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3101  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Afpakia: Afghanistan-Pakistan on: May 03, 2012, 03:11:37 PM
"You may not have noticed that since the mid-1970's there has been a bit of change in the media environment."

Yes that is true.  There were newspapers, some radio and 6 oclock and 11 oclock news.  So maybe the 24/7 news, media, internet cycle results in stories "blending" in or getting lost in the blitz.

" Also, remember all the pissed off conservatives talking about how the constant coverage of the body count in Somalia and then later in Iraq and Afghanistan undermined the mission?"

No actually, I don't.
3102  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Afpakia: Afghanistan-Pakistan on: May 02, 2012, 01:07:59 PM
Well Bigdog perhaps you are not old enough to remember Vietnam.

I agree with Doug.  Good for the NYS(limes) and USA today.  As for cable and internet yahoo news I don't see much.

3103  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / 33 dead last month in Afghanistan on: May 01, 2012, 01:26:47 PM
As noted on Drudge complete silence from the MSM.  I remember quite well during Vietnam hearing EVERY single day the death and injury count on the networks.   Remarkable hypocracy.  When W was President we heard constant daily baggering about Guatanomo and water boarding as torture including from the phoney American in the WH.   We have our own people dying and near silence.   I heard the ex CIA guy on Hannity speaking last night how he was offended about the he and others being accused of torturing people at the same time I hear the jerk in chief running around taking credit for essentially murdering Bin Ladin in cold blood.  Not that I care about Bin Laden but why is one politically correct but not the other - answer - politics.

http://www.unknownsoldiersblog.com/2012/05/bigger-than-day.html
3104  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Economist: A third industrial revoluction on: May 01, 2012, 10:48:56 AM
In progress.  Gigantic fortunes to be made (never by me):

The third industrial revolution
The digitisation of manufacturing will transform the way goods are made—and change the politics of jobs too
Apr 21st 2012 | from the print edition

..
 
THE first industrial revolution began in Britain in the late 18th century, with the mechanisation of the textile industry. Tasks previously done laboriously by hand in hundreds of weavers’ cottages were brought together in a single cotton mill, and the factory was born. The second industrial revolution came in the early 20th century, when Henry Ford mastered the moving assembly line and ushered in the age of mass production. The first two industrial revolutions made people richer and more urban. Now a third revolution is under way. Manufacturing is going digital. As this week’s special report argues, this could change not just business, but much else besides.

A number of remarkable technologies are converging: clever software, novel materials, more dexterous robots, new processes (notably three-dimensional printing) and a whole range of web-based services. The factory of the past was based on cranking out zillions of identical products: Ford famously said that car-buyers could have any colour they liked, as long as it was black. But the cost of producing much smaller batches of a wider variety, with each product tailored precisely to each customer’s whims, is falling. The factory of the future will focus on mass customisation—and may look more like those weavers’ cottages than Ford’s assembly line.

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The old way of making things involved taking lots of parts and screwing or welding them together. Now a product can be designed on a computer and “printed” on a 3D printer, which creates a solid object by building up successive layers of material. The digital design can be tweaked with a few mouseclicks. The 3D printer can run unattended, and can make many things which are too complex for a traditional factory to handle. In time, these amazing machines may be able to make almost anything, anywhere—from your garage to an African village.

The applications of 3D printing are especially mind-boggling. Already, hearing aids and high-tech parts of military jets are being printed in customised shapes. The geography of supply chains will change. An engineer working in the middle of a desert who finds he lacks a certain tool no longer has to have it delivered from the nearest city. He can simply download the design and print it. The days when projects ground to a halt for want of a piece of kit, or when customers complained that they could no longer find spare parts for things they had bought, will one day seem quaint.

Other changes are nearly as momentous. New materials are lighter, stronger and more durable than the old ones. Carbon fibre is replacing steel and aluminium in products ranging from aeroplanes to mountain bikes. New techniques let engineers shape objects at a tiny scale. Nanotechnology is giving products enhanced features, such as bandages that help heal cuts, engines that run more efficiently and crockery that cleans more easily. Genetically engineered viruses are being developed to make items such as batteries. And with the internet allowing ever more designers to collaborate on new products, the barriers to entry are falling. Ford needed heaps of capital to build his colossal River Rouge factory; his modern equivalent can start with little besides a laptop and a hunger to invent.

Like all revolutions, this one will be disruptive. Digital technology has already rocked the media and retailing industries, just as cotton mills crushed hand looms and the Model T put farriers out of work. Many people will look at the factories of the future and shudder. They will not be full of grimy machines manned by men in oily overalls. Many will be squeaky clean—and almost deserted. Some carmakers already produce twice as many vehicles per employee as they did only a decade or so ago. Most jobs will not be on the factory floor but in the offices nearby, which will be full of designers, engineers, IT specialists, logistics experts, marketing staff and other professionals. The manufacturing jobs of the future will require more skills. Many dull, repetitive tasks will become obsolete: you no longer need riveters when a product has no rivets.

The revolution will affect not only how things are made, but where. Factories used to move to low-wage countries to curb labour costs. But labour costs are growing less and less important: a $499 first-generation iPad included only about $33 of manufacturing labour, of which the final assembly in China accounted for just $8. Offshore production is increasingly moving back to rich countries not because Chinese wages are rising, but because companies now want to be closer to their customers so that they can respond more quickly to changes in demand. And some products are so sophisticated that it helps to have the people who design them and the people who make them in the same place. The Boston Consulting Group reckons that in areas such as transport, computers, fabricated metals and machinery, 10-30% of the goods that America now imports from China could be made at home by 2020, boosting American output by $20 billion-55 billion a year.

The shock of the new

Consumers will have little difficulty adapting to the new age of better products, swiftly delivered. Governments, however, may find it harder. Their instinct is to protect industries and companies that already exist, not the upstarts that would destroy them. They shower old factories with subsidies and bully bosses who want to move production abroad. They spend billions backing the new technologies which they, in their wisdom, think will prevail. And they cling to a romantic belief that manufacturing is superior to services, let alone finance.

None of this makes sense. The lines between manufacturing and services are blurring. Rolls-Royce no longer sells jet engines; it sells the hours that each engine is actually thrusting an aeroplane through the sky. Governments have always been lousy at picking winners, and they are likely to become more so, as legions of entrepreneurs and tinkerers swap designs online, turn them into products at home and market them globally from a garage. As the revolution rages, governments should stick to the basics: better schools for a skilled workforce, clear rules and a level playing field for enterprises of all kinds. Leave the rest to the revolutionaries.

3105  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: california on: May 01, 2012, 09:57:44 AM
JDN writes,

"Yes, I agree, it is difficult to always be cheerful about this states future. We do have our problems.  That said, in some ways I am glad so many are leaving."

I recall reading in the Economist that if California stopped every government service they offer the debt is so large in wouldn't evn make a dent. 

JDN's post is a certainly proof that socialism/liberalism/progressive or what ever label they want to call themselves to hide who they are is a disease.  A cancer without end.   Not you personally JDN , but your politics.

Don't worry be happy.  The rich can pay for all of us.
3106  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Nor will wringing every drop of oil from the OBL thing help BO on: April 27, 2012, 04:03:48 PM
GM "pandering" not helping.

  I agree.  Nor will this.   So what has BO done for us lately.  This is OLD news and while good news not worthy of re-election.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/04/obama-holds-bin-laden-interview-in-situation-room-121873.html
3107  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / The smartest guy I know on the economy on: April 26, 2012, 07:03:38 PM
Of course the man who said this was thinking he is the smartest guy on everything else:

Good article by Jonah Goldberg on Corzine and Obama.

http://www.nationalreview.com/author/56454/latest
3108  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / iran got INTACT drone on: April 26, 2012, 06:07:24 PM
From another thread - my thinking was suppose the military let them have a drone with phoney or misleading construction or hardware/software/codes etc.   Let Iran think they can crack our codes when in fact this will lead them off base.  Perhaps we are not that smart.......

Also I wondered if this was some sort of show for the Israeli's that "you see we are serious about watching your back we are actually sending drones over Iran....."

OTOH it could be a total screw up and we lost a drone to Iran because it was defective, they did hack into its control mechanism, or something like that.

I would like to think it is a brilliant feint.


  ******Drone "captured" intact?
« Reply #533 on: Today at 12:14:50 PM » 

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Just a thought.   Suppose the US military LET Iran have the drone?  For political and military reasons.

*****Iran capture US drone by hacking its GPS signal?
16:04 16 December 2011
AerospaceHackingPoliticsJeff Hecht, consultant

(Image: ABACA/Press Association Images)

How did Iran manage to capture a US robotic surveillance plane, which looks remarkably undamaged in an Iranian video? The US initially claimed the drone went astray over Afghanistan and blamed a malfunction, but Iran said it had brought the craft down 200 kilometres inside its border earlier this month.


Now the Christian Science Monitor reports that Iran jammed GPS signals and fooled the drone into landing at an Iranian base. "The GPS navigation is the weakest point," an unnamed Iranian engineer analysing the captured drone told a Monitor correspondent inside Iran. "By putting noise [jamming] on the communications, you force the bird into autopilot. This is where the bird loses its brain."

Once the drone lost its bearings, the engineer said, Iranians were able to reprogram its internal mapping system to think that its home base was an Iranian site at almost the same altitude. He added that the slight mismatch in altitude caused a rough landing that damaged the robot plane's landing gear and underside.

GPS signals are broadcast by satellites, so they are weak near the ground. That makes them vulnerable to interference from stronger nearby signals. Even military versions of GPS are vulnerable to electronic warfare, which usually seeks to disable key systems to bring down a plane. The Iranians claim to have taken that one step further by electronically capturing control of the remotely controlled robot craft.  A former Navy specialist told the Monitor that hostilely reprogramming a GPS to fly to a different home is "certainly possible".

Built by defense contractor Lockheed Martin, the RQ-170 Sentinel craft is a high-flying surveillance craft, which uses stealth technology to elude detection. Although details are classified, some information has leaked, including photos which match those shown by Iran.

At the time the US lost control, it was operated by the CIA. With no US controller operating it, the unmanned aircraft should have crashed - yet the one Iran displayed showed only a dent, although its landing gear was hidden.

If that's what happened to the CIA's Sentinel, it's going to prompt some serious rethinking of how to wage robotic warfare. You don't want the enemy to be able to capture and reprogram your robots so they fight you.*****


 
3109  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Drone "captured" intact? on: April 26, 2012, 02:14:50 PM
Just a thought.   Suppose the US military LET Iran have the drone?  For political and military reasons.

*****Iran capture US drone by hacking its GPS signal?
16:04 16 December 2011
AerospaceHackingPoliticsJeff Hecht, consultant

(Image: ABACA/Press Association Images)

How did Iran manage to capture a US robotic surveillance plane, which looks remarkably undamaged in an Iranian video? The US initially claimed the drone went astray over Afghanistan and blamed a malfunction, but Iran said it had brought the craft down 200 kilometres inside its border earlier this month.


Now the Christian Science Monitor reports that Iran jammed GPS signals and fooled the drone into landing at an Iranian base. "The GPS navigation is the weakest point," an unnamed Iranian engineer analysing the captured drone told a Monitor correspondent inside Iran. "By putting noise [jamming] on the communications, you force the bird into autopilot. This is where the bird loses its brain."

Once the drone lost its bearings, the engineer said, Iranians were able to reprogram its internal mapping system to think that its home base was an Iranian site at almost the same altitude. He added that the slight mismatch in altitude caused a rough landing that damaged the robot plane's landing gear and underside.

GPS signals are broadcast by satellites, so they are weak near the ground. That makes them vulnerable to interference from stronger nearby signals. Even military versions of GPS are vulnerable to electronic warfare, which usually seeks to disable key systems to bring down a plane. The Iranians claim to have taken that one step further by electronically capturing control of the remotely controlled robot craft.  A former Navy specialist told the Monitor that hostilely reprogramming a GPS to fly to a different home is "certainly possible".

Built by defense contractor Lockheed Martin, the RQ-170 Sentinel craft is a high-flying surveillance craft, which uses stealth technology to elude detection. Although details are classified, some information has leaked, including photos which match those shown by Iran.

At the time the US lost control, it was operated by the CIA. With no US controller operating it, the unmanned aircraft should have crashed - yet the one Iran displayed showed only a dent, although its landing gear was hidden.

If that's what happened to the CIA's Sentinel, it's going to prompt some serious rethinking of how to wage robotic warfare. You don't want the enemy to be able to capture and reprogram your robots so they fight you.


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inventor on December 16, 2011 5:25 PM
I've been warning people about that a long time. The US department of defense is crazy to use open source windows software to control military drones. Were they on drugs?

 
dominic vautier on December 16, 2011 7:39 PM
Drones like this can fly all by themselves and have redundant means of navigation. If something unexpected happens such as an attempt to take over control the drown goes dark and flies back home. It does not depend on gps or even the special military gps. It can use topography to get home and that is the main way it works since it can’t be fooled.

I find it incredible that the Iranians got this bird. The number one defensive goal of our military was to protect our investment so we use the best technique which is topography, not gps. We are so good at designing these things. How did they get it? That is the big question. It was not by jamming gps or breaking the tether or fooling the bird. It was some other way.


 
farhang on December 16, 2011 7:49 PM
The U.S should not send its drone some 250 kilometers inside Iran. What if Iran had done such a thing, it would have been called a "provocation". Since America's military satellites scan all over Iran then why the drone should be here?

 
Jason on December 16, 2011 7:56 PM
The most amazing thing for me is that it didn't have self-destruct.

 
Enola on December 16, 2011 10:31 PM
Dominic suggested that the drone can't be fooled. I have some suggestions:

. Maybe it is just a fibre glass model to spread false news.
. Maybe the US is letting them spread that false news to up the ante so that Iran can be perceived as increasingly belligerent ahead of a war.

. Maybe the US wanted that drone to be caught for the reason above.
. Maybe they let them have it to underestimate their technology.
. Maybe it is secretly transmitting back to the US the Iranian's reverse engineering technology and the people doing it.

. If it is genuine, why did Iran let them know they caught one. Newer ones will now be upgraded.

Finally,
. Maybe it was not caught but snared in the air and brought down.

 
pres on December 16, 2011 10:46 PM
Whatever, if the US did not want them to have it then it was, at least, some payback for the US/Israeli STUXNET debacle.

 
sniper310 on December 17, 2011 5:02 AM
Stupid.. at least they should have have an auto fry for the electronics. Some brainless pilot must have went out for a cup of coffee. Was probably brought down by a high altitude jamming/intercept source.

 
GKZH on December 17, 2011 7:11 AM
But how iranian knew that there is a flying object to start interfere in it's brain?

 
Mark on December 17, 2011 8:51 AM
New land based GPS technology such as GPS 2.0 created by an Australian private company Locata would have prevented this hijacking of the satellite GPS signal.

Radio reception a terrestrial GPS beacon has 1 billion times the signal strength of a satellite GPS beacon - in normal civilian applications - making jaming harder to do..

 
morteza on December 17, 2011 11:49 AM
We, as iranians, are not your enemies as you mentioned in the last sentence. that was random and rude. Surveillance or spy bird, whatever you call it, was caught over another country, this does not make that country an enemy, and give you permission to start a new war.

 
Peter jackson on December 17, 2011 3:33 PM
Wow it is Possible ....!...........if it is possible, that is an incredible but extremly dangerous.....beware of this things.

 
d on December 17, 2011 3:41 PM
The build quality of the plane looks rather low

 
jemand on December 17, 2011 4:56 PM
If this bird is real and represents state of the art stealth aero-tech, then what will China do for Iran to get it's hands on it? Then again, it might be a decoy to test Chinese intelligence contacts with Iran. The possibilities are almost endless.

 
David Oldfield on December 17, 2011 6:43 PM
Anything that can be programmed, can be re-programmed.
That incudes planes and people.

 
GreenBoy on December 17, 2011 10:03 PM
I'm Iranian. I am completely against Iran's government. but I want to add some comments:
1- Was it fair to send a surveillance aircraft to Iran? Is it for or against human rights?
2- How did Iran know the presence of the RQ-170 on its air? It may be just an invention made by Iran government.
3- I know this government. They are master of doing such these.

 
Ham on December 18, 2011 5:05 AM
I wonder what pilots have to say about this? How would this have been handled if it had be a real person in the cockpit? One also wonders that if GPS can be hijacked by enemies, then can those enemies eventually turn around a fleet of drones and have them attack the sender countries? Or fly into targets?
Hamilton

 
Gigawatt on December 18, 2011 11:07 AM
SkyNet

 
Sean on December 18, 2011 10:52 PM
I agree with morteza and GreenBoy. Iran is not an enemy. It's only paranoid America that thinks it is and so they send those drones over Iran to spy on them. If it was the other way round then America would blast Iran all over the media and Iran would be a radioactive wasteland within minutes. I am sick of all this talk about how Iran is building a nuclear arsenal, so what if they are? What possible threat could they pose to America with it's thousands of missiles? Stop building this tension to fever pitch and just leave them alone!

 
Anon on December 19, 2011 2:11 AM
A former Navy specialist told the Monitor that hostilely reprogramming a GPS to fly to a different home is "certainly possible".

Maybe that's why he's not a specialist anymore. Jam the feeble GPS signals? Sure. Fool a military GPS receiver with false signals? Highly unlikely.

 
@Sean on December 19, 2011 2:16 AM
"Iran would be a radioactive wasteland within minutes."

Yes, because, as the first country with nuclear weapons, the United States has used them on
3110  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Media Issues on: April 26, 2012, 02:02:46 PM
***Blow writes: "as the 2010 midterm elections showed, economic issues are something of a Trojan horse for the right"   - huh?***

Blow is famous for letting emotion get in the way of any sound logic or common sense.

Then again the whole Democrat party is having a hard time explaining the liberal agenda in a logical/rational way.


3111  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / First family travel on: April 26, 2012, 01:57:04 PM
What do others think?  I really don't want to get into how much a first lady spends.  On one hand she is representing the US overseas.   I don't want or expect she travel coach.   I want the first family safe.   OTOH is she travelling the world sightseeing?  Hillary did the exact same thing.  I am not sure about other first ladies.   Certainly the Obamas will be financially secure enough to travel wherever they want after the Presidency is over.   

http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/26/group-michelle-obamas-spain-trip-cost-taxpayers-467k/
3112  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: April 25, 2012, 04:54:23 PM
Doug,

Cuomo is below the national radar screen now.  I don't keep up with NJ much les NY politics but everything I have read or heard about him is he is doing a good job in NY.   Even talk show host Bob Grant who hated Mario said this not too long ago.

The fact he is his father's (flaming liberal) son, and the fact he is a Democrat makes it hard for me to be objective but
this is what I am hearing.
3113  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Tax Policy on: April 25, 2012, 04:51:22 PM
Doug don't you like this guy Lovitz because he comes across as saying the truth?  He went into showbiz to become rich and famous.

Not like the other phoney celebs who pretend it was all about their craft and art.  They vote Dem for show.  For naricissm.  For BS reasons.   They appear to have to prove something.   Perhaps this makes them feel good about themselves.   Do they despise themselves that much?

I became a doctor for different reasons.  I didn't expect to get rich.  I did like the idea of helping people.  But if I said I didn't EXPECT to make a good living I would be lying.   What, was I supposed to work hard to achieve this because I am a darn saint?

3114  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Government programs & regulations, spending, deficit, and budget process on: April 25, 2012, 04:46:28 PM
"What we call Social Security has two different meanings. What the voters were sold or think of it as is a long term contract with the government where we pay in as we work and take payments back when we retire.  They hold it in that lockbox for safekeeping and compounding on our behalf.  Of course none of that is true"

Yes.   Correct me if I am wrong.   We recently heard SS is solvent till 2035 at which point it will run out of money!

And we should be glad because *that* estimated date is the same as the estimate last year.  Yet I haven't heard any MSM discussing how such a calculation HAS to be absurd.  Like Doug points out there is no money sitting anywhere for safekeeping.

It is all a moving target.  All based on assumptions about what is coming in keeping some sort of pace with what is going to be paid out.

As JDN points out only the government (and apparantly not every government - Europe which is tied to the Euro cannot print money) can make money out of thin air and claim it has value

Bottom line I don't beleive the year 2035 has much meaning.  It is all smoke and mirriors.  Where is the outrage in MSM?   It will emerge only if Romney wins.   
3115  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: US Economics, the stock market , and other investment/savings strategies on: April 24, 2012, 02:14:27 PM
GM,
Do you mean personal investing or for the future of the US?

I guess one could invest in something like this for their descendants.

Of course I might live to 200 years old. grin
3116  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Furthermore on: April 24, 2012, 02:11:50 PM
""It is no longer the case, in other words, that every Islamist is seen as a potential accessory to terrorists."

NO ONE ever said every single follower of Islam is a terrorist or potential terrorist.  Did not these idiots hear Bush W say LOUD AND CLEAR that we are not at war with Islam?

The problem is many still do wish us all dead.  Try figuring out which ones do and which ones don't.
3117  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Celeb angry at Brock over taxes on: April 24, 2012, 01:31:39 PM
Angry celeb over Obama and taxes.  The only thing I would add is that the whole Democratic party should be blamed for their personal power tax.   The whole modus is to rob people with money to buy votes.  Every tax I pay I think I am paying the Democrat mafia extortionists:

http://news.yahoo.com/snl-alum-obama-f-king-asshole-audio-140806261.html
3118  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The US Congress; Congressional races on: April 24, 2012, 12:37:03 PM
JDN,

Didn't you say you would have voted for McCain if not for Palin?
So you want a socialist one world government with regulation of everything?

You want a President who is as John Bolton points out is quite confortable with the retreat and minimalization, marginalization of the US?

3119  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Hillbillary Clintons long, sordid, and often criminal history on: April 24, 2012, 12:13:22 PM
She may have whipped him a few times...... wink
3120  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: April 24, 2012, 12:12:22 PM
"Too bad that with either Hillary or Biden that they are not grooming any new leaders with more traditional  Dem values for the future."

Andrew Cuomo is next in line I think.

He would win before the Biden clown.
3121  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Hillbillary Clintons long, sordid, and often criminal history on: April 24, 2012, 10:56:39 AM
"She and P. were laughing and joking with each other a lot.  It seemed like their personal comfort level was very high."

Well Leon is a Clinton lover from the 90's.  He was WH chief of staff for the Bill.

They covered up a lot together. 
3122  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / We've won, the war on terror is over on: April 24, 2012, 10:55:05 AM
I don't know if this is official policy but this thinking strikes me as the most fuddled, mixed up, unclear, mixed message foreign policy thinking I have ever seen:

Blog'The War on Terror Is Over'
9:29 PM, Apr 23, 2012 • By DANIEL HALPER

    In the wake of the Arab Spring, the Obama administration is grappling with how to handle Islamists, radical adherents to Islam. Particularly, the issue has come to the fore in regards to Egypt, which, as Reuel Marc Gerecht notes, "is now certain" to elect "an Islamist" as its leaders the next time the Egyptian people go to the polls.

But some in the Obama administration are now seeing things differently.

"The war on terror is over," a senior official in the State Department official tells the National Journal. "Now that we have killed most of al Qaida, now that people have come to see legitimate means of expression, people who once might have gone into al Qaida see an opportunity for a legitimate Islamism."

This new outlook has, in the words of the National Journal, come from a belief among administration officials that "It is no longer the case, in other words, that every Islamist is seen as a potential accessory to terrorists."

The National Journal explains:

The new approach is made possible by the double impact of the Arab Spring, which supplies a new means of empowerment to young Arabs other than violent jihad, and Obama's savagely successful military drone campaign against the worst of the violent jihadists, al Qaida.

For the president himself, this new thinking comes from a "realiz[ation that] he has no choice but to cultivate the Muslim Brotherhood and other relatively 'moderate' Islamist groups emerging as lead political players out of the Arab Spring in Egypt, Tunisia and elsewhere."

This new outlook is radically different than what was expressed under President George W. Bush immediately after September 11, 2001. "Over time it's going to be important for nations to know they will be held accountable for inactivity," Bush said on November 6, 2001. "You're either with us or against us in the fight against terror."

For President Barack Obama, it would seem, one can be both with us and against us--or not with us, but not quite against us.
 
   © Copyright 2012 The Weekly Standard LLC - A Weekly Conservative Magazine & Blog. All Rights Reserved.


3123  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Women love the Hill on: April 24, 2012, 10:40:14 AM
Crafty wrote on the "Glibness" thread:

"I saw an extended interview by Wolf Blitzer on CNN with Hillary and Leon Panetta while I was in Munich.  A real soft interview of course, but I must say that Hillary is seeming warmer, more human, and more likable recently.  She and P. were laughing and joking with each other a lot.  It seemed like their personal comfort level was very high.  Not saming I'm buying it, but what with pictures of her drinking beer, partying, and other things, on top of a lot of people thinking she has been well seasoned by her stint as SecState,  I do think that she would make a formidable addition to Baraq's chances.  A lot of women would see her as being a shoo-in for 2016 after VPing for 2012-2016."

That does appear to be the plan.

There is no question we are not done with the Clintons.

There is a whole industry built around them ready to pounce her into office.

JDN will post, of course, that that would be wonderful later in this thread.

Rachel who has not come back onto the board because she took the BCP flap "personally" would of course be a Hilllary champion.

Even my sister a republican recently told me she has bought the Koolaid by telling me she thinks the Hill is doing a good job.

As men, we must not underestimate the anger women have for men.

*Honesty* does not it seem have much relevance when dealing with societal segments who identify with particular candidates.
3124  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: April 24, 2012, 09:35:58 AM
"the powers of the party will put Hillary on the ballot"

There is already promotional talk of a Hillary VP slot *with* Brockman.

Of course that would in *their* minds be "formidable".

They do fit together - two of the most corrupt pols we have ever seen.

3125  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / OTOH on: April 23, 2012, 02:45:47 PM
Evidence of fraud debunked???  Or is this bunk?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp
3126  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: April 23, 2012, 02:15:42 PM
I really don't see how this is NOT an impeachable offense.   To offer a fraudualant document as valid identification on the WH website to the entire world is frankly worse than the cover up of a break in (by Nixon) in my opinion.

Is the media picking up on this at all other than some talk radio?


3127  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Mort Zuckerman - Obama policies have failed on: April 21, 2012, 12:39:04 PM
One liberal who is honest and makes sense:

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/mzuckerman/articles/2012/04/20/mort-zuckerman-president-obamas-economic-programs-have-failed
3128  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Remember those days growing up with oreos? on: April 21, 2012, 12:27:30 PM
This was on OReilly last night too.  I think it is pretty funny, but of course there is always someone who has to be offended:

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/04/20/leaked-oreo-ad-shows-breastfeeding-baby-holding-cookie/
3129  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Anti-semitism & Jews on: April 21, 2012, 11:27:04 AM
"but it helps to explain why mainstream Democrats have quietly dropped the “Occupy” crowd like a hot potato"

I haven't heard this before.  Why in the world Jewish Dems at least would not drop Obama the same way is beyond me.
But then again as noted multiple times their support of the Dem party is also based on warped logic.
3130  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Disability enrollments keep rising on: April 20, 2012, 11:47:35 AM
Finallly some numbers to prove what I have been saying all along.   Jobless claims would be worse if not for all these people taking the quick way out.   I believe probably half of all disability and workers comp is fraud or exagerated:

http://news.investors.com/article/608418/201204200802/ssdi-disability-rolls-skyrocket-under-obama.htm
3131  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Dead humans held up like trophies? on: April 18, 2012, 11:55:33 AM
The news of American soldiers "posing" with dead enemy.   I don't get it.  I really don't recall ever seeing anything like this from WW1,  WW2, or Korean wars.   I don't recall any WW2 photos of US troops "posed" in a way humiliating or showing off prisoners dead or alive like trophies.  Am I missing something here?  Is it just because everyone carries cameras now?

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-afghan-photos-20120418,0,5032601.story
3132  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: April 18, 2012, 11:42:29 AM
GM wirtes:

"So far, his team has been spot on."

Someone(s) on the right did great with this:

I loved the recent news about OBama paying less than HIS secretary on taxes!  It goes along with the proper theme of total tax reform not just taxing the rich (which the bamster does not qualify beause he makes only 3/4 of a mill), and he is a total hypocrit (as are many crats).

3133  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / prostate cancer on: April 18, 2012, 11:36:50 AM
Well the news of Ryan O'Neill and Buffett shows the confilicting facts about prostate cancer>  One guy is youngish and has advanced incurable prostate cancer and may well die of it and the other sounds like he is one of those old guys that happens to have it, and from the way it sounds, will die of something else.  I read recently 50% of men over 50 could have cancer in their gland and 75% over 80 do.  This source is giving lower numbers (over 50% over age 80).

Recently we are told not to do PSA screening as it may be causing more harm than good as a screening test.  Yet it sounds like Buffett probably had one done.   "Stage 1" is reported.  Yet the statistics would suggest that it is far more likely the finding in him, at that age, is incidental and not related to anything else.  Yet one wonders if O'Neill was getting the screening tests.  Based on the recent "evidence" (which could change next year) probably O'Neill would not even benefitted from the test even if he did have it.

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/screening/understanding-prostate-changes/page3
3134  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: April 18, 2012, 11:14:59 AM
If true, there is no way conservative talk radio, Hannity, Brietbart, etc will let this slide like the MSM and Karl Rove and "Bush" Republicans will.
3135  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Hillbillary Clintons long, sordid, and often criminal history on: April 17, 2012, 01:54:10 PM
"sociopathic liar"

But this is ok.

She can boogy, belt down a beer, text, tweet and she is just one KOOOL cat.

Is this for the "youth"  (synonomous with fool) vote?
3136  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Is corruption rampant? It starts from the top on: April 17, 2012, 01:50:33 PM
I don't recall if Greta or Shawn played this last night.  But head of GSA explaining that officials got bonuses because they were "entitled".  This kind of corruption starts right at the top.  We have the first guy in the WH whose modus operondi (sp?) is that total government control and power is good.   He leads by example.  Obama has a revolving door of money.  "Punish your enemies" and "reward your friends".   My God can any corrupt official be more explicit than this.  HE is out of control and no suprise we are seeing more at lower levels. 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/04/16/gsa_admin_officials_were_entitled_to_bonuses_during_obamas_pay_freeze.html
3137  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Pat Kennedy says the obvious on: April 17, 2012, 01:04:06 PM
This is a remarkable admission by an ex congressman.  Perhaps it is just perception or the media but it does seem like this President is the most corrupt in my memory:

****Former Dem. Congressman Kennedy Alleges 'Quid Pro Quo' for Access to White House
8:42 AM, Apr 15, 2012 • By DANIEL HALPERS

    Access to the Obama White House is in direct correlation to the amount of money donated to the president's reelection effort and the Democratic party, the New York Times reports today.

The Times reports: "those who donated the most to Mr. Obama and the Democratic Party since he started running for president were far more likely to visit the White House than others. Among donors who gave $30,000 or less, about 20 percent visited the White House, according to a New York Times analysis that matched names in the visitor logs with donor records. But among those who donated $100,000 or more, the figure rises to about 75 percent. Approximately two-thirds of the president’s top fund-raisers in the 2008 campaign visited the White House at least once, some of them numerous times."

But the most explosive allegation in the news story comes from former Democratic congressman Patrick Kennedy, son of the late Ted Kenney, who calls what the Obama White House is doing "quid pro quo."

Patrick J. Kennedy, the former representative from Rhode Island, who donated $35,800 to an Obama re-election fund last fall while seeking administration support for a nonprofit venture, said contributions were simply a part of “how this business works.”

“If you want to call it ‘quid pro quo,’ fine,” he said. “At the end of the day, I want to make sure I do my part.”
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Mr. Kennedy visited the White House several times to win support for One Mind for Research, his initiative to help develop new treatments for brain disorders. While his family name and connections are clearly influential, he said, he knows White House officials are busy. And as a former chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, he said he was keenly aware of the political realities they face.

And Kennedy admits that folks in the White House are checking out the donor records:

“I know that they look at the reports,” he said, referring to records of campaign donations. “They’re my friends anyway, but it won’t hurt when I ask them for a favor if they don’t see me as a slouch.”

Translated, "quid pro quo" means "this for that." As in, if you want this from the Obama White House, then give that (e.g., cash).****
3138  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Hillbillary Clintons long, sordid, and often criminal history on: April 17, 2012, 12:49:59 PM
"I'm not sure I would vote for someone age 69 unless they had a very
qualified VP and was much younger.  That was my problem with McCain."

I will believe this when you tell me in '16 and she runs for office that you won't vote for her due to her advanced age.
3139  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Great One: "the tides of war are receeding" on: April 17, 2012, 11:28:32 AM
Like I said the self proclaimed sage of the age will EAT those words!:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/india-test-long-range-missile-week-230825737.html
3140  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Hillbillary Clintons long, sordid, and often criminal history on: April 17, 2012, 11:24:01 AM
"Frankly, I wish she was President today.  She is a very capable woman."

Of course you do and of course this is your response.  She will run 2016 and you may have your wish.
3141  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Hillbillary Clintons long, sordid, and often criminal history on: April 17, 2012, 09:43:09 AM
Anyone else notice the Hillary charm attacks in the MSM lately?

See Hillary use electronic devices and use the wireless lingo.
See Hillary kicking up her heals and drinking beer in Columbia.

She certainly has the Machine still pushing her for 2016.

I guess that's how they all keep power and make money.
3142  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: April 15, 2012, 11:12:10 AM
Doug, The dems know their only hope is to keep up the divide and conquer strategy (of Americans); into classes, races, ethnicities, sexes, sexual orientation, taxpayers and nontaxpayers.

Barring three things:

Some unforsefeen event
Romney screws up in some big way
Just enough of the electorate can be bribed with taxpayer money

I agree with Dick Moirris - this election will not be close. 
3143  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: April 15, 2012, 11:08:10 AM
"my entire career has been a testimony to American exceptionalism"  !!!!!

Not accurate.  His entire career is boasting about his OWN exceptionalism while at the same time bashing America.
"they cling to their guns their religion"
"social Darwism"
sat  voluntarily listening to "God damn America" for decades.
His wife, "i am ashamed of America".  (until now she is rich and famour and a celebrity)

A class act he is not.
3144  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: April 11, 2012, 11:46:08 AM
Removing those settlements "100 or so" won't change a thing.  It is all a ruse to continue bashing the Israelis.
No one who is serious can believe that if these settlers squaters "illegal" intruders or whatever anyone wants to call them, leave, then Iran/hezbellah and much of Hamas, and  Muslim Brotherhood will give up their intention to wipe the Jews off the map.

And Doug is right.  All that is ignored and many including you harp on a few thousand settlers.

Obama and his Black Muslim and other Jewish hating friends agree with you.

The American liberal Jews who support him are more interested in the Democrat party than the survival of Israel in my opinion.

Apparantly many American Jews do not believe in the concept of a Jewish state.

I rarely see any of them calling for abolishment of Muslim countries.
3145  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / UN human rights: comment on Trayvon on: April 10, 2012, 05:01:09 PM
Another UN example of US bashing:

UN Human Rights Chief Calls For Trayvon Investigation
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   by William Bigelow
UN Human Rights chief Navi Pillay has called for an "immediate investigation" into the death of Trayvon Martin.   

Leaving aside the matter of the despicable record of the UN on human rights, what kind of record does Pillay herself have on human rights, and does she have any moral leg to stand on when interfering in the domestic affaris of the United States?  According to Freedom House, between September 2008, when she became the Human Rights Chief, and June 2010, Pillay made no comment whatsoever on the victims in 34 countries rated “Not Free.”  Some of the countries not criticized were: Algeria, Angola, Bahrain, Belarus, Cuba, North Korea, Rwanda, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria and Vietnam.

When Iranian demonstrators were abused violently by the Iranian government’s forces following the June 2009 presidential elections, Pillay refrained for three months from commenting even though video existed of demonstrators being killed; she only mentioned the matter as part of her traditional opening speech at the UN Human  Rights Council session in September 2009. She did not give any statement dealing directly with the matter.  And when she did speak, it was only in an  “unprecedented effort to engage” with the Muslim world. While she did raise some human rights concerns, she praised Iran’s progress instead of naming violence that had been recorded or current violations.

The pattern of do-nothingness continued. In July 2010, two renowned human rights lawyers, Haytham al-Maleh and Muhanad al-Hasani were jailed for criticizing the Syrian authorities on human rights grounds. In March 2010, the Syrian military detained Kurdish leader Abdel Hafez Abdel and journalists, bloggers and writers for exposing Syria’s corruption. But Pillay did not respond at all. In addition, Pillay was a staunch defender of the falsified Goldstone Report which ripped Israel and also questioned whether the United States had the legal right to kill Osama Bin Laden.

In 2011, the United States, Canada, Israel, the Czech Republic, Italy and the Netherlands announced a boycott of Durban III, the UN meeting to commemorate the 10th anniversary of the first Durban conference, where Israel was targeted for vilification. Pillay tried to block further countries boycotting the event, and claimed that the boycotts were a “political distraction.”

Of the Trayvon Martin case, Pillay said, “I will be awaiting an investigation and prosecution and trial and of course reparations for the victims concerned.”

Perhaps Martin’s family deserves reparations. But it’s none of her damn business either way -- at least based on her record.




3146  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Malkin on Santorum on: April 10, 2012, 04:27:29 PM
He did his best.  He bows out with style:

Lead StorySantorum suspends campaign, but “we are not done fighting” to defeat Obama
   
By Michelle Malkin  •  April 10, 2012 02:01 PM
RickSantorum.com

Rick Santorum fought hard, he fought well, and he gave voice to a large contingent of grass-roots conservative activists across the country who wanted a candidate who lived the values he preached. He held Mitt Romney’s feet to the fire on health care, challenged Newt Gingrich’s green flirtations and past support for the individual mandate, and took on Ron Paul’s foreign policy extremism. His presence improved everyone else’s game — and that will serve the GOP ticket well this fall, whoever ends up on it.

Thankfully, Sen. Santorum’s daughter Bella has been released from the hospital after being admitted this weekend.

Thanks and prayers to Santorum and his family for their energy and passion and dedication to defending life, prosperity, and the American Dream. With a fraction of the money and air time, Santorum came from nowhere to become the most formidable challenger to Mitt Romney through hard work and faith.

Will update after press conference.

***

Update: Santorum addresses press in Gettysburg with wife Karen and children beside/behind him.

Bella is a “fighter,” “doing exceptionally well.” Weekend was difficult time, time for re-thinking. Recounts decision to enter the race, telling his story of the American Dream, meeting voters and hearing their stories, acknowledging volunteers, families with special needs.

Santorum talks about good times of campaign — sweater vest phenom on Twitter, visiting Minn. manufacturing plant, supporter in pick-up truck, girls who made “Game On” music video.

Miracle after miracle, this campaign was as improbable as any. This wasn’t about my voice. It was about your voices…reflecting hopes of Americans, not just fears.

“Against all odds, we won 11 states, millions of votes…wonderful people of this country who care deeply.”

Campaign is suspended, but “we are not done fighting” for our country…and will defeat Barack Obama, win on Capitol Hill.

~ For the latest breaking news, be sure to join Michelle's e-mail list ~
3147  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Wright: Obama heard his words on: April 10, 2012, 03:05:38 PM
Yet Brock calls Republicans/teaparty affilitates "radicals".  I don't look forward to the next several months of this:

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/04/09/Rev-Wright-Admits-Radical-Preaching-Never-Changed-and-Obama-Listened-to-20-Years-Of-It
3148  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Tea Party, Glen Beck and related matters on: April 10, 2012, 02:31:49 PM
" I’m tired … of a certain section of people acting like they have having a monopoly on patriotism. They don’t. … And so now I’m saying, ‘two can play that game if you want to.’”

Oh yes.  Van Jones loves America.  The second part is basically what him and friend Brock are doing - spinning all the criticisms of them back to the Republicans.  Like for example when Brock is called radical he simply calls the right radical.  Like when he is called a socialist he calls the right socialist or with a new twist, social darwinists.

The Prez has led us down a road of child like tit for tat.

I am not sure if any President has ever divided Americans into different groups the way this guy has.

Lincoln tried to keep us together not the other way around.


Limbaugh asks why he is such an angry Black man.  He says his mother was white, his father was African (not a slave dependent).  He himself has done quite wel with lots of help from whites.  I think this is the wrong question. But it is obvious he has chosen this route.  It is not just politics or contrived.  He is angry.  Always has been.

I don't think one can separate Jones from Brock.  Once Brock is out of office hopefully Jones will fade.
3149  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Lecturer in chief gets a lecture on: April 10, 2012, 12:31:26 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/04/10/Visibly-Annoyed-Obama-Gets-Lecture-Form-Female-President-of-Brazil
3150  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Politics of Health Care on: April 10, 2012, 11:32:52 AM
You will NEVER see any "quality" measures come out of ivy academia for a result such as you describe.

Such superb world class orthopedic care does not show up on any Harvard outcomes study.

We are lumped together into population studies and statistical measures.

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