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3651  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: September 06, 2012, 12:24:35 PM
Taiwan/China and the Koreas are at this time a standoff.

Iran leadership has made their intentions known.  Different situations.

As for our military we have a commander in chief who has made his intentions known.]

Top military brass traditionally do not contradict him in public.

I don't agree with the US taking the risk of Iran getting nuclear devices and possibly murdering tens of thousands or more.

Preemptive action should have been taken years ago in my armchair opinion.

The risk of nuclear war is going to be far higher when Iran gets nuclear weapons.   sanctions will not work and cannot work - not with China and Russia not supporting them.
3652  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Media Issues on: September 05, 2012, 04:03:29 PM
Good post.   It remains to be seen how CNN's anchors fact check the Dems during their convention.

The women anchors on CNN hve made Republican "fact checking" a career taking it on with passion and vengeance.
3653  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: September 05, 2012, 03:49:07 PM
"That said, if a drawn out war ensues, no one is saying that we won't step in before Israel is destroyed.  Of course we would."

JDN this totally misses the point whether accurate or not.

Once Iran achieves a couple of deliverable nuclear devices Israel can be destroyed in minutes.

The whole point is Iran needs to be prevented from doing this at the outset.  The longer we wait the more difficult it becomes to stop them.

I suppose one other possibility is the US is waiting for more inside intelligence data to better prepare for as close to a knockout blow as possible but this seems very wishful thinking.

3654  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Politics of Health Care on: September 04, 2012, 03:50:13 PM
"PM revealed himself to be a progressive ass in way over his head without even realizing it."

When he first replaced Larry K I thought he was pretty good.  Now I see him as just an opinionated bore.   And I thought Larry was too liberal.   shocked
3655  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: September 04, 2012, 03:45:34 PM
"not really addressed in JDN's posted piece, is the ongoing hardening of Iranian defenses"

Precisely!   We keep hearing one excuse after another why not to attack.  "We don't know where all their targets are known".

This can always be the case.  So next year would be a better time to attack then this year?  These excuses have been ongoing for years now.
3656  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: September 04, 2012, 03:40:15 PM
Yes as feared the military option never was really on the table.  It was all talk the last couple of months to keep liberal Jews sending in the money for his campaign.

I am a bit concerned even MR is now equivicating by saying we need "crippling" sanctions.  It is painfully obvious this will not and cannot work.

The only ones who want war is Iran.

The Romans would have known what to do - "you want war we will give you war, you want peace we will give you peace".

John Bolton keeps saying as some of us here - if one thinks iran is a pain now just imagine what they would be like with nuclear weapons.

I guess the only other option would have been to take a John McCain route and have supported the protesters a few years ago and try to get them to overthrow the mullahs.
3657  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / This an example of OWS people having a point. on: September 02, 2012, 04:11:41 PM
Got to get this off the page before the election.  Justice is skewed when big money and influence is involved.  On this OWS people are certainly correct.   Not a peep from Republicans on this.
3658  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: September 02, 2012, 03:53:32 PM
"that a military strike could damage but not destroy Iran’s nuclear capability"

Well of course a country cannot forever stop another from seeking nuclear weapons.

It would always be delaying or temporarily stopping it.

The fact no military action has been taken for two decades has made it much harder.

Think if Israel had not struck Iraq in the early eighties or Syria when they did.  It could only be worse.

The point is Israel has NO choice.  Iran's intentions are quite clear.

What's best for America?

Apparantly the Obama people and perhaps the US military has decided a nuclear Iran is better than the alternative.

That is also clear.

This is not best for Israel.
3659  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Obama and Democratic party cartel's strategy not new. on: September 02, 2012, 03:45:09 PM
*Plato warned that democratic leaders would “rob the rich, keep as much of the proceeds as they can for themselves and distribute the rest to the people”.*

The lessons of history seem to be lost in the generations.  Friom the Economist.

****Democracies and debt
Voters are now facing a harsh truth
Sep 1st 2012 | from the print edition
ALMOST half the world’s population now lives in a democracy, according to the Economist Intelligence Unit, a sister organisation of this newspaper. And the number of democracies has increased pretty steadily since the second world war. But it is easy to forget that most nations have not been democratic for much of their history and that, for a long time, democracy was a dirty word among political philosophers.

One reason was the fear that democratic rule would lead to ruin. Plato warned that democratic leaders would “rob the rich, keep as much of the proceeds as they can for themselves and distribute the rest to the people”. James Madison, one of America’s founding fathers, feared that democracy would lead to “a rage for paper money, for an abolition of debts, for an equal division of property and for any other improper or wicked projects”. Similarly John Adams, the country’s second president, worried that rule by the masses would lead to heavy taxes on the rich in the name of equality. As a consequence, “the idle, the vicious, the intemperate would rush into the utmost extravagance of debauchery, sell and spend all their share, and then demand a new division of those who purchased from them.”

In this section
Hony ahoy
Summertime blues
»Democracies and debt
The anti-Bob
Into another country
Virtual spring
Paint threshold
The geography of poverty
Corrections: Mexico's stockmarket and inflation in India


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Democracy may have its faults but alternative systems have proved no more fiscally prudent. Dictatorships may still feel the need to bribe their citizens (eg, via subsidised fuel prices) to ensure their acquiescence while simultaneously spending large amounts on the police and the military to shore up their power. The absolute monarchies of Spain and France suffered fiscal crises in the 17th and 18th centuries, and were challenged by Britain and the Netherlands which, though not yet democracies, had dispersed power more widely. Financial problems contributed to the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Nevertheless, with much of the democratic world now in the throes of a debt crisis, it is tempting to ask whether the fears of Madison and Adams have come to pass. Given the rise in inequality in America and Britain over the past 30 years, it is hard to argue that democracies have led to the confiscation of private wealth. Quite the reverse: modern American politicians either need to be wealthy, or need the financial backing of the rich.

But there is a broader problem. Modern governments play a much larger role in the economy than the ancient Greeks or the founding fathers could have imagined. This makes political leaders a huge source of patronage, in the form of business contracts, social benefits, jobs and tax breaks. As the late political scientist, Mancur Olson, pointed out, these goodies are highly valuable to the recipients but the cost to the average voter of any single perk will be small. So beneficiaries will have every incentive to lobby for the retention of their perks and taxpayers will have little reason to campaign against them. Over time the economy will be weighed down by all these costs, like a barnacle-encrusted ship. The Greek economy could be seen as a textbook example of these problems.

One answer could be to take fiscal policy out of the hands of elected leaders, just as responsibility for monetary policy has been handed to independent central bankers. To some extent, that has been happening. Greece was briefly run by Lucas Papademos, an unelected former central banker, and Italy is still ruled by Mario Monti, a former EU commissioner. These technocrats are, it is assumed, more willing to take unpopular decisions.

Another approach, with which America has occasionally flirted, is to pass decisions to a bipartisan commission. (This may be the best answer to the “fiscal cliff” that looms in 2013.) Since the decisions of such a commission, and indeed of technocrats in Greece and Italy, are still subject to a parliamentary vote, democracy is not completely abandoned.

For a long time, there did not seem to be any limit to the amount democracies could borrow. Creditors have been more patient with democratic governments than with other regimes, probably because the risk of abrupt changes of policy (like the repudiation of Tsarist debts by Russia in 1917) are reduced. But this has postponed the crunch point, rather than eliminated it—and allowed stable democracies to accumulate higher debt, relative to their GDP, than many, more volatile countries ever achieved. Governments can, as Madison suggested, confiscate the wealth of domestic creditors via inflation, taxes or default. But however often they vote, democracies cannot make foreign lenders extend credit. That harsh truth is now being discovered.

from the print edition | Finance and economics .Copyright © The Economist Newspaper Limited 2012. All rights res*****
3660  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: September 01, 2012, 12:57:24 PM
MR is waffling a bit with the "crippling sanctions" lines.  It is painfully obvious that there is no such thing and can be no such thin when we have China, Russia, and others not playing ball with us on that matter.

MR now is saying military option is "on the table".    Here we go again.  Same BS line that at this point has zero affect on Iran leadership.

Of course not much Mitt can do at this point unitl he is President.
3661  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: September 01, 2012, 12:51:52 PM
Crafty I agree with your post.

"The American uni-polar moment is gone"

And good riddance.  

I only saw a small portion of the convention but someone (Mitt?) was speaking about "only America can lead the charge against crises around the world" (or something to that effect).

This is in my opinion a blunder.  I personally, and believe most Americans have come to agree that we DO NOT want to be the policemen for the world.

It may have been John McCain who was stating this stuff.  I do not agree with we should be getting involved in every middle east country every time there is a crises.

America should not be taking on the role of spreading Democracy around the world.  We can encourage it, promote it but keep our troops our money out of it.  I think most Americans agree with me.   And Dick Morris also said as such when he mentioned how when he listened to McCain speech "alarm" bells starting going off in his head - those who were hearing the speech would be thinking, oh no not again.

I generelly like McCain but on this he is nuts.  We don't need more wars unless it is in our absolute security interests.

I feel helping Israel is in our direct security but of course I am biased because I am Jewish.  I don't know if JDN and the rest of Americans can be persauded as such.  On this I like what Romney has to say for it is clearly inevitable that military action is needed to stop Iran from finishing the job they are hell bent on for 2-3 decades.
3662  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Obama Phenomena on: August 31, 2012, 09:13:06 AM
Harvey Golub the ex ceo of American express was on cnbc this am and I thought he said in a nutshell my conclusions after doing some amatuer reading up on history.

He stated that history is replete with examples that the ONLY political system that works to lift people's lives upward in socio economic class has three components:

1- free markets
2- property rights
3- rule of law

Government control whether communism, socialism, facsism has never worked in creating wealth.

I remember we pondered why in Latin America their is so much more divergence of the classes as opposed to US / Canada.  There was a good documentary on this exact point but i don't recall if it was from channel 13 or Nova.  Anyway it had to do with the difference in landownership.  Those from England who came to the new world to Englished settled colonies were almost all indentured servants.  Howev er they were allowed to work off their debt and purchace and own land.

In Latino settled countries they were not allowed to own land.  They lived as virtual serfs renting from the big land grwoing landowners.

That is why in Latino countries they are controlled by groups of oligarchy families who gained and maintained control over the centuries.

As for communism we only look at the dust bin of history to see the results of that.

We need the rule of law to keep the markets free. 

IMO we don't need more regulation but more enforcement of laws  that we have.

In any case I thought Golub's presentation this AM was spot on and the best summary yet of why Obama, and his radicals must be thrown out.

The little mealy mouth mouse on CNN (soloDAD) was of course asking Chirstine Odonnel if Romney is "radical".  What a joke, obama is the one who is trying to change 200 yrs of tradition in the US and the "mouse" was calling MR the "radical".  Of course ODonnel blew the answer.  I don't know for the life of me why she is on a national program .  I guess CNN libs made certain to put her on the day after the convention to try to undercut the Repubs.
3663  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Obama the figure head for the existing revolution in America on: August 28, 2012, 04:20:47 PM
The liberals have figured out how to carry revolution in the US.  Simply increase thier numbers by adding victim groups, the poor, the minorities, gays, now single women and bribe them with taxpayer monies.

They need not lift a gun, fire a shot, send anyone into exile.  Simply confiscate from a smaller and smaller group and use those monies to pay off those who will then in turn keep voting for them.

It can't be any more clear.

The problem is that many are happy to have others pay for them.  You can't "educate" them.  Only bribe them more.

  One difference between Lenin and brockman is Vladimir was the guru and the spokesperson whereas Brock is just the spokesperson.
  One similarity is Lenin was also interested in world wide revolution not just in Russia.  Russia was just the base of operations.   Now the progressives want to spread the one world wide government, get rid of religion, culture, sovereignty with one world wide centralized controlling authority.  The concept of the UN being in charge is only a step in the direction of ONE world government.

Dinesh was on cable the other night and descended a bit into psychobabble, but the overall direction of his conclusions are right on.
3664  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / "Forward" is blatant on: August 28, 2012, 04:06:36 PM
I never thought I would see a sitting President so obviously promote a socialist/communist agenda.   I am reading a condensed biography of Lenin and the comparisons today are wide and broad.  The only difference that rather than force of arms the present revolutionary left is using taxpayer funds to simply bribe a majority.  Every time they need a few more votes they come up with another group to put in the victim category to increase their voting share.
3665  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Fascism, liberal fascism, progressivism, socialism: on: August 26, 2012, 07:06:25 PM
Obama, Axelrod, Jarrett's communist connections.   I was trying to find if David Axelrod who is the offspring of Russian Jewish immigrants and whose mother worked for a radical right newspaper funded by Marshall was in any way related to the marxist/communist Pavel Axelrod who was associated with Vladimir Lenin.   I cannot find if there is an ancestral link or not but this piece has some other interesting communist links between some of the players:
3666  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Iraq on: August 19, 2012, 01:58:07 PM
W's embracing of the neocons' concept of spreading democracy around the world is so far a decided failure for America's interests.

This is the thanks we get.

Reminds me of the thanks Jews get for being so worried about the underdogs.

Iraq was in retrospect a mistake.  Afghanistan, I don't know how long we keep this up.

The only good thing is perhaps the right can use this against the Dems 2016 pres candidate - hillary clinton.

Of course there are already trial balloons suggesting it ain't her Sec of State failures as much as Bamster's policies.   She is just doing his bidding and of course she has "privately" had great bouts of disagreements but she has just been the good soldier.

Oh she has had so many disgreements with the chosen "ONE".  If only she was in charge and not subject to carrying out his policies.

The Middle East would be a peaceful lake without a ripple......

So goes the spin from the Clintonites who are just drooling to get her in position for '16.  There is no way she won't run.
3667  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Obama Phenomena on: August 15, 2012, 01:09:19 PM
"Barack Obama the man is more of a mystery to Americans than any president in modern history"

Yes.  It is astounding how the MSM refuse to investigate this guy.

Yet, we already have more digging and publicizing about Ryan in the last few days than we ever had about the brockster.

If not for Fox, and talk radio no one would ever know anything about the present presidents close ties to  marxists, socialists, communists, black racists, anti semites.


Yet the same crowd that likes to place all these revelations into the right wing, crazy conspiracy camp has no problem making the argument that going through Romney's and Ryan's tax records, and every singel detail about everything they ever did or said is relevant and germane.

The hypocracy the double standard is breathtaking to behold.

If the right had the same overt and covert support from the media the election would be a no contest.

I susupect it will wind up being a no contest despite their efforts to buttress their guys.
3668  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: August 14, 2012, 02:34:05 PM
Yes, Doug.  I recall our discussions on this issue.  I was wrong.   There is no compromise with liberals.  There is no end to their demands.  We have gigantic government now.  ****Endless**** entitlements programs, government programs, government organizations.   Yet their prescription is to tax and spend and expand this even more!

We cannot compromise.  We already have.  There simply is no compromise.  Stop it now or we are done.

In medicine every single thing I do is or will be scrutinized at *industrial* assembly line quality control levels.  Every single thing I say, I write, I do, every decision, every move, everything I don't do will collected sent stored and analyzed by people who will credit, discredit, reward, punish, pay for, refuse to pay for, make public, correct, make me redo, question, critique, "approve", not "approve", warn, and more.
If not enough, one false move, one mistake, I can be sued for years.

I am used to this in medicine.  It gets sworse not better everyday. But,  

I don't want this for the rest of my life's endeavors.  I don't want my car black boxed. I don't want my electric bill evaluated for the wrong usage, my water bill scrutinized for the amount of flushes, or my grocery bill scrutinized and taxed because obama doesn't approve of my  food choices.  

Despite all this I work several months a year to have it confiscated and doled out to the predominantly Democratic parties pet constituencies who of course vote them right back in office.

The Democrat party comeback is,
 I should pay more taxes, shut the fuck up, because I might be accused of being a biggoted white boy, who had the God damn nerve to have had the ood fortunebrought up in a good (we were confortable but not rich)  and nurturing family.

Am I angry, your damn right I am.

I have had enough!
3669  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Political Rants & interesting thought pieces on: August 14, 2012, 02:15:28 PM
Well, we sill see if peaceful elections are the antedote to the dangling of taxpayer monies to bribe ever increasing numbers and groups of voters, expanding their power, to the ong term detriment of this country as we have always known it.

Many are questioning if this is unstoppable peacefully.

We will know in November.

I am optimistic.
3670  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: August 14, 2012, 01:48:22 PM
"I think Obama inherited many of the current
problems from Bush"

The reason Bush was such a big spender was precisely because, he, Rove, and the "compassionate conservative" crowd were trying to keep up with the Democrats in appearing kind, "compassionate", for the "po", for the struggling masses if you will.

It was a spending spree to keep up with the tax and spend Democrats who are relentlessly willing without end to find reasons and ways to tax more and spend more essentially buying off more and more voters.  The Bush crowd is clearly fearful that if they don't do something to beat the Crats at their own game the crats will continue to buy off more and more voters as they are successfully doing.

Some years ago I agreed with this supposed compromising strategy.  Now I realize it was all misguided.  We cannot have two parties competing to spend more taxpayer money to pay for more and more entitlements.

The country is going over a cliff.   And the left will never be satisfied till  America is driven down to a status like all the other countries.  Liberals appear hell bent on the concept that America's wealth and those of the white race must be shared throughout the world.  And one central government will control it all.

So Bush was wrong as are all the Bushes.

Romeny choice in Ryan was sound.  We make a stand now or we can kiss the country goodbye.  The stricter conservatives are right in my view.

JDN, afrter reading your posts for years, I don't recall you ever spending any serious time bashing Democrats.  You always find ways to bash Republicans.

Why don't you just say tyou are a Democrt and of course you will vote for Obama.  Just get it over with.  Why try to kid us aftera ll these years.  You certainly want big brother entitlements.  Your posts for years reflect this.
3671  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Romney on: August 11, 2012, 03:20:58 PM
"In essence, Obama's entire campaign to date has been aimed at taking economic doubts and worry -- which Romney has tried to pin on Obama -- and increasing them by portraying the GOP nominee as a predatory capitalist indifferent to middle class suffering. They now believe Ryan gives them a contemporary policy toehold in Washington to take that argument from the distant past (Bain Capital) and make it a cutting issue in Romney and Ryan's present-day campaign."

Every time I think it through it all comes down to whether there are more people who are tired of supporting the entitlement groups then there are in those groups.

Are there more people who are afraid that Republicanns will take away their benefits, medicare, medicaid, welfare, unempolyment, disability,student aids, housing loans, quotas, etc. vs those who are tired of working like dogs paying for the Demcorat party taxes, regulations, control, etc?

To me this is the question.  It all boils down to this.  Ideology, future direction of America, freedom, capatilism, tyranny, are certainly all part of it.  Yet in the end we are all going to vote our pocket books. So are there more of them (dependents) or us?

Just .... as Mark Levin recently said.


I always knew it could happen here but I guess I didn't think it would.  Like we Jews always said about the holocaust, yes it can happen again.  Same for marxism.

Progressives just keep moving *forward* - to one world government, secular with total central control of all of us.
 Every time I hear liberals use that word this IS what is meant.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is either in denial or I guess oblivius, not paying careful attention, or dumb.
3672  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: August 07, 2012, 09:06:57 PM
***"Obama's usual campaign method ... has been to pry into the private records of his opponents. ... One month before the 2004 Democratic primary for the U.S. Senate, Obama was down in the polls, about to lose to Blair Hull, a multimillionaire securities trader. But then the Chicago Tribune leaked the claim that Hull's second ex-wife, Brenda Sexton, had sought an order of protection against him during their 1998 divorce proceedings. ... After having held a substantial lead just a month before the primary, Hull's campaign collapsed with the chatter about his divorce. ... As luck would have it, Obama's opponent in the general election had also been divorced! ... [Jack Ryan] ... made hundreds of millions of dollars as a partner at Goldman Sachs, and then, in his early 40s, left investment banking to teach at an inner city school on the South Side of Chicago. Ryan would have walloped Obama in the Senate race. But at the request of -- again -- the Chicago Tribune, California Judge Robert Schnider unsealed the custody papers in Ryan's divorce five years earlier.... [R]yan dropped out of the race for the horror of (allegedly) propositioning his own wife and then taking 'no' for an answer. ... And that's how Obama became a U.S. senator. ... Obama's team delved into Sarah Palin's marriage and spread rumors of John McCain's alleged affair in 2008 and they smeared Herman Cain in 2011 with hazy sexual harassment allegations all emanating from David Axelrod's pals in Chicago. It's almost like a serial killer's signature.***

Agreed!  That is why it is very likely Alexrod is either the leaker of responsible for another person leaking military security issues from the WH to the NYT.
I never thought I would live to see it but these guys are even sleezier than the Clinton team - and they are sleezy.
3673  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: August 04, 2012, 01:19:58 PM
"At least we all agree that he can't fix it."

Recenlty Rush and Levin have both admitted the obvious.

There are increasing numbers of people here who want someone else to pay for them.

Either one believes in traditional America, with capatilism free, enterprise, limited government, competition, or one doesn't care and they are on the dole.

Ideology is the issue but ideology alone won't win.

Most don't care about ideology.   Most care about their pocketbooks.

So what am I saying?  It is about ideology and yet it isn't.

No, what I am saying it IS absolutely about ideology.  But Mitt is going to have to convince enough voters that the conservative ideology is the best for them, all of us, and America.   He cannot speak in just "jobs",  "unemployment", or "big government", or "statism", or "entitlements".

He has to speak about all of it and tie it all together.   It doesn't appear that calling Obama a socialist is enough.  Unfortunately, there are ever increasing numbers of poeple who basically want socialism.  Free" health care, "free" educatuion (why never "free" legal care?).  The crats are doing everything they can to expand their numbers with bribery using taxpayer money.

As Levin has FINALLY pointed out we can only hope there are  more of us then them.  I couldn't agree more and have felt this way for years and am glad the talking heads are finally saying it.

For they speak to the choir.  The 40% firmly in the Democrat party camp are always going to want taxpaid beneftis -always - that is how they think.

I think the talking heads are now struggling to come up with a Romney theme that will get past the banner phrases and give enough voters the confidence his ideology is best for their pocketbooks.  Just my take.
3674  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: July 21, 2012, 06:51:42 PM
Abe Lincoln:

"and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."


"and that people of the government, by the government, for the government, shall not perish from the earth because of the government".


"Your no Lincoln!"

3675  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / How can Repubs get minority votes? on: July 21, 2012, 06:39:07 PM
Without pandering?  Without trying to outspend Democrats on taxpayer funded benefits (entitlements)?

Fascinating discussion by Dick.   I wondered how in the world the Blacks shifted from republican to democrat.

I was disappointed he doesn't offer any way to bring them back.  Are they lost forever?

How can we get Blacks back to the Repub party?  Without pandering?  Without government (taxpayer) handouts?

One thought I have had and expressed previously is to emphasize in no uncertain terms that the Democrats are giving away all US citizens freedoms - including those of color, latino, and everyone else here legally.  Just now when Blacks have been able to succeed in US society they risk losing their freedoms too.

Herman Cain basically said this when he said "he got off the Democrat Party plantation long ago".

Unfortunately Blacks either do not think they can make it on their own without big daddy government redistributing wealth or perhaps it is more simply  a reparations or get even thing.  I don't know.

I really think Romney failed to address how the Repub party means freedom for all and the Dem party means Blacks will not share in the fredeom because they are voting for a party that is eager to give it away to buy votes.  Look at the long term.  Not just the next government paycheck.

And so how do we court Latinos?  Simply say we are all for pardons of illegals?  Hey guys come on over?   They aren't all going to start voting Republican for some ideology.

They want the government to pay them entitlements same as the rest of the Demcocrats, white , chinese, blacks etc.  Except for Cubans in Florida (not NYC) they didn't all start voting Repub just because of Reagan's pardon.
3676  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Decline, Fall, and Resurrection of America on: July 17, 2012, 05:07:01 PM
there is 14 pages of shale gas writings in the past Economist mag.

the contamination of ground water, earthquakes, use of water, issues seem overblown but that guy at Columbia is probably right that it is not unreasonable for the oil/gas industry to spend a reltively small amount to monitor and study the situation rather than go in full bore (pun intended) and then risk (albiet small) a very big problem when it becomes obvious.

OTOH, I wonder if he wonders they should pick HIM to advise such proposed monitoring with 'appropriate' enumeration.

3677  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: July 17, 2012, 04:59:06 PM
"the sitting Treasury Secretary's tax evasion"

don't forget Charles Rangel.

I agree with
Mark Levin.  Mitt does not need to give the libs any more data they can manipulate to their spin.  Give *no* more tax records.

"Independents" or undecided's won't care. Libs have already made up their minds.

Bill Kristol and Haley Barber and both shcultzes should release their taxes first.
3678  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Political Rants & interesting thought pieces on: July 14, 2012, 01:17:13 PM
"Some conservatives have cheered that part of Justice Roberts's decision that limits Congress's Commerce Clause power. But an unlimited taxing power is equally dangerous to constitutional government."

Absolutely.  Mark Levin is correct in saying Roberts has done grave nearly irreversible damage to our republic.  The democrat party, liberal lawyer, union, minority interest cabal is subverting justice in our system to maintain power for themselves.

Our system is in trouble as long as we have half the population voting money for themselves out of the treasury and doing so with complicit polticians.

Rush Limbaugh has finally come and highlighted as a message to Romney.   It ain't about jobs.   It ain't about the middle class.  Both of these are relevent but are only subtle pretetexts to the real issue.

It is the gigantic entitlement state that keeps expanding while those who pay for it are being squeezed.

This is the "issue" of the age for the US.
That is the issue

3679  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Unions on: June 29, 2012, 10:11:54 AM
Over the decades there have been calls for physicians to unionize but I am not aware if it has happened anywhere.

Naturally it was only physicians who would have been for such a thing.   We are not monolithic.   We are really a hodgepoge of different groups with different situations.

Older vs younger, academic vs nonacademic, group vs individual, specialties vs primary, surgeons vs nonsurgeons, employed vs in private practice etc.  So the concept of doctors unifying was really a mirage anyway.

But now reading the above post and seeing on drudge that one congresswoman hinted that doctors might unionize - all now that this might strengthen the union/democrat party cabal - well - what can I say?

Again Obama calls for us to move "forward".  The use of that word is again a reminder of what this has all been about.
As long as the "New" Democrat party can continue to rob some taxpayer groups and pay other who pay little taxes I don't know if this can be stopped. 

3680  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Issues in the American Creed (Constitutional Law and related matters) on: June 29, 2012, 09:54:04 AM
Apparantly the law can be repealed with only 51 votes in the Senate.   Therefore repeal is not simply a pipe dream.

3681  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / will piece on: June 29, 2012, 09:06:32 AM
3682  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / George Will: decision a conservative victory on: June 28, 2012, 08:22:06 PM

I used to like to read George's stuff but this is another example of how he seems to have learned to walk ass first:
3683  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Mark Levin: Roberts wrong in interpretation of Constitutional tax issues on: June 28, 2012, 08:15:13 PM
3684  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Issues in the American Creed (Constitutional Law and related matters) on: June 28, 2012, 07:50:10 PM
"Judging by this case, there's no limit to what the federal government can order us to do as long as they attach a monetary penalty for disobedience"

*And* if the Democrat party bribes just enough voters with that tax revenue to maintain power - the sky is the limit.

Could the framers have imagined this?
3685  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Politics of Health Care on: June 27, 2012, 02:03:55 PM
A safer version of the desfenfluramine drug approved today - arena pharm - should be marginally helpful
So will  vivus pharm combination of topomax/phentermine recommended for approval.

The latter one pisses me off.  Around two weeks before it was rec. for approval I read it had up to a 13% weight loss success which is more than any other.  I thought I should buy in but was too afraid - every single pharm company I ever bought into was a loss for me.  Of course, this time, two weeks later, the price went from 10 or 11 to 22 overnight.

3686  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Gay pride; no not NYC; the pentagon on: June 26, 2012, 02:01:12 PM
Probably the thought of rape and pillage by divisions of gays would frighten the Iranians more than airstrikes.  I am not against gays living their lives left alone but this is out of control:

****Pentagon To Hold First-Ever Gay Pride Event Tuesday
By Elizabeth Flock

June 25, 2012 RSS Feed Print 
In this July 16, 2011 photo, two women, both active duty sailors in the Navy who gave their names as Nikki, left, and Lisa, kiss as they march in the Gay Pride Parade in San Diego.
Less than a year after the Defense Department's "Don't ask, don't tell" (DADT) policy toward gay and lesbian service members was repealed, the Pentagon says it will hold its first-ever Gay Pride event Tuesday.

The event is likely to be a more toned-down version of the Gay Pride parades that take place every June in cities around the world—sans the flags, wigs, beads and boas. (Though some have suggested rainbow camo or berets.)

Instead, the Pentagon has planned a somber-sounding panel discussion entitled "The Value of Open Service and Diversity," according to a Defense Department press release.

The event will also have a keynote speaker: the Pentagon's top lawyer Jeh Johnson, who co-chaired the 2010 study on how a DADT repeal might affect combat operations, housing and other issues, according to the Washington Post.

Johnson, along with co-chair U.S. Army Gen. Carter Ham, concluded in the study: "While a repeal of 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' will likely, in the short term, bring about some limited and isolated disruption to unit cohesion and retention, we do not believe this disruption will be widespread or long-lasting."

Several months after the report, in December 2010, DADT was repealed.

As Gay Pride events took place across the country this month, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta issued his own Pride Month message to gays and lesbians in the military, saying he was "very proud of how we implemented repeal" of DADT. "Diversity is one of our greatest strengths," he said.
Elizabeth Flock is a staff writer for U.S. News & World Report. You can contact her at or follow her on Twitter and Facebook.
3687  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / suspected leaker is Biden's lawyer's brother on: June 26, 2012, 01:14:18 PM
ZERO chance of special prosecuter with this corrupt WH.  It is sad but expected not one Dem Senator calling for the sp. pros.
3688  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Jimmy Carter on: June 26, 2012, 10:26:38 AM
I am not a fan of Jimmy Carter but at least he is consistent.   This is nothing less than REMARKABLE that a Democrat would come out and say this in an election year.   Not a peep from the rest of the left wing media to my knowledge.   If this were W doing the drones they would be screaming bloody **murder** like they did over much less stuff - water boarding three mass murderers!

****......Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'
By Amy Bingham | ABC News – 23 hrs ago...
...Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread …
A former U.S. president is accusing the current president of sanctioning the "widespread abuse of human rights" by authorizing drone strikes to kill suspected terrorists.

Jimmy Carter, America's 39 th president, denounced the Obama administration for "clearly violating" 10 of the 30 articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, writing in a New York Times op-ed on Monday that the "United States is abandoning its role as the global champion of human rights."

"Instead of making the world safer, America's violation of international human rights abets our enemies and alienates our friends," Carter wrote.

While the total number of attacks from unmanned aircraft, or drones, and the resulting casualties are murky, the New America Foundation estimates that in Pakistan alone 265 drone strikes have been executed since January 2009 . Those strikes have killed at least 1,488 people, at least 1,343 of them considered militants, the foundation estimates based on news reports and other sources.

In addition to the drone strikes, Carter criticized the current president for keeping the Guantanamo Bay detention center open, where prisoners "have been tortured by waterboarding more than 100 times or intimidated with semiautomatic weapons, power drills or threats to sexually assault their mothers."

The former president blasted the government for allowing "unprecedented violations of our rights to privacy through warrantless wiretapping and government mining of our electronic communications."

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He also condemned recent legislation that gives the president the power to detain suspected terrorists indefinitely, although a federal judge blocked the law from taking effect for any suspects not affiliated with the September 11 terrorist attacks.

"This law violates the right to freedom of expression and to be presumed innocent until proved guilty, two other rights enshrined in the declaration," Carter said.

While Carter never mentioned Obama by name, he called out "our government" and "the highest authorities in Washington," and urged "concerned citizens" to "persuade Washington to reverse course and regain moral leadership."

Get more pure politics at ABC****
3689  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Shwartzenegger has bigger muscles on: June 25, 2012, 09:28:28 AM
But Romney had lower taxes.   I thought this amusing.  Romney sounded good here with a Reagan type quote:
3690  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / hover car on: June 23, 2012, 11:46:37 AM
3691  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Obama: first "manufactured" President on: June 23, 2012, 11:20:28 AM
Not mentioned in Mark Steyn's piece but along his lines of thinking is Elizabeth Warren's phoney and knowing claim to be part Cheriokee.   Claiming membership into a "victim group" has become rewarding monetariily and career wise in the new "post" racial, post gender America.

*** June 22, 2012 Updated: June 23, 2012 7:58 a.m.
Text:    Next Article » Mark Steyn: Obama the first Invented-American president 

Syndicated columnist
Courtesy of David Maraniss' new book, we now know that yet another key prop of Barack Obama's identity is false: His Kenyan grandfather was not brutally tortured or even non-brutally detained by his British colonial masters. The composite gram'pa joins an ever-swelling cast of characters from Barack's "memoir" who, to put it discreetly, differ somewhat in reality from their bit parts in the grand Obama narrative. The best friend at school portrayed in Obama's autobiography as "a symbol of young blackness" was, in fact, half Japanese, and not a close friend. The white girlfriend he took to an off-Broadway play that prompted an angry post-show exchange about race never saw the play, dated Obama in an entirely different time zone, and had no such world-historically significant conversation with him. His Indonesian step-grandfather, supposedly killed by Dutch soldiers during his people's valiant struggle against colonialism, met his actual demise when he "fell off a chair at his home while trying to hang drapes."
David Maraniss is no right-winger, and can't understand why boorish nonliterary types have seized on his book as evidence that the president of the United States is a Grade A phony. "It is a legitimate question about where the line is in memoir," he told Soledad O'Brien on CNN. My Oxford dictionary defines "memoir" as "an historical account or biography written from personal knowledge." And if Obama doesn't have "personal knowledge" of his tortured grandfather, war-hero step-grandfather and racially obsessed theater-buff girlfriend, who does? But in recent years, the Left has turned the fake memoir into one of the most prestigious literary genres: Oprah's Book Club recommended James Frey's "A Million Little Pieces," hailed by Bret Easton Ellis as a "heartbreaking memoir" of "poetic honesty," but subsequently revealed to be heavy on the "poetic" and rather light on the "honesty." The "heartbreaking memoir" of a drug-addled street punk who got tossed in the slammer after brawling with cops while high on crack with his narco-hooker girlfriend proved to be the work of some suburban Pat Boone type with a couple of parking tickets. (I exaggerate, but not as much as he did.

File: This undated file photo released by Obama for America shows President Barack Obama as a young boy, and his father, also named Barack Obama.
70 cartoons on executive privilege, immigration, leaks and more

Oprah was also smitten by "The Education of Little Tree," the heartwarmingly honest memoir of a Cherokee childhood which turned out to be concocted by a former Klansman whose only previous notable literary work was George Wallace's "Segregation Forever" speech. "Fragments: Memories of a Wartime Childhood" is a heartbreakingly honest, poetically searing, searingly painful, painfully honest, etc., account of Binjamin Wilkomirski's unimaginably horrific boyhood in the Jewish ghetto of Riga and the Nazi concentration camp at Auschwitz. After his memoir won America's respected National Jewish Book Award, Mr. Wilkomirski was inevitably discovered to have been born in Switzerland and spent the war in a prosperous neighborhood of Zurich being raised by a nice middle-class couple. He certainly had a deprived childhood, at least from the point of view of a literary agent pitching a memoir to a major publisher. But the "unimaginable" horror of his book turned out to be all too easily imagined. Fake memoirs have won the Nobel Peace Prize and are taught at Ivy League schools to the scions of middle-class families who take on six-figure debts for the privilege ("I, Rigoberta Menchu"). They're handed out by the Pentagon to senior officers embarking on a tour of Afghanistan (Greg Mortenson's "Three Cups of Tea") on the entirely reasonable grounds that a complete fantasy could hardly be less credible than current NATO strategy.
In such a world, it was surely only a matter of time before a fake memoirist got elected as president of the United States. Indeed, the aforementioned Rigoberta Menchu ran as a candidate in the 2007 and 2011 presidential elections in Guatemala, although she got knocked out in the first round – Guatemalans evidently being disinclined to elect someone to the highest office in the land with no accomplishment whatsoever apart from a lousy fake memoir. Which just goes to show what a bunch of unsophisticated rubes they are.
In an inspired line of argument, Ben Smith of the website BuzzFeed suggests that the controversy over "Dreams From My Father" is the fault of conservatives who have "taken the self-portrait at face value." We are so unlettered and hicky that we think a memoir is about stuff that actually happened rather than a literary jeu d'esprit playing with nuances of notions of assumptions of preconceptions of concoctions of invented baloney. And so we regard the first member of the Invented-American community to make it to the White House as a kinda weird development rather than an encouraging sign of how a new post-racial, post-gender, post-modern America is moving beyond the old straitjackets of black and white, male and female, gay and straight, real and hallucinatory.
The question now is whether the United States itself is merely the latest chapter of Obama's fake memoir. You'll notice that, in the examples listed above, the invention only goes one way. No Cherokee orphan, Holocaust survivor or recovering drug addict pretends to be George Wallace's speechwriter. Instead, the beneficiaries of boring middle-class Western life seek to appropriate the narratives and thereby enjoy the electric frisson of fashionable victim groups. And so it goes with public policy in the West at twilight.
Thus, Obama's executive order on immigration exempting a million people from the laws of the United States, is patently unconstitutional, but that's not how an NPR listener looks at it: To him, Obama's unilateral amnesty enriches stultifying white-bread America with a million plucky little Rigoberta Menchus and their heartbreaking stories. Eric Holder's entire tenure as attorney general is a fake memoir all by itself, and his invocation of "executive privilege" in the Fast & Furious scandal is preposterous, but American liberals can't hear: Insofar as they know anything about Fast & Furious, it's something to do with the government tracking the guns of fellows like those Alabama "Segregation Forever" nuts, rather than a means by which hundreds of innocent Rigoberta Menchus south of the border were gunned down with weapons sold to their killers by liberal policy-makers of the Obama administration. If that's the alternative narrative, they'll take the fake memoir.
Similarly, Obamacare is apparently all about the repressed patriarchal white male waging his "war on women." The women are struggling 30-year-old Georgetown Law coeds whose starting salary after graduation is 140 grand a year, but let's not get hung up on details. Dodd-Frank financial reform, also awaiting Supreme Court judgment, is another unconstitutional power grab, but its designated villains are mustache-twirling top-hatted bankers, so, likewise, who cares?
One can understand why the beneficiaries of the postwar West's expansion of middle-class prosperity would rather pass themselves off as members of way-cooler victim groups: it's a great career move. It may even have potential beyond the page: See Sandra Fluke's dazzling pre-Broadway tryout of "Fake Memoir: The High School Musical," in which a 30-year-old Georgetown Law coed whose starting salary after graduation is 140 grand a year passes herself off as the Little Rigoberta Hussein Wilkomirski of the Rite-Aid pick-up line. But transforming an entire nation into a fake memoir is unlikely to prove half so lucrative. The heartwarming immigrants, the contraceptive-less coeds, the mustache-twirling bankers all provide cover for a far less appealing narrative: an expansion of centralized power hitherto unknown to this republic. In reality, Obama's step-grandfather died falling off the chair while changing the drapes. In the fake-memoir version, Big Government's on the chair, and it's curtains for America.
3692  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / SCOTUS, health care ruling and stock market on: June 21, 2012, 01:59:30 PM
Some thoughts on subject though the author does have a very baby face shocked
3693  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Housing/Mortgage/Real Estate on: June 21, 2012, 01:56:01 PM
30 yr now @ 3.66% - lowest on record!

3694  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / PSA screening on: June 21, 2012, 01:18:46 PM
CDC has good summary of pros and cons of PSA screening.   There is a link for a file for African American men that can be found at the CDC website too.   They, for unknown reasons, have a higher risk.   I think I will start referring people here to read up on testing and let them decide if they want it.  While I certainly do not want to be giving advice here on the board, because I have posted previously on the subject, I feel it necessary to clarify with the best available information on the subject which is still a controversial subject.  I read at least 3 or 4 reviews that conclude routine screening is probably more harm than good and one author states something to the effect the era of PSA screening for all men is over.   Then within a few weeks is the backlash not unlike the breast cancer screening controversy not too long ago.   I hope this clarifies to some extnet the present knowledge and I didn't confuse anyone:
3695  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Olympics/elite athletes on: June 21, 2012, 12:13:21 PM
I found this Mayo Clinic Proceedings article about genetics and athletic performance interesting.   It concerns all elite athletes and is apropo with the London games coming up.   I love watching the Olympics.  They are a great break from all the other drama.
3696  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Olympics/elite athletes on: June 20, 2012, 02:09:46 PM
I found this Mayo Clinic Proceedings article about genetics and athletic performance interesting.   It concerns all elite athletes and is apropo with the London games coming up.   I love watching the Olympics.  They are a great break from all the other drama.
3697  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Supreme Court again? on: June 20, 2012, 02:04:36 PM
This suggests the next step is the Supreme Court which will take ? long.  Can this be done before November?

"Once executive privilege is asserted, coequal branches of the Government are set on a collision course. The Judiciary is forced into the difficult task of balancing the need for information in a judicial proceeding and the Executive’s Article II prerogatives. This inquiry places courts in the awkward position of evaluating the Executive’s claims of confidentiality and autonomy, and pushes to the fore difficult questions of separation of powers and checks and balances. These ‘occasion for constitutional confrontation between the two branches’ are likely to be avoided whenever possible.”

Crafty ask's,

"Doesn't this require an asssertion that the President was involved?"

Bigdog says, "no".

But doesn't this mean yes:

"So what does Obama’s invocation of executive privilege mean for the Fast & Furious investigation moving forward?

It may have very serious implications for the Obama White House. Holder previously testified that President Obama was not directly involved in discussions about Fast & Furious, and President Obama told CNN Espanol in a recorded interview that he had no involvement and only found out about the scandal “on the news.” However, today’s assertion of executive privilege puts both claims in question."

3698  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: June 18, 2012, 09:17:48 AM
"Doug, do you know of any crime, anyone more hideous and destructive to our country than a traitor?"

How about a WH staff that releases sensitive security intelligence to the whole world for political gain?

Obama saying he did not "authorize it" bespeaks that he knew.

He didn't "authorize it" but he knew and winked.  At least that is what it sounds like to me.
3699  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Immigration issues on: June 17, 2012, 02:47:49 PM
"Was he lying to us then or is he lying to us now?"

Both.   It doesn't seem to matter thought.   The deciders of elections, the  "undecideds" don't seem to think honesty is important enough a requisite job qualification.   Clinton certainly proved that case in the 90's.

Say whatever it takes to get re elected.

3700  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: June 17, 2012, 02:10:22 PM
"Separately, I note the author's lack of rage at the recent giving up of secret intel to the who fg world , , ,"

Great point.

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