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3601  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: April 24, 2012, 12:12:22 PM
"Too bad that with either Hillary or Biden that they are not grooming any new leaders with more traditional  Dem values for the future."

Andrew Cuomo is next in line I think.

He would win before the Biden clown.
3602  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Hillbillary Clintons long, sordid, and often criminal history on: April 24, 2012, 10:56:39 AM
"She and P. were laughing and joking with each other a lot.  It seemed like their personal comfort level was very high."

Well Leon is a Clinton lover from the 90's.  He was WH chief of staff for the Bill.

They covered up a lot together. 
3603  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / We've won, the war on terror is over on: April 24, 2012, 10:55:05 AM
I don't know if this is official policy but this thinking strikes me as the most fuddled, mixed up, unclear, mixed message foreign policy thinking I have ever seen:

Blog'The War on Terror Is Over'
9:29 PM, Apr 23, 2012 • By DANIEL HALPER

    In the wake of the Arab Spring, the Obama administration is grappling with how to handle Islamists, radical adherents to Islam. Particularly, the issue has come to the fore in regards to Egypt, which, as Reuel Marc Gerecht notes, "is now certain" to elect "an Islamist" as its leaders the next time the Egyptian people go to the polls.

But some in the Obama administration are now seeing things differently.

"The war on terror is over," a senior official in the State Department official tells the National Journal. "Now that we have killed most of al Qaida, now that people have come to see legitimate means of expression, people who once might have gone into al Qaida see an opportunity for a legitimate Islamism."

This new outlook has, in the words of the National Journal, come from a belief among administration officials that "It is no longer the case, in other words, that every Islamist is seen as a potential accessory to terrorists."

The National Journal explains:

The new approach is made possible by the double impact of the Arab Spring, which supplies a new means of empowerment to young Arabs other than violent jihad, and Obama's savagely successful military drone campaign against the worst of the violent jihadists, al Qaida.

For the president himself, this new thinking comes from a "realiz[ation that] he has no choice but to cultivate the Muslim Brotherhood and other relatively 'moderate' Islamist groups emerging as lead political players out of the Arab Spring in Egypt, Tunisia and elsewhere."

This new outlook is radically different than what was expressed under President George W. Bush immediately after September 11, 2001. "Over time it's going to be important for nations to know they will be held accountable for inactivity," Bush said on November 6, 2001. "You're either with us or against us in the fight against terror."

For President Barack Obama, it would seem, one can be both with us and against us--or not with us, but not quite against us.
   © Copyright 2012 The Weekly Standard LLC - A Weekly Conservative Magazine & Blog. All Rights Reserved.

3604  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Women love the Hill on: April 24, 2012, 10:40:14 AM
Crafty wrote on the "Glibness" thread:

"I saw an extended interview by Wolf Blitzer on CNN with Hillary and Leon Panetta while I was in Munich.  A real soft interview of course, but I must say that Hillary is seeming warmer, more human, and more likable recently.  She and P. were laughing and joking with each other a lot.  It seemed like their personal comfort level was very high.  Not saming I'm buying it, but what with pictures of her drinking beer, partying, and other things, on top of a lot of people thinking she has been well seasoned by her stint as SecState,  I do think that she would make a formidable addition to Baraq's chances.  A lot of women would see her as being a shoo-in for 2016 after VPing for 2012-2016."

That does appear to be the plan.

There is no question we are not done with the Clintons.

There is a whole industry built around them ready to pounce her into office.

JDN will post, of course, that that would be wonderful later in this thread.

Rachel who has not come back onto the board because she took the BCP flap "personally" would of course be a Hilllary champion.

Even my sister a republican recently told me she has bought the Koolaid by telling me she thinks the Hill is doing a good job.

As men, we must not underestimate the anger women have for men.

*Honesty* does not it seem have much relevance when dealing with societal segments who identify with particular candidates.
3605  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: April 24, 2012, 09:35:58 AM
"the powers of the party will put Hillary on the ballot"

There is already promotional talk of a Hillary VP slot *with* Brockman.

Of course that would in *their* minds be "formidable".

They do fit together - two of the most corrupt pols we have ever seen.

3606  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / OTOH on: April 23, 2012, 02:45:47 PM
Evidence of fraud debunked???  Or is this bunk?
3607  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: April 23, 2012, 02:15:42 PM
I really don't see how this is NOT an impeachable offense.   To offer a fraudualant document as valid identification on the WH website to the entire world is frankly worse than the cover up of a break in (by Nixon) in my opinion.

Is the media picking up on this at all other than some talk radio?

3608  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Mort Zuckerman - Obama policies have failed on: April 21, 2012, 12:39:04 PM
One liberal who is honest and makes sense:
3609  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Remember those days growing up with oreos? on: April 21, 2012, 12:27:30 PM
This was on OReilly last night too.  I think it is pretty funny, but of course there is always someone who has to be offended:
3610  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Anti-semitism & Jews on: April 21, 2012, 11:27:04 AM
"but it helps to explain why mainstream Democrats have quietly dropped the “Occupy” crowd like a hot potato"

I haven't heard this before.  Why in the world Jewish Dems at least would not drop Obama the same way is beyond me.
But then again as noted multiple times their support of the Dem party is also based on warped logic.
3611  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Disability enrollments keep rising on: April 20, 2012, 11:47:35 AM
Finallly some numbers to prove what I have been saying all along.   Jobless claims would be worse if not for all these people taking the quick way out.   I believe probably half of all disability and workers comp is fraud or exagerated:
3612  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Dead humans held up like trophies? on: April 18, 2012, 11:55:33 AM
The news of American soldiers "posing" with dead enemy.   I don't get it.  I really don't recall ever seeing anything like this from WW1,  WW2, or Korean wars.   I don't recall any WW2 photos of US troops "posed" in a way humiliating or showing off prisoners dead or alive like trophies.  Am I missing something here?  Is it just because everyone carries cameras now?,0,5032601.story
3613  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: April 18, 2012, 11:42:29 AM
GM wirtes:

"So far, his team has been spot on."

Someone(s) on the right did great with this:

I loved the recent news about OBama paying less than HIS secretary on taxes!  It goes along with the proper theme of total tax reform not just taxing the rich (which the bamster does not qualify beause he makes only 3/4 of a mill), and he is a total hypocrit (as are many crats).

3614  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / prostate cancer on: April 18, 2012, 11:36:50 AM
Well the news of Ryan O'Neill and Buffett shows the confilicting facts about prostate cancer>  One guy is youngish and has advanced incurable prostate cancer and may well die of it and the other sounds like he is one of those old guys that happens to have it, and from the way it sounds, will die of something else.  I read recently 50% of men over 50 could have cancer in their gland and 75% over 80 do.  This source is giving lower numbers (over 50% over age 80).

Recently we are told not to do PSA screening as it may be causing more harm than good as a screening test.  Yet it sounds like Buffett probably had one done.   "Stage 1" is reported.  Yet the statistics would suggest that it is far more likely the finding in him, at that age, is incidental and not related to anything else.  Yet one wonders if O'Neill was getting the screening tests.  Based on the recent "evidence" (which could change next year) probably O'Neill would not even benefitted from the test even if he did have it.
3615  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: April 18, 2012, 11:14:59 AM
If true, there is no way conservative talk radio, Hannity, Brietbart, etc will let this slide like the MSM and Karl Rove and "Bush" Republicans will.
3616  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Hillbillary Clintons long, sordid, and often criminal history on: April 17, 2012, 01:54:10 PM
"sociopathic liar"

But this is ok.

She can boogy, belt down a beer, text, tweet and she is just one KOOOL cat.

Is this for the "youth"  (synonomous with fool) vote?
3617  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Is corruption rampant? It starts from the top on: April 17, 2012, 01:50:33 PM
I don't recall if Greta or Shawn played this last night.  But head of GSA explaining that officials got bonuses because they were "entitled".  This kind of corruption starts right at the top.  We have the first guy in the WH whose modus operondi (sp?) is that total government control and power is good.   He leads by example.  Obama has a revolving door of money.  "Punish your enemies" and "reward your friends".   My God can any corrupt official be more explicit than this.  HE is out of control and no suprise we are seeing more at lower levels.
3618  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Pat Kennedy says the obvious on: April 17, 2012, 01:04:06 PM
This is a remarkable admission by an ex congressman.  Perhaps it is just perception or the media but it does seem like this President is the most corrupt in my memory:

****Former Dem. Congressman Kennedy Alleges 'Quid Pro Quo' for Access to White House
8:42 AM, Apr 15, 2012 • By DANIEL HALPERS

    Access to the Obama White House is in direct correlation to the amount of money donated to the president's reelection effort and the Democratic party, the New York Times reports today.

The Times reports: "those who donated the most to Mr. Obama and the Democratic Party since he started running for president were far more likely to visit the White House than others. Among donors who gave $30,000 or less, about 20 percent visited the White House, according to a New York Times analysis that matched names in the visitor logs with donor records. But among those who donated $100,000 or more, the figure rises to about 75 percent. Approximately two-thirds of the president’s top fund-raisers in the 2008 campaign visited the White House at least once, some of them numerous times."

But the most explosive allegation in the news story comes from former Democratic congressman Patrick Kennedy, son of the late Ted Kenney, who calls what the Obama White House is doing "quid pro quo."

Patrick J. Kennedy, the former representative from Rhode Island, who donated $35,800 to an Obama re-election fund last fall while seeking administration support for a nonprofit venture, said contributions were simply a part of “how this business works.”

“If you want to call it ‘quid pro quo,’ fine,” he said. “At the end of the day, I want to make sure I do my part.”
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Mr. Kennedy visited the White House several times to win support for One Mind for Research, his initiative to help develop new treatments for brain disorders. While his family name and connections are clearly influential, he said, he knows White House officials are busy. And as a former chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, he said he was keenly aware of the political realities they face.

And Kennedy admits that folks in the White House are checking out the donor records:

“I know that they look at the reports,” he said, referring to records of campaign donations. “They’re my friends anyway, but it won’t hurt when I ask them for a favor if they don’t see me as a slouch.”

Translated, "quid pro quo" means "this for that." As in, if you want this from the Obama White House, then give that (e.g., cash).****
3619  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Hillbillary Clintons long, sordid, and often criminal history on: April 17, 2012, 12:49:59 PM
"I'm not sure I would vote for someone age 69 unless they had a very
qualified VP and was much younger.  That was my problem with McCain."

I will believe this when you tell me in '16 and she runs for office that you won't vote for her due to her advanced age.
3620  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Great One: "the tides of war are receeding" on: April 17, 2012, 11:28:32 AM
Like I said the self proclaimed sage of the age will EAT those words!:
3621  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Hillbillary Clintons long, sordid, and often criminal history on: April 17, 2012, 11:24:01 AM
"Frankly, I wish she was President today.  She is a very capable woman."

Of course you do and of course this is your response.  She will run 2016 and you may have your wish.
3622  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Hillbillary Clintons long, sordid, and often criminal history on: April 17, 2012, 09:43:09 AM
Anyone else notice the Hillary charm attacks in the MSM lately?

See Hillary use electronic devices and use the wireless lingo.
See Hillary kicking up her heals and drinking beer in Columbia.

She certainly has the Machine still pushing her for 2016.

I guess that's how they all keep power and make money.
3623  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: April 15, 2012, 11:12:10 AM
Doug, The dems know their only hope is to keep up the divide and conquer strategy (of Americans); into classes, races, ethnicities, sexes, sexual orientation, taxpayers and nontaxpayers.

Barring three things:

Some unforsefeen event
Romney screws up in some big way
Just enough of the electorate can be bribed with taxpayer money

I agree with Dick Moirris - this election will not be close. 
3624  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: April 15, 2012, 11:08:10 AM
"my entire career has been a testimony to American exceptionalism"  !!!!!

Not accurate.  His entire career is boasting about his OWN exceptionalism while at the same time bashing America.
"they cling to their guns their religion"
"social Darwism"
sat  voluntarily listening to "God damn America" for decades.
His wife, "i am ashamed of America".  (until now she is rich and famour and a celebrity)

A class act he is not.
3625  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: April 11, 2012, 11:46:08 AM
Removing those settlements "100 or so" won't change a thing.  It is all a ruse to continue bashing the Israelis.
No one who is serious can believe that if these settlers squaters "illegal" intruders or whatever anyone wants to call them, leave, then Iran/hezbellah and much of Hamas, and  Muslim Brotherhood will give up their intention to wipe the Jews off the map.

And Doug is right.  All that is ignored and many including you harp on a few thousand settlers.

Obama and his Black Muslim and other Jewish hating friends agree with you.

The American liberal Jews who support him are more interested in the Democrat party than the survival of Israel in my opinion.

Apparantly many American Jews do not believe in the concept of a Jewish state.

I rarely see any of them calling for abolishment of Muslim countries.
3626  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / UN human rights: comment on Trayvon on: April 10, 2012, 05:01:09 PM
Another UN example of US bashing:

UN Human Rights Chief Calls For Trayvon Investigation
   100 2 929

   by William Bigelow
UN Human Rights chief Navi Pillay has called for an "immediate investigation" into the death of Trayvon Martin.   

Leaving aside the matter of the despicable record of the UN on human rights, what kind of record does Pillay herself have on human rights, and does she have any moral leg to stand on when interfering in the domestic affaris of the United States?  According to Freedom House, between September 2008, when she became the Human Rights Chief, and June 2010, Pillay made no comment whatsoever on the victims in 34 countries rated “Not Free.”  Some of the countries not criticized were: Algeria, Angola, Bahrain, Belarus, Cuba, North Korea, Rwanda, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria and Vietnam.

When Iranian demonstrators were abused violently by the Iranian government’s forces following the June 2009 presidential elections, Pillay refrained for three months from commenting even though video existed of demonstrators being killed; she only mentioned the matter as part of her traditional opening speech at the UN Human  Rights Council session in September 2009. She did not give any statement dealing directly with the matter.  And when she did speak, it was only in an  “unprecedented effort to engage” with the Muslim world. While she did raise some human rights concerns, she praised Iran’s progress instead of naming violence that had been recorded or current violations.

The pattern of do-nothingness continued. In July 2010, two renowned human rights lawyers, Haytham al-Maleh and Muhanad al-Hasani were jailed for criticizing the Syrian authorities on human rights grounds. In March 2010, the Syrian military detained Kurdish leader Abdel Hafez Abdel and journalists, bloggers and writers for exposing Syria’s corruption. But Pillay did not respond at all. In addition, Pillay was a staunch defender of the falsified Goldstone Report which ripped Israel and also questioned whether the United States had the legal right to kill Osama Bin Laden.

In 2011, the United States, Canada, Israel, the Czech Republic, Italy and the Netherlands announced a boycott of Durban III, the UN meeting to commemorate the 10th anniversary of the first Durban conference, where Israel was targeted for vilification. Pillay tried to block further countries boycotting the event, and claimed that the boycotts were a “political distraction.”

Of the Trayvon Martin case, Pillay said, “I will be awaiting an investigation and prosecution and trial and of course reparations for the victims concerned.”

Perhaps Martin’s family deserves reparations. But it’s none of her damn business either way -- at least based on her record.

3627  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Malkin on Santorum on: April 10, 2012, 04:27:29 PM
He did his best.  He bows out with style:

Lead StorySantorum suspends campaign, but “we are not done fighting” to defeat Obama
By Michelle Malkin  •  April 10, 2012 02:01 PM

Rick Santorum fought hard, he fought well, and he gave voice to a large contingent of grass-roots conservative activists across the country who wanted a candidate who lived the values he preached. He held Mitt Romney’s feet to the fire on health care, challenged Newt Gingrich’s green flirtations and past support for the individual mandate, and took on Ron Paul’s foreign policy extremism. His presence improved everyone else’s game — and that will serve the GOP ticket well this fall, whoever ends up on it.

Thankfully, Sen. Santorum’s daughter Bella has been released from the hospital after being admitted this weekend.

Thanks and prayers to Santorum and his family for their energy and passion and dedication to defending life, prosperity, and the American Dream. With a fraction of the money and air time, Santorum came from nowhere to become the most formidable challenger to Mitt Romney through hard work and faith.

Will update after press conference.


Update: Santorum addresses press in Gettysburg with wife Karen and children beside/behind him.

Bella is a “fighter,” “doing exceptionally well.” Weekend was difficult time, time for re-thinking. Recounts decision to enter the race, telling his story of the American Dream, meeting voters and hearing their stories, acknowledging volunteers, families with special needs.

Santorum talks about good times of campaign — sweater vest phenom on Twitter, visiting Minn. manufacturing plant, supporter in pick-up truck, girls who made “Game On” music video.

Miracle after miracle, this campaign was as improbable as any. This wasn’t about my voice. It was about your voices…reflecting hopes of Americans, not just fears.

“Against all odds, we won 11 states, millions of votes…wonderful people of this country who care deeply.”

Campaign is suspended, but “we are not done fighting” for our country…and will defeat Barack Obama, win on Capitol Hill.

~ For the latest breaking news, be sure to join Michelle's e-mail list ~
3628  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Wright: Obama heard his words on: April 10, 2012, 03:05:38 PM
Yet Brock calls Republicans/teaparty affilitates "radicals".  I don't look forward to the next several months of this:
3629  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Tea Party, Glen Beck and related matters on: April 10, 2012, 02:31:49 PM
" I’m tired … of a certain section of people acting like they have having a monopoly on patriotism. They don’t. … And so now I’m saying, ‘two can play that game if you want to.’”

Oh yes.  Van Jones loves America.  The second part is basically what him and friend Brock are doing - spinning all the criticisms of them back to the Republicans.  Like for example when Brock is called radical he simply calls the right radical.  Like when he is called a socialist he calls the right socialist or with a new twist, social darwinists.

The Prez has led us down a road of child like tit for tat.

I am not sure if any President has ever divided Americans into different groups the way this guy has.

Lincoln tried to keep us together not the other way around.

Limbaugh asks why he is such an angry Black man.  He says his mother was white, his father was African (not a slave dependent).  He himself has done quite wel with lots of help from whites.  I think this is the wrong question. But it is obvious he has chosen this route.  It is not just politics or contrived.  He is angry.  Always has been.

I don't think one can separate Jones from Brock.  Once Brock is out of office hopefully Jones will fade.
3630  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Lecturer in chief gets a lecture on: April 10, 2012, 12:31:26 PM
3631  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Politics of Health Care on: April 10, 2012, 11:32:52 AM
You will NEVER see any "quality" measures come out of ivy academia for a result such as you describe.

Such superb world class orthopedic care does not show up on any Harvard outcomes study.

We are lumped together into population studies and statistical measures.

3632  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Tax Policy on: April 10, 2012, 10:43:08 AM
One opinion on bankruptcy and IRS debts:

I wonder if this person had a problem with the progressive tax code when she was making a social workers salary?

In the meantime 139K of gov. student loans are otherwise forgiven.  Still not too bad.
3633  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left on: April 09, 2012, 04:59:59 PM
"they scapegoated a single unnamed producer, firing him late on the Friday before Easter/Passover weekend so no one would notice."

How do we know THIS is true?
3634  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Politics of Health Care on: April 09, 2012, 01:24:02 PM
"78 he was too old to treat"

Ironic as I don't even think 78 is that old at all anymore.

Indeed this is roughly the average lifes span for a man in the US now.
3635  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Tax Policy on: April 08, 2012, 12:04:12 PM
"I am not without a goodly amount of sympathy for this particular woman."

Well she got a loan debt written off.   The issue is not lets just talk about writing off her tax burden too and narrow the focus to this particular sob story.  The focus should be that the tax laws are totally crazy in this country, unfair, and without any limit.

To me taxes are a Democrat party extortion scheme.
3636  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / tax break of disabled student on her student loans on: April 07, 2012, 11:04:16 AM
The whole theme of this liberal story is the poor disabled student whose loans are considered income and now she owes taxes on them.  He loans should be forgiven and of course her taxes too.  NO mention of tax reform.   No discussion of the burden on the rest of us who are paying taxes (up the ass);  just another "F" liberal  MSM sob story:

Bottom line make the "rich" pay up.
3637  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / The left misusing the phrase civil disobedience on: April 07, 2012, 10:57:21 AM
They never stop distorting and spinning.

I watched for a few minutes Chris Hayes leftist propaganda show this AM and the topic is civil disobedience.  Now I am thinking what in the world is a liberal propaganda show speaking of civil disobedincen the left is all ABOUT huge government control over every aspect of our lives and promting class warfare and redistribution of wealth.   JUST THE OPPOSITE of what "civil disobedience" is all about!

So I note they are referring to climate change.  Again they have that loon Van Jones on who is all over the talk show circuit promoting the left agenda:
3638  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Politics of Health Care on: April 05, 2012, 09:01:05 AM
"I’ve been growing weary of hearing people mention that he’s a “constitutional scholar,” since he never published a single thing on the subject either as editor of the Harvard Law Review or as a member of the faculty at the University of Chicago Law School.  But hey—he taught constitutional law, didn’t he?"

Excellent point.   I remember at least one faculty colleague of Brock in Chicago state on the Marc Levin show how he never knew Brock show any real interest in Constitutional law.

On Fox they had a former student of Brock come on the show and state how he was literally shocked by Brock's essentially a threat to the Supreme Court concerning their review of the Health Care law and that if they vote against that he will do everything he can to undermine their legitimacy and integrity and paint them as "activist" etc.  He said this was unprecedented and Obama clearly knows this.   What he was not asked was what he thought of Brock as a Consititutional Law professor.  I was hoping they would ask him this.

The evidence I read is the whole "professor thing" was more of a way station while he was honing his political connections.

3639  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: April 05, 2012, 08:53:28 AM
Anyone else notice the Democratic party reframing all Republican themes and spinning it the other way around:

1)  Republicans are calling Obama a radical :  The crats are calling Repubs the radicals.

2)  Obama calling the Court "activist".

3)  Obama spinning the "socialist" label given to him by calling Repubs social "Darwinians".

4)  Republicans calling for limited government switched to essentially no government.

To me the social Darwinian comment is by far the biggest tipoff.   Basically he is saying that "free market", "competition", "capitalism", is "radical" and social government manipulation and regulation is mainstream.

Obama clearly has is backwards but until Romney can better enunciate hwo this is wrong and how this is exactly the opposite as to what made this country great the crats are very adept at bribing voters with taxpayer money.

*If* it is tru that female voters (surely mostly single mothers) are willing to throw the American ideals into the garbage heap of history for their little pet gov. programs than I guess the game is over.
3640  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: April 03, 2012, 02:21:54 PM
Even THIS line comes out wrong cry cry cry cry
3641  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: April 03, 2012, 01:28:44 PM
Here it is..... Well it is kind of a double entendre......Even this from the Romney's.... has a double meaning shocked

ALBANY — Republican front-runner Mitt Romney just needs to unzip and show the world he’s not that stiff.

That’s the word from his wife, Ann Romney, who defended her husband Monday against criticisms that he’s too rigid - as in humorless.

“Well, you know, I guess we better unzip him and let the real Mitt Romney out because he is not,” Ann Romney said in an interview with a Baltimore radio station.

Read more:
3642  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: April 03, 2012, 01:25:21 PM
"bad news for Mr. Romney is that his inability to generate much excitement among women"

Didn't Mrs. Romney say something to the effect that she is going to "unzip" Mitt?
3643  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Savage on: April 03, 2012, 10:45:35 AM
I actually like his radio show better than Levin's.   At least drudge gives him some airtime while Fox bans him.  He calls O'Reilly the "lephrechan".  I happen to like OReilly too.

Thank God the congress and the senate are likely to be repubs.  If Obama wins again, which I doubt, at least he can be countered.

I could not imagine Obama unleashed for a second term.
3644  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: April 03, 2012, 10:22:12 AM
At least a good part of it is the single mother crowd.  They want the government to be the sugar daddy.
Dead beat dads don't help.

The degeneration of the family nucleus.

We can thank the liberals for this.
3645  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Khairat al-Shater on: April 02, 2012, 12:29:44 PM
Muslim Brotherhoods pick for President - spent years in jail under Mubarak.   Not "particularly fond" of Israel but appears to support trade and the Camp David accords and may be less anti Israel than other potential Brotherhood party members:

****Zvi Bar'el / In Egypt, Muslim Brotherhood does not necessarily spell family
The Brotherhood's decision to name a presidential candidate is causing panic in the movement and throughout Egypt, but the military and the secular public have not yet had the final word.
By Zvi Bar'el
Tags: Egypt Muslim Brotherhood

  Get Haaretz on iPhone Get Haaretz on Android The Muslim Brotherhood‘s decision to field Khairat al-Shater as a candidate for Egypt’s presidency has stirred panic not only throughout Israel, but throughout Egypt as well, and even within the Muslim Brotherhood itself.

Supposedly, the Muslim Brotherhood’s goal is to seize control of every outlet of the Egyptian government, from the parliament - in which the Brotherhood won forty seven percent of seats - to the constitutional drafting committee, which has a majority of religious members. Now, the actual presidency is in the Brotherhood's sights.

  Khairat al-Shater, the Muslim Brotherhood's third-highest ranking member in Cairo, February 28, 2007.
Photo by: Reuters 

Nevertheless, the decision to field a presidential candidate should not worry Israel as much as the Muslim Brotherhood‘s resounding victory in the elections should .It is still widely unknown what kind, and how much authority the president elect will have, as the constitution has yet to be drafted - a process which will no doubt cause even more political in-fighting.

However, even if a new president is granted a wide range of powers, (which would still be far less than those bestowed on former president Hosni Mubarak,) the Egyptian parliament already holds vast powers in terms of determining both domestic and foreign policy – powers that any president, whether or not he hails from the ranks of the Muslim Brotherhood – will have to reckon with. For example, should the Egyptian parliament wish to alter, or even cancel the Camp David agreements with Israel, it could do so even without a Brotherhood president.

Senior representatives of the Brotherhood, especially Khairat al-Shater, have made it clear that they are obligated to uphold the Camp David Accords, as well as every other agreement Egypt has made with foreign powers, including the agreements to sell oil and natural gas to Israel.

Al-Shater, a millionaire and successful businessman, has many talks with high-ranking U.S. officials under his belt, including talks with U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, from whom he requested economic aid. Al-Shater, like his fellow Brotherhood leaders, is not particularly fond of Israel, but it is likely that his disdain for Israel is not as intense as that of Amr Moussa, former Arab League Secretary General, or any of the other 200-plus presidential candidates.

It is important to remember that in fact, veteran left-wingers led the criticism of Anwar Sadat’s signing the peace agreement, and secular intellectuals, journalists, actors, and lawyers were those who cemented the real foundation of the boycott of Israel.

Al-Shater’s stance illustrates the difficulties a religious party faces in trying to adopt an unbiased ideology. This is not surprising. The Brotherhood has influenced and intervened in Egyptian politics since its inception in 1928, and it cannot step aside and let others take away its political achievements. Since its activities were outlawed in 1954, the Brotherhood has not ceased its nationwide spread. The Brotherhood’s most impressive political victory came in 2005, under Mubarak, when the Brotherhood was able to win 88 seats in parliament. Throughout the years, the Brotherhood has been able to neutralize criticism for participating in politics, neglecting the Islamist vision - the ideal of creating one Muslim nation not cooperating with regimes considered to be heretical. Long before the most recent uprising, the Muslim Brotherhood has not had a problem cooperating with left-wing groups, youth movements, or liberal organizations.

The necessity to come to terms witht he Egyptian political reality is what pushed the Brotherhood into fielding a presidential candidate of its own. It was a difficult decision, and the fact that 52 of 108 members of the Shura Council voted against fielding a candidate only further illustrates the difficulty of such a move.

Mohammed Badie, leader of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, is plagued not only by theological misgivings, but by tactical misgivings as well. Will fielding a Brotherhood candidate cause a rift in the movement? Is it impossible, at this point, to bolster the candidcay of Abdel Munim Abu al-Futuh, a member dismissed from party ranks after announcing his participation in the race? Perhaps Badie should unite the movement now, after learning of his high levels of support among young members of the Brotherhood?

Could the brotherhood also put a hamper on other religious candidates, like the leader of the Salafi movement?

Creating a rift among the different religious voices could bring failure to the movement. Could the fact that the Brotherhood changed directions despite its previous decision not to field a candidate erode the party’s image, portraying it as a party that cannot live up to its promises?

Despite these difficult questions, the Brotherhood decided to act like any other political movement, determining that it cannot neglect any branch of politics. Rumors have already spread in Egypt that the Brotherhood decided to field a candidate in an attempt to twist the arm of the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, which did not allow the Brotherhood to create a new government despite its requests, and showed intent in changing the composition of the constitutional drafting council.

However, the threat of a Brotherhood candidate does not necessarily frighten the Egyptian army, which still has the power to change the composition of the constitutional council, and influence the amount of authority a future president can hold. The army could allow the Brotherhood to create a new government, in return for letting go of its designs on the presidency.

The army could even allow the Brotherhood to run for the presidency, but insist on setting the precedent that the army will in fact determine the president’s political authority.

The army is not the only barrier. The opposition movement - secular parties and various public figures - have already started acting against appointments to the constitutional council, with some resigning from the council and threatening to draw up their own constitution. And of course, Tahrir Square has yet to have the final say.

Read this article in Hebrew.****

3646  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / and Charlie on: April 02, 2012, 12:03:13 PM
Charlie "dog"?

This karate expert chimp was on Ripley's last night.  Kind of cool.
They show him breaking boards with 360 degree spinning back kicks!
These animals are incredibly strong.  I recall it was estimated a 150 chimp could do the equivalent of a 600 pound deadlift.

Needless to add about the poor laday whose face was literally ripped off a few year back:
3647  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Iran leadership far more honest than Obama on: April 02, 2012, 10:42:36 AM
Iran leadership has been quite clear about their intentions.  Obviously they can see Obama is not on Israel's side in seriously stopping them from getting nuclear weapons just like anyone of us.   Nothing new here:

*****02 April 2012 - 16H11   

Iran vows to stick to nuclear 'path'
A picture released by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's official website shows him (right) listening to an expert during a tour of Tehran's research reactor centre on February 15. Iran declared on Monday it will not be swayed from its nuclear "path" by sanctions, a week before talks with world powers that are increasingly seen as a last chance for diplomacy in its showdown with the West.
A picture released by the Iranian president's official website shows a metal-encased rod with 20 percent enriched nuclear fuel as it is inserted into a reactor in Tehran on February 15. Iran declared on Monday it will not be swayed from its nuclear "path" by sanctions, a week before talks with world powers that are increasingly seen as a last chance for diplomacy in its showdown with the West.
Iranian Minister for Foreign Affairs Ali Akbar Salehi is seen prior to his speech at the opening day of the United Nation Human Rights Council annual session on February 27 in Geneva. Iran declared on Monday it will not be swayed from its nuclear "path" by sanctions, a week before talks with world powers that are increasingly seen as a last chance for diplomacy in its showdown with the West. AFP - Iran declared on Monday it will not be swayed from its nuclear "path" by sanctions, a week before talks with world powers that are increasingly seen as a last chance for diplomacy in its showdown with the West.

"The sanctions may have caused us small problems but we will continue our path," Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi vowed in an interview with the official Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA).

"We do not underestimate any enemy, no matter how tiny and lowly they are. The regime's officials -- the supreme leader, the president, the army, the (Revolutionary) Guards and Basij (militia) -- are completely vigilant. And the nation is prepared to defend the achievements of Islamic Iran," he said.

The defiant words came after US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Saturday that the talks between Iran and the world powers would take place April 13 and 14 in Istanbul.

She and US President Barack Obama have both publicly said that the window for diplomacy in the standoff over Iran's nuclear programme is closing.

"Our policy is one of prevention, not containment," Clinton said in Saudi Arabia after talks with her Gulf Arab counterparts.

It is up to Iran to engage in the talks "with an effort to obtain concrete results," Clinton said.

Israel -- the sole if undeclared nuclear weapons state in the Middle East -- and the United States have threatened military strikes against Iran's nuclear facilities if diplomacy and sanctions fail to curb the Islamic republic's nuclear ambitions.

The UN Security Council has imposed four sets of sanctions on Iran because of suspicions over its nuclear programme, which the United States and its allies believe includes a drive to develop atomic weapons capability.

The West has imposed its own unilateral economic sanctions on Iran.

But Iran's oil minister, Rostam Qasemi, told the Mehr news agency on Monday that the West's efforts to curb Iranian oil exports "have been a failure".

"We have seen off what they describe as 'rigorous sanctions' against the oil industry," he said.

Iran denies any military dimension to its nuclear activities.

Its supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has called nuclear weapons a "sin". But he has also refused to bow to sanctions, and warned Iran would retaliate in kind if attacked.

Foreign ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast said in an interview with the Fars news agency that Iran considered the talk of war to be a "psychological" gambit "to affect the Iranian nation, to lower the support of the people for the system."

But, he said, "our readiness (to ward off any threat) is at its peak. We take any threat, even those with a low probability of happening, seriously.

"If any practical action, either surgical or long-lasting, is taken, we will respond decisively."

The talks between Iran and the P5+1 group -- the five permanent UN Security Council members plus Germany -- are seen as an opportunity to defuse the tense situation.

EU officials in Brussels said that, despite Clinton's affirmation, Istanbul had not yet been fully confirmed as the venue.

"The talks are scheduled to start late on the 13th and will be held primarily on the 14th," one EU diplomat told AFP on condition of anonymity.

They will "very likely" take place in Istanbul, but all parties had not yet reached complete agreement, the diplomat said.

A spokeswoman for EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton, who represents the P5+1 in the negotiations, said only: "We will announce it (the venue) formally once we have full agreement."

The last round of talks between Iran and the P5+1 group was held in Istanbul in January 2011 and ended in failure. Geneva hosted the round before that in late 2010.

The United States is poised to bolster unilateral sanctions that are already making it harder for Iran to sell its vital oil exports. Countries that do not reduce Iranian oil imports risk being targeted by US sanctions.

But Salehi stressed to IRNA: "The West thinks that Iran is like many other countries who will yield under America's pressure. But they are mistaken."

He said Iran had resisted Western pressure ever since it became an Islamic republic following its 1979 revolution. And he said the United States would be forced to retreat from its positions if Iranian "national unity" was strengthened.***

3648  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Azerbaija/Iran an ancient relationship on: March 30, 2012, 02:38:01 PM
Interesting about recent leak to media about Israel using Azerbaijan as a base for a possible attack on Iran.  Apparantly Iran has been trying to arrange terrorist acts in that country in apparant retaliation for Azerbaijani security arrests:

****Deterioration of relations in 2012In 2012, three men were detained by the Azerbaijan Ministry of National Security for planning to attack Israelis employed by a Jewish school in Baku. Security officials in Baku linked Iran to the planned terror operation. The men allegedly received smuggled arms and equipment from Iranian agents, possibly as retaliation to the assassination of Iranian nuclear scientists. Wafa Guluzade, a political commentator close to the Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev, warned Iran that "planning the murder of prominent foreign citizens in Azerbaijan by a band of terrorists, one of whom [Dadashov] resides in Iran, amounts to 'hostile activity' against our country."[40]

Irani-Azeri relations deteriorated further after the Azeri Communication Minister, Ali Abbasov accused Iran of carrying out cyber attacks against the country.[40]

On March 2012 Azerbaijan arrested 22 people on suspicion of plotting attacks on the U.S and Israeli embassies in Baku on behalf of neighboring Iran. The ministry said that the suspects were recruited from 1999 onwards and trained in the use of weapons and spy techniques at military camps in Iran to enable them to gather information on foreign embassies, organizations and companies in Azerbaijan and stage attacks.[41][42]***

3649  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Media Issues on: March 29, 2012, 06:28:46 PM
Your right.  The 911 dispatcher did not actually tell him NOT to chase Martin just said what you said.  There is a difference:

"I don't see how neighborhood watch can be construed to be ok to chase someone down a street with a gun."

Well wasn't he carrying a gun?   I assume concealed.   

He did follow Martin who appears to have tried to flee.   Martin undertandably felt threatened and at some point confronted Zimmerman who was carrying a concealed weapon.

Perhaps Zimmerman was just trying to keep an eye on Martin till the police arrived.

But he chased the guy down.  This is not self defense.
3650  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / From American College of Physicians on: March 29, 2012, 03:54:41 PM
This is off the first page without need for a password so I think it ok to print.  I note Dr. Hood's Masters in public health is from (you guessed it)  *Harvard*.  I remember a few decades ago I once considered getting a degree in pulbic health to help shape the "future" of health care but the stuff was simply too boring.  I don't agree with the College's position on this yet I believe part of it is due to a pragmatic political approach to inevitable changes that must take place or else this country will go bust.

****The Present and Future of the Affordable Care ActMarch 26, 2012tion:
Virginia L. Hood, MBBS, MPH, FACP
President, American College of Physicians

Washington — The American College of Physicians (ACP), representing 132,000 internal medicine specialists and medical student members, is pleased to report that the Affordable Care Act (ACA) has resulted in major improvements in access and coverage for tens of millions of Americans seen by internal medicine physicians. Considering that it is just a little over two years since the ACA was enacted into law, and many of its programs are not yet fully effective, the ACA has had notable success in improving health insurance coverage. Looking to the future, the ACA will ensure that nearly all legal residents in the United States will have access to affordable coverage beginning in 2014—if the law is allowed to be fully implemented.

Interestingly, the public policy discussion of the improvements made by the ACA on its two-year anniversary is taking place in a context when the Supreme Court is hearing oral arguments this week on lawsuits challenging the law’s constitutionality. ACP did not submit an amicus brief on the constitutional questions being considered by the Supreme Court because our expertise is in evidence-based assessment of the policies required to ensure that our patients have access to health insurance, not in constitutional law. But the evidence leads us to firmly believe that the ACA’s programs to expand health insurance coverage—including subsidies, health exchanges, essential benefits packages, an individual insurance requirement, and a single national eligibility standard for Medicaid—are necessary to help protect and ensure the health of the American people.

The ACA Already is Helping Millions of PeopleAs a direct result of the ACA:

2.5 million young adults kept their health insurance coverage because they were allowed to stay on their parents’ plans. The percentage of people between ages 19 and 25 being carried as a dependent on a parent’s employment-based coverage increased from 24.7 percent in 2009 to 27.7 percent in 2010. The number of young adults with employment-based coverage as a dependent increased from 7.3 million to 8.2 million.

Through the end of July 2011, 1.28 million Americans with Medicare received discounts on brand name drugs in the Medicare Part D coverage gap — up from 899,000 through the end of June and 478,000 through the end of May. These discounts have saved seniors and people with disabilities a total of $660 million. Figures released a week ago from the Department of Health and Human Services indicate 5.1 million seniors have saved more than $3.2 billion on prescription drugs because of the ACA.

More than 18.9 million Medicare beneficiaries, or 55.6 percent, have received one or more preventive services at no out-of-pocket cost to them.

The National Health Service Corps, which receives mandatory funding under the ACA, has awarded nearly $900 million in scholarships and loan repayment to health care professionals to help expand the country’s primary care workforce and meet the health care needs of communities across the country. There are nearly three times the number of NHSC clinicians working in communities across America than there were three years ago—increasing access to health care. In 2008, approximately 3.7 million patients were provided service by 3,600 NHSC clinicians. With field strength of more than 10,000 clinicians, NHSC now provides health care services to about 10.5 million patients.

The ACA will Help Many Millions More over the Next Two YearsMany patients seen by internal medicine specialists have multiple chronic diseases (often labeled as “pre-existing conditions” by health insurers), which makes it very difficult for them to find health insurance at a premium they can afford. Under the ACA, insurers won’t be allowed to exclude them from coverage, charge them an excessive premium, or refuse to renew their coverage. These protections, already in effect for children, will become effective for adults on January 1, 2014.

Studies suggest that an individual requirement is needed for such reforms to work. Without an individual insurance requirement, some people may wait to obtain insurance until they are sick, aware that insurers will not turn them down or charge them higher premiums (except for family size and tobacco use). This will drive up premiums for everyone else, causing more persons to drop coverage, and potentially, resulting in millions more uninsured persons.

ACP also strongly supports requiring Medicaid to cover all persons with incomes up to 133 percent of the Federal Poverty Level. This change, which initially will be paid for by the federal government, is the most effective way to ensure that low-income persons have access to coverage. Some 16 million vulnerable Americans will receive coverage from this change.

When these and other programs enacted by the ACA become fully implemented by 2014, it is estimated that 94 percent of legal residents in the United States will have access to affordable health insurance coverage, with 32 million persons who now have no health insurance being able to obtain coverage. This will be a historic achievement in improving the health of the American people. Studies show that people without health insurance live sicker and die younger than people with coverage.

ACP fervently hopes that the Supreme Court will chart a course that does not derail implementation of the ACA’s key programs to expand coverage, while responsibly carrying out the court’s constitutional obligation to clarify the constitutional questions. And we hope that a day will come when Congress will be able to move beyond a partisan debate over “repeal and replace” of the ACA to discussion of bipartisan improvements that could be made in the law, without sacrificing the commitment it made to helping nearly all Americans obtain affordable health insurance coverage.


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