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3301  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the Republicans on: October 16, 2011, 07:49:05 PM
So what would be the policy solution to this gap? "

I don't want transfer of wealth.   

Simplify the tax code.  Get rid of loopholes that only the rich even know about.  How about getting rid of off shore tax havens.  Some estimates hold over 9 trillion off shore - more than all the combined holdings of all us banks are off shore in switzerland caman islands, mauritania and others.

Otherwise I admit I am not sure.   I can think of things but I don't know which or any that would work.  Humanity is just too corrupt.
3302  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / 2 trillion for the banks on: October 16, 2011, 07:33:52 PM
This news is a couple of days old but I didn't notice it get much press time.  I don't get this for example:

" The government will create a public-private entity that could buy $500 billion in toxic assets, and could be expanded to a trillion dollars."

I wonder if they include solyndra in this calculated brilliant use of tax dollars.  There is no end to kicking the can down the road is there?

****U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner speaks during a news conference at the Treasury Department on Tuesday.
By Sue Kirchhoff and Pallavi Gogoi, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner unveiled a sweeping plan Tuesday to shore up the nation's troubled financial system.
It is designed to deliver as much as $2 trillion to troubled financial markets by having the government partner with the private sector to buy troubled assets from lenders, make more bank capital injections and expand a Federal Reserve lending program.

"Right now critical parts of our financial system are damaged," Geithner said at a Treasury Department press conference, warning that the nation faces the most serious economic crisis since the Great Depression. "Instead of catalyzing recovery, the financial system is working against recovery, and that's the dangerous dynamic we need to change."

The plan is just one part of overall efforts by the Obama administration, including a roughly $800 billion financial stimulus bill passed by the Senate Tuesday, to tackle the loss of millions of jobs, falling home and asset prices and a historic contraction in credit markets.

"It is essential for every American to understand that the battle for economic recovery must be fought on two fronts," Geithner said. "We have to both jump-start job creation and private investment and we must get credit flowing again to businesses and families."

Markets reacted negatively to the plan, however, with the Dow Jones industrial avereage down nearly 400 points in afternoon trading as investors and market analysts worried about the lack of specifcs in the broad proposal.

"The Financial Stability Plan outlined by Treasury Secretary Geithner this morning ... is obviously a work that is still very much a 'work in progress,'" economic consulting firm Stone and McCarthy said in a note to clients "It is quite possible that it may not be a finished product for an extended period of time."

Geithner's plan attacks the credit crisis on several fronts. First, the Treasury Department would use part of the $350 billion remaining from last year's $700 billion financial rescue fund as seed money, to induce the private sector to buy bad assets from banks. The government will create a public-private entity that could buy $500 billion in toxic assets, and could be expanded to a trillion dollars. Treasury has not yet settled on a final design for the program.

The administration will use another $80 billion in financial rescue funds to expand a recently created $200 billion Federal Reserve program. That program, designed to free up money for student loans, credit cards and auto loans, could also cover bonds backed by commercial real estate and privately issued mortgage-backed securities. The new funding is designed to leverage as much as $1 trillion in overall activity under the Fed program.

Geithner noted that 40% of the money for consumer lending has come through bundling loans into securities and reselling them in financial markets. As those so-called secondary markets have frozen, so has consumer and business lending.

Banks could receive more capital under the plan, which will be funded from the remaining $350 billion of last year's $700 billion financial rescue plan. Geithner said in order to get aid, banks would be subject to beefed up supervision or stress testing, especially big banks. Institutions that need additional capital will be able to access a new funding mechanism using money from the Treasury "as a bridge to private capital," Geithner said.

The renamed "Financial Stability Plan" rolled out by Geithner will also use at least $50 billion from last year's financial rescue law to help prevent home foreclosures. Details of that plan will be announced "in the next few weeks," Geithner said.

The plan relies on the Federal Reserve's willingness to expand current, historic programs to aid financial markets. But Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke faced some skepticism at a Tuesday afternoon hearing on Capitol Hill. Some lawmakers said they were worried that the Fed has already expanded its own balance sheet from about $800 billion to nearly $2 trillion as it created lending programs for stressed financial markets. The lawmakers also said the Fed has not released enough public information about its programs.

Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Ala., accused the Fed and Treasury of using an "obscure and seldom utilized" provision of law to make unprecedented interventions into the financial markets.

"Not only has there been no disclosure or little oversight or accountability, but there's actually been an active resistance on the part of these agencies to explain their actions or disclose the terms," Bachus said. "We simply know almost nothing about these transactions. We can only guess as to their ultimate success or failure. In future years I'm sure those that write (about) these days will be intrigued and captivated by the question: How could such an unprecedented action have occurred without the consent of the governed?"

Bernanke said the vast bulk of Fed loans are safe and are generating profits. He said the central bank is reviewing its policies to ensure it is providing as much public information as possible. He also said the Fed might have to continue expanding its balance sheet in areas such as student loans, auto loans, and other areas where it could help open up markets.

"With our expansion, we're trying to create and stimulate credit markets where markets have broken down," Bernanke said, adding the Fed wants to "keep looking for opportunity" where it has the tools to get markets working again.

Geithner said he realizes the financial rescue represents a sizable commitment, but noted that many of the amounts were loans and loan guarantees, which means the government eventually will be repaid.

Still, the country should know that the program will involve costs to the government and risks, but he said the alternative of doing nothing would be far riskier.

"As costly as this effort may be, we know that the complete collapse of our financial system would be incalculable for families, for businesses, and for our nation," Geithner said.

The new administration's bailout overhaul seeks to address widespread criticism of how the Bush administration ran the $700 billion program Congress passed in October. Lawmakers in both parties say banks were getting billions of dollars in taxpayer support with few strings attached, and all the government aid was failing to accomplish its primary objective of getting banks to lend more.

Under the overhaul, the Obama administration seeks to deal with those issues by more closely monitoring banks to make sure the money they get is being used to increase lending.

President Obama, speaking at a prime-time news conference Monday night, said his overhaul of the financial rescue program would bring "transparency and oversight" to the heavily criticized program.

He said the overhaul would correct previous mistakes such as a "lack of consistency" and what he said was the failure to require banks to show "some restraint" in terms of executive compensation and spending in such areas as corporate jets.

The first $350 billion in the bailout program was committed by the Bush administration under the direction of former Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson. In part because of the political outrage over how the program has been run, the Obama administration decided for now against seeking any money beyond the $350 billion that is still to be spent.

Many economists believe $700 billion won't be enough to get the financial system operating normally and the administration will eventually have to ask for billions more. The administration, however, decided to try to increase the power of the program by using smaller amounts of money to harness bigger resources available at the Fed and in the private sector.

Asked about the possibility that his administration will ultimately need more money, Obama said Monday the goal now is to "get this right" because it is important to restore financial market confidence so banks will resume more normal lending.****

3303  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Finally? on: October 16, 2011, 07:14:33 PM
Off the lead story on Drudge at this time:

"A top Republican in Washington dramatically altered his stance on protesters involved in Occupy Wall Street just one week after comparing the movement to “angry mobs”. Eric Cantor, the Republican majority leader in the House of Representatives, told Fox News on Sunday that Republicans agreed there was “too much” income disparity in the country. “More important than my use of the word [‘mobs’] is that there is a growing frustration out there across the country and it is warranted. Too many people are out of work,” he said."

This is a FIRST from a top Republican spokeperson.  A recognition of the wealth gap.   This in my humble opinion is a good step.  We must start hearing more recognition from the right about this.  This IS what I have been hoping more of from the right.  Simply speaking about opening up the tax spiggots and let the wealth poor in for the producers and those at the top and let it trickle down is NOT enough.  I've said repeatedly that those independents and many others do not buy this argument.  The middle class is becoming the lower class in this country.  The rich are getting richer.  The game is rigged to some extent at the top.  Like to admit it or not that is fact.  As I have said before Repubs ignore this altogether at their own peril.  Even Buchanan rightly pointed out the growing disparity in wealth and the slow crushing burden on the middle and that neither the right nor the left has offered a decent answer for this.  The right simply ignores it altogether - BIG mistake.

And again (I hope not ad nauseum) I say that as long as the right keeps ignoring this they will always be struggling to get the vote majority.  Isn't this cleary demonstrated by the fact that Brock STILL has a real chance of winning again?

Like Crafty suggested the right can steal the Democratic thunder (at least some of it) by embracing some of the Wall Street protest anger.  They may actually win over some of the independents.

So I am glad that Cantor (who I like) has changed his tune - or at least according to this article he may have.

3304  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Anti-semitism & Jews on: October 16, 2011, 07:01:52 PM
I wonder if there has ever been any study of Black antisemitism.

Surely some Blacks resent and dislike Jews.  I don't know if it would be at a higher percentage overall than say other groups including whites who dislike Jews.

It seems Sharpton, Wright, Farrakan fit the mold.  I recall Jackson's "hymietown" comment.  I often wondered why liberal Jews seemed to need to make the point that Jews had much in common with Blacks because of a history of discrimination.

Such Jews misread the situation.  It is not the discrimination issue that has many Blacks resenting Jews.  It is the socioeconomic disparity.   Blacks feel patronized by the lib Jews who coddle up to them, I suspect.

I remember one of my Jewish ancestors who was by no means bigoted or prejudiced.  Yet he had no narcisstic need to prove what a good heart he had by "sticking up" for Blacks.  He would say I am not worried about the Blacks.   They are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves.  Just like we do.
3305  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: October 16, 2011, 06:48:46 PM
I too saw Gregory attempt another hit of a Republican.  My first thought is how does he get all these Repubs to even come on his show and give him airtime. 

I thought Cain tactfully threw it all back in his face.

Gregory doesn't interview Repubs.  He tries to ambush, embarass, confuse them.  The "gotcha moment" if you will.
He is obviously coached to trap them off the blocks.

Cain was very ready and very able to handle all the questions this time.

3306  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / psychiatry eval of OBrock on: October 14, 2011, 04:38:47 PM
This psychiatrist calls W Bush "distrubed" but Obama "troubled".   The choice of words right there exposes him.  Of course this guy did his psych training at Harvard.  He states Brock is seeking a father figure calling Rev Wright and that.  Rev. Wright "disappointed him".  Does he mention that he only "disappointed" him when he had to throw him under the bus for selfish political gain.  He didn't seem disappointed for the twenty plus years he sat in his church.  And, LOL he claims Brock picked Biden because he is still seeking that father figure.

I lke this one, "Take for example Obama's earlier willingness to compromise with Republicans, upsetting his liberal base".
I don't know what planet this guy lives on but I never heard any real offers of compromise.  The Dems love to promote him as a compromiser when the rest of us know that is false.

Or this statement, "The result is that he is overly protective of his own nuclear family, desires greatly to see national unity, and yet harbors anger that he took out on bin Laden."

What does he mean "overly protective of his family"?  I don't see any difference from any other President.  "Desires to see national unity"?  What planet is this guy on?  This is the most devisive President in my lifetime.
And, "anger he took out on Bin Laden"?  What?  I think this shrink needs a shrink.  The only anger this guy takes out is on America.

I would love to see a far brighter Harvard psychiatrist tear this analysis apart:  Charles Krauthammer.  I wonder how Charles survived Harvard and is still so normal.  Well I guess a few grads are.  W graduated from Harvard Business and OReilly graduated from there. 

*******US News & World Report  Shrink: Obama Suffers 'Father Hunger'

October 14, 2011 RSS Feed Print The abandonment by his father when he was an infant and by his stepfather at age 10 has left President Obama with a "father hunger" that influences everything from why he distances himself from pushy supporters, to his strong desire to compromise and bring people together, to his aggressive campaign to kill Osama bin Laden, says a psychoanalytic book out next week. In Obama on the Couch, George Washington University professor Justin Frank also reveals that Obama has spent much of his life seeking out father figures, but most, like Rev. Jeremiah Wright and Vice President Biden, have disappointed him. "Obama searched for a father, for someone to relate to who could help him—a strong man who knew what to do," Frank writes.

This is Frank's second psychoanalytical book about a president. While a sympathetic look at Obama, it follows Bush on the Couch, a sharply critical analysis that suggested then President George W. Bush was disturbed. In that book, he predicted that someone like Obama—"completely different," "someone not ... white"—would succeed Bush. What the nation ended up with, however, is "an almost tragic figure," Frank writes.

The general theme is that Obama has been affected both by being biracial and by the abandonment of his two dads during his childhood. The result is that he is overly protective of his own nuclear family, desires greatly to see national unity, and yet harbors anger that he took out on bin Laden.

Take for example Obama's earlier willingness to compromise with Republicans, upsetting his liberal base. Here Frank cites the negative influence of his parents, especially his mom, who often pressed him to do better in school. "He hates being pushed by supporters who want him to make good on his promises of universal healthcare and care for the poor, something that represents his mother and how she pushed him to study harder," Frank writes. And when he ignores his base, he is emulating his father, expressing annoyance but not worried they will desert him.

As for bin Laden, Frank writes that Obama's inner anger emerged: "He was able to pursue his action against bin Laden in part because bin Laden offered a displacement figure for Obama's rage toward his own parents."

Frank also calls Obama scared of the type of radical change he advocated in 2008. "He wants to be the father who makes change safe, the person he has waited for his entire life."

Check out: our editorial cartoons on President Obama.******
3307  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: US Economics, the stock market , and other investment/savings strategies on: October 14, 2011, 02:30:31 PM
It certainly seems we hit a nearterm bottom which of course can change tomorrow with Soros' latest rumor.

I don't recall a weirder situation wherein some companies and investors are making money hand over fist yet nearly everyone I know personally is financially worse off.

The recent drop was I think due to the concern Europe banking would collapse.  Now the rumors are they are working on some sort of "deal" to kick the can down the road everything is back to hunky dorry?!

Perhaps BLoomberg can get Brian to go down to the Wall Street protesters and convince them all not to worry everything is really great.

What I screwed up country this is becoming.  More then once I have senior citizen patients coming in and telling me they are glad they don't have much time left.  They cannot stand what is going on.

3308  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / WW2 vets are turning over in their graves on: October 12, 2011, 03:02:16 PM
God I only hope we run this guy out of office for good.  It just keeps getting worse:

Apologies Not Accepted
Posted 10/11/2011 06:29 PM ET
In November 2009, Barack Obama became the first U.S. president to bow to Japan's emperor. View Enlarged Image
Leadership: Leaked cables show Japan nixed a presidential apology to Hiroshima and Nagasaki for using nukes to end the overseas contingency operation known as World War II. Will the next president apologize for the current one?

The obsessive need of this president to apologize for American exceptionalism and our defense of freedom continued recently when Barack Obama's State Department (run by Hillary Clinton) contacted the family of al-Qaida propagandist and recruiter Samir Khan to "express its condolences" to his family.

Khan, a right-hand man to Anwar al-Awlaki, was killed along with Awlaki in an airstrike in Yemen on Sept. 30. We apologized for killing a terrorist before he could help kill any more of us.

It's yet another part of the world apology tour that began with Obama taking the oath of office to protect and defend the United States and its Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, something he immediately felt sorry for.

One stop on his tour was Prague in August 2009. There he spoke of "America's commitment to seek the peace and security of a world without nuclear weapons," ignoring that before 1945 we lived in such a world and it was neither peaceful nor secure.

Another stop on the tour was in Japan, where Obama in November 2009 bowed to the emperor, something no American president had ever done. It could have been worse if plans to visit Nagasaki and Hiroshima to apologize for winning the war with the atom bombs had come to pass.

A heretofore secret cable dated Sept. 3, 2009, was recently released by WikiLeaks. Sent to Secretary of State Clinton, it reported Japan's Vice Foreign Minister Mitoji Yabunaka telling U.S. Ambassador John Roos that "the idea of President Obama visiting Hiroshima to apologize for the atomic bombing during World War II is a 'nonstarter.'"

The Japanese feared the apology would be exploited by anti-nuclear groups and those opposed to the defensive alliance between Japan and the U.S.
3309  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The congnitive dissonance of the left on: October 10, 2011, 02:59:01 PM
"Lured by cheap drugs and free food, creepy thugs have infiltrated the crowd of protesters camped"

Well, what were drugs doing there to start with?  Who is giving the "free" food.  Nothing is free.  Who is paying for this?

As though the people who began this noble, just, righteous, cause were all just a bunch of saints and then some bad elements just happen to show up later.  Oh I get it.

As usual the taxpayers will be stuck with the bill for this mess and not to say anything about the overtime for city employees.

I assume the ones who can ring the register up top increase their pay just before they retire.
3310  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The congnitive dissonance of the left on: October 10, 2011, 11:18:37 AM
"And the pay is $350-$650 a week depending on the responsibility and length of time of staff."

I keep wondering every time I see these losers on TV how they can afford to sit around for weeks on end yet they claim poverty.

Lets see.  They are already getting unemployment, they are sponging off their parents, they are selling drugs, on federal disability,
stealing, or are independently wealthy, retired.

I don't know.  You tell me.

I agree with the point (of some of them) about some unfairness in our system.  The rest are just there for the "experience", its "coolness", to meet girls and guys, push for free doles.

This is the group of people who no matter what no matter when or forever will always vote Democrat.

You see them at all Democratic political rallies.  I remember going to a Bill Clinton rally in Florida.  I was probably one of a handful of Republicans.  The rest looked similar to this crowd.

It is the handout you owe me entitlement "nation".

3311  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Media Issues on: October 10, 2011, 09:24:46 AM
GM your point about media hypocracy also finds fodder with the Wall street thing.  Especially trying to compare it to the Tea Party.

The left wing media keeps making this into a left version of the Tea Party.  Yeah right this is just like the tea party.   Professional hippies and union thugs demading handouts from succesful people is not the same as those paying the bills having a beef:

I am not sure what to make of the media silence about the drone killing and American citizen.  Personally I am all for it.  Yet the uproar over water boarding yet silence over this is prima faciae evidence of a two faced liberal democrat party media complex.
3312  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Media Issues on: October 08, 2011, 01:24:40 PM
Well Fox and Hannity are asking.

The MSM won't until they have to of course.

They are not interested in morality as much as their political and financial interests obviously.

Yet the MSM pretend they are all about morality.  We have SoloDAD giving us more "Latino in America" nonsense.  Yet not a peep from the queen of feeling sorry for illegals when it comes to the Latinos budgeoned in the streets of Mexico. 

Then again if Bush were Prez she and the silver haired Rothschild would be on every day screaming ther outrage for the poor of South of the border.

Of course what gays go through here in the US is far worse then any suffering in Mexico due to the terror of these bastard drug cartels. wink

3313  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / To PSA or not PSA on: October 08, 2011, 01:17:21 PM
That is the question without an answer.

Just we know, universal single payer government sponsored health care would not be recommending that we not do this test.  It would be *dictating* and refusing to pay for this. 

The talking heads on all the cable shows will have a field day with all their usual specialist guests, et. al. "debating" the cons and pros ad nauseum.

Thanks to the greats from Harvard who have seemed to have decided on the future of the world for the rest of us:

****prostate cancer test advice overturns dogma
Oct. 7, 2011, 5:36 p.m. EDTAPWASHINGTON (AP) — Men finally may be getting a clearer message about undergoing PSA screening for prostate cancer: Don't do it.

They may not listen. After all, the vast majority of men over 50 already get tested.

The idea that finding cancer early can harm instead of help is a hard one to understand. But it's at the heart of a government panel's draft recommendation that those PSA blood tests should no longer be part of routine screening for healthy men.

The U.S. Preventive Services Task Force examined all the evidence and found little if any reduction in deaths from routine PSA screening. But it did conclude that too many men are diagnosed with tumors that never would have killed them and suffer serious side effects from resulting treatment.

That recommendation isn't final — it's a draft open for public comment. But it goes a step further than several major cancer groups including the American Cancer Society, which urges that men be told the pros and cons and decide for themselves.

The new advice is sure to be hugely controversial. Already some doctors are rejecting it.

"We all agree that we've got to do a better job of figuring out who would benefit from PSA screening. But a blanket statement of just doing away with it altogether ... seems over-aggressive and irresponsible," said Dr. Scott Eggener, a prostate cancer specialist at the University of Chicago.

In the exam room, explaining the flaws in PSA testing has long been difficult.

"Men have been confused about this for a very long time, not just men patients but men doctors," said Dr. Yul Ejnes, a Cranston, R.I., internal medicine specialist who chairs the American College of Physicians' board of regents.

He turned down his own physician's offer of a PSA test after personally reviewing the research.

"There's this dogma ... that early detection saves lives. It's not necessarily true for all cancers," Ejnes said.

That's an emotional shift, as the American Cancer Society's Dr. Len Lichtenfeld voiced on his blog on Friday.

"We have invested over 20 years of belief that PSA testing works. ... And here we are all of these years later, and we don't know for sure," Lichtenfeld wrote. "We have been poked and probed, we have been operated on by doctors and robots, we have been radiated with fancy machines, we have spent literally billions of dollars. And what do we have? A mess of false hope?"

Too much PSA, or prostate-specific antigen, in the blood only sometimes signals prostate cancer is brewing. It also can mean a benign enlarged prostate or an infection. In fact, most men who undergo a biopsy for an abnormal PSA test don't turn out to have prostate cancer.

Screening often detects small tumors that will prove too slow-growing to be deadly — by one estimate, in 2 of every 5 men whose cancer is caught through a PSA test. But there's no way to tell in advance who needs treatment.

"If we had a test that could distinguish between a cancer that was going to be aggressive and a cancer that was not, that would be fabulous," said Dr. Virginia Moyer of the Baylor College of Medicine, who chairs the task force, an independent expert group that reviews medical evidence for the government.

About 1 in 6 U.S. men will be diagnosed with prostate cancer at some point in their life. Yet the cancer society notes that in Western European countries where screening isn't common, 1 in 10 men are diagnosed and the risk of death in both places is the same. In the U.S., about 217,000 men are diagnosed with prostate cancer each year, and 32,000 die.

Why not screen in case there's a mortality benefit that studies have yet to tease out? The task force outlined the problem with that:

—Up to 5 in every 1,000 men die within a month of prostate cancer surgery, and between 10 and 70 more suffer serious complications.

—At least 200 to 300 of every 1,000 men treated with surgery or radiation suffer incontinence or impotence.

—Overall, Moyer said 30 percent of men who are treated for PSA-discovered prostate cancer suffer significant side effects from the resulting treatment.

Among the questions sure to be raised during the public comment period are how doctors should advise men with prostate cancer in the family or black men, who are at increased risk.

PSA testing also is used to examine men with prostate symptoms, and to check men who already have had prostate cancer. The new recommendation doesn't affect those uses.

Congress requires that Medicare cover PSA tests, at a cost of $41 million in 2009. Other insurers follow Medicare's lead, especially in light of conflicting recommendations.

Nor does the new recommendation mean that men who want a PSA test can't have one. If the rule is adopted — something the government will review once the task force hears comments and finalizes its guidance — it would just advise against doctors pushing it routinely.

"The truth is that like so many things in medicine, there's no one-size-fits-all," said Dr. Michael Barry of Massachusetts General Hospital who heads the Foundation for Informed Medical Decision-Making that backs ways to help patients make their own choices.***
3314  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Media Issues on: October 08, 2011, 12:22:46 PM
"Why the lack of MSM outrage at “dead Mexicans”?"

Good question.

The stories coming out of Mexico are truly shocking.  The brutality, the cruelty is unbelievable.  And no one can stop it.
We in this country are doing the drugs that are feeding this.  Yet I hear no shame on our part, no guilt, no remorse.

Just blame the drug cartels for dealing us drugs.

The "fast and furious" guns trafficking is a big scandal with a big cover up probably all the way to Brock - However this is really only a small part of the overall problem.

The gang violence in the US is nothing like that seen south of the border in Mexico Central and South America.

I cannnot blame the Mexican government every time they point out the drugs are coming here and we pay for it.  Sure they are corrupt but so are we.

All we hear is the libs saying how we have so many people in jail for drugs when they should be getting "treatment".

What a joke.  That's not the answer either or is only a fraction of the answer.

3315  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / deflect the heat from Brock on: October 07, 2011, 04:04:36 PM
The title of this should be Dems seeking revenge and to deflect attention away from Brock's corruption issues with Solar and Fast and Furious by making a mountain out of a non issue over a conservative judge:

****Democrats mobilize over Clarence Thomas ethics investigation
Clarence and Ginni Thomas (Charles Dharapak/AP)

Forty-six House Democrats have joined forces this week to ask the chamber's Judiciary Committee to investigate Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas for ethics violations. The Democratic lawmakers' complaint argues that reports of Thomas' actions--including those related to the high-profile political activism of his wife, Virginia "Ginni" Thomas--have raised concerns about potential conflicts of interest.

"Public records clearly demonstrate that Justice Thomas has failed to accurately disclose information concerning the income and employment status of his wife, as required by law," Democrats led by Earl Blumenauer (D-Ore.) and Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.) wrote in a letter (pdf) Wednesday to leaders of the Judiciary Committee. The Democrats also question whether Thomas accurately reported gifts and inappropriately solicited donations.

Blumenauer's office confirmed to The Ticket Thursday afternoon that 46 lawmakers have signed on.

Liberal watchdog group Common Cause recently reported that Thomas' wife earned around $1.6 million between 1997 and 2011--and that Justice Thomas did not report her income over the same time span. Thomas said he "inadvertently" failed to file information on wife's employment "due to a misunderstanding of the filing instructions."

 A Supreme Court spokeswoman Kathy Arberg told the Huffington Post this week that justices are not required to disclose the amount earned by spouses--only the source of their spouses' income.

But Democrats argue that Thomas may have been intentionally withholding the information.

"There is now more than enough evidence to merit a formal inquiry as to whether Justice Thomas willfully failed to make legally required disclosures, perhaps for as long as 13 years," Common Cause president Bob Edgar said in a statement Wednesday. "Given that we now know he correctly completed the reports in prior years, it's hardly plausible--indeed, it's close to unbelievable--that Justice Thomas did not understand the instructions."

Democrats contend that the Supreme Court's protocols for such disclosures should be more transparent. "Because the Court continues to operate without a binding code of ethics or a transparent recusal process, it is time for Congress to exercise its Constitutional role and become involved in this process," Blumenauer said in a statement.

Ginni Thomas has become embroiled in several scandals over the past year.

In Oct. 2010, Thomas made headlines for calling the office of Anita Hill-- the woman who gained national exposure 20 years ago when she testified during Clarence Thomas' confirmation hearing that the nominee sexually harassed her. In last year's call, Ginni Thomas left a voicemail message seeking an apology from Hill.

Soon after, Ginni Thomas stepped down from conservative group Liberty Central, which she founded, citing "distractions" caused by her celebrity.

Her role at Liberty Central and her work with other conservative advocacy groups had raised questions about possible conflicts-of-interest for her spouse. The New York Times' Jackie Calmes last year said Thomas had "the most partisan role ever for a spouse of a justice on the nation's highest court."

Common Cause reports that most of the undisclosed funds earned by Ginni Thomas came from the conservative Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank based in Washington.***

3316  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed on: October 07, 2011, 02:35:16 PM
"Instead of focusing on the anti-free market element, I would focus on the correct anger at bailouts of some people, bank, and businesses that have acted very badly and communicate that what we see here is the natural result of the progressive/liberal fascist ideology."

I agree.  It is not simple class warfare, envy, or incorrect to do something about the inherent reality and truth that some of those fabulously wealthy peolpe have gotten away with things none of the rest of us could or should get away with.

I don't think that any Republican who points this out and is willing to at least give credence about a concept that works in practice as well as in theory to a "level playing field" is going against any core principle of hard work, risk taking, reward those who do well, personal responsibility or the rest.

One can be populist in this regard and conservative.  One of the tenets of our society, culture, political makeup is we all have an "equal chance".  Of course that is not really true but at least we should all have to play by the same rules.  Those at the top can clearly get around rules that the rest of us cannot.

This theme would in my view capture some of the independent voters who are on the fence not sure which side is better.

Those on the left want redistribution and point out that the wealthy are always keeping everyone else down and ripping us off.

Those on the right don't support this view and talk only about equal opportunity and personal responsibility.

I agree in theory with the right's view but also realize that is not recognizing that a lot of powerful people also are unethical.

It seems to me most in the US want to be responsible and want not be envious of wealth, success and achievement.  Yet many also realize some are ripping the rest of us off and they cannot and should not simply look the other way.

I liked Newt's comment about how Republicans should stop social engineering as well as those on the left.

I agree if I understand what he meant.  But he was never given the chance to explain.  The conservatives simply jumped all over him.  They ignore this at their own peril (by which I mean lost votes).

"The flat tax should have been implemented years ago."  No question.  It seems for the first time thanks to Herman Cain we have a spokeperson who is getting press over the idea of a flat tax.  Though I prefer a little higher income tax and no federal sales tax as in his 9 9 9 idea.

Thank God for Cain!  Now if he can brush up on foreign policy....

We need a cure for colon cancer just in case... and soon.

3317  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: October 07, 2011, 11:05:50 AM
From Doug:

"He was the lyricist who could put out words that people could fill with their own meaning.  Amazing that it worked once or worked twice."

From another genius:

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time."
[Abraham Lincoln, (attributed)
16th president of US (1809 - 1865)]

The some of the people all of the time are apparantly the 42% or so who still would vote for Brock.  Despite the disaster we are witnessing in the White House there are still that many in our country - virtually all who want payouts - who still believe in this con artist. 

The all of the people some of the time where the other 10 or 15 % who voted for him to begin with who hav since realized they were wrong to do so.  Brock is no longer fooling that group.  There were people like me and most on this board who were never taken in by the con in chief.

And of those 15 or 20% who have changed their minds many of them have done so because he is not liberal enough in his policies although he certainly would be if he could get away with it.

Mark Levin is finally calling it a political civil war.  Others including me have been stating this for a decade now.

Michael Savage has pointed out that in history their will not be blood in the streets till people are starving.

I don't know.  But threatening entitlements may be enough in our society.  I do agree with Brock that we are soft.  I don't agree with the reasons or what we do about it.
3318  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / What is the real unemployment rate? on: October 07, 2011, 10:54:19 AM
Doug what is your take on this:

As noted on Drudge the payroll rate up 103K this month.  Yet 45K is simply Verizon workers going back to work after a strike!

What kind of crap is this?  Those are not 45K new jobs.
What are we all this stupid?  Why can we not have honesty if nothing else in our government?
3319  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Soros insider trading on: October 07, 2011, 09:36:19 AM
Of course he uses his international reach to insider trade.  How else does he alsways make billions?
That said I put this under the socioeconomic class thread for a reason.  This is exactly what is unfair about our system.  He is so wealthy can hire armies of 1000 hr attorneys and fight this off and what is going to happen to him.  A bit embarrassed perhaps.
Anyone think he will go to jail?  A fine that for him is not more than a parking ticket for anyone else?

Santorum who is not getting any traction was talking about how the bankers got off without a scratch.

I guess one could use this story as the poster story for those people marching on wall street.  Notwithstanding most of them are a bunch of losers and party animals and otherwise in the words of Donald Trump looking for dates:

****October 6, 2011 9:34 pm

Soros fails to quash insider trading conviction
By Sam Jones in London and Stanley Pignal in Brussels
ReutersGeorge Soros, the billionaire hedge fund manager, has lost a case at the European Court of Human Rights to have his criminal conviction for insider dealing quashed.

The failed appeal in a 4-3 decision by the Strasbourg-based court is the latest twist in a nine-year battle by the 81-year-old Mr Soros to clear his name following his conviction in France in 2002.

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The French criminal case hinged on trades that the Hungary-born investor had executed 14 years earlier in the stock of Société Générale that reaped his hedge fund, the Quantum Fund, $2.9m in profits.

Mr Soros was found by the court in 2002 to have had inside knowledge about the intentions of a group of super-wealthy French investors – the “golden granddads” – to bid for the bank.

Although the bid failed, Mr Soros’s fund profited by buying shares before – and selling after – the group’s intentions became public and resulted in a spike in SocGen’s share price.

Mr Soros was fined €2.2m (£1.9m), later reduced to €940,507 on appeal.

At the time, Mr Soros described the guilty verdict as a “gift to my enemies”.

He is now left with one final, unlikely, chance to rid himself of his conviction: an appeal to the grand chamber of the ECHR. Such appeals are only heard on an “exceptional basis”, according to the court’s rules.

Mr Soros had based his initial appeal to Strasbourg on an argument that French insider-trading laws in the late 1980s were too vague for him to know that he was in breach of them.

In its decision, the ECHR conceded that “the wording of the statutes was not always precise” but said that Mr Soros, as a “famous institutional investor, well-known to the business community  . . . could not have been unaware that his decision to invest . . .  entailed the risk that he might be committing the offence of insider trading”.

Mr Soros’s lawyers lamented the ECHR’s close decision, pointing out that even the former French market regulator, the Commission des Operations de Bourse, had found France’s insider trading laws too ill-defined to warrant a civil case.

“It is inconceivable to expect that the citizen has a better understanding of the law than the authority in charge,” Ron Soffer, Mr Soros’s lawyer, said on Thursday, referring to the billionaire’s criminal conviction by jury.

“The opinion of the regulatory authority is an irrebuttable presumption as to the lack of clarity of the law,” Mr Soffer said.

Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2011. You may share using our article tools.
Please don't cut articles from and redistribute by email or post to the web.****
3320  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: October 06, 2011, 05:38:16 PM
I don't think I need to go into detail on Brick Brock's political diabtribe this AM.

He continues to demonstrate why he is far of a worse President than Jimmy Carter ever was - not only totally in over his head but continuues to deceive, lie and mislead.  At least Carter was honest if not competent.

Can anyone tell me we need to emulate China by wasting government money on solar?

We should to the exact opposite.  Let the Chinese waste their money and we copy and steal any scientific gains THEY get from it.  Just like they do to us. 

"F" (I mean "forget")  solar.  For God's sake why can't we use our oil, gas coal?
3321  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The United Nations/ US Sovereignty/International Law on: October 06, 2011, 05:31:20 PM
Yet Leon Panetta and other liberals have no problem lecturing Israeli leadership that they need to be more creative and open minded with *their* diplomacy and communication with the Arab countries.

Who the hell are these people to talk?

Like the rest of the world is not walking all over us with our great diplomacy?
3322  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: October 03, 2011, 06:38:30 PM
Crafty this verbiage from Panetta is very bad.  What the heck does he want Israelis to do?

A large portion of the Muslim world wants then dead or driven to the sea.

How does one communicate with people who think this? 

Does he give as examples US communication with Pakistan, with China, with Egypt, with Syria, with Saudi Arabia? 

He sounds like a condescending jerk.  "They need to do this they need to do that".  Thanks alot.

So he concludes it is Israel's fault they are getting more isolated.  He advocates more talks and more talks and more communication and more diplomacy.  We've been hearing this crap from the left for 40 years.  What is new since Brock is in is that now it is mostly the fault of the Jews.

I think he just cost the Brock man another 5 % or so of the Jewish vote.

Keep it up.  I am an American first but I am not going to sit quietly and watch my heritage get wiped out which is the road it is heading in.

3323  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / there he goes again! on: October 03, 2011, 04:16:01 PM
Wesbury did the same thing during the tech crash of 2000.  Talk up the economis numbers all the while tech stocks lost 90% of their value.   His synopses are concise with all sorts of data and stats and numbers.  With regards to the stock market these numbers are obviously worthless.   I don't know what to do with them or what purpose or good they serve.

Get twenty economists in a room and they will give different ideas about where the economy is going.

His numbers don't mean anything for stock investors from where I sit. 

3324  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: October 03, 2011, 09:46:55 AM
Doug says:

"The wife some say is sick of the routine, most recently sent strategically to shop at Target while tipping off AP cameramen is about as low as it gets."

yes, agreed, see my post on cognitive dissonance.

I don't think Brock will leave the 2012 race.  My belief is people give Brock too much credit for being rational and insightful.

He has a personality disorder.  He will continue to deny to the end IMHO.

I hope so too.  Let him take the progressive movement down with him and they all get trounced at the polls for a while till the Republicans screw it up and become corrupt so much that the pendulum swings back the other way at some point.
3325  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / First broad quietly shops at the ritzy places not target on: October 03, 2011, 09:42:37 AM
Please refer back to five posts ago by ccp.  The time has come for the politicians to stop staging and manipulating the media and us.

She is no more than the first broad.  No respect from me.

Obviously it was staged yet the lame stream media reports that the first broad "quietly" slipped out to Target to shop.
No more likely when she shops on Rodeo (sp?) Drive in LA, or Madison Ave in NYC she quietly slips out.
No end to the deceit from this WH:
***Figures. White House Tipped Off AP Reporter Ahead of Michelle Obama’s Target Photo-Op
Posted by Jim Hoft on Saturday, October 1, 2011, 11:35 PM
Another staged moment in the lives of Barack and Michelle Obama.
Michelle Obama just had to get out to Target to do a little shopping last week. But, before the shopping run the White House tipped off AP photographer Charles Dharapak so that he would be at the store to memorialize the moment.

Michelle Obama checks out at Target. That’s her assistant behind her carrying the bags. (AP)

At least she wore a shirt that is reportedly from Old Navy(?) and not a designer T-shirt like she wears out when she paints community centers.***

3326  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / The narcissist personality disorder full blown on: September 30, 2011, 04:24:13 PM
"I mean, there are a lot of things we can do," Obama said. "The way I think about it is, you know, this is a great, great country that had gotten a little soft and, you know, we didn't have that same competitive edge that we needed over the last couple of decades. We need to get back on track."

Recall I pointed out how a narcissistic personality disorder is totally incapable of accepting any blame, will twist all logic to blame everyone else, will never admit to anything, continue to lie and deceive and play the same con game till death do us part.

He blames the country on going soft.  He blames blacks for whining.  He blames the tea party.  The racists.  And so on.

What is totally mind boggling about his above statement that if one agrees the country has gone soft in the "last couple of decades" one can ask why that would be.  The answer is obvious.   What has happened in the last couple of decades?

Well remember we have had the great society, more welfare, more liberal benefits to government employees, the endless entitlement increases, the demographic wave of senior citizens reaching sit on their ass and collect time, more people letting the immigrants take many of the jobs they won't do.  It is all this entitled mentality which Brock himself has done more to promote and expand upon!

True to form a personality disorder is unable to be objective.  The fault is always someone or something else.
Unfortunately he brings all of us down in his delusional crazy thinking.

3327  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / first broad *quietly* shops on: September 30, 2011, 02:46:51 PM
What are we stupid?  The first broad "quietly" shops at Target.  It is so quiet the pictures get out all over the internet.  Check it out.  She shops at Target just like you and me.  She IS so down to Earth. rolleyes wink
3328  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Brock payoff to Pelosi family? on: September 28, 2011, 06:35:50 PM
I wonder if health food fanitic Brock likes Brockly...anyway -

Hat tip to Michael Savage radio today for this:

****Crony Socialism: Obama Gives $737 Million to Solar Firm Linked to the Pelosi Clan
Posted by Jim Hoft on Wednesday, September 28, 2011, 12:14 PM
It’s as if Solyndra never happened. The Obama Administration is giving $737 million to a Tonopah Solar, a subsidiary of California-based SolarReserve. PCG is an investment partner with SolarReserve. Nancy Pelosi’s brother-in-law happens to be the number two man at PCG.

Team Obama is spending $737 million to create 45 permanent jobs.
The Hill reported, via Free Republic:

The Energy Department announced Wednesday that is has finalized a $737 million loan guarantee for a Nevada solar project.

The decision comes several weeks after a California-based solar manufacturer that received a $535 million loan guarantee from the Obama administration in 2009 filed for bankruptcy and laid off 1,100 workers, setting off a firestorm in Washington.

The $737 million loan guarantee will help finance construction of the Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project, a 110-megawatt solar-power-generating facility in Nye County, Nev. The project is sponsored by Tonopah Solar, a subsidiary of California-based SolarReserve.

Crescent Dunes is the latest solar project to receive a loan guarantee from the Energy Department in recent weeks. The department announced a $1.2 billion loan guarantee to Abengoa Solar for a solar generation project in California and a $150 million loan guarantee to 1366 Technologies for a Massachusetts solar manufacturing project earlier this month.

The Energy Department says the project will result in 600 construction jobs and 45 permanent jobs.

It looks like Rep. Allen West was right.
Obama IS trying to destroy the economy.
3329  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / It mostly comes down to money on: September 27, 2011, 02:36:51 PM
"I don't think you get it; they hate us BECAUSE of our (Obama) support for Israel.  Not my words, but our Secretary of Defense, our Generals, et al....."

Well I have been wondering why so many UN nations feel it necessary to bash Israel.  The answer is probably quite simple.

Arab oil money being spread around.  Why else would so many of these countries always vote against Israel?  What the heck, do they care about Jews one way or another.  Or for that matter they love the Palestinians so much? undecided  It has nothing to do with either.  Saudis are spreading around the cash to these countries.  It is probably just that simple.

Just like Brock is all of a sudden selling Israel bunker busters.  He wants the stupid liberal American Jew's to keep sending him money and political support.

Maxine Waters has a point.  Probably the first and last time I will agree with her:
Brock takes the Black vote for granted.  He would never had said to the Jews, to the Latinos what he told the Black Caucus. 
3330  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: September 26, 2011, 04:46:38 PM
that "abolish the EPA" thing will kill it on the spot

Yes MSLSD has already showing us 1960s versions of multicolored chemically polluted rivers, dumps with thousands of barrels of chemicals, people dying in India from chemical disasters, dying animals in oil spills and claiming that Republicans want to go back to *this!* 
3331  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Cain on: September 26, 2011, 11:50:34 AM
Cain must have had a metastatic colon cancer lesion to the liver.  I believe it may be curable if that lobe of the liver is removed and the rest is surgically removed.  I'll have to run it by my oncology colleagues.
3332  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Great!LOL;eom on: September 26, 2011, 09:36:09 AM
3333  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Dershowitz is good on this subject on: September 25, 2011, 11:05:33 AM
Good article

"Imagine what the status of gays will be under Sharia law!"

That is a good idea fpr a new strategy.  Send the American gay infatada to the West bank and stir up trouble there.
3334  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Afpakia: Afghanistan-Pakistan on: September 25, 2011, 10:21:12 AM
Well we can't help those who are willing to die and have their entire country wiped out.

I still think we make it clear of dire consequences to even try.

I guess a dirty bomb could go off and we don't know who did it or the claimant is not technically a state sanctioned entity.

Do our enemies have the capability to cause an EMP that can knock out our military hardware?

3335  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: September 25, 2011, 10:13:51 AM
Does anyone here have the impression that at least some females who volunteer are looking for guys?

Or if lesbian just the opposite?

OTOH, I don't know any male volunteers who do so to find girls.
3336  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Gender, Gay, Lesbian on: September 25, 2011, 10:11:47 AM
"“He was stating an opinion. He has a right to do that. They punished him for it,” she said."

The same crowd that screams about first amendment rights (think Larry Flynt) are also the smae crowd who will turn around and add, "but it has to be PC correct speech"

There really is a "gay infatada" in this country.  I say leave gays alone but they got to start leaving the rest of us alone.
3337  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: September 25, 2011, 10:07:33 AM
The only ones holding Blacks back are Blacks.   Ironically Brock is doing more to hurt then to help them with expansion of government.  He is not empowering them in their minds.

Herman Cain knows it.  West knows it.  And more and more are finally realizing it.

The Indians have had no problem coming to the US and working their behinds off to be quite successful.

Does anyone think they were welcomed with open arms?

Does anyone remember the Spike Lee movie years ago which shows some middle age Blacks sitting and drinking beer all day looking at the Koreans accross the street running a successful business and one of them says to the other, something to the effect how come they come here and do well and we are just sitting here drinking beer and complianing.
3338  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Afpakia: Afghanistan-Pakistan on: September 24, 2011, 03:39:11 PM
"The point being the American people are understandably rather cynical on the competence of our leadership-- so suggesting we should go to war with Pakistan just when people saw the "Unsurge" winding things down is a tough sell.

And there is the little detail of what that war would look like and what it would lastingly accomplish-- not to mention the apparent looming bankruptcy of the USA."

Therefore, and I am not being facetious here, Huntsman may be correct in his conclusion.

I am all for that and yet...

Without bold military action further proliferation among the unstable Muslim world of nuclear weapons is inevitable.
This to me is the most haunting issue.   Off the top of my head history has repeatedly demonstrated that strength not appeasement or weakness is the best answer.

Even the cold war was decided by pursuing a level headed policy of strength and power and determination with a policy of mutually assured destruction.  Why not a clear cut policy of unilateral assured destruction of any Muslim state using any nuclear device?
3339  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Humor/WTF on: September 24, 2011, 02:24:53 PM
3340  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Immigration issues on: September 24, 2011, 02:08:58 PM
Noted from WSJ.

There appears to be a complete surrender from Republican "elites" on isues of illegals as well as the gay fatada.

I can understand Anderson Cooper whipping up every school age gay bully incident into a national level tragedy but I don't know why the republicans have mea culpad (if you will pardon the grammer) on these issues.

Like Mark Levin noted Perry is like the Bushes on illegals.  They sound like they are looking the other way completely and pursuing policies that simply encourage more to come and take advantage of our society.

I am not sure why.   I guess they fear the loss of the spanish vote?
3341  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Afpakia: Afghanistan-Pakistan on: September 24, 2011, 11:56:01 AM
The question is what to do about it.

Some suggest continue drone attacks and covert operations.  Half assed without any end.

Some ala Huntsman suggest retreat.  Probably better than half assed drones and covert shit.  Either take care of the problem properly and militarily or stop doing it with one buttock in and one buttock tied back.

Another is to start all out war using nucs to f* up their nuc capability. 

Teach them a lesson once and for all.  Sure it would cause generational hatred of the US but don't we have that anyway.

Doesn't history teach it is better to be feared and respected than loved?

That said it will never happen.
3342  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: September 24, 2011, 10:39:11 AM
Apparantly Mubarak was able to contain Jihadists before they got to Sinai.  The Egyptian military without his is not doing so.

A really bad sign.

I would agree with the opinion that Israel cannot allow Egyptian military demonstrating no commitment to Israel's security into Sinai.

No Jew should vote for Brock.  Yet most still will though it appears less than before.  Or at least stay home if not hold their nose and vote Republican.

3343  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Palin phenomenon on: September 24, 2011, 09:37:23 AM
"which I am guessing is big in the gay community"

Was that guy gay?

I think I did hear a comment about him bitching aboug her mother being anti-gay.

I think most of us are not interested in bothering gays and don't care what they do on their time.

But I am tired of their shoving their agenda down our throats.  I am not for gays adopting children.  I am not for state sponsered marriage.  I am not for an enitre division of the DOJ being set up for thier rights and of "hate crimes".

I know most Americans agree.  As for the APA claiming there is not pscyh disorder with it - it is clearly not a natural lifestyle and not meant to be - ever hear of procreation.  The mental health organizations are filled with gay activists and it is a poltical opinion not a medical one.  That said I otherwise do not want to bother them or interfere with their lives.  If they don't hurt anyone, then live and  let live like the old saying.

As for Sarah the hit job on her is done with astoundingly cruelty.  And all allegations.  Who knows if any of it true.  So many on the left hate her there would be no problem finding people to say anything.
3344  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Palin phenomenon on: September 23, 2011, 05:29:29 PM
What a terrible scene.

I wonder how the guy knew who she was.

I would never recognize her.

3345  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: September 23, 2011, 05:20:16 PM

Christie running? shocked

He was in my town recently doing a town hall mtg.

I could have stopped and gone in while driving by 2 minutes from my house.  cry

3346  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Side job for a Brock czar. on: September 23, 2011, 02:18:19 PM
Well coming from the Bamster who feels the DOJ should be expanding civil rights units (aka, get the hetero white men) I suppose this should be no surprise.  Like the DOJ shouldn't be doing far more urgent and important matters than going after school kid bullying.

So what in the world is this crap now?:

"Social Innovation and Civic Participation Council"

"The group leads a number of social justice global initiatives and espouses an ideology that government intervention is necessary to fix what it claims are various social and racial injustices that permeate U.S. society."

No, we don't have a communist in the white house cry

***New Obama czar moonlighting for whom?
Organization accuses U.S. of 'structural racism,' promotes government intervention
Posted: September 22, 2011
9:10 pm Eastern

By Aaron Klein
© 2011 WND
The newly appointed chief of President Obama's Social Innovation and Civic Participation Council doubles as the director of a social justice group funded by George Soros.

The organization, the Aspen Institute, works closely with Soros and even was reportedly used by the billionaire in a failed attempt to engineer the defeat of President Bush in the 2004 elections.

Jonathan Greenblatt was appointed the new head of Obama's Social Innovation Unit earlier this month.

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Greenblatt is the founder of a civic service company that works in partnership with Google and the Huffington Post. He has several ties to Google.

Greenblatt also serves as director of the Impact Economy Initiative at the Aspen Institute.

Aspen's mission statement says the nonprofit seeks "to foster values-based leadership, encourag[e] individuals to reflect on the ideals and ideas that define a good society, and ... provide a neutral and balanced venue for discussing and acting on critical issues."

The group leads a number of social justice global initiatives and espouses an ideology that government intervention is necessary to fix what it claims are various social and racial injustices that permeate U.S. society.

Aspen's website says the group is dedicated to repairing what it terms "structural racism."

The group contends that "public policies, institutional practices, cultural representations, and other norms work in various, often reinforcing ways to perpetuate racial group inequity in every key opportunity area, from health, to education, to employment, to income and wealth."

A member of Aspen's board is Henry Louis Gates Jr., a Harvard professor who sparked a national race controversy in July 2009 when Obama criticized local Cambridge police who had arrested Gates after a burglary had been reported on his property.

Aspen runs a program that provides training and seminars for federal judges.

'Clandestine' Soros summit

Soros has provided significant funding to the Aspen Institute. His Open Society Institute has provided more than $400,000 to the group since 2004.

The New Yorker magazine reported on a 2004 "clandestine summit meeting" that took place at the Aspen Institute.

"The participants, all Democrats, were sworn to secrecy," said the magazine, including Soros and four other billionaires who "shared a common goal: to use their fortunes to engineer the defeat of President George W. Bush in the 2004 election."

Soros himself spoke at numerous Aspen events, including a 2004 seminar entitled "America's Role in the Fight Against Global Poverty" that also featured Al Gore as a speaker.

Aspen hosted Soros in 2006 for a talk about his new book, "The Age of Fallibility: Consequences of the War on Terror."

Discover the Networks notes that Jim Spiegelman, Aspen's director of communications, formerly worked as a "special assistant" to Soros.

Also, Arjun Gupta, who serves on Aspen's board of overseers, is a vice president at the Chatterjee Group, which advises the Soros Fund Management Group.

Meanwhile, Greenblatt is the founder and president of All for Good, an open source, Web-based initiative that says it seeks to engage more Americans in service. It is the largest database of volunteer listings ever compiled and provides content to a wide range of government, nonprofit and personal websites.

Greenblatt has stated he was inspired to found All for Good in December 2008 by Obama's call for more participatory civic service.

Greenblatt formerly served on the Technology and Innovation working group of the Obama-Biden Presidential Transition team.

All for Good was built by a group of volunteers from Google, the Craigslist Foundation and other organizations, reportedly with input from Arianna Huffington. The group currently maintains strategic partnerships with Google and the Huffington Post.

With additional research by Chris Elliott.***
3347  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: September 23, 2011, 01:19:14 PM
I watched part of it.  Perry was not articulate or polished.  Newt and Cain sounded good.  Huntsman and Santorum not too bad.  Bachman pretty good.  Paul is Paul.  At this point I would have to go with Romney.  I hope Perry can polish up.  I still like Newt but it seems he has no chance.  I agree with Crafty he also does not seem to be really involved - goes to Hawaii when he should be out campaigning?  I generally like Santorum's views but for some reason, I am not clear why, he turns a lot of people off - at least the beltway elite.   I thought it interesting Meghan Kelly wore a dress that was even brighter red than Bachman.  What is she running for? wink

***(ORLANDO, Fla.) -- This was not a good debate for Rick Perry.  But it also wasn’t a slam-dunk win for Mitt Romney either.
The two frontrunners have been on the same debate stage three times now. And here’s what we’ve learned.
Mitt Romney is very good at debating. He’s comfortable. He’s pithy. He’s confident.
Rick Perry is not a good debater.
Or maybe he’s just not practiced enough (remember, before these three debates, he’d only participated in five debates in Texas). Whatever it is, he has yet to find his footing. Even after three debates, Perry has yet to find a coherent response to the attacks he knows are coming: most obviously his past statements on Social Security. And, he stumbled badly on a question he wasn’t expecting -- but probably should have: what to do when that 3 a.m. call comes with an international crisis.

At the spin room after the debate, Romney campaign strategist Eric Fehrnstom called the Texas governor’s response to a question about what to do if he was told that Pakistan had lost control of its nuclear weapons at the hands of the Taliban “completely unintelligible.” Perry’s answer to the question started with “obviously before you get to that point you have to build a relationship in that area” -- a big no-no for someone looking to be commander-in-chief -- and ended with talk about selling India “upgraded F-16s.”
He even whiffed on what should have been a home run -- calling out Romney as a flip-flopper. He rambled and stumbled and ultimately lost any chance he had to get in a clean swipe. As with his previous debates, Perry seems to run out of steam about 45 minutes into the night.
Even so, the Perry team can console themselves with this: there’s no correlation between being a strong debater and winning the nomination. That and the fact that very few voters are actually tuning into these early back and forth between these candidates.
Moreover, Romney looked stronger because Perry tripped over his own feet, not because Romney pushed him.   
This goes back to Romney’s fundamental problem: Can he only win if Perry loses it?
As a relatively unknown candidate, Perry does have to worry  that these debates are going to start to define him in the exact opposite way than he is trying to portray himself.
In real life, Perry projects a swagger and a confidence. On stage, he looks unsure and small. 
These debates take on a huge level of importance now, in part because there’s nothing else really going on. As the year goes forward, outside groups are going to start spending money on ads, candidates will be sending out mailers, and world events will affect the debate in ways that we can’t predict.

Copyright 2011 ABC News Radio****
3348  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: September 23, 2011, 09:39:15 AM
Brock is giftwrapping 2012 for the Repubs.
Thank God he didn't pull one of the phoney triangulation schemes ala the BS artist extraordinaire Clinton.  He would have had a shot at 2012. 

3349  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Clinton - working on his legacy or campaigning for Hill in 2016? on: September 23, 2011, 09:21:41 AM
""[Palestinian leaders] have explicitly said on more than one occasion that if [Netanyahu] put up the deal that was offered to them before -- my deal -- that they would take it," Clinton said, referring to the 2000 Camp David deal that Yasser Arafat rejected."

As usual Clinton flatters himself.   If only not for Netanyahu peace on Clinton's terms would have been accepted.  He totally ignores the rise of Hamas and Hezbelloh since the BJ in chief king was in office.  I will listen to Aaron Klein this Sunday as he might weigh in on this:

***Bill Clinton: Netanyahu killed the peace process
Posted By Josh Rogin  Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 2:22 PM   Share

Who's to blame for the continued failure of the Middle East peace process? Former President Bill Clinton said today that it is Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu -- whose government moved the goalposts upon taking power, and whose rise represents a key reason there has been no Israeli-Palestinian peace deal.

Clinton, in a roundtable with bloggers today on the sidelines of the Clinton Global Initiative in New York, gave an extensive recounting of the deterioration in the Middle East peace process since he pressed both parties to agree to a final settlement at Camp David in 2000. He said there are two main reasons for the lack of a comprehensive peace today: the reluctance of the Netanyahu administration to accept the terms of the Camp David deal and a demographic shift in Israel that is making the Israeli public less amenable to peace.

"The two great tragedies in modern Middle Eastern politics, which make you wonder if God wants Middle East peace or not, were [Yitzhak] Rabin's assassination and [Ariel] Sharon's stroke," Clinton said.

Sharon had decided he needed to build a new centrist coalition, so he created the Kadima party and gained the support of leaders like Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert. He was working toward a consensus for a peace deal before he fell ill, Clinton said. But that effort was scuttled when the Likud party returned to power.

"The Israelis always wanted two things that once it turned out they had, it didn't seem so appealing to Mr. Netanyahu. They wanted to believe they had a partner for peace in a Palestinian government, and there's no question -- and the Netanyahu government has said -- that this is the finest Palestinian government they've ever had in the West Bank," Clinton said.

"[Palestinian leaders] have explicitly said on more than one occasion that if [Netanyahu] put up the deal that was offered to them before -- my deal -- that they would take it," Clinton said, referring to the 2000 Camp David deal that Yasser Arafat rejected.

But the Israeli government has drifted a long way from the Ehud Barak-led government that came so close to peace in 2000, Clinton said, and any new negotiations with the Netanyahu government are now on starkly different terms -- terms that the Palestinians are unlikely to accept.

"For reasons that even after all these years I still don't know for sure, Arafat turned down the deal I put together that Barak accepted," he said. "But they also had an Israeli government that was willing to give them East Jerusalem as the capital of the new state of Palestine."

Israel also wants a normalization of relations with its Arab neighbors to accompany a peace deal. Clinton said that the Saudi-inspired Arab Peace Initiative put forth in 2002 represented an answer to that Israeli demand.

"The King of Saudi Arabia started lining up all the Arab countries to say to the Israelis, ‘if you work it out with the Palestinians ... we will give you immediately not only recognition but a political, economic, and security partnership,'" Clinton said. "This is huge.... It's a heck of a deal."

The Netanyahu government has received all of the assurances previous Israeli governments said they wanted but now won't accept those terms to make peace, Clinton said.

"Now that they have those things, they don't seem so important to this current Israeli government, partly because it's a different country," said Clinton. "In the interim, you've had all these immigrants coming in from the former Soviet Union, and they have no history in Israel proper, so the traditional claims of the Palestinians have less weight with them."

Clinton then repeated his assertions made at last year's conference that Israeli society can be divided into demographic groups that have various levels of enthusiasm for making peace.

"The most pro-peace Israelis are the Arabs; second the Sabras, the Jewish Israelis that were born there; third, the Ashkenazi of long-standing, the European Jews who came there around the time of Israel's founding," Clinton said. "The most anti-peace are the ultra-religious, who believe they're supposed to keep Judea and Samaria, and the settler groups, and what you might call the territorialists, the people who just showed up lately and they're not encumbered by the historical record."

Clinton affirmed that the United States should veto the Palestinian resolution at the U.N. Security Council for member-state status, because the Israelis need security guarantees before agreeing to the creation of a Palestinian state. But the Netanyahu government has moved away from the consensus for peace, making a final status agreement more difficult, Clinton said.

"That's what happened. Every American needs to know this. That's how we got to where we are," Clinton said. "The real cynics believe that the Netanyahu's government's continued call for negotiations over borders and such means that he's just not going to give up the West Bank."***

3350  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Unions on: September 22, 2011, 06:28:16 PM
Not to mention abuse of overtime, false claims of disability, paid sick time for things like diarrhia, fatigue, anxiety, and more.  I've seen it all.
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