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3751  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed on: November 11, 2012, 10:43:57 AM
Last post for the day.

People who have read or remember any of my posts would know I used to be more of a "moderate" republican.  But three terms of Bushes prove this is doomed to failure.  We do not need Jeb or now we have another one.

As before H gave us Clinton.  W was worse - we got the racist socialist American hating guy we have.  W tried to close the donut hole,  compassionate conservatism etc.  What did it accomplish?  All it did was give away more benefits and then the left moves *forward* even more.  It does not stop their movement.  It does not make them happy.  It doesn't even slow them down.   WE have to keep the eye on the ball - the END GAME.  What is their endgame
One *world* government
Essentially no religion.  Both concepts are "Medievil"

There should be no USA.  Just one country and the wealth shared and spread around as the central government sees fit.

Of course the libs, including my fellow Jewish intellectuals will say that this is "progress", this is "good, this is "fair".  That those who will be in charge will still be duly elected, and we the people will have the power to remove, replace, change correct the government.   This is fantasy.   We will lose our freedoms, we will be servants of government and the power will be so great we will be helpless.

In any case the point is to watch where THIER endgame is.  Concilialtion will only reuslt in short delays and not win anyone over to our side.

We do have to win with ideas.  Not with more giveaways.  But for now I don't think ideas will/can win.  Not until the country breaks more.  Unfortunately we will have to endure far more pain before the "masses" will be able to see this.  Till then they buy the demogaguery that the rich need to pay more hook line and sinker.  This is what they all say while waiting in line picking up their checks or running to the mailbox to do the same.
3752  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed on: November 11, 2012, 10:29:59 AM
One last warning.  We read rumors about the increasing and expanding surviellance of our government.  As our world, our lives, our humanity, including all our communications, our interactions,  our believes, thoughts, transactions, buisness and personal become digitalized into the exponential data streams that are collected, catalogued, categorized, and analyzed by our government and sadly but surely private companies our freedoms will diminish.

Knowing full well how it is virtually impossible to protect electronic data,  Indeed no average person can even get any kind of device that can be even reasonalby be protected (don't kiod yourself with the propaganda about enscryption - etc) we are virtually at 100% risk of totaliarism.   Akin to the Okhrana police of the Tsars,  and later the KGB.

We hear rumors that our government is surviellancing "right" wing groups.  Oh really?  Who, Why and who decides what is right wing or a danger.  Obama would consider any teapartier to be a danger.  I am not kidding.  There is an appearance that progressive powers in our government is gearing up to combat what they will perceive is a counter revolution.

Warning made.  Readers beware.  I believe it is happening before us but under the radar.

3753  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / part two on: November 11, 2012, 10:19:52 AM
I don't know how our party can compete with bribery of blocks of citizens.   We can't come back with ok we will give you food stamps, medicaid, welfare, unempolyment, easier disability,  tax (the shrinking share of taxpayers ) more, school loans health care and guess what  WE will throw in "free" season tickets to see your favorite football team - courtesy of the rich.

Hey aren't I entitled to have seats?

I don't know if a really charismatic, persuasive telegenic candidate is enough.

I don't know if the ideals that were the core traditional American values reflected in our constitution are enough.   People want the easy route - the cold hard cash.

The only thing I can see is until this socialist turn crashes of its own weight - until taxes are 79% like in France,  and our debt load cruhes us,  and people will begin to realize this IS worse,  until then, it may be too late.
3754  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Way Forward for the American Creed on: November 11, 2012, 10:12:53 AM
Doug,

As for immigration it may the politically correct thing to do to get it off the table as Krauthammer and apparantly Hannity believe.  I can say with full confidence that this WILL not resolve the Republicans Latino minority status.  First if we do not concede amnesty we can be totallly 100% guaranteed Obama will grant it before his teem expires anyway.

Second if anyone believes that a Repub party backing of amnesty will make most Latinos love our party that all I have to do is remind everyone Reagan granted amnesty to what was it 1.5 or 3 million illegals 25 yrs ago.  And what was his thanks?  20 million more flood the country and 75% of the Asians, Latinos and the rest vote for the opposing party.  We must first learn from history - not repeat it.

Rush Limbaugh is correct here.  It is not about immigration policie.  That is all a smoke screen.  The issue for Latinos who are on the bottom rungs of th economic ladder, many are single mothers,  is the government giveaways.  period.
3755  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: November 07, 2012, 12:24:01 PM
Agreed with the above posts.  All very discouraging.  Bob Grant may be right - it is already too late.

How do we attract Latinos to the repub part without simply trying to out bid the crats with tax payer funded bribes?

How do we deal with illegals?  Latino and non Latino?  We just grant them amnesty?  WE offter them the chance for student loans, food stamps, obamacare?   throw in a "free" cell phone?

American values are clearly no longer held by an increasingly larger and larger number of people. 

Crafty, did you ever start the "direction of the Republican party" thread. 

I really don't know how to compete with cold hard cash - confiscated from taxpayers and given away "free benefits" to a larger and larger electorate.  Nothing competes with cold hard cash for a vote.

We can talk about freedom, liberty, personal responsibility, smaller government, capitalism, everyone has a chance to succeed, etc.  But that will not work too well against a party that stuffs greenbacks (funny money that doesn't exist - 16 and counting trillion in debt) into their constituents pockets. 

We will go from an exceptional country to a second rate stagnant one.

3756  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: November 06, 2012, 10:06:01 AM
 grin

I sure hope he is right.

His reputation is on the line.  Who will ever listen to him again if he is wrong?

Does he say anything about the Senate?

What good is Romney if he is up against a socialist Senate? shocked
3757  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Fascism, liberal fascism, progressivism, socialism: on: October 31, 2012, 12:43:27 PM
I just read a condensed biography of Lenin and am in process of reading montiofore's incredidibly detailed biography of Stalin.  At least the one of his pre 1917 days.

What Lenin unleashed on the planet is unbelievable.   He was not about change in Tsarist Russia.  At the climax of his life when he jumped on to the armored car and screamed to his followers who brought him back from hiding in Finland to Russia,  He exclaimed, "long live the **worldwide** communist revolution" to the cheers of thousands.  It was a remarkable moment in history.  He spent nearly his entire life since around the time his elder brother was executed by the Tsar evolving into the revolutionary who along with Stalin and Trotsky brought a new power to Russia.  Yet from what I read, that as he was becoming more and more feeble before his death in 1924 from a series of strokes , he could see how Stalin was working behind the scenes consolidating power - and he was absolutely aghast at what he saw.  Indeed the biogrpher I read believes he felt Stalin's vision of Communism was unlike what was intended.  Instead of a government ruled by the workers (90% of the people) Russia got one of the most oppressive, ruthless, violent, mafia style governments run by just a relative few with Stalin the supreme terror magnate.  Even Lenin concluded at the end this was far worse then any oppression of the Tsars.  Yet he was too weakened to do anything about it, and Stalin whos genius lay in a combination of street wise thuggery and intellectual ability at organizing, leading and supreme dedication to his brand of communism (with him at the top) was, I can tell you, a 1,000,000,000 times worse then Al Capone.

I hate to say it, but I am no longer really proud to be Jewish.  There are simply too many Jews like Oliver Stone.   Indeed many of the socialists of Europe and Russia were of my faith.  


One of my grandfathers came here to escape the communist revolution I was told.  He was proud of America. In fact eh rarely, so I am told spolke Yiddish or Russian becasue he wanted to be an American  Unlike many immigrants of today.  As for the socialist revolutions in Europe many Jews were part of it.  I guess they had some justification with regards to fighting an opressive Tsarist culture but unlike many who came to America and fell in love with captilism and Democracy too many persist in communist dogma.  I still question if the Axelrods of communist Russia are ancestors to David Axelrods communist parents.

Again as I have noted on this board for years  I say too many Jews including those who would aplogize for Stalin, hold the Republican party in lower regard to the Nazi party.  Stone is one.  David Axelschmuck is another.  Brockman knows this too well.  Shame on fellow Jews for supporting this American hating monstrosity in the WH.

They are not too stupid to think he is not using them - they just don't care.  Anything for the beloved Democarat party.  I am no longer proud of many of my brethren.

I suggest people read Palmer's bio on Lenin and Montiofore's on Stalin.  I am sure George Soro's woudl say that the ideology of communism or its variants are good - what he would call "GOOD GOVERNMENT".  Just that communism got a bad rap by some selfish power hungry psychopaths in Russia.  I say he is wrong - dead wrong - without checks and balances there is NO such thing as "good" government.  Not now or ever in the history of mankind.  Nor will there ever be.  The ONLY difference between what we are seeing now in the US with Obama and his puppet masters and Russia of the 20th century is the lack of violence.  That they are almost to succeed without violence is a sight to behold by me.

Thank God there are some brilliant Jews left like David Horowitz.
3758  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Media Issues on: September 20, 2012, 11:13:11 AM
A day or two ago Geraldo Rivera was asking a guest about Romney's 47% comments and his first question had to do with somethng to the affect was this a criticism of Blacks.

I couldn't believe he was turning this issue into a racial thing.

He sits on Fox and he calls himself a Republiican?  He is no republican he is saying that only because he is on Fox.

I am no longer a fan of Rivera.

3759  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Rules of the Road/Fire Hydrant on: September 20, 2012, 11:08:09 AM
GM.

Come back you are missed.

ccp
3760  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: September 18, 2012, 09:27:45 AM
Romney's messages are too canned.

It will be a shame if Repubs lose the election because they do not have a mouthpiece who can spin like Clinton.

Then again they are up against the MSM, they are against a party that uses tax money to bribe as much electorate as they can.

Ari Fleischer was defending Romney and clearly pointing out the obvious.  That 47 % paying no income taxes is a huge problem.  Yet Andersan Cooper could not see to focus on this very valid and accurate point.  Instead it was all about seniors who make up some of this group, it is about payroll tax (which we all know does not go into a lockbox account to pay for what it is supposed to but gets spent for other programs), and the "victimhood" remark.   

As though the 47% are not happy to keep sticking it to the rich and taking their checks.  They are all so insulted.  Just more political correctness.

So will Obama be Carter or Romney Dole?  It seems they are both.



What Romney said is exactly true.  The country has become dependent, expecting the government to take care of them.

Case - proof in point - single mothers.   They are overwhelmingly for the Democrats.

The country clearly is on the wrong track.  But people don't care about ideology.  They care about their bills.
3761  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: September 13, 2012, 10:55:11 AM
"the facts remains IMHO that Bush made some major errors and public trust in Republican foreign affairs competence is very low."

In retrospect yes.

Hillary came out well in explaining the position better today.

The middle east is an inferno with no really great solution for the US or Israel.

Adding, if anyone has any doubts about Hillary running for 2016 you only need look at her today.

3762  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Political Rants & interesting thought pieces on: September 12, 2012, 02:19:27 PM
My sentiments exactly ditto the above post.

Once again as noted years ago.  Brock Obama would never have become President without the help of liberal Jews.

They need to rethink their political alignment.

I know they are Democrat party hacks for multiple reasons:

Religious doctrine to be for the underdog
Democrat party which has historically  been for immigrants (votes) and most Jews and their descendants came here 100 years ago as immigrants.

Historical bigotry against Jews from Republican wasps and Christains (you can't come to our universities or country clubs).

Guilt, but far more for *narcissm* or the belief that if one pretends they are for the poor or downtrodden somehow this makes them wiser, smarter, better, superior to other people.   Perhaps part of the "chosen ones" theme (I am not sure).

Trust me, on the last point.  No one in this fucking world *has ever* thanked Jews for this narcissistic pursuit.  If so we would not have for ages and into the present and for the forseable future been so resented, so disliked and held as the scapegoats.

Unfortunately I don't think the Axelrods, Emanuals etc have the capacity to ever admit they are wrong.  Additionally they all have too much influence and power (while getting rich) doing what they do for their democrat party.

Dershowitz, despite being pompous and also a bit narcisstic has far more humanity and I suspect kindness in his heart.  He seems more rational. 

EOM
3763  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: September 12, 2012, 02:07:47 PM
OK, I am in the minority.

I support an all out attack on Iran's nuclear facilities and whatever else it takes.  Should have been done years ago.

3764  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Media Issues on: September 09, 2012, 11:06:09 AM
This AM obama's surrogate Fareed Zakaria is twisting the arguments ass backwards and saying the Republicans, and conservatives are angry at America.

It is all "nostalgia" which is the liberal's new way of saying the Republicans just are white male racists who want white supremacy.

He had a bunch of liberal friends from Harvard (of course or Princeton of course) to advance his case.

The liberals will not cease to make this into a race baiting election.

My answer is if the right was about nostalgia for slavery or segregation than why are we trying as hard as possible to include as many minorities as possible.

Romney has to make the case it is the left that hates American ideals, hates American exceptionalism, capatilism, constitutionalism, and limited government.  With regard to the latter MR and conservatives continue to fail to make the case that less government is better.

Today Art Laffler was on FOX and was asked specifically and directly an important question that goes to the heart of today's neo civil war.

He was asked why is should people believe that "trickle down" economics is better for the majority of people?  Do not the rich keep getting richer and the rest of the people stagnate?  Why not increase tax rates on higher earners, Clinton did it and the economy boomed.  Laffler was a complete failure at articulating a logical rational simple response that most people would agree to.

I gaurantee Doug McG would do a far better job at answering these questions ina way the average could understand and immediately agree to.

I do not understand why these core questions are not being answered by the MR team.  All they do is talk "jobs", the "debt", and other buzz words that DO NOT specify why history proves them/us rright and the socialists wrong.

If they can learn to answer these types of questions then the game is won.  If not we wiol contine to have fecnce sitters who will decide the safer course is government handouts and wealth transfer.

I just get it.  Romney is still playing a win by default game.
3765  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / first jewish champion boxer on: September 08, 2012, 01:24:37 PM
I read he made boxing popular in Ireland:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Mendoza
3766  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: September 07, 2012, 06:37:41 PM
And lets not forget that the reason Clinton balanced the budget was because of the largest stock market boom since 1929 casuing taxs revenues to skyrocket and then went bust two months after he left office leaving W with a recession.

You know I just read a shortened biography about WC Fields.  It describes with deep sympathetic detail how Fields ran away from home at 11 after in  self defense he smashed his cruel father over the head with a crate.  And how this child had to live on the streets in holes, in empty sewer pipes, surviving off the streets.   Then I read on Wikipedia a report that this was all bullshit.  He really left home at 18, had a decent middle class upbringing, and his supported his juggling career.  I don't know which story is accurate yet I know how people in entertainment can completely make up histories, and biographies.

There must be something about rocesea that makes people into fabulous bullshit artists.

It is bad enough when entertainers lie, and Lord knows (as do I) how they do, but when we have leaders of our country who we entrust.....

I disagree with Noonan on Clinton's speech.  It doesn't make him look small.  It is quite the opposite.  He is a little man who speaks with phoney gradiosity.  Once a liar - always a liar.  Indeed, even if he ever does tell the truth how would we know?
3767  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: September 06, 2012, 07:18:25 PM
It is heartwarming to know that the US military agrees with Russia on this issue.  Israelis should sleep well at night:

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-says-attacking-iran-disastrous-ifax-064755751.html
3768  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: September 06, 2012, 07:07:46 PM
"Michele Obama has turned into a great political performer, and her speech Tuesday night was remarkable and memorable'

Truthfully, wouldn't most people get good at making speeches if they do it frequently for years?
3769  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: September 06, 2012, 12:27:36 PM
It remains to be seen if CNN and other MSM do "fact checks" on Clinton's speech which reminded quite well how he can spin anything and the media will drool all over him.  Truth, reality, facts, history - for some reason because he spins it so well he gets away with anything.

He apparently has that ability to fool some of the people "all of the time".
3770  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: September 06, 2012, 12:24:35 PM
Taiwan/China and the Koreas are at this time a standoff.

Iran leadership has made their intentions known.  Different situations.

As for our military we have a commander in chief who has made his intentions known.]

Top military brass traditionally do not contradict him in public.

I don't agree with the US taking the risk of Iran getting nuclear devices and possibly murdering tens of thousands or more.

Preemptive action should have been taken years ago in my armchair opinion.

The risk of nuclear war is going to be far higher when Iran gets nuclear weapons.   sanctions will not work and cannot work - not with China and Russia not supporting them.
3771  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Media Issues on: September 05, 2012, 04:03:29 PM
Good post.   It remains to be seen how CNN's anchors fact check the Dems during their convention.

The women anchors on CNN hve made Republican "fact checking" a career taking it on with passion and vengeance.
3772  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: September 05, 2012, 03:49:07 PM
"That said, if a drawn out war ensues, no one is saying that we won't step in before Israel is destroyed.  Of course we would."

JDN this totally misses the point whether accurate or not.

Once Iran achieves a couple of deliverable nuclear devices Israel can be destroyed in minutes.

The whole point is Iran needs to be prevented from doing this at the outset.  The longer we wait the more difficult it becomes to stop them.

I suppose one other possibility is the US is waiting for more inside intelligence data to better prepare for as close to a knockout blow as possible but this seems very wishful thinking.

3773  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Politics of Health Care on: September 04, 2012, 03:50:13 PM
"PM revealed himself to be a progressive ass in way over his head without even realizing it."

When he first replaced Larry K I thought he was pretty good.  Now I see him as just an opinionated bore.   And I thought Larry was too liberal.   shocked
 
 
 
3774  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: September 04, 2012, 03:45:34 PM
"not really addressed in JDN's posted piece, is the ongoing hardening of Iranian defenses"

Precisely!   We keep hearing one excuse after another why not to attack.  "We don't know where all their targets are known".

This can always be the case.  So next year would be a better time to attack then this year?  These excuses have been ongoing for years now.
3775  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: September 04, 2012, 03:40:15 PM
Yes as feared the military option never was really on the table.  It was all talk the last couple of months to keep liberal Jews sending in the money for his campaign.

I am a bit concerned even MR is now equivicating by saying we need "crippling" sanctions.  It is painfully obvious this will not and cannot work.

The only ones who want war is Iran.

The Romans would have known what to do - "you want war we will give you war, you want peace we will give you peace".

John Bolton keeps saying as some of us here - if one thinks iran is a pain now just imagine what they would be like with nuclear weapons.

I guess the only other option would have been to take a John McCain route and have supported the protesters a few years ago and try to get them to overthrow the mullahs.
3776  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / This an example of OWS people having a point. on: September 02, 2012, 04:11:41 PM
Got to get this off the page before the election.  Justice is skewed when big money and influence is involved.  On this OWS people are certainly correct.   Not a peep from Republicans on this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/16/jon-corzine-hedge-fund_n_1791198.html
3777  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: September 02, 2012, 03:53:32 PM
"that a military strike could damage but not destroy Iran’s nuclear capability"

Well of course a country cannot forever stop another from seeking nuclear weapons.

It would always be delaying or temporarily stopping it.

The fact no military action has been taken for two decades has made it much harder.

Think if Israel had not struck Iraq in the early eighties or Syria when they did.  It could only be worse.

The point is Israel has NO choice.  Iran's intentions are quite clear.

What's best for America?


Apparantly the Obama people and perhaps the US military has decided a nuclear Iran is better than the alternative.


That is also clear.

This is not best for Israel.
3778  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Obama and Democratic party cartel's strategy not new. on: September 02, 2012, 03:45:09 PM
*Plato warned that democratic leaders would “rob the rich, keep as much of the proceeds as they can for themselves and distribute the rest to the people”.*

The lessons of history seem to be lost in the generations.  Friom the Economist.

****Democracies and debt
Voters are now facing a harsh truth
Sep 1st 2012 | from the print edition
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ALMOST half the world’s population now lives in a democracy, according to the Economist Intelligence Unit, a sister organisation of this newspaper. And the number of democracies has increased pretty steadily since the second world war. But it is easy to forget that most nations have not been democratic for much of their history and that, for a long time, democracy was a dirty word among political philosophers.

One reason was the fear that democratic rule would lead to ruin. Plato warned that democratic leaders would “rob the rich, keep as much of the proceeds as they can for themselves and distribute the rest to the people”. James Madison, one of America’s founding fathers, feared that democracy would lead to “a rage for paper money, for an abolition of debts, for an equal division of property and for any other improper or wicked projects”. Similarly John Adams, the country’s second president, worried that rule by the masses would lead to heavy taxes on the rich in the name of equality. As a consequence, “the idle, the vicious, the intemperate would rush into the utmost extravagance of debauchery, sell and spend all their share, and then demand a new division of those who purchased from them.”

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Democracy may have its faults but alternative systems have proved no more fiscally prudent. Dictatorships may still feel the need to bribe their citizens (eg, via subsidised fuel prices) to ensure their acquiescence while simultaneously spending large amounts on the police and the military to shore up their power. The absolute monarchies of Spain and France suffered fiscal crises in the 17th and 18th centuries, and were challenged by Britain and the Netherlands which, though not yet democracies, had dispersed power more widely. Financial problems contributed to the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Nevertheless, with much of the democratic world now in the throes of a debt crisis, it is tempting to ask whether the fears of Madison and Adams have come to pass. Given the rise in inequality in America and Britain over the past 30 years, it is hard to argue that democracies have led to the confiscation of private wealth. Quite the reverse: modern American politicians either need to be wealthy, or need the financial backing of the rich.

But there is a broader problem. Modern governments play a much larger role in the economy than the ancient Greeks or the founding fathers could have imagined. This makes political leaders a huge source of patronage, in the form of business contracts, social benefits, jobs and tax breaks. As the late political scientist, Mancur Olson, pointed out, these goodies are highly valuable to the recipients but the cost to the average voter of any single perk will be small. So beneficiaries will have every incentive to lobby for the retention of their perks and taxpayers will have little reason to campaign against them. Over time the economy will be weighed down by all these costs, like a barnacle-encrusted ship. The Greek economy could be seen as a textbook example of these problems.

One answer could be to take fiscal policy out of the hands of elected leaders, just as responsibility for monetary policy has been handed to independent central bankers. To some extent, that has been happening. Greece was briefly run by Lucas Papademos, an unelected former central banker, and Italy is still ruled by Mario Monti, a former EU commissioner. These technocrats are, it is assumed, more willing to take unpopular decisions.

Another approach, with which America has occasionally flirted, is to pass decisions to a bipartisan commission. (This may be the best answer to the “fiscal cliff” that looms in 2013.) Since the decisions of such a commission, and indeed of technocrats in Greece and Italy, are still subject to a parliamentary vote, democracy is not completely abandoned.

For a long time, there did not seem to be any limit to the amount democracies could borrow. Creditors have been more patient with democratic governments than with other regimes, probably because the risk of abrupt changes of policy (like the repudiation of Tsarist debts by Russia in 1917) are reduced. But this has postponed the crunch point, rather than eliminated it—and allowed stable democracies to accumulate higher debt, relative to their GDP, than many, more volatile countries ever achieved. Governments can, as Madison suggested, confiscate the wealth of domestic creditors via inflation, taxes or default. But however often they vote, democracies cannot make foreign lenders extend credit. That harsh truth is now being discovered.

Economist.com/blogs/buttonwood

from the print edition | Finance and economics .Copyright © The Economist Newspaper Limited 2012. All rights res*****
3779  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Israel, and its neighbors on: September 01, 2012, 12:57:24 PM
MR is waffling a bit with the "crippling sanctions" lines.  It is painfully obvious that there is no such thing and can be no such thin when we have China, Russia, and others not playing ball with us on that matter.

MR now is saying military option is "on the table".    Here we go again.  Same BS line that at this point has zero affect on Iran leadership.

Of course not much Mitt can do at this point unitl he is President.
3780  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: September 01, 2012, 12:51:52 PM
Crafty I agree with your post.

"The American uni-polar moment is gone"

And good riddance.  

I only saw a small portion of the convention but someone (Mitt?) was speaking about "only America can lead the charge against crises around the world" (or something to that effect).

This is in my opinion a blunder.  I personally, and believe most Americans have come to agree that we DO NOT want to be the policemen for the world.

It may have been John McCain who was stating this stuff.  I do not agree with we should be getting involved in every middle east country every time there is a crises.

America should not be taking on the role of spreading Democracy around the world.  We can encourage it, promote it but keep our troops our money out of it.  I think most Americans agree with me.   And Dick Morris also said as such when he mentioned how when he listened to McCain speech "alarm" bells starting going off in his head - those who were hearing the speech would be thinking, oh no not again.

I generelly like McCain but on this he is nuts.  We don't need more wars unless it is in our absolute security interests.

I feel helping Israel is in our direct security but of course I am biased because I am Jewish.  I don't know if JDN and the rest of Americans can be persauded as such.  On this I like what Romney has to say for it is clearly inevitable that military action is needed to stop Iran from finishing the job they are hell bent on for 2-3 decades.
3781  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Obama Phenomena on: August 31, 2012, 09:13:06 AM
Harvey Golub the ex ceo of American express was on cnbc this am and I thought he said in a nutshell my conclusions after doing some amatuer reading up on history.

He stated that history is replete with examples that the ONLY political system that works to lift people's lives upward in socio economic class has three components:

1- free markets
2- property rights
3- rule of law

Government control whether communism, socialism, facsism has never worked in creating wealth.

I remember we pondered why in Latin America their is so much more divergence of the classes as opposed to US / Canada.  There was a good documentary on this exact point but i don't recall if it was from channel 13 or Nova.  Anyway it had to do with the difference in landownership.  Those from England who came to the new world to Englished settled colonies were almost all indentured servants.  Howev er they were allowed to work off their debt and purchace and own land.

In Latino settled countries they were not allowed to own land.  They lived as virtual serfs renting from the big land grwoing landowners.

That is why in Latino countries they are controlled by groups of oligarchy families who gained and maintained control over the centuries.

As for communism we only look at the dust bin of history to see the results of that.

We need the rule of law to keep the markets free. 

IMO we don't need more regulation but more enforcement of laws  that we have.

In any case I thought Golub's presentation this AM was spot on and the best summary yet of why Obama, and his radicals must be thrown out.

The little mealy mouth mouse on CNN (soloDAD) was of course asking Chirstine Odonnel if Romney is "radical".  What a joke, obama is the one who is trying to change 200 yrs of tradition in the US and the "mouse" was calling MR the "radical".  Of course ODonnel blew the answer.  I don't know for the life of me why she is on a national program .  I guess CNN libs made certain to put her on the day after the convention to try to undercut the Repubs.
3782  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Obama the figure head for the existing revolution in America on: August 28, 2012, 04:20:47 PM
The liberals have figured out how to carry revolution in the US.  Simply increase thier numbers by adding victim groups, the poor, the minorities, gays, now single women and bribe them with taxpayer monies.

They need not lift a gun, fire a shot, send anyone into exile.  Simply confiscate from a smaller and smaller group and use those monies to pay off those who will then in turn keep voting for them.

It can't be any more clear.

The problem is that many are happy to have others pay for them.  You can't "educate" them.  Only bribe them more.

  One difference between Lenin and brockman is Vladimir was the guru and the spokesperson whereas Brock is just the spokesperson.
  One similarity is Lenin was also interested in world wide revolution not just in Russia.  Russia was just the base of operations.   Now the progressives want to spread the one world wide government, get rid of religion, culture, sovereignty with one world wide centralized controlling authority.  The concept of the UN being in charge is only a step in the direction of ONE world government.

Dinesh was on cable the other night and descended a bit into psychobabble, but the overall direction of his conclusions are right on.
  
3783  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / "Forward" is blatant on: August 28, 2012, 04:06:36 PM
I never thought I would see a sitting President so obviously promote a socialist/communist agenda.   I am reading a condensed biography of Lenin and the comparisons today are wide and broad.  The only difference that rather than force of arms the present revolutionary left is using taxpayer funds to simply bribe a majority.  Every time they need a few more votes they come up with another group to put in the victim category to increase their voting share.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorw%C3%A4rts
3784  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Fascism, liberal fascism, progressivism, socialism: on: August 26, 2012, 07:06:25 PM
Obama, Axelrod, Jarrett's communist connections.   I was trying to find if David Axelrod who is the offspring of Russian Jewish immigrants and whose mother worked for a radical right newspaper funded by Marshall was in any way related to the marxist/communist Pavel Axelrod who was associated with Vladimir Lenin.   I cannot find if there is an ancestral link or not but this piece has some other interesting communist links between some of the players:

http://spectator.org/archives/2012/08/03/all-in-the-political-family
3785  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Iraq on: August 19, 2012, 01:58:07 PM
W's embracing of the neocons' concept of spreading democracy around the world is so far a decided failure for America's interests.

This is the thanks we get.

Reminds me of the thanks Jews get for being so worried about the underdogs.

Iraq was in retrospect a mistake.  Afghanistan, I don't know how long we keep this up.

The only good thing is perhaps the right can use this against the Dems 2016 pres candidate - hillary clinton.

Of course there are already trial balloons suggesting it ain't her Sec of State failures as much as Bamster's policies.   She is just doing his bidding and of course she has "privately" had great bouts of disagreements but she has just been the good soldier.

Oh she has had so many disgreements with the chosen "ONE".  If only she was in charge and not subject to carrying out his policies.

The Middle East would be a peaceful lake without a ripple......

So goes the spin from the Clintonites who are just drooling to get her in position for '16.  There is no way she won't run.
3786  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Obama Phenomena on: August 15, 2012, 01:09:19 PM
"Barack Obama the man is more of a mystery to Americans than any president in modern history"

Yes.  It is astounding how the MSM refuse to investigate this guy.

Yet, we already have more digging and publicizing about Ryan in the last few days than we ever had about the brockster.

If not for Fox, and talk radio no one would ever know anything about the present presidents close ties to  marxists, socialists, communists, black racists, anti semites.

Amazing.

Yet the same crowd that likes to place all these revelations into the right wing, crazy conspiracy camp has no problem making the argument that going through Romney's and Ryan's tax records, and every singel detail about everything they ever did or said is relevant and germane.

The hypocracy the double standard is breathtaking to behold.

If the right had the same overt and covert support from the media the election would be a no contest.

I susupect it will wind up being a no contest despite their efforts to buttress their guys.
3787  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: August 14, 2012, 02:34:05 PM
Yes, Doug.  I recall our discussions on this issue.  I was wrong.   There is no compromise with liberals.  There is no end to their demands.  We have gigantic government now.  ****Endless**** entitlements programs, government programs, government organizations.   Yet their prescription is to tax and spend and expand this even more!

We cannot compromise.  We already have.  There simply is no compromise.  Stop it now or we are done.

In medicine every single thing I do is or will be scrutinized at *industrial* assembly line quality control levels.  Every single thing I say, I write, I do, every decision, every move, everything I don't do will collected sent stored and analyzed by people who will credit, discredit, reward, punish, pay for, refuse to pay for, make public, correct, make me redo, question, critique, "approve", not "approve", warn, and more.
 
If not enough, one false move, one mistake, I can be sued for years.

I am used to this in medicine.  It gets sworse not better everyday. But,  

I don't want this for the rest of my life's endeavors.  I don't want my car black boxed. I don't want my electric bill evaluated for the wrong usage, my water bill scrutinized for the amount of flushes, or my grocery bill scrutinized and taxed because obama doesn't approve of my  food choices.  

Despite all this I work several months a year to have it confiscated and doled out to the predominantly Democratic parties pet constituencies who of course vote them right back in office.

The Democrat party comeback is,
 I should pay more taxes, shut the fuck up, because I might be accused of being a biggoted white boy, who had the God damn nerve to have had the ood fortunebrought up in a good (we were confortable but not rich)  and nurturing family.

 
Am I angry, your damn right I am.

I have had enough!
3788  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Political Rants & interesting thought pieces on: August 14, 2012, 02:15:28 PM
Well, we sill see if peaceful elections are the antedote to the dangling of taxpayer monies to bribe ever increasing numbers and groups of voters, expanding their power, to the ong term detriment of this country as we have always known it.


Many are questioning if this is unstoppable peacefully.

We will know in November.

I am optimistic.
 
3789  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: August 14, 2012, 01:48:22 PM
"I think Obama inherited many of the current
problems from Bush"

The reason Bush was such a big spender was precisely because, he, Rove, and the "compassionate conservative" crowd were trying to keep up with the Democrats in appearing kind, "compassionate", for the "po", for the struggling masses if you will.

It was a spending spree to keep up with the tax and spend Democrats who are relentlessly willing without end to find reasons and ways to tax more and spend more essentially buying off more and more voters.  The Bush crowd is clearly fearful that if they don't do something to beat the Crats at their own game the crats will continue to buy off more and more voters as they are successfully doing.

Some years ago I agreed with this supposed compromising strategy.  Now I realize it was all misguided.  We cannot have two parties competing to spend more taxpayer money to pay for more and more entitlements.

The country is going over a cliff.   And the left will never be satisfied till  America is driven down to a status like all the other countries.  Liberals appear hell bent on the concept that America's wealth and those of the white race must be shared throughout the world.  And one central government will control it all.

So Bush was wrong as are all the Bushes.

Romeny choice in Ryan was sound.  We make a stand now or we can kiss the country goodbye.  The stricter conservatives are right in my view.

JDN, afrter reading your posts for years, I don't recall you ever spending any serious time bashing Democrats.  You always find ways to bash Republicans.

Why don't you just say tyou are a Democrt and of course you will vote for Obama.  Just get it over with.  Why try to kid us aftera ll these years.  You certainly want big brother entitlements.  Your posts for years reflect this.
3790  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Romney on: August 11, 2012, 03:20:58 PM
"In essence, Obama's entire campaign to date has been aimed at taking economic doubts and worry -- which Romney has tried to pin on Obama -- and increasing them by portraying the GOP nominee as a predatory capitalist indifferent to middle class suffering. They now believe Ryan gives them a contemporary policy toehold in Washington to take that argument from the distant past (Bain Capital) and make it a cutting issue in Romney and Ryan's present-day campaign."

Every time I think it through it all comes down to whether there are more people who are tired of supporting the entitlement groups then there are in those groups.

Are there more people who are afraid that Republicanns will take away their benefits, medicare, medicaid, welfare, unempolyment, disability,student aids, housing loans, quotas, etc. vs those who are tired of working like dogs paying for the Demcorat party taxes, regulations, control, etc?

To me this is the question.  It all boils down to this.  Ideology, future direction of America, freedom, capatilism, tyranny, are certainly all part of it.  Yet in the end we are all going to vote our pocket books. So are there more of them (dependents) or us?

Just .... as Mark Levin recently said.

*****

I always knew it could happen here but I guess I didn't think it would.  Like we Jews always said about the holocaust, yes it can happen again.  Same for marxism.

Progressives just keep moving *forward* - to one world government, secular with total central control of all of us.
 Every time I hear liberals use that word this IS what is meant.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is either in denial or I guess oblivius, not paying careful attention, or dumb.
3791  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: August 07, 2012, 09:06:57 PM
***"Obama's usual campaign method ... has been to pry into the private records of his opponents. ... One month before the 2004 Democratic primary for the U.S. Senate, Obama was down in the polls, about to lose to Blair Hull, a multimillionaire securities trader. But then the Chicago Tribune leaked the claim that Hull's second ex-wife, Brenda Sexton, had sought an order of protection against him during their 1998 divorce proceedings. ... After having held a substantial lead just a month before the primary, Hull's campaign collapsed with the chatter about his divorce. ... As luck would have it, Obama's opponent in the general election had also been divorced! ... [Jack Ryan] ... made hundreds of millions of dollars as a partner at Goldman Sachs, and then, in his early 40s, left investment banking to teach at an inner city school on the South Side of Chicago. Ryan would have walloped Obama in the Senate race. But at the request of -- again -- the Chicago Tribune, California Judge Robert Schnider unsealed the custody papers in Ryan's divorce five years earlier.... [R]yan dropped out of the race for the horror of (allegedly) propositioning his own wife and then taking 'no' for an answer. ... And that's how Obama became a U.S. senator. ... Obama's team delved into Sarah Palin's marriage and spread rumors of John McCain's alleged affair in 2008 and they smeared Herman Cain in 2011 with hazy sexual harassment allegations all emanating from David Axelrod's pals in Chicago. It's almost like a serial killer's signature.***

Agreed!  That is why it is very likely Alexrod is either the leaker of responsible for another person leaking military security issues from the WH to the NYT.
I never thought I would live to see it but these guys are even sleezier than the Clinton team - and they are sleezy.
3792  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: August 04, 2012, 01:19:58 PM
"At least we all agree that he can't fix it."

Recenlty Rush and Levin have both admitted the obvious.

There are increasing numbers of people here who want someone else to pay for them.

Either one believes in traditional America, with capatilism free, enterprise, limited government, competition, or one doesn't care and they are on the dole.

Ideology is the issue but ideology alone won't win.

Most don't care about ideology.   Most care about their pocketbooks.

So what am I saying?  It is about ideology and yet it isn't.

No, what I am saying it IS absolutely about ideology.  But Mitt is going to have to convince enough voters that the conservative ideology is the best for them, all of us, and America.   He cannot speak in just "jobs",  "unemployment", or "big government", or "statism", or "entitlements".

He has to speak about all of it and tie it all together.   It doesn't appear that calling Obama a socialist is enough.  Unfortunately, there are ever increasing numbers of poeple who basically want socialism.  Free" health care, "free" educatuion (why never "free" legal care?).  The crats are doing everything they can to expand their numbers with bribery using taxpayer money.

As Levin has FINALLY pointed out we can only hope there are  more of us then them.  I couldn't agree more and have felt this way for years and am glad the talking heads are finally saying it.

For they speak to the choir.  The 40% firmly in the Democrat party camp are always going to want taxpaid beneftis -always - that is how they think.

I think the talking heads are now struggling to come up with a Romney theme that will get past the banner phrases and give enough voters the confidence his ideology is best for their pocketbooks.  Just my take.
3793  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: July 21, 2012, 06:51:42 PM
Abe Lincoln:

"and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

Brockster:

"and that people of the government, by the government, for the government, shall not perish from the earth because of the government".

ccp,

"Your no Lincoln!"

 
3794  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / How can Repubs get minority votes? on: July 21, 2012, 06:39:07 PM
Without pandering?  Without trying to outspend Democrats on taxpayer funded benefits (entitlements)?

Crafty,
Fascinating discussion by Dick.   I wondered how in the world the Blacks shifted from republican to democrat.

I was disappointed he doesn't offer any way to bring them back.  Are they lost forever?

How can we get Blacks back to the Repub party?  Without pandering?  Without government (taxpayer) handouts?

One thought I have had and expressed previously is to emphasize in no uncertain terms that the Democrats are giving away all US citizens freedoms - including those of color, latino, and everyone else here legally.  Just now when Blacks have been able to succeed in US society they risk losing their freedoms too.

Herman Cain basically said this when he said "he got off the Democrat Party plantation long ago".

Unfortunately Blacks either do not think they can make it on their own without big daddy government redistributing wealth or perhaps it is more simply  a reparations or get even thing.  I don't know.

I really think Romney failed to address how the Repub party means freedom for all and the Dem party means Blacks will not share in the fredeom because they are voting for a party that is eager to give it away to buy votes.  Look at the long term.  Not just the next government paycheck.

And so how do we court Latinos?  Simply say we are all for pardons of illegals?  Hey guys come on over?   They aren't all going to start voting Republican for some ideology.

They want the government to pay them entitlements same as the rest of the Demcocrats, white , chinese, blacks etc.  Except for Cubans in Florida (not NYC) they didn't all start voting Repub just because of Reagan's pardon.
3795  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Decline, Fall, and Resurrection of America on: July 17, 2012, 05:07:01 PM
there is 14 pages of shale gas writings in the past Economist mag.

the contamination of ground water, earthquakes, use of water, issues seem overblown but that guy at Columbia is probably right that it is not unreasonable for the oil/gas industry to spend a reltively small amount to monitor and study the situation rather than go in full bore (pun intended) and then risk (albiet small) a very big problem when it becomes obvious.

OTOH, I wonder if he wonders they should pick HIM to advise such proposed monitoring with 'appropriate' enumeration.

3796  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: July 17, 2012, 04:59:06 PM
"the sitting Treasury Secretary's tax evasion"

don't forget Charles Rangel.

I agree with
Mark Levin.  Mitt does not need to give the libs any more data they can manipulate to their spin.  Give *no* more tax records.

"Independents" or undecided's won't care. Libs have already made up their minds.

Bill Kristol and Haley Barber and both shcultzes should release their taxes first.
3797  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Political Rants & interesting thought pieces on: July 14, 2012, 01:17:13 PM
"Some conservatives have cheered that part of Justice Roberts's decision that limits Congress's Commerce Clause power. But an unlimited taxing power is equally dangerous to constitutional government."

Absolutely.  Mark Levin is correct in saying Roberts has done grave nearly irreversible damage to our republic.  The democrat party, liberal lawyer, union, minority interest cabal is subverting justice in our system to maintain power for themselves.

Our system is in trouble as long as we have half the population voting money for themselves out of the treasury and doing so with complicit polticians.

Rush Limbaugh has finally come and highlighted as a message to Romney.   It ain't about jobs.   It ain't about the middle class.  Both of these are relevent but are only subtle pretetexts to the real issue.

It is the gigantic entitlement state that keeps expanding while those who pay for it are being squeezed.

This is the "issue" of the age for the US.
That is the issue

3798  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Unions on: June 29, 2012, 10:11:54 AM
Over the decades there have been calls for physicians to unionize but I am not aware if it has happened anywhere.

Naturally it was only physicians who would have been for such a thing.   We are not monolithic.   We are really a hodgepoge of different groups with different situations.

Older vs younger, academic vs nonacademic, group vs individual, specialties vs primary, surgeons vs nonsurgeons, employed vs in private practice etc.  So the concept of doctors unifying was really a mirage anyway.

But now reading the above post and seeing on drudge that one congresswoman hinted that doctors might unionize - all now that this might strengthen the union/democrat party cabal - well - what can I say?

Again Obama calls for us to move "forward".  The use of that word is again a reminder of what this has all been about.
As long as the "New" Democrat party can continue to rob some taxpayer groups and pay other who pay little taxes I don't know if this can be stopped. 

3799  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Issues in the American Creed (Constitutional Law and related matters) on: June 29, 2012, 09:54:04 AM
Apparantly the law can be repealed with only 51 votes in the Senate.   Therefore repeal is not simply a pipe dream.

3800  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / will piece on: June 29, 2012, 09:06:32 AM
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