribed "conversations" as on his show as thus:

1)  agree with the liberals guests
2)  prosecute the conservatives guests

If you are a conservative and go on his show expect to be cross examined and set up with 'hit" questions.

The jazzy music is too cute by half.
3019  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Some thoughts on Newt on: October 29, 2010, 03:05:55 PM
"I honestly think this is a deal-killer.  Newt is brilliant - the closest we have to someone prepared to step up, run and lead.  If John Edwards and Gary Hart can't come back on the Dem side, no one can overcome this on the R side.  Obama can lie cheat and openly steal and then run for reelction as the more moral alternative.  Characters matters for the highest office."

Character does matter to me as it does to you and  alot of us.
Nonetheless my own guess it matters less to others.
I could be wrong but I think what really did Newt in with his tanking personal poll numbers had nothing to do with leaving his wife (?with cancer) or the hypocracy of his going after Clinton for impeachment while he himself may have been dallying around but was his leading the charge to "shut down" the government.  If I recall it was THIS that temporally correlated with his drop in approval ratings.  It appears "the public" doesn't like government to shut down.

(I certainly am happy to shut down government with Bamster in charge!)

I think he could come back but I am less sure how he deals with his past issue of appearing to "shut down" the government.  Even if it was at least a MSM hit job on him.
On one hand we on the right do not want Republicans to compromise and "work" with the other side.  On the other hand many voters I think want to stop the sides from never ending fighting and to work "together" to solve the countires problems.

I am not sure how he shoudl/could deal with this.  If he can I I think he has the mouthpiece to resell himself. 
Then again his mouthpiece has also gotten himself into trouble if for no other reason that it gives fodder for the liberal MSM who love to crucify him.




3020  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Jimmy Carter to the rescue- don't hold your breath on: October 28, 2010, 02:21:28 PM
Oh where oh where is our beloved Jimmy Carter the savior from and investigator from and of voter fraud of the century?

LOL

In NJ it is so easy to vote.  Apply on line get ballot in mail and send in.

Does it get to where it is supposed to go and get counted.  Nobody knows.

Who in there right mind doesn't think voter fraud isn't rampant especially in a union goon/organized crime state like Jersey? 
3021  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2010 Elections; 2012 Presidential on: October 28, 2010, 02:15:51 PM
"New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, elected in 2009, has become a kind of folk hero for his defiance of the states' teacher unions, which expect 4 percent raises in years of no growth or inflation and balk at having members pay any share of health insurance premiums."

A relative of mine is a teacher in NJ and a Republican - very rare.  I ask her what gives with teachers?  She states all they care about is themselves.  Their hatred of Christie is legendary so to speak here.  She states their dues are collected whether they want in or not.  No choice.  And NO say how it is spent by the union.  All of it goes to Democrats - ALWAYS.  And the crats are then beholden to them.  She states none of them seem to care that the state will go broke if changes are not made.  It is all about themselves.

I asked her who do they think is going to pay for all their benefits as we already have the HIGHEST property tax in the nation?

What do they want us to pay more?

She says, they all "scream" that "the rich" should pay them.

In Jersey the dependent class is led by teachers unions.
3022  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Sente Close on: October 27, 2010, 11:12:43 AM
Baed on the latest polls the repubs need all six tossups to get to 51.  Of the four the republicans hold leads.  OF the other two the Dems Washington and WVirginia are ahead by 2to 6 points.  Both Dems are under 50% in those races.  Morris thinks that if the Dem leader is under 50% and the Rep is within two or three the Rep will win.
So the Rep may come up one seat short.  Another wild card is the vote manipulation of the Demcocrats.  The gift cards, the false write in ballots, the ballots (mail in ) that will disappear etc.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2010/senate/2010_elections_senate_map.html
3023  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: October 26, 2010, 10:41:34 AM
"As things continue to fail, you'll see Barry-O really start to decompensate."

GM that's what I think too.  My prediction:

The real disorder of his personality - lack of self insight - will manifest itself more and more.

The MSM can keep ignoring this for now.  Sooner or later they will have to confront this.  At that point watch for even more Hillary events, appearances etc. Can't drop the progressive agenda ball for long.  Gotta keep the progressive programs going.  She will be called on to save it.  O please Bill/Hill - save us from disaster. wink
3024  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: October 25, 2010, 05:58:48 PM
"He said Republicans had driven the economy into a ditch and then stood by and criticized while Democrats pulled it out. Now that progress has been made, he said, "we can't have special interests sitting shotgun. We gotta have middle class families up in front. We don't mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back."

This is really a remarkable statement from our first Black President.

I am sure the MSM will ignore it.
3025  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Mea culpa? on: October 25, 2010, 09:59:41 AM
This may be the indication that Iran will not be militarily challenged:

Hawkish Israeli minister drafts nuclear Iran plan 25 Oct 2010 07:59:58 GMT
Source: Reuters
 * Most hawkish Israeli minister wants "day after" plan

* PM Netanyahu officially committed to preventive action

* Retaliatory rockets, diplomatic fallout on Israeli minds

By Dan Williams

JERUSALEM, Oct 25 (Reuters) - Hardline Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman has commissioned a report on how to prepare for a nuclear-armed Iran as doubt mounts about the efficacy of preventive action, an Israeli source said on Monday.

Publicly, Israel has pledged to deny the Iranians the means to make a bomb but its previous, centrist government also discreetly drew up "day after" contingency plans should Tehran's uranium enrichment pass the military threshold.

At the time, rightist opposition leader Benjamin Netanyahu called for Israel to consider preemptive strikes against its arch-foe's nuclear sites. Now prime minister, Netanyahu has reined in such rhetoric while not ruling out the use of force.

In a sign the government is examining a full range of options, Lieberman, the most hawkish member of Netanyahu's coalition, has ordered ministry strategists to draft a paper on "what to do if we wake up and discover the Iranians have a nuclear weapon", said the senior Israeli political source, who declined to be named due to the sensitivity of the matter.

Foreign Ministry planners are also preparing a report on possible responses should the Palestinians unilaterally declare a state taking in all of the occupied West Bank, where continued Israeli settlement has bogged down U.S.-sponsored peace efforts.

Israel is widely assumed to have the Middle East's only nuclear arsenal. Its aircraft bombed Iraq's atomic reactor in 1981 and launched a similar sortie against Syria in 2007.

But many independent experts believe Israeli forces could not take on Iran alone. The Iranians have dug in, dispersed and prepared to defend many of their nuclear facilities.

Even were its warplanes to manage a successful sneak attack, Israel would almost certainly suffer retaliatory Iranian missile salvoes worse than the short-range rocket attacks of Lebanese and Palestinian guerrillas in the 2006 and 2009 border wars.

There would be a wider diplomatic reckoning: World powers are in no rush to see another regional conflagration, especially while sanctions are still being pursued against an Iranian nuclear programme which Tehran says is peaceful.

The planning department of Israel's Foreign Ministry is one of several units guiding government strategy. Chief among these are the National Security Council and an inner cabinet made up of Netanyahu and six other top ministers, including Lieberman. Netanyahu's office declined comment on the Lieberman initiative. A senior Israeli official said: "The government's position is that all attempts have to be made to prevent Iran from going nuclear."

The Israelis have voiced cautious confidence in sanctions. But they also believe Tehran could have a nuclear warhead as soon as 2012-2014, an assessment shared by some in the West.

Israeli defence officials have placed a priority on improving the national missile shield and bolstering a network of civilian bomb shelters -- a posture that may herald resilience in the face of an eventual nuclear-armed Iran or a bracing for reprisals should Israel strike Iran first. (Editing by Noah Barkin)
3026  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2010 Elections; 2012 Presidential on: October 25, 2010, 09:54:23 AM
 "I continue to really not like the way that some races are tightening.  Spreads in the polls that used to be in the double digits are now often in mid single digits or in the margin of error.  After all the cockiness about the coming tsunami, anything that underdelivers is not going to be good for the cause of freedom."

Agreed.  It is getting me nervous too.
The nanny state is like a cancer.  Look at the mess in Europe.
Now the crats in many localities are calling for *non* citizens to have the "right" to vote.
It is always the crats who want to increase their political power with goodies courtesy of taxpayers.

We are giving it all away.


3027  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: China on: October 23, 2010, 11:58:32 AM
From the recent Economist:

China's succession
The next emperor
A crown prince is anointed in a vast kingdom facing vaster stresses. China is in a fragile state
Oct 21st 2010

“WITH you in charge, I am at ease,” Mao Zedong is supposed to have told his successor, Hua Guofeng. It proved a disastrous choice. Mr Hua lasted a couple of years before being toppled in 1978. A decade later succession plans once again unravelled spectacularly, against a backdrop of pro-democracy unrest. Only once, eight years ago, has China’s Communist Party managed a smooth transfer of power—to Hu Jintao. Now a new transition is under way. The world should be nervous about it for two reasons: the unknown character of China’s next leader; and the brittle nature of a regime that is far less monolithic and assured than many foreigners assume.

The man ordained to take over Mr Hu’s twin roles as party chief in 2012 and president the following year is hardly a household name. On October 18th Vice-President Xi Jinping was given a new job as vice-chairman of China’s Central Military Commission, which Mr Hu heads. This is a position for leaders-in-waiting. The portly son of one of Communist China’s founders, little known to the outside world until a few years ago, Mr Xi is preparing to take the helm of a country with the world’s second-biggest economy and its biggest armed forces—and which is in the midst of wrenching social change.

Quite how he has risen so high in a party that, for all its growing engagement with the world, remains deeply secretive, is unclear. Mr Xi’s appointment was eerily similar to the recent anointing of Kim Jong Un in North Korea: he too was made vice-chairman of a military commission after a closed-door party conclave, without public explanation. China’s leaders at least offered a sentence on Mr Xi’s appointment, albeit at the end of an arid 4,600-character communiqué after the fifth party congress (see article).

Related items
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Oct 21st 2010
China's next leader: Xi who must be obeyed
Oct 21st 2010On the positive side, Mr Xi has held some big posts in the most economically dynamic and globally integrated parts of the country: the coastal provinces of Fujian and Zhejiang as well as, briefly, Shanghai. He is a relatively cosmopolitan figure. His wife is a popular singer. But it is impossible to assess how well qualified he is to run the country or how assured his succession is. On the face of it, one engineer whose father was denounced during the Cultural Revolution is handing over to another. But Mr Xi is a relative newcomer to the inner circle; he has not served as long as Mr Hu had in 2002. There are plenty in the party who resent the rise to power of well-connected “princelings” like Mr Xi. A two-year transition will be a test.


All this one day will be yours

All the same, it is the immensity of the task, not the obscurity of the man, that should make the world nervous. For all their outward expressions of unity, there are signs of disagreement among Chinese leaders over what the country’s priorities should be—both on the economy and on political reform.

The economy is sprinting along by Western standards, but China faces a hard adjustment to wean itself off excessive investment and exports in favour of more reliance on consumption. The communiqué unveiled guidelines for a new five-year economic plan (see article). This calls for a more sustainable pace of growth, with wage-earners getting a bigger share of the national income. This would be good for China and the world, helping to narrow the trade surplus that annoys America so much. But the change will not be painless. Exporters fear business will suffer if wages soar or the yuan rises fast. Powerful state-owned enterprises, used to cheap credit, land and energy, will resist threats to these privileges.

As for political reform, Chinese leaders have talked about democracy for the past 30 years, but done little. Rapid growth and the spread of the internet and mobile phones have enabled Chinese citizens to communicate, vent their grievances and pursue their dreams more freely than before, so long as they do not attack the party. But some are now demanding more say in how the country is run. In the past few weeks China’s more liberal newspapers have enthused about calls by the prime minister, Wen Jiabao, for “political reform”. Conservative newspapers have censored them.

There is next to no chance of the cautious Mr Hu bringing in big reforms before he steps down. This week’s communiqué hailed the “political advantages of China’s socialist system” and mentioned political reform only briefly, saying—as Chinese leaders so often do—that it will require “vigorous yet steady” effort. Even Mr Wen, who will step down at the same time as Mr Hu, has wanted to move at glacial speed.


Expect paranoia and you may be pleasantly surprised

Might Mr Xi speed things up? There is no shortage of conservatives arguing for caution, but there is also a pragmatic argument for change: China’s economic gains could be jeopardised by a failure to loosen the party’s hold. Explosions of public discontent, fuelled by resentment of government callousness towards ordinary citizens, are becoming increasingly common in villages, towns and cities across the country. The (admittedly patchy) official data show a more than tenfold increase in the annual number of large protests and disturbances since 1993, with more than 90,000 cases reported in each of the past four years. In the past China’s leaders have relied on growth to secure social stability. If and when a more serious slowdown strikes, popular grumbles could increase.

The right path for Mr Xi should be clear: relax the party’s grip on dissent, lift its shroud of secrecy and make vital economic reforms. But the rest of the world would be unwise to assume that reason will prevail. In times of uncertainty, the regime is wont to appeal to nationalist sentiment. Large anti-Japanese protests erupted during the latest party meeting. America and the West have also been subjected to tongue-lashings. The party meeting called on officials to strengthen “the country’s comprehensive national power”.

Too many Westerners, including those urging trade sanctions over the yuan, assume that they are dealing with a self-confident, rational power that has come of age. Think instead of a paranoid, introspective imperial court, already struggling to keep up with its subjects and now embarking on a slightly awkward succession—and you may be less disappointed.

3028  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: October 22, 2010, 09:39:43 AM
Doug and Rarick,
No more blatant about media bias is the Juan Williams thing.

I could swear I heard him say on FOX way back he said he actually voted for McCain.

That alone puts a little red laser beam dot on his forhead from the leftist propaganda machine.
3029  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / New Repub. party? on: October 22, 2010, 09:36:28 AM
I keep seeing all sorts of labels for Repubs now.  "True conservatives",  "rinos", libertarians, etc  I think Dick as hit the nail on the head with his categorization and explanation of what is evolving here.   And how the tea party is transforming the Reopublican party to broaden it away from control by the" religious right" which in my opnion has always been a two edged sword:


« BEAT BARNEY FRANK AND THE DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIPTHE NEW REPUBLICAN RIGHT
By Dick Morris10.20.2010Share this article
 
Published on TheHill.com on October 19, 2010

A fundamental change is gripping the Republican grass roots as they animate the GOP surge to a major victory in the 2010 elections. No longer do evangelical or social issues dominate the Republican ground troops. Now economic and fiscal issues prevail. The Tea Party has made the Republican Party safe for libertarians.

There is still a litmus test for admission to the Republican Party. But no longer is it dominated by abortion, guns and gays. Now, keeping the economy free of government regulation, reducing taxation and curbing spending are the chemicals that turn the paper pink.


It is one of the fundamental planks in the Tea Party platform that the movement does not concern itself with social issues. At the Tea Parties, evangelical pro-lifers rub shoulders happily with gay libertarians. They are united by their anger at Obama’s economic policies, fear of his deficits and horror at his looming tax increases. Obama’s agenda has effectively removed the blocks that stopped tens of millions of social moderates from joining the GOP.

As a byproduct of this sea change in the Republican Party, GOP grassroots activists are no longer just concentrated in the South. They are spread all throughout the nation, as prominent in Ohio as in Alabama, in New York as in Georgia, in California as in Nevada.

The Tea Party’s focus on fiscal and economic issues finds deep resonance among voters of all stripes, united as they are in economic hardship and disappointed as they all are by Obama’s economic program. This antipathy to federal policies is paving the way for vast Republican inroads in normally solid Democratic turf like New York state, Massachusetts, California and Washington state.

Fighting over abortion has become a cottage industry in America. As useful to the left as to the right, both camps have used the issue for 30 years to demand orthodoxy of their constituents and fidelity from their electorates. No longer does the pro-life/pro-choice debate hold voters in blue states hostage to the Democratic Party, bound and determined to swallow as much in regulation and taxation as their liberal candidates offer if only to protect Roe v. Wade. Nor does it hypnotize Southern or rural conservatives who grant their Blue Dog congressmen a pass on Election Day as long as they are right on life, guns and gays. Now these Blue Dogs are paying the price for their betrayal of fiscal conservatism and find that they can no longer assuage their angered base by way of ads showing them with firearms. While social concerns still exist and are held deeply throughout the country, economic and fiscal issues have gripped the hearts and minds of Republican voters and candidates, pushing the social questions aside.

This preference for economic and fiscal questions over social issues is not a top-down decision of the Tea Party leadership. There really is no Tea Party leadership. Those who conduct its affairs are mere coordinators of local groups where the real power lies. The entire affair is a grass roots-dominated movement. I was shocked to learn that the teapartypatriots.org umbrella group, to which more than 2,800 local affiliates belong, has a total payroll of $50,000 per month, with only seven paid staff members, some of them low-level at that. This group, which embraces more than half of the self-described Tea Party groups in the U.S., leaves up to each local organization how to proceed and what to do. It is a bottom-up movement.

The determination to focus on fiscal and economic issues, to the exclusion of social questions, wells up from below as individual members vent their concerns over ObamaCare, stimulus spending and cap-and-trade legislation. It is around opposition to Obama’s agenda, not Roe v. Wade, that the movement is organized. It is a new day on the Republican right.

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3030  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Health Thread (nutrition, medical, longevity, etc) on: October 21, 2010, 02:21:51 PM
"“I’m not sure that more than a very small percentage of medical research is ever likely to lead to major improvements in clinical outcomes and quality of life. We should be very comfortable with that fact.”

Very few studies lead to changes in the way we practice.  Much more leads to quackery in the media, wall street, and homeopathic industry as well as the "established" medical community.

But before we jump on this author's bandwagon one thing is certain.

His view is exactly the view held by those who are have constructed battle plans to take over our health care and to decide what does and what does not get paid for.

They will make it almost impossible to prove a benefit for something and hence be able to say it ain't proven thus we do not see a reason to pay for it.  They will force it the other way.

Some of these guys also have an agenda.
3031  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: October 20, 2010, 09:44:02 AM
I like VDH and agree with a lot.

However, I strongly disagree with this,

"The media are rebelling because they have wakened up to the current polls and concluded that Obama in 2008 had charmed them into sacrificing their reputations for disinterested reportage."

Frankly I haven't seen any great exodus or rebellion amongst MSM.  Indeed to me they continue to cover for him.  Indeed some feel he wasn't leftist enough and they continue to defend his policies tooth and nail from what I see.
3032  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Health Thread (nutrition, medical, longevity, etc) on: October 18, 2010, 03:37:34 PM
"Doug's comment "do no harm" made me wonder how a physician could even be party to this abomination."

Yes, and that is what I meant when I noted he is "reluctantly" her doctor.

On the other hand as I noted (I thnk) he only saw her once and I am not sure what the outcome is/was.

The only reason I brought it up is to suggest some reality shows are analagous to "freak shows" of old.
3033  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Health Thread (nutrition, medical, longevity, etc) on: October 18, 2010, 02:40:46 PM
"by "assisting" her to become fat he is in essence "harming" her"

Did I use the word "assisting"?

He saw her once I think.
He is not assisting her to become fat.

He would be trying to treat her obesity as well as any other health issues but that doesn't mean he could succeed.

Just because a doctor keeps an alcoholic alive doesn't mean he is helping him/her stay an alcoholic.

I risk the line above;  no matter what I say it becomes interpreted backwards.



3034  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Politically (In)correct on: October 18, 2010, 02:07:58 PM
Kyra Phillips on CNN, the cable nanny network while reporting on the mosque that had a garbage can filled with bacon to insult the members called the unkonw culprit a "punk".  If an artist puts Jesus in urine or another puts bacon outside a synague does she call them a punk.

Her additional point was that actions like this "punk" actually causes harm to the reputation of the US.  These things can be transmittede around the world on youtube in seconds giving radical Islamists reason to want to kill us.

Never mind no one would even know about it if not for CNN.

And besides, I don't recall hearing Christains who upon learing that Jesus was in urine is thus grounds for Christains to rome around the world and murder all non  Christains.

I don't recall Israelis who when seeing on youtube a swatiska on the side of a synoguage running around screaming holy war and calling for decapitation of every goy they can get their hands on.

Philips is not a favorite of mine.  This is the same gal who tells the founder of the Black Panthers that it was an "honor" to have him on her show.

thanks for listening,
I feel better.
3035  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Health Thread (nutrition, medical, longevity, etc) on: October 18, 2010, 01:17:14 PM
She actually asked him if he would want to be on the reality show.

I know this guy well and he is excellent and would never do anything to harm anyone.

Who wants to be known as the doctor who keeps the heaviest woman alive so she can be the heviest woman?
3036  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Health Thread (nutrition, medical, longevity, etc) on: October 18, 2010, 11:48:56 AM
"Regarding the 33,000 calorie lady, we used to have freak shows at the state fair.  Now we don't have the shows and they aren't called freaks anymore."

Actually we kind of do have these shows.  They are reality shows.  Just not Barnum and Bailey.

There is a ladly in Old Bridge NJ who is vying to be the heaviest woman in the world.

I know the doctor who reluctantly is her phsyician.

She has made clear she wants to become the heaviest for the explicit reason of making money off it - reality show and whatever else she can get from it.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/nj_woman_attempting_to_become_world_pco3O4qPWiCg3yjEWaxx9N
3037  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / I eat 33,000 calories a day. on: October 18, 2010, 09:59:52 AM
All great points.

I think GM sums up with this:

"Now we still have the same inborn impulses, but a very different access to food and much less in the way of physical demands for most of us."

With regards to Doug's comment:

"I don't buy that people are unaware when this is happening to them"

Generally I agree but the insidious nature of obesity and weight gain is more incredible than I ever realized.  Anyone ever watch that show on calbe, "I eat 33,000 calories a day"?   There is a scene where a 350 or 400 pound lady was followed around for a day and they wrote down everything that she ate in a course of an average day.

Next the went and fixed her several full plates of food the exact same she ate and laid out all these plates on a round table.  They brought her into the room and said to her THIS IS WHAT YOU EAT IN A TYPICAL DAY!!!

Well her repsonse was astonishing.  Her eyes bugged open, her mouth fell agape and she just stood there in shock saying, "I eat all this in a day!?.  This is disgusting."

Well, now I am sitting there watching this the same as everyone else thinking how on earth could this fat lady be stuffing all this food in her fat mouth all day long and NOT know it?

The denial some people have is being belief.  Of course she is extreme, but my point is that it isn't as straight forward as some would like to think.

There have been other shows about this.  One followed around three people who are succesful in losing large amount of weight and keeping it off.  But when I tell you it is a FULL time job I mean it.  These people spend all day long fighting and planning and motivating, and excercising, and cooking, and avoiding and keeping themselves focused.  They show one woman woaling around her house in excercise leotards.  She teaches aerobics and does her own at home as well.  Another guy is shown running for two hours a day and spending lots of time planning and cooking his healthy meals. 

Folks you have no idea how hard it is in our society to keep and lose weight off for most people.  That is why a 10 to 15 % goal is reasonable and achievable for most with discipline and motivation.  More maybe for some but not many.

3038  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / econimist and obesity epidemic on: October 17, 2010, 12:48:43 PM
***When the full explanation for the modern epidemic of obesity has emerged***

Of course the explanation to many of my friends here on this forum is that it is simply a matter of choice but I post this for fun anyway:

****Obesity
Does light make you fat?
When—not just what—mice eat affects how much weight they put on
Oct 14th 2010

Illuminating the cause of obesityTHE blame for rising obesity rates has been pinned on many things, including a more calorific diet, the spread of processed food, a lack of exercise and modern man’s generally more stressful lot. Something else may soon be included in the list: brighter nights.

Light regulates the body’s biological clock—priming an individual’s metabolism for predictable events such as meals and slumber. Previous research has shown that, in mice at least, the genes responsible for this can be manipulated so as to make the animals plumper and more susceptible to problems associated with obesity, including diabetes and heart disease. It was not known, though, whether simply altering ambient light intensity might have similar effects.

A team of researchers led by Laura Fonken of Ohio State University has cleared the matter up. As they report in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, they examined how nocturnal light affects weight, body fat and glucose intolerance (the underlying cause of late-onset diabetes) in male mice. They found that persistent exposure to even a little night-time light leads to increases in all three.

To reach this conclusion Dr Fonken split her murine subjects into three groups. Some were kept in cages lit constantly, so as to resemble a never-ending overcast day. A second group lived in conditions akin to their natural habitat, with 16 hours of overcast day-like light, followed by eight hours of darkness. The remaining rodents were also exposed to a cycle, but the dark was replaced with a dim glow equivalent to the twilight at the first flickers of dawn.

Over the eight-week period of the experiment the mice in the first and third groups gained almost 50% more weight than those exposed to the natural light-dark cycle. They also put on more fat and exhibited reduced tolerance of glucose, despite eating comparable amounts of food and moving around just as much.

The only thing that seemed to differ was when the mice ate. In the wild, mice are nocturnal. Unsurprisingly, then, those in the quasi-natural conditions consumed only about a third of their food in the “day” phase. For a mouse exposed to the twilight cycle, however, the figure was over 55%.

In a follow-up experiment, Dr Fonken looked at whether the timing of food consumption alone could explain the observed differences. It turned out that those forced to eat during the “day”—ie, out of whack with their biological clock—did indeed gain about 10% more weight than those fed at “night” (be it dark or just dim) or those with uninterrupted access to grub.

How this might relate to people will require further investigation. Mice and humans are physiologically alike, so a similar effect might be expected for people, but the fact that mice are nocturnal and humans diurnal is a serious complicating factor. It is true, though, that the spread of electric lighting means many people eat their main meal when natural daylight is long gone—the obverse of a mouse eating during daylight hours. And that tendency to eat late, though it has never been tested properly, is believed by many nutritionists to be a factor in putting on weight.

When the full explanation for the modern epidemic of obesity has emerged, it is unlikely that the spread of artificial lighting will be the whole of it. But this work suggests it might be a part. When you eat could be as important as what you eat.

Science and Technology****

3039  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2010 Elections; 2012 Presidential on: October 17, 2010, 12:44:15 PM
"Please, please please, moderate and sensible Democrats, pick someone other than BO or HRC in 2012."

I couldn't agree more.  Yet we both know Hillary is next in line and I also agree the only question is which year.  I don't get it when I keep hearing what a "great job" she is doing.  Why?  What has she accomplished and what specifically is so great about it?  I have not heard one specific accomplishment to support this conclusion.  It is almost like some sort of urban myth running around the media.  I really do not find her impressive.  I think a John Bolten could run circles around her with his intellect compared to hers. She is extremely careful as to what she says all the time with running in 12 or 16 obviously always in the back of her mind.  But I have NEVER heard anythin earth shattering genius coming out of her. 

By the way what is Condi Rice doing praising Clinton and Bamster?

I guess she wants another job.   cry
3040  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: October 15, 2010, 12:20:17 PM
His "tribalism" comment is just so classic condescending "dah"bamster.  Here is the guy that talks about "hand to hand" combat, pleading with Latinos and Blacks to come out and support him labelling the rest of us as just a bunch of tribilists.

Just another example of a person with a personality "disorder" who is quick to blame others without any ability to objectively assess himself.  He is right and everyone else is beneath him:

 President Obama addresses a town hall audience of young Americans, October 14, 2010.
(Credit: AP) Asked about what the questioner saw as an increase in racial tension Thursday, President Obama said a "tribal attitude" can come as a result of economic hardship.


"Historically, when you look at how America has evolved, typically we make progress on race relations in fits and starts," he said at a town hall event with young Americans.


He then suggested that the recession has played a part in driving racial antagonism while he has been in office.


"Often times misunderstandings and antagonisms surface most strongly when times are tough. And that's not surprising," Mr. Obama said, arguing that Americans are less worried when things are going well.


He added that anxiety over not being able to pay bills - or having lost a job or a home - sometimes "organizes itself around kind of a tribal attitude, and issues of race become more prominent."


He also said, however, that "I think the trend lines are actually good."


"This audience just didn't exist 20 years ago," Mr. Obama said, surveying the multiracial room of young people to whom he was speaking. He said the interaction between races among young people today is "unprecedented."


"We've got a little bit of everybody in this country," the president said, arguing that "our strength comes from unity, not division."


The president, referencing his own experience, added that "as you get older, your mind gets a little more set." He said that's why the tolerance of young people is so important. "You guys are going to be the messengers," said the president.

3041  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Islam in Europe on: October 14, 2010, 07:29:45 PM
Doug,
It sounds like you responded in a way that scared them off.   It seems weird they would attack you like that if it roberry wasn't the motive but who knows.

Could you imagine if they attacked Crafty.   They would have been in the hospital.

3042  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: How to cut government spending on: October 14, 2010, 07:13:15 PM
Yes indeed, hence the name of Savage's latest book:

'Trickle up poverty'!
3043  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Health Thread (nutrition, medical, longevity, etc) on: October 14, 2010, 03:27:20 PM
"I'm still waiting for your explanation to Crafty and my question; why primarily Americans,  not your Indian physician friend, or my Japanese friends, or Italians, or French, or English or German people in general are not fat or obese."

they are smarter than us tongue
3044  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Health Thread (nutrition, medical, longevity, etc) on: October 13, 2010, 04:26:03 PM
"So I asked for the stereotype of Americans.  Came the answer: "Fat people in shorts and white socks."  Ouch."

I have heard the same thing here from an doctor from India.  The line I recall is Americans are "fat, lazy, and waste a lot".
3045  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2010 Elections; 2012 Presidential on: October 13, 2010, 04:19:49 PM
Speaking of Dick Morris he was asked if he is a Republican or not, I think by O'Reilly.

Excellent question because of course he spent the 90's as we all know keeping Clinton relevant.  Is he just an opportunist looking for whoever will hire him or what?

I can't quite recall but I think he answered something to the effect that he agrees with conservative values and more or less that is where is heart is.  I liked the answer.

A guy who day after day gets up there and points out Repubs are aiming to low is exactly the type of guy I would want as a leding strategist.  And if the Repubs take the Senate Morris was way out front calling it!

Heck, get him the girls with nice toes - who the heck cares.

Unlike an opposite player - Arianna Huffington who when she couldn't get a job with Bush went liberal just to spite him (my theory anyway). 
3046  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Health Thread (nutrition, medical, longevity, etc) on: October 13, 2010, 04:05:35 PM
And I forgot to add that the nurse said - these people are going through "torture".  And that IS what it is for these people.  Torture.  Imagine going throught torture to lose all that weight.  And then imagine expecting these people to literally plan on torturing themselves for the REST of their lives to maintain.  With temptation every single minute of every single day!  Forever. 

Except for those very few unless they move to a deserted island it ain't gonna happen.

You want to say well then, it is their "choice", be my guest.

I say the evidence is clear that 10 or 15% weight loss is as much as almost all motivated *and* disciplined people are able to achieve over extended periods of time.

Whether due to too much food availability, too much TV or message boarding, too little exercise or what we can all theorize.  But in the USA we have an epidemic of a disease called obesity. 

That said I don't want Bamster or anyone else telling what I can eat or not.

The answer will hopefully come from the pharm industry but it is unlikely to be one pill that fits all.  It might be combinations.  Or brain and gut surgery.  I don't know.

Or we cap and trade and try to tax are way out.  Or we have a disaster and we all starve.

Thems the facts folks.

(Yes I have seen the motivational types showing us how we can eat like slobs and not gain weight and how delicious it is - so long as we eat vast quantities of lettuce, vegetables, and tofu.)
3047  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Health Thread (nutrition, medical, longevity, etc) on: October 13, 2010, 03:53:21 PM
So probably hundreds of millions of people who cannot maintain weight loss despite Jenny Craig, Weight Watchers, countless other plans, Medit. diets. low fat diets, low carb diets, a trillion excercise programs and billions spent trying to lose weight are simply unmotivated people who "choose" to be overweight?

I was speaking today to a nurse at one of the hospitals and we were talking about weight loss.  She asked if I have ever seen the biggest loser?  I said a few times for a few minutes.  I don't need to watch what I already know.  I can tell you that after their 15 minutes of fame is up, that within five years 95% of all those on that program will have gained back all their weight.  So you are telling me these are unmotivated gluttens who "choose" to be fat?

What are all you guys nuts?
3048  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Health Thread (nutrition, medical, longevity, etc) on: October 12, 2010, 12:03:01 PM
"I resubmit the proposition that your theory is disproved"

Crafty,

That is exactly the problem with your argument.

We can only choose to a limited degree and not completely as I think  you suggest.  As 5 rings points out,
the science is irrefutable.

Yet you want to ignore this and suggest it is free choice.  I submit this is misguided. Certainly there is some choice involved but this does not explain all of it by any long shot.  I am not a Democrat or a progressive. I don't want a nanny state.  That is the progressive agenda.  Not "my argument".

As 5 rings points out,

You probably burn hundreds and possibly thousands of calories a day.  Most people don't and some couldn't whether they choose to or not. With regard to excercise  the studies are quite clear.  Very few people can lose and keep weight off without significant excercise.

  I can't speak for other countries.  Perhaps they walk more I don't know.

I don't want a nanny state.  That is the progressive agenda.  Not "my argument".
3049  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Health Thread (nutrition, medical, longevity, etc) on: October 12, 2010, 11:23:09 AM
"I resubmit the proposition that your theory is disproved"

What theory?  that obesity is not a disease?

That it is free choice?

I've already pointed out there are cultural environmental social and economic issues at play.

the fact the US is the most obese does not disprove anything about freedom of choice.

In 1969 the average chopped steak at a diner was 8 ounces.  In 1999 it was 16 oz.

we are eating them.  People are putting their healths at risk.  Why because it ain't easy not too.

Your point about other countries only strengthens the argument that we need to legislate what people cannot do for themselves.

We should put all fattening foods out of business following *your* argument. Education alone is not enough.   Like tax and spend dems are  trying to do with cigarettes.
3050  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Health Thread (nutrition, medical, longevity, etc) on: October 12, 2010, 10:19:16 AM
Good points.

I have done bariatric medicine.  And I can tell you that getting overweight people to lose 10 or 15% of there overall weight and maintaining that loss is a MAJOR achievement.  I recall listening to a lecture from one physician who specializes in weight loss medicine.  And he said if I have had 2 or 3 people go from BMI of 45 to 25 in twenty five years that is "a lot".

I advise my patients to target 10 and hopefully 15% weight loss even if they are still obese.  Because I know any more is unrealistic and almost impossible.

To be able to lose more is without a doubt, as another weight loss psychiatrist pointed out, "a full time job".

Crafty and JDN with all due respect you don't understand.

That is why progressives want to legislate a cap and trade on whatever they want to label as "fattening".  To be able to control what people are unable to do for themselves.

They did studies on prisoners I think in the 70's.  They underfed them 100 calories a day.  As they lost more and more weight there thoughts started to turn towards getting more food.  This was true even if they were overweight to start with.  The theory is that something goes wrong or haywire.  The brain sets a point to maintain weight a a certain level even if it is more than needed for survival or healthy weight.  As they lose more and more weight the thoughts of obtaining food becomes overwhelming.  The brain senses they are starving even if they aren't.  Every single waking thought, their dreams their cravings, their desires, theri focus is turned toward obtaining food.  It becomes truly overwhelming.  To the point that the person cannot think of anything else.  To the point where they cannot perform any other function except dream of food.  It is a result of evolution.  We evovled with multiple chemical, hormonal, neurologic, intestinal pathways that work in sync to keep us motiveated to obtain food.  If we didn't have these overlapping pathways that drive us to obtain food we would have perished on the grasslands from lack of will to chase mammoths, or gather nuts berries etc.  We can block one of these pathways and hence the person will lose around 6 % of weight before other pathways start to compensate and then kick in and thus overwhelm our brain with drive to start seeking food again.

THAT is why it is so hard for Americans to lose weight.  There are already at least (the last I read) over 100 genes associated with obesity.  One size does not fit all.

Saying a person lacks the will to lose 10 or 15% of their weight is reasonable.  I tell people that with any motivation and discipline they should be able to do that, otherwise they are just lazy, don't get it, don't care etc.  But more than that is nearly IMPOSSIBLE.

I could try to find scientific artilce and post when I have more time.

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