me2 we should stand behind him and tactilly cover his back

in a tight spot like an elevator or room the knife in my opinion wins, if the terrain allows good footwork then possibly the bat.

the tournament was a good expereince. the host GM Tyronne Tadashi put a lot of work and effort in and it showed, thank you. He was resourceful and though no one else had electrical power for 5 - 30hours brought in generators as the show must go on.

special thanks to Dogzilla, thaiTom, Robert808 along with the other bros. Dogzilla thanks for giving me the tools to put it together. Also all of the DBMA dvds i got from DB came in handy. i used a piece of each, and my own spin on one or two. 
I highly recommend all of them, my favorites are Footwork(series1), Cycle drills and Los triques. the terms scrambled eggs, smash the bug, and yanking the chain are classic.

now that's enough of those rules smules. there was a rule for everything- omg.  felt like kindegarden.


on the earthquake, everything was fine for me, be sure you guys got your bug out gear-never no when people are deprived of the necessities they get crazy as in Katrina or LA.

Crafty,
a friend was showing me the exercise you do of taking a 25# or so holding it at about eye level then rotating it around your head. It really seems to work the shoulders through a wide range of motion and feels really effective. The clubell guys do a similar thing with the clubs, they call it 'hammer swing'

Very nice all around.

I laughed at the teste check on the dude and then the dog dominantly turned his back and acted asleep. really funny.

I also liked the corrective escalating force starting very low in response to negative behavior, sometimes a kind gentle reminder is needed, and sometimes it needs more.just like kids and your subordinates.
The mention of the hip check reminds me that dominant dogs or people will try to occupy the space you're in, so for the non dog people that dog that always trys to lean on you is trying to dominate you in his mind.

Ryan, i saw a really nice comment by Cesar Milano the dog whisperer one night...  :mrgreen:he told this couple to teach their child how to interact with animals. Going on to say the child first should learn to observe the animal, not the typical rush up to them and get in it's face excitably. This serves several purposes, first the child learns to first check out the dog(animal), second it doesn't overwhelm the animal which in some may ellicit a nervous response like a bite, third it teaches the dog that the human is the dominant one cause they are nonchalant. I thought this was really good advice and also suggest a person/child first give their fist to the dog when reaching to pet it, instead of an open hand which if the dog bites is more likely to lose/mangle a finger.

disclaimer i am no way a guru in this but

for me that DEPENDS on the dog and the action he did.
if he just doesn't listen to commands then more leash work could be needed. both positive inducive type work with praise and bait, and compulsive type work eventually to get the snap to type obedience if that is what you need. don't lean to much on either way as the best for a house pet is a combo. Once the dog is trained in basic obediance, an obediance leash session 1-2x a wek for 5minutes goes a long way. Dogs love walks, it really bonds your dog to you, walking with your dog on leash is different than obediance work, i suggest first walking the dog with him behaving, then later let him smell as you walk... but first things first. 

i believe a lot can be gained by continually making a dog wait in a down or sit for it's food. this reinforces leadership and you are the source of his food. also continue to pet the dog and once in awhile take his food mid meal.

for a HARD dog bred from hard and european titled stock - if the dog "attacked(bite/snap/snarl) me challenging me for authority i would grab it by the choker which is on 24/7 and choke it to near unconciousness by lifting it up by holding the chain as i twist it. Bystanders would think i'm crazy and don't know what i'm doing but rott is not a sheperd and a sheperd is not a collie. etc.  Different dogs may just need a sharp NO, while others close your hand on it's muzzle and a hard shove with a NO.

My rott challenged me every 4-6months or so(i do not regard him as HARD), in my mind i just had to know that if it came down to it, i would never back down from that dog and how i would take it out if it came to me or him. Not that i didn't love him, it's just the way it is.

BUT, much control is gained through positive work and obedience on leash.

Ryan i actually was thinking about the ad test today, do you use those dog shoes when you do long runs or midday work?

nice points Gruhn,
the crate is a very good idea, especially with a big mt dog. also i really believe in kennels, there are times when a dog cannot stay in the crate for extended periods.

i actually wrote something on my earlier post on dog interactions,  i'll summarize- Dean Calderon who many regard to be one of the top3 schutzhund trainers worldwide said if he has a puppy he will take it to play with other puppies, he will allow his pup to dominate the others... reasons it builds confidence, doubly so if your dog is a pup and is alpha to a much larger dog or pup. imho only a confidant dog will effectively stop a man when it comes to a physical fight. if your dog is dominated by another i would remove your dog immediately before loosing becomes a habit, same with anything it avoids or is fearful of, never let the young dog experience lasting fear, quickly change it's train of thought through distraction and removal if necessary.

Crafty, funny stories... pinned by the testicles.

there's a lot of good training advice out there, just becareful there's a lot of bad stuff too. i like the 'monks of of new skete'.

Dogs and humans view the world as a hierarchy, so it's best to use it and be consistant across the board this way the dog understands the world. Inconsistancy is where problems are created.

The dog should always view you as his alpha, but one should not be so overbearing that he runs behind you when a stranger approaches or at the sign of a threat. The key is that your dog is well socialized, but highly confidant and depending on your reason for a dog highly alpha. I would reinforce your alpha qualities to the dog subtley, primarily by being the sole person who feeds or gives him snacks.... which is huge to dogs. Non alphas typically believe the way to show one's alphaness is to be ruff, bully, etc.. the key is to have a calm demeanor and non reactive to insignificant things.

The other point i liked is how Crafty was the alpha to his backyardgroup which reinforced this idea to his dog.

if your dog is in avoidance of something ignore it and quickly change your dogs attention to something it enjoys so as not to create problems down the road such as phobias.

personally i wouldn't want my dog to see me grappling or sparring, the dog may learn the distinction that it is 'play' but in my mind it may learn never to turn it's defensive nature of its pack or itself on. ymmv depending on breed, genetics, training and environment. part of this reason is that training a dog to stop a man begins as a game, and any attack on the handler(owner) the dog should be acting which means anything from barking to stopping. if you are sparring and you want the dog to be calm and cruise this goes against it's desire to protect you, if you consisitatnly teach it to not defend you, it will be more likely it will not do it at the right time.

in no way am i saying to do all kinds of crazy stuff to your dog so it becomes a killer, but having a broad socializtion and confidence in a dog goes a long way.  they now have the show the dog whisperer on tv, he has a lot of great tips and excellent philospohy.

Just wanted to give my shout out- howl of RESPECT for those fateful Americans who perished on this day. Those on ground zero your courage inspires me. Those on flight 93 for your self sacrifice i salute you.


To those who mean to do harm to the innocent and take from me or mine... the colors red, white and blue don't run.



Respect brothers. i will never forget.

member of the unorganized militia...

Respect.
rip Maestro.

great news...

hi i've been following this thread for some time. Bjung, is there a place a foreigner can go in thailand to train kk?

wow can't wait to see that one myself.

Robert, i've seen the straight blast, type move work with sinawali and smaksticks. not sure if you were referring to switching?

haha.
so that means solo drills and long showers with extra soap will help.   

very interesting thread.
lefty here. i find the above in my case spot on. unofortunatelly i am still trying to make my orthodox stance in boxing/kickboxing as efficient as my southpaw.

thai70 hi, hope to see you this saturday along with everyone else. no i will not let you go righty either.

if you carry a folder which one(s) and your choice(place) of carry?

i've been using a couple of things from the kali tudo tape in sparring for the last couple of months, last night i was really able to make the diamond and false lead work awesomely with a few custom follow ups.

hi Robert808.
i hope to train with you soon.

respect

Crafty,
nice, i think that should be made a sticky if it has not been.

i always love watching that clip. he's so funny. i like how he uses his environment. nice knife clip.

about the previous story. it's always sad to lose a good dog, many could relate it to the loss of a family member.

saddly stories like these reinforce in my mind the reason to carry a sidearm or atleast a blade in rural areas for four and two footed predators.

looks great. i can't wait to get it and practice.
i loved the part of the short clip showing the students attempting to deal with the knife before they were introduced to the dog catcher. naturally they ate a lot of simulated punctures and cuts. the other part i liked was when the student attempted to draw his pistol while under attack and having difficulty retaining it.

scenarios, sparring and the combination of the two go to reinforce realistic training.

interesting. thanks.

what's the length of the round?
i believe it used to be 90sec...
some people i know say it has gone up to 120sec...

thank you.

bro thanks mucho for all the effort to document your stuff and posting here and on youtube.

With the popularity of video games in todays culture i would love for there to be a DOG BROs video game that focuses on stickfighting. I just love games like fightnight rd3 a very realistic boxing game.

video game title "DOG BROS... stickfighting...talk the talk walk the walk. "

you could have a lot of the well known dogs. Top, Crafty, Arlan, Lonely,  Dogzilla, Surf,... etc.
the differences in style and attributes could make it very interesting. Arlan with his kicks, Top with his backhand, Lonely with his speed, Dogzilla with his power, ...

you could play as a dog, unlock higher level dogs, or you could campaign and customize aor develop a fighter. bring him from outisder, to candidate, to dog, to guru, to teacher, ... a way to do it would be to have so many total hit points(think dungeons and dragons) then you choose body type, face, weight, race, eyes, etc. then you decide on how many points you want to give for speed, agility, power, etc.

with each fight he could gain attribtes like speed, agility, power, etc. inbetween fights he could decide between what type of training he wants to focus on. power. speed. footwork. etc. by weightlifting, cone drills, sprints, bagwork, etc.

aor he could develop his special- knee attack, sticks and kicks, attacking block, footattack, etc.

different types of bouts could be a possibilty. deathmatch. fight. smak sticks. staff vs stick. etc.
different environments as well. mountains. sandy beach. park. raw gym. pier. alley. hallway. weather could be a factor as well. snow. rain. mud.

the ability to earn money by taking bouts and winning could make buying equipment a possiblity. like better sticks. shoes. helmet. these new equipment could make the fighter gain in a specific attribute, like shoes-agility, stick-power, helmet-damge reduction, etc. cosmetic things like tattooos, jewelry, etc.
 
alternative views and replays would make it awesome. killer music. fighter entry music. crowd participation. etc.

please tell me guys what you think of this idea. ?

that sounds like the seminar was great. i wish i could have been there. the german would have me lost though.

wow i love that poem. i will read it daily. good meditation

Tom,
excellent response, thanks. would you have some direct links for lifts you use?
right now i just want to work them into my current routine. more of prehab stuff to increae mobility and usable range/strength. i am looking at sonnons site and archives, but so far have only come up with circles in front of the body going both out to in and in to out(anterior to medial...medial to laterally).
i am thinking of doing one around the head as if transitioning from a roof/wing block to a forehand type movement.
i also like the mobility stuff he uses, personally i have like a lot of people lost mobility thru the years especially from lifting heavy weights. i want to gain some of that functional mobility back as it looks awesome for usage in a ground game along with longevity. i am not a sonnon convert but his stuff looks good for my purpose as part of my toolbox.

anyone use clubells? or similar?

i was thinking of making my own and doing some of the movements in the video clips. and or using a 10lbs plate and swing it in a circular type motions as in the clips.

Woof...
people what are your ways of conditioning the body especially the shoulders(rotator cuff) for working with sticks? as well as forearms, grip, etc...

do heavier sticks help much in this regard? or do they just throw your timing off? clubells? rotator cuff work? elastic bands? weights?

i have been an avid weight lifter like many, but the frequent high repetition of the stick and weights combined sure taxes my rotator cuff.

a few more variables are type of pistol. and caliber as well as load.
stance and hold of pistol. if the pistol holder retained the pistol closer to his body as the opponent closed this can be crucial.
a powerful load would make follow up shots harder but hits more effective. .357mag and .45 would be my choice. smaller calibers would be less desired though special loads like fed hydrashoks and such could make a difference.

imho i would still side with the knife. my options for the knifer may include to his face and possibly his weapon hand, as well as slashes to the neck, weapon arm, armpit, etc.

pistol holders options include dropping to the ground to his back, retaining pistol close to body as he closes, possibly sacrificing his legs to make space for a cleaner shot.

i also believe both will recieve wounds. possibly both mortal.

thai70 ygm

what are some general principles in analyzing and dissecting various fighters styles? also what kind of personal styles are there with stick fighting?

for example in boxing, the guidelines are you usually don't brawl a brawler. you box him. using your slick footwork, angles, in, out, keeping the range.


to fight a guy who does a crash cover to close the distance i have been trying to use the sidestep and lateral movement, even a shove to off balance them aor to zone out aor attack. so sidestep forehand or sidestep backhand.

Top dog nice insight.
i have seen boxing coaches do this as well as protection dog trainers. take a green guy and put the pressure on(of course being careful not to break him).  interesting how you have applied it to the stick, what they want to see is how the student is made, basically genetics, heart, reaction time, style, agility, warrior spirit.  all with a minimum to no training.

his set of videos was the first i had on bjj. i used to use his stuff to tap the other newbs. lol, then i'd get trashed by the blues-browns.

how did he actually die.?


rip man.

lol wow.

lots of that SS stuff and a bunch of other stuff is surfacing up a lot on the web nowdays.

like anything it takes practice and some targets are easier than others. unless they got the B..ch shield up permannaetly.

palmreading definately is great kino with a girl. most girls are susceptible to that mystic destiny stuff about love and link it to fairy tales. even if they aren't into the former, the novelty of it intrigues them. easy way to go from holding there hand, to at a later time something more intimate.

another thing is by linking what you see in them and to their palm to emotions and goals hits major psychological triggers, do so positively only.

anyone else on this board into this high performance stuff?

i would love to hear some ideas as well.

awhile back i have seen in some ma mag a guy made a dummy out of tires. it had a head, body and lower leg. i dobut you have a place to store such a thing but for others out there they may enjoy having one in their backyard. i am sure a 4x4 post planted in the ground would work well. along with bolting  a few various sized tires on it.
another excellent feature someone mentioned to me is painting the angles on the tire. i am not sure if this was a burmese or thai source. it was for kicking a banana bag, but the same concept would work well with weapons. it would ingrain neural efficiency.
a wooden dummy is always another option, i know datu worden sells a padded one that bolts to the wall for about $500, it looks really rugged and i am sure would be awesome for weapons and unarmed practice.
i also saw on tv a long time ago some arnis practitioners hanging stuff from a tree on a string and those were used like a light bag in shadow boxing
getting a piece of chalk and mapping out footwork aor triangles works well.

nice post

Hey guys.
first post here. i would highly be interested in this. ygm @thai70.

i am in the Kalihi area, so this would be great. any info on any Hawaiian stick clubs or groups would be wonderful.