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1751  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Museum would have been far smarter on: August 26, 2011, 06:21:36 AM
It would have made more sense to have a museum dedicated to civil rights portraying it from slavery to the present thereby encompassing the whole struggle and the (millions) who (not just the one guy) did not struggle in vain. 

It would have been a learning experience for those too young to know and a reminder for those who are old enough to remember.

Instead we got a politically correct monstrosity.

This statue stands for appeasement in my view.  Not a stark reminder of a shameful part of our history.

http://www.civilrightsmuseum.org/
1752  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Fall Dog Brothers Open Gathering of the Pack 9/18/11 on: August 19, 2011, 10:18:34 PM
"During dinner one night at Dog Brothers camp, a guy asked about injuries and how we rebound from them and why we fight. Crafty turned towards me and said "ask Toki, he is healing from an injury, he Never turns down a fight and will fight men a foot taller and 100 lbs heavier..ask him why he fights". As I started to explain and somewhat intellectually ramble..what I should have said is that ..I couldn't imagine the pain of simply watching my fellow Dog Brothers fight without me. I think that pain is deeper then any physical pain that I endure. It is also the motivation to heal for the next Gathering.

Woof!!!"

C-Mighty Dog, your explanation about your motivation was amongst my favorite memories of the Training Camp.  I thought you discussed the sense of remaing true to self and to your fellow warriors in a way that really connected with me, and I suspect many others who sat at the table with you.
1753  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / George Carlin and The Power of Word on: August 19, 2011, 06:44:31 PM
I think this is underrated.  I miss George Carlin and his insight.

1754  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: August 10, 2011, 04:20:30 PM
An interesting article on third party candidates from the LA Times:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-masketnoel-indies-20110810,0,128833.story
1755  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: DBMA Training Camp August 12-14 on: August 10, 2011, 04:18:58 PM
Guro Crafty,

Do you have an outline for the material that will be covered each day in case a student and I are limited to either Saturday or Sunday ?

Thank you

I LOVE the idea of a syllabus! 
1756  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Media Issues on: August 05, 2011, 02:25:46 PM
Congress is traditionally the lowest regarded branch of government, no matter who is in power, and no matter who is asking the questions (and the article says as much).  It wouldn't matter, almost certainly, if the president had been Republican and the Congress had been split.  That said, if you look at MOC reelection rates, constituents LOVE their elected officials. 
1757  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Libertarian Issues on: August 05, 2011, 01:28:41 AM
Nope.  As another example for the need to stop President Obama.

I didn't surf there.  The article was sent to me by a conservative. 
As a joke? Alex Jones isn't what I'd call a conservative by any means.
1758  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Libertarian Issues on: August 04, 2011, 06:17:51 PM
I didn't surf there.  The article was sent to me by a conservative. 
1759  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Libertarian Issues on: August 04, 2011, 08:08:04 AM
http://www.infowars.com/raw-food-raid-armed-agents-bust-raw-milk-cheese-sellers/
1760  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: China vs. Islam on: August 04, 2011, 08:05:24 AM
So, the Bush administration is to blame for the terrorist dining in the Pentagon?

I don't understand the point of the nationalism article you posted.  It doesn't refute the idea of Marxism.  You can have Marxist nationalists.

Are Mexico and Canada part of the US?  If not, why would you think I meant to exclude them?
I do not approve of the United States assassinating (or just regular murdering) its own citizens.
It depends on the SEAL team's current situation.  If it needed to deploy, I'm not sure why a SWAT team couldn't be deployed instead (unless a Fort Hood type attack).  If it reacted informally, like the Marines did in the recent story that made its rounds on the internet, where they apprehended a shop lifter. 


I'd like to see you discuss Guro's question about the cultural differences between China and the US.  No more question dodging just by asking more questions!
1761  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: China vs. Islam on: August 03, 2011, 10:28:09 AM
So, are you calling for the prosecution of those SEALs that punched OBL's ticket, BD? If not, why not?

I don't really understand the context of your question.  SEALs were taking action internationally.  

I also am not sure what led you to ask this question.  I have no problem fighting to win a war, GM.  I do have a problem with ignoring the rights of Americans, by Americans, on American soil.  See the discussion of the BOR's I asked you about above.  If you will recall, by questions about UBL's killing was not about the military personnel, it was about your favorite target, President Obama.  The difference here is mostly that I respect the office enough to call him by his title, and not take liberty with his name.  

Also, nearly everytime we've gone a few rounds, my issue has had to do with domestic agents (or the possibility of domestic action) taking liberties, that are spelled out in the Constitution, from the citizens of the United States.  
1762  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: China vs. Islam on: August 03, 2011, 10:20:12 AM
A quick out, GM.  I like your pithy statements.

1763  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: China vs. Islam on: August 03, 2011, 10:09:49 AM
China is a fine example, using your words, of "civilizational confidence."  I wonder if Marxists have infiltrated academia and media in China?  I hear it is a pretty free country.

Here is a nice video of Times Square in the Marxist capital of the world... the United States.  Oh, wait, it is the "civilizational confidence" China.   

As I pointed out, there was once a time where Americans had civilizational confidence, of course that was before the marxists infiltrated academia and the media. Now we have a large number of self-hating loons that think America is evil, of course they'd never leave this country and still expect it's protections while they work to undercut the nation from within.
1764  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: China vs. Islam on: August 03, 2011, 07:31:20 AM
That clarification took too many days and too many questions.  It's interesting you made this point with the article you did, and mentioned "outlaw biker gangs" in a prior "rebuttal" when you didn't mean domestic actions in the U.S. 

So you were not condoning that type of action in the domestic US?

So, you are advocating that domestically we do it like the Chinese do?

No, my point was the intent and the aggression. No mealy-mouthed appeasement.

With the possible exception of a ticking time bomb scenario as described by Alan Dershowitz.
1765  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: China vs. Islam on: August 03, 2011, 06:54:18 AM
So you were not condoning that type of action in the domestic US?

So, you are advocating that domestically we do it like the Chinese do?

No, my point was the intent and the aggression. No mealy-mouthed appeasement.
1766  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: China vs. Islam on: August 02, 2011, 03:41:36 PM
This doesn't really answer Guro's question, which is much the same as I have been asking you for a couple days.  I want to know explicitly how you tie Halsey's actions (not single line quote) to China's domestic crackdown.  I then want to know, explicitly, why you think China's domestic crackdown should be emulated in the United States.  I then want to know, explicitly, how that domestic crackdown would not violate several constitutional amendments.  

I'm advocating that we stop being the bunch of weak, spineless Oprah-audience members this country has turned into. If you asked the average Han Chinese about the "root causes" of muslim violence in Xinjiang, they'd tell you they don't give a cao and they were glad the People's Armed Police was crushing them.

I'd be willing to bet a large amount of money that right now, there are lots of muslims in the custody of the Ministry of State Security going through things that make waterboarding seem like a walk on a spring day. Some of them won't ever been seen again.

Where is the UN? Where is the EU? Where are the protests? Flotillas?
1767  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: China vs. Islam on: August 02, 2011, 11:17:13 AM
So you are wimping out?
1768  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / New Yorker report on: August 02, 2011, 08:18:49 AM
An interesting look at the inside of the mission.  And, of course, there was a dog with the SEALs.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/08/08/110808fa_fact_schmidle?currentPage=all
1769  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Pictures of Afghanistan on: August 02, 2011, 05:17:55 AM
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/08/01/see_no_evil
1770  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Oslo-bomber on: August 02, 2011, 05:12:23 AM
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/08/01/a_murderers_manifesto_and_me?page=0,0
1771  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: China vs. Islam on: August 02, 2011, 03:16:33 AM
GM, until you actually respond to your fallacious comparison of China's domestic actions vs. Halsey's international actions, I am done with this conversation.
1772  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: China vs. Islam on: August 01, 2011, 08:06:44 PM
Conservatives have complained about the USSC review of military tribunals in the War on Terror, but not Quirin.  Why?  You like the outcome.  That's it.  But the USSC is a civilian court.

You still fail to tell me how Halsey's international actions compare to China's domestic ones, GM. 
1773  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: China vs. Islam on: August 01, 2011, 07:32:30 PM
As I recall, the USSC is still a civilian court that holds trials.  I am aware of the case, since I teach it.  I am aware of the precedent.  But CASE was before the civilian court.

He fought the war internationally.  You still haven't addressed my point.
1774  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: China vs. Islam on: August 01, 2011, 06:08:01 PM
We had the kind of government that gave civilian trials to German sabateurs, GM.  Is this what you are advocating?

And, yes I do.  Are you aware of the difference between foreign and domestic affairs? 

The article you posted was about the Chinese POLICE killing militants in CHINA.  Why would you bring up a military officer?  Are you now arguing that, like the Chinese, the war on terror is better dealt with by the police? 

Like it or not, we still have the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 8th amendments. 
1775  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: China vs. Islam on: August 01, 2011, 04:27:05 PM
Were you not posting the article because you are pleased with the manner in which the Chinese dealt with the Islamic militants?  Do the US and Chinese have a similar governing ethos?  Do the Chinese have the individual rights that Americans have?

If you were pleased, as you insinuate; since the US and China do not have a similar governing ethos; and because the Chinese do not have the rights that Americans have (as discussed in the governing document) then the US would have to adopt a similar government to that of China (or at least alter the government we do have in a similar vein) to fight Islamic militants in the same manner that the Chinese do.

1776  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: China vs. Islam on: August 01, 2011, 01:00:26 PM
I firmly believe that we need a government that is similar to China's!!!!  I support you on this 100% GM! 

Funny enough, you can fight a war to win without changing your gov't.

Hmmmmm, really?  Not according to your prior quote. 

"You will see an iron fist and bloodshed."
1777  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: China vs. Islam on: August 01, 2011, 11:27:11 AM
I firmly believe that we need a government that is similar to China's!!!!  I support you on this 100% GM! 
1778  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / "Why I Quit Lying" on: July 31, 2011, 10:13:52 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2011/LIVING/07/28/true.story.rs/index.html
1779  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / shift from 2012 Presidential on: July 31, 2011, 07:50:09 AM
This is shifted, as per Guro's request, from the 2012 Presidential thread to this thread.  For background information on the original discussion, please see: http://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=2112.500 (July 29-30).

From GM: "I'm not arguing, I really don't understand how a driver's license from a different state is given "full faith and credit" yet a concealed weapon license is not. The issuance of a license (driver or CCW) seems to to me to fall under the definition of a public act, thus a "shall" and not a "may" catagory.

I asked a state trooper that was teaching a class I was in on traffic code (Troopers really know traffic code, they sleep, eat and breathe it in my state) about out of state drivers who are in technical violation of state traffic code while in our state (in this case, the display of a front lic. plate). My state statute say all vehicles on public roadways MUST (not may) display a front license plate when operating a vehicle on a public roadway. The statute does not make allowance for out of state vehicles. We have a bordering state where only the rear plate is required. The trooper and every other person I've asked has never explained why that statute doesn't apply to the out of state vehicles. Is that a "full faith and credit" thing?"

First, GM, let me apologize for assuming that you were being argumentative and not seeking information.  I did indeed, manage to make an a$$ of myself. 

Second, the answer, as I understand it, to the question is that Congress has taken action in this area.  I will post 2 Wikipedia articles below that provide some background information, but please note that the cooperation began at least by the 1950's (Beemer Resolution) and has supported sine by a variety of congressional actions (ex: funding the Joint Executive Board). 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_License_Compact

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_License_Agreement
1780  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: July 30, 2011, 05:21:33 PM
MAY, GM.  Or did. 

Please don't get into an argument with me about this one.  Please note that I agreed with you.
1781  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2012 Presidential on: July 30, 2011, 06:24:34 AM
GM, While I agree with you that the CCW rulings should be recognized nationwide, you need to read the whole clause:

Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof (my emphasis).

There is major difference between may and shall.  And according the clause, it would seem, it leaves the enforcement to the discretion of Congress.
1782  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Mexico-US matters on: July 27, 2011, 12:53:07 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Office_of_the_Independent_Counsel

The politics around the special prosecutor led Congress to refuse to re-up the statute.
1783  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Mexico-US matters on: July 27, 2011, 12:20:24 PM
Congress hasn't had the statutory authority to name a special prosecutor since 1999.
1784  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / SA on violent action on: July 25, 2011, 10:20:32 PM
Here is an article from Scientific American that might be of interest here.  It was written in the wake of the Rep. Giffords shooting in AZ, but seems applicable here.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=anger-management-self-control
1785  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: bastards on: July 23, 2011, 02:01:46 PM

Wait, are we sure this wasn't the Tea Party or people upset about Obamacare?

You were right, GM.  It seems that the early reports of an aQ connected group claiming responsibility were wrong. 

"A 32-year-old Norwegian was arrested and charged with terrorism, but police have not officially released his name. Local media has identified the man as Anders Behring Breivik, who has been described as a right-wing Christian fundamentalist."
1786  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Gerber on Thomas on: July 23, 2011, 10:20:12 AM
An article most of you will like:

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1202504720006&Its_not_Thomasgate&slreturn=1&hbxlogin=1
1787  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Who owns America? on: July 23, 2011, 06:39:26 AM
http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/21/who-owns-america-hint-its-not-china/?hpt=hp_bn2
1788  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / 84 kids on: July 23, 2011, 05:57:34 AM
I have taught my children never to assume that a person with a badge at the door is a police officer and to call the police if someone knocks on the door when I am not home.  This is common practice, because safety experts realized a long time ago that people can pose as police officers to enter the home. 

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07/23/norway.explosion/index.html?iref=BN1&hpt=hp_t1

It was while authorities were searching for survivors of the mid-afternoon bombing in Oslo that a man wearing a police uniform and identifying himself as a officer arrived by boat at Utoya island, where word was spreading among the campers about the explosion in the capital, Pracon said.

The hundreds teens and young adults attending the camp were gathered in a large meeting room where camp organizers were sharing information about the bombing in Olso when the police officer asked if he could address the group, Pracon said.

"We, of course, allowed him to come" in and address the group, Pracon said.

1789  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / "What's wrong with these guys?" on: July 23, 2011, 05:27:17 AM
It is still fun to watch this.

1790  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / bastards on: July 22, 2011, 03:34:34 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/world/europe/23oslo.html?_r=2&hp
1791  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Other Weapons on: July 22, 2011, 08:38:26 AM
I feel like we are 2 seconds away from hearing: "Bring out the Gimp!"
1792  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Media Issues on: July 20, 2011, 06:36:50 PM
That's pretty funny.
1793  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: The Older Warrior on: July 19, 2011, 02:27:06 PM
or a "never was".

As the country music song says "I ain't as young as I once was, but I am as young once as I ever was."

I thought this exact thing when I read the article. 

I am glad you liked it C-Mighty Dog.
1794  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Ballard: The Age of Descent on: July 19, 2011, 09:16:23 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1188159/index.htm

A nice, short article about remaining active as you age.
1795  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: The Power of Word on: July 17, 2011, 07:10:09 PM
I find crimes of any type against children to be especially emotional for me.  This is one of the worst that I am of aware of some time.  I share sadness for the child and the parents... and the community.
1796  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Jefferson, letter to Judge Roane, 1821 on: July 17, 2011, 07:07:41 PM
This is a good quote, but keep in mind he had a long time dispute with John Marshall.  Kin is funny that way.



"The great object of my fear is the federal judiciary. That body, like gravity, ever acting, with noiseless foot, and unalarming advance, gaining ground step by step, and holding what it gains, is ingulfing insidiously the special governments into the jaws of that which feeds them." --Thomas Jefferson, letter to Judge Spencer Roane, 1821

1797  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / 51st state? on: July 14, 2011, 07:33:22 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/51st-state-small-step-forward-long-shot-south-233234624.html
1798  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Issues in the American Creed (Constitutional Law and related matters) on: July 12, 2011, 08:37:11 PM
GM: Thanks for the post.  Did the ACLU support the language for policy change, the rape manual, or both? 
1799  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Issues in the American Creed (Constitutional Law and related matters) on: July 12, 2011, 08:19:24 PM
Although it is in Boston, this conference might interest several of you.

http://conconcon.org/
1800  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Issues in the American Creed (Constitutional Law and related matters) on: July 12, 2011, 06:57:17 AM
If I understand the case correctly (and I may not), the issue was the age of consent.  The age of consent is a legal definition, set by a legislature.  There is nothing magical about the age of consent, as seen by a variety of ages for sexual and marital consent from state to state.  That would make any attempt to either alter the age of consent or abolish it all together political speech.

I don't like NAMBLA, I don't understand NAMBLA, I don't condone NAMBLA.  I'll never fund NAMBLA, join NAMBLA, or befriend anyone I know is a member of NAMBLA.  That does not mean that NAMBLA lacks political speech rights. 
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