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151  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Movie Fights on: October 08, 2008, 08:07:19 PM
I had forgotten about this one - 'Rob Roy' sword fight between Tim Roth and Liam Neeson
152  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Women fighters at DB Gathering on: October 08, 2008, 07:54:26 PM
If you have a desire and a talent for something, seems that you should go do it regardless of gender.
On the other hand, fighting as spectacle, and fighting for money add a whole other aspect to the thing. It's not a pretty business.
Personally I don't like seeing anyone get pummelled into the ground, either because the other fighter was way superior, or purely due to an ability to endure pain.
Now skill and technique .... THAT'S fun to watch.
153  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: VIDEO CLIPS OF INTEREST on: October 08, 2008, 05:51:23 PM
Awesome clip! Very cool.
154  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: home made equipment on: October 08, 2008, 09:04:19 AM
@ Jogo do Pao
I'll call him - I'm glad one of us labeled our training vids accurately grin
155  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: home made equipment on: October 05, 2008, 02:08:11 PM
@ Jonobos -
...Success? ...Hmmm, well I guess it would depend on how you define it!  Training with it certainly gave you a great appreciation of how blocking/striking to one side leaves you wide open on the other, and how it's hard to keep track of high, low, left and right at the same time  tongue
It was certainly good at training the eyes to perceive motion, improving the peripheral vision, getting blocks up fast, keeping the feet light and looking for the open space between the moving objects instead of the focusing on the weapons themselves.
Maestro Sonny was all about having an exit aswell as an entry and it was good training for that.

@ Crafty Dog -
I will try to see what I can find, though it is more likely to by my lame ass attempts captured on tape, not his ...though I do remember him demonstrating it ..... If the worst comes to the worst I'll try to get together a clip of us working with it now.
156  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Kali Tudo Working Examples on: October 04, 2008, 03:18:34 PM
..."Ajarn Chai gave me the cruel idea to tape push pins "tacks" to the heels of the feet to make people stay on their toes.  I have yet to try it but the concept states how important it is to Chai so I myself make sure my students stay "tall" on the balls of the feet. "

LOL! Nice idea!!
Staying on the balls of the feet is key. Couldn't agree with you more.
157  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: home made equipment on: October 04, 2008, 03:10:44 PM
I'm going to have to look harder to see if any footage exists of Maestro Sonny's "Frustrator" in use . Like the one shown, there are 2 sticks hung from a center rope, one at knee and the other at shoulder level. But unlike the one shown, Sonny added blades to the ends and devised a way to connect the sticks to the central rope in such a way that they could spin 360 degrees in opposite directions without twisting the rope up. He also left the low end free so the sticks would swing round more randomly.
The MAIN difference in Sonny's exercises from other versions I've seen is that the practitioner does not stay in front of the sticks. Sonny wanted his students to cross from one side to the other, not just left and right, but stepping through the central point to the other side (trying to get to the back of the opponent). He wanted at least one foot to touch the point directly under the center (or as close as possible) before ending up 180 degrees to where you started. This would sometimes involve stepping over the lower stick, ducking under or fading round the end of the upper stick and of course blocking, redirecting and striking as you went.
...that's why the device got it's name evil
158  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: VIDEO CLIPS OF INTEREST on: October 02, 2008, 08:50:39 PM
DVD promo for Systema SpetsNa training
Found this on another forum with this intro from the poster:
"Russia's elite show how the young Speznatz squaddie correctly prepares himself for a night out ....."  cheesy

Some good exercises for fluidity and mobility.
159  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Street Weapons on: October 02, 2008, 06:17:59 PM
Some classic 70s movie has this happen in the opening scene. Was it "The French Connection"?
160  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Cooties in Training on: September 28, 2008, 09:24:20 PM
"Herpes gladiatorum"
BBC News article:
161  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Farewells and Goodbyes on: September 22, 2008, 11:21:51 PM
Like Rio said .. Come back the way you left ... after all we still gotta dust those Hakamas off and do battle Shinkendo/Toyama Ryu style-E grin

162  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: VIDEO CLIPS OF INTEREST on: September 17, 2008, 07:02:44 PM
The security guard on the left was full on. 2 single punch KOs as well as some nice combinations.
163  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Law Enforcement issues on: September 16, 2008, 06:33:24 PM
Here is the link to the Law Enforcement - Military Trainers issue of the FMA Digest just out:
Acrobat Reader – Printable:

Contains articles from trainers that use FMA when teaching LEO and Military.
164  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Case Study: Bystanders doing nothing... on: September 15, 2008, 09:12:32 AM
Thanks C-Kaju Dog! Great advice.
"Violence of action, even if you throw someone into the mix against their will, they will be put into a possition to either distract the baddy or become an asset to you".
That's what I was going for - distraction or asset. Glad it makes sense to you, though I can see that you can't really rely on anyone in the end apart from yourself..... sad

This may seem unrelated, but I have been reading Erik Durschmied's book "From Armageddon to the Fall of Rome. How the Ancient Warlord Changed the World".
It's based on contemporary accounts of ancient battles, looking at the strategy and tactics of the leaders of the time.
What links the book to this thread for me is this idea of leadership, and how one person can have an affect on others and how humans react together as a group, either with great heroism against odds or to cut and run.
Perhaps that's why I am interested in this 'case study'.
165  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Case Study: Bystanders doing nothing... on: September 12, 2008, 07:24:50 PM
"TAKE CHARGE" - Absolutely.
I'm sure you are right about the ultimate simplicity in the thing, I was just curious about the choice of words etc. Like I said in my first post, I had heard that "fire" works to attract attention better than "help", and was wondering what else works better or worse. Also I know that singling out an individual for a task works well - "YOU do X, NOW", but what if everyone is looking away or have not seen it happening? If you are the first person to notice an incident, how do you get attention ? I suspect that just saying "stop him stop him", or "OMG" or whatever might not be effective -  A mighty roar of outrage perhaps grin
Just looking for ideas from those that might have dealt with this more than me.
166  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Case Study: Bystanders doing nothing... on: September 12, 2008, 05:55:39 PM
I like the idea of "snatching someone up". Just grab em and go.
Perhaps 2 people becoming active (i.e. a change in the situation) would be catalyst enough to get others motivated, even if 1 of the 2 wasn't exactly 'highly motivated'?
How about direct eye contact, pointing, or commands - "You!" or "Move!" or "Now!"  or "Get Him!" ?
Seems like this kind of crisis situation knowledge would be valuable not only in this scenario but for any time when a group effort was required (natural disaster, accident etc).  Surely there must be some studies on this? I've seen studies on the bystander apathy part, but not on how to change it.
I guess the big question is, how do you turn passive inactivity to constructive activity when needed?
167  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Case Study: Bystanders doing nothing... on: September 12, 2008, 09:13:50 AM
I agree. Of course everyone was thinking that someone else might start first, or that this was not their problem, or that they did not know what to do. or that they were afraid of getting hurt etc.
The stupid part is that AS A GROUP they could have subdued this guy even if 1 on 1 they may not have been able to.
Leo Giron said that the reason he got back into teaching was because of an incident involving an attack on a group of nurses, who AS A GROUP could have dealt with the attacker had they known what to do.
If there is an OODA loop, as talked about in the "sucker punches" thread, that can be broken to stall an attack, is there an equivalent apathy loop that can be broken in a case like this?
I'm not looking for Shakespeare's Henry V or a Leonidas speech to get people motivated, but if I, or other people willing to get involved in a critical situation need to enlist the help of others, what's the best way to do it? Do any of the LEO or military guys have any insight?
168  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Case Study: Bystanders doing nothing... on: September 10, 2008, 06:11:31 PM
I learned to wear sunglasses and earphones in NYC to avoid unwanted attention. But no music and no sleeping, especially on the subway.

I would love to know what phrases work best on people to get them moving/helping etc. They say that yelling  "Fire!" works better than "Help!". Is that true? What about in this case - 10 people against 1 with a hammer ?
Have there been any studies done comparing how people react when different words are shouted? Would simply getting up and starting doing something motivate others to help, or would it take yelling commands? How about quietly enlisting help from the closest person ... "I'm going to X, You go round and do Y" ....
I suspect that the guy with the hammer would keep having an advantage if attacking each person in turn, and each person did not trust the next to join them in helping so no-one did anything. 10, 5 or 3 against 1 OK, but a series of 1 against 1 ... not so good. You need a group effort.
Any ideas?
169  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Being Prepared without Being Paranoid on: August 30, 2008, 07:51:49 PM
Wasn't sure whether to put this in the 'pre-emption ...' or the 'video clips' thread ..... Anyway perhaps it works here.

Apparently this guy trained Nelson Mandela's bodyguards. This is a 5 minute spot on an Australian morning TV show, so not exactly 'in depth', but I think he illustrates some good, basic principles of self defense.
170  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Citizens defend themselves/others. on: August 25, 2008, 04:17:50 PM
Published: Wednesday, July 30, 2008

Monroe couple describe how they fought off armed man

By Jackson Holtz, Herald Writer
MONROE -- A few hours before Donna Angevine smacked an intruder in the head more than 20 times with a baseball bat early Thursday, she was sparring with her tae kwan do instructor.

He had to egg her on.

"Hit me," the instructor told her. Be aggressive.

The self-defense and martial arts training paid off for the Monroe woman, 45, when she and her husband, Roger Angevine, woke up to find a man in their bedroom.

"I'm here to rob you," they remember him saying.

Nearly a week later, the couple has stitches and deep purple bruises. Donna Angevine has a black eye. Her husband, 48, has a foot-long bruise on his side and a bite mark on his thigh.

The carpet in their bedroom, where the attack occurred, was removed. Police said the blood from the fight rendered it a biohazard and it needed to be destroyed.

The intruder is behind bars.

Taking a break from mowing their lawn Tuesday, the couple -- he's a retired business owner and she's a doggie fashion designer -- recounted their ordeal.

Roger Angevine said at first he thought maybe the intruder was a friend pulling a prank. He asked the man if he was serious.

"Does this feel serious?" the stranger said.

Angevine felt the sharp slap of a baseball bat against his torso.

The blow triggered a 15-­minute struggle.

The man ordered the couple, who were naked and unarmed, to the ground.

That's when Roger Angevine decided to fight back.

He tackled the intruder, hitting him with such force that he knocked the man's head through the drywall.

"My goal was to grab onto his wrists and hold on," Roger Angevine said.

An avid snowmobiler, Roger Angevine said he knows how to grip handlebars strong enough to save his life. Grasping the man's wrists was similar.

The couple was able to take away the intruder's gun and baseball bat.

"Hit him! Hit him! Hit him!" Roger Angevine yelled to his wife.

Again and again, Donna Angevine swung the bat at the man's head. She pleaded with him to stop fighting, but he continued.

"Please stop fighting," she said. "I don't want to hurt you anymore."

The fight went back and forth from the bedroom into an adjoining weight room. The two men wrestled while Donna Angevine kept swinging the bat.

At one point, the intruder bit Roger Angevine's thigh.

"That's actually what pissed me off," he said.

Finally, the intruder succumbed. The couple hog-tied him with belts and Donna Angevine sat on him until Snohomish County sheriff's deputies arrived.

"I came to make a quick buck," the man, 24, told police, according to court papers.

He said he walked from his Bothell home to the couple's residence at the end of a long private road in rural Monroe, the documents said.

"You have a lovely home," the man told the couple during the robbery attempt. "I thought you'd have lots of cash."

The intruder was hospitalized Thursday with a head wound. On Friday, he was booked into the Snohomish County Jail for investigation of first-degree burglary, first-degree robbery, second-degree assault and possession of a stolen firearm. He was being held Tuesday on $100,000 bail.

Police found in the man's backpack a knife, plastic zip ties, white nylon rope, black duct tape and a single roll of toilet paper, potentially for use in gagging his victims.

Roger Angevine said he finds it hard to believe someone would randomly stumble upon the house he and his wife built eight years ago. The intruder also seemed to know the layout of the house.

The man slipped in through an unlocked door, fetched a slab of bacon from the kitchen to lure the couple's three dogs away and found the bedroom amid the sprawling floor plan, Angevine said.

Snohomish County detectives continue to investigate the break-in. The Angevines acted in self-defense and will not face charges, officials said.

The couple said they're locking their doors and have beefed up their security plan.

They hope their ordeal will provide a cautionary tale to others.

"You can't rely on locked doors to stop a guy with a gun, baseball bat and a mission," Roger Angevine said. "You have to be able to defend yourself."

On Tuesday night, Donna Angevine said she continued her self-defense training at a session for women at Tiger Rock tae kwon do in Monroe.

"The guy just picked the wrong people to mess with," she said.

Reporter Jackson Holtz: 425-339-3437 or
The Daily Herald Co., Everett, WA
171  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Self defence with a Walking Stick on: August 21, 2008, 05:48:52 PM
Fantastic! Thanks for sharing afro

'Bartitsu' That's brilliant cheesy
172  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Law Enforcement issues on: August 17, 2008, 11:38:41 AM
Lt MedTB:
The "Founding Fathers" seemed to have an appreciation of the weaknesses inherent in systems of power, building in the separation of powers and a system of checks and balances.
All words are open to interpretation, so it seems that it is the constant responsibility of any citizenry to stay engaged in this process of critical thinking; observing, evaluating, voting, dissenting - whatever is necessary.
Fear is a tried and true tactic to erode this independent thinking process, and I think it is worth stepping back and evaluating any large policy changes based on fear to see if they are rational or not, and to see if they are worth the cost.
e.g. "The bad people are a out there and a threat to you and your family. Unless we get the power to "X", we cannot guarantee your safety". True? Not true?
173  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Law Enforcement issues on: August 16, 2008, 12:22:26 PM
I agree, but I would more emphasis on the "educated citizenry" aspect. A free thinking, educated people with the capacity for critical thinking and an experience of REALITY that can sense manipulation, especially when fear is used to veil intent, is key to all the rest.
174  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Law Enforcement issues on: August 16, 2008, 11:55:16 AM
Fear is the easiest form of control (The evil doers are out there waiting to hurt you unless we.....). Those in positions of power have used it to force compliance for millenia.
How do you fix that ?
If laws are necessary for a society to survive, as are those elected to enforce them because of the baser qualities of human beings, what is the balance between personal responsibility and societal responsibility to check the predators, but also to check those supposed to protect us?
.....'the only thing to fear is fear itself'.....?
175  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: home made equipment on: August 15, 2008, 05:15:46 PM
Not exactly alot of equipment here, but the location makes for a great workout. cool
176  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Crimes using knives on: August 12, 2008, 07:34:14 PM
Blog from the UK regarding knives and crime.

Celebrating the knife

    * Mark Easton
    * 6 Aug 08, 02:45 PM GMT

This weekend in the French town of Nontron they are holding their annual Fête du Couteau - a celebration of the knife.

Poster for Fête du Couteau Knife lovers from all over Europe will descend on Périgord Vert to discuss blades with some of the world's finest cutlers.

Even in Sheffield where cutlery runs in the blood, it would be impossible to imagine such an event. The knife has become weaponised in Britain, stripped of all artistry and beauty.

As a Cub Scout in the 1960s I was given a knife by my parents to wear on my belt. It was one of the best presents I can remember; a bone handle with a long and razor-sharp blade housed in a tough leather sheath.

It was certainly dangerous but it was also significant: a sign that my mum and dad considered me mature enough to be trusted with such a tool.

Were I to do the same for my son today, I would be regarded as irresponsible and he might be regarded as a criminal.

The now ubiquitous phrase "knife crime" suggests the problem lies with the implement rather than the user. The contents of my kitchen drawer has become an arsenal. Evil lurks in the cutlery tray.

A few weeks ago, at the height of the knife panic, Gordon Brown was filmed chatting to some urban youth at a project in South London. "What do you think about an amnesty for knives?", the Prime Minister asked.

The tall young man in his hoodie was quick to point out the policy flaw. "What's the point of that?" he asked. "You'd just go and get another one."

I am hopeful that as we enter what some call the "silly season" (but I prefer to think of as the sensible season), the sense that we are living through a widespread epidemic threatening our daily lives will be replaced

by a belief that, while there are dangers in our society, the vast majority of us need not worry unduly.

I worry that the British media, including the BBC, must take some responsibility for a different epidemic - a phobia of street violence which diminishes people's quality of life.

The renowned criminologist Robert Reiner published some research a few years ago which asked whether the media's depiction of crime had changed since the war. In quantity terms, he found very little difference.

But the way criminal behaviour was described had altered significantly.

"The most marked trend in the reporting of crime over the half-century studied was the increasingly accentuated portrayal of crime as an all pervasive menace" he wrote in the journal Criminal Justice Matters,

"threatening ordinary people...and in particular harming exceptionally vulnerable individuals."

"The style of reporting shifts markedly", he concluded, "from a degree zero description largely in legal terms only, to the vivid accounts of the fear and suffering of the victims with whom the reader is invited to identify."

He compared two stories from 1945 and 1989. The first from the Daily Mirror reported the trial of a "strip-tease dancer" and an American paratrooper for the murder of a hire-car driver.

"What is striking from the coverage", wrote Professor Reiner, "are a number of absences: no account of the details of the murder itself, of the injuries suffered by the victim, or any fear he might have experienced."

The more recent story comes from The Times and was headlined "Martial arts fanatic gets life for killing daughter aged five: Girl died from a combination of pain, shock and exhaustion after vengeful beating."

"The pictures portray a smiling child, a sullen and sinister looking man and a weeping woman", Professor Reiner noted. "The story graphically details the fear and suffering of the girl, and undermines any excuse of

'bad temper' offered on behalf of the accused. The story is clearly victim-centred and demonises the offender."

"Crime stories fifty years ago took for granted that crime was wrong independently of whether suffering was inflicted on sympathetic victims. The burden of the story was to make the perpetrator comprehensible."

Academics in the USA have long been documenting a similar phenomenon there. In her 1980 book, Crime News and the Public, Doris A. Graber noted: "The mass media supply a large amount of data about specific

crimes. These data convey the impression that criminals threaten a legitimate social system and its institutions."

A 1998 Freedom Forum report included this observation: "Disproportionate and superficial coverage fuels public fear and anxiety, which then can cause politicians to overreact and pass unnecessary and costly

get-tough-on-crime laws."

In February 1999, an American Bar Association study on "Federalization of Criminal Law" criticised the US Congress for passing "misguided, unnecessary and harmful" anti-crime laws, for fear of appearing "soft on


I feel as though we have been living through an identical experience a decade later. Crime has been falling for over 12 years and yet our law makers have passed more than 50 Acts of Parliament to deal with public

concerns that it is getting worse.

Some of the legislation has been valuable, but there is scant evidence that all the new laws have contributed to making us safer. I suspect the constant focus on counteracting the crime menace has helped make us

all more fearful.

Will we ever again have the confidence to put on a British festival of the knife or give a Cub Scout a bone-handled blade?
177  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Virtues of the Dog on: August 01, 2008, 05:54:34 PM
I'm not sure how to bring this thread back to a martial arts topic, but....
It seems like the need for community is a key part of the human experience, and part of that wish to be a member of a particular group comes from a respect for the values of the group, respect for the elders of the group (i.e those that were there before you and in a sense holders of the traditions of the group) and perhaps a knowledge that there are like minded others who are there for you in difficult times.
To connect to the 'virtues of the dog' idea, this community would seem to rely a great deal on the role models/elders whose job it is to instill 'right' behavior in the others of the group. Dogs may have a predisposition to loyalty, protectiveness etc, but the greatest dogs I have been around were the mountain rescue dogs in the National Park where I lived for a time. These dogs were HIGHLY trained and an absolute pleasure to be around. Contrast this with your average pet owner who expects Lassie to appear from their puppy with no effort on their part, who subsequently turns into a hazard to all.
My point I guess is obvious - you have to have good leaders to create a worthy community. 'Good' meaning competent, trustworthy, honest, smart and fair, along with courageous, compassionate etc etc.
If this was a political thread I would probably go from here to talk about the pitfalls of leadership, the corrupting nature of power, trust, secrets, fear and apathy. However it is not  grin so instead I will say that this is why IMHO the training is the key: What, how and WITH WHOM.
178  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: June 27, 28-29 DBMA Camp with Guro Crafty on: July 09, 2008, 08:40:48 PM
I had the pleasure of training and exchanging ideas with Bruno for a few days last week.
It was absolutely fascinating, and also inspiring to be introduced to the relatively unknown art of Garrote Larense.
Bruno has had a vast and varied career in many diverse systems from around the world and has a great enthusiasm for all things martial, but the Garrote is something special.
To find an art that is a TRULY ambidextrous, BLADE based art is indeed rare, and to watch footage of the old masters gave me much food for thought, and got my mind working on all kinds of new training ideas cool grin
There seem to be many cross over points between the system I train (Visayan Corto Kadena Eskrima) and Garrote, which is not surprising since the primary weapons of each system are very similar, however, the flavor, the stances, the attitude, the training methodology are distinctly different. For this reason, the all too few days spent with Bruno were totally engrossing and I only wish there had been more time.
I look forward to the forthcoming DVD and appreciate the work Crafty and Night Owl are doing to preserve old knowledge and educate us about the rich weapons systems of the world.
179  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Daily Expression of Gratitude on: June 26, 2008, 08:19:41 AM
I am grateful for the precious time I spent with my teacher Maestro Sonny Umpad who would have turned 60 today.
180  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: What would you have done? on: June 24, 2008, 06:24:50 PM
Have any studies been done on the best way to get a random group of bystanders to do something useful in a situation such as this?
Trigger words? Tactics?
I'm sure I could have come up with something to do on my own, but it seems that strength in numbers would be better.... this reminds me of the first 'Grandfathers' speak' DVD and the interview with Leo Giron. He tells of how he started teaching again after hearing about a crazy guy that killed a group of women (nurses?), and how he believed the guy could have been stopped if they had had training and worked together.
181  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: VIDEO CLIPS OF INTEREST on: June 24, 2008, 06:12:20 PM
I found more info:
Wikipedia expands a little:-
"The founders of Sambo were Vasili Oshchepkov (who died during the political purges of 1937 for refusing to deny his education in judo under its founder Kano Jigoro) and Viktor Spiridonov. They independently developed two different styles, both with the same name. Spirdonov's style was a soft, aikido-like system developed after he was maimed during the First World War.[1] Anatoly Kharlampiev, a student of Victor Spirdonov, is often officially recognized as the founder of Sport Sambo".
182  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: VIDEO CLIPS OF INTEREST on: June 23, 2008, 06:35:07 PM
More old Black and White:
Russian? Sambo? Anyone read Cyrillic?
183  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: A Father's Question on: June 22, 2008, 10:45:03 AM
A few thoughts:
I do not think it is true that the world is mostly populated by a#$holes. I would REALLY recommend traveling with your son, anywhere from Iceland to Thailand to realize that people in general are tremendously generous and helpful. Stay off the tourist track and you will find it even more so.
Also, I like the way a man I know who is a Unitarian Minister makes sense of human behavior. He believes that every one is trying the best they can, it's just that sometimes their best is just not very good!
I agree that there are very few truly 'evil' people in the world, just selfish, ignorant, afraid, 'messed - up' people. This insight does not make life any easier of course, but perhaps it leaves room for change.
Everyone is on their own path and sometimes it is hard not to get caught up in other people's negativity, however I do not think 'turning a deaf ear and a blind eye' is necessarily the best course because it is like looking away from reality. The interesting question to me is how to hold this reality in one hand and at the same time 'knightly' values in the other?
One can only try to live an honest and righteous life and as Karsk said, lead by example. I always try to think the best of people, everyone gets one chance (perhaps 2 or 3 if I'm feeling generous!), if they don't live up to their word then I let them go. It takes a while to find the knights, but it's a worthy quest!!
184  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Movies of interest on: June 20, 2008, 08:15:19 PM
Ong Bak 2 Promo Reel:
185  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Knife for Self Defense on: June 19, 2008, 04:38:14 PM
Aaah ....very good. Thanks Guro Crafty.
186  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Being Prepared without Being Paranoid on: June 19, 2008, 08:29:45 AM
Peregrine -
The name of the thread is better this way as you are right, being relaxed AND prepared is the key.
187  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Knife for Self Defense on: June 19, 2008, 08:28:31 AM
The name of the thread is now  "Being Prepared without Being Paranoid" - I think that's more accurate (thanks David).
188  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Relaxed vs. Prepared on: June 15, 2008, 08:37:45 PM
I've taken a quote from Tony Torre from another thread to post here:
"........I think staying out of danger is largely a matter of knowing the "rules" and being aware.  With practice and experience I believe one can stay pretty relaxed because of their confidence in their ability to see trouble brewing.  It really is kind of rare to find truly spontaneous crime.  I know what you mean about out of balance people I've met many of them.  Funny thing is that these people because of their paranoia tend to attract the very things they claim to be trying to avoid.  I guess all that psychic energy being spent on day dreaming about boogy men blinds them to the real ones.  Another thing is that usually their body language screams out victim!"

How you grew up is obviously a big influence on how you view the world, as is your job and general life experience. So also is what, how and in what atmosphere you train.
Training can change you in adult life and can mitigate the effects of the other influences, though I guess it can go in both directions. The question of how to train is what personally interests me here because it can have such an effect.
I was very lucky to have a phenomenal teacher Maestro Sonny Umpad, a highly skilled eskrimador who believed that students learned best when their minds were open and therefore relaxed. He taught at a high level of intensity but with humor, and though I'm not sure how he did it, managed to instill in his students a tremendous sense of respect for the blade and it's lethal potential along with a real joy of playing eskrima. ( I love that you "play" eskrima cool).
I would be very interested to hear any other thought/comments you guys might have regarding the role of martial training in the context of this thread.

David, I grew up in Europe also and am a huge believer in the power of humor and wit to create a peaceful society grin
189  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Knife for Self Defense on: June 15, 2008, 07:46:17 PM
...3 right turns ....LOL!!'
I think you're right about the connection between practice and experience, and being relaxed. I hope you don't mind but I thought I'd transfer your ideas to the other thread: 'Relaxed vs Prepared'
190  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Knife for Self Defense on: June 14, 2008, 11:02:31 PM
Oakland is just the most dangerous place I've personally spent any length of time in. I'm sure Miami wins, but having never been there it doesn't count for me!
As far as paranoia goes, sounds like you are pretty well balanced, but I have come across plenty of people in and out of the martial arts that seem to have trouble with this.
The 'trades' = construction, I'm a painter.

PS: Can you tell if they're really after me........?
191  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Knife for Self Defense on: June 14, 2008, 05:47:49 PM
Your words about traveling being safer than home brought back memories of the trips I've taken around the world, mostly South and South East Asia. People always ask "where's the most dangerous place you've been?", so I'd tell that that I LIVE in the most dangerous place I've ever been (Oakland, CA)!
Anyway, you probably read in the other thread that I tend to always have a blade on me because I work in the trades, so it's already there for self defense if need be. Otherwise, would I carry one? Not sure, I guess it would depend on the situation.
I have never had to worry about where my gun is over coffee and cake so I have no comment there, but I think it is an interesting balance you talk about between expecting danger at any moment, and not thinking it will ever happen .... how do you live a relaxed and happy life and at the same time keep prepared for the unexpected?

192  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Knife for Self Defense on: June 14, 2008, 10:41:50 AM
Thanks for the reply - some good points there.
Did you get a chance to read the 'karambit vs straight blade' thread? Some of the points you bring up appear there also.
I am about 5'6" and 145lb so most of my training partners are taller and out weigh me, and I have noticed that nothing levels the playing field like a blade. With anything else, the temptation to crash in is too large and then I am at a marked disadvantage for striking, clinching and choking. Even a baston is not perceived as a big threat, but a blade can cause enough hesitation to buy enough time to do what I need to do to get away/ dissuade the attack etc.
However, I would say that I really like the cane for self defense when all is said and done, and as I age intend to focus on this more!!
I also believe that accuracy and targeting are key for both blade and stick usage. That "lack of impact/feeling" you talk about is a problem with impact weapons also. A training partner of mine who is a cop talked of trying to subdue a 300lb crazy guy wielding a large knife. No one could close on him and nothing they threw at him, taser etc had any effect until some one aimed at his foot. He was wearing sandals and the hit he took to his toe was what finally brought him down!
My life is really not that dangerous so I don't walk around expecting 'evil doers' around every corner, however I do know that these things happen in any large, urban center so it is something I keep in the back of my mind. As to "cutting one of these people", well it's not top of my list of things to do, but for the reasons I have said, I would draw if I needed to. Perhaps that would be enough, perhaps not, but I would hope that enough of my training would come out that no body would end up dead.
I know my teacher avoided fighting on more than one occasion by flashing a blade, smiling, and saying something to the effect  "where have you been all my life.."!! (Breaking the OODA loop?)

The Donnie yen clip is in the "movie fights" thread. Very enjoyable.I particularly like the poke to the armpit (advantage of a longer weapon).
193  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Knife for Self Defense on: June 13, 2008, 05:39:09 PM
You said: ."..but I doubt there are too many people who would want to go against a metal baton with a knife".
I wouldn't be too sure.
Having the advantage of length, even a 4" blade vs a 2"blade, can be an advantage, but honestly the person with the better ability and will to close gains a much bigger advantage, regardless of weapon.
Also, controlling the weapon hand is not always that easy to pull off and in any case, if the attacker has a blade, the chances of getting cut are high whichever way you look at it.

It seems the scenario you are thinking about is one where the weapon is drawn and seen from a distance, so again why not more thought about the psychological effect of the blade as defense? The assumption that the blade is only good for lethal force IMHO is extremely limiting. Obviously this is one option, but there is so much more to it.
If your attacker is gracious enough to threaten you from a distance with a blade (as opposed to you getting shanked without seeing it coming), what is the motivation? Robbery? Escalation of a fight? What? And how would the dynamic change if you pulled a weapon of your own? A baton? A knife? You said that what you are after when confronted by a knife is distance. Getting them to back off would also be one way to achieve that, and I think that a blade can have a wonderful focusing effect.

Also, if someone twice my size, crazy/drunk/high came at me threatening harm verbally or otherwise, empty hands or no, I think I would be happy to have a blade and believe myself justified in drawing it.

@Maxx - Apparently the Vikings had a saying- "Don't run, you'll only die tired!!" This may be bull, but it made me laugh! grin
194  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Knife for Self Defense on: June 12, 2008, 05:05:46 PM
David, you said: 'This may sound crazy, but even against a knife I generally prefer empty hands over knife'.
.....You are indeed crazy shocked.
For me, confronted with a knife, running away - excellent, own knife - good, a longer knife - better, 2 weapons - wonderful, any longer weapon, impact or otherwise - great, but give me a chair or a handful of rocks or something rather than CHOOSE to be empty handed against a blade.
Question: Why do you need your hands to be empty?
May I also recommend the "Karambit vs Straight Blades" thread:

195  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Humor on: June 04, 2008, 05:56:22 PM
That's hilarious!!!!
196  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: home made equipment on: June 04, 2008, 05:53:01 PM
 ...somewhere ....
197  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: home made equipment on: June 03, 2008, 08:25:00 PM
Hi Tony,
Yes, we have one similar to the one in the clip - one about shoulder height and one about knee height, but we have blades on the ends evil cheesy Hit one end and the other comes around and hits you! Sonny called it "the frustrater"!
198  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Karambit Vs. straight blades on: June 03, 2008, 08:18:52 PM
As you say, training for a war is not the same as training for day to day life. Even within traditional martial arts it's interesting to see the difference in focus between military and non military arts  (in a historical context). I would be interested to see in the future how your 'civilian' curriculum changes from the 'combat' curriculum.
I am also interested in the thoughts that you have regarding the eventual return of trained fighters into a civilian society, but I know these are off topic.....
199  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: home made equipment on: June 02, 2008, 05:45:28 PM
Here's the link

The Pendulum Ball:

This is the most basic version of pendulum we use in our system - i.e. ball on a string, for practicing sikaran. There are many others of various configurations and combinations of fiberglass rod, elastic tubing, softballs, duct tape and machetes that we use to  train.
200  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Karambit Vs. straight blades on: May 30, 2008, 08:47:15 AM
There are many books about dueling out there, these are the ones I read:
Gentlemen's Blood: A History of Dueling by Barbara Holland

By the Sword: A History of Gladiators, Musketeers, Samurai, Swashbucklers, and Olympic Champions  by Richard Cohen

There are also many books written about dueling technique that are fascinating, the ones listed above are more about the history.
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