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1  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: We teach our kids to be passive victims, the enemy teaches their children th on: April 23, 2007, 08:32:35 AM
I don't think it is fair to say we teach our children to be passive victims. We still produce enough fighters with intrest to fill the ranks of the armed forces.

We have a fairly peaceful and free society and I don't think we need to become aggressive to combat the terrorists.

There are whole lists of things we need to do better first, like fix our diets, our enviroment, our religion, our government, our drinking problem... almost everything is wrong.

How do you plan on over coming islmaic terrorists with a diet change? Maybe you would prefer us to eat halal food, that should offend the jihadis less.

Now that I look at it, those points you just pointed out are some of the exact same ones the terrorists want us to change:

Diet- halal
religion- islam
government- sharia
drinking problem- sharia again

Think I'll go have some baby back ribs and beer for lunch, and make sure and pray to G-d thanking him for the meal.
2  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: MMA Thread on: April 22, 2007, 10:23:15 AM
Cro Cop's knockout was the shocker of the night I think. I hope his leg didn't get jacked up too bad from that fall.
3  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: MMA Disqualifications in California on: April 20, 2007, 12:10:33 PM
It is not so much how they look immediately after the fight, a lot of times it's how they look  2 or even 3 days later. How many here have woken up 2 days after a sparring match and found a massive bruise and went "where the hell did that come from." Right after a fight, blood is still pumping and adrenaline is flowing like crazy, you are less likely to show the effects of a fight. Ever notice that people's faces tend to bruise and swell up in between round instead of in the middle of the match? Thats partly because they are calming down and the wounds have a chance to show.

As far as the kicking thing, I've seen people who couldn't kick worth a damn, and I've also seen people who could take a soccer kick to the forehead and not flinch, so either of those could explain why the guy was still standing. I also point again to the adrenaline, it can keep you fighting longer than one expects.
4  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Philippines on: April 19, 2007, 10:37:39 PM
The religion of piece (of your head) strikes again...

http://in.news.yahoo.com/070419/137/6erfs.html

JOLO, Philippines (Reuters) - Muslim extremists decapitated seven men they were holding hostage on the southern Philippine island of Jolo and sent the heads in sacks to two army detachments, the military said on Thursday.

"This is a terrorist act that should be condemned by all," Major-General Ruben Rafael, commander of military forces on Jolo, said.

Earlier, Rafael said his soldiers had discovered the headless bodies of six men close to Parang town, where they had been kidnapped on Monday by the Abu Sayyaf, the Philippines' deadliest Muslim rebel group.

A seventh man was kidnapped in the area earlier that day.

Rafael said Abu Sayyaf may have beheaded the men in retaliation for the military killing over 70 of its members, including two top leaders, in an eight-month ground offensive backed by U.S. advisers and equipment.

The Abu Sayyaf gained international notoriety around five years ago when they captured and beheaded tourists and church workers, and its members still kidnap people for ransom to raise funds. They decapitated the son of a wealthy trader last year.

This week, the group had demanded a 5 million peso ($105,000) payment for the release of six of the men, who were working on a government road project and taken at gunpoint from their truck.

The Philippines has poured over 8,000 troops onto Jolo to flush out the Abu Sayyaf and members of regional terrorist network Jemaah Islamiah who use the island's remote mountains to train and plot.

The Abu Sayyaf, with an estimated force of around 400 fighters, carried out the Philippines' worst terrorist attack, the bombing of a ferry near Manila in 2004 that killed over 100 people.
5  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Virginia Tech Shooting... on: April 18, 2007, 08:52:47 PM
The thought of an armed citizen might not deter him, but an armed citizen shooting him until he no longer presents a threat would work.



I second that.
6  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Virginia Tech Shooting... on: April 18, 2007, 03:03:25 PM
Granted training does not always equal proficiency under stress, the belief by the "bad guy" that someone else has a gun is usually a very good deterent.

As far as how we go about preparing our society for such attack, I wish I knew. The magic word would be education, but there are far to many people that have the belief that we can all just put down our guns and hug and the world's problems will go away. I would love nothing more than for that tactic to work, but sadly it is not a reality now, nor has it ever been.

You are correct in that we live in a relatively safe country, while in the back of our minds we know an attack may be imminent we do not prepare because we say it cannot happen to us. We said that on September 10, 2001 and after a short period in which we were better prepared most have reverted back. Today we and many others discuss what we can do to prevent this from occuring again. Sadly though this too will pass and most will go back to worrying about what Paris Hilton is doing today rather than if their children are safe.

Politics are the name of the game, until it becomes financially and politically lucrative to be secure and prepared, chances are it won't happen.


 
7  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Virginia Tech Shooting... on: April 18, 2007, 01:52:00 PM
The people that have concealed carry permits tend to be the more well trained individuals. I know here in Texas one must certify to get the permit, not just pay a fee.

Yes the guy is a sociapath, but even the suicide bombers in Israel have been detered by the fact that teachers are armed. And I can't think of anyone more out of their mind than a suicide bomber.
8  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Virginia Tech Shooting... on: April 18, 2007, 12:42:15 PM
http://johnrlott.tripod.com/op-eds/BritainToyGunsWSJE.html

Worried that even showing a starting pistol in a car ad might encourage gun crime in Britain, the British communications regulator has banned a Ford Motor Co. television spot because in it a woman is pictured holding such a "weapon." According to a report by Bloomberg News, the ad was said by regulators to "normalize" the use of guns and "must not be shown again."

What's next? Toy guns? Actually, the British government this year has been debating whether to ban toy guns. As a middle course, some unspecified number of imitation guns will be banned, and it will be illegal to take imitation guns into public places.

And in July a new debate erupted over whether those who own shotguns must now justify their continued ownership to the government before they will get a license.

The irony is that after gun laws are passed and crime rises, no one asks whether the original laws actually accomplished their purpose. Instead, it is automatically assumed that the only "problem" with past laws was they didn't go far enough. But now what is there left to do? Perhaps the country can follow Australia's recent lead and ban ceremonial swords.

Despite the attention that imitation weapons are getting, they account for a miniscule fraction of all violent crime (0.02%) and in recent years only about 6% of firearms offenses. But with crime so serious, Labor needs to be seen as doing something. The government recently reported that gun crime in England and Wales nearly doubled in the four years from 1998-99 to 2002-03.

Crime was not supposed to rise after handguns were banned in 1997. Yet, since 1996 the serious violent crime rate has soared by 69%: robbery is up by 45% and murders up by 54%. Before the law, armed robberies had fallen by 50% from 1993 to 1997, but as soon as handguns were banned the robbery rate shot back up, almost back to their 1993 levels.

The 2000 International Crime Victimization Survey, the last survey done, shows the violent-crime rate in England and Wales was twice the rate in the U.S. When the new survey for 2004 comes out, that gap will undoubtedly have widened even further as crimes reported to British police have since soared by 35%, while declining 6% in the U.S.

The high crime rates have so strained resources that 29% of the time in London it takes police longer than 12 minutes to arrive at the scene. No wonder police nearly always arrive on the crime scene after the crime has been committed.

As understandable as the desire to "do something" is, Britain seems to have already banned most weapons that can help commit a crime. Yet, it is hard to see how the latest proposals will accomplish anything.

• Banning guns that fire blanks and some imitation guns. Even if guns that fire blanks are converted to fire bullets, they would be lucky to fire one or two bullets and most likely pose more danger to the shooter than the victim. Rather than replace the barrel and the breach, it probably makes more sense to simply build a new gun.

  • Making it very difficult to get a license for a shotgun and banning those under 18 from using shotguns also adds little. Ignoring the fact that shotguns make excellent self-defense weapons, they are so rarely used in crime, that the Home Office's report doesn't even provide a breakdown of crimes committed with shotguns.

  Britain is not alone in its experience with banning guns. Australia has also seen its violent crime rates soar to rates similar to Britain's after its 1996 Port Arthur gun control measures. Violent crime rates averaged 32% higher in the six years after the law was passed (from 1997 to 2002) than they did the year before the law in 1995. The same comparisons for armed robbery rates showed increases of 74%.

During the 1990s, just as Britain and Australia were more severely regulating guns, the U.S. was greatly liberalizing individuals' abilities to carry guns. Thirty-seven of the 50 states now have so-called right-to-carry laws that let law-abiding adults carry concealed handguns once they pass a criminal background check and pay a fee. Only half the states require some training, usually around three to five hours' worth. Yet crime has fallen even faster in these states than the national average. Overall, the states in the U.S. that have experienced the fastest growth rates in gun ownership during the 1990s have experienced the biggest drops in murder rates and other violent crimes.

Many things affect crime; the rise of drug-gang violence in Britain is an important part of the story, just as it has long been important in explaining the U.S.'s rates. Drug gangs also help explain one of the many reasons it is so difficult to stop the flow of guns into a country. Drug gangs can't simply call up the police when another gang encroaches on their turf, so they end up essentially setting up their own armies. And just as they can smuggle drugs into the country, they can smuggle in weapons to defend their turf.

Everyone wants to take guns away from criminals. The problem is that if the law-abiding citizens obey the law and the criminals don't, the rules create sitting ducks who cannot defend themselves. This is especially true for those who are physically weaker, women and the elderly.

9  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Virginia Tech Shooting... on: April 18, 2007, 12:21:15 PM
I'm guessing he most likely did since he has been here since the 90's.

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He came to the United States from South Korea in 1992 with his parents when he was eight years old. 

http://www.voanews.com/english/2007-04-18-voa22.cfm
10  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Virginia Tech Shooting... on: April 18, 2007, 12:14:29 PM
In the nanny state of England, where guns are banned, they have seen an increase in recent years.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2656875.stm

Though last year saw a drop in traditional robberies (banks and other big hits) using guns. Home invasions using guns rose there.

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/homeaffairs/story/0,,1999066,00.html

Even more info here

http://www.bloggernews.net/14139 (Pop-up warning)


Edit: commas are my friends...
11  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Virginia Tech Shooting... on: April 18, 2007, 11:55:33 AM
Deterring crime is the best solution. Concealed carry permits deter violent crimes more than handgun bans. Compare Washingto DC to say Austin Texas.
12  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Parkour on: April 18, 2007, 11:44:58 AM
The rolling and slapping on the ground after you land are to diffuse the energy of the impact. I believe they teach similar techniques for Aikido.

http://www.urbanfreeflow.com/ Here is the site where I learned what limited knowledge I have of freerunning and parkour.
13  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Virginia Tech Shooting... on: April 18, 2007, 11:36:25 AM

Sure, probably because he would prefer to sweep this under the rug ASAP.  His sympathy with the pro-gun lobby is no secret, and it's hard to imagine any serious discussion of this incident not going down that road eventually.

I've seen much mention of the fact that the shooter was here on a student visa.  Should immigrants (non-US citizens) be allowed to purchase guns here?

The truth is gun control does not work. Those who want guns, will attain them. How many guns recovered from violent crimes were actually being used by the person who bought and registered the gun legally. My guess is pretty low compared to the ones aquired illegally. 2nd amendment is there for a reason.

As far as non-citizens attaining weapons, I'm split on the subject. I know my inlaws (non-citizens) I would trust with my life with a gun, others not so much. What I believe for certain is that if someone on that campus had been armed besides the rentacops I doubt we would be discussing the 32 dead.
14  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Virginia Tech Shooting... on: April 18, 2007, 11:04:51 AM
If he didn't enjoy effective immunity from the consequences of his policies, it might occur to him that the above could just as easily be said about the masses of dead Iraqis.

The same could be said about just about every politician in Washington, past present and future, on both sides of the aisle. I should also add he isn't using this event as a campaign speech like others are.
15  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: MMA Disqualifications in California on: April 16, 2007, 09:30:33 PM
Sorry, I don't understand.

How is a cartwheel guard pass grounds for disqualification?

It's a real technique and, in certain, quirky situations, it's a good choice for passing guard (though I prefer a more conservative approach).

Oh- qualifications for making this claim - ca. 5 years Judo/BJJ/Sub. Wrestling.  I'm no expert, but I've seen and used (not very well) the move before.

My guess would be a lack of education in MMA on the part of the CSAC. Also guessing they had never heard of Capoeira. What it boiled down to was the belief by the CSAC that the theatrics of the cartwheel was evidence of a staged fight.
16  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Virginia Tech Shooting... on: April 16, 2007, 02:17:31 PM
My thoughts and prayers with the victims. I do believe this is evidence of why we must be prepared at all times.

Here is something that is of some relevance

Gun Bill Gets Shot Down

Up to date info and commentary at Michelle Malkin
17  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / MMA Disqualifications in California on: April 15, 2007, 03:11:37 PM
Per Crafty's Request:

This is relating to Brian Ebersole's suspension stemming from the use of a cartwheel in a fight.

http://www.mmaontap.com/mma/category/Brian-Ebersole/
The California State Athletic Commission has announced that Shannon “The Cannon” Ritch and Brian Ebersole have both been suspended indefinitely after their fight this past weekend.

The CSAC believed that their fight was “worked” as they barely engaged and they could be seen talking while on the ground. Eventually Ritch tapped and Ebersole was declared the winner but the fight was quickly ruled a no contest and both fighters were suspended immediately.

http://mmacalifornia.net/index.php?cat=16
MMA California adds: a string of suspensions by Armando Garcia’s CSAC that has MMA insiders shaking their heads. Previous suspensions include Brian Ebersole for doing a cartwheel in his fight against Shannon Ritch last September (he got an ‘indefinite’ suspension) and Josh Thomson for wearing a “Frank Glamrock is my bitch” t-shirt (he got an ‘indefinite’ or six-month suspension from it). Ebersole is not listed on Frank Shamrock’s IFL team for competition in 2007.
18  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: 300 on: April 15, 2007, 01:40:36 PM
I know after watching 300 I just wanted to go work out.  grin
19  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Parkour on: April 15, 2007, 01:39:07 PM
I don't understand why they would suspend him.  What was the logic?

CSAC believed it to be a fixed fight based on the cartwheel as well as other things.

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The California State Athletic Commission has announced that Shannon “The Cannon” Ritch and Brian Ebersole have both been suspended indefinitely after their fight this past weekend.

The CSAC believed that their fight was “worked” as they barely engaged and they could be seen talking while on the ground. Eventually Ritch tapped and Ebersole was declared the winner but the fight was quickly ruled a no contest and both fighters were suspended immediately.

http://www.mmaontap.com/mma/category/Brian-Ebersole/

I've read on a several sites that CSAC has been suspending a lot of fighters.

http://mmacalifornia.net/index.php?cat=16

Sorry to creep on the original topic.
20  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Parkour on: April 15, 2007, 11:40:46 AM
Awesome.  Clip anyone?

Could be a Capoeira influence , , ,

It was Brian Ebersole. He was suspended by the California State Athletic Commission for doing it.
21  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Open Letter to Muslims, Liberals, Democrats, et al on: April 15, 2007, 11:27:16 AM
The battles between Islam and the west are not a new thing. More specifically the US has been battling Islam since the earliest days of our country. We fought 2 wars against the Barbary Coast Pirates in the early 1800s.

The Barbary Coast demanded a tribute be paid to them in exchange for allowing the non-muslim ships into their harbors. This would be the practice of dhimmi whereas non-muslims pay (jizya) to muslims for the right to live. (see Sura 9:29)

Our struggle with Islam has been an over 200 year long struggle for our freedom, not just for religion.
22  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Parkour on: April 13, 2007, 10:05:44 PM
More popular in Europe. Seems to becoming popular in movies too.
23  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Open Letter to Muslims, Liberals, Democrats, et al on: April 13, 2007, 12:04:29 AM
Also should add, I was simply posting the link as a reference to what Cranwings had said. Also it was picked up by US media. It made the front page of the San Francisco Chronicle. Granted it is one of, if not the, most liberal newspaper in the country, it still shows that someone in this country took it seriously.
24  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Open Letter to Muslims, Liberals, Democrats, et al on: April 12, 2007, 11:47:41 PM
Sorry, I was just posting the news article that contained them. The fact that they weren't big news here made me think they were most likely false. Not to mention it was awhile back that those comments were supposedly made, I had almost forgotten about them.
25  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Open Letter to Muslims, Liberals, Democrats, et al on: April 12, 2007, 11:06:22 PM
Found it!

"G-d told me to invade Iraq"

 President George Bush has claimed he was told by G-d to invade Iraq and attack Osama bin Laden's stronghold of Afghanistan as part of a divine mission to bring peace to the Middle East, security for Israel, and a state for the Palestinians.

The President made the assertion during his first meeting with Palestinian leaders in June 2003, according to a BBC series which will be broadcast this month.

The revelation comes after Mr Bush launched an impassioned attack yesterday in Washington on Islamic militants, likening their ideology to that of Communism, and accusing them of seeking to "enslave whole nations" and set up a radical Islamic empire "that spans from Spain to Indonesia". In the programmeElusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs, which starts on Monday, the former Palestinian foreign minister Nabil Shaath says Mr Bush told him and Mahmoud Abbas, former prime minister and now Palestinian President: "I'm driven with a mission from G-d. G-d would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then G-d would tell me, 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did."

And "now again", Mr Bush is quoted as telling the two, "I feel G-d's words coming to me: 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.' And by G-d, I'm gonna do it."

Source
26  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Open Letter to Muslims, Liberals, Democrats, et al on: April 12, 2007, 10:13:51 PM
I believe he is alluding to some comments made by the President some time back. I forget the exact phrase said, but I do remember that it set off a lot of non-Christians.
27  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Open Letter to Muslims, Liberals, Democrats, et al on: April 12, 2007, 12:16:46 AM
Hate this to be my first post here but just thought I would add that Iran's president Ahmadinejad believes that his actions will lead to the return of the 12th Imam. This is highlighted in this article from the Telegraph in the UK.

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