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51  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Six year old hero on: August 21, 2008, 02:35:37 PM
Not exactly defense, but certainly heroic:

FAYETTEVILLE, Ga. -- Adults didn't see a drowning 5-year-old, but his 6-year-old friend did.Haden Stusak, 6, of Fayetteville is being called a hero after he dived into a pool to investigate a shadow on the bottom that turned out to be his friend.Josiah Buddah, 5, and Haden are buddies. Haden is a good swimmer, but Josiah can't swim without his water wings.On Sunday, Josiah took off his water wings and sank to the bottom of the deep end."I was scared, I was scared," said Josiah.An adult spotted a shadow in the pool, but couldn't get to it. No one knew the shadow was Josiah. But Haden got curious and dove down to investigate. He had been practicing diving to the bottom. When he discovered Josiah, he grabbed him and pulled him to the surface.VIDEO: 6-Year-Old Saves 5-Year-Old Friend From Drowning
"Well, I grabbed him like that; he was like unconscious. I grabbed him and I was swimming like this," said Haden."He jumped inside the water; he helped me get back up," said Josiah.Two nurses and doctor started CPR."They took me to the hospital," said Josiah. "I was dead and couldn't breathe."It all happened in seconds."I could have been burying my baby this week, so just to know that he's here, No. 1, is amazing, because to see your child lifeless for a few minutes, you think it's over," said Josiah's mother, Judith Buddha."So I called 'Help, help, he drowned,'" said Haden.Haden's parents told Channel 2 they ask him not to talk so loudly and to keep his voice down. This is one time they're glad they heard his screams.Josiah is doing well and is now swimming with a float suit. He will start lessons in a couple of weeks.And in true hero fashion, Haden says what he did was no big deal."We're friends. That's what friends do," said Haden.

Thank goodness that kid is alive.
I want to point out, where were the parents or adult supervision the whole time?
You don't let 5 and 6yo run loose at a pool all by themselves. Especially if they need "water wings".
If the child died, i would blame the parents for negligence. Having been a lifeguard for a few years when i was younger i recall numerous parents attempting to drop their young children off unsupervised and expect the lifeguards to baby sit their children. Even a few seconds of distraction with young children can be fatal.
I do not like water wings as they can easily slip off if the child puts his hands over his head, as well as they give parents false confidence. A vest is much better.

Every child should learn to swim proficiently. Start them early.
52  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Real contact stickfighting, injuries and recovery on: August 19, 2008, 01:10:03 AM
being from Hawaii
pineapple juice afro
and of course ibuprofen.

53  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: DB Gathering of the Pack August 10th, 2008 on: August 11, 2008, 09:09:15 PM

Little Bolveys is doing well. He's pushing a 5 gallon water bottle as a walking aid.  I'm in decent fight shape, so I hope to be back at the next Gathering.  Miss you guys.  On Sunday, I had the strong feeling that I should be in LA fighting instead of porking up on Dim Sum in San Francisco at my family reunion.

Yes i missed not being there for a scrap.
I watched a local fma tournament, padded sticks. It just wasn't the same.

Bolvey... is that a play on Beowulf? the name of the king in 13th of my favorites.
That was actually on my list of names for my son. Instead i chose Thor...there time will come for stick fighting. 
54  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: MMA Thread on: August 10, 2008, 11:41:09 AM

Brock Lesnar showed tremendous improvement over his last outing which I suspect is due to having both Eric Paulsen and Greg Nelson in his corner  shocked 

GSP continues to amaze and balls of steel award, jaw of steel award and conditioning award to Fitch for being the warrior to let him show it.  Great respect between the two at the end of the fight.  Perhaps Sled Dog can give us some background on GSP's fight preps?

Brock is sure lucky to have such great trainers in his corner. Greg Nelson helped make numerous champions on top of his own athletic endeavors. Erik Paulsons game is and coaching is unreal as well.
I hope to see dramatic improvements in Brock as time goes on.
CD what do you think of that straight right? It appeared Herring was firmly rooted with chin down, but went flying like a rag doll. Maybe he wasn't as rooted as it appeared?
I continue to wonder why the occipatal slap is not used, especially on the ground when the back of the head is exposed.

GSPs spinning backhand was perfectly set up along with numerous other techniques.

Huerta i lost a beer bet over him. He was outclassed and slow to counter. He'd block and move, asses then engage, example that thai kick. Not block, instantly counter.  His superman punch was lame, he pump faked it so many times it was overused.

Chek Kongo looked big. More work on the cage takedowns. His midsection was wide open as he was bending at the hips. He seems very classy post fight.
55  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: DB Gathering of the Pack August 10th, 2008 on: August 09, 2008, 09:08:38 PM
Tom did not go easy on him either.  A lot of men would not have come back after that.

A guy that comes back after an experience like that is something very special. great heart.
56  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Dealing with creeps... on: August 09, 2008, 09:06:20 PM
I would take this guy seriously. 
Documentation of everything and a police report at the least to show your brakes were tampered. If you got one or have the money put up a video camera next to your vehicle that has a recording device. Show a picture of him to the neighbors and friends to keep an eye out for this guy and let them know you believe he is stalking you/gf.
If you run into him I'd be cautious of weapons as he does not seem to want to engage on the same level. Again official documentation of your perception of threat and
of all threatening activities.

Why all the documentation?
To protect yourself legally if you have to do anything outside of your day to day life.
Same drill i use if i'm being hasseled in a bar...i inform the bartender and doorman, if the guy(s) try to take me out, i got someone as a witness documenting my avoidance of the situation.
57  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: DB Gathering of the Pack August 10th, 2008 on: August 09, 2008, 08:50:24 PM
For matching height/weight, just look to Roger Tinkoff (C-Space Dog).  He challenged and fought Tom Kier for a single stick fight at his first Gathering.   A 2x weight and strength difference is a true Gathering experience.  Granted, that's tougher to find for the larger guys.

wow what a first fight. Did he know who Tom Kier was before he called him out?

btw congrats on the baby? How long till you fight again?
58  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Aerial Wolf Shooting. on: July 10, 2008, 07:41:03 PM
Um..actually no, surprisingly enough. I'm pretty lucky. Not many "pests" in my area. The few times I do run into them, I either get them out of the house or use a repellent. I've never been really big on killing something just because it inconveniences me.

Does that go to the extent that you would not kill a rodent or roach in your house?
59  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Aerial Wolf Shooting. on: July 10, 2008, 07:38:19 PM
Eradication is done for a reason. I do not know enough about aerial wolf shooting to support or denounce it, but i do understand the concept of population control. Alaska is a vast resource, with many remote areas so i suspect an aerial approach is necessary in many instances.
In my state goats and wild pigs are hunted for similar reasons. There is aerial goat hunting.

What do you suggest we do if there is an overpopulation of wolves that grow large enough to disrupt the natural ecosystem? in many parts of the country like coyotes they are becoming a threat to humans. Surely the human population is not lessening, so how do we manage civilization? all the while maintaining a reasonable lifestyle? With commodities increasing, how can humans expect to survive if the rising costs of everyday goods make more regulations stricter? I am one to support the environment, but most times that means stricter regulations, which means higher production costs, which forces retail prices higher. With higher prices more people will be without the basics which include food to survive.
60  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Book Reviews on: July 08, 2008, 11:27:48 PM
This weekend I got to attend one of the local annual book sales. Fortunately on the day i went all the materials were 50% off. I got a plethora of books, with a wide variety of topics. Unfortuantely my toddler was driving my gf insane so i cut my shopping short.

Off the top of my head a few i picked up
The Manhunter by Pascucci(a book on the federal marshals- i'll have to ask CWS about this one after i read it)
Your Childs Growing Mind by Jane Healy Phd
Kidnappings(not sure on the title- a chronology of historical crimes)

I'm half way thru Your Childs Growing Mind and i find it quite fascinating(enough so that i've skimmed thru it in a few hrs). The author covers the basics of nurture vs nature, but attempts to find the link between creating a balanced child and approaching children as individuals working their strengths and style of learning. Classifying learning into lumpers or splitters. Splitters are big on facts and the right answers making excellent traditional students but may lack creativity and possibly initiative. Lumpers are the non traditional learners who need to see and do rather than listen. He can't organize, but his ideas are wonderful but he can't write out the equation.
My personal opinion is that in general 'splitters' who are big on facts end up working for the succesful 'Lumpers' The problem is getting the Lumpers on the correct path with the support system to facilitate growth without stifiling creativity. EDIT1 in retrospect a combination of the two is best... the labels are merely extremes.
What say you?

This book is quite useful and reinforces my perspective that i in part gained from the book Just the Way you Are by Gallagher. The old nurture vs nature and how there can be critical windows for learning that are ideal for certain skill sets, all the while the human brain is very resiliant. It also helped me realize to a point that many windows should not be rushed as you may be forcing certain parts of the brain to be used to accomplish the skill set while in fact a more effcient part of the brain would be used if it was not rushed which may cause possible repercussions. Basically say "No" to the 1hr mandated memorizing flashcards for 6month olds.
My overall perspective is that of patience using positive reinforcement in a safe nurturing environment with a variety of stimuli, with the occasional compulsion with special regard to compulsion for issues regarding safety.
At this point my child is 19mo so i am contemplating which style of preschool i will send him to in a year or two. My options at this point are traditional academia in a feeder school with Christianity as a staple, or a Christian based Montessori school. Personally i am favoring the Montessori school with its emphasis on physical development with greater freedom, as i see the potential end product having greater mental flexibility than what has often become a common occurence of an educated derelict. The negative side of Montessori seems to be in regards to children primarily focusing on the subjects they choose, and not being trained to sit in a classroom setting for the traditional lecture type setting.
In part i suspect i may follow the Building Batman type template outlined in the TPI forum, for the physical skill sets when the time is right. With that i am leaning towards avoiding serious martial arts training till 10 maybe even 15yrs of age and focus on other aspects of life. Dog Dean in the grateful thread mentioned he has just begun his daughters serious training and that seems along the lines i am looking at.

61  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Watching the UFC on: July 08, 2008, 12:19:33 PM

That's hilarious.
Hate to say it, but i've seen a few of those around here. Ridiculous to the point of...walking around the mall with their mouthpiece in their ear.
62  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Being Prepared without Being Paranoid on: July 04, 2008, 02:54:38 PM
Peregrine,  Why do you ask?

I asked because your posts have sounded like you were maintaining your ma skills, but not highly focused on growth. There's a time for everything and at times i enjoy putting things on maintenace while i go and focus on learning new skills or another of my goals.
63  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Being Prepared without Being Paranoid on: July 02, 2008, 03:21:36 PM
David, is it fair to say at this point in your life your martial arts training is done to a maintenance level? With that the primary benefit is exercise and maintaining those skill sets.
64  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: What would you have done? on: June 30, 2008, 06:50:32 AM
A case locally that comes to mind is the beating to death of a woman earlier this year in the middle of the street.
One man attempted to directly intervene, a 70yo man.
A precarious position, do something and end up in jail, aor attacked by both the gf and bf, etc.

EDIT- he clubbed her to death striking her in the head with the 12gauge using double overhand strikes so much so that the gun shattered.

Yesterday at about 5:45pm, a black Ford Explorer ran a stop sign at about 60mph and slammed into a white car on Maluniu Avenue.  When the woman stepped out the car, which had spun around since the impact was so great, a man came out of his Ford Explorer, ran to the woman, and punched her in the face.  He then went back to his car and grabbed a gun, came back to her, and started clubbing her with the gun.  A neighbor tried to help the woman out, but the suspect pointed the gun at him and told him to step back, to which the woman tried to run away again.  The suspect then chased after her, hit her in the stomach, and when the neighbor tried to help again, the suspect hit the neighbor in the back of the head with the gun.  She tried to crawl away, but the suspect repeatedly beat her on the head again, then got in his Explorer and drove away.  She was pronounced dead by the time she was in the hospital 15 minutes after the incident occurred.  (Source: Honolulu Advertiser).

What is going on.  The suspect is believed to be her ex-boyfriend whom they both had a child with together. The man was 6 foot 2 and 340 pounds.  Iím sure she couldnít do anything to defend herself, and with a gun, most people who wanted to help would be scared for their own lives.  This is jsut messed up.  I canít believe someone would go as far as beating up their ex-girlfriend in such a vicious way.  Maybe he wasnít trying to kill her, but you have to admit that he was out to hurt her, and real bad.  To take a metal object like the butt of a gun and repeatedly hit someoneÖI donít think anyone will escape without injury.  And from a 340 lb man?
65  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Relaxed vs. Prepared on: June 30, 2008, 06:35:58 AM
"you might feel a bit better if you didn't , , , NEED to carry."

This seems to be the essence of the point you are making.

Something that did stick out with me is the next quote.

I lead a relaxed and happy life by not obsessing about being attacked, i
magining that I might walk into a mall shooting, a terrorist attack, etc.  If I do find myself in such a situation, the best bet is to escape anyway.  If I can't escape, the secondary benefit of my training will kick in. The primary benefit is health and enjoyment.

66  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: What would you have done? on: June 30, 2008, 06:24:42 AM
We are continually bombarded by stories about people who, after getting involved, were arrested, prosecuted and otherwise treated like the perp they were trying to stop.

I honestly don't know what I would have done in those circumstances. I hope I would have intervened, but lets not judge these people. Rather, lets steel ourselves to the possibility that we could freeze too and work to come to grips with those feelings and pray that when it hits the fan, we can step up and do the right thing.

What i take from these unfortunate circumstances is that it can set some frames and parameters on a mental line in the sand, and on what a person can do. If my time comes i pray i do the right thing what ever it may be. Wisdom is key.
I also can see the perspective of not wanting to stick my nose in other peoples business such as a domestic dispute, but as a people we must understand disparities of force and excessive force. Everyone who has lived in the city i am sure has seen or been around situations that you wondered if one should do or say something and as CD has said it leaves a 'sour taste in the mouth'. A good example of trying to do the right thing could be on seeing a man attacking a woman, this could be a number of situations, including a police officer apprehending a suspect. 

If we do not do something(how ever small or big), how can we expect our communities and country(ies) as a whole to improve? I am not advocating going Audie Murphy on every shadow, but i am saying we should have the wisdom and foresight to understand excessive force and disparity of force enough to do something should we be faced with the decision to act.

Philip i can see you and most on this board doing what ever it takes be it distraction or direct intervention to get someone who is beating to a bloody pulp a young child or baby.

Kahuna dog.
67  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: What would you have done? on: June 26, 2008, 06:55:39 PM
I believe the phenomenon is the "bystander effect"(Genovese syndrome)

The definition lies along responsiblity gets diffused as more people observe something out of the ordinary and do nothing.
Part of the solution imho are intrinsic moral values and the other being trained for emergency situations.
Moral values may dictate a person from letting another take advantage of a helpless being, while being trained may range from a self defense seminar to military backgrounds. The training imho is more of a mindset that something needs and can be done.
The last component is being held responsible/accountable. The bystander effect from what i have read and been taught lessens when a person begins aid, and holds the others responsible. This could be the reason why in cpr training you are taught to point to a specifc person, and tell them to call 911- a matter of taking charge and mentally they are held responsible.

This topic ties into the concept of the Militia.
68  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: What would you have done? on: June 24, 2008, 02:41:54 AM
Really sad story.
I am quite disturbed by this one.

I'm sure 90% of the people on this forum would find something within themselves to stop this guy.
69  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Being Prepared without Being Paranoid on: June 19, 2008, 12:39:38 AM
From your other thread on knife.
...3 right turns ....LOL!!'
I think you're right about the connection between practice and experience, and being relaxed. I hope you don't mind but I thought I'd transfer your ideas to the other thread: 'Relaxed vs Prepared'

This sentnece seems to construe that the two oppose each other, it is quite possible to be relaxed and prepared. As Tony mentioned it is being unprepared that makes one tense.
70  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Being Prepared without Being Paranoid on: June 19, 2008, 12:32:04 AM
For some reason i suspect you interpret being prepared and carrying a weapon as not being happy or having a fullfilled life.
Is it because you chose to carry a firearm based on your fear of your previous experience? Your deleted comments did bear merit in this thread.

My choice to carry is a proactive approach to my reality not on fear percieved or realized. It just is.

I know numerous service members and many do carry. Being a member of the military does not equate to readiness. The majority may have been trained to use a rifle, but that is not their primary role, it is likely logistics. Meat eaters in general do carry.
Let me put it this way...
ask yourself how many combat veterans have you trained? those that were on the ground?

I carry a fixed knife, and it's primary purpose is that of a weapon. I do carry 2 other knives that are used as tools a leatherman and a 2.75"folder, and if i needed could be secondary or tertiary weapons(unlikely as i'd just grab an improv tool). All these are carried in a fanny bag along with my flashlight, cell phone and wallet.

My life is quite fullfilling and i do not feel the need or whim to lose my tools that i choose to carry. I am neither military nor a civilian. My job does require i carry a knife and it has been deployed succesfully for use as a tool in numerous emergency situations to endless menial tasks.  I am a realist that believes in self preservation and preparation. The Boy Scouts motto comes to mind- 'Be prepared' this means mentally, physically, and logistically.
I am fully aware of what i am capable of with regards to emergency med and aside from quikclot i could improv enough to survive the golden hour to the surgeons table if my or another injury was anything but mortal.

For you carrying the weapon seems a burden. A weight that must be hefted, adjusted, maintained. Removing the weapon you claim to feel much happier and nicer. For myself it is a part of my life and a network of safety valves that may be necessary one day and often used for menial tasks.

In an npe then I am satisfied by carrying a flashlight.

71  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Relaxed vs. Prepared on: June 15, 2008, 10:40:29 PM
With that i personally carry something 90% of the time i'm outside of my house. I'm the tinfoil hat wearing type.
Will i need it? statistically no.
I'd rather carry it than not, it is my right, but more importantly my duty to my family and friends. Do i enjoy myself and have time to smell the roses? is good that is why i value it enough to protect myself and family. CCW is not an option where i live though i do carry a fixed knife, a folder or two and a flashlight. All fit nicely on my fanny bag, with my fixed knife deployable in it's target in less than a second.
72  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Win Win on: June 14, 2008, 02:10:00 AM
Woof All:

About 6 weeks ago I had a very productive conversation with the principal and got her to agree in principal with the concept of the right of self-defense.  She agreed to have me help her draft the language for next year's school handbook.  Today we finally got around to it.

Here is the language we agreed upon:

"FIGHTING:   Part of a good education is learning how to resolve conflict peacefully and we take that seriously here at __________.  If a student is being harassed or bullied, the proper solution is to report the matter to a teacher or other school authority.  The matter will then be mediated in a civilized manner.  Parental support in this area is particularly important. 
"At the same time, of course we recognize that everyone has the right to defend his/herself if attacked.   Of course distinguishing self-defense and fighting can sometimes be quite a challenge!
"In the event of an altercation, it is the responsibility of the principal or designee to interview all students who were involved and any witnesses.  A determination will be made based upon the facts as to whether or not an attack which was defended or fighting occurred.  Then the principal/designee will make a determination on the merits and as to suitable punishment, if any.  Know that  two children claiming "He started it!" is likely to be resolved with the punishment of both."
The Adventure continues,
Crafty Dog

This is quite impressive, i hope other schools will follow suit as this will help develop people who will be able to do the right thing even in the face of uncertainty.
73  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / This 1 always gets me on: June 14, 2008, 01:53:11 AM
Barry Adams     

Father's Day Reminder
Sunday June 17th marks the day in North America and other countries around the world where Father's Day is celebrated. This annual day to honor our dads can be full of thankfulness and joy, or it can be full of a lot of pain and loss, depending on how we have related to our earthly fathers.

I am reminded of a story that I heard about a prison in USA who had started an initiative where they provided free Mother's Day cards for the inmates so they could mail out the cards to their moms. This initiative was so successful that inmates were literally lining up all day to get the free cards.

The prison administration decided to offer free Father's Day cards to the same inmates to build on the success of Mother's Day. They were shocked when no prisoners (or very few) showed up to get a free card for their dads. This story certainly does back up the statistics that I have heard stating that over 90% of men incarcerated in prison lacked a loving relationship with their father.

While these statistics do not reflect society as a whole, there are literally millions of people who find Father's Day one of the most difficult days of the year to cope with. Memories and disappointments can be closer to the surface on this day more than others.

Please pray for the many ambassadors around the world who will be sharing the Father's Love Letter with others through door to door city initiatives, full page FLL newspaper ads, radio and television FLL broadcasts, etc. Please also pray for every person who receives this special invitation, that they may come home to the Father they have been looking for all their lives.
74  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Does Anyone Teach MCMAP on the outside? on: June 08, 2008, 01:42:47 AM

75  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Does Anyone Teach MCMAP on the outside? on: June 08, 2008, 12:14:27 AM
I've been exposed to Mcmaps and watched a number of classes become certified to tan belt when the commandant declared he wanted his Marines certified to that level(2003?). It has it's pros and cons. The cons i've seen are the wrist locks from the bad guy grabbing your collar, etc...the pros ties in the simplest and best of mma into weapon retention and basic staff, stick and knife. The belt on these Marines means they have been exposed to certain concepts and meet certain requirements like any school that teaches the masses, homework and remedial training makes the difference between Marines who have it down to second nature and the rest. The ability to be proficient at Mcmaps depends on your sgts and co focus cause you definatelly do not have time to become a machine at them in the short course at Basic. In ones unit there are so many things to do, it just depends on what the focus of pt is and deployments, etc...

The system links the unarmed to armed. I like the shirt that i have seen some mcmap instructors wear that says "one mind, many weapons" The concept is good and ties into what many who are reality based are leaning towards. Bels country breakfast says it all- 3gun match, mma, pd, and game theory.

So who wins the bar fight? the sailor or marine? medics don't count Dog Dean.

Just wanted to clarify i was not in the military.
76  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: sean sherk vs. bj penn on: May 24, 2008, 11:31:14 AM
I wouldn't doubt they've both used chemical enhancing drugs legal and illegal.
77  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: sean sherk vs. bj penn on: May 24, 2008, 01:22:26 AM
My call is that Sherk will take him down and put a "half mount" clinic on BJ.  If not TKO, decision going to Sherk.

I doubt that will happen.
BJs footwork is pretty good even on one leg.
78  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Pre-emption and Sucker Punches on: May 18, 2008, 11:10:00 AM

The way each of us uses verbalizations will be and should be different.  With regards to where Thompson says "whereas shorter sentences, certainly single syllables, send the message that the conversation is coming to an end." (and that fight is about the start)"
that often I use very brief answers to make clear that there is not to be any further dialog.  For example to an ominous request for money, typically I simply answer "No."  I NEVER say "Sorry" which is something I see many people do.  The abruptness of the answer is intended to make clear, as Thompson notes, that I will not be intimidated and that any further harassment will not be tolerated.

For some situations-
I've found "BACK OFF!" to be my default. Sounds close enough to F off to cause an effect. While i have one hand up, palm to opponent like a cop telling a car to stop. This serves several purposes, shows them in body language i don't want anything to do with them, so they will stop/back away, if they don't then they in my mind have other than innocent plans. It also creates a fence, a physical barrier between them and myself, depending on the severity and proximity i may elect to keep my palm at my waste and just flick my hand up, or higher up my chest if i feel endangered.
79  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Pre-emption and Sucker Punches on: May 16, 2008, 06:59:11 PM
This is a great fight. Pro Skater Mike V fighting 4 guys

I always liked that one.
Note the guy in the middle, the guy with the staff and at the end the guy with what appears to be a blade.

here's another clip of it.
80  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Pre-emption and Sucker Punches on: May 16, 2008, 06:57:14 PM
My response was not what he thought he would get as it was far outside the norms of the middle east, which by the look on his face caused his thought process to short circuit

In his book, "Dead or Alive:The Choice Is Yours" Geoff Thompson lists abstract question asking as both a deterrent/confuser and as a an action trigger.

As a deterrent/confuser:
This is generally used in the early part of the run-in before the adrenaline has started pumping.  "How's your brother/mother these days?" "Is your sister's name Mary?" "Don't you know my cousin, David?". This can be a series of questions wherein your "recognition" of the attacker may buy you time, or plant the seed of doubt in their head (Maybe this guy really does know someone I know)

As an action trigger:
An action trigger would be defined as something that prepares you mentally for your pre-emptive strike while throwing your adversary off guard. It can be a simple question or something abstract that makes no sense at all. As Thompson writes,  "A submissive question is also a subliminal indication that you wish to prolong the conversation, whereas shorter sentences, certainly single syllables, send the message that the conversation is coming to an end." (and that fight is about the start)

"I'm sorry I didn't hear you, what did you say?"

"What was the score in the game tonight?"

"Did you see that chicken video?"

I saw a bouncer use the abstract question technique one night with an extremely drunk client. No matter what the drunk would say, the bouncer kept asking things like "What is your favorite color?", "Can you fix a radiator?", "Do pickles give you gas?". It completely disarmed the drunk by keeping him mentally off-balance. So much so that he forgot about the fight he was about to get into, mumble something about "Too confusing..." and wandered off.

Not that a prolonged line of questioning would work in a sucker punch situation, but a single abstract question can buy you some time.

Good example.

This is circumventing the persons thought process through what many self defence and reality based systems are calling OODA loop. Observe, orient, decision, act.
Basically your ooda is moving faster than his is allowing you to have the drop on him.

The Incident Command System calls it APIE, analyze, plan, implemnet, evaluate.
But it's all the same, you're thought process is faster all the while you're trying to impede his by forcing introversion using distraction, decpetion and perception.
81  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: sean sherk vs. bj penn on: May 15, 2008, 06:25:43 PM
quite amusing
82  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Pre-emption and Sucker Punches on: May 15, 2008, 06:19:44 PM
Some of those videos always amaze me how the people who got ktfo just stand around as the victim continues to get some form of abuse/harassment.
83  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Pre-emption and Sucker Punches on: May 12, 2008, 01:22:44 PM
yes i think it was mostly semantics.
84  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Pre-emption and Sucker Punches on: May 11, 2008, 07:47:14 PM
from my perspective-
Pre emptive strike = an attack deemed 'necessary' on an identified threat to prevent further loss of position

Sucker punch = an attack without warning or provocation
85  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Pre-emption on: May 11, 2008, 06:54:30 PM
I can't imagine many, if any, scenarios that just keeping your distance and avoiding people you don't know won't solve.  Do you guys really think it's more complicated than that?  Maybe I'm taking too much for granted, but I'm not going to let someone get close enough to hit me without having time to react unless I'm in a crowd.  Common courtesy dictates that you don't walk past someone with no space when no one else is around.  YOU can maintain the distance.  And if you're in a crowd and someone hits you...well there's no amount of training that's going to prevent that...aside from ninja like super consciousness!

Being able to quantify a threat is more realistic than just avoiding the world. By having the ability to quantify allows one to break that skill down and to pass the skill on to another because it goes beyond the subconcious street sense that some individuals have learned. More importantly, some of the common habits people have learned to avoid unkowns can lead them into trouble- positive reinforcement of a negative behavior- this includes highly trained martial artists. An example of this would be to continue walking pass an individual who asked you the time.
This may have worked the thousands of times in the past with other vagrants, beggars, and untouchables. But this time what you have not noted is the guy asking you for the time now has just crossed the street to do so, his partner is running up ahead and his right arm is not visible because he is shielding it with his structure.

Addressing the point of being attacked in a crowd, one should first understand target selection. Commonalities do exist when being the victim of a crime. (Revenge or vendetta type attacks differ but do have commonalitries as well). One must see the forest not just the trees, the strategy beyond the technique. Some of these commonalities in victims are- inattentiveness, uncoordinated gait, insecurity, temporarilly occupied.
Walking in a crowd people need to still be aware, and if you do see a potential threat you continue to keep a perspective on them while scanning for others... if there are none you continue on your way and attempt to avoid them. Distraction, deception and perception are all the tools of criminals ranging from muggers, pickpockets and various toilet scum.

You mentioned one should  " With training, you better be able to pick up the signs/body mechanics that someone is about to launch into an attack from a few feet away.  You could clearly see them in the first video.  ."
Who was about to attack who? why? what specific actions? why was it being videoed?
Dojo and ring training differ from reality based training. Your school deals with real world self defense so these may be understood by you but not people in general. Again the need to quantify and put into a skill set or words street sense so that the skill may be passed down, practiced and discussed.  My contention is there needs to be a link to recognize signs of a potential attack and or of being set up. Dealing with an attack once it is immenant or even being set up will leave you behind the power curve. What i contend is that the point of being threatened needs to be quantified. So that you may nip the issue in the bud.

Maintaining distance with your hands up in a non threatening way is called a fence.

Some other points on cheap shots worth noting are the false submission and distraction- verbal, visual or a combination. All designed to by-pass your ooda loop so that you are attacked when you're attempting to process information.

Maija i agree the guy in grreen was not very smart. It also violates my new rule since youtube is so popular- if someone is videoing you and you don't know why be ready to bust out the prowrestling.
86  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Pre-emption on: May 11, 2008, 12:08:32 PM
My strategy has always been to avoid verbal exchanges, to keep going, and to keep my distance when approached by someone.  Even in a crowd, when someone asks you for a dollar, the time, etc., just keep on walking, or start walking.  If you're followed, maintain the distance.  If you can't maintain the distance, then it's time to act.  I used to tell my students, when you're threatened and cannot escape, it's time to attack.  No well meaning person is going to keep pressing you if you've tried to moved away and voiced your intention.  If someone does press you further, something is wrong.  Of course I'm not advocating nailing someone for asking you what time it is.  But you can move away, tell the person you don't have the time/money/whatever, and use your hands/arms as a barrier with great preparedness if he continues to approach, all the while being non-threatening...not provoking a fight.  With training, you better be able to pick up the signs/body mechanics that someone is about to launch into an attack from a few feet away.  You could clearly see them in the first video.  The attacker even cocked back. 

I can't imagine many, if any, scenarios that just keeping your distance and avoiding people you don't know won't solve.  Do you guys really think it's more complicated than that? 

You touched on several points worth noting.

The interview and distance. The interview is often done to finalize target selection and possibly to circumvent the victims thought process prior to attack.

I will digress your statement on the attacker cocking back. His hand came from the low ready then contacted. Your definition of cocking back and mine must differ.

87  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Pre-emption on: May 10, 2008, 10:35:12 PM

Some or all of these can occur.
blading the body
weight shift
look around
fist clench

The first video was not exactly your run of the mill sucker punch.
His cues were fairly subtle, usually people look around more(it may have more to do with moral bias of them doing something taboo, this guy was in the right from what i saw in the video- the guy came back) and there is a longer setup. Another excellent point is he checked the other guys right hand.  This actually reminded me of a technique John Lewis showed me, possibly picked up from Judo Gene. *guy gets in your face, go for double bicep control, spin the guy around and rnc aned step back.

The other video was too hard for me to see much.

Prevent the sucker punch by awareness, verbal dissuasion, and a mental line in the sand.
One must also consider the personal space of the area you are in. City personal space differs in being smaller than rural personal space. The world is right hand dominant and even boxers have a favorite punch. Other things to consider are body mechanics, weapons and physiology... the eye is designed to see things a certain way and things can 'fly under the radar'.
Watch for weapon reaching,

Samoan Robert had a nice panatukan technique today from the hands at the low. It reminded me of Samoan slap dancing.

This guy 'never saw it coming'
Note all the cues ^ 18-20sec...

I highly suspect he was identified a lot earlier and possibly followed into the McDonalds. Prey look and act like food.
Note in general bad guys attack others who they believe they can prevail against. Again check for the cues.
Special note the leg pass to side control/knee on the belly... the guy had training.

There is a book i really wanted to get from paladin press but i can't seem to find it now as i have forgot the title, but the author from my recollection was a decoy for SFPD and mugged thousands of times.

88  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: sean sherk vs. bj penn on: May 07, 2008, 11:18:09 PM
I'm voting for BJ. of course evil

Sherk is a machine(one of the highest compliments in my book), but BJ imho is a 'phenom.'  & Like Roy Jones Jr. lives for fighting. If he brings the gas he will win.
I got to meet Greg Nelson shortly before the last Gathering in a short seminar. Really great guy and i love his methods/clinch.

89  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Self-Defense Law on: April 29, 2008, 11:21:48 AM
I would like to bring up a very critical point on why i believe in the 2nd A.
The police are not responsible for individuals safety.
This may sound simple on the surface, but there are so many people who believe and have the thought if something bad happens 'the police will come'
Well they likely will, but they may not.
90  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Self-Defense Law on: April 29, 2008, 12:46:56 AM
It's all about articulation.
I am not good at articulating my thoughts into words or written, so even more so my attorney will provide my statement.

As far as my understanding of it goes...several facets must be in place for a clean case of self defense(yes people have got away with less)
1.fear of one's life or others
2.escalation of force was reasonable escape possible(this differs with jurisdiction and castle law...)
91  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Case Study: Bystanders doing nothing... on: April 28, 2008, 10:07:44 PM
Arm thyself and take to beating him to get him to cease.
I like the sneak up on him and throw a towel or shirt over his head whilst taking a step back meeting the back of his head to to the pavement.
And yes you are not isolating the knife(though you are at 'zero pressure'), but a more important rule is his body must go where his head does.

EDIT- think slamball into pavement.
92  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: At UFC 83 in Montreal on: April 23, 2008, 03:01:36 AM
Baahhhahahah, peregine you are cracking me up! cheesy 

Ryan - This thread itself cracks me up. shocked cheers.
I actually learned a new word today in another forum as i let my exuberance and street slang out about an article citing a study on testosterone levels.
The word is arete.
So now i must attend toastmasters every monday and English as a First language tuesdays and thursdays. rolleyes haha. In all fairness i often write unintelligble posts that only people from Hawaii or rednecks could understand.

back on topic-
GSP- dominated not only won. It reminded me of how some athletes can be so dominant at an international level- Jordan, Roy Jones Jr., BJ Penn and others. Superior athlete and attributes.


93  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: At UFC 83 in Montreal on: April 22, 2008, 04:54:22 PM
After i reread this another thought popped into my lizard brain.

I'm less likely to run into some blackbelt bjj or collegiate wrestler in my local liquor store hassle. So i do not comprehend the exact nature of the coorelation between high level bjj or wrestlers in a controlled environment.

What i am likely to encounter is some pos who has watched the ufc, along with the new thug mma show on BET. They will know the general positions, the general submissions, etc. their game has a good chance of not being tight, a high chance of a weapon being involved with an inherent likelihood for viciousness.

My educated reasoning leads me to believe a moderate level of wrestling with a crash course in striking has a superior chance than a mid to high level sport bjj player. Or am i making an unfair argument because i am incorporating multiple disciplines? I do not think so, many mid and even a few high level bjj players have unsatisfactory takedowns, and may be monkey trapped using a gi, while even first year wrestlers have atleast 1 really good takedown and maybe a slam as well.
94  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: At UFC 83 in Montreal on: April 22, 2008, 04:22:38 PM
This has turned into quite a thread.

I am boycotting both bjj and wrestling instead i am going to study PRO-WRESTLING so i can mongo smash you guys, then follow up with a flying elbow smash. afro

I tend to agree with Craftys ascertation that wrestlers in general are superior genetically, this is more due to the lesser athletes being cut or quitting than the activity in itself.  To wrestle you have to continouslly make the cut and are fire tested by your own team to fight for your slot and by the numerous matches. Wrestling has a long American history, this has created a culture around wrestling and many dynastys. If you're fortunate to be around these groups you begin to form a mindset that many other sports do not equate to on an athlete per athlete basis. Sure you have mentally as well as physically tough football players, track stars, cross country runners, water polo, boxers, lacrosse- but there is a reason many of the guys that tend to make specialized military units are from the wrestling pool than any other sport. A work ethic, a mental edge, fire tested repeatedlly, dietting, competition, innate personal drive.

BJJ is a great sport that showed what many of us in our hearts always want to believe it is possible for a smaller more skilled opponent can defeat a larger one. But bjj is a business in general and people learn because they pay someone else to teach them.
With the popularity of todays mma, the forced evolution of tma and the rapid advances in fight related fitness we will see less of a smaller opponent repeatedlly beating a larger opponents unless there attributes are quantum leaps apart.
Ryan i know you get some time with both aesop and jeff rockwell.

Both bjj and wrestling are great skills to own.
95  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: At UFC 83 in Montreal on: April 21, 2008, 02:45:00 AM
GSP fought incrediblly well and made MS bjj look like child play.

Great demonstration of focus and reclaiming his dues(belt).
I want to know how to make peoples bjj look like kiddie stuff. wink
96  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Dates of Dog Brothers Gatherings of the Pack on: April 09, 2008, 08:06:49 PM
I am aiming for Europe-sept09
97  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: A Secret Gathering: It was 20 years ago , , , on: April 07, 2008, 12:43:51 PM
a wonderful experience that deserves multiple pages of writtings by different fighters and witnesses. Something everyone there will remember.

Respect to all who fought and supported us.
Many a new candidates, a few new dogs, a few full dog brothers and congratulation to Doggzilla your dream of becoming an elder has come true.

98  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Anyone have any good Circuit Ideas for home on: February 22, 2008, 01:17:06 PM
Below are few circuits I like.  Remember - no breaks between stations or sets.


This is my latest:

2 min Tire flip
2 min Sledge hammer the tire
2 min Tire flip
2 min Throw down a sand filled basketball (25-30lbs)
2 min Outside swings w/ kettlebell
Repeat (2 sets of these and I need a break)


This next one doesn't sound that bad, but it sneaks up on you:

Jump rope until you mess up (or 50 jumps)
Farmers walk a set of kettlebells out and back about 50 feet
Jump rope until you mess up (or 50 jumps)
Clean (and hold) a set of kettlebells while walking out and back about 50 feet
Jump rope until you mess up (or 50 jumps)
Snatch (and hold) a set of kettlebells while walking out and back about 50 feet
Repeat for 15 minutes

(Hint - to keep it challenging, have various sized sets of kettlebells or dumbbells handy.  I like heavier bells for the farmer's walk or at the start and then use lighter bells for the snatch or as I get fatigued.)


This one is fun:

2 min Heavy bag
1 min Indian club swings (10 - 15lbs)
repeat about 5 times

(hint - you can replace the club work with KB swings or thrusters or set of 3-5 deadlifts.)

Nice routine.
99  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Gurkhas and their Kukris on: February 16, 2008, 12:29:26 PM
There used to be a really great show on various special forces on cable. They had a great documentary on the Ghurkas. highly impressive and to make selection seemed like the goal of this warrior culture.
I cannot recall exactly but i was impressed by there approach to child raising and possibly work ethic/chores. Kind of like the apaches running a mile with a mouthful of water and forced to spit it out to check if any was swallowed.
100  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Burpees - The World's Best Anaerobic Conditioning Exercise? on: February 16, 2008, 12:18:33 PM

Thats it? Thats easy..You need to come work out with me  cool

easy ace.

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