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1151  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / U.S. Soldiers Plotted to Kill President Obama on: August 28, 2012, 08:14:25 AM
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/08/prosecutors-us-soldiers-plotted-kill-president-obama/56238/
1152  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Don't f&%# with the mom on: August 28, 2012, 08:05:17 AM
http://www.nwcn.com/home/?fId=167589755&fPath=/news/local&fDomain=10202
 
"I got out with a 2x4 and I broke it over him... I'm not gonna lie, I just went over there and I just stomped him in his face and mouth," Robinson said.
1153  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / GOP convention cancels Monday opening on: August 25, 2012, 06:41:07 PM
The Republican Party has decided to postpone the opening due to Isaac.
1154  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Top 50 Republicans in US Foreign Policy on: August 25, 2012, 06:40:48 AM
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/24/the_50_most_powerful_republicans_on_foreign_policy?page=full

Interesting list.
1155  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Warrantless cell phone tracking on: August 23, 2012, 11:55:10 AM
http://jolt.law.harvard.edu/digest/telecommunications/united-states-v-skinner
1156  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Intel Matters on: August 23, 2012, 11:54:01 AM
*I'm going to quibble on the number of people with access point.  My understanding is that certain passages described events taking place and things being said in a particular room/office to which the number of people who have access could be counted on the fingers of one hand.

Feel free, of course. I've not seen the same.

*SecDef Gates certainly thought he knew who was responsible. evil

I'd like to see a quote, if I may, that makes this crystal clear. I've looked at http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/06/11/obama-and-intel-leaks-investigation-this-smells-like-fix/ and http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/gates-national-security-team-osama-raid-shut-f_646731.html?nopager=1 and http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2892376/posts and http://www.npr.org/2012/06/11/154749427/weekly-standard-leaker-in-chief. Only the last story seems to implicate the National Security Advisor, and even then the story hedges, by saying that Gates felt the he was responsible "directly or indirectly." All of the other stories relate the leak was somewhere in the administration's circle of advisers, with Donilon being the point, seemingly because of the position.

*Still not following your point about unsound logic-- "Qui bono?" seems a valid analytical concept to me , , ,

You can have logical structure but have specious precepts. He does.

*I'd argue that the damage is serious and long term.  We've always been suspect-- with good reason!-- in this regard, but i the eyes of friends, possible friends, and enemies to have the President's innermost circle and possibly/presumably the President himself be willing to sell out sources, methods, and operations (e.g. the Pakistani doctor, the Saudi double agent, etc) is going to be remembered by the real players in these things for a very long time.

For the President to be an "amateur" is one thing, but for him to be a sociopathic narcissist who puts his personal political gain above the lives of those who serve in dark and dangerous places fills me with loathing.  I could be wrong, but my impression from body language, choice of words, and the career implications for the people (and these are very serious people who have dedicated themselves and literally their asses on the line apolitically in the service of our country) in this clip lead me to surmise that my loathing comes in second to theirs.

"At least in the short term," as I said, certainly does not preclude the possibility of the long term damage you discuss.

1157  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Intel Matters on: August 23, 2012, 08:51:18 AM
*Not sure I'm following the distinction you're making but OK.
One of the points made in the article to support the thesis that Obama and/or a proxy is that an administration usually looks bad due to a leak. Since the Obama administration didn't look bad, the implication is that the leak was purposeful. I am NOT saying that it wasn't on purpose, I am saying the supporting argument isn't true.

*My understanding is that some of the intel leaked could ONLY have come from certain high placed individuals.
But how do you, or any reporter, know for sure how many people are in the circle. And, given the number of people supporting those in the circle, the reality is there are likely many people with access to at least some of that specific information. Why couldn't 2 or 3 people have leaked? A recent book by Jack Goldsmith, which I highly recommend, states that there were at least 183 since 2005. He also quotes Richard Helms as saying"the probability of leaks escalates expontentially each time a classified document is exposed to another person--be it an Agency employee, a member of Congress, a senior official, a typist, or a file clerk." Given the amount of support needed for the mission, there were MANY eyes.

*Obama sure did not and does not seem very upset that this intel got leaked.  What of the guy that SecDef Gates told "STFU"?  No consequences there , , ,

IMHO this simply is as bad as it looks.

And, despite all of the above, I agree with you here. I suspect it was purposeful, and I agree that it is likely bad, at least in the short term, for the IC. I just think the people making the argument should make without holes in the logic.
1158  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Intel Matters on: August 23, 2012, 04:26:14 AM
That's not what I said. I was taking issue with what I suspect is a fallacious claim in the article.

And, it is worth noting that "Obama's national security team" includes people from outside government, so I don't think the circle is as small as the author implies.

By the way... here is an article about a forthcoming book from a SEAL who was part of the OBL raid team: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/48754703/ns/today-the_new_york_times/.
1159  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Intel Matters on: August 21, 2012, 08:38:48 PM
"Leaks usually hurt administrations...".

I'm not sure that this empirically accurate. Usually when the adminstration leaks it is just called something different. A "trial balloon" perhaps. There is plenty of evidence that suggests that adminstrations have leaked info for benefit for years.
1160  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Deficit of Strategic Thinking on: August 18, 2012, 05:34:53 AM
http://www.democracyarsenal.org/2012/08/the-deficit-of-strategic-thinking-and-the-ryan-plan-.html#more
1161  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / CATO on hyperinflation on: August 17, 2012, 05:36:50 AM
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/a-comprehensive-list-of-hyperinflations-in-history/

Note that there is a link to the paper in the brief discussion.
1162  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: August 15, 2012, 01:31:25 PM
Doug: Decidedly helpful, thank you. I appreciate your response, and always, I enjoy the discussion.
1163  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Citizens defend themselves/others. on: August 14, 2012, 08:16:21 PM
Decent, short video:

1164  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: August 14, 2012, 06:24:46 PM
"It is not that uncommon that economists don't like the conclusions that others draw from their research."

A few things, Doug:

1. So? Isn't it possible that it isn't uncommon because people don't understand the article?

2. Really? I know several economists, and not one of them has ever said this to me.

3. As an academic, I find it flattering when my work is cited (I was recommended reading for the Obama transition team... pretty neat!). I think I would be frustrated if my work was used to support something I didn't say, or even something contrary to what I said. You don't find it somewhat disconcerting that the majority of the economists cited don't support the position taken?
1165  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Thatís not what our research says on: August 14, 2012, 10:41:01 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/08/economists-to-romney-campaign-thats-not-what-our-research-says/

Mitt's economists not being careful readers of the studies they cite.
1166  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / U.S. military officers are told to plan to fight Americans on: August 12, 2012, 04:58:23 PM
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/7/the-civil-war-of-2016/
1167  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Paul Ryan on: August 12, 2012, 03:34:32 PM
http://money.cnn.com/2012/08/12/news/economy/paul-ryan-economy/index.htm

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/11/opinion/holbrook-romney-ryan/index.html
1168  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Obama's team on the Paul VP pick on: August 11, 2012, 02:00:46 PM
http://nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/obama-team-salivates-over-ryan-pick-20120811
1169  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Political Rants & interesting thought pieces on: August 08, 2012, 09:30:11 AM
A great article. Since this is a forum dedicated to searching for truth, I sould say that there is some question as to the author. Here is the same article, attributed to Marko Kloos. (This does not change in any way my appreciation for the article.)


http://munchkinwrangler.wordpress.com/2007/03/23/why-the-gun-is-civilization/
1170  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Quotes, quips, and sayings on: August 07, 2012, 11:34:21 AM
"Of all recent presidents, the second Bush presidency demonstrated itself to be the one most desperately in need of James Madison." Robert J. Spitzer
1171  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Increasing Military Power with Less Money on: August 06, 2012, 10:13:07 PM
http://www.democracyarsenal.org/2012/08/more-effective-and-more-efficient-increasing-military-power-with-less-money-.html#more
1172  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Tipping the Scales on: August 06, 2012, 09:39:21 PM
http://nationaljournal.com/magazine/john-roberts-tipping-the-scales-20120726

Interesting article on Roberts and the Roberts Court.
1173  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Rest in Peace RIP R.I.P. on: August 04, 2012, 01:57:57 PM
This is a major loss. Not only from the history of warfare, but also the history of warfare strategy. There is a major and important difference, and his contribution to second area may not be equaled again.
1174  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: August 03, 2012, 10:10:03 AM
I was asked today to be on local television to comment on the general election in November. I will be in studio for the duration of the coverage after the polls close. National and important state and local elections will be on the docket.   cool
1175  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / no jobs debate on: August 03, 2012, 07:30:25 AM
http://www.nationaljournal.com/economy/lost-on-the-campaign-trail-a-real-jobs-debate-20120802
1176  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / woman lifts car off of father on: August 02, 2012, 08:18:32 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/01/lauren-kornacki-lifts-bmw_n_1728396.html
1177  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / TSA backlash on: August 01, 2012, 05:57:47 AM
http://www.anh-usa.org/the-backlash-against-backscatter/
1178  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / witnesses lead to arrest of three on: August 01, 2012, 05:56:42 AM
http://www.examiner.com/article/3-arrested-after-robbing-and-beating-87-year-old-veteran
1179  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Young Men in Free Fall on: August 01, 2012, 05:55:35 AM
http://higherunlearning.com/2012/02/26/chrisbrownandthesoundsofyoungmeninfreefall/
1180  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / India Blackout on: July 30, 2012, 07:16:08 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48391005/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/
1181  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / NRA v. Hollywood for political clout on: July 30, 2012, 02:20:25 PM
http://influencealley.nationaljournal.com/2012/07/the-nras-got-nothing-on-hollyw.php
1182  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / North Korea's makeover on: July 30, 2012, 06:15:55 AM
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/07/26/north_korea_s_extreme_makeover
1183  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Mitt's Pilgrimage on: July 29, 2012, 07:41:23 PM
Piece on Romney's trip to Israel and its domestic impact.


http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/07/25/mitt_s_pilgrimage
1184  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Charen: Can We Still Call Men Heroes? on: July 29, 2012, 02:05:35 PM
http://townhall.com/columnists/monacharen/2012/07/27/can_we_still_call_men_heroes
1185  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Tax can't be a pig on: July 29, 2012, 11:53:43 AM
http://www.rollcall.com/news/Justice-Antonin-Scalia-Health-Care-Mandate-Can-Not-Be-a-Pig-216540-1.html?pos=hln

Scalia, O'Connor and small discussion on Scalia's retirement.
1186  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Romney on Israel on: July 29, 2012, 11:52:32 AM
http://nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/romney-respects-israeli-right-to-attack-iran-20120729 but, http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/romney-clarifies-comments-on-iran-20120729.
1187  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Morris: History of the Vice-Presidency on: July 28, 2012, 07:25:43 PM
This was interesting. One thing I would add is that the vice presidency has been vacant for roughly a third (that is a quick estimate) of the nation's history. It is difficult to build any institutional legitimacy when that is the case. It is not an accident that the VP was taken more seriously after there was a constitutional amendment meaning that there would always be a veep.

1188  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Civil War in Missouri on: July 28, 2012, 07:08:11 PM
http://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/books-and-literature/reviews/civil-war-in-missouri-gives-state-its-due/article_8ed340ac-d73c-11e1-bf46-001a4bcf6878.html
1189  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of His Glibness on: July 27, 2012, 01:03:54 PM
I see no mention of President Obama's influence on this decision.

Another POV: http://msn.foxsports.com/olympics/fencing/story/Opening-ceremony-flag-issue-make-US-ugly-Americans-at-London-Olympics
1190  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Aurora hospital to waive fees for shooting victims on: July 26, 2012, 06:28:29 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48328035/ns/us_news/?__utma=14933801.129016654.1342392792.1343263370.1343265883.18&__utmb=14933801.2.10.1343265883&__utmc=14933801&__utmx=-&__utmz=14933801.1342411925.5.3.utmcsr=nbcnews.com|utmccn=(referral)|utmcmd=referral|utmcct=/&__utmv=14933801.|8=Earned%20By=msnbc|cover=1^12=Landing%20Content=Mixed=1^13=Landing%20Hostname=www.nbcnews.com=1^30=Visit%20Type%20to%20Content=Internal%20to%20Mixed=1&__utmk=179933476#.UBCeFECe4T8
1191  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: July 25, 2012, 05:59:57 PM
Debate dates and subjects have been released!
1192  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / JPS: Should Hate Speech Be Outlawed? on: July 24, 2012, 04:06:05 PM
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/jun/07/should-hate-speech-be-outlawed/?pagination=false
1193  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Teen who tweeted sex attackers' names won't face charges on: July 24, 2012, 01:20:45 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48292780

A Kentucky teenager frustrated by light punishment for two boys who pleaded guilty to sexually assaulting her was spared Monday from having to face a contempt charge for naming them on Twitter in violation of a court order.
1194  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Mexico-US matters on: July 24, 2012, 06:04:30 AM
http://www.businessinsider.com/this-graphic-shows-what-mexican-cartels-and-drugs-come-to-your-town-2012-7
1195  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: American History on: July 22, 2012, 07:13:20 AM
Since I often lambast Morris, I have to say that he gets this one mostly right.
1196  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / shooting at the Batman on: July 20, 2012, 07:30:58 AM
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/20/12850048-14-shot-dead-at-dark-knight-rises-screening-in-aurora-colorado?lite

14 dead.   cry cry
1197  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / U.S. Concerned as Syria Moves Chemical Stockpile on: July 20, 2012, 07:14:19 AM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303644004577523251596963194.html?mod=djem_jiewr_PS_domainid

The country's undeclared stockpiles of sarin nerve agent, mustard gas and cyanide have long worried U.S. officials and their allies in the region, who have watched anxiously amid the conflict in Syria for any change in the status or location of the weapons.


Side note: Syria has a spokesman whose name is Jihad. I can't wait until "Holy War Johnson" is on American airwaves.
1198  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: China on: July 20, 2012, 07:07:49 AM
Russ,  Wow, great writing and analysis!  Nice to have you on board.

It's been 23 years since the Tiananmen protests and the regime's use of force against them.  I believe freedom will prevail but I've been wrong about the timing for a very long time.

I wholeheartedly agree with DougMacG. Welcome to the the forum, Russ.

On a side note, China is opening in interesting ways. I met 18 Chinese students this week, and had the opportunity to discuss the Constitution, in particular separations of power and the Bill of Rights with them for a couple hours. They are on site for a two week experience. Very interesting discussions.
1199  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Good samaritan in drive thru on: July 19, 2012, 06:48:07 PM


Good thing he had his knife!
1200  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / DNC Apologizes to Ann Romney for Horse Videos on: July 19, 2012, 11:26:56 AM
http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/dnc-apologizes-to-ann-romney-for-horse-videos-20120719
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