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3951  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Nearly check mate. on: January 24, 2011, 10:33:04 AM
Obama has just placed a check on the Republican team if you will.  If he is able to keep up the moderation and bipartisan facade then it is check MATE.  Barring of course something unforeseen (to sound like David Gordon when speaking of the markets).

The Republicans are on the defensive already.  They come off as too wimpy they lose.  If they come off as the p0arty of no they probably lose as well.  (remember shutting down government backfired on Newt).  Calling Obama as a socialist who wants to redistribute wealth while obviously true is not going to win swing voters.  Remember 50% pay no Federal income tax so they don't care about this.  Remember most union empolyees are very happy to have the rich pay into their pensions.  That is thus NOT a winning strategy.  The winner gets the swing voters.  The Republicans in my view must go beat the media trails everyday convincing why Obama has been bad for the US.  Unfortunately even that has risks too.  Remember how adept the Clintonites were in neutering the Repubs in the 90's?  Even when the Repubs would come out with good ideas that ring true Clinton would steal the idea and make it his own  - case in point - welfare reform.  He took and was gloriusly given all the credit for it by the MSM.  Even the Blacks were kissing his hand on the issue when indeed we all know it never would have happened without Republicans.  So Obama has checked the Repub party.  He could easily make it check mate.  He is not a genius.  The formula is already proven an written out for him.  All he has to do is follow the script.  There are many progressives around him who will keep him to it.

By Dick Morris And Eileen McGann01.21.2011Share this article
On this, the second anniversary of his inauguration, President Obama is clearly showing a determination to change his image, replacing his hard left dogmatism with a seeming flexibility and openness to the views of the center. Will it work? Will it lead to his re-election? Are we only one-quarter of the way through a two term Obama presidency?

If the Republican Party wimp out and embraces a moderate agenda, trying to meet him in the middle, Obama will succeed and will be with us for six more years. But if the GOP defines itself in stark contrasts and pushes conservative policies, we will beat him. The key is to test Obama’s centrism by confronting him with bold demands to rollback health reform, undo his massive spending, deregulate community banks, enable state bankruptcies, and block pending executive orders to impose carbon taxes, card check unionization, and FCC regulation of talk radio and the Internet.

We have got to make the gentile and lulling waves of Obama’s new-found moderation crash up against the rocks of Republican demands. Then the leftist rib tide that lurks underneath the seemingly calm waters will be exposed and, in the ensuing surf, he will flounder.

Obama’s moderation is only tone deep. Its hallmarks have been the Daily appointment, his Tucson speech, his sham efforts at deregulation, and his forced acceptance of the Bush tax cuts. Now let’s see what he does with health care repeal, spending cuts, and the rest of the Republican agenda.

The Republican Study Committee proposal calling for $2.5 trillion in spending cuts over ten years is a great place to start. The GOP should take the key elements of it and tack them on to the debt limit increase bill and demand that Obama either sign the bill with the cuts or get no rise in the debt limit. As Senator Pat Toomey (R-Pa) suggested in a recent op-ed, the government can function without borrowing more for a few months. And during that time, let all of America debate whether or not to cut the budget. Let Obama be on display – day after day – pleading for more spending and borrowing. What will become of his centrism then?

The Study Committee proposal is especially brilliant in its avoidance of any cuts in Social Security and Medicare. Republicans squandered their momentum from Bush’s re-election in 2005 by pushing Social Security reform and won in 2010 by fighting Medicare cuts. To cut or “reform” either program right now would be a disaster. But when it comes to EPA, the Department of Education, Amtrak, the federal workforce, highway construction, public works, stimulus spending, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and other non-defense discretionary spending – cut away!

The key to winning the election of 2012 is to force Obama to defend his agenda of 2009-2010 by demanding its repeal and rollback. Republicans need to make him spend 2011 and 2012 defending the programs that brought him down in 2010. And we must also enact budget riders blocking his attempts to jam through by executive orders (even as he postures about cutting federal regulation) carbon taxation, FCC regulation of talk radio, and card check unionization. These issues are all winners.

Obama hopes we forget his past liberalism. After all, in 1996, who remembered Hillarycare? Who voted against Clinton because of his 1993 tax hikes? Nobody. So we need to force these issues to the fore again in 2011 and 2012. We must make Obama run on his record of 2009-2010 by demanding its repeal and forcing him to fight again the same battles that cost him the House in 2010. That is the path to victory.****

3952  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / gangsterbamster on: January 24, 2011, 09:49:53 AM
It wouldn't surprise me that he includes some adorable soundbite in his con job speech tomorrow like "the era of big government is over".  That said the writing is on the wall.  But also thw swing voters will adore it tooth and nail:

Right off Drudge this morning. 
What a corrupt administration!

***Three SEIU Locals--Including Chicago Chapter--Waived From Obamacare Requirement
Monday, January 24, 2011
By Fred Lucas
( – Three local chapters of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), whose political action committee spent $27 million supporting Barack Obama in the 2008 presidential election, have received temporary waivers from a provision in the Obamacare law.

The three SEIU chapters include the Local 25 in Obama’s hometown of Chicago.

The waivers allow health insurance plans to limit how much they will spend on a policy holder’s medical coverage for a given year. Under the new health care law, however, such annual limits are phased out by the year 2014. (Under HHS regulations, annual limits can be no less than $750,000 for 2011, no less than $1.25 million in 2012 and no less than $2 million in 2013.)

The SEIU, with more than 2 million members nationally, includes health care workers, janitors, security guards, and state and local government workers.

The three SEIU locals, covering a total of 36,064 enrollees, are covered by the federal waivers, according to the Department of Health and Human Services.

HHS gave a waiver to Local 25 SEIU in Chicago with 31,000 enrollees on Oct. 1, 2010; to Local 1199 SEIU Greater New York Benefit Fund with 4,544 enrollees on Oct. 10, 2010; and to the SEIU Local 1 Cleveland Welfare Fund with 520 enrollees on Nov. 15, 2010.

So far, the Obama administration has issued waivers to 222 entities, including businesses, unions and charitable organizations. Of that total, 45 were labor organizations.

A total of 1,507,418 enrollees are now included in the waivers. More than one-third -- 512,315 – of the enrollees affected were insured by union health plans.

SEIU Local 1199’s health plan put a $50,000 cap on medical expenses for its New Jersey nursing home workers, according to 1199 SEIU spokeswoman Leah Gonzalez. That’s $700,000 under the 2011 limit stipulated by HHS regulations.

In September, HHS announced it would grant waivers to employers to prevent some workers from losing their benefits if the insurer could not meet new health care law’s requirements on annual limits. The waivers are granted by HHS if the department determines “compliance with the interim final regulations would result in a significant decrease in access to benefits or a significant increase in premiums,” according to a Sept. 3 memo by Steve L. Larson, director of the HHS Office of Consumer Information and Insurance Oversight.

Local 1199, SEIU's Greater New York Benefit Fund, requested the waiver specifically with respect to its separate plan for New Jersey members, according to Gonzalez. This waiver primarily affects low-wage New Jersey nursing home workers whose health care plan provides medical, hospital, prescription, dental and vision benefits.

The New Jersey members now have an annual maximum health care benefit of $50,000. Gonzalez said fewer than 1 percent of members have ever reached that cap, and that those members who did received additional help.

“The members’ health benefits are paid for by the employer and are negotiated through collective bargaining,” Gonzalez said in a written statement to “Several years ago, facing limited dollars from the employers for this small group, the members themselves chose how to shape their health plan to get the most out of their coverage.”

Gonzalez added that prescriptions are excluded from the cap. “For example, if a member maxes out from a hospital stay, she/he can continue to get their life-saving medications throughout the year while accessing alternative coverage at low-cost community clinics.”

Neither SEIU Local 25 nor Local 1, nor the national organization responded to’s request for comment.

The SEIU's Committee on Political Education made $27,829,845.91 in independent expenditures on Obama’s presidential campaign in 2008. SEIU-affiliated groups in Illinois have long supported Obama’s campaigns and endorsed him for the Democratic nomination for U.S. Senate in 2004. In 2008, the national union backed Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination.***
3953  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Unions on: January 24, 2011, 09:40:48 AM
"Better yet, perhaps President Obama should take the lead."

Yeah right.

No Democrat will do this.  Federal, State, county or municipal level.

We the tax payers are being held hostage to government employee unions.

"President Obama, either unwilling, or perhaps unable"

What in Obama's history has EVER given the impression he is/was ever willing to do anything about this?  Why can we not call an ace of clubs and ace of clubs?
3954  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / cover-up complete on: January 22, 2011, 11:10:20 AM
Hawaii governor silenced and cover- up is now complete:

***Associated Press Mark Niesse, Associated Press – Sat Jan 22, 4:56 am ET
HONOLULU – A privacy law that shields birth certificates has prompted Democratic Gov. Neil Abercrombie to abandon efforts to dispel claims that President Barack Obama was born outside Hawaii, his office says.

State Attorney General David Louie told the governor that privacy laws bar him from disclosing an individual's birth documentation without the person's consent, Abercrombie spokeswoman Donalyn Dela Cruz said Friday.

"There is nothing more that Gov. Abercrombie can do within the law to produce a document," said Dela Cruz. "Unfortunately, there are conspirators who will continue to question the citizenship of our president."

Abercrombie, who was a friend of Obama's parents and knew him as a child, launched an investigation last month into whether he can release more information about the president's Aug. 4, 1961 birth. The governor said at the time he was bothered by people who questioned Obama's birthplace for political reasons.

But Abercrombie's attempt reached a dead end when Louie told him the law restricted his options.

Hawaii's privacy laws have long barred the release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who doesn't have a tangible interest.

So-called "birthers" claim Obama is ineligible to be president because they say there's no proof he was born in the United States, with many of the skeptics questioning whether he was actually born in Kenya, his father's home country.

Hawaii's health director said in 2008 and 2009 that she had seen and verified Obama's original vital records, and birth notices in two Honolulu newspapers were published within days of Obama's birth at Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu.

Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo again confirmed Friday that Obama's name is found in its alphabetical list of names of people born in Hawaii, maintained in bound copies available for public view.

That information, called index data, shows a listing for "Obama II, Barack Hussein, Male," according to the department's website.

"The index is just to say who has their records within the department. That's an indication," Okubo said. "I can't talk about anyone's records."

The Obama campaign issued a certificate of live birth in 2008, an official document from the state showing the president's birth date, city and name, along with his parents' names and races.***

3955  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: January 21, 2011, 02:06:41 PM

Excellent post.

What is your take on "dreams *from* my father"?

I haven't read this book or D'Suza's book, "The Roots of Obama's Rage" but it is certainly curious Obama seems to take up the philosophy of his father who he may have never known and appears to have not cared one iota for the boy other than just sleeping with the white woman.

Yet Obamas grandparents who appear to have been good to him he throws under the bus as just a bunch of white people.

3956  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Unions/orgainzed crime on: January 21, 2011, 12:07:44 PM
Unions dominated by organized crime. I've had longershoreman patients who tell me about this.  I suggested to one black patient who has arthritis to go for some sort of supervisory position.  His response, Blacks don't get those.  It is who you know.  What is becoming evident is many of the union employees are now getting looted by the union bosses.  I know of one union where the members are actually suing the union for money that disappeared out of their pension funds.
There is a definite tie with organized crime and the music business.  It ain't just the Italian mafia.  apparently there is a Irish one, posssibly a Jewish one and th eBlacks have their own gangs.  Why cannot anyone get into these crooks can only be explained that it is not a poltical issue or the wealth from the entertainment business is too easy to spread around - I don't know.

In any case I am sure most Americans would be astonished at how organized crime permeates our culture, our society, all the way up to the highest levels of government.
I know that I am surprised by how easy it is to bribe almost ANYONE.  I f I don't see it with my own eyes I am not sure I would believe.  Few fully grasp it even when I explain it.
3957  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: US-China on: January 21, 2011, 10:16:17 AM
Correct. It isn't the education in general it is what type of education.

Here in NJ we have *enormous* numbers of Asians and Middle Easterners pouring in getting IT jobs, MDs, opening businesses (patel-hotel-motel), working in or owning franchises in banks, 7 -11s, dunkin donuts, gas stations and on and on and on.  Yet I have countless American borns coming in complaining of their stress and how it is not worth looking for a job that doesn't pay them what they want when they can easily get the same or so in unemployment checks.

The other day they were interviewing some sort of College football player who was some sort of big shot player and all.  He was speaking and couldn't even speak decent English.  I am thinking what a joke.  This guy gets a college degree and can't speak decent English.  I could never imagine anyone other than a jock getting all the way through a four year college without being able to put a decent grammatically correct sentence together.

The left perpetuates the nanny state and it only gets worse, spreads like a metastatic cancer.  Chinese and Indians will run us over. The Mexicans they are a different breed.   Education does not seem to be a factor for them like the others I noted.  It appears to be cultural.

3958  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Will not post on link on: January 21, 2011, 09:46:42 AM
I tried to move the post over as you requested but I cannot seem to do it.
In addition I tried to find the topic under heading you have but cannot find that either.
3959  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Lance Armstrong and Sports Illustrated on: January 21, 2011, 09:43:29 AM
"Like so many other athletes before; is Lance Armstrong lying?"

Answer is, of course he is.  When I witness first hand how an ENTIRE industry can be corrupt (music) than it comes no surprise to me the same would go for sports athletes.  As always it is all about the money and for these people many of whom are self indulgent narcissists also the fame.  They have no problem cheating, lying stealing.  Whatever it takes.  Like his ex girlfriend Sheryl Crow who claims writing songs stolen from Katherine (no she doesn't do the stealing - she just buys them from the people who do) I am totally convince this guy is a liar.   That said now what?  The answer.  Nothing.  Just like the music industry which will go on as it always has.

***Lance Armstrong Retorts Angrily At New Doping Allegations

Lance Armstrong - Tour de France champion Lance Armstrong was in no mood to answer questions on new doping allegations.
According to Bleacher Report, Sports Illustrated came out with new doping allegations against seven-time Tour de France winner Lance Armstrong.
The following day, Lance Armstrong was bombarded by reporters.
Reportedly, Armstrong first said, "I have nothing to say."
Pressed, he repeated, "Like I said, I have nothing to say. I perused it...there's nothing there."
When questioned again, Armstrong retaliated:
"Dude, are you that stupid? What part of 'I'm not commenting' is not clear to you?"

Like so many other athletes before; is Lance Armstrong lying?***

3960  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Lance Armstrong /sports Illustrated on: January 21, 2011, 09:42:36 AM
"Like so many other athletes before; is Lance Armstrong lying?"

Answer is, of course he is.  When I witness first hand how an ENTIRE industry can be corrupt (music) than it comes no surprise to me the same would go for sports athletes.  As always it is all about the money and for these people many of whom are self indulgent narcissists also the fame.  They have no problem cheating, lying stealing.  Whatever it takes.  Like his ex girlfriend Sheryl Crow who claims writing songs stolen from Katherine (no she doesn't do the stealing - she just buys them from the people who do) I am totally convince this guy is a liar.   That said now what?  The answer.  Nothing.  Just like the music industry which will go on as it always has.

***Lance Armstrong Retorts Angrily At New Doping Allegations

Lance Armstrong - Tour de France champion Lance Armstrong was in no mood to answer questions on new doping allegations.
According to Bleacher Report, Sports Illustrated came out with new doping allegations against seven-time Tour de France winner Lance Armstrong.
The following day, Lance Armstrong was bombarded by reporters.
Reportedly, Armstrong first said, "I have nothing to say."
Pressed, he repeated, "Like I said, I have nothing to say. I perused it...there's nothing there."
When questioned again, Armstrong retaliated:
"Dude, are you that stupid? What part of 'I'm not commenting' is not clear to you?"

Like so many other athletes before; is Lance Armstrong lying?***

3961  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: January 21, 2011, 09:40:30 AM
"Challenge Obama on his record and his governing agenda"


There is another issue about 2 state empolyees stating they verify a document that later cannot be found.

Sounds like the US Copyright Office.

It should bother when government officials entrusted with keeping documents secure are/may be lying.

I know for a fact that a person(s) at the Copyright Office tmapers with documents in coordination with people taking things out of our house.

Since it only affects us no one else can give a shit.

But in the case of Obama the whole country should be giving a shit.
3962  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Politics of Health Care on: January 20, 2011, 03:07:40 PM
Personally the HC bill is secondary.  Actually as a primary care provider some actually think I should be grateful for the Democrat bill as it attempts to boost primary care.
But I am totally against it.  I am totally against the entire liberal agenda which this is just a part.  I agree with Morris.  Now the Republicans and teaparties have to fight even harder.  The bamster charm offensive is in full gear.  Unfortunately Clinton showed him the way and it works.  Already Bamster is doing better in the polls. Not a good sign.  I just wish conservatives would just stop telling how smart Obama is.  He is just reading scripts.  He is nothing more then the front guy for what is really going on.

By Dick Morris01.19.2011Share this article
Published on on January 18, 2011

Now for the counteroffensive. The House Republicans are pushing to repeal ObamaCare. While they will doubtless succeed in the House and either fail in the Senate or face an Obama veto, their decision to raise and debate the issue is a crucial one. As happened when it passed last year, ObamaCare will ignite a national controversy.

But are conservatives prepared to win the debate? When ObamaCare was being pushed through Congress by the likes of Pelosi, Reid, Obama and Emanuel, the right was galvanized. Rallies, demonstrations, town-hall forums, television ads, letters to the editor, television commentary — all bombarded the nation, emphasizing the faults of the bill. But now these voices are stilled, complacent, perhaps exhausted. Or are they intimidated by the liberal spin on the Gabrielle Giffords shooting that we all must lower our voices?

Already, liberal groups and unions are running ads calling on House Republicans not to repeal ObamaCare. One such spot, paid for by Americans United for Change, says:

“Members of Congress know that their health insurance plan can’t deny coverage for their kids. Congressmen can rest assured that their insurance plan won’t drop their families if they get sick. The Affordable Care Act gave your family the same protections that members of Congress get. But Republicans want to take that protection away from your family. They want to put insurance companies back in charge. Call Congress. Tell them you deserve the same health insurance protection they get. Tell them: Don’t repeal the Affordable Care Act. You deserve the same health insurance protections as Congress.”

Where is the conservative reply? Where are the conservative voices? Could the opportunity to repeal ObamaCare give the left a chance to make its case without an answer?

Voters still oppose ObamaCare. The Rasmussen Poll has them backing repeal by 55-40. But if opponents of the program remain complacent, those numbers could change quickly.

Republicans need to remind America that the huge increases they are now paying in their health insurance are concrete evidence of the impact of the mandates in ObamaCare. They need to point out that the $500 billion of Medicare cuts are coming and that, already, reductions in physician fees are driving thousands of doctors to close their doors to Medicare patients. The Republicans need to explain how ObamaCare creates an entirely new entitlement and will swell the deficit.

Voters don’t buy the argument that ObamaCare will cut the deficit. According to Rasmussen, 45 percent say that repealing the program is more likely to cut the deficit, while 33 percent say leaving it on the books will be a better way to reduce it. Republicans need to underscore this linkage.

The larger point is that the new Republican House gives conservatives a chance to re-litigate the battles they lost in Congress in 2009 and 2010. At each turn, they need to re-fight the battle for public opinion and carry it each time. A president usually sets the agenda. But conservatives can keep the focus on the unpopular spending and legislation Obama jammed through a Democratic Congress by pushing for de-funding and repeal.

Republicans won’t get repeal. But they will be able to de-fund the program. They can block the IRS from enforcing the individual and employer mandates and can stop the Department of Health and Human Services from slicing $500 billion from Medicare and implementing healthcare rationing. But it will be a long fight. Republicans will have to demand these concessions as a prerequisite for approving the budget and perhaps even a debt-limit increase. They will need to stand their ground in the face of the hue and cry that they are being irresponsible and holding the nation hostage.

And they’ll need public opinion on their side!

They will need the Tea Party to get loud and conservative groups to start advertising. It’s the second round. A round the opponents of ObamaCare can win. But they mustn’t go to sleep. They need to wake up!***
3963  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Hawii verified his original certificate on: January 20, 2011, 02:00:54 PM
Oh really? So Fukino and Onaka have personally have claimed to have visually verified Bamster's birth certificate.  Sounds like a coverup to me.

Remember this:   

****Obama's Birth Certificate Verified By State
Health Department Receives Multiple Requests For Copies
POSTED: 12:12 pm HST October 31, 2008
UPDATED: 1:26 pm HST November 1, 2008
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HONOLULU -- The state's Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate.

The state has received multiple requests for a copy of Obama's birth certificate. State law does not allow officials to release the birth certificate of a person to someone outside of the family.

There were rumors that Obama was born in Kenya, where his father is from. The Constitution requires that the president be a natural born citizen of the U.S.

While many sites and news organizations have released copies provided by the Obama campaign, the rumors have persisted.

"There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record," DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.

Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino said.

Fukino said that no state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently from any other.

Some Obama critics claim he was not born in the United States.

Multiple lawsuits were filed to try and force Obama to provide proof of citizenship. Earlier Friday, a southwest Ohio magistrate rejected a challenge to Obama's U.S. citizenship. Judges in Seattle and Philadelphia recently dismissed similar suits.
Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press contributed to this report. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.****
3964  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: January 19, 2011, 11:56:00 AM
"But I also have pointed out that Obama's strategy of concealing the records and dismissing the "Birthers" as cranks is not working in the longer term."

Well this is the point of my original post above.  Obama is *not playing any strategy in 'not' producing* the best evidence.  He is not producing best evidence because he can't.  For whatever reason his birth certificate is no where to be found.  Therefore he takes the next strategy which is as it always is with him (like past associations with radicals) is to cover up, deny, attack those who question this as crazy, misguided, politcally motivated, racist, and the rest.

As for W's military guard duty I will have to admit the evidence I have read is that he certainly did have a Senator's son's *no show* ghost-like service.
I don't recall seeing any credible evidence he ever showed up like everyone else was supposed to do.  Certainly sounds like someone doing a favor for a powerful father.

It reminds me of another Senator's son's service during Vietnam - Algore.  He ran around the rear lines as some sort of "reporter"?  That said, he was there at all deserves him credit.
3965  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: January 19, 2011, 11:19:48 AM
But there was something about McCain's being born on a military base that was figured to be the inclusionary argument I think.
3966  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: January 19, 2011, 10:58:34 AM

Well I don't know what he presented for his passport.  It doesn't appear it was any kind of copy of a long birth certificate.  Here in NJ one can get certified copies if one loses the original.

His mother was a citizen so isn't that alone mean he is automatically a citizen?
Again the issue is not citizenship.  It is constittutional eligibility for being President.
3967  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / entertainment on: January 19, 2011, 10:53:31 AM
Piers Morgan.  I couldn't find a thread to place this under.  Katherine and I watched Piers on cable interviewing Oprah and on this other show he does following rich and famous locales.  We both thought he is excellent.  Frankly much better than Larry King who perhaps was burned out.

He almost got Oprah to cry when he mentioned the program would be aired on MLK day.  She was clearly teary eyed.  Apparantly every interviewer has been trying unsuccesfully to get her tearful in an interview.
3968  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / "Birthers" may be right all along on: January 19, 2011, 10:38:23 AM
Wow.  Let's see the MSM deal with this now.  Remember Crafty you asked why on this board why doesn't Bamster simply produce his birth certificate and put to rest the questions of his birth place.  Now we have the answer.  His "long" version of his birth certificate cannot be found.  Just a written in notation. 

So what was the evidence he was born here.  Some newspaper articles?  Whether he was born here or not matters not with regards to citizenship since his mother was a citizen.  But it certainly does matter with regards to his eligibility for President.  I do not underestimate the possibility there is some sort of coverup.

Just stating that because the Hill couldn't find anything therefore nothing exists does not explain this.


Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate
Suggests controversy could hurt president's re-election chances

Posted: January 18, 2011
8:05 pm Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2011 WorldNetDaily

Neil Abercrombie
Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie suggested in an interview published today that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.

Abercrombie told the Honolulu Star Advertiser he was searching within the Hawaii Department of Health to find definitive vital records that would prove Obama was born in Hawaii, because the continuing eligibility controversy could hurt the president's chances of re-election in 2012.

Donalyn Dela Cruz, Abercrombie's spokeswoman in Honolulu, ignored again today another in a series of repeated requests made by WND for an interview with the governor.

Toward the end of the interview, the newspaper asked Abercrombie: "You stirred up quite a controversy with your comments regarding birthers and your plan to release more information regarding President Barack Obama's birth certificate. How is that coming?"

In his response, Abercrombie acknowledged the birth certificate issue will have "political implications" for the next presidential election "that we simply cannot have."

Get the free, in-depth special report on eligibility that could bring an end to Obama's presidency

Suggesting he was still intent on producing more birth records on Obama from the Hawaii Department of Health vital records vault, Abercrombie told the newspaper there was a recording of the Obama birth in the state archives that he wants to make public.

(Story continues below)


Abercrombie did not report to the newspaper that he or the Hawaii Department of Health had found Obama's long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate. The governor only suggested his investigations to date had identified an unspecified listing or notation of Obama's birth that someone had made in the state archives.

"It was actually written, I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down," Abercrombie said.

For seemingly the first time, Abercrombie frankly acknowledged that presidential politics motivated his search for Obama birth records, implying that failure to resolve the questions that remain unanswered about the president's birth and early life may damage his chance for re-election.

"If there is a political agenda (regarding Obama's birth certificate), then there is nothing I can do about that, nor can the president," he said.

So far, the only birth document available on Obama is a Hawaii Certification of Live Birth that first appeared on the Internet during the 2008 presidential campaign. It was posted by two purportedly independent websites that have displayed a strong partisan bias for Obama – released the COLB in June 2008, and published photographs of the document in August 2008.

WND previously reported the Hawaii Department of Health has refused to authenticate the COLB posted on the Internet by and

WND has reported that in 1961, Obama's grandparents, Stanley and Madelyn Dunham, could have made an in-person report of a Hawaii birth even if the infant Barack Obama Jr. had been foreign-born.

Similarly, the newspaper announcements of Obama's birth do not prove he was born in Hawaii, since they could have been triggered by the grandparents registering the birth as Hawaiian, even if the baby was born elsewhere.

Moreover, WND has documented that the address reported in the newspaper birth announcements was the home of the grandparents.

WND also has reported that Barack Obama Sr. maintained his own separate apartment in Honolulu, even after he was supposedly married to Ann Dunham, Barack Obama's mother, and that Dunham left Hawaii within three weeks of the baby's birth to attend the University of Washington in Seattle.

Dunham did not return to Hawaii until after Barack Obama Sr. left Hawaii in June 1962 to attend graduate school at Harvard University in Cambridge, Mass.

Conceivably, the yet undisclosed birth record in the state archives that Abercrombie has discovered may have come from the grandparents registering Obama's birth, an event that would have triggered both the newspaper birth announcements and availability of a Certification of Live Birth, even if no long-form birth certificate existed.

WND has also reported that Tim Adams, a former senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu in 2008, has maintained that there is no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate on file with the Hawaii Department of Health and that neither Honolulu hospital – Queens Medical Center or Kapiolani Medical Center – has any record that Obama was born there.

3969  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / correction on: January 18, 2011, 01:42:19 PM
"he should get away with this"

he should *not* get away with this

3970  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: January 18, 2011, 01:25:51 PM

This is absolutely infuriating to me.  Clinton did this in the 90's as we all know and got away with it.  He would stand there with a straight face and say things as though that were the case all along - and he got away with it.  His polls went right up.  The fact he was a gigantic liberal for two years prior made no difference though I do have to say he never did get over 50% of the vote.  If the cans had a stronger candidate than Dole the outcome could have been different I suppose.

Yet here is Bamster trying to pull off the same scam.  So many said he is too much of an ideologue to do this.  Yet the Democrat team behind him are gettinghim to do it.
The jornolist media will drool over this con,  support him in every way possible - not call him on any of it.  And let him get away with it tooth and nail.

NO I am not happy this guy is supposedly compromising, he is supposidly learining, he is supposidly reaching out to the other side for the benefit of governance and doing the work of the "people".  He is full of shit, he is a liar, he is scamming us, and he should get away with this.  If team Republilcans cannot come up with a media strategy that calls this guy out, that does not let the left play the sob story game, that stands for America and explain to AMerica why they are right and this guy wrong than I will just drop out of the political process altogether. 
3971  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Suddenly the friend of business on: January 18, 2011, 10:42:28 AM
Like the con of Clinton I am beside myself watching the triangulation strategy unfold again.  How the public could let the most radical leftist President we have ever had get away with this I don't know.  But his friends in the media are already talking of a "learning curve", and his "growing into the job", and "maturing".  Now that he can't ram it all down our throats he is suddenly this.  And the swing voters will eat it all up and his poll numbers will go us and likely the Republicans who have no equivalent mouthpiece will not be albe to get past this and indeed are already showing signs they will cave in with compromise.  All the while the msm push for friendly debate on the issues and deligetimize any angry vocal opposition.  If Republicans cannot learn from history we are doomed.  I will try not keep posting about this. 

***Obama orders review of government regulations
            WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama on Tuesday ordered a government-wide review of regulations with the goal of eliminating those that hurt job creation and make the economy less competitive.

Obama took action after unveiling his plan in an op-ed piece in the Wall Street Journal in which he said some rules have placed "unreasonable burdens on business -- burdens that have stifled innovation and have had a chilling effect on growth and jobs."

The executive order marked Obama's latest move to repair relations with U.S. business, which were frayed amid bitter debate over his overhauls of Wall Street regulations and healthcare that some business leaders said would stymie corporate America.

[ For complete coverage of politics and policy, go to Yahoo! Politics ]

Obama has struck a more business-friendly tone since his Democrats lost the U.S. House of Representatives and saw their Senate majority reduced in November congressional elections widely seen as a verdict on his handling of the stumbling economy and persistently high unemployment.

It was not immediately clear, however, how far-reaching Obama's new regulatory strategy would be in changing the way the federal government operates.

Despite Obama's promise, the administration's legislative victories are producing dozens of new regulations, on everything from credit card fees to health insurance premium increases, to the annoyance of the business community.

Obama said he would require that in the future, government agencies "ensure that regulations protect our safety, health and environment while promoting economic growth."

He also issued a memorandum to all executive agencies calling for "more transparency and accountability in regulatory compliance" and a second one on the need to "reduce burdens on small businesses whenever possible," the White House said.

Business leaders say government regulations, including those being written for the healthcare and financial reform, have hurt job creation at a time of nearly double-digit unemployment.

"It's a review that will help bring order to regulations that have become a patchwork of overlapping rules, the result of tinkering by administrations and legislators of both parties and the influence of special interests in Washington over decades," Obama wrote.

The president, noting that small businesses create most new jobs in the economy, also said he would direct the government to make a greater effort to reduce the burden regulations place on them.

While vowing to eliminate rules that are "not worth the cost, or that are just plain dumb," the president said his administration would not shy away from writing new rules to address "obvious gaps" in government oversight.

(Writing by Eric Beech and Matt Spetalnick; editing by Mohammad Zargham)***

3972  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Politics of Health Care on: January 18, 2011, 09:44:11 AM
The Dem strategy among the entire political party and the complicit journolist MSM is now clear. 
They will *fix* the non popular portions of Healthcare (thus appearing to be compromisers while at the same time they will mitigate any unpopularity of their party).

Also, the Dems are already playing the sympathy card (scrapping this bill will hurt so many people, 127 million poeple benefit from this yada yada yada) and the cans are essentially silent.  Cans also have to meet head on the already multiple airway claims about why this bill will not help as many people as it will *hurt*.

The Republicans are already being outdone.  They should be hitting airwaves incessantly as to why the whole bill has to be scrapped and started over and the Dems cannot pick and choose and make every single line of the 2000 page morrass into some sort of separate topic for "vigorous debate".

I think we've lost.  I am not confident about our "leadership".  Boehner looks like an idiot crying all the time.  The first time was touching.  The last several times are bizarre - like said, the "weeper of the House".
3973  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / NYT journolist schpeel on: January 17, 2011, 10:50:46 AM
The NYT piece is the beginning of the jornolist/dem politician onslaught response to Repubs efforts at HC repeal.
I heard Bamster has said he would be willing to alter the HC bill.  Again showing he is the great compromiser, the conciliator of our age. rolleyes
Now he doesn't have free reign to ram it all down our throats so he is suddenly such a marvelous compromiser. rolleyes
If I can see this coming a mile away so must our Republican leaders.

Unfortunately, we are also seeing signs they plan on dealing with it by also compromising.  They may be afraid to risk being labeled the party of no and shutting down government which does not go well with the swingers based on history from the 90's.

Thus I think efforts to repeal/block HC will fold as the Republicans will try to meet or one up the Bamster with looking like they are working with the other side IMO.

A new MSM buzz word is "governing".  The republicans can either fall into this trap or risk being tarnished as "shutting down" government.
The two parties *MUST* compromise to do the business of "governing" (Not my opnion but  MSM).  Obviously the MSM idea of governing is ramming endless thousand page bills down the throats of taxpayers.
3974  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / all politics on: January 15, 2011, 12:55:17 PM
If most people who come to this country illegally and their children were potential Republicans and not Democrats we would see the entire military on the border.

3975  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Parenting Issues on: January 15, 2011, 11:32:32 AM
"What Chinese parents understand is that nothing is fun until you're good at it. To get good at anything you have to work, and children on their own never want to work, which is why it is crucial to override their preferences."

What a great point of view.

Throughout my life I hear people tell me while I am learning something how "easy" it is.

Well sure, it is easy once you understand it or are good at doing it.  Getting to that point is hard work.

Like using email is "easy".   No its not when you are first learing it.  Yes it is once you know how to do it.

""stressing academic success is not good for children"

You won't find any Jewish parents telling their children this.

Many of my middle aged unemployed pts who cannot find jobs.  What can I say if they didn't finish high school let alone don't have a college degree.

3976  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: The Emasculation of Men In Contempory Society on: January 15, 2011, 10:10:07 AM
This story also speaks to the failure of the legal system to protect someone like her who is being stalked.
Yeah she could get a restraining order but that is not going to stop a determined guy like this.

You won't hear Spitzer telling this story while he rants about gun control.
3977  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / The most likely candidate for the "falling man" on: January 14, 2011, 04:41:42 PM
No one will ever forget that picture.  I just google around to find out who he was.  Apparantly most suspect it was this man.  His family reportedly cannot look at the picture.  I find it tear jerking and I didn't even know him:
3978  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Politics on: January 14, 2011, 04:16:26 PM
Doug and GM,
Reading your posts is reassuring.  cool I hope you are right.
3979  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Politics on: January 14, 2011, 03:38:39 PM

If that is what it will take to be rid of this guy then it is for our own long term collective good as a nation that the next two years see all of that on your list.

It is *that crucial* we get rid of this guy IMO.

The leader of the free world cannot be a con artist.
3980  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Politics on: January 14, 2011, 02:48:52 PM
"Right now no one knows how far he will go with his head fakes, but his point in keeping power and popularity is to further implement what we call leftism, not to move to the middle"


The phoney one ain't fooling me or you or anyone else on this board except maybe JDN ( grin), but it is the swing voters who I worry will fall for the coordinate effort between Bamster's new people (Daley - a banker no less) and the jornolists in the media who will try and make  them beleive he is a centrist, he is a moderate and anything else is a myth made up by the looney right.

There were a lot of people cheering for him the other night.  They can't all be Democrat teachers who make up most of the Dem conventions.  Did you notice the lower lip being pushed up frequently?  Clinton did that all the time to con us into thinking he really was feeling pain in his gut.  There are obviously enough voters who are that stupid.
3981  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Dems and the journOlist strategy on: January 14, 2011, 12:29:30 PM
Watch for the jornOlist talking points to include this Dem response to the REp efforts to repeal Health Care.

The Dems and their media minions will be all out claiming the Repubs are trying to take patients "rights" away:

***Greg Sargent writes in the Washington Post  (1/14) The Plum Line, "At a House Dem leadership meeting last week, Dem leaders decided that" The Patient's Rights Repeal Act "is the phrase they will officially use to brand the House GOP's push to repeal health reform, aides tell me." Sergeant adds, "With House Republicans set to press forward with repeal next week, the idea behind the Dem talking point is to emphasize what repeal would take away from you -- and to position the plight of the patient in the center of this battle." Meanwhile, "Dems are gearing up for a major campaign against repeal, in hopes that it will give them another crack at selling the American public on the law by highlighting its most popular provisions and arguing that repeal would do away with them."
3982  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Politics on: January 14, 2011, 10:40:43 AM
I caught Karl Rove being interviewed this am on Fox being asked (by that fox - what is her pretty name again?) about Bamster's being advised and obviously going to the middle.
I think Rove is in denial about it.  He said it is still a question as to whether the Bamster's heart is in it or not.
The answer is of course it isn't.  But his advisors are obviously winning the argument.  Evidence in support of this conclusion include the triangualtion speech at the memorial ceremony, the "centrist" (Rove's own description for) Daley for WH chief of staff, the deal with Republicans over the taxes etc.

This is exactly what I feared.  Bamster will pretend he is a moderate, pretend he loves American ("be all we can be"), pretend he is standing for us. The "swingers" who always decide elections in the national races will forget or not care what he did to us the first two years and will fawn all over him as though he was like this all along.  Clinton proved that is what happens.  It is a joke that swingers who cannot make up their minds what they want are the ones who decide our futures but that is the case.

Time will tell for sure but I guess Krauthammer is right that Bamster having just made it *more likely he will win* re election in 12 than not.  Though I completely disagree with him that it is because he is so smart.  He is just the front man reading the scripts.  It is the advisors around him, particularly the Clintinites who have been so adept at this.  And the MSM loves it.

Why the ONE walked into the room and she opened her eyes for the first time - give me a break.
3983  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Politics on: January 13, 2011, 06:04:38 PM

I sure hope you are right.
I made the mistake of turning on MSNBC last night and I heard someone mention that Presidents giving memorial speeches goes back to Gettysburg!  Only could MSLSD compare a couple of people killed by a crazy man to Gettysburg.   And yeah right Bamster's reading of a script, for what, a half hour is the same as Lincoln's hand and self  written few minute speech done to honor war dead, and explain the reason for a war is even remotely comparable.

The service became a political rally when Obama came in.
3984  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Politics on: January 13, 2011, 02:01:49 PM
"BTW, I think President Obama gave a fine speech at the memorial last night"

Did you notice he repeatedly did the lower lip thing like Clinton?  I never saw Obama do that before.  It was staged to portray emotion.

He tried to be more postive about America like Reagan yet show emotion like Clinton.

I suspect this means he is going to do the triangulation thing like Clinton and pretend he is more like one of us (in order to change us).

This worked quite well for Clinton whose approval ratings rose overnight and never went back down.

If I am right and Obama does this he too will win over the swingers and his numbers will likewise rise well above 50%.

Therefore unless the Republicans can come up with a winner who doesn't look like a dead fish and do promotional Brittany Spears and Viagra commercials like the respectable but very uncharismatic guy in '96 - we are looking at 4 more years of the Bama.
3985  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Politics on: January 11, 2011, 09:59:11 AM
GM, I agree.  What amazes me is how the MSM makes it sound like the anger on the right is all being driven and stoked by talk radio and Fox, etc.
Quite the contrary.  I don't think many who listen to these shows are really that influenced.  I think most of the listeners are *already* the choir.  They are listening because they already have come to the same conclusions and we all tend to seek those who validate our views.

For example,  I have come to the conclusion that Bamster does not inherently like whites, Jews, or America.  I did not come to this conclusion after listening to talk radio.  I listen to talk radio because they have concluded the same and I listen to vent.  The left strategy is to belittle and deligitamize this frustration every way possible.  They decrie that it is "fringe", "hate", "bigots", "crazy" (birthers  angry), or misguided (Obama is really a moderate angry).

Even Joe Scarborough was essentially blaming Fox talk radio, Palin, Beck this AM.
I used to like that guy.  I don't know what has happened to him in his apparent quest to be seen as a moderate and fit in over there at MSNBC.
He must be having an affair with that broad.  What's her name?  The one who is the daughter of the ugliest national security advisor (to Carter- no less) we ever had in government.

I guess the only question remains is how is Bamster going to play this.  Probably his script is already written for him ala Clintonesque, "I feel your pain" and he will show "leadership" and avoid politics (let others do that) and triangulate.  The MSM will be adoring, drool and go orgasmic again, with quotes like, "this is what he ran on".

I guess I should be glad to have the President do that but frankly I am not because I know this guy is a radical dressed in sheeps clothing.

After being conned for years with Katherine's music by everyone and anyone I know a con (usually) when I see one.

Now that he doesn't have huge majorities in both houses to ram through his agenda he has ultimately been pulled kicking and mumbling towards the center by those around him who are desperately trying to keep him popular and relevant for 2012.

It is no accident the MSM made it a policy to show us how he read a biography on Reagan over his break in Hawaii.  No matter how hard they try this guy is no Reagan.
Yet the swing voters as I have pointed out are easy fodder for manipulation and persuasion and they will fall for all this as they always do.  You can fool some of the people all of the time.
3986  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / tu quo quo on: January 10, 2011, 03:38:03 PM
From Michelle Malkin's piece and explanation of "tu quo quo":

Tu quoque
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This article is about the logical fallacy. For the historical quotation "Tu quoque, Brute, fili mi", see Et tu, Brute?. For the play by John Cooke, see Greene's Tu Quoque.
A case of Tu quoque: "By Jove, what extraordinary headgear you women do wear!"—ironic reference in PunchTu quoque (pronounced /tuːˈkwoʊkweː/ [1]), or the appeal to hypocrisy, is a kind of logical fallacy. It is a Latin term for "you, too" or "you, also". A tu quoque argument attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting his failure to act consistently in accordance with that position; it attempts to show that a criticism or objection applies equally to the person making it. This dismisses someone's viewpoint on an issue on the argument that the person is inconsistent in that very thing.[2] It is considered an ad hominem argument, since it focuses on the party itself, rather than its positions.[3]

Contents [hide]
1 Illegitimate use
1.1 You-too version
1.1.1 Legal aspects
1.2 Inconsistency version
2 See also
3 References

[edit] Illegitimate use
In many cases tu quoque arguments are used in a logically fallacious way, to draw a conclusion which is not supported by the premises of the argument.

[edit] You-too version
This form of the argument is as follows:

A makes criticism P.
A is also guilty of P.
Therefore, P is dismissed.

 :"He cannot accuse me of libel because he was just successfully sued for libel."
Person 1: It should be illegal to make clothing out of animals.
Person 2: But, you are wearing a leather jacket.
Person 1: Never smoke cigarettes. It is a terrible addiction.
Person 2: I just saw you smoking a few minutes ago.
[edit] Legal aspects
In common law, a legal maxim exists stating a person cannot approach the courts of equity with unclean hands. If there is a nexus between the applicant's wrongful act and the rights he wishes to enforce, the court may not grant the applicant's request. To illustrate, if a landlord breaches a term in a tenancy agreement and then issues an eviction notice to the tenant for the tenant's breach of a term in the tenancy agreement, the law might permit the tenant to stay because of the landlord's own breach of the tenancy agreement.

This argument has been unsuccessfully used before the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia in several cases when the accused tried to justify their crimes by insisting that the opposing side had also committed such crimes. However, the argument tu quoque, from the basis of international humanitarian law is completely irrelevant, as the ICTY has stated in these cases.[4][5][6][7]

Historically, however, at the Nuremberg trial of Karl Dönitz tu quoque was accepted not as a defense to the crime itself, or to the prosecution proceedings, but as a defense only to punishment.[8] Otto Skorzeny and officers of Panzer Brigade 150 successfully used tu quoque evidence at the Dachau trials to be acquitted of violating the laws of war by using American uniforms to infiltrate Allied lines in the false flag Operation Greif in the Battle of the Bulge.

[edit] Inconsistency version
This form of the argument is as follows:

A makes claim P.
A has also made past claims which are inconsistent with P.
Therefore, P is false.
This is a logical fallacy because the conclusion that P is false does not follow from the premises; even if A has made past claims which are inconsistent with P, it does not necessarily prove that P is either true or false.


"You say aircraft are able to fly because of the laws of physics, but this is false because twenty years ago you also said aircraft fly because of magic."
Senator Smith: It is important that we all vote for this legislation.
Senator Jones: You just said last week that voting for it was a bad idea.
[edit] See also
Pot calling the kettle black
And you are lynching Negroes
Unclean hands
[edit] References
^ Random House Dictionary
^ Bluedorn, Nathaniel (2002, 2003). The Fallacy Detective. pp. 54. ISBN 0-9745315-0-2. 
^ Logical Fallacy: Tu Quoque
^ Judgment of the Trial Chamber in Case Kupreškić et al.. (January 2000), para. 765
^ Judgment of the Trial Chamber in Case Kunarac et al.. (February 2001), para. 580
^ Judgment of the Appeals Chamber in Case Kunarac et al.. (January 2002), para. 87.
^ Judgment of the Trial Chamber in Case Limaj et al. (November 2005), para. 193
^ Yee, Sienho (2004), "The Tu Quoque Argument as a defence to International Crimes, Prosecution, or Punishment", Chinese Journal of International Law, 3, p. 87-133.
[hide]v · d · eFallacies of relevance
General Absurdity · Accident · Ad nauseam · Argument from ignorance · Argument from silence · Argument to moderation · Argumentum ad populum · Base rate · Compound question · Evidence of absence · Invincible ignorance · Loaded question · Moralistic · Naturalistic · Non sequitur · Proof by assertion · Irrelevant conclusion · Special pleading · Straw man · Two wrongs make a right
Appeals to emotion Fear · Flattery · Nature · Novelty · Pity · Ridicule · Children's interests · Invented Here · Island mentality · Not Invented Here · Repugnance · Spite
Genetic fallacies Ad feminam · Ad hominem (Ad hominem tu quoque) · Appeal to accomplishment · Appeal to authority · Appeal to etymology · Appeal to motive · Appeal to novelty · Appeal to poverty · Appeals to psychology · Appeal to the stone · Appeal to tradition · Appeal to wealth · Association · Bulverism · Chronological snobbery · Ipse dixit (Ipse-dixitism) · Poisoning the well · Pro hominem · Reductio ad Hitlerum
Appeals to consequences Appeal to force · Wishful thinking
3987  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Political Rants & interesting thought pieces on: January 10, 2011, 02:15:40 PM
"Are we to wonder why an angry, grassroots Tea Party spread -- or why it was instantly derided by our experts and technocrats as ill-informed or worse?"

Yet according to the media we should all stop our angry rhetoric, we should all hold hands and calm discussions,  "conversations" (using the term from the shameless Spitzer), all the while we are getting screwed from here to kingdom-come from the left and their elites, they steal our money, bribe voters with it, talk our country down here and abroad, fail to protect our boarders, unilaterally decide to alter our culture, our norms, our way of life, give our hard earned achievements away, and on and on.

That is why I say on the other thread that the right will not be silenced and that the responsibility for murders rests with the guy who commited them and why our politicians many of whom are certainly corrupt are owed no more special privileges.  Talk radio, Sarah Palin, Fox, Beck, and even Olberman bare no responsibility for the crimes.  End of story.

And like I pointed out my opinion on the other thread how brave some politicians are in Mexico who really do risk their lives fighting crime and refuse bribes can you imagine our politicians doing the same here?  Why they take bribes without their lives at stake here.

3988  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Gender, Gay, Lesbian on: January 10, 2011, 12:40:45 PM
Not surprising.

This is the next step after gay marriage in the ascendancy of the gay lifestyle as a choice and simply an alternative and just as normal as heterosexual marriage, child rearing, etc.

I mean we already have the rich gay celebs having children and becoming parents.  Elton John, the lesbian comedian (what's her name).

The MSM *celebrates* this as part of its progressive agenda.

Anyone opposed, is a homophobe, needs couseling, is mean spirited, a bigot and the rest.

It used to be gays told us what they do in the bedroom is none of anyone else's business.  I agree.  But now they tell us it is everyone's business.
3989  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Politics on: January 10, 2011, 12:13:50 PM
Olberman worked on his usual day off over the weekend to immediately turn this into a rant against the evil right.

The fact that the killer appears to have had more politically in common with *his* opinions will of course be ignored.  I don't suppose he will get on the air and state he should tone down *his* rhetoric or of course try to pin the blame on himself.

A lot of people are angry in this country.  And with good reason.  Those to the right of the spectrum will not be silenced.

Like Doug posted, lets try, convict, and execute this murderer the one and only one responsible (as far as we know at this point) for murder.

3990  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Politics on: January 10, 2011, 10:33:08 AM
"We (who survive) will live our lives in and out of metal detectors and cameras with emptied water bottles because of nutjobs like this one."

And now the calls from our brave elected officials to pass more laws for their protection.

We don't need any more laws.  It is reasonable for major security for the President but we have enough laws already for them IMO.

Last night on 60 minutes was the segment on the mayor of Santiago, Mexico who was kidnapped and killed because he refused to play ball with the local drug terrorists.
Now there is a hero!   Can you imagine any of our brave lawmakers in this country truly risking their lives to fight drug terror?  All the brave Mexicans who are trying to fight the terror they live with everyday because of the cowards and punks in this country who sell and do drugs.

Real courage is choosing between "silver and lead" as they are forced to do in Mexico.

3991  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Politically (In)correct on: January 07, 2011, 03:12:56 PM
The interesting "Story of US" on cable pointed out many of the railroad crews were Irish.   They were apparently drinking while working - even when they were using dynamite to blast through rock to lay the tracks.

Some of them apparently wished they had been holding flowers after the many reported accidents including blowing themselves to bits.  I thought of the above famous photo when I heard this.  Hell they didn't need Al Quaida.

3992  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / what was political correct is now political incorrect on: January 07, 2011, 02:58:10 PM
I never forgot how my sixth grade teacher showed us a watered down picture of the following *true* picture in our history book.  In the book the picture shows the guys on the trains waving bouqettes of flowers!  The teacher told us that this was BS (He probably said it more nicely) and in the real picture the guys were holding whiskey bottles.  He was absolutely correct.  When the East and West transAmerica railroad line was finished these guys (many were Irish I understand) were getting sloshed on whiskey not throwing flowers at each other.  But when I was in sixth grade in the sixties political correctness would not allow school grade children to see the "great men of the American West" drinking booze - I suppose.
3993  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Politics on: January 07, 2011, 02:48:46 PM
Therefore they would still be "illegal aliens". 

Well good question.

 I am thinking about Reagan pardoning and granting amnesty to the hordes that were here in the 80s.  Now there are five times more here (at least).

My undestanding is the President has the power to grant amnesty or pardon criminals (of Federal Law?).

So if bamster pardons them they may not be automatic citizens but sure enough they are no longer "illegal".

Notwithstanding some liberals are trying to twist common sense on its head and lose the term illegal and call them undocumented.

"He doesn't need to do anything it's already been done."

True point.  I think though a pardon would even make the path to citizenship a moot point.  I guess I don't know the legal technicalities involved.

3994  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Politics on: January 07, 2011, 01:30:12 PM

"elite libs are absolutely sure they have all the answers and know what's best for the world and things like facts or the truth are just minor nuisances that they talk their way around"

Excellent point and how you expressed this.  They know best for the world and are going to shove it through no matter what.  They are adept at bribing just enough voters to keep them in power.

It is up to Repubs to be able to convince at least some of the Dems, particularly minorities, that crats are hurting them in the long run if buying them off in the short run.

I am convinced that if Bama cannot get some sort of DREAM act or something like it AND if he loses in 2012 he will definitely pardon the illegas during the lame duck period.   He will have nothing to lose at that point and his socialist agenda can then be rammed through with hordes of predominantly new voters who are more than happy to vote for us to pay for more of their benefits.  Alternatively, he will do it in a second term.  I have no doubt.
3995  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Politics on: January 07, 2011, 01:24:14 PM

"elite libs are absolutely sure they have all the answers and know what's best for the world and things like facts or the truth are just minor nuisances that they talk their way around"

Excellent point and how you expressed this.  They know best for the world and are going to shove it through no matter what.  They are adept at bribing just enough voters to keep them in power.

It is up to Repubs to be able to convince at least some of the Dems, particularly minorities, that crats are hurting them in the long run if buying them off in the short run.

I am convinced that if Bama cannot get some sort of DREAM act or something like it AND if he loses in 2012 he will definitely pardon the illegas during the lame duck period.   He will have nothing to lose at that point and his socialist agenda can then be rammed through with hordes of predominantly new voters who are more than happy to vote for us to pay for more of their benefits.  Alternatively, he will do it in a second term.  I have no doubt.
3996  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Politics on: January 07, 2011, 12:10:14 PM
Pelosi: Democrats Lost House Because of ... Bush!
"We still would have lost the election because we had 9.5% unemployment. Let's take it where that came from. The policies of George W. Bush and the Republican support for his initiatives, tax cuts are for the wealth, recklessness by some," Minority Leader Pelosi told CNN.

It is stuff like this that has me scratching my head.  There are a lot of Democrats who I disagree with but who do not say just utter nonsense and seem to have everyone behind the scenes terrified of her.  I can't believe it is just a wonderful "bedside manner" behind the scenes.

It must be mobster style politics with a LOT of powerful financed supporters.  Like play ball and we will get you the bribes to your constuents and send you money for your re election and get the money for the federal funded highway thru the district where you own real estate, or else we will reveal that you are downloading child porn, visiting prostitutes (that were set up for you by me "friends") or have a nice IRS audit of your accounts, etc.

There must be alot more than meets the eye.

Where is the journalism???  Or are they all in the tank or bought off too?

3997  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / poitical gamesmanship on: January 07, 2011, 11:10:46 AM
Just to deflate the crat rat argument:

I think Republicans should raise taxes on billionaires.  How many are there in the US?  100?
Just to stick it back into the faces of the crats who keep going on the tube complaining that the way to bring down the deficit is not to give tax breaks to "billionaires".

OK, so lets raise the rates on all those with a net worth of one billion or more.  Let's include Gates and Buffett and Soros.

Willl this then shut the rats up?
3998  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Politics of Health Care on: January 07, 2011, 09:56:42 AM
It is only common sense to think that adding 45 to 50 million people to the rolls will only drive down health care costs.   huh  I have not read it but the CBO estimate or whatever it is called has to based on multiple assumptions about "preventative" and "quality" care which are really code words for restricted controlled care.  I can even in my armchair gaurantee that these assuptions are based on magical thinking and are not based in any reality.  The CBO estimate is all based on pulling the rug out from the argument that providing health care to 50 million people (at the expense of all the rest of us) will not drive up costs or the deficit.  That is like our government downplaying the Chinese military build up.  I don't know.  Did our leaders always lie like dogs to us?

There is just no end to the tales told in order to redistribute wealth from tax payers to tax benefit receivers.  As long as 50% of the country pays no Federal tax this country is screwed.  There is no end to those on the dole who are quite happy to vote themselves money from the treasury.  Answer:  all people have to pay income tax.  I admit I am not holding my breath though.

****CBO Says Healthcare Law Repeal Will Increase Deficit.
The CBO analysis of the economic effects of repealing the healthcare law garnered much press coverage on Thursday. Many sources characterized the analysis as another bone of contention between Republicans and Democrats that will only intensify the debate over health reform.

        The AP  (1/7, Alonso-Zaldivar) reports, "Repealing President Barack Obama's landmark health care overhaul would add billions to government red ink and leave millions without coverage, Congress' nonpartisan budget referees said Thursday ahead of a politically charged vote in the House." The AP adds, "In a letter to [House Speaker John] Boehner, budget office director Douglas Elmendorf estimated repeal would increase the deficit by $230 billion from 2012 to 2021," and that "about 32 million more people would be uninsured in 2019 as a consequence." But, "Boehner brushed off the Congressional Budget Office analysis as emboldened Republicans, now in the majority in the House, issued their own report arguing that Obama's coverage expansion would cost jobs and increase budget deficits."

        The Los Angeles Times  (1/7, Levey) reports, "House Republican leaders quickly dismissed the new projection from the Congressional Budget unrealistic," and "some analysts have also questioned whether all the savings in the sweeping health overhaul will be realized." Boehner said in response to the analysis, "CBO is entitled to their opinion. ... I do not believe that repealing the job-killing healthcare law will increase the deficit." Nevertheless, "the closely watched CBO, an agency which lawmakers from both parties have historically relied on, is widely considered one of the most important independent sources for information about the impact of proposed legislation."

        According to Politico  (1/7, Kliff), "Michael Steel, spokesman for Speaker John Boehner, brushed off the estimate as faulty accounting," saying, "There is no one that believes the Washington Democrats' job-killing health care law will lower costs, because it won't. That's why we pledged to repeal it and replace it with common-sense reforms that will actually work."

        The Washington Times  (1/7, Dinan) reports that House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) also weighed in on the CBO analysis, saying, "CBO did the job it was asked to do by then the Democrat majority. And it was really comparing apples to oranges, because it talked about 10 years' worth of tax hikes and 6 years' worth of benefits. ... Everyone knows, beyond the 10-year window, this bill has the potential to bankrupt the federal government as well as the states." Yet, "CBO officials, in the letter, challenged that argument, saying the health care law will reduce deficits over the longer term as well," which "means repeal would increase the deficit in the long-term, too."

        The Washington Post  (1/7, Goldstein) reports, "The CBO's assessment, arriving as Republicans have mobilized to make the law's repeal the first major House vote of the new Congress, touches on a sensitive area for the GOP." Notably, "Republicans are vowing to take tough measures to reduce the deficit, although they already have exempted the health care measure from rules requiring that any spending increases be accompanied by offsetting reductions so that the net effect on the deficit is null." The Post says, "The CBO's analysis provided an early glimpse of the brute force politics spreading across Capitol Hill and beyond in the new era of divided government."

        The National Journal  (1/7), the Wall Street Journal  (1/7, Bendavid) "Washington Wire" blog, Reuters  (1/7, Whitesides, Cowan), and another CQ Today  (1/7, Ethridge) article also cover the story, as does The Hill  (1/7, Kasperowicz) in its "Healthwatch" blog and Medscape  (1/6, Lowes).

        Obama Vows To Veto Any Repeal Attempts. The Hill  (1/7, Youngman) reports, "President Obama officially drew a line in the sand Thursday evening, threatening to veto House Republicans' attempt to repeal Obama's landmark healthcare law." The Hill adds, "In a statement of administration policy released by the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), the administration said that repeal would 'would explode the deficit, raise costs for the American people and businesses, deny an estimated 32 million people health insurance, and take us back to the days when insurers could deny, limit or drop coverage for any American.'"

Health Policy and Legislation
House GOP Unveils Several Bills To Repeal, Defund Healthcare Law.
The Hill  (1/7, Pecquet) reports in its "Healthwatch" blog, "Republicans have already introduced almost a dozen bills aimed at repealing, defunding and otherwise weakening Democrats' healthcare reform law since the new Congress opened for business Wednesday." Indeed, "in addition to House Majority Leader Eric Cantor's (R-Va.) bill to repeal the entire law, at least two Republicans -- Reps. Steve King (R-Iowa) and Connie Mack (R-Fla.) -- have introduced straight repeal bills."

        Politico  (1/7, Brown) reports, "Republicans reopened their battle against President Barack Obama's health care law, using the first committee meeting of the new Congress Thursday to eviscerate the overhaul as a 'job killer' and a 'malignant tumor.'" Politico adds, "The committee's formal mandate Thursday was to write the terms of the debate for the repeal vote Wednesday," although "the meeting quickly turned into a rerun of the past two years in both tone and substance, with Republicans blasting Democrats for their handling of the law and Democrats accusing Republicans of flouting their own party rules to rush the repeal bill to a vote."

        Chicago Sun-Times  (1/7, Carlman) reports, "Newly installed Republicans in the US House of Representatives plan to make good this week on their vow to roll back the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, the package of health reforms passed by Congress and signed by President Obama less than a year ago." But, HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius "called the repeal effort 'a huge step backwards' and said the act already has granted Americans freedoms they did not enjoy before it was passed, including coverage for pre-existing conditions, a reduction in employers' expenses and reduced prescription costs for seniors." Sebelius added, "Those are goals we've been talking about for years, and we're finally making some progress. ... We can't afford to take benefits away from families."

Senate Dems Seek To Counter Health Reform Repeal Efforts.
CQ HealthBeat  (1/7, Norman) reports, "Senate Democrats are joining in an all-hands-on deck effort to defend their embattled health care law with a series of hearings on the measure's benefits announced Thursday for the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions committee." For instance, "Senate Democrats also launched their own hearings to counter the heat on the House side. HELP Committee Chairman Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, said he'll convene the sessions during the next several months to highlight how the law benefits Americans. They'll probably include testimony from people who live outside the Beltway," and "administration officials will be asked to discuss implementation and experts will testify."

        The Hill  (1/7, Millman) notes in its "Healthwatch" blog, "The first will examine how the law protects consumers against health insurers. The committee also will examine how the law requires insurers to be transparent about rates and spend at least 80 percent of premiums on healthcare services; benefits small business owners; reduces the deficit; increases quality of care; reduces waste, fraud and abuse; invests in prevention and wellness; provides portable insurance; and expands coverage."

Conservative Groups Urge Dems Who Voted "No" To Support Repeal.
The Hill  (1/7, Millman) reports in its "Healthwatch" blog, "Groups opposing healthcare reform are urging 13 House Democrats who voted against the reform law to support the repeal bill next week." In a letter to the lawmakers,, Americans for Prosperity, Independent Women's Voice and the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons wrote, "If you are really against ObamaCare, then you will vote yea for repeal."

Physicians Group Asks GOP To Strengthen, Not Repeal Healthcare Law.
The Hill  (1/7, Millman) reports in its "Healthwatch" blog, "A pro-reform physicians group is asking leading House Republicans to strengthen -- not repeal -- last year's healthcare overhaul." Notably, "Doctors for America on Thursday morning delivered a petition, signed by more than 2,000 physicians and medical students, to the offices of Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) that urged the new House majority to improve the healthcare reform law." The physicians wrote, "We believe repealing or weakening the Affordable Care Act will move our healthcare system backward -- and we strongly urge against it." ****
3999  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Politics on: January 07, 2011, 09:29:07 AM
Doug, PC, BD, and Crafty,
Thanks for your input.  But none of you have really answered the question.

You all point out achievements.  What I don't get is, 'what is it about her or her skills or her methods that makes her so effective'.

Doug's comment,
"I guess they all have behind-the-scenes-skills"

And this goes to my question.

What are her skills.  Other than being a pushy full of shit ass I simply wonder what it is she does behind the scenes that makes her so succesful.

4000  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Pelosi on: January 06, 2011, 03:15:16 PM
Does anyone understand or know what this lady does that makes her so "effective"  at shoving her will on everyone?

Other than being a world class liar I don't see any obvious great intellectual talents yet everyone seems to bend to her will and fear her behind the scenes.

What is the missing link that us regular people are not privy to?

I just don't get it.

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