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3751  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / The Way Forward for the American Creed;almost too late on: August 10, 2011, 01:21:57 PM
I think this event in Wisconsin highlights how close we are to the edge of socialist/fascist revolution in the US.  As discussed by Mark Stein and Mark Levin last night the big question is do Americans want an America like we have enjoyed for 200 years or do they want an America that is a socialist or fascist like state?

That is the question.  That is the choice.  Can a Republican candidate make it clear that IS the choice and it must be made now.
Electing Brock again will seal the fate in (my opinion) the wrong direction.  With 50% not paying Fed income taxes, illegals coming in by the millions not because so much because they love traditional American ideals but they want our benefits, with so many other benefits paid for by the state to Americans, with children who seem to have learned that it is the governments responsibility to take care of them, we are at the cross roads.  The perilous closeness of the divide seems to be highlighted with this:   

****Republicans hold off Dems in recalls, win enough seats to keep majority in Senate
Story Discussion More (2) Font Size: Default font size Larger font size Republicans hold off Dems in recalls, win enough seats to keep majority in Senate
CLAY BARBOUR and MARY SPICUZZA | Wisconsin State Journal | Loading… | Posted: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 9:00 am

STEVE APPS – State Journal
Democratic supporters Yvonne Ziegler, of DeForest, and Lynn Nicklas and Norma Furger, both of Lodi, react to news of Republican gains in Tuesday's recall elections while watching results on a live network broadcast on the Capitol Square. Democrats gained two seats, not enough to win back control of the state Senate, with a third still undecided.
Any incumbents defeated in Tuesday's recall elections will continue to perform their legislative duties until certificates of election are issued to their successors.

Results will be certified three days after the Government Accountability Board receives the last county canvass in each district. If GAB gets all canvasses in on Thursday, spokesman Reid Magney said, it could certify results next Tuesday.

Winners could take oath of office the next day.
After tens of millions of dollars spent by outside interest groups, dozens of attack ads and exhaustive get-out-the-vote efforts, Democrats on Tuesday fell short of their goal of taking control of the state Senate and stopping the agenda of Gov. Scott Walker.

Republicans won four of six recall races, meaning the party still holds a narrow 17-16 majority in the Senate — at least until next week, when Sens. Robert Wirch, D-Pleasant Prairie, and Jim Holperin, D-Conover face their own recall elections. A third Democrat, Sen. Dave Hansen, D-Green Bay, easily survived a recall attempt last month.

Sens. Robert Cowles, R-Green Bay, Sheila Harsdorf, R-River Falls, Luther Olsen, R-Ripon, and Alberta Darling, R-River Hills, successfully defended their seats Tuesday.

Challengers state Rep. Jennifer Shilling, D-La Crosse, and Jessica King unseated incumbent state Sens. Dan Kapanke, R-La Crosse, and Randy Hopper, R-Fond du Lac.

Going into Tuesday, Republicans controlled the body 19-14, so Democrats needed to win at least three seats and hold onto two more next week to take over.

"The revolution has not occurred," said UW-Milwaukee political science professor Mordecai Lee, a former Democratic lawmaker. "The proletariat did not take over the streets."

Tuesday's recalls were largely seen as a test of Republican Gov. Scott Walker, who has drawn national attention since unveiling his controversial plan to strip nearly all collective bargaining rights from most public workers. Proof of that was visible on election night as national news organizations broadcast from across the state and political pundits led their newscasts with result updates and discussed their ramifications on the nation's political landscape.

Republican senators were targeted for recall after backing Walker's plan. Democratic senators came under attack for leaving the state to delay a vote on the measure.

However, the focus of the recalls has since expanded, shifting away from the collective bargaining fight toward issues such as taxes and funding for public schools and seniors.

A couple thousand Democratic supporters gathered at the state Capitol Tuesday night, hopeful at first but deflated when it appeared they might fall short of the three victories they needed.

Still, some praised Democrats' modest gains.

"I think the fact that this election is going on right now is a victory in and of itself. We put them on the hot seat," said Randy Bryce, 46, of Caledonia, who came to the Capitol Tuesday with his wife and 4-year-old daughter. "I would have liked to have seen us run the table on them, but this is okay for now."

Several media reported Darling was waiting for Pasch to make a concession speech shortly before midnight, But Darling's victory allows Republicans to continue to control the Legislature and set the agenda.

"I don't think there is much of a moral victory in taking only two," UW-Madison political science professor Charles Franklin said. "This was all about taking command of the Senate."

Tuesday's unofficial results capped the most expensive elections in state history.

Cash flowing into the recalls already has approached $30 million, and total spending by third-party groups and candidates could top $40 million, election watchdogs say. That total would double spending on all 116 of last fall's state legislative races combined.

Outside interest groups have spent millions on both sides, from conservative organizations like Wisconsin Club for Growth, Wisconsin Family Action, and Citizens for a Strong America to pro-union and liberal groups like We Are Wisconsin, Progressive Change Campaign Committee, and Democracy for America.

Many view the races as a sign of whether the next Wisconsin politician facing recall will be Walker himself. The governor remained largely absent from any public appearances with the GOP senators targeted for recall.

Tony Spencer, a 36-year-old laid-off carpenter from Shorewood, voted for Darling's challenger, Democratic state Rep. Sandy Pasch.

"I'm in a private union, so they haven't necessarily come after me," Spencer said. "But everybody should have the right to be in a union. I came out to stop all the union-bashing stuff."

But John Gill, 45, of Menomonee Falls, voted for Darling and questioned the opposition's anti-GOP rhetoric, which went far beyond collective bargaining.

"This was all supposed to be about the workers' rights, so to speak. But that has not been brought up one time. It's all been misleading, the attack ads, things like that," Gill said. "The one reason they started this recall, they didn't bring up once."

— State Journal reporter Jeff Glaze and The Associated Press contributed to this report.*****

3752  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / "free" food on: August 09, 2011, 11:05:05 AM
College students getting food stamps?

How did we get to this point?  I never dreamed of expecting tax payers to pay for students food before.

From Kayla Neff who was receiving food stamps to buy food for her and her father:

"Students should be focusing on their education, not whether or not they'll be able to eat dinner or whether they can manage to find a job and balance it on top of their studies," Neff said in a Friday email interview from Mount Pleasant."

So how did we get to her next logical conclusion that her food should be paid for by taxpayers?   Who the heck is she and why should others pay for her Mcdonald's.  What is this?  How about a loan?  Why is the treasury a free bank in the minds of these people.  They should have this they should have that.  There is no end to this.

****Last Updated: August 08. 2011 6:22PM
30,000 college students kicked out of food aid program in Michigan
State's new eligibility rules to save $75M; more students got aid than thought
Paul Egan/ Detroit News Lansing Bureau
Lansing — Michigan has removed about 30,000 college students from its food stamp program — close to double the initial estimate — saving about $75 million a year, says Human Services Director Maura Corrigan.

Federal rules don't allow most college students to collect food stamps, but Michigan had created its own rules that made nearly all students eligible, said Brian Rooney, Corrigan's deputy director. As a result, the number of Michigan college students on this form of welfare made the state a national leader. For example, Michigan had 10 times the number of students on food stamps as either Illinois or California, Rooney said.

Cutting off the students is part of what Corrigan says is an effort to change the culture of the state's welfare department and slash tens of millions of dollars of waste, fraud and abuse.

"Maybe (students) could go get a part-time job — that's what I did," said Corrigan, a former justice of the Michigan Supreme Court who attended Detroit's Marygrove College and University of Detroit Mercy School of Law.

"We want to encourage people to be self-sufficient, not to be dependent on the government," she said in an interview with The Detroit News.

But critics say state funding has shrunk and tuition has skyrocketed since Corrigan attended college in the late '60s and early '70s. They cite Michigan's still-battered economy and say the suffering the cuts will create won't be apparent until after cash-strapped students return to campuses this fall.

Corrigan, appointed by Republican Gov. Rick Snyder in January to head the $6.9 billion Department of Human Services, has also ordered administrators to start looking at applicants' assets, not just their income. That move follows an uproar after it was revealed Leroy Fick of Auburn remained eligible for food stamps and continued using them after he won $2 million in the state lottery TV show "Make Me Rich!" in June 2010.

If cutting millionaires off food stamps is a no-brainer, some say cutting off most students is less clear cut.

Kayla Neff, a 19-year-old Spanish and computer science student at Central Michigan University who qualified for food stamps in September, said it's tough to find a job in Michigan, particularly for students with little experience.

Neff said she and her father share about $150 a month in grocery money from the program, which "made all the difference in the world," but her eligibility is now under review.

"Students should be focusing on their education, not whether or not they'll be able to eat dinner or whether they can manage to find a job and balance it on top of their studies," Neff said in a Friday email interview from Mount Pleasant.

CMU was singled out by Corrigan as having publicized students' eligibility for food stamps on the university's website. University spokesman Steven Smith said Friday he wanted to research the issue, but "I am confident no official CMU site would promote this kind of activity."

The number of students taken off food stamps was close to double the estimate of 10,000 to 18,000 before the policy change was implemented in April.

Under the federally funded program, college students generally aren't eligible, Rooney said. But Michigan had created an exception for those participating in a valid employment and training program. Employment training was defined as attending college, he said.

Corrigan said one large Michigan school, which she did not identify, had 3,500 students on the program.

Many see using food stamps while attending school as a scam, and former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick described it in much that way in his new autobiography.

Kilpatrick, who was recently released from state prison after serving time for violating probation and awaits trial on federal corruption charges, revealed he used food stamps when he attended Florida A&M University in the late 1980s and early 1990s. At the time, his mother was a state representative and his father was a top Wayne County official.

"The food stamp game is an old hook-up in neighborhoods from Detroit to Tallahassee," Kilpatrick said in the book. "If you could get them, especially as a struggling college student, then you did."

Though still commonly known as food stamps, the state's Food Assistance Program now uses debit cards called Bridge Cards to provide assistance to eligible recipients.

Even after the recent removal of 30,000 college students from the food stamp program, close to 2 million Michigan residents — one in five — are on the program, Rooney said.

Not all college students have been kicked off food stamps. For instance, single moms who go to school can still be eligible, as can certain students who work at least 20 hours a week.

Still, critics say Corrigan's changes are too sweeping and each student's case should be examined on its merits.

Nate Smith-Tyge, director of the Michigan State University Student Food Bank, said the stereotypical profile of the middle-class freshman getting dropped off at the new dorm room by Mom and Dad no longer applies.

"A more nuanced approach would have been more humane," Smith-Tyge said. "This sort of carte blanche decision is going to adversely affect people who really needed it. At what cost does it eliminate some abuse?"

Corrigan also detailed steps she is taking to make sure big lottery winners can no longer get food stamps.

As part of its arrangement for federal funding, Michigan in 2000 opted to determine eligibility based only on income and not consider assets, partly because the program is easier to administer that way, Rooney said.

Starting Oct. 1, assets will also be considered in determining eligibility for new applicants, he said. The assets of existing food stamp recipients will also be examined as their cases are re-evaluated every six months.

"We're going to take a look at everyone in the system," he said.****
3753  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: August 09, 2011, 10:09:58 AM
One additional point.  These kinds of people are extraordinary liars.  They will keep lying even when everyone knows they are lying.  They will even know the game is up and everyone knows they are lying but will continue to lie.  Unfortunately there are many in the US who have a lot of skin in the game so he has a lot of people covering and lying right along with him.
3754  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: August 09, 2011, 10:07:28 AM
My psychoanalysis is that he is intelligent in certain respects but has a deficient personality.

He has no self insight.  He is unable to take real responsibility.

He blames others for his faults mistakes and errors.

He cannot get past this.

I believe one aspect of real intellegence is to be able to objectively evaluate oneself and one's beliefs.  He is unable.  He is deficient in this regard.  In this respect he is totally mentally retarded.

His triumphant con game no longer flies.  He is unable to change.  This is a hallmark of a personality disorder.  They are always right.
They love themselves beyond anything else.  It is all about him and his self love.

He can't see it any other way.

3755  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Wasserman Schultz; Brock is on golf course on: August 08, 2011, 05:20:05 PM
3756  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: US Economics, the stock market , and other investment/savings strategies on: August 08, 2011, 04:01:08 PM
Yes and that it was all due to the Tea Party that dared to hold firm against the expanding ponzi scheme.

If only they compromised instead.   rolleyes

If only increased taxes were included.   rolleyes

If only they didn't hold a gun to the heads of the "American people" who also refuse to face reality while the train goes off the edge into the grand canyon.   rolleyes
3757  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: August 08, 2011, 03:22:26 PM
It seems legitimate to ask is it really in the US interest to defend Israel to the point of using military force?

Should US men and women be asked to die for Jews in Israel?

That said I don't understand why it seems the entire world is against Israel.

It must be the oil money behind this.

I just don't know.  What is so unreasonable about Jews wanting a secure homeland?

Just look any map at the pittance of the size of Israel to the land mass controlled by Muslims.

Clearly the world is following the lead of Obama who has shifted the US position in the Middle East.

3758  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Buy when it becomes clear Repubs are getting power back on: August 08, 2011, 03:16:01 PM
"As C&T has been capped and it became clear that the Reps/Tea Party were going to take the house and perhaps the Senate, things improved"

In my opinion (out of the 7 billion that exist on Earth) I would suggest the market will not really recover till the Repubs get the WH back and a majority in the Senate - although a fillibuster proof is necessary with the Dems who have proven they can/will block everything in sight.

3759  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / person who won million dollar lottery 4 times on: August 08, 2011, 10:14:36 AM
I never thought of there being an algorithim.  I always thought it was random.  I guess the scratch offs are different from the lotto numbers?:

****'Lucky' woman who won lottery four times outed as Stanford University statistics PhD
By Rachel Quigley

Last updated at 9:06 PM on 7th August 2011

She was called the luckiest woman in the world.
But now that luck is being called into question by some who think that winning the lottery four times is more than just a coincidental spell of good fortune.
Joan R. Ginther, 63, from Texas, won multiple million dollar payouts each time.
 Luck?: Ms Ginther won four lots of vast sums on lottery scratch cards, half of which were bought at the same mini mart
First, she won $5.4 million, then a decade later, she won $2 million, then two years later $3 million and finally, in the spring of 2008, she hit a $10 million jackpot.
The odds of this has been calculated at one in eighteen septillion and luck like this could only come once every quadrillion years.
Harper's reporter Nathanial Rich recently wrote an article about Ms Ginther, which questioned the validity of this 'luck' with which she attributes her multiple lottery wins to.
First, he points out, Ms Ginther is a former math professor with a PhD from Stanford University specialising in statistics.
A professor at the Institute for the Study of Gambling & Commercial Gaming at the University of Nevada, Reno, told Mr Rich: 'When something this unlikely happens in a casino, you arrest ‘em first and ask questions later.'
 Money bags: First, Ms Ginther won $5.4 million, then a decade later, she won $2 million, then two years later $3 million and finally, in the spring of 2008, she hit a $10 million jackpot
Although Ms Ginther now lives in Las Vegas, she won all four of her lotteries in Texas.
Three of her wins, all in two-year intervals, were by scratch-off tickets bought at the same mini mart in the town of Bishop.

Mr Rich proceeds to detail the myriad ways in which Ms Ginther could have gamed the system - including the fact that she may have figured out the algorithm that determines where a winner is placed in each run of scratch-off tickets.

He believes that after Ms Ginther figured out the algorithm, it wouldn’t be too difficult to then determine where the tickets would be shipped, as the shipping schedule is apparently fixed, and there were a few sources she could have found it out from.

According to Forbes, the residents of Bishop, Texas, seem to believe God was behind it all.

The Texas Lottery Commission told Mr Rich that Ms Ginther must have been 'born under a lucky star', and that they don’t suspect foul play.****
3760  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / The MSM is to blame for letting him get away with this. on: August 06, 2011, 11:50:13 AM
"One nice thing about the situation I find myself in is that I will be held accountable"

To finish his unstated thoughts...

..... by my political enemies.  Howevery I will deny responsibility for anything that turns out bad and take credit for every and any good news.

I will deny responsibility at every moment every turn every stop.

It is all the fault of the tea party, the republicans, the racists, the rich, the corporations.

Thank God I am here to protect the American people from them.

3761  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / insulin pumps could used for murder on: August 06, 2011, 11:44:51 AM
Katherine is insulin dependent diabetic.  She does not have a pump.  We have thought that a pump would be very dangerous since every single thing she does is monitored by the organized criminals stealing her lyrics.  There is no electronic device that cannot be hacked if wireless capable or physically accessed if wireline or not wireless.  We have certainly thought of this.  Most people have no clue the threat to us of this threat with regards to criminal activity.  It is rampant.  It is going on.  Katherine even wondered if the dentist could not have implanted a "bug" in her teeth at one point.  The criminals thought this hilarious and even used it in a Progressive auto insurance commerical when that obnoxious broad claims she had to get the "bugs out of her teeth" from riding a motorcycle.  That was a direct mock to us.  Sound crazy.  It is not.  I kid you not.

To my knowledge there is no law enforcement taking any of this even remotely seriously.  Yet I know they are all worried about their pensions and early retirement schemes.  Sorry for the dig but yes I am angry.

****Insulin pumps, monitors vulnerable to hacking
By JORDAN ROBERTSON - AP Technology Writer | AP – Fri, Aug 5, 2011tweet48ShareEmailPrintRelated ContentJay Radcliffe, displays a radio device he uses to perform an attack on an insulin …

Jay Radcliffe, who wrote a program to attack an insulin pump, taking control of the …
LAS VEGAS (AP) — Even the human bloodstream isn't safe from computer hackers.

A security researcher who is diabetic has identified flaws that could allow an attacker to remotely control insulin pumps and alter the readouts of blood-sugar monitors. As a result, diabetics could get too much or too little insulin, a hormone they need for proper metabolism.

Jay Radcliffe, a diabetic who experimented on his own equipment, shared his findings with The Associated Press before releasing them Thursday at the Black Hat computer security conference in Las Vegas.

"My initial reaction was that this was really cool from a technical perspective," Radcliffe said. "The second reaction was one of maybe sheer terror, to know that there's no security around the devices which are a very active part of keeping me alive."

Increasingly, medical devices such as pacemakers, operating room monitors and surgical instruments including deep-brain stimulators are being made with the ability to transmit vital health information from a patient's body to doctors and other professionals. Some devices can be remotely controlled by medical professionals.

Although there's no evidence that anyone has used Radcliffe's techniques, his findings raise fears about the safety of medical devices as they're brought into the Internet age. Serious attacks have already been demonstrated against pacemakers and defibrillators.

Medical device makers downplay the threat from such attacks. They argue that the demonstrated attacks have been performed by skilled security researchers and are unlikely to occur in the real world.

But hacking is like athletics. Showing that a far-fetched attack is possible is like cracking the 4-minute mile. Once someone does it, others often follow. Free or inexpensive programs eventually pop up online to help malicious hackers automate obscure attacks.

Though there has been a push to automate medical devices and include wireless chips, the devices are typically too small to house processors powerful enough to perform advanced encryption to scramble their communications. As a result, most devices are vulnerable.

Radcliffe wears an insulin pump that can be used with a special remote control to administer insulin. He found that the pump can be reprogrammed to respond to a stranger's remote. All he needed was a USB device that can be easily obtained from eBay or medical supply companies. Radcliffe also applied his skill for eavesdropping on computer traffic. By looking at the data being transmitted from the computer with the USB device to the insulin pump, he could instruct the USB device to tell the pump what to do.

Radcliffe, who is 33 and lives in Meridian, Idaho, tested only one brand of insulin pump — his own — but said others could be vulnerable as well.

Although an attacker would need to be within a couple hundred feet of the patient to pull this off, a stranger wandering a hospital or sitting behind a target on an airplane would be close enough.

Radcliffe also found that it was possible to tamper with a second device he wears. He found that he could intercept signals sent wirelessly from a sensor to a machine that displays blood-sugar levels. By broadcasting a signal that is stronger than the real-time, authentic readings, the monitor would be tricked into displaying old information over and over. As a result, a patient who didn't notice wouldn't adjust insulin dosage properly.

With a powerful enough antenna, Radcliffe said, an attacker could be up to half a mile away. This attack worked on two different blood-sugar monitors, Radcliffe said.

"Everybody's pushing the technology to do more and more and more, and like any technology that's pushed like that, security is an afterthought," Radcliffe said.

Radcliffe refused to identify any of the three device makers, in part out of concern for his own safety. He is concerned that the devices don't appear to have an easy way to be updated with new software to fix the problems. He said he intends to notify the manufacturers after Thursday's presentation outlining the weaknesses.

The hacking fears come on top of human errors and technical glitches tied to medical devices. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has identified software and design errors as critical concerns in investigating hundreds of deaths potentially linked to drug pumps.

FDA officials declined to comment specifically on Radcliffe's findings, saying they hadn't seen the research. But the FDA said that any medical device with wireless communication components can fall victim to eavesdropping. It warns device makers that they are responsible for making sure they can update equipment after it's sold.

Industry officials downplay the potential threat.

"The risk to a patient with diabetes of having their monitors hacked is extraordinarily small, and there's a greater health risk of not monitoring than the risk of being hacked," said Wanda Moebius, a vice president at the Advanced Medical Technology Association, an industry group.

Few public studies have been done on the susceptibility of medical devices to hacking.

One such study, which appeared in 2008 from a consortium of academics, found that a popular type of device that acted as both a pacemaker and defibrillator could be remotely reprogrammed to deliver potentially deadly shocks or run out its battery.

The problem was the way the device transmitted data unencrypted and accepted commands wirelessly from unauthorized devices. One limitation of the study was that researchers only examined an attack from a few centimeters away from the targeted device.

Yoshi Kohno, a University of Washington professor of computer science who was a co-author of that study, said that Radcliffe's new research reinforces the urgency of addressing security issues in medical devices before attacks move out of research labs.

"The threat hasn't manifested yet, so what they and we are trying to do is see what the risk could be in the future," said Kohno, who wasn't part of Radcliffe's research.

Radcliffe said the point of his research is not to alarm people. He said the issues he's discovered are important to address publicly as the medical industry moves aggressively toward more networked devices.

"It would only take one person to do this to kill someone and then you have a catastrophe," he said.****
3762  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Political Economics on: August 06, 2011, 10:59:31 AM
"The serious, leading Pres. candidates need to shift from saying in 2011 what they would do as President in 2013 to being the leaders of the opposition party now, and call loudly and persuasively for a specific list of actions now"

Hopefully a repub will start to emerge the party can rally around.

The journolist MSM is already going after every viable Repub with their hit squads most recently making a big deal out of Rick Perry calling for prayer.  Suddenly they are trying to elevate this to scandal level to delegitimize him even before he announces.

It is now deemed scandulous to be a Christain or a Mormon.

Yet murderers screaming "ala akbar" (or whatever it was) are not "Muslim" terrorists.
They are just deranged or ill or from tough childhoods.

3763  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Celebrities and the WH/politics in general on: August 06, 2011, 09:13:46 AM
Well I dunno. Every time I see Brock STRUT up to the podium all I can think of is Basketball and hip hop with that walk of his.  Does this make me racist?

Having liberal celebrities to the WH is common and a symptom of one of the things wrong with our political system in my opinion which surely many will disagree.   I know first amendment and the rest.....   

Beyond the fact that many "hip-hoppers" steal material for the music (as well as practically everyone else in the music industry) via webs of organzied crime, that many got their start in more legitimate business by first making fortunes selling drugs as part of gangs, is the *annoying access celebrities in the entertainment industry have to politicians to begin with.  It is all about the money*.

We don't have to look overseas to find corruption.  Just look at DC.  Of course then again there is no more corrupt politics than local politics:

****Fox News' criticism of the Obama administration is becoming more than a Common problem.

The rapper Common, you may recall, drew heated commentary from the cable network for his invitation to take part in a White House poetry night. And Eric Bolling, a host on the Fox Business network, faced allegations of racism in May after referring to the White House as the "Hizzouse," "Hizzy" and "The Big Crib," and guests of the administration as "hoods" on the air.

On Thursday, a Fox News opinion website called Fox Nation aggregated a "Playbook" column by Politico's Mike Allen about President Barack Obama's 50th birthday bash, changing Allen's typically long headline with this:

'Obama's Hip-Hop BBQ Didn't Create Jobs'

The private party included dinner ("BBQ chicken, ribs, hamburgers, hot dogs, pasta, salad") in the Rose Garden was attended by Obama's staff and celebrities including Al Sharpton, Jay-Z,  Chris Rock, Charles Barkley, Steve Harvey, Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson. There were performances by Stevie Wonder, R&B singer Ledisi, jazz legend Herbie Hancock. A DJ "played Motown, hip-hop, and '70s and '80s R&B."

"The president asked everyone to dance -- and they did!"

The headline, not surprisingly, immediately sparked renewed charges of racism against the network. But Fox is standing by it.

Bill Shine, Fox executive vice president of programming in charge of the Fox Nation site, defended the decision in a statement to The Cutline: "We used the hip-hop reference per Politico's Playbook story this morning which stated 'Also present: Chicago pals, law-school friends, donors--and lots of kids of friends, who stole the show by doing dance routines to the hip-hop songs, in the center of the East Room.'"

The network has shut off further comments on the article, which were becoming incendiary.

"We found many of the comments to be offensive and inappropriate and they have been removed," Shine said.

Reached by The Cutline, Mike Allen declined comment on the Fox treatment of his piece.

But the incident is proving to be entertaining fodder in other Washington media circles. Talking Points Memo started a #HipHopBBQActs hashtag for Twitter users to come up with imaginary names for "grill-themed" rap performers, such as "KRS-A1" or "Too $hortribs."****

3764  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Han vs Western "Chinese" (Islam) on: August 05, 2011, 04:18:38 PM
3765  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Media Issues on: August 05, 2011, 01:22:10 PM
Good point.  This AM MSNBC cites a CBS/NYT poll.  Anyone would know this poll is going to be biased and is probably directly connected to the jurnolist-NYT-MSNBC liberal media cabal.

Of course in the poll the tea party boehner congress all come out on the bottome while Brock is not nearly as negative.
3766  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / BW = BS on: August 05, 2011, 01:18:14 PM

Beneath Jobs Report Surface Lies Some Ugly Truths
Published: Friday, 5 Aug 2011 | 10:20 AM ET Text Size By: Jeff Cox Staff Writer


Before getting too excited about the modest uptick in net job creation and a slight downward move in the unemployment rate, it’s probably worth a look under the hood.

As is usually the case, there is far more than meets the eye to the Labor Department’s report that the economy added 117,000 jobs last month and the unemployment rate fell to 9.1 percent.

Let’s start with the reality that fewer people actually were working in July than in June.

According to a Bureau of Labor Statistics breakdown, there were 139,296,000 people working in July, compared to 139,334,000 the month before, or a drop of 38,000.

But the job creation number was positive and the unemployment rate went down, right? So how does that work?

It’s a product of something the government calls “discouraged workers,” or those who were unemployed but not out looking for work during the reporting period.
Recession Seen Looming as Jobless Benefits End

This is where the numbers showed a really big spike—up from 982,000 to 1.119 million, a difference of 137,000 or a 14 percent increase. These folks are generally not included in the government’s various job measures.

So the drop in the unemployment rate is fairly illusory—stick all those people back in the workforce and you wipe out the job creation and the drop in unemployment.

For once, some of the government’s other tools of economic voodoo didn’t help the count.

The vaunted birth-death model, a byzantine approximation of business creation and failure, actually subtracted 18,000 from the total job creation after a five-month run where it added a total of 741,000 positions to the count.

And the so-called “real” unemployment rate, which adds in discouraged workers and others not counted as part of the headline unemployment rate, actually pulled back one notch to 16.1 percent.

But there’s plenty of bad news to go around otherwise.

The average duration of unemployment rose for the third straight month and is now at a record 40.4 weeks—about 10 months and now double where it was when President Obama took office in January 2009. The total number unemployed for more than half a year now stands at 6.18 million, 130 percent higher than when the president’s term began.

Among the nuggets of good news—the jobless rate for blacks slipped to 15.9 percent and for Latinos to 11.3 percent, both at four-month lows.

But how good or bad the unemployment picture really may not come into view until next month, because of distortions from seasonal adjustments.

Including teachers and others who experience seasonal unemployment, total joblessness actually rose 1.23 million.

CORRECTION: An earlier version incorrectly stated the percentage drop of employed people.

3767  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Politics of Health Care on: August 05, 2011, 01:04:00 PM
"The problem is that with progressives if you give an inch they come back looking for a mile see e.g. "Don't ask, don't tell" or "civil unions".

Exactly.  We cannot compromise any more because there is no compromise.

They never stop demanding for more.  Goal:

One world government that controls and monitors everything around the world.

Government distribution of all wealth and conjointly all poverty.

Everything we do or not do is monitored.  For example one eats a french fry you get taxed.  You flush one too many times it is recorded and automatically deducted from one's account as is every other tax, fee, fine, and charge.

You don't exericse you are taxed.

The Ivy league universities guide everything - they kind of already do.

and on and on.
3768  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Media Issues on: August 05, 2011, 12:53:54 PM
Are there ever any polls about radical progressivism in the United States?  How popular is liberalism once people understand what it is all about?
Americans should be thanking the tea party yet the entitlement crowd never ceases to stop:

****Views of Congress, tea party reach new low in poll
By Chris Moody

Political Reporter

The marathon negotiations that led to the debt ceiling deal seemed to leave an indiscriminate trail of casualties in Washington. And now a new opinion poll has proven as much, with public views on the debt showdown dealing severe hits to all parties--centrist compromisers and principled hardliners alike.

Not all the anger is necessarily aimed at Washington, however. Public perception of the tea party movement, which many see as the driving force that kept Republicans from voting to raising the debt ceiling without implementing unprecedented spending reductions, is at a record low. In a New York Times/CBS poll released Friday, 40 percent of respondents said they held an "unfavorable" view of the movement, up from 29 percent before the debt negotiations began in April, and higher than any number since pollsters started asking the question last year. One in five respondents said they approved of the tea party, down from 26 percent a few months ago.

Congress, as usual, fared the worst. The legislative branch almost never gets high marks from the public, but never before has it earned this level of disapproval. Eighty-two percent in the poll said they disapprove of how members of Congress are doing their jobs--the highest such rate since 1977, when the poll was first taken.

President Obama, on the other hand, was the only one to really escape the negotiation process without deeply damaging blows to his perception, the poll suggested. Almost half (48 percent) said they approve of the way Obama is handling his job as president, a number that has remained stable since late 2009.****
3769  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Politics of Health Care on: August 05, 2011, 12:44:35 PM
"Why not have a base government plan covering everyone like Medicare and then supplemental private plans for the bells
and whistles?"

One problem is the government is already broke and with the population getting older we cannot afford it as it is.

(In case you haven't noticed?)

Perhaps we could cover you but then tax you for riding your motorcylce which is a very high risk endeavor.
We tax cigarettes, Michelle wants a calorie tax, so why not cylces?
3770  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Media Issues on: August 05, 2011, 10:00:54 AM
It is remarkable how the crats are able to still spin the fault of the economy onto the tea party.

Now the lack of new jobs the faultering economy is due to the tea party distracting Brock and the country away from job creation to the debt ceiling and the debt.

And the MSM of course picks up this ball and runs for the goal post.

Apparently independents are ok with this as they seem to blame Congress for everything more than Brock.

They probably still agree with tax the rich mentality.  They still don't get it.  Better steal more from the successful the mess with my Medicare social security and the rest.

Newt was on Greta last night and was right on message (IMO) by explaining how easy this could addressed if we only get big government out of the way. 

However the MSM ignores him.  Instead we here opinions from giants like Obama diseased Brock apologist Eugene Robinson of the Wash Post.

Joe Scarborough has lost me once and for all.  He is living proof that anyone can be bought.  (By his employer MSNBC).
3771  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / millions at risk of starvation on: August 04, 2011, 06:41:25 PM
One million starved in 1985 in Ethopia.  More at risk in the horn now.  Somalia, Ethiopia, Uganda, Djibouti, Eritria.

The WTC death toll is peanuts compared to these events.
3772  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: August 04, 2011, 06:24:02 PM
"I have too busy and he has been too broke for me to tell him that I want to be a highly paid consultant to the campaign."

Doug please save the country and work for an IOU.
3773  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Government programs & regulations, spending, budget process on: August 04, 2011, 06:18:37 PM
Well the champion of women's rights Brock at least got us all to chip in for birth control.
So what if we go bankrupt. 

***Jewish World Review August 3, 2011 / 3 Menachem-Av, 5771

Timid establishment chooses incrementalism over saving the future

By Tony Blankley | The debt deal, if it sticks, is a triumph for the bipartisan, status quo-clinging Washington establishment. Here is a prediction: Between now and January 2013, total actual spending cuts will be minimal. That will result from the following: (1) The $900 billion deficit reduction is almost all back-loaded to the years beyond 2012. (2) The select committee created by the budget deal will fail to pass a "second tranche" deficit-cut package of an additional $1.5 trillion. (3) The "trigger" will be pulled that will identify an additional $1.2 trillion. (4) The pulled trigger won't require any more deficit reductions to go into effect until 2013, when a new Congress and either a new president or a re-elected President Obama will be able to re-decide (or repeal) all these decisions. That president will also have to decide what to do with the expiring Bush tax cuts, which if extended would be scored to increase deficit by $3.5 trillion over ten years. (5) The debt ceiling will not need to be raised until 2013.

It is true that the Tea Party has "won" within the context of what constitutes a political win in Washington. But have they accomplished enough to change our future? No, by this deal, they have not.

To have a chance at actually changing our future, Washington would have to risk shocking and unpredictable change that might rock, temporarily, the financial prosperity of the nation. The establishment is not ready for that. To wit: Whether to risk radical change now or not is the measure of whether to support the deal.

Thus, Washington politicians and politically alert citizens across the country can be broadly divided into those who fear losing the status quo and those who fear losing the future. But it is less a matter of ideology (for both left and right) and more a matter of urgency.

It's not that pro status quo Republicans, for instance, don't worry about the state and debt getting ever bigger and more intrusive - they do - just as left wing Democratic establishment politicians worry about income disparities and insufficient social welfare programs.

What divides the GOP establishment types from the Tea Party people on the right is that the GOP establishment types don't feel sufficiently urgent about intrusive statism and unbearable debt to risk action now that would radically change the status quo governing process, policies and politics. Similarly, the Democratic establishment is not prepared to fight now for a radical change to the left.

The establishment explains — rather condescendingly — to the "unsophisticated" tea party and similar people that political change under our constitutional system is incremental. Take what you can get and come back for a little more next season. That is an argument about American political history that has usually been right, but not always.

When the insistent demands of the near future require more than incremental change, the American political process can become quite radical. For example, the demands of the common man against the aristocratic federalist policies from the 1790s to the early 1800s forced radical change, ending federalists and bringing in first Jeffersonianism (in the revolution of 1800) and Jacksonianism in the 1830s. The old order was overthrown by democratic radicalism. Most conspicuously, the urgent demands of abolition and secession brought on the shocking radical solution of the Civil War in 1861.

The vast immigration to post-Civil War America brought on radical progressivism, which caused the suppression of some of the democratic power of the new immigrants and closed the immigration door to non-Northern Europeans almost entirely in 1924. Obviously, the shock of the Great Depression brought on radical statism in Washington — again overthrowing many status quo interests.

So, who's the fool: The Tea party people, who say we must do much more now to avert the coming debt and statism disaster, or the status quo establishment who say don't rock the fiscal, debt-ceiling boat — we'll get to fixing the future in...the future?

I've been a Reagan conservative incrementalist all my political life. But the near and ominous debt and statism future is radicalizing me quickly. We must do much more, much faster than this deal offers if we are to save our future. The establishment needs to start emotionally de-investing in a fast dying status quo and prepare to embrace real change.

America will lose its triple-A Treasury rating not because a rating agency says so (and despite a debt deal) but because the anticipated federal debt to gross domestic product ratio — and the $60 trillion of unfunded entitlements that is driving that ratio— can be seen by every bond buyer on the planet.

3774  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / happy birthday brock on: August 04, 2011, 03:48:43 PM
3775  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: August 04, 2011, 02:28:51 PM
The comments from the Democratic party led by Brock is so of the charts crazy now one has to conclude he really is about destroying America only to rebuild as a some sort of Marxist state.  I firmly believe this is what he is all about.

But the mainstream media that protects him is really criminal....

There cannot be any compromise - he must be completely defeated along with the rest of the progressives.

I hope it is not too late.

I hope those bribed on entitlements will soon wake up and smell the rot that has infected America.
3776  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / anyone still follow Gilder on: August 03, 2011, 11:30:54 AM
I guess even a clock is right twice day: 

 EZchip Announces Record Second Quarter 2011 Results; Second Quarter Revenues Increase 16% Year-Over-Year to $17.3 Million
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YOKNEAM, Israel, Aug. 3, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- EZchip Semiconductor Ltd. (NASDAQ:EZCH - News), a leader in Ethernet network processors, today announced its results for the second quarter ended June 30, 2011.

Second Quarter 2011 Highlights:

Second quarter revenues increased 16% year-over-year and 31% sequentially, reaching $17.3 million
Gross margin reached 77.9% on a GAAP basis and 80.0% on a non-GAAP basis
Net income was $4.8 million on a GAAP basis, 28% of revenues
Net income was $9.4 million on a non-GAAP basis, 54% of revenues
Operating cash flow of $9.2 million
End of quarter net cash was $121.0 million

Second Quarter 2011 Results:

Total revenues in the second quarter of 2011 were $17.3 million, an increase of 16% compared to $14.9 million in the second quarter of 2010, and an increase of 31% compared to $13.2 million in the first quarter of 2011.

Net income, on a GAAP basis, for the second quarter of 2011 was $4.8 million, or $0.17 per share (diluted), compared to net income of $2.2 million, or $0.09 per share (diluted), in the second quarter of 2010, and net income of $1.5 million, or $0.05 per share (diluted), in the first quarter of 2011.

Net income, on a non-GAAP basis, for the second quarter of 2011 was $9.4 million, or $0.33 per share (diluted), compared to non-GAAP net income of $7.1 million, or $0.26 per share (diluted), in the second quarter of 2010, and non-GAAP net income of $5.4 million, or $0.19 per share (diluted), in the first quarter of 2011.

Cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities as of June 30, 2011, totaled $121.0 million, compared to $108.5 million as of March 31, 2011. Cash generated from operations during the second quarter was $9.2 million, cash used in investing activities was $0.1 million and cash provided by financing activities (resulting from the exercise of options) was $3.4 million.

First Six Months 2011 Results

Total revenues for the six months ended June 30, 2011 were $30.5 million, a year-over-year increase of 7% compared to $28.5 million for the six months ended June 30, 2010. Net income on a GAAP basis for the six months ended June 30, 2011 was $6.2 million, or $0.22 per share (diluted), compared to net income of $5.1 million, or $0.20 per share (diluted), for the six months ended June 30, 2010. Net income on a non-GAAP basis for the six months ended June 30, 2011 was $14.8 million or $0.52 per share (diluted), compared with non-GAAP net income of $13.1 million, or $0.50 per share (diluted), for the six months ended June 30, 2010.

Eli Fruchter, CEO of EZchip commented, "The second quarter of 2011 continues our growth trend and was another record quarter for EZchip in all our financial parameters, including achieving an outstanding 54% non-GAAP net income margin.  NP-4 is making good progress and we are very comfortable it will move to production during the fourth quarter.

"According to the Carrier Ethernet Equipment Analysis report recently published by Infonetics, Service Providers investment in Carrier Ethernet continues to outpace overall telecom capex, with CESR and Transport, EZchip's target markets, expected to grow to over 70% of the total Carrier Ethernet Equipment market by 2015.  The result for us is that the market for our high speed NPUs is growing much faster than previously anticipated in its prior report.   

"During the second quarter we also continued to make good progress with our other products that are under development, including the NP-5 and the new product in Kiryat Gat that are expected to become our growth generators when the NP-4 reaches peak revenues in several years."

Conference Call

The Company will be hosting a conference call later today, August 3, 2011, at 10:00am ET, 7:00am PT, 3:00pm UK time and 5:00pm Israel time. On the call, management will review and discuss the results, and will be available to answer investor questions.

To participate through the live webcast, please access the investor relations section of the Company's web site at:, at least 10 minutes before the conference call commences. If you intend to ask a question on the call, please contact the investor relations team for the telephone dial in numbers.

For those unable to listen to the live call, a replay of the call will be available the day after the call under the 'Investor Relations' section of the website.

Use of Non-GAAP Financial Information

In addition to disclosing financial results calculated in accordance with United States generally accepted accounting principles (GAAP), this release of operating results also contains non-GAAP financial measures, which EZchip believes are the principal indicators of the operating and financial performance of its business.  The non-GAAP financial measures exclude the effects of stock-based compensation expenses recorded in accordance with FASB ASC 718, amortization of intangible assets and taxes benefit (taxes on income).  Management believes the non-GAAP financial measures provided are useful to investors' understanding and assessment of the Company's on-going core operations and prospects for the future, as the charges eliminated are not part of the day-to-day business or reflective of the core operational activities of the Company.  Management uses these non-GAAP financial measures as a basis for strategic decisions, forecasting future results and evaluating the Company's current performance.  However, such measures should not be considered in isolation or as substitutes for results prepared in accordance with GAAP.  Reconciliation of the non-GAAP measures to the most comparable GAAP measures are provided in the schedules attached to this release.

About EZchip

EZchip is a fabless semiconductor company that provides Ethernet network processors for networking equipment.  EZchip provides its customers with solutions that scale from 1-Gigabit to 200-Gigabits per second with a common architecture and software across all products.  EZchip's network processors provide the flexibility and integration that enable triple-play data, voice and video services in systems that make up the new Carrier Ethernet networks.  Flexibility and integration make EZchip's solutions ideal for building systems for a wide range of applications in telecom networks, enterprise backbones and data centers.  For more information on our company, visit the web site at

This press release contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933, as amended, and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended.  Forward-looking statements are statements that are not historical facts and may include financial projections and estimates and their underlying assumptions, statements regarding plans, objectives and expectations with respect to future operations, products and services, and statements regarding future performance.  These statements are only predictions based on EZchip's current expectations and projections about future events.  There are important factors that could cause EZchip's actual results, level of activity, performance or achievements to differ materially from the results, level of activity, performance or achievements expressed or implied by the forward-looking statements.  Those factors include, but are not limited to, the impact of general economic conditions, competitive products, product demand and market acceptance risks, customer order cancellations, reliance on key strategic alliances, fluctuations in operating results, delays in development of highly-complex products and other factors indicated in EZchip's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC).  For more details, refer to EZchip's SEC filings and the amendments thereto, including its Annual Report on Form 20-F filed on March 31, 2011 and its Current Reports on Form 6-K. EZchip undertakes no obligation to update forward-looking statements to reflect subsequent occurring events or circumstances, or to changes in our expectations, except as may be required by law.

EZchip Semiconductor Ltd.***

3777  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / entitlements on: August 03, 2011, 11:23:57 AM
"This bipartisan farce passed easily at the end because the people really are not calling for an immediate balance to the budget which would effectively be a 43% across the board cut in spending."

Exactly right!  Don't touch my Soc sec! Don't touch my Medicare!  Don't touch my retirement!   I'm entiltled to retirement, unionization, paid time off, health care, food, cell phone and internet connections, safe food and water driving and flying (to avoid being the 1 in 10 million who might suffer from an accident), unemployment, education, college, and on and on and on (except *free* legal care).

I don't think there is real hope till we crash and people wake up.

Again only the tea party has any legs.  And the left demonizes them to preserve their power.  And the center right likes their power too and is trying to keep up with the vote buying of the left in trying to appear "compromising" and "reasonable".

3778  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: August 02, 2011, 02:18:19 PM
"To me it is a wonderment that his numbers are as high as they are."

I agree.  I guess it shows the power of bribery for those who are getting entitlements.  It goes to show the exteme hurdle the right must overcome when 50% pay no fed income taxes.

"These numbers were consistently miserable for a long time and I don't understand exactly why."

I don't think it is much better than when Pelosi was in charge.
Some of it those on the right and left wings are not happy.
The MSM likes to encourage bashing the House yet protect Brock. 
The MSM likes to demarginalize the Tea Party.

It is easier for Americans to blame the Houses for all our spending rather than admit many of us are responsible or need to stop feeding at the trough.  You know the not in my back yard or don't take from me take from them attitude.

The circus was not what happened with this debt ceiling debate but the lack of fight over all previous debates.  In the past the clowns were those in both houses who would raise the debt ceiling endlessly without question.

We were the dupes.  If not for the T party we still would be.

3779  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Can it get any worse? on: August 02, 2011, 01:58:16 PM  cry embarassed sad
3780  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Political Economics on: August 02, 2011, 01:28:40 PM
Is this guy always too rosey or is it me?

One thing from hearing about the debt debate is it highlighted to me at least how much of a hole we are in.

With the population aging et al - I can't see it not getting worse before it gets better.
3781  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: August 02, 2011, 10:43:03 AM
"Z is for zero, which is the likelihood that one of the current GOP hopefuls will defeat Mr. Obama in 2012."

I disagree.
3782  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / another wealthy liberal who thinks taxes too low on: August 01, 2011, 04:54:48 PM
Add this guy to Warren Buffet, Bill Gates who instead of writing a check of their own money to the treasury have felt it better to call for higher taxes for the "wealthy":

August 01, 2011
Matt Damon weighs in on the debt ceiling
Last week, Ben Affleck briefly became part of the conversation about the debt ceiling. And now his longtime buddy and fellow actor Matt Damon has weighed in on the debate.

“I’m so disgusted man. … I don’t know what you do in the face of that kind of intransigence. You know, so my heart does go out to the president. He is dealing with a lot,” Damon told video journalist Nicholas Ballasy on Saturday. The actor, who’s rocking a shaved head these days, was in Washington to take part in the Save Our Schools March.

Asked is he supports tax increases for the wealthy, Damon said, “Yes, the wealthy are paying less than they’ve paid in any time else, certainly in my lifetime. …It’s criminal that like, you know, so little is asked of people who are getting so much, I mean, I don’t mind paying more. I really don’t mind paying more taxes.”

Damon went on to call the tea party “completely intransigent" in the debt negotiations, explaining: "They are absolutely willing to drive it all off a cliff."

Posted by Caitlin McDevitt 05:32 PM
3783  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Math a sixth sense on: August 01, 2011, 12:43:06 PM
Perhaps math is a kind of sixth sense.  We have vision, sound, touch, hearing smell to sense the world around us.  Math is another means to that end.

Math is just another way for humans to connect with their world around us.

It is interesting that we have at times historically discovered phenomenon that are described by earlier mathematic formulas as well as the other way around.
3784  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: August 01, 2011, 11:46:32 AM
This PROVES we will not have fiscal responsibility till Brock is thrown out once and for all. 

****By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR - Associated Press | AP – 8 mins agotweet153ShareEmailPrintWASHINGTON (AP) — Health insurance plans must cover birth control as preventive care for women, with no copays, the Obama administration said Monday in a decision with far-reaching implications for health care as well as social mores.

The requirement is part of a broad expansion of coverage for women's preventive care under President Barack Obama's health care law. Also to be covered without copays are breast pumps for nursing mothers, an annual "well-woman" physical, screening for the virus that causes cervical cancer and for diabetes during pregnancy, counseling on domestic violence, and other services.

"These historic guidelines are based on science and existing (medical) literature and will help ensure women get the preventive health benefits they need," said Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius.

The new requirements will take effect Jan. 1, 2013, in most cases. Over time, they are expected to apply to most employer-based insurance plans, as well as coverage purchased individually.

Sebelius acted after a near-unanimous recommendation last month from a panel of experts convened by the prestigious Institute of Medicine, which advises the government. Panel chairwoman Linda Rosenstock, dean of public health at the University of California, Los Angeles, said that prevention of unintended pregnancies is essential for the psychological, emotional and physical health of women.

As recently as the 1990s, many health insurance plans didn't even cover birth control. Protests, court cases, and new state laws led to dramatic changes. Today, almost all plans cover prescription contraceptives — with varying copays. Medicaid, the health care program for low-income people, also covers contraceptives.

Indeed, a government study last summer found that birth control use is virtually universal in the United States, according to a government study issued last summer. More than 90 million prescriptions for contraceptives were dispensed in 2009, according the market analysis firm INS health. Generic versions of the pill are available for as little as $9 a month. Still, about half of all pregnancies are unplanned. Many are among women using some form of contraception, and forgetting to take the pill is a major reason.

Preventing unwanted pregnancies is only one goal of the new requirement. Contraception can help make a woman's next pregnancy healthier by spacing births far enough apart, generally 18 months to two years. Research links closely spaced births to a risk of such problems as prematurity, low birth weight, even autism. Research has shown that even modest copays for medical care can discourage use.

In a nod to social and religious conservatives, the rules issued Monday by Sebelius include a provision that would allow religious institutions to opt out of offering birth control coverage. However, many conservatives are supporting legislation by Rep. Jeff Fortenberry, R-Neb., that would codify a range of exceptions to the new health care law on religious and conscience grounds.

Although the new women's preventive services will be free of any additional charge to patients, somebody will have to pay. The cost will be spread among other people with health insurance, resulting in slightly higher premiums. That may be offset to some degree with savings from diseases prevented, or pregnancies that are planned to minimize any potential ill effects to the mother and baby.

The administration did allow insurers some leeway in determining what they will cover. For example, health plans will be able to charge copays for branded drugs in cases where a generic version is just as effective and safe for the patient.

The requirement applies to all forms of birth control approved by the Food and Drug Administration. That includes the pill, intrauterine devices, the so-called morning-after pill, and newer forms of long-acting implantable hormonal contraceptives that are becoming widely used in the rest of the industrialized world.

Coverage with no copays for the morning-after pill is likely to become the most controversial part of the change. The FDA classifies Plan B and Ella as birth control, but some religious conservatives see the morning-after drugs as abortion drugs. The rules HHS issued Monday do not require coverage of RU-486 and other drugs to chemically induce an abortion.

Advocates say the majority of women will be covered once the requirement takes effect in 2013, although some insurance plans may opt to offer the benefit earlier. Aside from the religious conscience clause, there is one additional exception. Plans that are considered "grandfathered" under the law will not be affected, at least initially. Consumers should check with their health insurance plan administrator.****

If people want their erectile dysfuction and birth control paid by insurers than they should pay more for insurance and others can opt for plans that do not include this and those people don't get shafted with these bills.

If we can't even do this than there really is NO hope.

I agree with the greatest conservative talk show host of all time Bob Grant - it is too late.

We are in MHO looking at some serious upheavels and social disruption. 

We are looking at Europe.

Bob Grant noted when a caller to his program this weekend to his talk show expressed his belief that Brock's goal is to destroy this country that one of Brock's favorite pet sayings was if you want to rebuild a house you have to tear it down first.

Well he doing an outstanding job.

With all the fiscal problems he is now telling us to worry about birth control - a nod to the female activists.  sad
3785  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Government programs & regulations, spending, budget process on: August 01, 2011, 10:20:39 AM
"We just passed the last exit before crashville."

Agreed.  Thank God for the tea party without which this country would have no chance.

The Democrat party has succeeded in nearly bankrupting us.  The Republicans trying to keep up with them in buying votes (I admit I was not against this strategy in the past) have contributed to it under Bush 2.

I am not sure we can correct this without some tax hikes however.  The numbers are so astoungingly bad I just don't see how we can do this otherwise unless we want to see the breadlines and people begging in the streets again.

Washington has to come clean and tell us forget about retirement till 70 and just wait till the seniors see what real HMO medicine is like.  I've seen it and know they will not like what they see.  It will be worse under the private sector with companies like Humana who are brutally cruel when it comes to scimping on providing care.
3786  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Doug any inside word on Pawlenty? on: July 30, 2011, 01:07:51 PM
His polls numbers are not improving yet.
He needs more debate Iowa exposure I guess.
3787  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Clyburn to Brock: invoke 14th to raise debt ceiling... on: July 30, 2011, 01:06:30 PM
and circumvent Congress which otherwise has the *sole constitutional authority* to do so.  Accodring to Politico below Brock's attorneys do not feel this a winning argument however (thank God!).  PS: Clyburn was reported by Rand Paul on the Mark Levin radio talk show yesterday to have said something to the effect "we do things around here in Washington outside the Constitution all the time":

***'Something like this will bring calm to the American people,' Clyburn said. | Niko Duffy/POLITICO Close
By JENNIFER EPSTEIN | 7/27/11 12:14 PM EDT Updated: 7/27/11 10:33 PM EDT
Rep. James Clyburn and a group of House Democrats are urging President Barack Obama to invoke the 14th Amendment to raise the debt ceiling if Congress can’t come up with a satisfactory plan before the Tuesday deadline.

Clyburn, the third-ranking House Democrat, said Wednesday that if the president is delivered a bill to raise the debt ceiling for only a short period of time, he should instead veto it and turn to the phrase in the Constitution that says the validity of the U.S. government’s debt “shall not be questioned.”

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Boxer on 14th Amendment
Geithner on invoking the 14th Amendment - May 25th, 2011
“If that’s what lands on his desk, a short-term lifting of the ceiling, the debt ceiling, he should put it on his desk next to an executive order,” Clyburn said at a press conference. “He should sign an executive order invoking the 14th Amendment to this issue.” The Associated Press reported that he was applauded when he suggested the idea at a caucus meeting earlier in the day.

“I believe that something like this will bring calm to the American people and will bring needed stability to our financial markets,” Clyburn added, noting that President Harry Truman did it once during his presidency after Congress was unable to pass a bill to raise the debt ceiling.

Obama and others in his administration have said they will not rely on the 14th Amendment. At a town hall last week, Obama said that he has “talked to my lawyers” and “they are not persuaded that that is a winning argument.”

At his daily briefing Wednesday afternoon, White House press secretary Jay Carney knocked down any suggestion that the president would reconsider.

“Our position hasn’t changed. There are not off-ramps, there’s no way around this, there’s no escape,” Carney said. “You know, having an esoteric constitutional argument won’t reduce the fact that the borrowing authority is due to expire on August 2nd and Congress has the legal authority and only Congress has the legal authority to extend that borrowing authority.”

“The president stood here and told you,” Carney added. “We consulted to see what this was about, but this is not an option.”

But Clyburn and several other liberal Democrats urged the president to reconsider.

“We’re getting down to decision time,” said Rep. John Larson (D-Conn.), the chairman of the Democratic caucus. “We have to have a failsafe mechanism and we believe that failsafe mechanism is the 14th Amendment and the president of the United States.”

Appearing on MSNBC later Wednesday morning, Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) suggested that it should be the president’s last resort. “As far as the 14th Amendment is concerned, I urge everybody to get their Constitution and read it. It says the debts of the United States shall not be questioned,” she said.

“If [Republicans] want to make this country a deadbeat nation, this president shouldn’t allow it, none of us should allow it. And I think he should seriously look at whatever options he has.”***

3788  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Perhaps this thread should be renamed... on: July 30, 2011, 12:54:36 PM
-The cognitive dissonance of the illegal immigration debate.-  All we hear from the Democrats is they are "not illegal" they are "undocumented" yet we see this *documentation* of their numbers and reports they are filing tax returns!  So are they undocumented or documented?  Which the hell is it??  My short answer is they are neither - they are illegal.   This article suggest 9% of laborors in Kalifornia are illegal!  That is unbelievable.  So why are so many "legal" people/citizens UNemployed?   For God's sake can't we get rid of the doles?  This might get some people off their asses and back to work in jobs they don't love:

****Improving Mexican economy draws undocumented immigrants home from California

By Stephen Magagnini

Published: Thursday, Jul. 28, 2011 - 12:00 am | Page 1B
Last Modified: Thursday, Jul. 28, 2011 - 11:16 am
There are fewer undocumented immigrants in California – and the Sacramento region – because many are now finding the American dream south of the border.

"It's now easier to buy homes on credit, find a job and access higher education in Mexico," Sacramento's Mexican consul general, Carlos González Gutiérrez, said Wednesday. "We have become a middle-class country."

Mexico's unemployment rate is now 4.9 percent, compared with 9.4 percent joblessness in the United States.

An estimated 300,000 undocumented immigrants have left California since 2008, though the remaining 2.6 million still make up 7 percent of the population and 9 percent of the labor force, according to the Public Policy Institute of California.

Among metropolitan areas with more than 1 million residents, Sacramento County ranks among the lowest, with an unauthorized population of 4.6 percent of its 1.4 million residents in 2008, according to Laura Hill, a demographer with the PPIC.

The Sacramento region, suffering from 12.3 percent unemployment and the construction bust, may have triggered a large exodus of undocumented immigrants, González Gutiérrez said.

The best-paid jobs for undocumented migrants are in the building industry, "and because of the severe crisis in the construction business here, their first response has been to move into the service industry," González Gutiérrez said. "But that has its limits. Then, they move to other areas in the U.S. to find better jobs – or back to Mexico."

Hill said it's hard to know whether the benefit of having fewer undocumented migrants outweighs the cost to employers and taxpayers.

California may have to provide less free education to the children of undocumented immigrants and less emergency medical care, she said, but it will also get less tax revenue.

In 2008, at least 836,100 undocumented immigrants filed U.S. tax returns in California using individual tax identification numbers known as ITINS, said Hill, who conducted the tax survey.

Based on those tax returns, the study found there were 65,000 undocumented immigrants in Sacramento County that year, far fewer than in many other big counties.

Sacramento's undocumented population ranked 10th in the state that year, behind Los Angeles, Orange, San Diego, Santa Clara, San Bernardino, Riverside, Alameda, Contra Costa and Ventura.

There were an estimated 12,000 undocumented immigrants in Yolo County; 9,000 in the Sutter-Yuba area; and 8,000 in Placer County.

An analysis of local ZIP codes showed that Sacramento (95815, 95823, 95824), West Sacramento (95605), Clarksburg (95612), Esparto (95627), Guinda (95637), Knights Landing (95645), Winters (95694) and Woodland (95776) each had an undocumented population of 10 percent to 15 percent.

Yolo County relies heavily on migrant workers to grow and harvest crops.

"People in construction are now turning to agriculture; it's the start of the tomato season so the harvesters will be jump-started pretty soon," said Woodland Mayor Art Pimentel, whose 55,000 residents are 48 percent Latino, some of them undocumented.

Some aren't sticking around for the upcoming tomato harvest, said Sylvina Frausto, secretary of Holy Rosary Church in Woodland. "Some have a small parcel in Mexico. They own their own home there, so instead of renting here they go back to their small business there."

Many raise animals, run grocery stores or sell fruits and goods on street corners.

"They're going back home because they can't get medical help or government assistance anymore," Frausto said, "And when it's getting so difficult for them to find a job without proper documentation, it's pushing them away."

Anita Barnes, director of La Familia Counseling Center on Franklin Boulevard in Sacramento, said she recently spoke to a high school graduate who had lost his job in a restaurant and was thinking of going back to Mexico.

"He came over with his mom, who was in the process of losing her restaurant job," Barnes said. "It's frightening, especially for the children. They feel this is their country, they don't know anything else, and they find they can't get driver's licenses or jobs."

As its economy rebounds, Mexico "is becoming a better option than it was in the past, but you still have to find a job and reconnect," Barnes said.

While the weakened U.S. economy, rising deportations and tougher border enforcement have led to fewer undocumented migrants, changes in Mexico are playing a significant role, González Gutiérrez said.

Mexico's average standard of living – including health, education and per capita income – is now higher than those in Russia, China and India, according to the United Nations.

Mexico's growing middle class "reduces the appetites to come because there are simply many more options" at home, González Gutiérrez said. "Most people who decided to migrate already have a job in Mexico and tend to be the most ambitious and attracted to the income gap between the U.S. and Mexico."

Mexico's economy is growing at 4 percent to 5 percent, benefiting from low inflation, exports and a strong banking system, the consul said.

Mexico's birthrate is also declining sharply. "As a natural consequence of us transforming from a rural to an urban society, we are running out of Mexicans to export," González Gutiérrez said. "Our society's growing at a rate of 2.1 children per woman – in the 1970s it was more than five."

Once the U.S. economy recovers, the flow of migrants moving north "may go up again, although most likely they will not reach the peak levels we saw in the first half of the decade," González Gutiérrez said.****

3789  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Math,a human invention or a human way of seeing reality? on: July 30, 2011, 12:42:51 PM
Why Math Works
Is math invented or discovered? A leading astrophysicist suggests that the answer to the millennia-old question is both

By Mario Livio  | August 3, 2011 | 3
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Fractals, such as this stack of spheres created using 3-D modeling software, are one of the mathematical structures that were invented for abstract reasons yet manage to capture reality.
Image: Illustration by Tom Beddard
In BriefThe deepest mysteries are often the things we take for granted. Most people never think twice about the fact that scientists use mathematics to describe and explain the world. But why should that be the case?
Math concepts developed for purely abstract reasons turn out to explain real phenomena. Their utility, as physicist Eugene Wigner once wrote, “is a wonderful gift which we neither understand nor deserve.”
Part of the puzzle is the question of whether mathematics is an invention (a creation of the human mind) or a discovery (something that exists independently of us). The author suggests it is both.

Most of us take it for granted that math works—that scientists can devise formulas to describe subatomic events or that engineers can calculate paths for space­craft. We accept the view, initially espoused by Galileo, that mathematics is the language of science and expect that its grammar explains experimental results and even predicts novel phenomena. The power of mathematics, though, is nothing short of astonishing. Consider, for example, Scottish physicist James Clerk Maxwell’s famed equations: not only do these four expressions summarize all that was known of electromagnetism in the 1860s, they also anticipated the existence of radio waves two decades before German physicist Heinrich Hertz detected them. Very few languages are as effective, able to articulate volumes’ worth of material so succinctly and with such precision. Albert Einstein pondered, “How is it possible that mathematics, a product of human thought that is independent of experience, fits so excellently the objects of physical reality?”

As a working theoretical astrophysicist, I encounter the seemingly “unreasonable effectiveness of math­ematics,” as Nobel laureate physicist Eugene Wigner called it in 1960, in every step of my job. Whether I am struggling to understand which progenitor systems produce the stellar explosions known as type Ia supernovae or calculating the fate of Earth when our sun ultimately becomes a red giant, the tools I use and the models I develop are mathematical. The uncanny way that math captures the natural world has fascinated me throughout my career, and about 10 years ago I resolved to look into the issue more deeply.
3790  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Biofuels: false hope on: July 30, 2011, 12:37:15 PM
A waste of money?  From Scientific American - biofuels unable to live up to promise.  A synopsis of an article from recent issue:

 ****Scientific American Magazine » August 2011
Feature Articles | Energy & Sustainability 
The False Promise of Biofuels
The breakthroughs needed to replace oil with plant-based fuels are proving difficult to achieve

By David Biello  | August 10, 2011 | 3

In BriefDespite extensive research, biofuels are still not commercially competitive. The breakthroughs needed, revealed by recent science, may be tougher to realize than previously thought.
Corn ethanol is widely produced because of subsidies, and it diverts massive tracts of farmland needed for food. Converting the cellulose in cornstalks, grasses and trees into biofuels is proving difficult and expensive. Algae that produce oils have not been grown at scale. And more advanced genetics are needed to successfully engineer synthetic micro­organisms that excrete hydrocarbons.
Some start-up companies are abandoning biofuels and are instead using the same processes to make higher-margin chemicals for products such as plastics or cosmetics.

Range fuels was a risky but tantalizing bet. The high-tech start-up, begun by former Apple executive Mitch Mandich, attracted millions of dollars in private money plus commitments for up to $156 million in grants and loans from the U.S. government. The plan was to build a large biofuels plant in Soperton, Ga. Each day the facility would convert 1,000 tons of wood chips and waste from Georgia’s vast pulp and paper industry into 274,000 gallons of ethanol. “We selected Range Fuels as one of our partners in this effort,” said Samuel Bodman, then secretary of energy, at the groundbreaking ceremony in November 2007, “because we really believe that they are the cream of the crop.”

That crop has spoiled in the ground. Earlier this year Range Fuels closed its newly built biorefinery without selling a drop of ethanol. Turning biomass into a commercially viable, combustible liquid is tougher than anticipated, the company has found. As expensive equipment sits idle, the firm is searching for more funding to try to solve the problem.
3791  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Race in America on: July 30, 2011, 12:30:07 PM
Good post on the Blow piece about his father.

I can certainly appreciate his pride for his father's service and the logical associated thought:

"Maybe it was the pain of risking his life abroad for a freedom that he couldn’t fully enjoy at home."

It is hard not to feel some disgrace over the treatment of Blacks only a generation ago.
I wish the South would do away with the Confederate flag once and for all.  All the spinning arguments in the world do not make me see how this symbol is not hurtful to those who suffered from racial disparity.

Yeah it is a free country and one can wave the Nazi flag but as Jew I still don't have to like it.

In any case I agree with George Will that "Glory" was by far the best Civil War movie made which is within the theme of this thread.
3792  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Marriage and Family on: July 29, 2011, 02:31:39 PM
"but I am questioning why it's illegal and criminal"

I'll answer it a different way:
Only because it is not politically correct to be a polygamist.
3793  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Government programs & regulations, spending, budget process on: July 29, 2011, 11:57:31 AM
Scott G wrote,

"I suspect the great majority of Americans would be stunned to realize that if we
allowed government spending to increase by only 2% a year, then we could probably
balance the budget in about 7 years, without any need to increase tax rates or
actually cut anybody's spending."

Is it possible we can get rid of all our debt and not just " balance the budget?"

Why is it good taxation has to continouosly be done to cover interest rates?

Understand I am a novice so I am not sure my question is clear.
3794  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Marriage and Family on: July 29, 2011, 11:04:56 AM
"I do not understand why it's illegal; a criminal act."

Well if polygamists can organize into a radical semi militant poltical action group like the gays and make it politically correct than it will become legal.

If "father" "mother" is to be replaced with "parent" then why not "parent's", wives and husbands (plural intended).

Just one more step in gutting our cultural norms.

Isn't it all just glorious and beautiful?
3795  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / My view Noonan is off a bit on: July 29, 2011, 10:47:35 AM
"The fact is, he's good at dismantling. He's good at critiquing. He's good at not being the last guy, the one you didn't like. But he's not good at building, creating, calling into being. He was good at summoning hope, but he's not good at directing it and turning it into something concrete that answers a broad public desire."

Not exactly right in this analysis.  The problem is the guy does not like America as we know it.  He is angry at whites, capitilism, conservatism.  He is hugely anti what America has been all about for 200+ years.   As his obnoxious statement,
""Believe me, the idea of doing things on my own is very tempting. I promise you."
But, he had to concede, "that's not how our system works."
He *again* reveals his disdain for our republic and is in all out effort to change the system to what suits him.  He has been obvious this way from day one but only to those who listened carefully and were not stupid of naive enough to fall for his con.

I have agreed with all those about his true nature - liberal, angry minority, personality DISORDER.  I suspected this guy would fold once people finally started to catch on more and more to his con.

Unfortunately there are many people who are quite happy to support him and many indeed who feel he has not played liberal enough and want wealth transfer and big government so Brock is certainly not without a big group of people who are also angry and dislike America.

Yes he is ultimately a loser, but it is his whole philisophy about himself his role who he is and his beliefs that make him that way.

Not just incompetance.
3796  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: July 28, 2011, 02:15:18 PM
"Earlier yesterday, as National Journal reports, Obama "let his frustration over the stalled debt talks seep into an address on Latino issues, confessing that he'd like to 'bypass Congress and change the laws on my own' ":

He told the National Council of La Raza, "Believe me, the idea of doing things on my own is very tempting. I promise you."
But, he had to concede, "that's not how our system works."

He said this??  The guy is "f*ing" tyrant.

This kind of talk should certainly be headline news on every national media.  But of course not a peep from MSM.
3797  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / From Forbes off Drudge:Gobal Warming data wrong on: July 28, 2011, 02:08:55 PM
Nasa satellite data shows atmosphere releases far more heat than WHO computer data:
3798  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Mexico-US matters on: July 27, 2011, 12:25:12 PM
Is the Wikepedia blurb above outdated?  It claims Congress can do this.

How could one expect the DOJ to investigate itself or in this case the connected WH?
3799  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Government programs & regulations, spending, budget process on: July 27, 2011, 12:23:19 PM
"I do think his tenants are entitled to electrical work that is safe, i.e. not prone to cause a fire"

OK his tenants can get an outside opinion at their expense.

Rather than have *everyone* else pay up and go through a bureacracy.

3800  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Media Issues/entertainment/corporate/crime complex on: July 27, 2011, 11:43:46 AM
Almost certianly Piers Morgan is lying.  The entire entertainment industry is rampant with criminal behavior.  We have had our phones hacked, tapped, listening devices, breaking and entering, stolen intellectual property, surveillance to do harm, bribery theft at the Copyright Office, bribery of government officials and more.  The stolen lyrics and anything else we say or do that can be sold to make a buck shows up in commercials, comedy skits, talk shows, cartoons, movie lines, marketing ads, throughout the "entertainment" industry.  Everyone has connections, and spread the material around.   No most of them are not doing the stealing but the are party to passing it around, making deals amongst themselves, looking the other way, claiming it for themselves, and following the code of silence. 

The News corp is not an exception - it is the rule.  I have claimed this for years.  But I am not a powerful person with billions and connections.  So no one gives a shit about me or Katherine.  But News has many wealthy and politically connected enemies.  So this gets traction and people to actually do something about it.

Folks let me say again - this behaviour is not the exception - it is the rule.   Indeed the device makers have ways to "get in" your devices.  Try finding it embedded.  Try doing anyhting about it.

When I hear the doppy girly news anchors ask their guest who come on their shows to talk of the surveillance ask, "can one opt out?" all I can do is cringe at their ignorance an naivity:

*****Phone Hacking

CNN's Piers Morgan 'told interviewer stories were published based on phone tapping'
Piers Morgan, the CNN broadcaster, has said that newspaper articles based on the findings of people paid to tap phones and rake through bins were published during his time as a tabloid newspaper editor, it can be disclosed.
Piers Morgan, Rebekah Brooks and Andy Coulson have all edited the News of the World Photo: REX
 By Jon Swaine, New York
12:40AM BST 27 Jul 2011
Mr Morgan, a former News of the World and Daily Mirror editor who is now a high-profile television presenter in the US, has spent the past week categorically denying ever printing material derived from phone hacking.

He spoke out after being accused by a Conservative MP and political bloggers of being involved in the phone hacking scandal that has engulfed Rupert Murdoch’s media empire, for which he used to work.

“For the record, in my time at the News of the World and the Mirror, I have never hacked a phone, told anyone to hack a phone, or published any stories based on the hacking of a phone,” he said last week on CNN, where he now hosts a talk-show.

But it has emerged that Mr Morgan gave a notably different response when asked during an interview with the BBC about his potential involvement in covert "gutter" journalistic practices during his time as a tabloid editor between 1994 and 2004.

“What about this nice middle-class boy, who would have to be dealing with, I mean essentially people who rake through bins for a living, people who tap people’s phones, people who take secret photographs, who do all that nasty down-in-the-gutter stuff,” he was asked on BBC's Desert Island Discs in June 2009. “How did you feel about that?"
Mr Morgan replied: “To be honest, let’s put that in perspective as well. Not a lot of that went on. A lot of it was done by third parties rather than the staff themselves. That’s not to defend it, because obviously you were running the results of their work.

"I’m quite happy to be parked in the corner of tabloid beast and to have to sit here defending all these things I used to get up to, and I make no pretence about the stuff we used to do,” he told the programme's host, Kirsty Young.

“I simply say the net of people doing it was very wide, and certainly encompassed the high and low end of the supposed newspaper market.”

The discovery of Mr Morgan’s comment, first hinted at by the Guido Fawkes political blog, came after Trinity Mirror, the parent company of The Daily Mirror, announced it had opened an investigation into editorial standards at its newspapers in light of the phone hacking scandal.

Clive Goodman, a reporter for The News of the World, and Glenn Mulcaire, a private investigator employed by the newspaper, were jailed in 2007 for illegally hacking mobile phone voicemails. News International, the paper's parent company, initially said the scandal was limited to a "rogue reporter" but in recent weeks conceded it was in fact widespread.

The News of the World was shut down and several more arrests have been made, including Andy Coulson, a former News of the World editor hired by David Cameron to be the chief spokesman at 10 Downing Street and Rebekah Brooks, Mr Murdoch's former British newspaper chief. But News International has made clear it believes hacking was widespread among other tabloids.

At the weekend James Hipwell, a Daily Mirror financial columnist between 1998 and 2000, said that illegal phone hacking was “endemic” during Mr Morgan's editorship. "You know what people around you are doing,” he said.

Last week Mr Morgan was accused in a parliamentary committee by Louise Mensch, the Tory MP for Corby, of publishing an article in 2002 about an affair between Sven Goran Eriksson, the England football coach, and Ulrika Jonsson, the television presenter, which he knew had been obtained via phone hacking. He denied this and demanded an apology during a nine-minute row on live television.

Sources close to Mr Morgan said that he was referring to the tabloid industry in general. In a statement, he said: “I have never hacked a phone, told anyone to hack a phone, nor to my knowledge published any story obtained from the hacking of a phone. I am not aware, and have never seen evidence to suggest otherwise, that any Mirror story published during my tenure was obtained from phone hacking.”
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