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3151  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump on: August 12, 2015, 02:59:08 PM
"It bugs me that shows like Rush and Hannity (along with everyone else) are giving him more than even a frontrunner's share of coverage, and mostly without real scrutiny."

Also Michael Savage and to lesser extent Mark Levin.

That is because he is the only one saying the things that need to be said.

Yes he has a temperament problem and name calling is not going to help but he IS a good orator.   None of the others hold his candle in this regard IMO.   And that includes Rubio.

And he is right about some things like no other - immigration probably would have not even been mentioned in the debate without him.

3152  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Hillbillary Clintons long, sordid, and often criminal history on: August 12, 2015, 12:34:52 PM
I am trying not to get my expectations up just to have them dashed, again, by the sleezy Clinton mafia and media but the Drudge headlines today are so pleasing.   A 25 year wait.

Hopefully they will get these grifters finally.

3153  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Iran on: August 11, 2015, 05:08:54 PM
I am not sure how a normal person could not read this and wonder what kind of organic brain disorder this woman suffers from but I post because this is one of the crazy liberals we are dealing with:
3154  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Environmental issues on: August 10, 2015, 08:55:35 AM
Colorado governor should put his boot on the neck of the White House to fix the mess their EPA made in that river over there.   

3155  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential on: August 10, 2015, 08:53:11 AM
Hi Doug,

Overall I LIKE Rubio Too.  He does have charisma.  He could be a good front man for the Right like Obama is for the Left. 
I am not sure how good he is with policy or political strategy.  We know all of Obama's strategy and policy has been set by people behind the scenes and been planned over decades.
Fiorina so far is very good.   Not sure her staying power.  But she clearly prepares well and can articulate well.

One thing I am very unhappy with was the debate format, the circus atmosphere, the fact that the commentators with of course the narcissistic Kelly making themselves part of the story.  This is NOT about them.

The debate was too much of a show akin to the competition show- biz programs like 'America's got talent', 'the Voice' and entertainment shows like those.

I feel this debases the political process and participants even more.   I am not against tough questions.  I do agree that these candidates need to be prepared to have all their negatives placed front and center .  If Fox doesn't do it we know the lefty media, Hollywood, and the DNC sure will.

The candidates need to be totally prepared for this.

But getting back to the debate - no problem with tough questions but a big problem with the debate for all the other reasons listed.

That said I doubt Fox network will care.  To them it is all about the show.  More reason for Americans to be cynical.

3156  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Iran on: August 08, 2015, 08:11:55 AM
"“Obama tells US Jews: Rockets will fall on Tel Aviv"

Instead nuclear warheads will drop on Tel Aviv some day.

Thanks BROCK.
3157  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Iran on: August 07, 2015, 03:08:56 PM
I admit I am shocked that Schumer will oppose Brock.   Where does the Hill stand on this issue of the deal?

If and only if enough  Dems oppose the deal to get to the magic number of 67 to override a bamster veto will I really say I was wrong about Schumer.  If they don't than his nay means nothing to me and was just a show time vote knowing full well Obama would win in the end.
3158  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential on: August 07, 2015, 03:06:18 PM
Trump was clearly set up with a hatchet job but he should have been better prepared.  It is no secret Ailles doesn't like him.  That first question was obviously designed for him and was a gift to the RNC perhaps for letting Fox have the debate.

I didn't think the participants had enough time to answer.   

Plus I thought the debate was presented too much in a circus format at least in the beginning and with ridiculous commercial honky-tonk fanfare.

I also question the wisdom of having an audience cheering or jeering for their favorite or least favorite candidates.

Plus Kelly's comments about them being nervous and glad its over and stuff like that should be left out.

My opinion (we all have one don't we):

Kasich and Bush were the Rinos we expected.   Rubio was good.   Carson was very good.

Christy was decent.   Paul is just not a likable person to me.  He is like the doctor who matter of factly tells you you have glaucoma with absolutely no compassion, warmth or sympathy. 

Huckabee was ok.
3159  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: August 07, 2015, 08:58:00 AM
"My mom's views move around a bit but overall she is on the right side of things."

Could it have been your grandmother I was thinking of?  I recall you posting in the past someone in your family who was a Democrat in NY.

Not important.

My mother too I think would have been intrigued by Trump's ideas though I am not sure about his personality.

3160  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: August 06, 2015, 03:30:38 PM
"My mom, who is intrigued with Trump, tells me his solution was to bomb their oil fields."

Crafty, I thought you mom is a liberal Democrat?   She likes Trump?    shocked cool

Bombing their oil industry IS an interesting new thought.

Or we can just vote for Jeb and continue to speak about sanctions, verification, statesmanship and the rest, and I must add the all important "the military option is not off the table" all the while Iran proceeds with their military nuclear program.

BTW I still think Schumer will not cross the party line, ie: Bamster.  He has never done so if my memory serves me correctly.
3161  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Hillbillary Clintons long, sordid, and often criminal history on: August 06, 2015, 03:25:00 PM
Well I agree with Levin.  What is the probe?  Isn't it obvious there is enough to indict her?

This I will predict on.  The FBI probe will find multiple deficiencies and problems but I predict nothing more.

Hillary will be absolved of any wrongdoing.  Except maybe a mistake or two in trusting others who of course will be the ones who made mistakes.

When will we learn how this works?

3162  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential on: August 06, 2015, 03:21:19 PM
"Any predictions?"

Yes Bobby Jindal will excite at 5 PM before the debate.   grin
3163  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: August 06, 2015, 02:28:09 PM
Well I heard Levin yesterday bash Obama's straw man argument that the choice is either this deal or war.   I agree with his premise that this is flawed but not for the reason he suggests.   It is flawed because there is simply no other way to stop Iran from getting nukes other than military action.  If it is obvious to me than it is obvious to the military and it is obvious they have concluded the strategy of containment has the best risk benefit analysis  unless  it IS just the strategy of history's greatest man.

WE should have bombed years ago.   Too late?  I dunno.

But back to Levin's argument.  It is not the choice between war and peace that is the issue it is the choice between Iran going nuclear or not.
3164  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Hillbillary Clintons long, sordid, and often criminal history on: August 06, 2015, 02:22:17 PM
"Contrast to treatment of Hillary."

The Clinton legal mafia is intent on shifting the focus subtly to "incompetence".  Not of her's of course but of others.

 Nothing criminal nothing corrupt just screw ups.  "No" crimes committed.  "No" laws broken.   Just a lot of "questions" circulating.

And there is no controlling legal authority that will go after her while bRock is with us. 

Just think him, with his personality, the chance he has to exact a price from her to keep the wolves at bay.

He must be thrilled.     

And as always, in the end the Dem party will rally around their gal.
3165  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left on: August 03, 2015, 09:20:51 AM
"Nothing now"


So why does Matthews support the crats so fervently if even he thinks there should be?

That is based on his questioning of Vasserman Socialistschultz.

He just can't let go can he?
3166  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Immigrants are good for America - yadda yadda sis boom bah on: August 03, 2015, 09:16:47 AM
I know the immigrants are good for us....   I know if the Republicans just win their hearts and minds....we can win them over.... (just look at all the immigrants who vote for Republicans now)  The Asians the Middle Easterners, the South of the border ones, the Africans, the Caribbean ones etc.....

I know they help industry which helps us all...
I know the mow our lawns and fix our sidewalks....
I know they all do jobs US born Americans won't do....
I know they are just hard working wonderful people who "dream"...

Yet JEB wants to let them know we all love them.....  while they walk all over us:

*******Exclusive — USA to Issue More Green Cards Than Populations of Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina Combined
by Breitbart News2 Aug 20155,123
Breitbart News has exclusively obtained text and a chart from the Senate’s Subcommittee on Immigration and the National Interest, chaired by Alabama Republican Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL)

concerning America’s ongoing policy of massive legal immigration:

The overwhelming majority of immigration to the United States is the result of our visa policies. Each year, millions of visas are issued to temporary workers, foreign students, refugees, asylees, and permanent immigrants for admission into the United States. The lion’s share of these visas are for lesser-skilled and lower-paid workers and their dependents who, because they are here on work-authorized visas, are added directly to the same labor pool occupied by current unemployed jobseekers. Expressly because they arrive on legal immigrant visas, most will be able to draw a wide range of taxpayer-funded benefits, and corporations will be allowed to directly substitute these workers for Americans. Improved border security would have no effect on the continued arrival of these foreign workers, refugees, and permanent immigrants—because they are all invited

The most significant of all immigration documents issued by the U.S. is, by far, the “green card.” When a foreign citizen is issued a green card it guarantees them the following benefits inside the United States: lifetime work authorization, access to federal welfare, access to Social Security and Medicare, the ability to obtain citizenship and voting privileges, and the immigration of their family members and elderly relatives.

Under current federal policy, the U.S. issues green cards to approximately 1 million new Legal Permanent Residents (LPRs) every single year. For instance, Department of Homeland Security statistics show that the U.S. issued 5.25 million green cards in the last five years, for an average of 1.05 million new legal permanent immigrants annually.

These ongoing visa issuances are the result of federal law, and their number can be adjusted at any time. However, unlike other autopilot policies—such as tax rates or spending programs—there is virtually no national discussion or media coverage over how many visas we issue, to whom we issue them and on what basis, or how the issuance of these visas to individuals living in foreign countries impacts the interests of people already living in this country.

If Congress does not pass legislation to reduce the number of green cards issued each year, the U.S. will legally add 10 million or more new permanent immigrants over the next 10 years—a bloc of new permanent residents larger than populations of Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina combined.

This has substantial economic implications.

The post-World War II boom decades of the 1950s and 1960s averaged together less than 3 million green cards per decade—or about 285,000 annually. Due to lower immigration rates, the total foreign-born population in the United States dropped from about 10.8 million in 1945 to 9.7 million in 1960 and 9.6 million in 1970. 

These lower midcentury immigration levels were the product of a federal policy change: after the last period of large-scale immigration that had begun in roughly 1880, immigration rates were lowered to reduce admissions. The foreign-born share of the U.S. population fell for six consecutive decades, from 1910 through 1960.

Legislation enacted in 1965, among other factors, substantially increased low-skilled immigration. Since 1970, the foreign-born population in the United States has increased more than four-fold—to a record 42.1 million today. The foreign-born share of the population has risen from fewer than 1 in 21 in 1970, to presently approaching 1 in 7. As the supply of available labor has increased, so too has downward pressure on wages.

Georgetown and Hebrew University economics professor Eric Gould has observed that “the last four decades have witnessed a dramatic change in the wage and employment structure in the United States… The overall evidence suggests that the manufacturing and immigration trends have hollowed-out the overall demand for middle-skilled workers in all sectors, while increasing the supply of workers in lower skilled jobs. Both phenomena are producing downward pressure on the relative wages of workers at the low end of the income distribution.”

During the low-immigration period from 1948-1973, real median compensation for U.S. workers increased more than 90 percent. By contrast, real average hourly wages were lower in 2014 than they were in 1973, four decades earlier. Harvard Economist George Borjas also documented the effects of high immigration rates on African-American workers, writing that “a 10 percent immigration-induced increase in the supply of workers in a particular skill group reduced the black wage of that group by 2.5 percent.” Past immigrants are additionally among those most economically impacted by the arrival of large numbers of new workers brought in to compete for the same jobs. In Los Angeles County, for example, 1 in 3 recent immigrants are living below the poverty line.  And this federal policy of new large-scale admissions continues unaltered at a time when automation is reducing hiring, and when a record share of our own workers here in America are not employed.

President Coolidge articulated how a slowing of immigration would benefit both U.S.-born and immigrant-workers: “We want to keep wages and living conditions good for everyone who is now here or who may come here. As a nation, our first duty must be to those who are already our inhabitants, whether native or immigrants. To them we owe an especial and a weighty obligation.”

It is worth observing that the 10 million grants of new permanent residency under current law is not an estimate of total immigration. In fact, the increased distribution of legal immigrant visas tend to correlate with increased flows of immigration illegally: the former helps provide networks and pull factors for the latter. Most of the countries who send the largest numbers of citizens with green cards are also the countries who send the most citizens illegally. The Census Bureau estimates 13 million new immigrants will arrive, on net, between now and 2024—hurtling the U.S. past all recorded figures in terms of the foreign-born share of total population, quickly eclipsing the watermark recorded 105 years ago during the 1880–1920 immigration wave before immigration rates were lowered. Absent new legislation to reduce unprecedented levels of future immigration, the Census Bureau projects immigration as a share of population will continue setting new records each year, for all time.

Yet the immigration “reform” considered by Congress most recently—the 2013 Senate “Gang of Eight” comprehensive immigration bill—would have tripled the number of green cards issued over the next 10 years. Instead of issuing 10 million green cards, the Gang of Eight proposal would have issued at least 30 million green cards during the next decade (or more than 11 times the population of the City of Chicago).

Polling from Gallup and Fox shows that Americans want lawmakers to reduce, not increase, immigration rates by a stark 2:1 margin. Reuters puts it at a 3:1 margin. And polling from GOP pollster Kellyanne Conway shows that by the huge margin of nearly 10:1 people of all backgrounds are united in their belief that U.S. companies seeking workers should raise wages for those already living here—instead of bringing in new labor from abroad.*****
3167  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential on: July 30, 2015, 03:10:11 PM
So say Jeb could beat Hillary.  What have we won?  I say not much.
What's the point.  His father was great with Iraq with the caveat that he established a serious precedent of turning over our sovereignty to the court of public opinion on at least  war decisions.  His brother was great with 911.   But otherwise not much else.  Bushes are not able to reset conservative values.   I don't hear Jeb saying anything that is impressive, convincing, or even motivating that is not just  status quo, appeasing, compromising, in and bed with the lobbyists speak.
Jeb is Hillary lite IMHO.

I will stay home if it is him or someone like him.

Even Christie has my ear and has sounded better!   I might even be able to give HIM another chance.   shocked  But no more Bushes.

3168  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Mia Farrow on: July 30, 2015, 01:22:33 PM
This is her business address but anyone know where she physically lives?   It is my understanding celebrities just love having people showing up at their homes:
3169  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Immigration issues on: July 30, 2015, 01:15:54 PM
Roughly 23 million "Latinos" voted in 2012.  So if we take 13 % of that and add that to Romney's total and subtract from Brock's maybe that would have made up the 5% overall difference.  Not enough time right now to figure it out.   That said it is only 40% of a population that is expanding exponentially - by design.
3170  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump on: July 29, 2015, 03:22:34 PM
"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." —George Washington (1796)

Could easily apply to the present President of the US.
3171  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Latino vote in Presidential elections on: July 29, 2015, 03:19:50 PM
I don't see how winning 40% of the vote is a big win for Republicans when they are coming here by the tens of millions and 60% or more will vote for the Democrats.  Good luck ever winning California again.
3172  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / On 3 NYC talk shows today on: July 29, 2015, 03:12:32 PM

3173  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential on: July 29, 2015, 02:03:15 PM
"It is all unraveling for Clinton. So, will the Obama safety net hold? If it doesn't, we will have a Republican president"

Take it from Dick.   And Romney was a great President too....  as predicted.

3174  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left on: July 29, 2015, 09:16:13 AM

Americans spend all the money doing research and innovation and the Chinese just hack or bribe to get this information for little to no significant investment.

So do the Russians.   

They are laughing at our being dupes.

3175  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / VDH "is the man" on: July 28, 2015, 11:54:43 AM
" So the fed-ups want other conservative candidates to emulate Trump’s verve, energy, eagerness to speak the unspeakable, and no-holds barred Lee Atwater style — without otherwise being Trump."

VDH ***gets it***!!!

Yet CNN, Republicans and Fox troglodites are scratching their collective heads, "gee wiz I don't understand why Trump is so popular".

As I've said before no one party represents ME.

Trump speaks like he does represent me.

So he is refreshing.

I will not vote for Bush or Kasich, period.

Why bother?

3176  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: July 28, 2015, 09:15:53 AM
Gallup approval rating ~ 49%;  Absolutely depressing. 


If one figures a net of 50 million foreign born people in the US and 80% of them are Democrats then a good 10 % of this is them.

3177  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: July 27, 2015, 02:52:52 PM
this is pure racism about the first Black President.
3178  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump on: July 27, 2015, 11:36:44 AM
"Has he attacked Hillary yet? If not, why not?"

Good question.  But I am glad he is in race and want him to carry on.

3179  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Illegal private server etc. on: July 27, 2015, 11:34:38 AM
Seems like the Democratic ambulance chasers are shifting the public "dialogue" from corruption and criminal to simply incompetence or mistakes were made and the blame is being diverted to the State Department and away from their very wealthy powerful client.

Republicans must NOT let them do this.   The media however will probably tag along with the talking points.

3180  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: US-China (& Japan, South China Sea-- Vietnam, Philippines, etc) on: July 24, 2015, 04:30:20 PM
China is doing the same thing all over the African continent too and in a big way.
3181  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump on: July 22, 2015, 10:59:56 AM
 I don't know.  I kind of think it is funny.  Besides Lindsey Graham is barely better than Hillary in my view.
We get spit on by our politicians from both sides of the aisles for so long I don't care for them much anymore.
3182  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Don't write him off and focus on the topics on: July 21, 2015, 12:13:07 PM

If the racial database being gathered collected and analyzed by academic racialists and quietly approved by Obama, his wife , and  crew is not proof of what is going on I don't know how else to wake people up.

We are being plundered.
3183  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Free Speech vs. Islamic Fascism (formerly Buy DANISH!!!) on: July 21, 2015, 11:37:34 AM
This is exactly why there IS something refreshing about Trump.   This endless shaming of enemies of the establishment to submission.

Trump does go too far.  OTOH is Jeb and the others who cave every chance they get.

No one stands up to the left from our party.

3184  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / But Rush is also right on: July 21, 2015, 09:41:22 AM
I heard part of this rant from Rush yesterday while driving to an office.   He does make an excellent true point.  It IS refreshing to see a public figure tell the "establishment" to take a hike.

Though I would not have dishonored McCain's service to us all, he has done absolutely nothing as a politician to advance conservatism (as per Levin) who would of course many other so called Republicans.  I agree with Rush on this aspect of his points.
3185  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Nature on: July 20, 2015, 08:25:21 AM
In the movie 'Eight Below' leopard seals had "starring" roles.
3186  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Issues in the American Creed (Constitutional Law and related matters) on: July 20, 2015, 08:23:12 AM

Justice Alito: Judicial Restraint Amidst The Court's 'Postmodern' Activism

8:04 AM, Jul 20, 2015 • By ADAM J. WHITE


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The liberals on the Supreme Court could not be any more obviously political than this.  Just like the DNC they share talking points and come out in synchrony:

****Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg made news recently, when she said—bragged, it seemed—that she and her fellow liberals on the Court were going out of their way to stifle their individual voices in high-profile cases. When the liberals find themselves on the losing side of a case, she explained, they strive to sign a single dissenting opinion instead of each justice writing his or her own.

"If you want to make sure you're read, you do it together, and you do it short," she told NPR's Nina Totenberg, a longtime friend. When Totenberg asked Ginsburg why the Court's conservatives don't take a single approach, Ginsburg quipped, "next term I think you'll see some of my colleagues will be more disciplined."

Maybe the conservative justices would score more political points with such an approach. But our country would be all the worse off for it. For as things currently stand, the Court's conservative or libertarian justices are writing in such distinct voices—with such distinct principles, presumptions, and prudential judgments—that our nation's constitutional debates hardly suffer from hearing each of the conservative and libertarian justices speaking for themselves as much as possible. We all benefit from them. ****
3187  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / A data base world - perfect for the left! on: July 19, 2015, 02:25:33 PM
Some thoughts from the top of my head:

Gathering data and mining it with statistics and formulas and conclusions and then formulating policy from that is a perfect storm against the right.

In medicine the new coding formula with tens of thousands of codes trying to categorize every health ailment into a code that can be translated into a set of ones and zeros is making our heads spin in medicine. 

Now we see on Drudge bamster and his liberal policy makers from the Ivy's along with his fascist friends in tech doing the same with "racial" profiling.

The legal system is also a target.

This explosion of data is perfect for liberals to use in ways that they will insist is for social justice and equality.  They are the new Kings, the new Emporers, the new Queens, the new despots.

Freedom is defined as that which is permissable by THEM.

Not by our Constitution.

Data is easy to interpret in many different ways and the opportunity for nefarious misuse much greater but subtle and under the radar  that makes this very dangerous.

3188  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / George Will - intesting Supreme Court case on: July 18, 2015, 10:30:50 AM
3189  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Hillbillary Clintons long, sordid, and often criminal history on: July 18, 2015, 08:18:20 AM
The thought of another year and half of this stuff and maybe 9 and a half - with our side having to read all this stuff, and the liberals just ignoring it - it makes one want to go to a remote mountain in Montana and cut oneself off from the news.

If only we had a brilliant candidate that could articulate the likes of Mark Levin with the temperament of a Bobby Jindal or Jeb Bush or Santorum;  I really think Hillary would lose.

But......I just don't know if any of the candidates will rise to the occasion. 
3190  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed on: July 18, 2015, 08:13:58 AM
Tell that to Bezos, Page, Zuckerberg, Brin, and Goldman Sachs CEO.
3191  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Leprosy on: July 16, 2015, 07:20:15 PM
3192  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Iran on: July 16, 2015, 05:47:56 PM
Does anyone REALLY think for one second Schumer won't vote the party Obama line???  If he did it wouldn't be until he was sure they have enough votes to keep the Senate from getting to 67 anyway.  The Dems stick together like a Roman phalynx:

Jul 16, 5:41 PM EDT

Sen. Schumer squeezed on Obama's Iran nuclear deal

Associated Press
WASHINGTON (AP) -- No sooner had President Barack Obama announced a nuclear deal with Iran than Sen. Chuck Schumer issued a statement pledging to go through it with a fine-tooth comb, talk with administration officials, listen to experts on all sides and carefully study it.

Everything, that is, except provide even a whisper of a hint of how he will vote on it.

It's a political straddle that reflects the 64-year-old New York senator's competing roles as next-in-line Senate Democratic leader, unquestioned congressional ally of Israel, leading fundraiser and strategist for his party, and lawmaker from a state that is home to more than a million-and-a-half Jews.

"Sen. Schumer is going to be instrumental in helping to determine where this lands," said Rep. Steve Israel, a fellow Jewish Democratic lawmaker from New York who's been an outspoken skeptic on the deal. As the White House lobbies senators to support the pact, "He's going to have a major role in determining where they end up."

Indeed, with the leaders of Israel and their supporters in the U.S. strongly opposed to the accord, observers on and off Capitol Hill say that the only chance congressional opponents have is if they get Schumer in their corner.

Sometime in the fall, Congress will vote on whether to approve or disapprove of the Iran deal. If enough hawkish Democrats join Republicans and the disapprove side prevails, Obama would veto the legislation.

At that point the focus would turn to whether Congress could override Obama's veto, which takes a two-thirds vote in both the House and Senate. Chances of that are slim, but with Schumer on their side opponents might stand a chance.

"There is no way a veto would be overridden without Sen. Schumer," said Aaron Keyak, a consultant to several Jewish groups and former Democratic congressional aide. "Finding 67 votes to override a presidential veto is a very high threshold and there is no way to get to that number without Sen. Schumer."

That helps explain the intense pressures on Schumer and a handful of other key senators in a debate that pro-Israel groups have made clear will be their top focus, bar none, in the months to come.

With the deal just a few days old, Schumer is already being targeted in advertising, news releases and social media from both sides.

The Emergency Committee for Israel announced an ad campaign on New York City cable television encouraging New Yorkers to "Call Sen. Schumer and tell him he must stand firm" on his insistence that the deal allow nuclear inspections anytime and anywhere, which opponents contend it does not. Another group, Secure America Now, has been urging supporters over Twitter to call Schumer and tell him to oppose the deal.

On the opposite side, the progressive group Credo issued a statement warning that "Democrats who sabotage the Iran deal will face consequences," and listed Schumer, who likely will win re-election next year, as a top target. Adding to the pressure, the Democrats' likely presidential nominee, Hillary Rodham Clinton, has cautiously embraced the deal.

At the middle of the storm, the famously media-friendly Schumer has gone uncharacteristically quiet. Questioned at an unrelated news conference this week, he repeated his initial written statement nearly word for word.

"I will sit down, I will read the agreement thoroughly, and then I'm going to speak with officials, administration officials, people all over, on all different sides," Schumer said. "This is a decision that shouldn't be made lightly, and I am going to just study this agreement and talk to people before I do anything else."

Congressional allies say Schumer seems genuinely torn.

"He's obviously got pressures and I assume he's going to do the right thing," said Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., who is undecided and facing similar pressures. "There are very severe upsides and very severe downsides."

Obama argues the deal closes off Iran's pathway to a nuclear bomb for the next decade, and has challenged opponents to come up with an alternative. The liberal Jewish group J Street is backing the deal, and the group's vice president of government affairs, Dylan Williams, said Schumer risks angering progressive voters if he breaks with the White House.

"This deal is and will continue to be supported by an overwhelming majority of Sen. Schumer's Democratic base and if there is a political consideration here that would be the overriding one," Williams said.

But the powerful pro-Israel lobby American Israel Public Affairs Committee is vehemently opposed to the deal, which Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is denouncing all over U.S. media as undermining the security of Israel and the region.

Steven J. Rosen, a former longtime senior official with the group, said that backing the deal could hurt Schumer with the pro-Israel community - and with donors in New York.

"I think he wants to be seen as one of Israel's most important friends in the United States. A bad vote here could have lasting damage on his standing in that regard," Rosen said. "The White House has put him in a very, very tough position here."

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3193  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: US Foreign Policy on: July 16, 2015, 02:41:35 PM
"we were assured by someone with CREDENTIALS that Iran is a rational actor"

As noted in a recent post of an article here,  *Neither* side of the deal can be trusted.
3194  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / anti semite got his way on: July 14, 2015, 08:41:09 AM
And the Republicans let him:
3195  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Hillbillary Clintons long, sordid, and often criminal history on: July 10, 2015, 09:26:58 AM
I liked Mark Levin's line:

"she should be in an orange jumpsuit not a pants suit".

Amazing.  And to here the wildly liberal Carl Bernstein make excuses for her as though her long list of crimes are not worse than Nixon's. 

Watching the Democrats point fingers at everyone else on cable concerning who is to blame for the illegal killing the girl in San Francisco I could not recall one single Democrat EVER take responsibility for any crime or screw up ever.   Rarely they may say they take responsibility but then continue on as though nothing ever happened. 

Just disgusting.
3196  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Islam in America on: July 09, 2015, 01:16:58 PM
I find it hard to believe even this guy would be executed in Massachusetts.
3197  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left on: July 08, 2015, 10:12:44 AM
"The whole running out of other people's money thing doesn't look like much fun"

No biggie.  Just print more.  Unlike the Greeks we control our money supply.  Just ask the libs.

They tell us were safe  rolleyes

Besides what would the poor do?Huh  They would scream.

How do we explain they make it all worse not better?
3198  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Hillbillary Clintons long, sordid, and often criminal history on: July 08, 2015, 10:06:57 AM
So 6 out of 10 polled do not think her trustworthy.  The 4 out of 10 who call her trustworthy are obviously the die hard Democrats who don't and won't care about her honesty.  If she were a Republican these same 4 out of 10 would call her dishonest and would be calling for accountability.   

Of the 6 who think she is dishonest 2 of those will vote for her in a heartbeat anyway, if she tugs at their identities and pocketbooks.

3199  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Gov. Jeb Bush on: July 02, 2015, 06:44:46 PM

Your a Bush fan?   cry
3200  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Donald Trump on: July 02, 2015, 06:43:56 PM
Wouldn't it have been far greater if Trump spouted off all these facts and statistics instead of simply categorizing all illegals as Mexicans and all Mexicans as drug dealers and rapists?

And only sort of grudgingly say that I guess some Mexicans are good people.  And later tell us he loves Mexico and Mexicans?

Just think of the shot across the bow that would have been. 
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