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3251  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Libya and on: November 16, 2012, 09:13:05 PM
I like Peter King.  I wish I had an uncle like him.

That said he is never able to close the deal.

The crats never will let him.  Rush is likely right.  the crats will not stop defending their guy and gal til they win.

We saw how dumbing us all down is not a problem when they went to endless means to protect their guy Bill Clinton.

It was "all about sex after all", or "we all lie", but "the electorate has deemed it not a big deal", and few ever "get time for perjury", "she had sex with him but not vice versa",  etc etc...
3252  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / what ? on: November 16, 2012, 08:56:42 PM
"and suggests that a fracking-driven drop in energy prices might facilitate the adoption of policies that could encourage needed innovation, such as the adoption of the carbon tax."

Do we "need" a carbon tax?

Can anyone help me out here?
3253  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Libya and on: November 16, 2012, 08:41:58 PM
Watching the mainstream media continue to cover for Obama.  The same flower kids who made Nixon into some sort of despot yet now look the other way.
My head is spinning.  An echo of complete disbelief/shock/anger is reverberating in my brain at watching this. 

The media is complicit.  I cannot believe it.  Four more of this?
3254  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Government programs & regulations, spending, deficit, and budget process on: November 16, 2012, 08:33:11 PM
Add cap and trade, and the higher taxes coming our way.

If people are grumbling now just wait.   There is only so much money they can confiscated, printed out of this air, loaned borrowed....

3255  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: November 16, 2012, 08:27:00 PM
Agreed GM.   Certainly more resolve on the part of the US to defend and fight with Israel might have prevented this flagrant militancy,

but that is all water under the bridge now.

The ongoing war is escalating.  Israel might be better off dealing with Hamas and probably Hezbelloh first before attacking Iran nuclear sites.

Maybe they could dampen or weaken the inevitable counterattacks that would come if they went after Iran first.

It clearly remains to be seen if Obama will in fact lift a finger for Israel.  (hopefully not his middle finger).

Whether or not he does will never change my disgust at my fellow Jews for helping this monstrosity into office not once but twice.

The dismantling of our beloved country continues.  The flower children haven't a clue what they are unleashing. And the rest are bribed.  Sorry Bobby J. Romney is right.

3256  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Race, religion, ethnic origin, LGBT, & "discrimination" on: November 16, 2012, 08:11:43 PM
look up slavery reparations on wikipedia and than link to the number 11 footnote.
It is a NYT article from Obama's notorius friend and Harvard professor who was made nationally famous for getting into the roe with the police officer a few years back;  Henry Gates.  Of interest he claims Obama's feelings about reparations are ambigious.  Obama is for it in theory but does not think it practical.

Interestingly he gives us a history lesson about slavery responsibility on BOTH sides of the Atlantic.  He points out that some African Kings and Kingdoms were very complicit in actually providing the blacks to the whites for monetary gain.  4 to 500 thousand Blacks were brought to the US while 12 to 13 million were sold overseas around the world.  The US was really only a small percentage of the total of recipient of blacks sold into slavery.

And members of their own race sadly sold them to the whites.  I was not really aware of the extent of this.  What all men, white black, asian will do to one another for money is part of history of humanity from day one.  Always was, always will be.

I cannot link it here because of network issues.
3257  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Race, religion, ethnic origin, LGBT, & "discrimination" on: November 16, 2012, 08:01:39 PM
I am wondering if once Obama has the opportunity to pack another liberal or two on the Supreme Court will be see slavery reparations law suits move forward.
3258  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: US-Russia on: November 14, 2012, 05:04:14 PM
"is going to offer what...."

I mean with reference to his "off the mike" comment to Medved (that was still on the mike) "just wait until after the election".

WEll I learned first hand how EASY it is to bribe people as witness to what happened to us from the music entertainment industry.

Let this be a lesson to everyone else how easy it is to bribe Americans to take the cash at the same time they give the country away. cry cry
3259  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Talk radio saved my sanity during the Clinton years on: November 14, 2012, 04:59:47 PM
I have no idea how I can keep my sanity now -

One week post election and I am already going crazy every time I have to hear Obama's voice.

His hatred of America, anger, racism just keeps getting worse.

Well Michelle stated she did not like America.  Now, I no longer do.

My liberal Jewish family members better not bring up politics on Thanksgiving. angry angry angry

I am no longer proud to be Jewish.  Sorry.  My brethren have given a lot to the world.  But Obama is absolutely unforgiveable.  Obviously most liberals are not Jewish but Jews have a disproportionate amount of influence in respect to their numbers.  Just like the socialist movements in Europe and including Russian Communism.  Without Jewish political theory, votes, media, financial support there is no doubt this guy would never be President. 

I am not sure if any of the founding fathers of America were Jews.

My Jewish liberal guys and gals  will be sorry for what they did to America.  They jeopordize their own earned privileged position.  They are apparantly too dumb to know it.

Frum sounds all mixed up.

I prefer Krauthammer, Levin, Kaufman, J. AND B. Goldbergs and even Jackie Mason.

In reading Stalin he was personally somewhat neutral about the Jews.  It wasn't a racial or genocidal thing with him.  Yes , he murdered many.  He was just afraid of their ties to the capatalistic country called America and probably Zionism.

Stalin did have a problem with the "intellectual" Trostsky and less "militant" (if you will) Jewish soicalists, but any dislike of Jews seemed to be more from a  paranioa about their politics and threat to his power.  Not that he hated Jews "per se". 

The social Democrats and social capatilists of Europe from the 1800's to early 1900's would be so proud of the liberal Jews of today in the US. sad angry cry cry
3260  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / trivia on: November 14, 2012, 04:39:12 PM
I just read Putin's *grandfather* was a "celebrity" cook.

He was get this, the cook for Stalin, AND Lenin, AND, get this, - Rasputin.

Now of course the destroyer of the US, no not Putin, I mean Obama, is going to offer what to the KGB's Tsar of the oligarchs  (Putin)?
3261  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: November 11, 2012, 11:00:03 AM
noonan seems confused.   

"The great challenge for the Republican Party now is how to change its ways without changing its principles. Its principles are right and have long endured because they're right. But do all the party's problems come down to inadequate marketing, faulty messaging, poor candidates? Might some of it be policies, stands, attitudes?

What the heck is this jumble of crap?

Look it is simple.  We have the country receiving benefits and half that don't.

What policies, stands, and attitudes are faulty?  The Constitution?  What because Romney did not pander and try to buy off Latinos with immigration reform?  Because a few evangelicals made foolish political comments about abortion?

The only message I can think of that does need to be better is not just saying we "care".

Does she think Romney would have won if he didn't say the "47%" (which is absolutely true BTW)?

The only thing the Republicans can do to stick with their principles and to fight for America is somehow convince all thes new faces of color (Asians and Latinos), and the old faces of color (Blacks and some Latinos) that they are making a BIG mistake voting Democrats.   The Democrat party will keep them and the rest of this party poor.  Trickly up poverty as Radio host Savage describes.  Drag down the wealth producers and we all go down.  Now Obama has just said that is good.  He said well all go up or down together.  Obviously many have bought the koolaid.  But more importantly more like the handouts.  We have to somehow convince more people this is doomed to failure.

I don't know if we can accomplish this though.   We will see over the next four years as times get worse and our debt goes up.

I am not looking forward to the pain.  I wish I was independently wealthy as I would otherwise be very up for the fight.  I just don't have any resources.

3262  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed on: November 11, 2012, 10:43:57 AM
Last post for the day.

People who have read or remember any of my posts would know I used to be more of a "moderate" republican.  But three terms of Bushes prove this is doomed to failure.  We do not need Jeb or now we have another one.

As before H gave us Clinton.  W was worse - we got the racist socialist American hating guy we have.  W tried to close the donut hole,  compassionate conservatism etc.  What did it accomplish?  All it did was give away more benefits and then the left moves *forward* even more.  It does not stop their movement.  It does not make them happy.  It doesn't even slow them down.   WE have to keep the eye on the ball - the END GAME.  What is their endgame
One *world* government
Essentially no religion.  Both concepts are "Medievil"

There should be no USA.  Just one country and the wealth shared and spread around as the central government sees fit.

Of course the libs, including my fellow Jewish intellectuals will say that this is "progress", this is "good, this is "fair".  That those who will be in charge will still be duly elected, and we the people will have the power to remove, replace, change correct the government.   This is fantasy.   We will lose our freedoms, we will be servants of government and the power will be so great we will be helpless.

In any case the point is to watch where THIER endgame is.  Concilialtion will only reuslt in short delays and not win anyone over to our side.

We do have to win with ideas.  Not with more giveaways.  But for now I don't think ideas will/can win.  Not until the country breaks more.  Unfortunately we will have to endure far more pain before the "masses" will be able to see this.  Till then they buy the demogaguery that the rich need to pay more hook line and sinker.  This is what they all say while waiting in line picking up their checks or running to the mailbox to do the same.
3263  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed on: November 11, 2012, 10:29:59 AM
One last warning.  We read rumors about the increasing and expanding surviellance of our government.  As our world, our lives, our humanity, including all our communications, our interactions,  our believes, thoughts, transactions, buisness and personal become digitalized into the exponential data streams that are collected, catalogued, categorized, and analyzed by our government and sadly but surely private companies our freedoms will diminish.

Knowing full well how it is virtually impossible to protect electronic data,  Indeed no average person can even get any kind of device that can be even reasonalby be protected (don't kiod yourself with the propaganda about enscryption - etc) we are virtually at 100% risk of totaliarism.   Akin to the Okhrana police of the Tsars,  and later the KGB.

We hear rumors that our government is surviellancing "right" wing groups.  Oh really?  Who, Why and who decides what is right wing or a danger.  Obama would consider any teapartier to be a danger.  I am not kidding.  There is an appearance that progressive powers in our government is gearing up to combat what they will perceive is a counter revolution.

Warning made.  Readers beware.  I believe it is happening before us but under the radar.

3264  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / part two on: November 11, 2012, 10:19:52 AM
I don't know how our party can compete with bribery of blocks of citizens.   We can't come back with ok we will give you food stamps, medicaid, welfare, unempolyment, easier disability,  tax (the shrinking share of taxpayers ) more, school loans health care and guess what  WE will throw in "free" season tickets to see your favorite football team - courtesy of the rich.

Hey aren't I entitled to have seats?

I don't know if a really charismatic, persuasive telegenic candidate is enough.

I don't know if the ideals that were the core traditional American values reflected in our constitution are enough.   People want the easy route - the cold hard cash.

The only thing I can see is until this socialist turn crashes of its own weight - until taxes are 79% like in France,  and our debt load cruhes us,  and people will begin to realize this IS worse,  until then, it may be too late.
3265  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed on: November 11, 2012, 10:12:53 AM

As for immigration it may the politically correct thing to do to get it off the table as Krauthammer and apparantly Hannity believe.  I can say with full confidence that this WILL not resolve the Republicans Latino minority status.  First if we do not concede amnesty we can be totallly 100% guaranteed Obama will grant it before his teem expires anyway.

Second if anyone believes that a Repub party backing of amnesty will make most Latinos love our party that all I have to do is remind everyone Reagan granted amnesty to what was it 1.5 or 3 million illegals 25 yrs ago.  And what was his thanks?  20 million more flood the country and 75% of the Asians, Latinos and the rest vote for the opposing party.  We must first learn from history - not repeat it.

Rush Limbaugh is correct here.  It is not about immigration policie.  That is all a smoke screen.  The issue for Latinos who are on the bottom rungs of th economic ladder, many are single mothers,  is the government giveaways.  period.
3266  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: November 07, 2012, 12:24:01 PM
Agreed with the above posts.  All very discouraging.  Bob Grant may be right - it is already too late.

How do we attract Latinos to the repub part without simply trying to out bid the crats with tax payer funded bribes?

How do we deal with illegals?  Latino and non Latino?  We just grant them amnesty?  WE offter them the chance for student loans, food stamps, obamacare?   throw in a "free" cell phone?

American values are clearly no longer held by an increasingly larger and larger number of people. 

Crafty, did you ever start the "direction of the Republican party" thread. 

I really don't know how to compete with cold hard cash - confiscated from taxpayers and given away "free benefits" to a larger and larger electorate.  Nothing competes with cold hard cash for a vote.

We can talk about freedom, liberty, personal responsibility, smaller government, capitalism, everyone has a chance to succeed, etc.  But that will not work too well against a party that stuffs greenbacks (funny money that doesn't exist - 16 and counting trillion in debt) into their constituents pockets. 

We will go from an exceptional country to a second rate stagnant one.

3267  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: November 06, 2012, 10:06:01 AM

I sure hope he is right.

His reputation is on the line.  Who will ever listen to him again if he is wrong?

Does he say anything about the Senate?

What good is Romney if he is up against a socialist Senate? shocked
3268  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Fascism, liberal fascism, progressivism, socialism: on: October 31, 2012, 12:43:27 PM
I just read a condensed biography of Lenin and am in process of reading montiofore's incredidibly detailed biography of Stalin.  At least the one of his pre 1917 days.

What Lenin unleashed on the planet is unbelievable.   He was not about change in Tsarist Russia.  At the climax of his life when he jumped on to the armored car and screamed to his followers who brought him back from hiding in Finland to Russia,  He exclaimed, "long live the **worldwide** communist revolution" to the cheers of thousands.  It was a remarkable moment in history.  He spent nearly his entire life since around the time his elder brother was executed by the Tsar evolving into the revolutionary who along with Stalin and Trotsky brought a new power to Russia.  Yet from what I read, that as he was becoming more and more feeble before his death in 1924 from a series of strokes , he could see how Stalin was working behind the scenes consolidating power - and he was absolutely aghast at what he saw.  Indeed the biogrpher I read believes he felt Stalin's vision of Communism was unlike what was intended.  Instead of a government ruled by the workers (90% of the people) Russia got one of the most oppressive, ruthless, violent, mafia style governments run by just a relative few with Stalin the supreme terror magnate.  Even Lenin concluded at the end this was far worse then any oppression of the Tsars.  Yet he was too weakened to do anything about it, and Stalin whos genius lay in a combination of street wise thuggery and intellectual ability at organizing, leading and supreme dedication to his brand of communism (with him at the top) was, I can tell you, a 1,000,000,000 times worse then Al Capone.

I hate to say it, but I am no longer really proud to be Jewish.  There are simply too many Jews like Oliver Stone.   Indeed many of the socialists of Europe and Russia were of my faith.  

One of my grandfathers came here to escape the communist revolution I was told.  He was proud of America. In fact eh rarely, so I am told spolke Yiddish or Russian becasue he wanted to be an American  Unlike many immigrants of today.  As for the socialist revolutions in Europe many Jews were part of it.  I guess they had some justification with regards to fighting an opressive Tsarist culture but unlike many who came to America and fell in love with captilism and Democracy too many persist in communist dogma.  I still question if the Axelrods of communist Russia are ancestors to David Axelrods communist parents.

Again as I have noted on this board for years  I say too many Jews including those who would aplogize for Stalin, hold the Republican party in lower regard to the Nazi party.  Stone is one.  David Axelschmuck is another.  Brockman knows this too well.  Shame on fellow Jews for supporting this American hating monstrosity in the WH.

They are not too stupid to think he is not using them - they just don't care.  Anything for the beloved Democarat party.  I am no longer proud of many of my brethren.

I suggest people read Palmer's bio on Lenin and Montiofore's on Stalin.  I am sure George Soro's woudl say that the ideology of communism or its variants are good - what he would call "GOOD GOVERNMENT".  Just that communism got a bad rap by some selfish power hungry psychopaths in Russia.  I say he is wrong - dead wrong - without checks and balances there is NO such thing as "good" government.  Not now or ever in the history of mankind.  Nor will there ever be.  The ONLY difference between what we are seeing now in the US with Obama and his puppet masters and Russia of the 20th century is the lack of violence.  That they are almost to succeed without violence is a sight to behold by me.

Thank God there are some brilliant Jews left like David Horowitz.
3269  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Media Issues on: September 20, 2012, 11:13:11 AM
A day or two ago Geraldo Rivera was asking a guest about Romney's 47% comments and his first question had to do with somethng to the affect was this a criticism of Blacks.

I couldn't believe he was turning this issue into a racial thing.

He sits on Fox and he calls himself a Republiican?  He is no republican he is saying that only because he is on Fox.

I am no longer a fan of Rivera.

3270  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Rules of the Road/Fire Hydrant on: September 20, 2012, 11:08:09 AM

Come back you are missed.

3271  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: September 18, 2012, 09:27:45 AM
Romney's messages are too canned.

It will be a shame if Repubs lose the election because they do not have a mouthpiece who can spin like Clinton.

Then again they are up against the MSM, they are against a party that uses tax money to bribe as much electorate as they can.

Ari Fleischer was defending Romney and clearly pointing out the obvious.  That 47 % paying no income taxes is a huge problem.  Yet Andersan Cooper could not see to focus on this very valid and accurate point.  Instead it was all about seniors who make up some of this group, it is about payroll tax (which we all know does not go into a lockbox account to pay for what it is supposed to but gets spent for other programs), and the "victimhood" remark.   

As though the 47% are not happy to keep sticking it to the rich and taking their checks.  They are all so insulted.  Just more political correctness.

So will Obama be Carter or Romney Dole?  It seems they are both.

What Romney said is exactly true.  The country has become dependent, expecting the government to take care of them.

Case - proof in point - single mothers.   They are overwhelmingly for the Democrats.

The country clearly is on the wrong track.  But people don't care about ideology.  They care about their bills.
3272  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: September 13, 2012, 10:55:11 AM
"the facts remains IMHO that Bush made some major errors and public trust in Republican foreign affairs competence is very low."

In retrospect yes.

Hillary came out well in explaining the position better today.

The middle east is an inferno with no really great solution for the US or Israel.

Adding, if anyone has any doubts about Hillary running for 2016 you only need look at her today.

3273  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Political Rants & interesting thought pieces on: September 12, 2012, 02:19:27 PM
My sentiments exactly ditto the above post.

Once again as noted years ago.  Brock Obama would never have become President without the help of liberal Jews.

They need to rethink their political alignment.

I know they are Democrat party hacks for multiple reasons:

Religious doctrine to be for the underdog
Democrat party which has historically  been for immigrants (votes) and most Jews and their descendants came here 100 years ago as immigrants.

Historical bigotry against Jews from Republican wasps and Christains (you can't come to our universities or country clubs).

Guilt, but far more for *narcissm* or the belief that if one pretends they are for the poor or downtrodden somehow this makes them wiser, smarter, better, superior to other people.   Perhaps part of the "chosen ones" theme (I am not sure).

Trust me, on the last point.  No one in this fucking world *has ever* thanked Jews for this narcissistic pursuit.  If so we would not have for ages and into the present and for the forseable future been so resented, so disliked and held as the scapegoats.

Unfortunately I don't think the Axelrods, Emanuals etc have the capacity to ever admit they are wrong.  Additionally they all have too much influence and power (while getting rich) doing what they do for their democrat party.

Dershowitz, despite being pompous and also a bit narcisstic has far more humanity and I suspect kindness in his heart.  He seems more rational. 

3274  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: September 12, 2012, 02:07:47 PM
OK, I am in the minority.

I support an all out attack on Iran's nuclear facilities and whatever else it takes.  Should have been done years ago.

3275  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Media Issues on: September 09, 2012, 11:06:09 AM
This AM obama's surrogate Fareed Zakaria is twisting the arguments ass backwards and saying the Republicans, and conservatives are angry at America.

It is all "nostalgia" which is the liberal's new way of saying the Republicans just are white male racists who want white supremacy.

He had a bunch of liberal friends from Harvard (of course or Princeton of course) to advance his case.

The liberals will not cease to make this into a race baiting election.

My answer is if the right was about nostalgia for slavery or segregation than why are we trying as hard as possible to include as many minorities as possible.

Romney has to make the case it is the left that hates American ideals, hates American exceptionalism, capatilism, constitutionalism, and limited government.  With regard to the latter MR and conservatives continue to fail to make the case that less government is better.

Today Art Laffler was on FOX and was asked specifically and directly an important question that goes to the heart of today's neo civil war.

He was asked why is should people believe that "trickle down" economics is better for the majority of people?  Do not the rich keep getting richer and the rest of the people stagnate?  Why not increase tax rates on higher earners, Clinton did it and the economy boomed.  Laffler was a complete failure at articulating a logical rational simple response that most people would agree to.

I gaurantee Doug McG would do a far better job at answering these questions ina way the average could understand and immediately agree to.

I do not understand why these core questions are not being answered by the MR team.  All they do is talk "jobs", the "debt", and other buzz words that DO NOT specify why history proves them/us rright and the socialists wrong.

If they can learn to answer these types of questions then the game is won.  If not we wiol contine to have fecnce sitters who will decide the safer course is government handouts and wealth transfer.

I just get it.  Romney is still playing a win by default game.
3276  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / first jewish champion boxer on: September 08, 2012, 01:24:37 PM
I read he made boxing popular in Ireland:
3277  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: September 07, 2012, 06:37:41 PM
And lets not forget that the reason Clinton balanced the budget was because of the largest stock market boom since 1929 casuing taxs revenues to skyrocket and then went bust two months after he left office leaving W with a recession.

You know I just read a shortened biography about WC Fields.  It describes with deep sympathetic detail how Fields ran away from home at 11 after in  self defense he smashed his cruel father over the head with a crate.  And how this child had to live on the streets in holes, in empty sewer pipes, surviving off the streets.   Then I read on Wikipedia a report that this was all bullshit.  He really left home at 18, had a decent middle class upbringing, and his supported his juggling career.  I don't know which story is accurate yet I know how people in entertainment can completely make up histories, and biographies.

There must be something about rocesea that makes people into fabulous bullshit artists.

It is bad enough when entertainers lie, and Lord knows (as do I) how they do, but when we have leaders of our country who we entrust.....

I disagree with Noonan on Clinton's speech.  It doesn't make him look small.  It is quite the opposite.  He is a little man who speaks with phoney gradiosity.  Once a liar - always a liar.  Indeed, even if he ever does tell the truth how would we know?
3278  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: September 06, 2012, 07:18:25 PM
It is heartwarming to know that the US military agrees with Russia on this issue.  Israelis should sleep well at night:
3279  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: September 06, 2012, 07:07:46 PM
"Michele Obama has turned into a great political performer, and her speech Tuesday night was remarkable and memorable'

Truthfully, wouldn't most people get good at making speeches if they do it frequently for years?
3280  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: September 06, 2012, 12:27:36 PM
It remains to be seen if CNN and other MSM do "fact checks" on Clinton's speech which reminded quite well how he can spin anything and the media will drool all over him.  Truth, reality, facts, history - for some reason because he spins it so well he gets away with anything.

He apparently has that ability to fool some of the people "all of the time".
3281  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: September 06, 2012, 12:24:35 PM
Taiwan/China and the Koreas are at this time a standoff.

Iran leadership has made their intentions known.  Different situations.

As for our military we have a commander in chief who has made his intentions known.]

Top military brass traditionally do not contradict him in public.

I don't agree with the US taking the risk of Iran getting nuclear devices and possibly murdering tens of thousands or more.

Preemptive action should have been taken years ago in my armchair opinion.

The risk of nuclear war is going to be far higher when Iran gets nuclear weapons.   sanctions will not work and cannot work - not with China and Russia not supporting them.
3282  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Media Issues on: September 05, 2012, 04:03:29 PM
Good post.   It remains to be seen how CNN's anchors fact check the Dems during their convention.

The women anchors on CNN hve made Republican "fact checking" a career taking it on with passion and vengeance.
3283  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: September 05, 2012, 03:49:07 PM
"That said, if a drawn out war ensues, no one is saying that we won't step in before Israel is destroyed.  Of course we would."

JDN this totally misses the point whether accurate or not.

Once Iran achieves a couple of deliverable nuclear devices Israel can be destroyed in minutes.

The whole point is Iran needs to be prevented from doing this at the outset.  The longer we wait the more difficult it becomes to stop them.

I suppose one other possibility is the US is waiting for more inside intelligence data to better prepare for as close to a knockout blow as possible but this seems very wishful thinking.

3284  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Politics of Health Care on: September 04, 2012, 03:50:13 PM
"PM revealed himself to be a progressive ass in way over his head without even realizing it."

When he first replaced Larry K I thought he was pretty good.  Now I see him as just an opinionated bore.   And I thought Larry was too liberal.   shocked
3285  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: September 04, 2012, 03:45:34 PM
"not really addressed in JDN's posted piece, is the ongoing hardening of Iranian defenses"

Precisely!   We keep hearing one excuse after another why not to attack.  "We don't know where all their targets are known".

This can always be the case.  So next year would be a better time to attack then this year?  These excuses have been ongoing for years now.
3286  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: September 04, 2012, 03:40:15 PM
Yes as feared the military option never was really on the table.  It was all talk the last couple of months to keep liberal Jews sending in the money for his campaign.

I am a bit concerned even MR is now equivicating by saying we need "crippling" sanctions.  It is painfully obvious this will not and cannot work.

The only ones who want war is Iran.

The Romans would have known what to do - "you want war we will give you war, you want peace we will give you peace".

John Bolton keeps saying as some of us here - if one thinks iran is a pain now just imagine what they would be like with nuclear weapons.

I guess the only other option would have been to take a John McCain route and have supported the protesters a few years ago and try to get them to overthrow the mullahs.
3287  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / This an example of OWS people having a point. on: September 02, 2012, 04:11:41 PM
Got to get this off the page before the election.  Justice is skewed when big money and influence is involved.  On this OWS people are certainly correct.   Not a peep from Republicans on this.
3288  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: September 02, 2012, 03:53:32 PM
"that a military strike could damage but not destroy Iran’s nuclear capability"

Well of course a country cannot forever stop another from seeking nuclear weapons.

It would always be delaying or temporarily stopping it.

The fact no military action has been taken for two decades has made it much harder.

Think if Israel had not struck Iraq in the early eighties or Syria when they did.  It could only be worse.

The point is Israel has NO choice.  Iran's intentions are quite clear.

What's best for America?

Apparantly the Obama people and perhaps the US military has decided a nuclear Iran is better than the alternative.

That is also clear.

This is not best for Israel.
3289  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Obama and Democratic party cartel's strategy not new. on: September 02, 2012, 03:45:09 PM
*Plato warned that democratic leaders would “rob the rich, keep as much of the proceeds as they can for themselves and distribute the rest to the people”.*

The lessons of history seem to be lost in the generations.  Friom the Economist.

****Democracies and debt
Voters are now facing a harsh truth
Sep 1st 2012 | from the print edition
ALMOST half the world’s population now lives in a democracy, according to the Economist Intelligence Unit, a sister organisation of this newspaper. And the number of democracies has increased pretty steadily since the second world war. But it is easy to forget that most nations have not been democratic for much of their history and that, for a long time, democracy was a dirty word among political philosophers.

One reason was the fear that democratic rule would lead to ruin. Plato warned that democratic leaders would “rob the rich, keep as much of the proceeds as they can for themselves and distribute the rest to the people”. James Madison, one of America’s founding fathers, feared that democracy would lead to “a rage for paper money, for an abolition of debts, for an equal division of property and for any other improper or wicked projects”. Similarly John Adams, the country’s second president, worried that rule by the masses would lead to heavy taxes on the rich in the name of equality. As a consequence, “the idle, the vicious, the intemperate would rush into the utmost extravagance of debauchery, sell and spend all their share, and then demand a new division of those who purchased from them.”

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Democracy may have its faults but alternative systems have proved no more fiscally prudent. Dictatorships may still feel the need to bribe their citizens (eg, via subsidised fuel prices) to ensure their acquiescence while simultaneously spending large amounts on the police and the military to shore up their power. The absolute monarchies of Spain and France suffered fiscal crises in the 17th and 18th centuries, and were challenged by Britain and the Netherlands which, though not yet democracies, had dispersed power more widely. Financial problems contributed to the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Nevertheless, with much of the democratic world now in the throes of a debt crisis, it is tempting to ask whether the fears of Madison and Adams have come to pass. Given the rise in inequality in America and Britain over the past 30 years, it is hard to argue that democracies have led to the confiscation of private wealth. Quite the reverse: modern American politicians either need to be wealthy, or need the financial backing of the rich.

But there is a broader problem. Modern governments play a much larger role in the economy than the ancient Greeks or the founding fathers could have imagined. This makes political leaders a huge source of patronage, in the form of business contracts, social benefits, jobs and tax breaks. As the late political scientist, Mancur Olson, pointed out, these goodies are highly valuable to the recipients but the cost to the average voter of any single perk will be small. So beneficiaries will have every incentive to lobby for the retention of their perks and taxpayers will have little reason to campaign against them. Over time the economy will be weighed down by all these costs, like a barnacle-encrusted ship. The Greek economy could be seen as a textbook example of these problems.

One answer could be to take fiscal policy out of the hands of elected leaders, just as responsibility for monetary policy has been handed to independent central bankers. To some extent, that has been happening. Greece was briefly run by Lucas Papademos, an unelected former central banker, and Italy is still ruled by Mario Monti, a former EU commissioner. These technocrats are, it is assumed, more willing to take unpopular decisions.

Another approach, with which America has occasionally flirted, is to pass decisions to a bipartisan commission. (This may be the best answer to the “fiscal cliff” that looms in 2013.) Since the decisions of such a commission, and indeed of technocrats in Greece and Italy, are still subject to a parliamentary vote, democracy is not completely abandoned.

For a long time, there did not seem to be any limit to the amount democracies could borrow. Creditors have been more patient with democratic governments than with other regimes, probably because the risk of abrupt changes of policy (like the repudiation of Tsarist debts by Russia in 1917) are reduced. But this has postponed the crunch point, rather than eliminated it—and allowed stable democracies to accumulate higher debt, relative to their GDP, than many, more volatile countries ever achieved. Governments can, as Madison suggested, confiscate the wealth of domestic creditors via inflation, taxes or default. But however often they vote, democracies cannot make foreign lenders extend credit. That harsh truth is now being discovered.

from the print edition | Finance and economics .Copyright © The Economist Newspaper Limited 2012. All rights res*****
3290  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: September 01, 2012, 12:57:24 PM
MR is waffling a bit with the "crippling sanctions" lines.  It is painfully obvious that there is no such thing and can be no such thin when we have China, Russia, and others not playing ball with us on that matter.

MR now is saying military option is "on the table".    Here we go again.  Same BS line that at this point has zero affect on Iran leadership.

Of course not much Mitt can do at this point unitl he is President.
3291  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: September 01, 2012, 12:51:52 PM
Crafty I agree with your post.

"The American uni-polar moment is gone"

And good riddance.  

I only saw a small portion of the convention but someone (Mitt?) was speaking about "only America can lead the charge against crises around the world" (or something to that effect).

This is in my opinion a blunder.  I personally, and believe most Americans have come to agree that we DO NOT want to be the policemen for the world.

It may have been John McCain who was stating this stuff.  I do not agree with we should be getting involved in every middle east country every time there is a crises.

America should not be taking on the role of spreading Democracy around the world.  We can encourage it, promote it but keep our troops our money out of it.  I think most Americans agree with me.   And Dick Morris also said as such when he mentioned how when he listened to McCain speech "alarm" bells starting going off in his head - those who were hearing the speech would be thinking, oh no not again.

I generelly like McCain but on this he is nuts.  We don't need more wars unless it is in our absolute security interests.

I feel helping Israel is in our direct security but of course I am biased because I am Jewish.  I don't know if JDN and the rest of Americans can be persauded as such.  On this I like what Romney has to say for it is clearly inevitable that military action is needed to stop Iran from finishing the job they are hell bent on for 2-3 decades.
3292  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Obama Phenomena on: August 31, 2012, 09:13:06 AM
Harvey Golub the ex ceo of American express was on cnbc this am and I thought he said in a nutshell my conclusions after doing some amatuer reading up on history.

He stated that history is replete with examples that the ONLY political system that works to lift people's lives upward in socio economic class has three components:

1- free markets
2- property rights
3- rule of law

Government control whether communism, socialism, facsism has never worked in creating wealth.

I remember we pondered why in Latin America their is so much more divergence of the classes as opposed to US / Canada.  There was a good documentary on this exact point but i don't recall if it was from channel 13 or Nova.  Anyway it had to do with the difference in landownership.  Those from England who came to the new world to Englished settled colonies were almost all indentured servants.  Howev er they were allowed to work off their debt and purchace and own land.

In Latino settled countries they were not allowed to own land.  They lived as virtual serfs renting from the big land grwoing landowners.

That is why in Latino countries they are controlled by groups of oligarchy families who gained and maintained control over the centuries.

As for communism we only look at the dust bin of history to see the results of that.

We need the rule of law to keep the markets free. 

IMO we don't need more regulation but more enforcement of laws  that we have.

In any case I thought Golub's presentation this AM was spot on and the best summary yet of why Obama, and his radicals must be thrown out.

The little mealy mouth mouse on CNN (soloDAD) was of course asking Chirstine Odonnel if Romney is "radical".  What a joke, obama is the one who is trying to change 200 yrs of tradition in the US and the "mouse" was calling MR the "radical".  Of course ODonnel blew the answer.  I don't know for the life of me why she is on a national program .  I guess CNN libs made certain to put her on the day after the convention to try to undercut the Repubs.
3293  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Obama the figure head for the existing revolution in America on: August 28, 2012, 04:20:47 PM
The liberals have figured out how to carry revolution in the US.  Simply increase thier numbers by adding victim groups, the poor, the minorities, gays, now single women and bribe them with taxpayer monies.

They need not lift a gun, fire a shot, send anyone into exile.  Simply confiscate from a smaller and smaller group and use those monies to pay off those who will then in turn keep voting for them.

It can't be any more clear.

The problem is that many are happy to have others pay for them.  You can't "educate" them.  Only bribe them more.

  One difference between Lenin and brockman is Vladimir was the guru and the spokesperson whereas Brock is just the spokesperson.
  One similarity is Lenin was also interested in world wide revolution not just in Russia.  Russia was just the base of operations.   Now the progressives want to spread the one world wide government, get rid of religion, culture, sovereignty with one world wide centralized controlling authority.  The concept of the UN being in charge is only a step in the direction of ONE world government.

Dinesh was on cable the other night and descended a bit into psychobabble, but the overall direction of his conclusions are right on.
3294  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / "Forward" is blatant on: August 28, 2012, 04:06:36 PM
I never thought I would see a sitting President so obviously promote a socialist/communist agenda.   I am reading a condensed biography of Lenin and the comparisons today are wide and broad.  The only difference that rather than force of arms the present revolutionary left is using taxpayer funds to simply bribe a majority.  Every time they need a few more votes they come up with another group to put in the victim category to increase their voting share.
3295  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Fascism, liberal fascism, progressivism, socialism: on: August 26, 2012, 07:06:25 PM
Obama, Axelrod, Jarrett's communist connections.   I was trying to find if David Axelrod who is the offspring of Russian Jewish immigrants and whose mother worked for a radical right newspaper funded by Marshall was in any way related to the marxist/communist Pavel Axelrod who was associated with Vladimir Lenin.   I cannot find if there is an ancestral link or not but this piece has some other interesting communist links between some of the players:
3296  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Iraq on: August 19, 2012, 01:58:07 PM
W's embracing of the neocons' concept of spreading democracy around the world is so far a decided failure for America's interests.

This is the thanks we get.

Reminds me of the thanks Jews get for being so worried about the underdogs.

Iraq was in retrospect a mistake.  Afghanistan, I don't know how long we keep this up.

The only good thing is perhaps the right can use this against the Dems 2016 pres candidate - hillary clinton.

Of course there are already trial balloons suggesting it ain't her Sec of State failures as much as Bamster's policies.   She is just doing his bidding and of course she has "privately" had great bouts of disagreements but she has just been the good soldier.

Oh she has had so many disgreements with the chosen "ONE".  If only she was in charge and not subject to carrying out his policies.

The Middle East would be a peaceful lake without a ripple......

So goes the spin from the Clintonites who are just drooling to get her in position for '16.  There is no way she won't run.
3297  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Obama Phenomena on: August 15, 2012, 01:09:19 PM
"Barack Obama the man is more of a mystery to Americans than any president in modern history"

Yes.  It is astounding how the MSM refuse to investigate this guy.

Yet, we already have more digging and publicizing about Ryan in the last few days than we ever had about the brockster.

If not for Fox, and talk radio no one would ever know anything about the present presidents close ties to  marxists, socialists, communists, black racists, anti semites.


Yet the same crowd that likes to place all these revelations into the right wing, crazy conspiracy camp has no problem making the argument that going through Romney's and Ryan's tax records, and every singel detail about everything they ever did or said is relevant and germane.

The hypocracy the double standard is breathtaking to behold.

If the right had the same overt and covert support from the media the election would be a no contest.

I susupect it will wind up being a no contest despite their efforts to buttress their guys.
3298  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: August 14, 2012, 02:34:05 PM
Yes, Doug.  I recall our discussions on this issue.  I was wrong.   There is no compromise with liberals.  There is no end to their demands.  We have gigantic government now.  ****Endless**** entitlements programs, government programs, government organizations.   Yet their prescription is to tax and spend and expand this even more!

We cannot compromise.  We already have.  There simply is no compromise.  Stop it now or we are done.

In medicine every single thing I do is or will be scrutinized at *industrial* assembly line quality control levels.  Every single thing I say, I write, I do, every decision, every move, everything I don't do will collected sent stored and analyzed by people who will credit, discredit, reward, punish, pay for, refuse to pay for, make public, correct, make me redo, question, critique, "approve", not "approve", warn, and more.
If not enough, one false move, one mistake, I can be sued for years.

I am used to this in medicine.  It gets sworse not better everyday. But,  

I don't want this for the rest of my life's endeavors.  I don't want my car black boxed. I don't want my electric bill evaluated for the wrong usage, my water bill scrutinized for the amount of flushes, or my grocery bill scrutinized and taxed because obama doesn't approve of my  food choices.  

Despite all this I work several months a year to have it confiscated and doled out to the predominantly Democratic parties pet constituencies who of course vote them right back in office.

The Democrat party comeback is,
 I should pay more taxes, shut the fuck up, because I might be accused of being a biggoted white boy, who had the God damn nerve to have had the ood fortunebrought up in a good (we were confortable but not rich)  and nurturing family.

Am I angry, your damn right I am.

I have had enough!
3299  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Political Rants & interesting thought pieces on: August 14, 2012, 02:15:28 PM
Well, we sill see if peaceful elections are the antedote to the dangling of taxpayer monies to bribe ever increasing numbers and groups of voters, expanding their power, to the ong term detriment of this country as we have always known it.

Many are questioning if this is unstoppable peacefully.

We will know in November.

I am optimistic.
3300  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: August 14, 2012, 01:48:22 PM
"I think Obama inherited many of the current
problems from Bush"

The reason Bush was such a big spender was precisely because, he, Rove, and the "compassionate conservative" crowd were trying to keep up with the Democrats in appearing kind, "compassionate", for the "po", for the struggling masses if you will.

It was a spending spree to keep up with the tax and spend Democrats who are relentlessly willing without end to find reasons and ways to tax more and spend more essentially buying off more and more voters.  The Bush crowd is clearly fearful that if they don't do something to beat the Crats at their own game the crats will continue to buy off more and more voters as they are successfully doing.

Some years ago I agreed with this supposed compromising strategy.  Now I realize it was all misguided.  We cannot have two parties competing to spend more taxpayer money to pay for more and more entitlements.

The country is going over a cliff.   And the left will never be satisfied till  America is driven down to a status like all the other countries.  Liberals appear hell bent on the concept that America's wealth and those of the white race must be shared throughout the world.  And one central government will control it all.

So Bush was wrong as are all the Bushes.

Romeny choice in Ryan was sound.  We make a stand now or we can kiss the country goodbye.  The stricter conservatives are right in my view.

JDN, afrter reading your posts for years, I don't recall you ever spending any serious time bashing Democrats.  You always find ways to bash Republicans.

Why don't you just say tyou are a Democrt and of course you will vote for Obama.  Just get it over with.  Why try to kid us aftera ll these years.  You certainly want big brother entitlements.  Your posts for years reflect this.
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