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3001  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Here is her website on: January 18, 2016, 06:44:05 AM

She is one in a billion (or at least 100 million)

If I had another life this is what I would wish to be:  not a President, not a sports star, not a celebrity, not the richest man, but to be a genius in physics.  Physics is the closest to truth.   The rest, as Shakespeare said, is just a playing a part on a stage.
3002  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Dem (darn) debate on: January 18, 2016, 06:26:47 AM
Did you notice how many bathroom breaks, ah, oh, I mean, commercial, breaks there were?
3003  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left on: January 17, 2016, 01:34:58 PM
"Now, none of that will surprise anyone who has spent time among the long-term unemployed or their -progeny, such as the police, social workers and teachers. You might even say it’s bleedin’ obvious."

Lib response:

"not one shred of evidence!"


"there may be a few bad apples, but the overwhelming majority ARE victims with no alternatives"
3004  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential on: January 17, 2016, 07:31:24 AM
I think Cruz would destroy Hillary in a debate.
3005  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Sen.Ted Cruz on: January 17, 2016, 07:30:33 AM

Very impressive indeed.

Some of the videos are over 2 yrs old though.

The Carville one is amazing but I don't trust Carville's motives.

Cruz is the one for me.  Trump probably second and Rubio third for me.

I am definitely one of the Jews for Cruz!  smiley
3006  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Oldest known tune on: January 16, 2016, 08:38:22 PM
Get your dance shoes on:
3007  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Unsung heros - Judicial Watch on: January 16, 2016, 02:04:52 PM
"It’s difficult to see how these inaccurate responses could have been simple mistakes, because the IG report demonstrated that many people who were demonstrably aware of Clinton’s secret private email server chose to feign ignorance."

"That’s essentially what happened during the first stage of Judicial Watch’s pursuit of Benghazi documents, too. The State Department claimed it could find no further responsive emails, the case was closed… and then reopened after the existence of Clinton’s secret mail server was revealed."

Sounds like the Copyright office.  Pull records and make them disappear or switch around then when anyone complains they feign ignorance and claim that you are mistaken and if one shows them evidence they claim it was all just a mistake and find the material.  (if not switched)

I called Judicial Watch and do not recall who I spoke to but he believed everything I said without batting an eye and said that is par for the course.  They were sympathetic but unable to help me

No one in government is held accountable and all I can say is THANK GOD for Judicial Watch.  Without them EVERY dirty speck of corruption gets swept under the rug.

It's disgusting.   Government employees can get away with little to no accountability like no others.

3008  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / fusercluck on: January 16, 2016, 05:18:50 AM
Welcome to Puerto Rico
3009  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Retail ready to crash on: January 15, 2016, 06:13:33 PM
Better short this retail stock:
3010  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential on: January 15, 2016, 02:10:24 PM
well I posted on the other thread no one except Christy answered the questions on the national debt or social security shortfalls.

The debt is to me the biggest threat the US faces.  If capitalism cannot address this we are in for a big mess to say the least.

I thought Cruz sounded bad on NYC but I thought it ironic that Trump was criticizing him for being insulting.

Other than that Christy was decent as was Kasich though we know they are conciliators.

Bush just cannot accept he is done.

Boy Hank Greenberg must have really felt like he owed the Bush family big time for bailing out AIG to be stupid enough to give Jeb $10 million at this point.

Talk about throwing good money after bad.....
3011  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Political Rants & interesting thought pieces on: January 15, 2016, 08:49:05 AM
I saw most of the debate last night. 

My biggest concern was when some candidates were asked about how they would solve the national debt and social security debts everyone but one sidestepped the issues.

I don't recall Christy commenting on the debt but he does have a plan to save social security one trillion. 

To me this is the largest threat to the US.   The progressive debt problems.   And no one (except for the one exception) even answered the questions and both moderators who were otherwise, I felt did a good job, pressed for answers.   

Indeed every candidate on that stage should have been forced to deal with those 2 issues.

3012  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / 2 issues seem hard to keep separate. Citizenship and eligibility for President on: January 14, 2016, 10:47:43 AM
I cannot agree with the proposal that anyone who is a citizen for 14 years and renounces any previous sovereign citizenship or loyalty is eligible.

The conclusion that this discriminates the rights of a foreign born citizen of their rights  is a big stretch.

Cited as justification is the smaller world we live in with migration being common etc.

This is exactly the reason we cannot allow someone to come here from somewhere else and after 14 years trust them to "renounce" previous allegiance and thus be able to be President.

I am not clear.  Examples given include citizens who live abroad and have a baby.   Levin keeps citing this with the further extreme of the citizen being military personnel,   Well what if that person goes to another country and becomes a citizen of that country?  Well if they can keep dual citizenship that may be ok.  But what if he/she doesn't?

From the opposite point of view what if a citizen from another country is here on business, or pleasure and happens to give birth here.  Is that not ridiculous that that person's baby is automatically a citizen?

The logic can be applied to someone here illegally.  There child can become President.  Is that not absurd?

Perhaps the citizenship issue should be better decided upon.  However we know full well the leftist justices will support interpretations along party lines.
3013  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / To guru Crafty on: January 13, 2016, 12:37:26 PM
A little late for New Year but I would like to thank you for keeping this forum going for so long.
I really enjoy it, learn from it, and appreciate all your hard work that goes into it.

Happy New Year to you and all those who participate who make this a great hobby, sounding board, and social event for me.
3014  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Doug question on: January 13, 2016, 12:35:10 PM
Question for Doug (or anyone)

What is your take on a Rubio Cruz or Cruz Rubio ticket?

Is that tenable?
3015  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed on: January 13, 2016, 11:21:37 AM
I just emailed the Conservative review to inquire if they have a scorecard for governors like they do for senators and congressmen.

It is a good resource for those who want to get an objective measure of the conservativeness, if you will, of our elected officials.

Amazingly there are a few Republicans who are less conservative then many Democrats.  Even a few who score lower than even Pelosi or Reid!

I wonder about this Niki Halley SC governor.  She sounds like a rhino to me.  I don't trust her.

ESPECIALLY when even Democrats are lauding her speech.  That is a huge red flag to me!
3016  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Hillbillary Clintons long, sordid, and often criminal history on: January 12, 2016, 03:46:41 PM
From another thread Doug writes,

" I also have money on Hillary not being the Dem nominee..."

Rush rightly said to not get our hopes up that she will get indicted.  Yet my hopes are.   Which means I lose a bet but the country wins big.

Of course more than half the (c)rats do not think she should drop out even if indicted!   angry@##$%^&*()

Nixon must be laughing his head off 'bout now.  grin

To think she gets knocked out for corruption would be just as sweet as if Trump who was made a joke by Brock won as he the latter leaves town.

Of course to take over the UN and continue the progressives push for world domination with one governing body and an end to the concept of country.  
3017  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Money, the Fed, Banking, Monetary Policy, Dollar & other currencies, Gold/Silver on: January 12, 2016, 11:30:08 AM
Don't worry.  The bankers will find a way to control the bitcoin.   Someone has to monitor and control that no?
3018  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Sen.Ted Cruz on: January 12, 2016, 11:29:16 AM
Jus sanguinis

I just looked this up.  This is the right to citizenship by since one or both parents are citizens.

But the professor quoted in the article states this was not (at least in his opinion) the 'intent' of the founders.

Except through the father's side (which sort of makes sense in the 18th century when women did not have the right to vote) but not the father's side.
If his interpretation is correct than Cruz would not be a natural born citizen with regard to the original intent of the writers of the Constitution.

I don't know if the amendments specifically address this.

I haven't heard Levin's take on this interpretation.   As much as I like him he does sound a bit hypocritical on this.   Our side should not be blindly hypocritical.

If valid questions can be brought up about McCains or Obamas or anchor babies citizen status than the same goes for "our" guys.
3019  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Sen.Ted Cruz on: January 11, 2016, 06:36:56 PM
Apart from Mark Levin's yelling and hollering this makes sense to me:
3020  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Hot on the runway on: January 10, 2016, 11:13:13 PM
3021  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Hillbillary Clintons long, sordid, and often criminal history on: January 10, 2016, 11:08:36 PM
Here we go again.  Not one shred of evidence.

Anyone notice the burlap bag she is wearing?  There is something very socialist about her latest attire.   I vaguely recall seeing futuristic movies with the President wearing these little Chairman Mao like garbs.  That is what she is wearing now.   She changed her look fro one of an early Americana like pantsuit with the scarf around the neck to look like one of the old presidential portraits to a socialist's garb
Must be to steal back some of Bernie's communist hoards.   She is just an average comrade like you and me of course.
3022  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Politics of Health Care on: January 10, 2016, 10:57:40 PM
These guys really thought offering people chump change was going to have them lose 15% of their weight for a year?   Lets see.  If you deny yourself what you crave to eat will pay you $550 bucks.  That will work.  Well Dr. Patel got his name in the paper I guess.   I don't know why these pencil pushing data crunching faux pax researchers are taken seriously.  Thanks Bamster care.
3023  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Political Rants & interesting thought pieces on: January 10, 2016, 10:09:05 PM
Some of the "top" choices for a woman for the $10 dollar bill:

Every one is basically not so much a champion for America as a champion for liberal causes.

Maybe we could have bills for liberals and bills for the rest of us.

Well what else would one expect from the most leftist President and his socialist appointees?

3024  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump on: January 10, 2016, 04:46:38 PM
I am not quite as negative on Trump as you.

Cruz is my first choice.

Rubio is up there with Trump to me.

Somethings I like about Kasich but he is just too much of an appeaser.

So is Christie.  

Carson never struck me as really ever viable.


Who else?
3025  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Another Obama parting gift; judicial appointments on: January 10, 2016, 04:38:43 PM
3026  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Sen.Ted Cruz on: January 10, 2016, 04:16:39 PM
This is to my knowledge the first time anyone except for Trump did not back down to the leftist pulling at the heart strings shame game.

His answer could include also that hundreds of thousands go through a legal process which exists to have people apply and gain citizenship in our country.
3027  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump on: January 10, 2016, 04:08:44 PM

PS ,  at least the Vikings did better than the Giants this year. 
3028  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: North and South Korea on: January 10, 2016, 04:06:16 PM
Well if history serves us correctly here NK is playing the same game they always play.

They are all bluff awaiting another appeasing deal the West is great at caving into.

3029  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump on: January 10, 2016, 04:03:43 PM
"It is a political advantage for him to not layout solutions.  For us it means we're screwed."

Not necessarily
Don't you think that if he lays out all the details of policy now that Hillary with her 50 divisions of spinners and an adoring media will not "out wonk" him to death?

I understand the risk if he becomes the Repub nominee, and than does NOT deliver.   But wouldn't it be great to see him up in a general election debate knocking her off her skanky scripted perch with one surprise after another.   He will kick her off ass all over the stage.
He will get to the policy mountain top before her and lay claim before she can bullshit her way there.

My point is the element of surprise will work great against Hillary. Otherwise she will stake out every poll group tested policy spot that makes her as it did with her husband very difficult to beat.

You just said don't underestimate him.

And we both know not to underestimate Hillary's mafia organization.

3030  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump on: January 10, 2016, 02:49:48 PM
DDF, I don't get what your saying.

That Trump is liberal?
3031  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Penn self made jerk off on: January 10, 2016, 02:48:22 PM
Well I would doubt he knowingly led the saw to this guy but that said I wish him thousands of sleepless nights worrying if his time has come:
3032  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / FOIA Loophole? on: January 10, 2016, 02:22:26 PM
Does this slimy Clinton legal argument hold any merit whatsoever?   Any legal experts who have a moment to explain to a first grade legal expert - moi shocked
3033  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump on: January 10, 2016, 12:52:40 PM
Doug writes,

"I watched DT on the shows this morning and need to concede (again) that anyone who (still) underestimates his political skills does so to their own peril.  I agreed with him about 90% of the time in the Fox News Sunday and Meet the Press interviews.  Like Perot, his strength is to point out what is wrong, not to lay out solutions. "

Wow Doug!   I didn't see the shows but if YOU were impressed then I am sure I would be.

The last part of your post "not to lay out solutions" is as (I think it was PP who also pointed this out) a big advantage at this stage.   We all know the Clinton machine studies their opponents ears, throat, anus, vagina, urethra, retinas and everything else and collect the data and send it to their "war rooms" to look at the data from every freakin angle  and poll test it with every conceivable response and then be ready to hit all the adoring media outlets with rapid fire overwhelming blitzkrieg airway and digital saturation propaganda.   

So not letting them knwo ahead of time unitl "the last minute" what you are thinking or what your response will be to their blitzkreigs is a great strategy.  The question remains though is this really a deliberate strategy or just the only way Trump knows how to work?  I am not sure.

Like said Hillary is an A+ student when she has time to have her mafia army figure it all out for her and she is an F student without that.   Can anyone trust her as a commander who has to make quick decisions?   -  NO!

Again military strategy does explain this well.
3034  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Rolling Stone and Sean Penn on: January 10, 2016, 11:41:06 AM
This is just so despicable I don't know what to say.  As a victim of organized crime this is just another example of how people idolize cruel people.   I sincerely hope with all my heart and soul that something tragic befalls Sean Penn:
3035  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / (Soon to be convict) Sid's source on: January 10, 2016, 11:30:26 AM

Sid's source is here.  Of course he recently died:
3036  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump on: January 10, 2016, 11:23:30 AM
Bigdog's article (I mean Crafty's) looking at the campaign of Trump from a military strategy point of view is interesting indeed.   Trump's unpredictable style is actually perfect for Hillary who is an F student in new situations.

Without her machine support telling her what to say, do, behave, dress she is nothing.

Yet the article points out that Trump may not have the capacity to learn and adapt and that may be his downfall.

So far he has displayed some learning of issues but we shall see in time if he can truly rise above the soundbites.

Voting for him is a VERY big risk.

I feel the risk is lower for Cruz and lower still for Rubio but I just don't see Rubio as a world leader.

I like the comparison of Trump to Putin.  There are some similarities.  I certainly like Putin's nationalism.  Unlike the libs here who are selling there own people down the toilet.

But once again I am not sure how Trump would fare on the world stage.   If he insults some in the international community - so what?

Do we want a suck up egg or a leader who represents US?

I want a leader.   Not a PC clown.
3037  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Gov. Jeb Bush on: January 10, 2016, 11:11:30 AM
Jeb comment that Trump has "hijacked the Republican Party" just unmasks the outrageous arrogance of this man.

I respect George H as a great American.   He was too much of a globalist not unlike many progressives as well as a rhino so to speak.

I respect and like W the most.  He is humble brought integrity to the office though of course he was a rhino too and made a mistake with Iraq though well intentioned.

But the chutzpah of this guy Jeb to act and think he is entitled to be President is just off the charts to me.

In this regard he is not unlike Hillary.

I have no respect remaining for him.

3038  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump on: December 28, 2015, 12:22:36 PM
"The one who reminds me of a Reagan is you-know-who (not Cruz or Trump"

But Doug,

Bobby Jindal dropped out.   grin
3039  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Hillbillary Clintons long, sordid, and often criminal history on: December 28, 2015, 12:20:38 PM
And people want to complain about corruption in other countries.  It is widespread here.  Clinton has obviously committed multiple felonies and so far not a peep.

The joke is on real law abiding citizens. 
3040  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the Republicans on: December 24, 2015, 08:04:50 PM
NOTHING makes me want Trump to win more than this from "our" own side".  This is even worse than the attacks from the left.  They still don't get it do they? 

*****George Will: Beating Hillary Less Important Than Stopping Trump
Mark Wilson/Getty Images; Robyn Beck/AFP/Getty

by Ben Shapiro24 Dec 20152,966

As the end of the year approaches, Donald Trump is solidly ensconced at the top of the Republican polls nationally. The man just behind him? Senator
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)
, an establishment bugaboo. The establishment’s favorite candidate, Senator
Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL)

, is currently running far behind in national polling, a distant third in Iowa, and in a deadlock with Cruz and New Jersey Governor Chris Christie for second in New Hampshire.
Panic time.

So, here’s the establishment roundup for Christmas week.

If You Support Donald Trump, You Want to Lose. Earlier this week, Bret Stephens of The Wall Street Journal unleashed a petulant column accusing all Trump and Cruz backers of begging for defeat. “Let us now pledge to elect Hillary Clinton as the 45th president of the United States,” he snarked. “Let’s do this because it’s what we want. Maybe secretly, maybe unconsciously, but desperately. We want four—and probably eight—more years of cable-news neuralgia. We want to drive ourselves to work as Mark Levin or Laura Ingraham scratch our ideological itches until they bleed a little. We want the refiner’s fire that is our righteous indignation at a country we claim no longer to recognize—ruled by impostors and overrun by foreigners.” Stephens specifically singled out Cruz for criticism, calling him a flip-flopper “happy to be on any side of an issue so long as he can paint himself as a ‘real Republican.’”

If We Have to Lose to Beat Trump, So Be It. When establishment columnists weren’t painting large swaths of the Republican base as politically suicidal, they were calling for suicide. George Will, iconic columnist, wrote today, “Conservatives’ highest priority now must be to prevent Trump from winning the Republican nomination in this, the GOP’s third epochal intraparty struggle in 104 years.” Never mind that Mitt Romney strayed from conservatism so far that he invented Obamacare; never mind that
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ)
 crafted campaign finance reform and amnesty. No, it’s Trump who singularly represents the death of the conservative ideal.

Of course, Will might just be miffed that Trump recently said “I think I have a much higher IQ… You have these guys like George Will. He sits with the little spectacles. If he didn’t have the spectacles, you wouldn’t think he’s smart because he’s wrong so much.”

Hey, Anybody Wanna Start a Third Party? Months ago, establishment Republicans complained that Donald Trump would not vow to forgo a third party run. Now, they’re thinking of a third party themselves. Weekly Standard editor-in-chief Bill Kristol tweeted:

Crowd-sourcing: Name of the new party we’ll have to start if Trump wins the GOP nomination? Suggestions welcome at

— Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) December 20, 2015

And as I explained earlier this week:

Politico’s Jeff Greenfield says, “If the operatives I talked with are right, Trump running as a Republican could well face a third-party run – from the Republicans themselves”….Jeb Bush’s aides “began looking into the possibility of making a clear break with Trump – potentially with the candidate stating that, if Trump were the nominee, Bush would not support him.” Last week, MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough said that former Mississippi governor Haley Barbour “and a lot of the Republican leaders would much rather Hillary Clinton be President of the United States than have Donald Trump represent them as a Republican.” And in November, The Hill reported that “GOP establishment donors have confided to The Hill that for the first time in recent memory, they find themselves contemplating not supporting a Republican nominee for president.”

Gawd, Almighty. Jonah Goldberg of National Review sounded the alarm in September when he wrote, “Well, if this is the conservative movement now, I guess you’re going to have to count me out.” That’s been a consistent refrain from some of the columnists over at National Review – many of whom I like, respect, and read regularly. But here’s the problem, again: this is the party of Bob Dole and George H.W. Bush and John McCain and Mitt Romney. Ideological purity, unfortunately, went out the window long ago. And many of those who have suddenly discovered ideological purity didn’t have it when they were touting John Kasich. Today, Goldberg writes hilariously that he has endorsed the Sweet Meteor O’Death:

Only one candidate can unite us all in a way George W. Bush and Barack H. Obama could not. You’ve probably already guessed who I have in mind. But just in case you haven’t, it’s the Sweet Meteor O’Death, or, as he’s known on Twitter, @Smod2016.

There’s only one problem for Goldberg: Donald Trump may in fact be the Sweet Meteor O’Death.

So, here we are. Trump isn’t going anywhere, and he isn’t going anywhere because the same people who decry his rise are the ones who told grassroots Republicans to ignore conservatism in favor of “who could win.” Merry Christmas, establishment Republicans: you can thank yourselves for that giant lump of coal in your stocking.

Ben Shapiro is Senior Editor-At-Large of Breitbart News, Editor-in-Chief of, and The New York Times bestselling author, most recently, of the book, The People vs. Barack Obama: The Criminal Case Against The Obama Administration (Threshold Editions, June 10, 2014). Follow Ben Shapiro on Twitter @benshapiro.****
3041  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / TrumpClinton poll: DEAD HEAT on: December 24, 2015, 07:51:15 PM
Wow.   I think it is a CNN poll.

PP, check this out:

Crude grade school language "trumps" lies, sleaze, corruption  grin shocked cheesy
3042  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump on: December 24, 2015, 07:39:24 PM
Anyone who thinks Putin knew nothing of this guy's murder with polonium (only 3 countries in the world can even produce it)  can go ahead and vote for Hillary because she is honest.  BTW the polonium trail led back to Russia but Putin refused to let the British police track beyond the airport.  Gee I wonder why.

I rest my case.  wink
3043  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Obama trickery? on: December 24, 2015, 07:34:44 PM
There is something very suspicious here with this sudden announcement about DHS rounding up a trivial number of illegals.  I suspect OBama thinks that this show is going to somehow lay shame and guilt on the Republicans.
I predict it will be welcomed by more people than they think.  Maybe even more than they think by Hispanics who are here legally.   There is obviously political calculation to this.  Obrock is not doing because it is the right thing.  We know that:

*****A political bomb is about to blow up in the Democrats’ faces

 Greg Sargent December 24 at 9:18 AM   

U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson (Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)


This scoop from Jerry Markon and David Nakamura is going to scramble the politics of immigration in the presidential race, and it may create more problems for Democrats than for Republicans:

The Department of Homeland Security has begun preparing for a series of raids that would target for deportation hundreds of families who have flocked to the United States since the start of last year, according to people familiar with the operation.

The nationwide campaign, to be carried out by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents as soon as early January, would be the first large-scale effort to deport families who have fled violence in Central America, those familiar with the plan said. More than 100,000 families with both adults and children have made the journey across the southwest border since last year, though this migration has largely been overshadowed by a related surge of unaccompanied minors.

The ICE operation would target only adults and children who have already been ordered removed from the United States by an immigration judge, according to officials familiar with the undertaking…The adults and children would be detained wherever they can be found and immediately deported. The number targeted is expected to be in the hundreds and possibly greater.

Read the rest for the details, but the short version is that there has been vigorous internal debate inside the Obama administration about this policy, and it has not been signed off on officially. The administration has long signaled that families crossing over illegally who do not qualify for asylum will be deported. But advocates have been urging the administration to treat these migrants as refugees, because experts believe that violence in Central America is a key reason for their efforts to cross the southern border.

In a preview of more to come, a leading immigration advocate, Frank Sharry of America’s Voice, told me that there will be intense pressure on the Democratic presidential candidates — particularly likely nominee Hillary Clinton — to denounce the new policy. Sharry pointed out that this could force Clinton to decide whether to align with immigration advocates and Latinos, as she’s been doing in hopes of winning the Latino vote by a huge margin in the general election, which would mean breaking with the Obama administration and adopting a position that Republicans will attack as weak on immigration enforcement.

“This will be a political nightmare for the Democrats,” Sharry told me. “The specter of raids picking up families and sending them back to violent countries is going to put Hillary Clinton in a difficult position. She’ll have to choose between protecting refugees from Central America, a demand of the Latino community, or standing with the law-and-order position of Obama and Republicans.”

Clinton has faced a similar predicament before. In 2014, when the crisis of unaccompanied children crossing the border dominated the news, Clinton triggered an outcry from immigration advocates when she suggested that they should be “sent back.” Clinton subsequently clarified her position, arguing that the process should be improved so those children who are genuine refugees would be recognized and treated as such. But the episode called into question whether Clinton can take Latino support for granted.

The new moves also may threaten to blur the contrasts that Democrats have been working hard to draw with Republicans. The rise of Donald Trump — with his call for mass deportations and fondness for insulting millions of immigrants — has helped drag the GOP ever rightward on immigration and has Democrats dreaming of a 2012-level victory among Latinos in 2016, a demographic edge that would be very hard for Republicans to overcome. Sharry suggested that if the Dem nominee doesn’t full-throatedly condemn the new policy, it could compromise the sharp contrast Dems have etched.

Indeed, one can imagine Trump taking credit for the stepped-up deportations at one of his rallies, arguing that, by forcing a conversation about the true nature of the immigrant threat (which he likes to claim credit for doing), he has forced spineless elites to confront it. That could theoretically make it harder for Clinton to align with Obama. “The administration will be accused of being Trump-like with immigrants,” Sharry said. “She’ll have
3044  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump on: December 24, 2015, 05:34:12 PM
"I have lived under Putin, my daughter still does.... My only comment is, "what's not to like?" Seriously."

Well people who have criticized him have been found dead.  Who would believe this does not occur without his "OK"?

3045  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Immigration issues on: December 24, 2015, 05:29:44 PM
DDF wrote:

"I was obviously being sarcastic"

Yes I knew you were.  I was just agreeing with you with more sarcasm in the way of phony leftist and Chamber of Commerce propaganda.  cool
3046  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Support our troops on: December 24, 2015, 01:17:47 PM
Interesting.  New ship named after a private first class deceased medal of honor recipient:

Seems better than just after another President or State.
3047  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential on: December 24, 2015, 01:09:32 PM
I assume you know that photo is faked?
3048  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Media Issues on: December 24, 2015, 01:07:13 PM
Now the headlines are Megyn (egotist) Kelly vs (Trump) the egotist in the marketing gimmicks for the next debate.

Trump should get paid $5 million for his performance from Fox.

Just like celebrity headlines about who is divorcing who, who is sleeping or cheating on who, who is feuding with who.  It is all bullshit to promote sales.

Now the debates have become commercialized crap.

3049  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump on: December 24, 2015, 01:03:31 PM
"That there is no proof that Putin is guilty of murder is an absurdity"

I would add, "that there is no proof Hillary is guilty of multiple felonies" is also an absurdity.

There is much corruption here.  Not as violent and maybe more behind the scenes but ask any Eastern European immigrant.  They see it just about as corrupt here in the good old USA.
3050  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Immigration issues on: December 24, 2015, 12:57:09 PM
"I think they should all get full citizenship."

Absolutely.  This would be "good" for us and for America!

We all benefit.  rolleyes
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