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3651  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / another internet gold rush; bubble? on: May 16, 2011, 09:28:44 AM

 Print edition Internet businesses
Another digital gold rush
Internet companies are booming again. Does that mean it is time to buy or to sell?
May 12th 2011 | BEIJING AND SAN FRANCISCO | from the print edition
PIER 38 is a vast, hangar-like structure, perched on San Francisco’s waterfront. Once a place where Chinese immigrants landed with picks and shovels, ready to build railways during California’s Gold Rush, the pier is now home to a host of entrepreneurs with smartphones and computers engaged in a race for internet riches. From their open-plan offices, the young people running start-ups with fashionably odd names such as NoiseToys, Adility and Trazzler can gaze at the fancy yachts moored nearby when they aren’t furiously tapping out lines of code.

“The speed of innovation is unlike anything we’ve seen before,” says Ryan Spoon, who runs Dogpatch Labs, an arm of a venture-capital firm that rents space to young companies at Pier 38. Like many other entrepreneurs, the tenants would love to follow firms such as Facebook and Zynga, a maker of hugely popular online games including Farmville, that have been thrust into the internet limelight in the space of a few short years.

Some of the most prominent start-ups are preparing for stockmarket listings or are being bought by big firms with deep pockets. On May 9th LinkedIn, a social network for professionals that took in revenue of $243m last year, set the terms of its imminent initial public offering (IPO) on the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE), which value it at up to $3.3 billion. The next day Microsoft said it was buying Skype, an internet calling and video service, for $8.5 billion (see article).
New York Stock Exchange
Other firms such as Groupon, which provides online coupons to its subscribers, are likely to go public soon. The return of big internet IPOs, rarities since a bubble in telecoms and internet stocks burst in 2000, and the resurgence of large mergers and acquisitions among technology firms is dividing opinion in the industry. Some veterans see a new bubble forming in the valuations of start-ups and a handful of more mature firms such as Twitter, which is still hunting for a satisfactory business model five years after the first tweet. More sanguine voices retort that many young companies have exciting prospects and that there are plenty of corporate buyers, such as Microsoft, with the money and confidence to snap up older internet firms still in private hands.

Technology, finance and China

Yet both sides agree that the internet world is being transformed by a number of powerful forces, three of which stand out. First, technological progress has made it much simpler and cheaper to try out myriad bright ideas for online businesses. Second, a new breed of rich investors has been keen to back those ideas. And, third, this boom is much more global than the last one; Chinese internet firms are causing as much excitement as American ones.

Start with technology. Moore’s law, which holds that the number of transistors that can be put on a single computer chip doubles roughly every 18 months, has continued to work its magic, leading to the proliferation of ever more capable and affordable consumer devices. Some of today’s tablet computers and smartphones are more powerful than personal computers were a decade ago. IDC, a research firm, estimates that around 450m smartphones will be shipped worldwide this year, up from 303m in 2010.

Moore’s law also underpins the growth of “cloud” services, such as Apple’s iTunes music store, which can be reached from almost any device, almost anywhere. Such services are hosted in data centres, the factories of the cloud, which are crammed with hundreds of thousands of servers, whose price has plunged as their processing power has soared. Everything is connected ever faster, with ever fewer wires.

These technological trends have given rise to new “platforms”—computing bases on which other companies can build services. Examples include operating systems for smartphones and social networks such as Facebook and LinkedIn. Some of them are used by hundreds of millions of people. And the platforms are generating oceans of data from smartphones, sensors and other devices.

These platforms are vast spaces of digital opportunity. Perhaps the most striking example of the innovation they have sparked is the outpouring of downloadable software applications, or “apps”, for smartphones and computers. Apple’s App Store, a mere three years old, offers more than 300,000 of them. Users of Facebook are installing them at a rate of 20m a day. Services such as Skype have also benefited from the spread of smart devices and lightning-fast connectivity.

Some excited people have likened this technological upheaval to the Cambrian explosion 500m years ago, when evolution on Earth speeded up in part because the cell had been perfected and standardised. They may be exaggerating. Even so, creating a web firm has become much easier. By tapping into cheap cloud-computing capacity and by using platforms to reach millions of potential customers, a company can be up and running for thousands of dollars rather than the millions needed in the 1990s.

Guardian angels

Thanks to the boom’s second driving force, finance, these companies have no shortage of eager backers. Although too small to interest many venture-capital firms, they are being fought over by wealthy individual investors, or “angels” in the venture industry’s jargon. Many of these financiers made their fortunes during the 1990s bubble and are eager to put their know-how and cash behind today’s tiny companies.

Some “super angels”, such as Aydin Senkut, a former Google employee who runs Felicis Ventures, and Mike Maples, a software entrepreneur who oversees a firm called Floodgate, are occasionally making bets comparable to those of conventional venture funds, which gather and invest money from a wide range of institutional investors. Individual investments of up to $1m are not uncommon. Sometimes angels are clubbing together to provide young firms with even larger sums.

Their cumulative impact is staggering. According to the Centre for Venture Research at the University of New Hampshire, angel investors in America pumped about $20 billion into young firms last year, up from $17.6 billion in 2009. That is not far off the $22 billion that America’s National Venture Capital Association says its members invested in 2010. Much of the angels’ money has gone to consumer-internet firms and makers of software apps.

The financing of more mature tech start-ups has also changed. Elite venture-capital firms such as Andreessen Horowitz and Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers have raised billions of dollars in new funds in the past year or so. Some of this money has been pumped into “late-stage” investments (eg, in Twitter and Skype), allowing companies to remain private and independent for longer than used to be the norm.

Venture firms are not the only ones with internet companies in their sights. Some would argue that it was DST, a Russian holding company now renamed, and a related investment fund, DST Global, that set off the boom. In 2009, when most investors in America were sitting on their hands, both poured hundreds of millions of dollars into fast-growing prospects there such as Facebook and Groupon. Those investments seem likely to pay off handsomely.

American hedge funds, private-equity firms and even some mutual funds have followed, falling over one another in pursuit of the shares of popular internet companies. Investment banks including Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase have also set up funds to help rich clients buy stakes.

Their task has been made easier by the advent of secondary markets in America, such as SharesPost and SecondMarket, that allow professional investors to trade the equity of private companies more efficiently. They have also made it simpler for employees and angel investors to offload some shares—and have enabled the world at large to observe a remarkable rise in valuations (see chart 1).

American consumer-internet companies have not been the only beneficiaries of this flood of cash. The boom’s third driving force is the rapid globalisation of the industry. Europe, which has at long last developed an entrepreneurial ecosystem worthy of the name, is home to several impressive firms. These include Spotify, an Anglo-Swedish music-streaming service with more than 10m registered users, and Vente Privée, a French clothing discounter with annual revenue of some $1 billion.

Much more striking, however, is that the latest round of euphoria involves emerging markets that were mere spectators during the last one, above all China. The country boasts not only the world’s biggest online population, but also its fastest-growing. The number of internet users there will rise from 457m last year to more than 700m in 2015, according to the Boston Consulting Group (BCG). And the Chinese are no longer mostly playing games, but are diving into lots of other online activities, notably shopping. Between 2010 and 2015, predicts BCG, China’s e-commerce market will more than quadruple, from $71 billion to $305 billion—which could make it the world’s largest.

Such forecasts have stimulated plenty of venture capital, both foreign and domestic. Albeit with a dip in 2009, the amount raised by Chinese venture funds has grown sharply, rising from nearly $4 billion in 2006 to more than $11 billion in 2010 according to Zero2IPO, a research firm. The sum invested increased from $1.8 billion to nearly $5.4 billion. Much of this went into internet start-ups.

Investors have also been desperate for shares in Chinese companies listed on American stock exchanges (see table). Since the start of the year the share prices of the biggest of these firms have risen by more than a third, according to iChina Stock, a website. Baidu, China’s largest search engine, has seen its share price climb from about $60 to $150 in the past 12 months, taking its market capitalisation to nearly $50 billion. Tencent, which makes most of its money from online games, is worth about the same. Both are among the world’s top five internet firms by stockmarket value. The ten biggest Chinese companies have a combined worth of $150 billion, not much less than Google’s.

They tend to sparkle on their debuts. When Youku, China’s largest online-video company, listed its shares on December 8th its stock jumped by 161%, the biggest gain by a newcomer to the NYSE for five years. The share price of Dangdang, an online retailer floated on the same day, almost doubled. And on May 4th Renren, a social network, saw its share price rise by 29% on the first day of trading, though it has fallen back almost to where it started.

The experience of Chinese firms in America has encouraged other emerging-market internet companies to consider IPOs there. On the day LinkedIn revealed the terms of its offering, Yandex, a Russian search engine, said it would soon raise $1.1 billion by listing its shares on the tech-heavy NASDAQ stockmarket.

Those who think that talk of a new tech bubble is misleading point out that firms such as LinkedIn and Renren have proven business models and healthy revenues. Many internet firms that went public in the late 1990s could not say the same. Moreover, the price-earnings multiples at which other public companies in the technology sector are trading are nowhere near as frothy as they were before the last bubble burst in 2000. That should limit excesses in valuing private firms.

Bubble in the making?

This has led some venture capitalists to argue that 2011 may be more like 1995 than 1999: if a bubble is inflating, it is a long way from popping. So investors who shun internet firms now may be missing a great chance to mint money. Jeffrey Bussgang of Flybridge Capital Partners, a venture firm, notes that venture funds raised between 1995 and 1997 enjoyed stellar returns.

Others point to signs of bubbliness. For instance, some start-up firms are dangling multi-million-dollar pay packages in order to tempt star programmers from Google, Microsoft and other big companies. They are chasing scarce skills when the broader technology industry is on a roll. The NASDAQ index may be far below the heights of March 2000, but it has bounced back from the global downturn; and the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco’s Tech Pulse Index, which measures the vibrancy of America’s tech industry, is near its peak of 11 years ago (see chart 2).

There are also signs of irrational exuberance among some investors. Color, a photo-sharing and social-networking start-up, has been reportedly valued at around $100m by venture firms, even though it has an untested product in a crowded market. Competition among angel investors has helped drive up valuations of social-media start-ups by more than 50% in the past 12 months. Financiers are sometimes skimping on due diligence in the scramble to win deals. In China, too, the purported worth of young firms has risen breathtakingly fast—to an average of $15m-20m in first-round venture financings, which is expensive even by Silicon Valley’s standards.

The danger in all this is that investors lose sight of the risks to the value of internet companies. These are greatest in China. Competition there is intense and users are fickle. Moreover, Chinese firms must wrestle with thorny regulatory and political issues. The government has yet to shut down a listed web company and firms are usually masters of self-censorship. But any move against them could have broad repercussions for all Chinese internet stocks.

European and American internet start-ups do not face a similar threat. But they are still vulnerable to inflated expectations. “Every bubble is a game of musical chairs,” says Steve Blank, a former serial entrepreneur who teaches at Stanford. The trick is to sell or float companies just before the music stops and the bubble bursts. If some of the hopefuls of Pier 38 can do just that, they may one day be able to afford a yacht or two of their own.

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3652  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Fed, Monetary Policy, Inflation, US Dollar, & Gold/Silver on: May 13, 2011, 01:36:47 PM
Silver manipulated.  Well just around the time of the crash was the word coming out that Soros had sold.  Naturally he than probably took a short position so he made money on the way up, sold, then let the word out *he* is selling then makes money on the way down.  He than adds to his billions pays for his liberal/business concerns and tells us how easy it is to make money.

So what else is new?  Puppet master?  No not him.  Just a general all around philantropist/humanitarian.  I just wish he wsn't Jewish.

***Silver Was 'manipulated' Down, Sprott Says
By Alistair Barr

Published May 12, 2011
|LAS VEGAS -- Silver has been manipulated down in recent weeks, Eric Sprott, head of Sprott Asset Management, said Thursday. Silver slumped by $6 in 13 minutes late on a recent Sunday, when the market was thinnest, Sprott noted during the SkyBridge Alternatives Conference in Las Vegas. That was followed by four margin increases, Sprott added. Sprott recently launched a silver fund and has been a gold bull for at least a decade. Despite the recent drop in precious metals, Sprott reckons they are a good way to protect against trouble in the banking system and a potential devaluation of the U.S. dollar and other paper currencies. "The market has judged the world's reserve currency as gold," he said on Thursday.

Copyright © 2011 MarketWatch, Inc.***
3653  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Gilder on Israel on: May 11, 2011, 08:48:29 PM
From Wikepedia:

***The Israel Test
Gilder's 2009 book The Israel Test is partly described as follows:

“ Gilder reveals Israel as a leader of human civilization, technological progress, and scientific advance. Tiny Israel stands behind only the United States in its contributions to the hi-tech economy. Israel has become the world's paramount example of the blessings of freedom. ”

—Amazon book description.

Founder of Neoconservatism, Irving Kristol, says about the book: "Everyone talks about 'free enterprise' but no one understands the entrepeneurial basics of growth better than George Gilder." While conservative commentator Rush Limbaugh says: "My friends, it would behoove you to study everything you can get your hands on by George Gilder, a true American genius."[26]

In an interview for National Review about the book, Gilder says the book is about "the cosmic law between success and envy". He further states Israel's role as:

“ Western civilization, in part, originated in Israel. Now Israel is a crucial source of invention, military intelligence, and entrepeneurial creativity that may yet save the West. I believe Netanyahu is a Churchillian figure emerging at the perfect time to confront the Jihad. ”

—George Gilder, National Review interview July 2009: "Choosing the Chosen People - Anti-Semitism is essentially hatred of capitalism and excellence."[27]***

3654  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Jim Rogers on: May 11, 2011, 08:36:13 PM

Jim Rogers
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James Beeland Rogers, Jr.
Born October 19, 1942 (1942-10-19) (age 68)
Baltimore, Maryland, USA[1]
Alma mater Balliol College, Oxford
Yale University
Occupation Financial investor, author
James Beeland Rogers, Jr. (born October 19, 1942) is an American investor and author based in Singapore. He is chairman of Rogers Holdings and Beeland Interests, Inc. He was the co-founder of the Quantum Fund with George Soros and creator of the Rogers International Commodities Index (RICI).

Rogers is an outspoken proponent of the free market, but he does not consider himself a member of any school of thought. Rogers acknowledges, however, that his views best fit the label of Austrian School of economics.[2]

Rogers was born in Baltimore, Maryland and raised in Demopolis, Alabama.[1][3] He started in business at the age of five by selling peanuts and by picking up empty bottles that fans left behind at baseball games. He got his first job on Wall Street, at Dominick & Dominick, after graduating with a bachelor's degree from Yale University in 1964. Rogers then acquired a second BA degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics from Balliol College, Oxford University in 1966.

In 1970, Rogers joined Arnhold and S. Bleichroder. In 1973, Rogers co-founded the Quantum Fund with George Soros. During the following 10 years, the portfolio gained 4200% while the S&P advanced about 47%.[4] The Quantum Fund was one of the first truly international funds.

In 1980, Rogers decided to "retire", and spent some of his time traveling on a motorcycle around the world. Since then, he has been a guest professor of finance at the Columbia University Graduate School of Business.[citation needed]

In 1989 and 1990, Rogers was the moderator of WCBS' The Dreyfus Roundtable and FNN's The Profit Motive with Jim Rogers. From 1990 to 1992, he traveled through China again, as well as around the world, on motorcycle, over 100,000 miles (160,000 km) across six continents, which was picked up in the Guinness Book of World Records. He tells of his adventures and worldwide investments in Investment Biker, a bestselling investment book.

In 1998, Rogers founded the Rogers International Commodity Index. In 2007, the index and its three sub-indices were linked to exchange-traded notes under the banner ELEMENTS. The notes track the total return of the indices as an accessible way to invest in the index. Rogers is an outspoken advocate of agriculture investments and, in addition to the Rogers Commodity Index, is involved with two direct, farmland investment funds - Agrifirma,[5] based in Brazil, and Agcapita Farmland Investment Partnership,[6] based in Canada.

Between January 1, 1999 and January 5, 2002, Rogers did another Guinness World Record journey through 116 countries, covering 245,000 kilometers with his wife, Paige Parker, in a custom-made Mercedes. The trip began in Iceland, which was about to celebrate the 1000th anniversary of Leif Eriksson's first trip to America. On January 5, 2002, they were back in New York City and their home on Riverside Drive. His route around the world can be viewed on his website, He wrote Adventure Capitalist following this around-the-world adventure. It is currently his bestselling book.

On his return in 2002, Rogers became a regular guest on Fox News' Cavuto on Business which airs every Saturday.[7] In 2005, Rogers wrote Hot Commodities: How Anyone Can Invest Profitably in the World's Best Market. In this book, Rogers quotes a Financial Analysts Journal academic paper co-authored by Yale School of Management professor, Geert Rouwenhorst, entitled Facts and Fantasies about Commodity Futures. Rogers contends this paper shows that commodities investment is one of the best investments over time, which is a concept somewhat at odds with conventional investment thinking.

In December 2007, Rogers sold his mansion in New York City for about 16 million USD and moved to Singapore. Rogers claimed that he moved because now is a ground-breaking time for investment potential in Asian markets. Rogers's first daughter is now being tutored in Mandarin to prepare her for the future. He is quoted as saying: "If you were smart in 1807 you moved to London, if you were smart in 1907 you moved to New York City, and if you are smart in 2007 you move to Asia." In a CNBC interview with Maria Bartiromo broadcast on May 5, 2008, Rogers said that people in China are extremely motivated and driven, and he wants to be in that type of environment, so his daughters are motivated and driven. He also stated that this is how America and Europe used to be. He chose not to move to Chinese cities like Hong Kong or Shanghai due to the high levels of pollution causing potential health problems for his family; hence, he chose Singapore. He has also advocated investing in certain smaller Asian frontier markets such as Sri Lanka and Cambodia, and currently serves as an Advisor to Leopard Capital’s Leopard Sri Lanka Fund.[8] However, he is not fully bullish on all Asian nations, as he remains skeptical of India's future - "India as we know it will not survive another 30 or 40 years".[9] In 2008 Rogers endorsed Ron Paul.[10]

Rogers has two daughters with Paige Parker. Hilton Augusta(nicknamed Happy) was born in 2003, and their second daughter Beeland Anderson in 2008. His latest book, A Gift To My Children, contains lessons in life for his daughters as well as investment advice and was published in 2009.

On November 4, 2010, at Oxford University’s Balliol College, he urged students to scrap career plans for Wall Street or the City, London’s financial district, and to study agriculture and mining instead. “The power is shifting again from the financial centers to the producers of real goods. The place to be is in commodities, raw materials, natural resources."[11]

In February 2011 Rogers announced that he has started a new index fund which focuses on "the top companies in agriculture, mining, metals and energy sectors as well as those in the alternative energy space including solar, wind and hydro."[12] The index is called The Rogers Global Resources Equity Index and the best and most liquid companies, according to Rogers, go into the index.

[edit] Books
1995: Investment Biker: Around the World with Jim Rogers. - ISBN 1-55850-529-6
2003: Adventure Capitalist: The Ultimate Road Trip. - ISBN 0375509127
2004: Hot Commodities: How Anyone Can Invest Profitably in the World's Best Market. - ISBN 140006337X
2007: A Bull in China: Investing Profitably in the World's Greatest Market. - ISBN 1400066166
2009: A Gift to My Children: A Father's Lessons For Life And Investing. - ISBN 1400067545
3655  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / "Allahu Akbar!" translation, "I need to piss" on: May 10, 2011, 03:01:44 PM
"Allahu Akbar!"

 It is my understanding that Islamic tradition holds one should scream, "God is great" when one tries to go potty.

****Lead StoryNothing to see here, move along
By Michelle Malkin  •  May 10, 2011 09:29 AM
Photo taken by passenger Andrew Wai

Look, up in the air: Classic symptoms of what Daniel Pipes calls “Sudden Jihad Syndrome”.

If you see something, say something — and do something. Fortunately, the crew and passengers of AA Flight 1561 did — tackling a nutball Yemeni Muslim shouting “Allahu Akbar” as he beat on the cockpit door of their plane.

Now, watch law enforcement authorities downplay the incident as nothing-burger:

The passengers sat stunned as they watched a man walk quickly toward the front of American Airlines Flight 1561 as it was descending toward San Francisco. He was screaming and then began pounding on the cockpit door.

“I kept saying to myself: ‘What’s he doing? Does he have a bomb? Is he armed?’” passenger Angelina Marty said.

Within moments Sunday, a flight attendant tackled Rageh Almurisi. Authorities do not yet have a motive.

While authorities said that Almurisi, 28, of Vallejo, Calif., has no clear or known ties to terrorism, the incident underscored fears that extremists may try to mount attacks to retaliate for the death of al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden last week.

Federal agents are investigating Almurisi’s background. He was carrying a Yemeni passport and a California identification card, authorities said.

…Marty, 35, recalled that she and other passengers on the plane were stunned when they saw Almurisi walking down the aisle. She said a woman in a row across from her who speaks Arabic translated that Almurisi said “God is Great!” in Arabic.

Andrew Wai, another passenger, told KGO-TV on Monday that the wife of one of the men who took Almurisi down later said Almurisi was yelling “Allahu Akbar.”

“There was no question in everybody’s mind that he was going to do something,” Marty said.

A male flight attendant tackled Almurisi, and other crew members and passengers, including a retired Secret Service agent and a retired San Mateo police officer, helped subdue him as he banged on the door, police said. The flight attendant put plastic handcuffs on him.
Funny how you can scream “Allahu Akbar” at the top of your lungs and still have authorities proclaim your motives unknown.

It’s not the first time.

3656  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: May 10, 2011, 02:29:49 PM
  I didn't see it, did anyone?

I saw parts of it.  Pawlenty sounded good and Cain also did.

Both Pawlenty and Cain were very good to me.

Cain is so articulate and does indeed have the charisma.

Pawlenty to me sounded good.  One of the interviewers tried to trap him on his early support for cap and trade.
I believe he answered that well.  The interviewer kind of did rightfully say that he may as well ask it because it will certainly be a knock against him later in the campaign.

If Tim is a good learner and practices and works at it I think he has a good shot at being a very good candidate.  He doesn't have to show all his cards now but if he can take on the Phoney One like trump he will win.

This race is the Republicans race to lose.  Obama has a dismal record and has done his best to worsen this country.  I don't see how he could win other than by default.

I still think a key to winning is addressing middle class concerns.  Repubs can ignore the squeeze on the middle class at their own peril.  The libs are already turning this into one of their big issues. 
3657  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Shania Twain to find her voice- actually waiting till the middle men steal.... on: May 10, 2011, 11:12:17 AM
...her the material.. She really isn't doing new songs because she doesn't have any or any that she has obtained without evidence that someone else wrote them. IF she was such a creative talent - believe me - she would be singing and selling and promoting.

FWIW this story is total BS.  Of course the niave American public will believe it.  The reason that Twain is not coming out with any new songs is that she has not been able to buy any.   She can't write to save her life.  Katherine has not left our house in years guarding what would certainly be some lyrics that professional thieves would steal and sell of to Twain.  It has nothing to do about "finding her voice".  It is amazing the phoney stories and excuses these people will come up with to give to the naive public.

Katherine and I are watched 24/7.  There is so much money involved it is no problem to pay people round the clock to watch us.  They move into the neighborhood and appear to go about regular lives while all the time they are watching.  I know who some are but there is really not a thing I can do about it.

We almost put down one of our three dogs last week.  Around two days later on squak box on CSNBC which Katherine watches most days Aaron Burnett read something off the teleprompter to the effect that lets take a poll if you would get another dog if yours dies.  They do this all the time to us.  Occasionally it is likely coincidence but much of the time it is someone contacting whoever controls what these news people say over the teleprompter.  Someone even commented when she said this something to the effect that it must be an "inside joke".  I read how everyone everywhere will have everything about them monitored because of the electronic devices.   I promise everyone you do not want to ever become a target.  You will live in a suffering tortuous world like we do.  Like OBL lived in hiding in a house is like Katherine lives trying to ptrotect her lyrics.  We committed no crimes.  The crimes are against us.

****Shania Twain Desperate To Find Her Voice Through Tv Show
Country music star Shania Twain's vocal problems became so bad following the break-up of her marriage to producer Mutt Lange, she couldn't even sing in the shower.

The You're The One hitmaker admits she lost the ability to express herself after discovering her husband was romancing her best friend the day after he served her with divorce papers.

In the debut of her new TV series Why Not?, which aired in America on Sunday night (08May11), she says, "I came to the realisation that I had lost my ability to express myself and my ability to sing.

"It physically will not come out of my voice... I couldn't even sing to myself, I couldn't sing in the shower.

"It wasn't one crisis that did it; it's just been a very progressive thing... What if I can never sing again?"

The new show chronicled Twain's efforts to get her singing voice back. The programme's blurb reads: "In the summer of 2010, Shania started a journey to heal herself, inspire others, and find her voice."

On the show, Twain assembles a group made up of family and friends to help inspire her as she plucks up the courage to get back onstage. The group includes her cousin Kenny, who taught the singer to play guitar, her sister Carrie-Ann and her longtime bandmate Cory Churko.****

3658  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Newt-net savvy on: May 10, 2011, 10:27:43 AM
 grin   I am glad he is running as per recent rumours.
3659  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / nations of origin on: May 10, 2011, 10:22:35 AM
3660  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / illegals by state 2000 census; real number prob. almost double or more on: May 10, 2011, 10:16:16 AM
Showing latest available data. Rank   States    Amount   
# 1    California: 2,209,000   
# 2    Texas: 1,041,000   
# 3    New York: 489,000   
# 4    Illinois: 432,000   
# 5    Florida: 337,000   
# 6    Arizona: 283,000   
# 7    Georgia: 228,000   
# 8    New Jersey: 221,000   
# 9    North Carolina: 206,000   
# 10    Colorado: 144,000   
# 11    Washington: 136,000   
# 12    Virginia: 103,000   
# 13    Nevada: 101,000   
# 14    Oregon: 90,000   
# 15    Massachusetts: 87,000   
# 16    Michigan: 70,000   
# 17    Utah: 65,000   
# 18    Minnesota: 60,000   
# 19    Maryland: 56,000   
# 20    Pennsylvania: 49,000   
# 21    Kansas: 47,000   
= 22    Tennessee: 46,000   
= 22    Oklahoma: 46,000   
# 24    Indiana: 45,000   
# 25    Wisconsin: 41,000   
# 26    Ohio: 40,000   
= 27    Connecticut: 39,000   
= 27    New Mexico: 39,000   
# 29    South Carolina: 36,000   
# 30    Arkansas: 27,000   
= 31    Alabama: 24,000   
= 31    Iowa: 24,000   
= 31    Nebraska: 24,000   
# 34    Missouri: 22,000   
# 35    Idaho: 19,000   
# 36    Rhode Island: 16,000   
# 37    Kentucky: 15,000   
# 38    Delaware: 10,000   
# 39    Mississippi: 8,000   
# 40    District of Columbia: 7,000   
= 41    Louisiana: 5,000   
= 41    Alaska: 5,000   
# 43    Hawaii: 2,000   
 Total: 6,994,000   
 Weighted average: 162,651.2   

DEFINITION: Estimated number of Illegal Immigrants. Latest available data - 2000 Census. Eight other States --Maine, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, West Virginia, and Wyoming --each had fewer than 2,500 estimated unauthorized residents in 1990 and 2000. The US Citizenship ad Immigration Services also highlights that the illegal immigrant population in America grows by approximatley a half a million each year. Taken into account, the current illegal immigrant population is between 9 and 11 million people.

SOURCE: US Citizenship and Immigration Services, field report, 2000.
3661  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / SF not cooperating with illegal immigratin enforcement on: May 10, 2011, 09:26:54 AM
Remarkable how the liberals have their heads on backwards.  The liberal media will go after ARizona for trying to enforce the borders when the Feds will not.  Yet when San Fran refuses to cooperate with the Feds in *enforcing* illegal immigration not a peep from the MSM.  No doubt if illegals were predominantly potential Republicans we would hear the outrage broadcasted coast to coast.  And of course here it comes.  The phoney One, is now going to Texas for his "reform" immigration tour to garner more votes.  Without Fox would any of us ever heard of this.  "Immigration reform" = code for secrue more Democrat voters:

***San Francisco to Stop Detaining Arrested Immigrants for Deportation

Published May 07, 2011
| In this July 26, 2010 photo,Senior Deputy Jerry Anttila looks at a set of fingerprints for an unidentified suspect during the booking process at the Arapahoe County Justice Center in Centennial, Colo. (AP)
San Francisco, one of the first sanctuary cities in the nation, plans to end its cooperation with federal immigration officials and start releasing illegal immigrants arrested for minor offenses before they can be picked up for deportation.

The city's decision is the latest development in a tug of war between several communities and the federal government over its controversial national program that automatically checks the immigration status of arrestees.

Officials in jurisdictions including Providence, R.I., and Chicago have also challenged the program, which they say undermines trust that it has taken local law enforcement years to build in immigrant communities.

California and Illinois lawmakers are considering measures to let communities retreat from the so-called "Secure Communities" program, which links up the FBI's criminal database and the Department of Homeland Security's records so that every time someone is arrested their immigration status is automatically, electronically checked.

Washington state has deferred to local governments on whether they want to join program overseen by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

But their efforts could be thwarted as federal officials argue that states have no control over what information is shared among federal agencies.

In the absence of a nationwide fix on immigration, the tension between states and the federal government has been simmering in recent years. In the last four years, states have passed a flurry of bills and resolutions on issues ranging from employer verification to access to driver's licenses, most notably Arizona's tough local immigration enforcement law.

Immigrant advocates have lambasted ICE's fingerprint sharing program for sweeping up crime victims and witnesses who are arrested during an investigation in addition to those accused of committing a crime. About 29 percent of the 102,000 immigrants deported under the program since it began in 2008 have no criminal conviction, according to federal government statistics.

Between October 2008 and March 2011, more than 7 million people who have been arrested have had their fingerprints run through the ICE program. Roughly 197,000 were identified as suspected illegal immigrants, and nearly 40 percent of those were in California, according to statistics provided by ICE.

In San Francisco, Sheriff Michael Hennessey told the San Francisco Examiner he is making the change effective June 1 to comply with the city's sanctuary ordinance.

The law, which has caused tension between local and federal authorities, prohibits officials from assisting ICE in cases that do not involve felonies.

The city currently keeps low-level offenders ICE has identified as illegal immigrants through fingerprints until immigration officials collect them. The Examiner reports that 111 inmates were detained for deportation between last June and February.

ICE spokeswoman Virginia Kice told the newspaper that Hennessey's decision was unfortunate.

Immigration attorney Francisco Hernandez told Fox News on Saturday that the city still has to hold suspects for 72 hours if federal immigration officials ask.

"That is the law," he said. "The question is whether they are going to be reporting people that are committing speeding tickets or small violations rather than the felonies or criminal people that should be deported under the criminal alien program."

Hernandez said that approach is the one being used across the country.

But Mike Cutter, a former senior special agent for the now defunct U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS), sought to highlight the significance of the program by estimating that about half of the FBI's 10 most wanted get arrested for motor vehicle violations.

"If you have somebody in custody who is an illegal alien, it's important that immigration does get notified," he said, arguing that the debate is minimizing the reason for immigration laws in the first place. He said the law lists categories of illegal immigrants that cross the border because they know they couldn't get through the inspections process, including terrorists, drug dealers, pedophiles, human rights violators and war criminals.

"So if you have somebody who ran the border, somebody whose presence is illegal and you have them in custody, it's in everyone's best interest, including the people in the immigrant communities who very often fall victim to criminal aliens, to have ICE pick them and let ICE make a determination as to whether or not these folks are a priority to remove," he said.

But Hernandez said law enforcement does not have the resources to arrest everyone stopped for a speeding ticket.

"We have to focus our resources on things that are more serious and people that have actual criminal warrants for serious offenses," he said.

The debate over the ICE program is playing out across the country as federal authorities aim to achieve nationwide coverage in 2013. It currently is in effect in more than 1,200 jurisdictions in 42 states.

Immigration officials say the goal is to ensure illegal immigrants who commit crimes are flagged and deported. Nationwide, about 26 percent of those deported under program have been convicted of major drug offenses or violent crimes.

Some communities have welcomed the program as a cost savings measure and a way to ensure illegal immigrants who commit crimes are not released back into their neighborhoods. In Colorado, for example, lawmakers were considering a measure to withhold funding from localities that refused to participate, but it failed.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.***
3662  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: May 09, 2011, 02:38:58 PM
good video. grin
3663  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Afghanistan-Pakistan on: May 09, 2011, 11:46:45 AM
Will calls the war on terror a misnomer and it is more properly a law enforcement action.  I don't know what planet he is living on but I hardly think LAPD swat would have been able to carry off the raid of the OBL compound.  Actually the war on terror is a hybrid military-law enforcement endeavor: 

****The small footprint that eliminated bin Laden

By George Will | Osama bin Laden’s death was announced by the president on May 1, a date that once had worldwide significance on the revolutionary calendar of communism, which was America’s absorbing national security preoccupation prior to Islamic terrorism. Times change.

Barack Obama, in his pitch-perfect address informing the nation that bin Laden is as dead as communism — never mind the cadaverous Cuban and North Korean regimes — rightly stressed that this is “the most significant achievement to date” against al-Qaeda, but that it “does not mark the end of” our effort to defeat that amorphous entity. Perhaps, however, America can use this occasion to draw a deep breath and some pertinent conclusions.

Many salient facts about the tracking of terrorism’s most prolific killer to his lair — some lair: not a remote cave but an urban compound — must remain shrouded in secrecy, for now. But one surmise seems reasonable: bin Laden was brought down by intelligence gathering that more resembles excellent police work than a military operation.

Granted, in nations as violent as Afghanistan and Pakistan, the line between military operations and police work is blurry, and military and other forms of intelligence gathering cannot be disentangled. Still, the enormous military footprint in Afghanistan, next door to bin Laden’s Pakistan refuge, seems especially disproportionate in the wake of his elimination by a small cadre of specialists.


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Jim Lacey of the Marine Corps War College notes that Gen. David Petraeus has said there are perhaps about 100 al-Qaeda fighters in Afghanistan. “Did anyone,” Lacey asks, “do the math?” There are, he says, more than 140,000 coalition soldiers in Afghanistan, or 1,400 for every al-Qaeda fighter. It costs about $1 million a year to deploy and support every soldier — or up to $140 billion, or close to $1.5 billion a year, for each al-Qaeda fighter. “In what universe do we find strategists to whom this makes sense?”

There remains much more to al-Qaeda than bin Laden, and there are many more tentacles to the terrorism threat than al-Qaeda and its affiliates. So “the long war” must go on. But perhaps such language is bewitching our minds, because this is not essentially war.

During the 2004 presidential campaign, John Kerry received much derision for his belief (as expressed in a Jan. 29 debate in South Carolina) that although the war on terror will be “occasionally military,” it is “primarily an intelligence and law enforcement operation that requires cooperation around the world.” Kerry, as paraphrased by the New York Times Magazine of Oct. 10, thought “many of the interdiction tactics that cripple drug lords, including governments working jointly to share intelligence, patrol borders and force banks to identify suspicious customers, can also be some of the most useful tools in the war on terror.” True then; even more obviously true now.

Again: Granted, the distinction between military and law enforcement facets is not a bright line. But neither is it a distinction without a difference. And the more we couch our thinking in military categories, the more we open ourselves to misadventures like the absurd and deepening one in Libya.

There, our policy — if what seem to be hourly improvisations can be dignified as a policy — began as a no-fly zone to protect civilians from wanton violence. Seven weeks later, our policy is to decapitate the government by long-distance assassination and to intensify a civil war in that tribal society, in the name of humanitarianism. What makes this particularly surreal is that it is being done by NATO.

Unpack the acronym: North Atlantic Treaty Organization. NATO was created in 1949 to protect Western Europe from the Red Army. Its purpose was, in Lord Ismay’s famous formulation, “to keep the Russians out, the Americans in and the Germans down.” NATO, which could long ago have unfurled a “mission accomplished” banner, has now become an instrument of addlepated mischief.

This is an episode of presidential malpractice. Obama has allowed NATO to be employed for the advancement of a half-baked doctrine (R2P — “responsibility to protect”), a quarter-baked rationalization (was it just in March that Hillary Clinton discovered that a vital U.S. national interest required the removal of Moammar Gaddafi because he “is a man who has no conscience”?) and an unworthy national agenda (France’s pursuit of grandeur on the cheap).

When this Libyan mistake is finished, America needs a national debate about whether NATO should be finished. Times change.****

3664  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / legitimate on: May 09, 2011, 09:43:45 AM
""I think the point of the editorial was that the Indian American governor of Louisiana should not be worried about people's origins and birthplaces. That's one of the great things about this country."

Bobby Jindal's parents were at least here legally. 

Now it is no longer legitimate to question someone's birth place?  At least Jindal didn't cynically withold the information.  He immediately released the birth certificate when the issue was brought up.  Unlike the coniver in chief.

****Louisiana governor Jindal caught in birther flap
 Sat May 7, 8:24 pm ET
NEW ORLEANS (Reuters) – A photo of Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal's birth certificate was published by a newspaper on Saturday even though there is no doubt the Indian American Republican was born in the United States.

Jindal, who is not running for president in 2012 but is mentioned as a possible vice presidential running mate, released the certificate to prove a newspaper editorial wrong.

Jindal was born in the United States to Indian immigrant parents who held green cards at the time.

The flap started when Jindal said last month that he would sign a state bill, if it reached his desk, that would require candidates for federal office on the Louisiana ballot to show proof of birth in the U.S.

The bill was a response to doubts about President Barack Obama's Hawaii birth raised by possible Republican presidential candidates such as businessman Donald Trump. Obama recently released his full birth certificate to squelch the doubts.

After Jindal endorsed the Louisiana "birther" bill, the Baton Rouge daily newspaper, The Advocate, on April 22 published a critical editorial.

"Piyush Amrit Jindal is the last man in America who should give his blessing to a birther bill," the editorial said.

Jindal's office angrily responded that the newspaper had got the governor's middle name wrong. "Amrit," was the name of an ancient Middle East city, Jindal's office said, and not his middle name.

Jindal offered to release his birth certificate to prove it. The Advocate received the birth certificate, apologized for use of an "incorrect middle name" and removed "Amrit" from the online version of the editorial.

Asked about the incident, The Advocate Executive Editor Carl Redman told Reuters, "I think the point of the editorial was that the Indian American governor of Louisiana should not be worried about people's origins and birthplaces. That's one of the great things about this country."

But the incident lived on when the New Orleans Times-Picayune on Saturday ran a photo of the birth certificate and a long article about the details of his parents' entry into the United States.

The birth certificate shows his name as only "Piyush Jindal" with no middle name. Jindal has long used the first name "Bobby."

Jindal's spokesman confirmed on Saturday the details in the article of his parents' arrival in the United States. They came on green cards secured by Jindal's engineer father, Amar Jindal, based on a 1965 law that allowed people with "exceptional ability in the sciences or arts" to enter the U.S. Jindal's mother Raj got a spouse green card.

Amar Jindal now works for a large engineering firm that has offices in Louisiana and around the country. Raj Jindal, who hold masters degrees in physics and nuclear engineering from Louisiana State University, is director of information technology in the Louisiana Department of Labor.

Bernie Pinsonat, a Baton Rouge political analyst and pollster, said the whole saga could confuse some people.

"I have no idea why he did this (release the certificate) except maybe he thinks he'll get some popularity points nationally," Pinsonat said. "Nobody in Louisiana doubts that he was born in the United States."

(Editing by Greg McCune)****

3665  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Colin Powell has lost me on: May 07, 2011, 12:12:07 PM
I still don't get it that Obama couldn't just release his birth certificate.  Questions absolutely were legitimate and he did not blow anyone away.  He again proved he put his own political agenda and cynicism and disdain for anyone who disagrees with him above the legitimate concerns of many Americans.  Powell who I have much less respect for is speaking to the choir here so I guess I expect too much...

Associated Press Susanne M. Schafer, Associated Press – Fri May 6, 10:32 pm ET
ORANGEBURG, S.C. – Colin Powell told graduates of South Carolina's premier historically black university that they were graduating during a tumultuous time that saw a royal wedding, a pope's beatification and a U.S. military assault that killed Osama bin Laden, "the worst person on earth."

But the former secretary of state and Joint Chiefs chairman told South Carolina State University's 400 graduates on Friday that he particularly enjoyed another recent event: "That was when President Obama took out his birth certificate and blew away Donald Trump and all the birthers!"

The stadium roared in approval of Powell's comments on the president's move last week to quell the doubts of those who don't believe he was born in Hawaii. The retired Army four-star general endorsed Obama's 2008 presidential bid.

Earlier Friday, Powell was made an honorary member of the school's ROTC hall of fame.

3666  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The congnitive dissonance of the left on: May 05, 2011, 03:55:55 PM

Well Lawrence of MSLSD played tapes of W saying roughly the same thing in 2002. 
I wonder if they were simply downplaying the embarrassment of not being able to find or catch him till now.

While it is certainly great to be rid of him I can't say I suddenly feel safe from Jihadists.
3667  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / moved to more appropraite thread on: May 04, 2011, 12:28:14 PM
Sorry.  this was supposed to the thread citizens defend themselves...  now moved there.
3668  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Kung fu for airline stewards? on: May 04, 2011, 12:27:07 PM
I took martial arts lessons in the early 80's and the insturctor who taught a modified ishinru style thought Kung Fu was not "effective" at stopping people.  He said he only knew one perhaps tow Kung Fu experts he would feel confident could handle themselves in a real life situation.  I am no expert.  Just wondering if this would be the best style for airline employees to train in for self defense:
3669  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: May 04, 2011, 12:25:20 PM
"My teenage daughter (non-political) watched the Sunday night speech separately and commented to me the next day that he was very 'I' and 'me' oriented."

She has her father's brains.  She is in the group that Lincoln would have said cannot be fooled all of the time or even most of the time! grin

Rusmussan poll shows no bounce unlike the NYTimes.

"We should act like winning battles and wars is what we do when attacked, not gloat, taunt for more or act surprised."

Well said.
3670  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Afghanistan-Pakistan on: May 04, 2011, 11:10:25 AM
"Obliterating the compound also would have denied U.S. warriors whatever intel they now glean from bin Laden's gear. Here's hoping that gear — and not that carry-on corpse — proves to be the raiders' real terror coup."

good point.  another reason this was a "no brainer" using GM's accurate description.

Mark Levin also questioned the reason for publicizing the retrieval of the infornation and the broad headlines promoting it as a "trove" and even counting the number of thumb drives, hard drives, discs and everything else.

Oh the success of it all.  All due to the ONE who "taught" Bush how to fight terror as per Lawrence of MSLSD last night.

All I can say is thank God for the brave and courageous men and women of our military.  We are so lucky to have people volunteer for our country and for the rest of us. 

I have a nephew going to Iraq next month but hopefully only for a few months.  My sister is already a nervous wreck.
3671  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Kung fu for airline stewards? on: May 04, 2011, 10:30:52 AM
I took martial arts lessons in the early 80's and the insturctor who taught a modified ishinru style thought Kung Fu was not "effective" at stopping people.  He said he only knew one perhaps tow Kung Fu experts he would feel confident could handle themselves in a real life situation.  I am no expert.  Just wondering if this would be the best style for airline employees to train in for self defense:
3672  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: May 04, 2011, 09:54:03 AM
Sorry, I should reread my comments before my post;
You can fool some of the people all of the time
3673  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / A great moment it is but the rest is show designed for the ONE on: May 04, 2011, 09:50:51 AM
It really was a "no brainer".

First of all he didn't just decide.

The powers to be had TEN yrs to figure these moments out.

OK look at the choice:

Bomb the smithireens out of a compound and not know who is killed hurt or maimed.  Not know for sure if he is there, if he is killed and have no evidence or proof of anything vs the ground mission which could risk the lives of the Seals, backfire or fail.  But then one could get proof OBL is there and captured or killed.  As to the relations with Pakistan nothing different either way.

Isn't the choice really a no brainer?  If it isn't enough, the liberal media is making this out to be the great commander in chief decision of the new millineum - which it isn't - they are now:

1) this dispells all doubt that he is relentless about the war on terror and is a great commander in chief
2) he was right all along to pursue OBL wherein Bush is replayed to say it is not a top priority  (as thought the hunt of OBL started when he "directed Panetta to make this a priority" which by the way wasn't that well past the start of his reign as king?
3) of course if he is right about this he is right about the rest of his policies
4)  O'Donnel was shamelessly saying Bush put us all through this for "ten years" by not getting OBL at Tora Tora  - he conveninetly left out the next logical conclusion (since he is going that route) is that Clinton put us through 911 by not letting Sudan turn over OBL to us in the 90's when he had the chance. (BTW O'Donnel is definitely the new Oberman.)
5) shopping around those convenient pictures showing the tense Bamster biting his nails etc as something to behold.  I don't recall the immediate release ever before of such pictures of a President.
6) To prove the greatness of the one he will now speak at ground zero?  At least Bush has the class to decline cashing in on this and has gracefully declined to be present.  Probably because he knows it will be a set up.  Him sitting in the front row while the king towers above him on the podium.  We all know what that means - remember Trump, Ryan, Supreme Court.

Now they say he is up several percent in the polls.  Well as Lincoln pointed out - you can fool all of the people some of the time.  Clinton certainly proved that with one speech.

Now all that said Bamster deserves some credit but lets not turn this into a success akin to WW2 invasion of Europe.
Except for the military the planned and carried out the operation.
3674  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: May 03, 2011, 01:34:36 PM
"They was no political gain for compromising or selling out on principles."

Great post and on this point you are exactly correct.  I though compromise was a good idea vis avis Bush W and Rove etc.

But I now realize that there is no compromise with the left.  It is never enough.  Every compromise will be met with more of a fanatic progressive agenda.   There is no end to their agenda until they have destroyed the USA as we know it.  One world government, no carbon fuels, one class, no personal responsibility, complete control.

Compromise from the right is met with being taken advantage of and being one step closer toward their vision of nirvana.

I say no more compromise.
3675  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The congnitive dissonance of the left on: May 03, 2011, 11:21:18 AM
“What distinguishes Obama particularly is the depth and carefulness of his thinking...” said Jonathan Haidt, a professor of social psychology at the University of Virginia. “He is a brilliant social and political analyst, which makes it harder for him to play hardball or to bluff.”  Obama’s strengths and weaknesses come from his high degree of “integrative complexity” — his ability to keep multiple variables and trade-offs in mind simultaneously."

Well this social psychologist needs his own head examined.

The BS is truly mind boggling and frustrating too.
3676  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: May 03, 2011, 11:16:06 AM
"Will Obama seize the advantage and press the war with the treasure trove of intel we now have?"

I dunno.  But he is already playing the lets use this moment to all get along card.  Like he did with Gabby.

Which is code for do what I want or you are not compromising.

A Bamster is a Bamster is a Bamster.

Did anyone notice the similarity of Bamster mocking Trump at the Press dinner (which is in itself and elitist joke) to how he had the Supreme Coutr Justices, and Ryan sitting in front of him will he towers on the podium and mock them.

Mock and belittle your oponents.  Isn't that the strategy when logic no longer works?
3677  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: May 03, 2011, 09:45:52 AM
"This will give Obama a short term pop in the polls."

Well no bounce short term grin

Comparing Bamster's "leadership" to WH Bushes as some liberal media are wont to do, is like comparing  Joe Biden to Winston Chruchill.

****Tuesday, May 03, 2011 The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 26% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Thirty-six percent (36%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -10 (see trends).

The Presidential Approval Index is calculated by subtracting the number who Strongly Disapprove from the number who Strongly Approve. It is updated daily at 9:30 a.m. Eastern (sign up for free daily e-mail update). Updates are also available on Twitter and Facebook

Overall, 49% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president's performance. Fifty percent (50%) disapprove.

Daily updates are based upon nightly telephone interviews and reported on a three-day rolling average basis. As a result, two-thirds of the interviews for today’s update were conducted before news was released about the death of Osama bin Laden. Thursday will be the first update based entirely upon interviews conducted after that event. Results from the single night of data collected on Monday shows a modest improvement in the president’s Approval Index rating. However, there was no improvement in the president’s overall approval rating. Caution should always be used when interpreting a single night sample from a tracking poll.

The president’s job approval ratings have been remarkably stable over the past year-and-a-half when viewed on a month-by-month basis.

During the month of April, the number of voters unaffiliated with either major party grew for the fourth straight month.

Republicans continue to hold a modest advantage on the Generic Congressional Ballot.

The Rasmussen Employment Index gained some ground last month but is still down from the start of 2011. Nineteen percent (19%) of workers report that the employers are hiring while 24% still see lay-offs. It has been nearly three years since the number reporting hiring topped the number with lay-offs.

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3678  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / some thoughts on: May 02, 2011, 12:39:27 PM
"You talking about Bush 41, 43 or both?"

Oops.  I said W but I meant HW (41).

My take was the read my lips no new taxes pledge was more a rallying point from the left than a real reason he lost.

Sort of like Dukakis lost because he was ambushed by the guy he released from prison who went out and commited another rape.
The MSM went out of their way to turn it into a racial thing by highlighting the guy was Black.  Most of us didn't know or care otherwise.  It was a rally cry from the liberal media more than a real issue.

Or that Kerry was "swift boated" aka a dirty low down Republican trick.  Another figment of the liberal media to deamonize the right.

As for 1991-2 -

My opinion is we were in a recession during the end of HW tenure and he just ignored it.  If only he showed he was paying attention to it and at least trying to fix it.  I think he would have won in '92. 

Then again in those days it was believed that the economy was more out of the President's control and it would right itself with the usual ebbs and flows of the economic cycle.  HW appeared to believe this and thought a laissez faire approach made sense, I guess.

I kind of think that was the beginning of the trend towards it is the job of the President to respond to every single crises and fix it immediately and if he doesn't respond to polls he is no good.

Now we have polls on everything several times a day and constant barrage of the politicians to respond immediately.
3679  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / W dropped the ball big time on: May 02, 2011, 11:03:34 AM
"But he didn't do anything at all"

That is exactly right.  The economy was faltering and he said, and did nothing ( some words about just giving it sometime.)

If he had just done anything at all.  At least made some effort as though he even cared.  Hhe would have won.  The silence was deafening, maddening and indeed at the time - astounding!  I recall thinking why doesn't this guy say something.  Anything.  It was like he was in la la land and his lose finally woke him up to reality.  But by then it was too late.

3680  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: May 02, 2011, 10:58:31 AM
Here it comes.  He is now the greatest leader of all time and all questions about his commitment to America as we knew it are suddenly not valid.  I thought the mention that he instructed Panetta to make the getting of Osama a top priority  was rather shameless.  As though it wasn't already a top priority?  Narcissist aside, it is a great day for America.  BTW it is no coincidence it was announced the same day as Hitler's death.

***US President Barack Obama announces the death of Osama Bin Laden at The White ouse in Washington DC on … By Slate slate – Mon May 2, 6:21 am ET
By John Dickerson

At approximately 11:30 p.m. Sunday, President Obama announced to the nation that on his orders U.S forces had killed Osama Bin Laden. His reputation for lawyerly inaction may never recover.

Obama's critics have said that he is a weak leader in general and in particular does not understand what must be done to combat terrorism. "They are very much giving up that center of attention and focus that's required," said former Vice President Dick Cheney in March 2009, in a typical remark. Yet what emerges from the details of Bin Laden's killing (offered, like the heroic accounts of the Bush years, entirely by officials who work for the sitting president) is that from early in his administration Obama was focused on killing Osama Bin Laden and that he was involved in the process throughout.

In June 2009, Obama directed his CIA director to "provide me within 30 days a detailed operation plan for locating and bringing to justice" Osama Bin Laden. By August 2010 intelligence officials had identified the suspicious compound where Osama lived. Thirty-five minutes outside Islamabad, the walls were up to 18 feet high and topped with barbed wire. The largest structure, a three-story building, had very few windows. Though the house was valued at $1 million, it had no Internet or phone service. Its residents, unlike their neighbors, burned their trash.

Detainees being held at Guantanamo provided some of the strongest information about those who were trusted by Bin Laden. They identified a courier and his brother who lived inAbbottabad, Pakistan, an affluent suburb where a lot of retired Pakistani military officers live.

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The final phase of the painstaking process started in mid-February. Intelligence officials started to get good information on the compound. A series of meetings were held in the White House to develop aggressive intelligence gathering operations. A family lived at the compound that matched the description of the Bin Laden family. By mid-March the president was chairing the national security meetings on the operation. (In all he would chair five such meetings, including the ones on the day the operation took place.)

(Commentary and analysis on killing Osama bin Laden)

Early Friday morning before departing to view tornado damage in Alabama, the president gave the order to initiate the operation to kill Bin Laden. On Sunday, he met throughout the day in the Situation Room, making final preparations and receiving updates.

The assault team arrived by helicopter. Administration officials were vague about what happened next. Bin Laden "did resist the assault force" and he was killed in a firefight, which leaves plenty of room for details to come out in the screenplay. Bin Laden's oldest son and the two couriers were also killed. One woman, whom a senior administration official said was used as a shield by one of the men, was killed. Two other women were injured.

At about 4 p.m., the president received first word that his orders had very likely led to the successful assassination of the architect of the greatest attack ever on America.

No other country, including Pakistan, knew of the attack, but the president in his remarks was clear that the operation couldn't have taken place without the help of the Pakistani government. "Our counterterrorism cooperation with Pakistan helped lead us to Bin Laden and the compound where he was hiding."

The president went to sleep to the sound of cheering outside the White House. At Ground Zero in New York and towns across the country, people gathered to sing the national anthem and chant "USA! USA!" It was a flicker of the post-9/11 unity that the president had referenced in his remarks earlier in the evening.

In his remarks announcing the operation, the president sought to rekindle that feeling, but he went further. He made the latest in a series of paeans to the American spirit. Under assault from conservatives who say he does not believe in the idea of American exceptionalism, Obama took the opportunity to reiterate his belief in the unique qualities of his countrymen:

Today's achievement is a testament to the greatness of our country and the determination of the American people. … Tonight, we are once again reminded that America can do whatever we set our mind to. That is the story of our history, whether it's the pursuit of prosperity for our people, or the struggle for equality for all our citizens; our commitment to stand up for our values abroad, and our sacrifices to make the world a safer place. Let us remember that we can do these things not just because of wealth or power, but because of who we are: one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thus did the president both answer his conservative critics and rise above them. Yes, he was saying, I do believe in American exceptionalism—and so should any terrorist who would wish America ill. All in all, it was a good night to be president.***

3681  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Media Issues on: April 30, 2011, 09:50:45 AM
Well interesting a San Fran newspaper is saying this.  Most of us see he is a serial liar.
Consistent with his narc personality disorder.

They ARE liars and manipulators and arrogant, self absorbed and with tememdous self love and resistant and incapable of being objective in the face of any criticism.

The anger response we see from the phoney One is a typical it is 'you' who are wrong, not (never) 'me".  Yet they can often continue to lie, lie in the face of being exposed, continue to try to charm and manipulate and get everyone on board to adulate them.
We are dealing with a real personality disorder.  The guy is 'f' up.  The MSM still predominantly has the wagons circled around him though.  Perhaps this will be the start of a break from the lib media though I do not hold my breath.
3682  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / fire with stronger fire on: April 29, 2011, 02:20:50 PM

I think one could counter this by pointing out government unions wipe their behinds with taxpayer monies.

Could some highly visible person start a campaign that all taxpayers should avoid any business that is intimidated by unions or shows union solidarity in a public way?
3683  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Media Issues on: April 29, 2011, 10:09:23 AM
""The Economist" here has been often referenced, recommended and maligned on this site."

The mag does have some interesting world wide articles though after reading it for a few years now it also does have a left bias and as Crafty described an elitist know it all kind of bent that usually leaks through in most of the articles.

Most if not all the writers are obviously liberals who seem to have a hard time being totally objective.  Perhaps if I were liberal I would welcome and not be offended by the bias.

After much thought I decided to renew my subscription because the value was greater then the (to me ) offensive nature of the information.

Perhaps this explains the reason why I have been posting the articles with different thoughts, pro and con, on this site.

3684  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: April 27, 2011, 11:44:32 AM
ONe of the talk radio heads, Smirkonish, I believe had a theory that Bamster was waiting for a debate wherein he would sucker a Repubic into asking him where is the long form at which point he would pull it out and say, "it is right here" in an attempt to embarras him/her.

In any case this should point out the One's *lack of judgement*, and as Crafty eluded to (the "unifier") how he does more to divide us than unify us by being the pompous guy he is.

The anchor gals on CNN who are flaming liberals were outright relieved this AM with obvious giddiness.
I do commend Anderson Cooper for repeatedly asking (the last few days only) why Obama rama just doesn't release the form while very single guest was dreaming every single argument why he doesn't and shouldn't.
3685  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Usual leftist game: racism on: April 27, 2011, 10:12:08 AM
First, secure and maintain the Black vote.  Make it about racism.  White man is coming to get you if you don't support the One:
3686  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: April 27, 2011, 09:39:55 AM
We need what we have not seen so far.  Someone with the persuasive ability of Trump but the more trustworthiness, and gravitas (if you will) of a Santorum, Ryan, etc.

I don't know if one would call what Trump has as charisma per se, rather than just interesting and showmanship, but whatever it is it works.

I love what he says.  He really sounds like he will fight to keep America numero uno.

Next to Trump, Boehner sounds like a total loser - even a joke.  He is the House leadership?
He sounds wishy washy fitting for the crier of the House.
I don't want a nice sweet man.  I want a dog fighter!
3687  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: April 27, 2011, 09:33:19 AM
I am satisfied with the birth certificate.

I wonder why the ONE refused to release it till now though.

Hats off to Trump!  I agree wholeheartedly that he accomplished what no one else could/would do and I absoulety maintain a position that it was absolutely necessary.

As for the school records or how he got into columbia and harvard I personally care less.  Affirmative action or not what's the difference?

I would like to know more about the One's political activities and positions while a political science major at Columbia.
One can only imagine the radical America, European, possibly white, capatilism, hating stuff he surrounded himself with.

If not true than why is it kept so secret?

3688  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / 38% of Americans think the One definitely born in USA on: April 26, 2011, 09:41:08 AM
Crying, not laughing out loud at the obnoxiousness of the journolist media, who still cover for Bamster.  Why just this morning we have some pundit on saying that Obama's issue of being born in the USA is "put to rest".  Oh really?!

Last night Anderson Cooper kept asking his guys including the liberal Harvard law guy (I can't think of his name) why doesn't Bamster just show his long certificate.  Again and again we hear every tangled legal reason why he need not do it, he doesn't have to, he shouldn't, it would take "hours" to locate, and every single twisted excuse except *THE REASON WHY HE DOESN'T JUST SHOW IT".  Every single fangled argument to avoid answering why doesn't he just show it.  What IS he hiding?  I guess the public does have enough savvy to see through the liberal media's persistance in doing everything possible to cover this up and to try to move things along.

This is not even a political issue or Republican issue.  This is an issue voters do have a right to know.  Many liberals think it great that we have a right to know every single detail about what our military is doing even if it risks lives yet they suddenly do not think these questions about the covering up of Bamster's history important.

Doug, Your right, whatever happened to bamseter at his birth is one thing but the cover up of the events surrounding his birth, employment records and school records and siliencing everyone who ever seemed to know anything about him certainly IS his fault:

****The real estate developer and reality TV star, who scores at the top in polls of the GOP field these days, falls to fourth when Republicans are asked to rate who among the contenders would be a “good” or “great” president in office.

Fifty percent of Americans, including 31% of Republicans, say Trump would make a “poor” or “terrible” president.

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“Trump is filling a huge void in the Republican Party right now, and he’s gathering a protest vote: protest against the way Washington works; protest with the establishment Republicans,” says Scott Reed, manager for Bob Dole’s 1996 presidential campaign. “The jury is still out whether Trump can translate that into a real candidacy for president.”

His possible bid faces broad resistance: 63% of Americans, including 46% of Republicans, say they definitely will not vote for Trump for president. In comparison, 46% of Americans say they definitely will not vote for President Obama — significantly lower but itself a hurdle to winning the 2012 election.

Though Trump initially got attention by expressing doubts whether Obama was born in the USA, that issue is not driving his support. Among those who say they definitely or might vote for Trump, only about a third question whether the president was born in the USA.

Support from the “birthers” is stronger for Sarah Palin, Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney. The issue has persisted even though Hawaii has released an official Certificate of Live Birth showing Obama was born there, a fact confirmed in non-partisan investigations by and others.

Still, in the USA TODAY poll, only 38% of Americans say Obama definitely was born in the USA, and 18% say he probably was. Fifteen percent say he probably was born in another country, and 9% say he definitely was born elsewhere.

USA TODAY/Gallup Poll
Views already are polarized about President Obama and some major Republican candidates for 2012.****
3689  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / government employee revolt; its about time on: April 25, 2011, 04:59:44 PM
I had a postal worker in the office some time ago.  The person came in for the third time after hurting his back.  I gave him a note to take a week off the first time and then another two weeks off during the second visit.   He comes back again and now states his back is better.  (Frankly I thought he was better the second time but I gave him the benefit of the doubt.)  So, I ask, if your back is better than why are you here?  You want even more time off?  He replied yes, he was thinking another week or two.   I asked, why if your back is better?  He said well, I have lots of sick time and I am going to retire in a few months (patient is age 59).  I stated I don't do this and will not write a false note.  I said I don't get it.   You know the Post Office is going borke and is billions in the red.  He says no it isn't.   It has plenty of money.  Some postal workers were laid off at other locations not mine.   In fact I just got a raise.

To make the rest of the story short, I refused the note.

The attitude, the sense of entitlement, the abuse of the system....  Taxpayers like me are finally waking up:

****California voters want public employees to help ease state's financial troubles
A cap on pensions and a later retirement age — even for current public employees — are supported by the poll's respondents.

By Shane Goldmacher, Los Angeles Times
April 24, 2011, 4:23 p.m.
Reporting from Sacramento— California voters want government employees to give up some retirement benefits to help ease the state's financial problems, favoring a cap on pensions and a later age for collecting them, according to a new poll.

Voter support for rolling back benefits available to few outside the public sector comes as Gov. Jerry Brown and Republicans in the Legislature haggle over changes to the pension system as part of state budget negotiations. Such benefits have been a flashpoint of national debate this year, and the poll shows that Californians are among those who perceive public retirement plans to be too costly.

Voters appear ready to embrace changes not just for future hires but also for current employees who have been promised the benefits under contract.

Seventy percent of respondents said they supported a cap on pensions for current and future public employees. Nearly as many, 68%, approved of raising the amount of money government workers should be required to contribute to their retirement. Increasing the age at which government employees may collect pensions was favored by 52%.

Although pension costs today account for just a fraction of the state budget, they are putting local governments under considerable financial strain, and analysts say effects on the state may not be far off.

"It's pretty clear that there's broad support for making changes in the area of pensions," said Democratic pollster Stanley Greenberg, who co-directed the bipartisan poll for The Times and the USC Dornsife College of Letters, Arts and Sciences.

Many public safety officers can retire at 50 with a pension equal to 3% of their final salary for each year worked — for example, 60% of salary after 20 years on the job. Many other state employees can retire at 55, with 2.5% of salary for each year worked. And tens of thousands of public workers may also purchase "air time" — credit for years they do not actually work — to boost their retirement income.

Guaranteed pensions have faded from corporate America in recent decades, replaced largely by 401(k) accounts that workers pay into and that rise and fall based on the fluctuations of financial markets. Voters back an integration of such plans into the government retirement system, with 66% supporting a blend of the traditional pension and a 401(k).

"It's just gotten way out of hand," said Beverly Marcelja, a 67-year old Democrat and retiree living in Tracy, in the Central Valley.

David Martinez, 59, a nonpartisan voter who lives in Rowland Heights, said existing retirement plans reflect a time when private-sector workers were afforded the same pensions.

"It's come to the point where the government is paying much more than private industry is," he said. "It should be equal."

The public sentiment is a cause for concern for organized labor. Public employee unions that spent millions of dollars helping to elect Brown are working aggressively to keep their pensions intact. But the governor has made clear that he believes they must make concessions as the state struggles.

Art Pulaski, executive secretary-treasurer of the California Labor Federation, said the public is trapped in a "moment of envy" over benefits that he maintains are far from lavish.

His union's position is that every worker should be entitled to a pension, not an unsecured retirement reliant on Wall Street earnings. Policy makers should focus on winning back a stable retirement for private-sector workers rather than demonize public employees, he said.

Some state and local public employee unions have already agreed to some changes, such as a delay in the retirement age for new hires.

"It's one thing for Republican governors in Wisconsin and Indiana to support these types of changes, but seeing this type of support from California voters, even California Democrats, is really remarkable," said Dan Schnur, director of the Jesse M. Unruh Institute of Politics at USC and a former GOP strategist.

Among Democratic respondents, 71% supported increasing retirement contributions for future hires and 66% backed a pension cap for both current and future workers. However, fewer than half of the Democrats surveyed favored cutting benefits and raising the retirement age for current employees.

Majorities of Republican and nonpartisan voters favored every potential money-saving pension change they were asked about.

Linda DiVall, a Republican pollster who co-directed the poll, said the results show that on the subject of retirement benefits, the public believes it is "unfair what the state employees have going for them."

Although Republicans have crusaded for years against what they view as bloated government pensions, California voters are not confident that they are best suited to tackle the issue. Only 29% said Republicans would best handle a revamping of the pension system, whereas 43% would prefer that an overhaul be left in the hands of Brown and his fellow Democrats.

And although voters strongly supported downsizing parts of the pension system, they were divided on whether most public employees were compensated appropriately. Forty-three percent said wages and benefits were too high; 33% said they were about right; 12% said they were too low.

The Times/USC Dornsife College of Letters, Arts and Sciences poll surveyed 1,503 registered voters from April 7 to 17. It was conducted by a bipartisan team of polling companies based in the Washington, D.C., area: Greenberg Quinlan Rosner, a Democratic firm, and American Viewpoint, a Republican firm.

The margin of error is plus or minus 2.53 percentage points. Some pension questions were posed to half the respondents and have a margin of error of plus or minus 3.58 percentage points.
Copyright © 2011, Los Angeles Times****

3690  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: April 25, 2011, 03:40:22 PM
"Meanwhile unemployment is 12% in Calif, gas unaffordable, drilling outlawed, states bankrupt, debt downgraded, dollar imploding, economy stagnated, health care costs worse than ever with choices disappearing and waivers exploding, wars breaking out, etc."

Everything a radical like Obama has dreamed for.  How better to transform this nation then to encourage it to implode first.

Well Soros is getting richer by the minute while he Gates, and Buffet and little facebook and google squirts, all chime in about how the rich should pay more taxes.

We live in such illogical times.
3691  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Doug, you're too nice on: April 25, 2011, 01:47:33 PM
"No.  He needs to be defeated straight on for his record and for the direction he still wants to lead the nation.  But the media lack of curiosity and lack of follow up is deplorable."

His personal likability (for whatever reason is still good) so we do need the politics of personal destruction (if we 'pardon' this phrase made famous by BJ bill jefferson Clinton), as well as beating him on the issues. 

We don't need to make anything the phoney one him up. It is all there, just being hidden.  We need to dig and dig and dig.  The more this guy gets exposed as a serial liar the better.

Nothing can be left to chance, no stone unturned in defeating this guy before he destroys this country.  The Obama rama drama must end on January 20, 2013.  BTW, say it does - mark my words - illegals will be pardoned on January 19th!!!

And not a damn thing anyone can do to stop it.

3692  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Jornolisters circled the wagon around Obama on: April 25, 2011, 11:29:41 AM
Aaron Klein noted how Stephenapolous made a "fool" out Michelle Bachman who backtracked about Bama's birth record.
I tend to conclude she made a fool out of herself.

And Mark Levin thinks she is great?

The journolist media is out in full force going after anyone who  questions why Obama is not revealling all his records.

It is really a sight to behold how they have circled the wagons around him defending him tooth and nail.

The pattern we keep seeing from the MSM:

If someone says all he has to do is show the long form the answer would be:

"are you suggesting he was not born here?"

I don't know why not just show the long form?

"so you are saying he was not born here?  Despite this certificate posted online that the State Department accepts and two contemperaneous newspaper announcements?"

Well why does he not just show the "long form"?

"SO you believe he was not born here and are part of the radical, fringe crazy stupid right?"

You continue to NOT answer the question as to why he doesn't simply show the long form?

"The Hawaii governor states he remembers his birth.  We have an official in Hawaii who has attested to have seen the form."

What is Obama hiding? Why not just show the form?  He is obviously hiding something?

Do you think the Republican party can win chasing the "birther" issue?

etc etc etc.

3693  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: california on: April 25, 2011, 11:17:09 AM
"now usual mix of perceptive comments and pompous elitist commentary."

Beautifully and correctly stated.

"California has been stupid"

Well, I am not sure it is only California.  Thanks to Clinton governing by the polls which in effect is akin to a direct Demcracy is now a high art form and standard procedure.

We are bombarded with polls every single day.
3694  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / DickMorris:IMF our new financial masters on: April 23, 2011, 11:07:09 AM
3695  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / So just show us the F' long form! on: April 23, 2011, 10:55:30 AM
So just show us the long form.  Where is it.  Something is being hidden.  It is remarkable why the MSM continues to avoid an answer to this question.  Only Chris Matthews earlier came out and asked the obvious glaring question.  Why not just show us the long form?  Of course he was hushed up.   

Trump is the ONLY one who will ask this question.  Anyone with a quarter of a brain can see something is being hidden from the public.

****HONOLULU (AP) -- Lost in the renewed scrutiny into President Barack Obama's birth records is the fact that anyone can walk into a Hawaii vital records office, wait in line behind couples getting marriage licenses and open a baby-blue government binder containing basic information about his birth.

Highlighted in yellow on page 1,218 of the thick binder is the computer-generated listing for a boy named Barack Hussein Obama II born in Hawaii, surrounded by the alphabetized last names of all other children born in-state between 1960 and 1964. This is the only government birth information, called "index data," available to the public.

So far this month, only The Associated Press and one other person had looked at the binder, according to a sign-in sheet viewed Wednesday in the state Department of Health building. The sheet showed about 25 names of people who have seen the document since March 2010, when the sign-in sheet begins.

Those documents complement newspaper birth announcements published soon after Obama's Aug. 4, 1961 birth and a "certification of live birth" released by the Obama campaign three years ago, the only type of birth certificate the state issues.

So-called "birthers" claim there's no proof Obama was born in the United States, and he is therefore ineligible to be president. Many of the skeptics suggest he was actually born in Kenya, his father's home country, or Indonesia where he spent a few years of his childhood.

Possible Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump has repeatedly stoked the birther fires recently, and last month called on Obama to "show his birth certificate." Trump said he has investigators in Hawaii searching for more information.

"Nobody has come in and said they're investigating for Donald Trump," said Department of Health spokeswoman Janice Okubo, who acknowledged they could've come in without identifying themselves as representing Trump.

What the would-be sleuths won't find is Obama's "long-form birth certificate," a confidential one-page document containing his original birth records kept on file in the first floor of the Department of Health.

Those original birth records typically include additional birth details, such as the hospital and delivering doctor, said Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the state's former health director who twice looked at and publicly confirmed Obama's original long-form birth records.

But those documents are state government property that can't be released to anyone, even the president himself, said Joshua Wisch, special assistant to the state attorney general. Obama would be able to inspect his birth records if he visited the Health Department in person, but original records of live birth are never released, he said.

Fukino, who served as the state's health director until late last year under former Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, said in an interview with The Associated Press she's convinced the long-form document is authentic. She issued public statements in 2008 and 2009 saying she had seen the original records.

"It is absolutely clear to me that he was born here in Hawaii," Fukino told the AP. "It should not be an issue, and I think people need to focus on the other bad things going on in our country and in our state and figure out what we're going to do about those things."

Before Obama's campaign released his certification of live birth in 2008, he or someone with a tangible interest had to make a written request and pay a $10 fee to receive it, Okubo said. Wisch also said Obama obtained a copy of his own certification of live birth and publicly released it.

State privacy laws prevent a certification of live birth from being released to anyone except those with a tangible interest, such as the person named by the birth record or a close family member.

The document is generated by computer, based on original birth records on file with the state, Fukino said.

New Health Director Loretta Fuddy, a Democratic appointee, declined to comment.

Last week, Republican Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer vetoed a bill that would have required presidential candidates to prove their U.S. citizenship before their names could appear on the state's ballot - which was widely viewed as targeting Obama - calling it a "bridge too far."

But the birther conspiracy theory refuses to go away. The latest New York Times-CBS News poll found that 45 percent of adult Republicans said they believe Obama was born in another country, and 22 percent said they don't know. Only one-third of Republicans said they believe the president is native born. The same poll a year ago found that a plurality of Republicans believed the president was born in the U.S.

Obama said in an interview with ABC News this month that Republicans sowing doubts about whether he's American-born may gain politically in the short term by playing to their constituencies, but will have trouble when the general election rolls around.

"Just want to be clear - I was born in Hawaii," the president said at a fundraiser in his hometown of Chicago.

Newspaper birth announcements appeared in both The Honolulu Advertiser and The Honolulu Star-Bulletin in the weeks after he was born.

The Aug. 13, 1961 announcement in the Advertiser appears on page B-6 of the Sunday edition, next to classified ads for carpentry work and house repair.

It says, "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4." The address belonged to the parents of Ann Dunham, Obama's mother.

A similar announcement appeared the following day on page 24 of the Star-Bulletin.



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3696  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Is Economist opinion correct or just more media bias? on: April 23, 2011, 10:20:38 AM
A couple of articles about the fiscal problems facing California and implications for the world.  The Econimist writers imply that California's main problem is "extreme Democracy" as they call it.  That California's bent for ballot initiatives wherein voters have too much control over the purse strings (legislatures control only 30% of budget.)   I find the Economist seems to miss the entire point about a welfare social state as being the main cause of the budget problems in California.  And that is why the Economist is always suspect as a liberal rag to me.

They claim the issue is ignorant misinformed or uninformed voters are making huge mistakes and essentially do not know what is best for them.  I claim this is misleading and progressive propaganda.  The real issue is too many people and their bribed officials voting too much spending on themselves.  In any case:

***Lessons from California
The perils of extreme democracy
California offers a warning to voters all over the world
Apr 20th 2011 | from the print edition
CALIFORNIA is once again nearing the end of its fiscal year with a huge budget hole and no hope of a deal to plug it, as its constitution requires. Other American states also have problems, thanks to the struggling economy. But California cannot pass timely budgets even in good years, which is one reason why its credit rating has, in one generation, fallen from one of the best to the absolute worst among the 50 states. How can a place which has so much going for it—from its diversity and natural beauty to its unsurpassed talent clusters in Silicon Valley and Hollywood—be so poorly governed?

It is tempting to accuse those doing the governing. The legislators, hyperpartisan and usually deadlocked, are a pretty rum bunch. The governor, Jerry Brown, who also led the state between 1975 and 1983, has (like his predecessors) struggled to make the executive branch work. But as our special report this week argues, the main culprit has been direct democracy: recalls, in which Californians fire elected officials in mid-term; referendums, in which they can reject acts of their legislature; and especially initiatives, in which the voters write their own rules. Since 1978, when Proposition 13 lowered property-tax rates, hundreds of initiatives have been approved on subjects from education to the regulation of chicken coops.

This citizen legislature has caused chaos. Many initiatives have either limited taxes or mandated spending, making it even harder to balance the budget. Some are so ill-thought-out that they achieve the opposite of their intent: for all its small-government pretensions, Proposition 13 ended up centralising California’s finances, shifting them from local to state government. Rather than being the curb on elites that they were supposed to be, ballot initiatives have become a tool of special interests, with lobbyists and extremists bankrolling laws that are often bewildering in their complexity and obscure in their ramifications. And they have impoverished the state’s representative government. Who would want to sit in a legislature where 70-90% of the budget has already been allocated?

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This has been a tragedy for California, but it matters far beyond the state’s borders. Around half of America’s states and an increasing number of countries have direct democracy in some form (article). Next month Britain will have its first referendum for years (on whether to change its voting system), and there is talk of voter recalls for aberrant MPs. The European Union has just introduced the first supranational initiative process. With technology making it ever easier to hold referendums and Western voters ever more angry with their politicians, direct democracy could be on the march.

And why not? There is, after all, a successful model: in Switzerland direct democracy goes back to the Middle Ages at the local level and to the 19th century at the federal. This mixture of direct and representative democracy seems to work well. Surely it is just a case of California (which explicitly borrowed the Swiss model) executing a good idea poorly?

Not entirely. Very few people, least of all this newspaper, want to ban direct democracy. Indeed, in some cases referendums are good things: they are a way of holding a legislature to account. In California reforms to curb gerrymandering and non-partisan primaries, both improvements, have recently been introduced by initiatives; and they were pushed by Arnold Schwarzenegger, a governor elected through the recall process. But there is a strong case for proceeding with caution, especially when it comes to allowing people to circumvent a legislature with citizen-made legislation.

The debate about the merits of representative and direct democracy goes back to ancient times. To simplify a little, the Athenians favoured pure democracy (“people rule”, though in fact oligarchs often had the last word); the Romans chose a republic, as a “public thing”, where representatives could make trade-offs for the common good and were accountable for the sum of their achievements. America’s Founding Fathers, especially James Madison and Alexander Hamilton, backed the Romans. Indeed, in their guise of “Publius” in the “Federalist Papers”, Madison and Hamilton warn against the dangerous “passions” of the mob and the threat of “minority factions” (ie, special interests) seizing the democratic process.

Proper democracy is far more than a perpetual ballot process. It must include deliberation, mature institutions and checks and balances such as those in the American constitution. Ironically, California imported direct democracy almost a century ago as a “safety valve” in case government should become corrupt. The process began to malfunction only relatively recently. With Proposition 13, it stopped being a valve and instead became almost the entire engine.

You don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone

All this provides both a hope and a worry. The hope is that California can right itself. Already there is talk of reform—though ironically the best hope of it may be through initiatives, since the push for a constitutional convention died last year for lack of money. There is talk, too, of restoring power and credibility to the legislature, the heart of any representative democracy. That could be done by increasing its unusually small numbers, and making term limits less onerous.

More important, direct democracy must revert to being a safety valve, not the engine. Initiatives should be far harder to introduce. They should be shorter and simpler, so that voters can actually understand them. They should state what they cost, and where that money is to come from. And, if successful, initiatives must be subject to amendment by the legislature. Those would be good principles to apply to referendums, too.

The worry is that the Western world is slowly drifting in the opposite direction. Concern over globalisation means government is unpopular and populism is on the rise. Europeans may snigger at the bizarre mess those crazy Californians have voted themselves into. But how many voters in Europe would resist the lure of a ballot initiative against immigration? Or against mosque-building? Or lower taxes? What has gone wrong in California could all too easily go wrong elsewhere.

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3697  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: April 22, 2011, 12:27:18 PM
If Huckabee is the Rep candidate I might just stay at home.

I don't know why he is on Fox so much.

He is the biggest bore on TV>

3698  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / hate crime on: April 22, 2011, 11:10:16 AM
Two Black females beating a white female reason unknown in MCD's.  Now let's see the ACLU pick this case up as hate crime.  The other night on Smirkonish radio he was discussing the absolutely absurdity of "hate" crime legislation.  A crime is a crime.  The idea that kid in Rutgers is under federal prosecution for hate crimes because he humiliated a gay who commited suicide.  If the guy where not gay than it is not as bad?  SMirkonish gave the answer well hate crimes apply to everyone but white males. The caller said, well yes.  Well this case is a white girl.  So does she qualify?  On the other hand she is attacked by girls so I guess not.
3699  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: April 22, 2011, 10:31:26 AM
"Championing liberty begins at the local level."

The problem with this is eminent domain is usually a local issue.

There are no  more politics that are corrupt as those on the local, state level which is all nepotism, who you know, and totally corrupt deal making.

As for Trump, there was something on cable one time wherein a whole bunch of investors lost a ton investing with Trump in Mexico.

They lost their money and he was literally no where to be found.

3700  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Tax Policy on: April 21, 2011, 02:45:52 PM
Doug,  I think I am close to making my position clear and perhaps you, GM, and others can see how I think restructuring the Repubs/tea party message can help gain voter "market share".

"I hear you when you complain about rich having disproportionate power with certain things.  The only solution I know is to simply move the system away from being for sale and negotiable toward dispensing special favors, and toward a system of equal protection where all private enterprises in all industries are treated evenly by a limited government.  We aren't exactly headed in that direction."

The Tea Party is emphasizing limited government.  But they are not emphasizing the system for sale, special favors, equal protection.
And that in a nutshell IS the problem as I see it.

"Where I don't follow you and where you don't follow the left and won't vote with them is that there is no way prevent obscene amounts of income and obscene uses of wealth at the top without messing up the system, the incentives and mechanisms for producing wealth."

I am not against obscene amounts of wealth.  As Reagan said (and was derided by the libs for saying) one of the great things about America is one CAN get rich!  I agree with this.  I do not begrudge those who are a success.  Good for them - if they obtain it honestly.  I cannot quite begrudge them for gaming the system.  What I do begrudge is that the system can be gamed.  That politicians cannot it seems stop this so the wealthy make their wealth honestly and reasonable fairly and not by cheating, lying, stealing, tricking, bribing, extorting, etc.

I am convinced if we can get a candidate to address this philosophy - we can drive Bamster and his crazy backers out of town.

I guess one analogy is every election cycle we here about the candidate who is the outsider who is going to clean up Washington.
Yet we all know it never happens.  I was impressed by Newt speaking about the bankers and the bail out government pols and beaurocrats needing to be investigated.  I as equally impressed by hearing Spitzer (who as those on this board know I generally have a distaste for) discuss how Goldman Sachs ripped everyone off during the financial crises and how the evidence is really quite compelling and convicning but he admits the JD will not go near them because of their wealth and political influence.

If this kind of crap could at least be addressed, and a real man (Schwartenegger), or real girl (Palin) would run on this promise I really think those getting squeezed in the middle (most of us) would jump on board. 

The suspicion is still the cans are the party for the rich and the crats are the party of poo'.  Just speaking about free markets but not admitting or recognizing they are not totally free is met with disbelief and a grimace to those of us who are old enough to know better. 
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