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1701  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: China vs. Islam on: August 03, 2011, 10:20:12 AM
A quick out, GM.  I like your pithy statements.

1702  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: China vs. Islam on: August 03, 2011, 10:09:49 AM
China is a fine example, using your words, of "civilizational confidence."  I wonder if Marxists have infiltrated academia and media in China?  I hear it is a pretty free country.

Here is a nice video of Times Square in the Marxist capital of the world... the United States.  Oh, wait, it is the "civilizational confidence" China.   

As I pointed out, there was once a time where Americans had civilizational confidence, of course that was before the marxists infiltrated academia and the media. Now we have a large number of self-hating loons that think America is evil, of course they'd never leave this country and still expect it's protections while they work to undercut the nation from within.
1703  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: China vs. Islam on: August 03, 2011, 07:31:20 AM
That clarification took too many days and too many questions.  It's interesting you made this point with the article you did, and mentioned "outlaw biker gangs" in a prior "rebuttal" when you didn't mean domestic actions in the U.S. 

So you were not condoning that type of action in the domestic US?

So, you are advocating that domestically we do it like the Chinese do?

No, my point was the intent and the aggression. No mealy-mouthed appeasement.

With the possible exception of a ticking time bomb scenario as described by Alan Dershowitz.
1704  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: China vs. Islam on: August 03, 2011, 06:54:18 AM
So you were not condoning that type of action in the domestic US?

So, you are advocating that domestically we do it like the Chinese do?

No, my point was the intent and the aggression. No mealy-mouthed appeasement.
1705  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: China vs. Islam on: August 02, 2011, 03:41:36 PM
This doesn't really answer Guro's question, which is much the same as I have been asking you for a couple days.  I want to know explicitly how you tie Halsey's actions (not single line quote) to China's domestic crackdown.  I then want to know, explicitly, why you think China's domestic crackdown should be emulated in the United States.  I then want to know, explicitly, how that domestic crackdown would not violate several constitutional amendments.  

I'm advocating that we stop being the bunch of weak, spineless Oprah-audience members this country has turned into. If you asked the average Han Chinese about the "root causes" of muslim violence in Xinjiang, they'd tell you they don't give a cao and they were glad the People's Armed Police was crushing them.

I'd be willing to bet a large amount of money that right now, there are lots of muslims in the custody of the Ministry of State Security going through things that make waterboarding seem like a walk on a spring day. Some of them won't ever been seen again.

Where is the UN? Where is the EU? Where are the protests? Flotillas?
1706  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: China vs. Islam on: August 02, 2011, 11:17:13 AM
So you are wimping out?
1707  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / New Yorker report on: August 02, 2011, 08:18:49 AM
An interesting look at the inside of the mission.  And, of course, there was a dog with the SEALs.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/08/08/110808fa_fact_schmidle?currentPage=all
1708  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Pictures of Afghanistan on: August 02, 2011, 05:17:55 AM
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/08/01/see_no_evil
1709  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Oslo-bomber on: August 02, 2011, 05:12:23 AM
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/08/01/a_murderers_manifesto_and_me?page=0,0
1710  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: China vs. Islam on: August 02, 2011, 03:16:33 AM
GM, until you actually respond to your fallacious comparison of China's domestic actions vs. Halsey's international actions, I am done with this conversation.
1711  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: China vs. Islam on: August 01, 2011, 08:06:44 PM
Conservatives have complained about the USSC review of military tribunals in the War on Terror, but not Quirin.  Why?  You like the outcome.  That's it.  But the USSC is a civilian court.

You still fail to tell me how Halsey's international actions compare to China's domestic ones, GM. 
1712  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: China vs. Islam on: August 01, 2011, 07:32:30 PM
As I recall, the USSC is still a civilian court that holds trials.  I am aware of the case, since I teach it.  I am aware of the precedent.  But CASE was before the civilian court.

He fought the war internationally.  You still haven't addressed my point.
1713  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: China vs. Islam on: August 01, 2011, 06:08:01 PM
We had the kind of government that gave civilian trials to German sabateurs, GM.  Is this what you are advocating?

And, yes I do.  Are you aware of the difference between foreign and domestic affairs? 

The article you posted was about the Chinese POLICE killing militants in CHINA.  Why would you bring up a military officer?  Are you now arguing that, like the Chinese, the war on terror is better dealt with by the police? 

Like it or not, we still have the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 8th amendments. 
1714  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: China vs. Islam on: August 01, 2011, 04:27:05 PM
Were you not posting the article because you are pleased with the manner in which the Chinese dealt with the Islamic militants?  Do the US and Chinese have a similar governing ethos?  Do the Chinese have the individual rights that Americans have?

If you were pleased, as you insinuate; since the US and China do not have a similar governing ethos; and because the Chinese do not have the rights that Americans have (as discussed in the governing document) then the US would have to adopt a similar government to that of China (or at least alter the government we do have in a similar vein) to fight Islamic militants in the same manner that the Chinese do.

1715  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: China vs. Islam on: August 01, 2011, 01:00:26 PM
I firmly believe that we need a government that is similar to China's!!!!  I support you on this 100% GM! 

Funny enough, you can fight a war to win without changing your gov't.

Hmmmmm, really?  Not according to your prior quote. 

"You will see an iron fist and bloodshed."
1716  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: China vs. Islam on: August 01, 2011, 11:27:11 AM
I firmly believe that we need a government that is similar to China's!!!!  I support you on this 100% GM! 
1717  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / "Why I Quit Lying" on: July 31, 2011, 10:13:52 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2011/LIVING/07/28/true.story.rs/index.html
1718  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / shift from 2012 Presidential on: July 31, 2011, 07:50:09 AM
This is shifted, as per Guro's request, from the 2012 Presidential thread to this thread.  For background information on the original discussion, please see: http://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=2112.500 (July 29-30).

From GM: "I'm not arguing, I really don't understand how a driver's license from a different state is given "full faith and credit" yet a concealed weapon license is not. The issuance of a license (driver or CCW) seems to to me to fall under the definition of a public act, thus a "shall" and not a "may" catagory.

I asked a state trooper that was teaching a class I was in on traffic code (Troopers really know traffic code, they sleep, eat and breathe it in my state) about out of state drivers who are in technical violation of state traffic code while in our state (in this case, the display of a front lic. plate). My state statute say all vehicles on public roadways MUST (not may) display a front license plate when operating a vehicle on a public roadway. The statute does not make allowance for out of state vehicles. We have a bordering state where only the rear plate is required. The trooper and every other person I've asked has never explained why that statute doesn't apply to the out of state vehicles. Is that a "full faith and credit" thing?"

First, GM, let me apologize for assuming that you were being argumentative and not seeking information.  I did indeed, manage to make an a$$ of myself. 

Second, the answer, as I understand it, to the question is that Congress has taken action in this area.  I will post 2 Wikipedia articles below that provide some background information, but please note that the cooperation began at least by the 1950's (Beemer Resolution) and has supported sine by a variety of congressional actions (ex: funding the Joint Executive Board). 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_License_Compact

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_License_Agreement
1719  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: July 30, 2011, 05:21:33 PM
MAY, GM.  Or did. 

Please don't get into an argument with me about this one.  Please note that I agreed with you.
1720  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: July 30, 2011, 06:24:34 AM
GM, While I agree with you that the CCW rulings should be recognized nationwide, you need to read the whole clause:

Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof (my emphasis).

There is major difference between may and shall.  And according the clause, it would seem, it leaves the enforcement to the discretion of Congress.
1721  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Mexico-US matters on: July 27, 2011, 12:53:07 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Office_of_the_Independent_Counsel

The politics around the special prosecutor led Congress to refuse to re-up the statute.
1722  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Mexico-US matters on: July 27, 2011, 12:20:24 PM
Congress hasn't had the statutory authority to name a special prosecutor since 1999.
1723  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / SA on violent action on: July 25, 2011, 10:20:32 PM
Here is an article from Scientific American that might be of interest here.  It was written in the wake of the Rep. Giffords shooting in AZ, but seems applicable here.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=anger-management-self-control
1724  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: bastards on: July 23, 2011, 02:01:46 PM

Wait, are we sure this wasn't the Tea Party or people upset about Obamacare?

You were right, GM.  It seems that the early reports of an aQ connected group claiming responsibility were wrong. 

"A 32-year-old Norwegian was arrested and charged with terrorism, but police have not officially released his name. Local media has identified the man as Anders Behring Breivik, who has been described as a right-wing Christian fundamentalist."
1725  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Gerber on Thomas on: July 23, 2011, 10:20:12 AM
An article most of you will like:

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1202504720006&Its_not_Thomasgate&slreturn=1&hbxlogin=1
1726  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Who owns America? on: July 23, 2011, 06:39:26 AM
http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/21/who-owns-america-hint-its-not-china/?hpt=hp_bn2
1727  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / 84 kids on: July 23, 2011, 05:57:34 AM
I have taught my children never to assume that a person with a badge at the door is a police officer and to call the police if someone knocks on the door when I am not home.  This is common practice, because safety experts realized a long time ago that people can pose as police officers to enter the home. 

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07/23/norway.explosion/index.html?iref=BN1&hpt=hp_t1

It was while authorities were searching for survivors of the mid-afternoon bombing in Oslo that a man wearing a police uniform and identifying himself as a officer arrived by boat at Utoya island, where word was spreading among the campers about the explosion in the capital, Pracon said.

The hundreds teens and young adults attending the camp were gathered in a large meeting room where camp organizers were sharing information about the bombing in Olso when the police officer asked if he could address the group, Pracon said.

"We, of course, allowed him to come" in and address the group, Pracon said.

1728  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / "What's wrong with these guys?" on: July 23, 2011, 05:27:17 AM
It is still fun to watch this.

1729  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / bastards on: July 22, 2011, 03:34:34 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/world/europe/23oslo.html?_r=2&hp
1730  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Other Weapons on: July 22, 2011, 08:38:26 AM
I feel like we are 2 seconds away from hearing: "Bring out the Gimp!"
1731  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Media Issues on: July 20, 2011, 06:36:50 PM
That's pretty funny.
1732  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: The Older Warrior on: July 19, 2011, 02:27:06 PM
or a "never was".

As the country music song says "I ain't as young as I once was, but I am as young once as I ever was."

I thought this exact thing when I read the article. 

I am glad you liked it C-Mighty Dog.
1733  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Ballard: The Age of Descent on: July 19, 2011, 09:16:23 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1188159/index.htm

A nice, short article about remaining active as you age.
1734  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: The Power of Word on: July 17, 2011, 07:10:09 PM
I find crimes of any type against children to be especially emotional for me.  This is one of the worst that I am of aware of some time.  I share sadness for the child and the parents... and the community.
1735  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Jefferson, letter to Judge Roane, 1821 on: July 17, 2011, 07:07:41 PM
This is a good quote, but keep in mind he had a long time dispute with John Marshall.  Kin is funny that way.



"The great object of my fear is the federal judiciary. That body, like gravity, ever acting, with noiseless foot, and unalarming advance, gaining ground step by step, and holding what it gains, is ingulfing insidiously the special governments into the jaws of that which feeds them." --Thomas Jefferson, letter to Judge Spencer Roane, 1821

1736  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / 51st state? on: July 14, 2011, 07:33:22 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/51st-state-small-step-forward-long-shot-south-233234624.html
1737  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Issues in the American Creed (Constitutional Law and related matters) on: July 12, 2011, 08:37:11 PM
GM: Thanks for the post.  Did the ACLU support the language for policy change, the rape manual, or both? 
1738  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Issues in the American Creed (Constitutional Law and related matters) on: July 12, 2011, 08:19:24 PM
Although it is in Boston, this conference might interest several of you.

http://conconcon.org/
1739  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Issues in the American Creed (Constitutional Law and related matters) on: July 12, 2011, 06:57:17 AM
If I understand the case correctly (and I may not), the issue was the age of consent.  The age of consent is a legal definition, set by a legislature.  There is nothing magical about the age of consent, as seen by a variety of ages for sexual and marital consent from state to state.  That would make any attempt to either alter the age of consent or abolish it all together political speech.

I don't like NAMBLA, I don't understand NAMBLA, I don't condone NAMBLA.  I'll never fund NAMBLA, join NAMBLA, or befriend anyone I know is a member of NAMBLA.  That does not mean that NAMBLA lacks political speech rights. 
1740  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Mila Kunis and a U.S. Marine on: July 11, 2011, 06:59:51 PM
Another reason to see every movie Mila Kunis makes:

http://blog.movies.yahoo.com/blog/1693-mila-kunis-accepts-marines-invite-to-corps-ball
1741  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Issues in the American Creed (Constitutional Law and related matters) on: July 11, 2011, 06:53:43 PM
GM: It was you who said that the Stalinist history of the ACLU should not be ignored, but you are quite open to overlooking the socialist history of the Pledge.  Why is this?  While I recognize the differences between Marxism, communism, Stalism, and socialism, those on the right simply conflate them.  So, yes, for the sake of this argument, I am quite willing to let them be morally equivilant.

Are you seriously trying to argue that NAMBLA is threatening to the republic?  Let's go back to your original contention that ACLU members hate the republic.  I have serious doubt that NAMBLA will lead to the demise of the US as we know it.  I find that particular organization to be disgusting, with reprehensible goals. 

According to the ACLU, here is the reason that it supported NAMBLA:

Why did the ACLU represent NAMBLA?
The ACLU of Massachusetts' represented members of NAMBLA because, while the ACLU does not advocate sexual relationships between adults and children, we do advocate robust freedom of speech. This lawsuit struck at the heart of the First Amendment. It is easy to defend freedom of speech when the message is something people find reasonable. The defense of freedom of speech is most critical when the message is one most people reject. For more information about the case, please contact the ACLU of Massachusetts.

For the record, I think it is important for the ACLU, or other organizations, to protect free political speech.  It is easy to support popular causes.  It is not so easy to support the controversial ones. 

Voltaire springs to mind here.

1742  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Issues in the American Creed (Constitutional Law and related matters) on: July 11, 2011, 08:22:43 AM
No more so than we should dismiss the socialist agenda of the author of the Pledge.
1743  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Issues in the American Creed (Constitutional Law and related matters) on: July 11, 2011, 07:41:46 AM
Is child porn protected by the First Amendment, GM?  If not, it is NOT an outcome.  I provided you with a list of cases that the ACLU has supported at the USSC and won.  Those ARE outcomes.  Did you look at the list?  Did you see the protected speech?  The protected press?  Probably not.  I realize that no matter what the ACLU does, you will not change your mind.  Once your mind is made up, there is no changing it.  No matter what.  I am glad that you can justify your socialist leaning with the Pledge of Allegiance, though.  Well played!
1744  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Issues in the American Creed (Constitutional Law and related matters) on: July 11, 2011, 06:01:16 AM
Two words don't change the history of the Pledge or the meaning of the other words.  Tere is a guy who stands tall and wants to end the use of the socialist indoctrination of the Pledge (see below).  If you can't ignore history, you can't ignore history, GM.  But, if you are willing to look at the outcomes, say the protection of liberties involving speech, press, and religion (even the exercise thereof) like the ACLU has a, well, history of working toward, then I guess you can accept the change that two little words in the Pledge can make....

http://thatsrightnate.com/2009/07/30/the-socialist-threat-of-the-pledge-of-allegiance/
1745  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Issues in the American Creed (Constitutional Law and related matters) on: July 10, 2011, 10:36:34 PM
No way.  That is just a convenient marriage of the socialist and Congress.  Just because it has "under God" in there now does not mean you can ignore the socialist history of the Pledge.  We must stop this socialist movement from entering our schools.  They poison our children's minds at such a young age.  Once the pledge is socialist, it is always socialist. 
1746  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Issues in the American Creed (Constitutional Law and related matters) on: July 10, 2011, 10:10:38 PM
GM: Do you refuse to say the Pledge of Allegiance since it was written by a socialist?

You simply can't ignore the socialist roots of this pledge, and its goal to undermine the republic.  It is SOCIALISM!!!!!!!!

http://www.ushistory.org/documents/pledge.htm
1747  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Privacy, Big Brother (State and Corporate) & the 4th Amendment on: July 10, 2011, 03:58:28 PM
Very interesting.  While I still do not like the presence of cameras on every street corner, the unintended consequence here is a nice one.  Thanks for sharing this article also.
1748  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Issues in the American Creed (Constitutional Law and related matters) on: July 10, 2011, 03:56:32 PM
Ah, but despite the image they attempt to cultivate, they do not defend the constitutional rights of everyone, just those that fit their leftist agenda.

Lefties like Limbaugh and Nazis. 
1749  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: We the Well-armed People (Gun rights stuff ) on: July 10, 2011, 03:54:40 PM
Thanks for keeping us up to date with this story, GM.  It is indeed an important story to follow. 
1750  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Issues in the American Creed (Constitutional Law and related matters) on: July 10, 2011, 06:39:22 AM
Yes BD, let's just gloss over the Stalinist origins of the American Criminal Liberties Union, and their use of the US legal system to undercut this country by citing a few constitutional amendments and Rush Limbaugh.

Pay no attention to the commies behind the curtain.....

GM: You claimed that "No one with an American Criminal Liberties Union membership has anything but contempt for the republic."  While you take the name in a misleading manner, you spoke in absolutes.  To make such an absolute statement demands that you poll everyone with an ACLU membership, or anyone who has ever held an ACLU membership, and make sure that nary a one has "anything but contempt for the republic." 

I then provided you with a list of cases that the ACLU has taken to the USSC and won.  On this list are cases that strengthened individual freedoms, including many cases related to free speech and the free exercise of religion.  Many of the cases stem from issues regarding the 4th and 6th Amendments. 

As you might know, the Constitution is the document that leads, and in some ways defines, the republic.  Yet, when I use it to debunk the argument that made in absolutists tones, you say I hide behind it???  The nerve I have to hide behind a few constitutional amendments! 

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