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1  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: 9/23/12 Dog Brothers Open Gathering of the Pack on: June 07, 2012, 10:10:30 PM
Thanks for the response.

I wasn't aware of this established understanding until now, and unfortunately didn't catch one of your explanations earlier.

As it turns out I train in a predominately MMA focused gym and therefore have the opportunity to practice empty hand figting there. The reason why I was interested in pursuing this at a Gathering was to further explore empty hand fighting under a less restrictive rule set. My experience with fighting at Dog Brothers events has been vastly different than fighting within the club I train at. I was interested in how my empty hand fighting my differ in this different venue but will of course abide by the established understanding in the future.
2  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: 9/23/12 Dog Brothers Open Gathering of the Pack on: June 06, 2012, 07:22:21 PM
One should note that this is a Real Contact Stick Fighting event, no empty hand fighting permitted (unless you loose your weapon of course) grin


This statement was in regards to whether someone would be interested in an empty hand fight.

I'm confused about the statement I quoted as I'm also interested in empty hand fights at Dog Brothers events. Why would empty hand fighting not be permitted? If knives, belts, bokken, garden hoses, etc... are viable options at a "Real Contact Stick Fighting event" then surely empty hand should be.

I've also seen video clips of people fighting empty hand vs one stick. I may have missed the memo but this is leaving me pretty confused.

Anyone else have an opinion on this?

I'm also unclear as to who has the authority to "permit" something at a gathering, from my understanding you could fight anyone, with anything you wanted, as long as they agreed to it. Are there certain people, such as C-Mighty Dog that decide things like this for everyone else?

Please enlighten me.
3  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: DB in the media on: September 26, 2011, 04:50:24 PM
Excerpt from an article I read on mixedmartialarts.com

" MMA would just be another backyard sport people would have bootlegged videotapes of. Technically and in some aspects, it still is. At least it has elevated from the status of all of those old 'Dog Brother' tapes that floated around in the early 90s. All of that stuff was taped right here in Southern California and surprisingly, they're still around."

Here's the link to where I got it from:

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/354219/Couture-insists-hes-done-with-MMA-will-continue-movies/

Thought some people might like to know what's being said/implied about them.
4  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: DB on PPV TV on: October 02, 2010, 10:11:47 AM
Just a thought on privacy, and fear of looking bad, etc..

I can't remember an instance in any of the instructional DVD's, etc... where fighters have been referred to with their names, its usually something like "black hits no shirt with a caveman", or something along those lines, unless you identify yourself as being "no shirt" or something, it can be hard to tell who's who sometimes.

I also know that I've seen Top Dog commenting on his own fights and referring to himself as yellow, if there was ever a time to "reveal" a fighters identity it would probably be saying "then I hit him with this..." just because its an easier way to communicate rather than referring to yourself in the third person by a pseudonym.

Plus I don't know if it's just me and the people I train with, but people are usually proud, or at least not ashamed of taking their lumps, what's wrong with saying "yeah I got blasted but kept fighting, or yeah I got blasted but fought 3 more times that day", to me thats more impressive than if your just smashing everyone all the time.

My 2 cents.

5  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Hooooooooooooly Crap on: June 20, 2010, 04:48:43 PM
Soooo I was watching a video of Steven Seagal training with Anderson Silva, I thought it would be funny, etc...

Then it looked like Seagal was doing a lot of Fillipino panantukan stuff, at least thats what it looked like to my relatively untrained eye.

but then... at about 2:20 of the video he looks like he's showing anderson some of the setups/crashes from the first kali tudo tapes....

I could be wrong but I don't think I am, anyway heres the video....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlQw9fJ9CKk&feature=player_embedded#!

Thoughts?
6  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: UFC 113 in Montreal on: May 09, 2010, 01:33:51 PM
It sucks that Cote lost, I jumped off my couch when he threw his leg over Belchers head to finish that Kimura, knowing he trains with Fabio I thought he would have had that one for sure.

Better luck next time though.
7  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: MMA versus Reality/Survival based skills on: April 21, 2010, 02:09:32 PM
You mean like a mount countered by a knife to the kidneys?

LOL at having a knife when your in a fight and getting mounted, if you haven't been able to deploy it and use it by then, you should probably just start pleading for mercy.

Also, say if you suddenly were mounted by an unarmed opponent, and you had a knife, how do you plan on deploying this, I'm assuming you dont wear a knife around your neck, and that its probably kept somewhere along the hip (pockets, belt, etc...) Now if someone has you mounted usually the lowest part of your body you can reach is your sternum because the rest is covered by their body. I doubt you'd be able to get your hand in your pockets, deploy your knife and use it before the other guy notices your doing something, or before he smashes you in the face multiple times while your trying to force your hand in between your body and his leg, and get into your pocket, or to your belt.

Have you even thought about these types of things or you just picked a random position from groundfighting.... jeez...
8  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: MMA versus Reality/Survival based skills on: April 18, 2010, 03:02:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhxDQgbuZ3o

The MMA fighters lost.   A good "reality based" system that accepts "ding and dent" style minimal rules sparring would be your best bet.  DBMA is one of those......

MMA is very one fighter oriented, spends too much time on the ground, and has stage set items (minimal clothes, barefoot, NutCup, mouthpiece, rounds)and rules.  Look how much time they spend on the ground.............   Without a cup some of those hold risk your nuts.........  I would call them a good start.


Practise like with anything else is key, get as realistic practice as you can and move from there.


LOL of course the mma fighters lost in that run through the woods, try to defeat the multiple attackers scenario. as you said MMA has "stage set items (minimal clothes, barefoot, NutCup, mouthpiece, rounds)and rules.", what do you call that, a set stage, they've got equipment, theres no rules but they know their not in any danger (which is probably the best piece of knowledge as far as fighting goes).

The MMA fighters lost in the simulation (with set terms, items, environment) that the other guys train for? of course they did.

Heres a question though, how come Brian Stann, a marine, who was there, did just as poorly as all the other UFC guys, wasn't he trained for multiple attackers, harsh conditions, and weapons? He got the exact same training as the marines and lost just as quickly as the UFC guys without it.

You also claim that "reality styles" would be the best bet to learn for these situations, and then use DBMA as an example. Then you make a criticism of MMA saying:
 
"MMA is very one fighter oriented, spends too much time on the ground, and has stage set items (minimal clothes, barefoot, NutCup, mouthpiece, rounds)and rules.  Look how much time they spend on the ground.............   Without a cup some of those hold risk your nuts.........  I would call them a good start."

How is that different than Dog Brothers fights at the gathering. 99% of the time they are one fighter oriented, most spend time on the ground, they have a set location, set date, set time, you know beforehand (even if its just the day of who you are going to fight, and often if its a more well known fighter what they like to do). Agreed upon protection is another issue. I've fought a few stick fights, I've seen more, and I've seen more on videos, you see people wearing, knee pads, elbow pads, shoes, CUPS, fencing masks, mouthgaurds, pants, etc....

Thats the same amount of protection if not far far more (Masks?) than MMA fighters go in with. You also said without a cup some of the holds risk your nuts, and theres two things wrong with that, one is that none of your holds hurt your nuts ever if your doing them properly, your probably referencing armbars, and if they hurt your nuts your doing them wrong.  Well without a mask those sticks flying by your head risk your eyes, nose, lips.... does that mean you shouldn't fight with a mask on when you stickfight?

You also state as a negative to realistic training that MMA has rules, but so does DBMA (which is the example you gave remember). Everyones friends at the end of the day, and try to leave everyone with the same IQ they came with DRAMATICALLY changes the stick fights.  How much can stickfights prepare you for streetfights or reality situations if they totally take out the aggressiveness, maliciousness, anger, and bad intentions that a real opponent would be coming with.

I'm not saying that what DBMA does is bad or wrong, not at all because I believe in it and am a fan of it, however I think alot of people are blind to the fact that stickfights are essentially MMA matches with sticks, more protection, and a few less rules. None of us are ninjas....
9  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: MMA versus Reality/Survival based skills on: April 17, 2010, 10:01:33 PM
A few things, your original post is really long so its hard to discuss it all. But I will say this:

From your post its clear that you've already made up your mind that MMA type training is not going to be sufficient in street fights, I would also think you came to this board and asked this question in the hopes that most of the people here would agree with you as DBMA, IMHO is more focused on minimal rules "reality" type fighting. I would argue that it's going to work for you 95% of the time in WINNABLE fights.

You also talk about the "survive at all costs" tactics that reality based systems promote, then in the next paragraph your worried about things like temperature or how hot the ground is going to be wherever it is that your fighting.  I'm not saying your surroundings aren't important, I'm saying that worrying about the temperature when someone is trying to kill you isn't going to be important, your not going to all of a sudden change from punching the guy to pulling guard just because of a shift in the barometric pressure....

As for the more than one opponent thing, I forget who it was, maybe a Machado brother who said (paraphrasing) "Multiple opponents? You can't even stop one person from kicking your ass".  I know several MMA fighters that I would be more worried about fighting one on one than fighting two drunks at a bar.

You mention people who train but don't test their skills, well no one tests their skills more than MMA/Boxers/Judo/Jiu Jitsu or the sport martial arts, no one is more used to performing their skills under fighting pressure than these guys. They can't be, they don't do it nearly as much as these arts allow for.  The only form of real contact simulated fighting I've personally seen outside of these sportive arts is DBMA. And this still isn't real fighting.

Anyway, final thoughts from my experience and it may differ especially depending on where you live is this:

most fights you should be able to avoid
most fights you can't avoid will be winnable if your trained properly (single opponent, no weapons)
fights with multiple opponents and/or weapons are winnable but your MUCH MUCH less likely to win these fights, even if you have trained for it (The videos are called Die Less Often for a reason right?)

Lastly, how often are we really fighting for our lives, or even in altercations, I've been in 2 fights outside of a gym or martial arts that I can remember, one I got my head shoved into a wall (that was the opening move) when I was like 8, that was the whole fight, the other fight I tackled the guy and shoved mud in his face (that was when I was ten). Other then that, nothing.

My last observation is this, you will spend far far more time and money, get hurt and injured, and you will endure more pain and suffering, learning the skills that you will need to win a fight, than you would ever endure as the result of 99.9% of fights (the 0.1% is me allowing for you getting killed/raped).
10  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: MMA Thread on: March 31, 2010, 11:02:20 AM
Just to add my two cents.

First off, he wasn't holding it for nearly as long as Joe Rogan made it out to be, when Joe Rogan counted to 5 seconds he was watching the slow motion replay, which I think he did mention and realize after he did it. Although I definetly think it was held too long.

There has also been a few instances in the UFC of people "fake tapping" where they tap twice or make like there tapping, then slip out when their opponent momentarily releases their grip,  I think CB Dollaway has been accused of this a few times.  Although once again, I don't think there is anyone who would consider that close to a fake tap, (I think he tapped nine times).

I liked Palhares going into this, but I'm not that big of a fan now, I can see the logic in holding it until the ref stops the fight, but in this case it was pretty extreme, especially considering it was a heel hook.

What's also interesting is that he was given a 90 day suspension, but what kind of punishment is that? Most of these guys only fight ever 3 or 4 months anyway, its likely he wouldn't have fought for 90 days anyway, this is in comparison to Babalu who got completely FIRED for holding a choke too long.

I'd much rather have someone hold a choke for 2 extra seconds on me, than have someone do the same thing with a heelhook.
11  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Reality oriented training in Atlanta? on: March 22, 2010, 04:50:06 PM
I know it might "just" be Jiu-Jitsu, but its probably the best place to learn Jiu Jitsu in the world, Top 5 at least,

Alliance Jiu Jitsu Atlanta,

AllianceBJJ.com

Head instructor is the most decorated Jiu Jitsu coach ever, and its also home to 3X world champ (in a row) Ruben Cobrinha Charles, as well as people like Marcelo Garcia come out of that camp....

First place I would train, possibly in the world.
12  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: MMA Thread on: March 18, 2010, 03:39:08 PM
Hardy is gonna get mauled, it wont even be close..... Yes I'm aware Serra had his lightning flash KO, but its not gonna happen twice, GSP by domination.
13  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: WHERE IS THE FOOTWORK!?! on: March 06, 2010, 10:05:48 AM
I'm not sure if the octagon is as small as most of you seem to think it is, I was told (by someone who has fought in the UFC) that its actually really big, surprisingly large he said.

I mean I can't comment much further than that because I've never been in there, but he compared it to a room in our gym and its a fairly large room, lots of room to move around and fight in.

Also while I've never fought at a gathering either, when I did fight at the Toronto DBMA training camp, I don't feel like I came close to covering the amount of room that is available in the aforementioned "octagon size" room. (Hope thats not too confusing)

With that said, I was more focused on the other guy than how much ground I was covering.
14  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Spring 2010 DB Tribal Gathering on: February 23, 2010, 04:16:50 PM
Member of the DB Tribe.

Pardon my ignorance but member of the tribe is?

"Dog" status?

C-Dog?
15  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Spring 2010 DB Tribal Gathering on: February 23, 2010, 02:29:11 PM
Woof Jkrenz,
Quote
It'll be my 1st time @ any DB function.
Definetly not my call, but I'm not sure you fit the criteria for the "Tribal Gathering"
Its for tribe members only.
                     C-HD

What exactly is the criteria to be eligible for a tribal gathering?
16  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Guro Crafty in Toronto: March 27-28, 2010 on: February 13, 2010, 03:10:09 PM
Good stuff.

Any idea on what will be covered? Or other details, price, location, length?
17  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: MMA Thread on: February 12, 2010, 01:51:21 PM
I always thought chuck was a much better wrestler than a kickboxer, look at his record, all the guys he has lost too with the exception of jeremy horn were better strikers, Overeem, Rampage twice, Shogun, maybe even Rashad?  Although admittedly I should be the last one knocking anyone's kickboxing ability.

As far as Josh Neer, and I think the fight you were talking about was against Kurt Pellegrino, IMO he was doing everything to try to get action started in that fight, including punching himself in the face..... (couldnt figure out how to post the gif, so go to this link, its worth it)

http://blogs.chron.com/fighting/neerdumbasssb65374666bv8.gif
18  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: MMA Thread on: February 11, 2010, 03:28:20 PM
What would someone's wrestling ability have to do with their closed guard subs and sweeps?

And the subs haven't been a secret for a long time, and theres no secret in jiu jitsu academies either, the blue belts to black belts are all doing the same moves, its how well they are done that counts. For me it goes back to whether or not people are actually good at jiu jitsu rather than just being given credit for it if they can avoid armbars.  The other thing, in regards to jiu jitsu guys not taking wrestling seriously enough, it's almost impossible for them to reach a level at wrestling where it would compare to the wrestlers already in the UFC, unless your GSP your not going to suddenly outwrestle the wrestlers. 

I think Rickson Gracie explains this point pretty well with this quote from an interview.

Rickson "I don't look for to knockout someone standing up, I look for to not be in a position to be knocked out myself. I look for the position to take my opponent where I want to be. That is my concept. The day that I think that I have to train kickboxing to beat a kickboxing champion, that will be the day I lose.

13. So you don't think that by training in kickboxing, that it can in some way help you to neutralize the kickboxer's game?

Rickson: Much to the contrary. Show me a jiu-jitsu fighter who trains kickboxing who has an advantage over a kickboxer standing up.....and then maybe I'll change my opinion. But this never happens. They always end up trying to do the technique wrong., end up clinch anyway) and lose big opportunities."

(I got that from the thread "rickson predicts the stand and wang phenomenon" from the mma.tv underground forums)

While I realize the importance of cross training, its often the guys who are masters of one thing that are champions over a bunch of jack of all trades type guys. One of my jiu jitsu instructors explained Demian Maia's strategy (for the nate quarry fight) to me like :

Demian Maia sweeps world class blackbelts in ADCC and Mundials regularly.

No one else in the middle weight division is even close to these world class blackbelts in their half guard top game.

Demian pulls half guard, gets the sweep easily and is on top, then he will destroy them with his far superior Jiu Jitsu from the top.

This is exactly what he did to Nate Quarry, do any of us think Demian Maia would have won if he tried to outwrestle quarry to get on top, or rock him on the feet then take him down?  Maia is one of my favourite fighters and if he tried to strike or wrestle with Quarry he would have got killed.

If you want your closed guard (or any guard) to be effective in mma, dont train your wrestling (which doesnt have a closed guard) or your kickboxing, train your closed guard.

Just like I wouldn't expect a wrestler or kickboxer to pull guard.

My 2 cents (or maybe thats like 4 cents cause its so long)
19  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: MMA Thread on: February 10, 2010, 07:36:15 PM
I'm not sure how much the kicks to the kidneys would affect closed guard in modern mma, with the fights being 15 minutes, I think they were much more applicable when the fights went until someone got finished, I think they are more effective in a war of attrition strategy, ala the gracies. Recently one of Rorion's sons (Rener I believe) talked about this in an interview, and was saying that closed guard, the war of attrition and defensive mindset is what seperates Gracie Jiu-Jitsu from BJJ, which they say is too focused on the sportive aspect of jiu jitsu.  The idea that as the weaker person, closed guard is one of the few ways you can defeat your larger more physically gifted opponents. His example was Brock Lesnar, and that if anyone went into a fight and tried to match him physically and battle him back and forth they would lose, their only chance would be to play closed guard for a long time, defend, defend, defend, and when their opponent (Brock) was worn out, then press their advantage. I think Heel kicks are a big part of this strategy.

As for the slaps, smacks, to the back of the head and spine, (cervical shots), I think they would make a major difference in the fights, maybe even knockouts from the bottom? Sweeping someone who has had their brain rattled would likely be alot easier than sweeping a fresh guy.

On another note, I think knee's should be allowed on the ground whether from the bottom or top, however I do think that if they were allowed Renzo may have been watching for them and might not have got caught, although admittedly I like Renzo alot more than Shamrock lol. Heck, we would probably have a different winner of the Marquardt/Sonnen fight if they were allowed.
20  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Closed Guard on: February 10, 2010, 02:34:59 PM
I don't agree with the closed guard is dead assessment at all. I think the problem is that too many people are being considered good at jiu jitsu when they really aren't.  It seems that every single fighter that enters the octagon nowadays is a BJJ blackbelt.  While they might have been given these blackbelts there is in my opinion a major difference and major discrepancy in the skills of a fighter (or even wrestler) who becomes a bjj blackbelt, rather than a bjj blackbelt who becomes a fighter.

Think about all the controversy that Rashad Evan's newly awarded black belt caused, the biggest justification for it was that he wasn't submitted by Thiago Silva, another blackbelt, so he must deserve it. While it's true he won the grappling portion of it, how well do you think Rashad would have done if for whatever reason he was playing guard against thiago silva, he would have likely got smashed, then people would say: "Closed Guard is dead, Rashad is a black belt and got killed".

But does Rashad have BJJ blackbelt skills from his guard? Does he even have them from the top?  I'd say no to both points, do I think he could out grapple people who are bjj blackbelts, yes, I think he could, but thats not his jiu jitsu.

The same goes for Nate Marquardt, yes he was awarded a blackbelt in bjj, but do we really know how good his jiu jitsu is?  I know BJJ blackbelts that would be blue belts at clubs only hours away from me, when their guards aren't effective against elite wrestlers, will we question the guard? I dont think so.

I'm kind of rambling here but.... the idea is that theres nothing wrong with the position its that people are being given too much credit for their skills, and therefore their expectations are too high.

In my opinion its akin to saying that fighting with sticks in the largo or medio ranges is dead in stickfighting because so many people can crash through that bubble with a roof block and start their clinch/grappling games. Are those ranges dead? of course not, but you might think so if you saw someone with excellent closing fighting someone with average skills in the longer ranges.
21  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Movies/TV of interest on: January 27, 2010, 12:42:37 AM
Was watching the Book of Eli and before that there was a trailer for the new Mel Gibson movie...

Anyway, I could be wrong but I think he uses the Dog Catcher (or something that looks very similar) from DLO to fend of a knife attack

Here's the trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvRdGKxsmD8

bit with the knife is just a few seconds before the 2 minute mark.
22  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Kali Tudo Working Examples on: December 23, 2009, 07:19:45 PM
Well I think the only reason he was able to tough it out, and keep fighting is because he was already in the fight, high adrenaline, etc.... in training I bet he would have tapped to something like that. And although it clearly had an impact on him in the further rounds, it almost looked like he was over it by the end of the fight, and whether he was posturing or not, he did say it wasnt that bad.  I've seen people have their arms broken from bicep crushers before though, and he wanted to finish the grappling match (it was a competition and he hadn't yet seen his floppy arm).

Also the submission is more of a compression submission rather than a twisting one (heel hook) so typically it attacks the calf muscle more than the knee itself (although apparently your entire knee can "explode") I've seen people have their arms broken from bicep crushers before though, and he wanted to finish the grappling match (it was a competition and he hadn't yet seen his floppy arm).

As for him finishing it, its hard to say if he could have finished with that particular submission, he almost comes up on top at the end, but it's probably fairly difficult to come up on top of tyson griffin like that, and had he switched to another submission he may have lost it (tyson griffin can scramble).  I mean in fights there is always what if's. I remember at the time of the fight it being extremely interesting and making the fight that much more exciting though.
23  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Kali Tudo Working Examples on: December 23, 2009, 05:39:02 PM
I know the question wasn't directed at me but here goes...

Its Dos Anjos (spelling?) pulling off that calf slicer on tyson griffin, seem to remember a post fight interview where griffin said it wasnt that big of a deal to him although he was kinda shaky on it for the 2nd round.

Oh it was also in the first round, and it was the UFC fight night 18 card... one of their free shows on spike.
24  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Kali Tudo Working Examples on: December 22, 2009, 09:24:37 PM
Kali-Silat!?



lol it must be, he didn't finish the guy with it...

hardy har har

In all seriousness though I wouldn't claim this for Kali-Silat, (or any other one single grappling style for that matter) as it comes up in most of them, bjj for sure, catch-wrestling, probably in pre-modern judo, sambo I'd bet.
25  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Looking for fighters for stickfighting TV series on: December 17, 2009, 02:39:51 PM
If it comes around again, will you be looking for new fighters or just going with the previously selected ones?
26  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: MMA Thread on: December 06, 2009, 02:48:47 PM
While I think that they should be allowed, and I do think Hamill was clearly going to lose whether or not Jones landed those elbows, I'm glad that Jones was disqualified because he did end the fight with a foul, the rules are there for a reason and I'm glad there followed.

and I think there is another reason they dont want downward elbows, I'm not sure if its illegal to attack the spine (i've seen people attempt twisters) but if you end up sprawling on a guy I think they don't want people throwing downward elbows to the spine as those have potential for serious injury.  Whether or not they should allow them to the spine is up for debate but that may have been an influence on the rule as well.
27  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: MMA Thread on: December 05, 2009, 11:53:46 PM
Well, I'm not as serious a student of the show as you, perhaps I was being a bit glib, , , and certainly I have to back up now , , ,

Hat tip to Frankfurter for spotting Nelson from the beginning.  I did not.



lol I had to look up all the past finalists on wikipedia but I knew there were some much poorer ones than Roy, just thought I'd give the evidence to back up my post right away.
28  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: MMA Thread on: December 05, 2009, 11:24:45 PM
I admit to having been sucked into the soap opera--  from the coaches on down (contender status for all time worst TUF coach to Rampage;  worst ever levels of conditioning; possible worst fighter ever in the finals (Nelson) strange denouements (both Kimbo and Big Baby) and more-- what a fascinating study in human behavior.



You really think Nelson was the worst fighter ever in the finals? I think thats a little harsh, even without the hindsight that he won the finale tonight.

Josh Haynes lost to Bisping in the finals of season 3, I'd argue Roy is better than him.

Manny Gamburyan also fought in the finals, and I'd argue that Roy is a better fighter than Stephan Bonnar too.

He might look like the worst fighter (although Josh Haynes might have him beat there too) but I think there have been alot worse guys in there. Plus he was introduced as a kung fu fighter, and that comedy has gotta be worth at least something.

This whole season was garbage though, especially rampage and Rashad, why trash talk each other face to face if your not going to actually fight, I guess the idea is it boosts ratings but after the 9th time I'd rather be watching commercials than that.

Also on the subject of the finale, I'm glad that Jon Jones lost by disqualification he was clearly the superior fighter, but he committed an obvious foul and I'm glad they followed the rules and DQ'd him.
29  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Daily Expression of Gratitude on: October 16, 2009, 02:05:28 PM
Grateful work is done for the week, that there's people out there who invent awesome things like the inverted de la riva gaurd, grateful I get to train that tonight, and grateful for possible flip cup tournament tommorow.
30  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Legal issues in MA instruction on: October 13, 2009, 02:14:49 PM
Actually the trend lately has been judges (specifically the supreme court of canada) are becoming more and more involved in the law MAKING process.

Which by definition isn't really there job, we elect politicians to legislate bills and judges interpret and enforce these laws when issues arise and things aren't clear.

It's a really tricky situation as judges in canada aren't elected but appointed, by the prime minister (supreme court judges) and he's likely to pick judges who are partisan to his politics, then these judges are going about impacting what the laws are through their rulings.

The best example is gay marriage in Canada, it was deemed unconstitutional by the supreme court, as they decided it was in violation of the rights of homosexual people, and the law changed because of it.

IMO judges are supposed to be interpreters of the law, and to make decision based on what the laws ARE, not change laws, or impact them based on your decisions.

We elect people to put the laws the majority of us want in place, these appointed judges shouldnt be changing what our elected leaders have provided for us.

It's a two sided coin but I really feel this trend has got to stop and judges need to go back to making judgements based on the law that exists.

Hopefully, we won't see anyone pursuing an agenda and trying to change the laws of canada, hopefully the waiver is honored, the judgement is given in the way the law deems it should be, and the judge does his job.

On the other hand, he could be pro-martial arts? Who knows.
31  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Legal issues in MA instruction on: October 12, 2009, 09:32:59 AM
Forgive my candor, and said with love, but , , , don't be silly-- of course you should be able to sign away rights.  That's what contracts are!

If the BC Supreme Court is what its name implies  (and sometimes court names are not, e.g. in NY State) then this would seem to be a serious decision of consequence.  Amongst the consequences are either an end to children's martial arts classes and/or their castration into meaningless drivel for the sheeple.

Crafty Dog, esq.

Your exactly right, of course we should be able to sign away our rights.  But in my original post I said `no one should be able to sign away YOUR rights`

Now I don`t personally believe that but in the original post I was just saying I recognize both sides of the argument.  I just think that particular argument happens to be ridiculous.

I also agree that parents (until a certain age obviously) should have the right to sign away their kids rights.

As far as the B.C. Supreme Court goes, they are a provincial court, which is subject to its own appeals court, if the appeal goes through, the complainant can usually (there are certain cases where they aren`t allowed to continue)  take it to the supreme court of canada (federal) and they will make a decision. However the supreme court can only hear so many cases and it may not get chosen so the appeals court decision may stand.

I think the complainant in this case is fighting an uphill battle, I cant cite specific cases but I`m pretty sure precedent through case law exists with cases involving childrens rights and their parents wishes concerning alot of religous cases particularly when it comes to medicine (i.e. you can`t give my kid a lifesaving blood transfusion because its against my religion).

In the grand scheme of things I know the implications can be HUGE (if I`m on this board I appreciate what martial arts does for people) but I really dont think it will get that far.  I think the courts will realize that waivers are a major tool society uses and will uphold the long standing practice of parents being able to sign away their childs rights for most things.  Its not just martial arts that use waivers, rock climbing, soccer, football, baseball, etc.... but also school field trips, dog brothers training camps, waivers are everywhere and I don`t think they are going away because of one unfortunate accident.  After all, unfortunate accidents are the reason we have them in the same place.


Okay time to make a turkey (canadian thanksgiving).
32  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Legal issues in MA instruction on: October 11, 2009, 11:13:34 PM
We talked about alot of this type of stuff in alot of my university classes and most ridiculous stuff like this gets thrown out.

Yes on one hand no one should be able to "sign away" your rights.... but on the other hand, common sense says this lawsuit is fucking retarded.

Usually common sense wins out in these types of cases. Usually.
33  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Looking for footage on: October 08, 2009, 10:14:38 PM
Talked to Rene today about it.

Thanks guys.
34  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Looking for footage on: October 07, 2009, 09:58:32 PM
ttt,

anyone?
35  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: MMA Thread on: October 07, 2009, 09:57:27 PM

I'm not sure about his technical fighting ability but the dude is a BEAST.  One of the, if not the most successful and decorated strongman competitors ever but also athletic in a way that many of them are not.  While he wasnt always the strongest (straight brute strength) he was always quicker, more agile, had better endurance and just overall more athletic than most of the guys.  He didnt weigh as much as the rest of his competition but he had all of these extra gifts. And even though he might not have had the most brute strength he was usually second or third in that category as well.

I'd compare him to brock lesnar in the same way that he's got insane strength and athleticism, although Pudz is probably stronger and a little bit less athletic.

If he can fight, actually even if he can't fight, he'll most likely do very very well.
36  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: New Member Needs Advice on: October 05, 2009, 03:42:10 PM

I'm not sure of Crazy Cossacks experience, but from my experience, I've seen plenty of guys go from the gathering to the hospital,  plenty of guys knocked out cold, cut,(in need of stitches) ect, ect.
I personally have broken a knuckle. feel fortunate thats the worst for me, though I have been clobbered pretty severly from time to time. rolleyes
...I guess we could conclude pain is relative. cheesy
                                             C-HD

Your probably much much more experienced than me, thats maybe why my recollection is it's not so painful, I've only ever had 3 full contact stickfights so take my advice for what it's worth.

Also pain is relative but note I put its not as painful as it LOOKS, that doesnt mean its not very painful, just that I would say typically it looks like it hurts more than it does. cause it does look like it hurts alot.
37  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: New Member Needs Advice on: October 04, 2009, 07:35:05 PM
I'd just like to dispel the myth that if your out of shape you can't start taking mma/bjj/krav maga classes because you will die in the first fifteen minutes. I've trained for over 4 years at a mma/bjj/boxing gym and we get someone in at least once a month who can't finish the warmups.

So what we do is we all take turns kicking the shit out of him and forcing him to sprint, do bearcrawls, and burpies for hours until his heart explodes because we're all invincible ninjas and like to show it.

In reality, we realize people come in all different shapes sizes and fitness levels, if someone starts the warmup and doesn't finish usually nothing is said to them, we just accept it and carry on.  If something is said then it'll be a positive thing (maybe after a few times you tell them to "keep it up" or something like that to try to push them a little bit).  Then we'll start technique portions of the class, usually they'll start up again, and if they are up to it they will drill, train, roll for as long as they can.  I've never seen, or heard of someone called out, or put down about their weight or poor fitness level at the gym. I've heard lots of stories about bigger guys losing 40 or 50 pounds since they started training jiu-jitsu, I've never heard a story like that though from the guy who never showed up.

As for the stickfighting portion its going to be very hard if you don't have a training partner, I know from experience that its really hard to do drills alone and stuff like that.  

As far as the balls for stickfighting things... In my experience it's not nearly as painful as it looks.
38  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Looking for footage on: September 28, 2009, 02:02:49 PM
I was wondering if anyone, out there, some way, some how, had any video footage of the 3 stick fights I had at the Toronto DBMA training camp.

I've been trying to convince people from my Jiu-Jitsu/MMA gym to seriously consider stick fighting and most of them have told me they'll try it as long as they've seen me do it.  (I think because I'm a "real" person, and if they see someone they know doing it, it becomes easier to do).

I know a few people had cameras out that day and if anyone's got any footage of my fights, I'd love to get it, so hopefully I can get some new training partners (so far I've been starved for them).

Anyway, it was the Toronto DBMA training camp, I was wearing black shorts (nike I believe), black shoes, and a black shirt with white writing and logos on it, shirt would say Joslins MMA and I think Alliance Jiu Jitsu symbol on the side.  I had 3 fights, all single stick.

If anyone out there has footage of this I'd really like it.

Thanks to anyone who can help.
39  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Guro Crafty Saturday class on: July 19, 2009, 02:02:37 PM
Didn't Aristotle come to the conclusion that happiness can only be achieved by a truly virtuous person, and that the greatest and true virtue was contemplation. I would think he'd put a pleasurable (fun) training session in a different category than the pursuit of happiness or achieving happiness.  While we all know that training sessions, especially with great teachers, may be enjoyable, I wouldn't say Aristotle would include stickfighting practice as contemplation.

Just a thought.
40  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: toronto dbma training camp featuring Crafty Dog, Top Dog and Sled Dog Aug 21-23 on: June 03, 2009, 05:56:46 PM
This sounds awesome,

How many seminars/classes are planned over the course of the weekend?  And any idea on what they'll be covering?
41  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: September 20, 2009 Gathering on: April 16, 2009, 04:16:25 PM
Thanks for the help, now I guess I'm waiting on hearing from one of the people in and around Toronto for more info.
42  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: September 20, 2009 Gathering on: April 13, 2009, 08:00:57 PM
looks like we have 5 people coming from toronto in sept.



Toronto?

Where in Toronto, I'm in Hamilton and haven't found anyone at all interested in stickfighting, (well some were interested until it came time to actually do it....).

-- More info please?
43  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Need an opinion on: March 19, 2008, 11:51:24 AM
Theres an argument on another message board about what constitutes self defense and the dog brothers were brought up.

Throughout the discussion Matt Hughes, B.J. Penn and Fedor were all brought up as people who would lose if they were to fight a dog brother one on one without rules. (The dog brother would be allowed to have a stick, and said MMA fighters would be unarmed).

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/showthread.php?t=27129

Thats a link to the thread.

I'm curious to see what you guys think.
44  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Stickfighting video game on: June 23, 2006, 08:30:55 AM
While I think this would be a cool game... its just like any other game you could get out there, with the novelty of a recognizable (to you) name.

How many people know about the dog brothers, maybe theres alot, but not nearly enough to appeal to any video game company looking to make a buck (and thats what there trying to do) by making a game about stickfighting.  When they could make the exact same game and call it "Lord of the Rings Fighter" or something like that, and use much more recognizable characters.  This game would appeal to a far far greater amount of people than a dog brothers game.  Even if it was something as simple as the characters you could play, and where you were fighting.

(Middle Earth as opposed to.... Earth...)


Furthermore, I think if the Dog Brothers lent there name to a video game, I really think they'd be whoring themselves out, and I would lose almost all respect I have for them.
45  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Defanging the snake lost? on: March 31, 2006, 07:36:26 PM
Okay thanks for clearing that up.

I train using the type of gloves you described, mountain biking gloves actually.

I could have sworn I heard about or saw hockey gloves somewhere, glad its not in The Gatherings though.

Thanks again.
46  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Defanging the snake lost? on: March 31, 2006, 11:23:11 AM
Does the idea of defanging the snake become lost in full contact stickfighting when you wear such heavy gloves (hockey gloves etc). I've always thought this idea was one of the best the FMA had, but with the gloves does its effectiveness drop?

Is it really "real" contact stickfighting if you add hand protection which almost negates the whole idea of defanging the snake.

I understand you can still hit the wrist, forearm, elbow, etc... But do the gloves take the emphasis off the hand as the primary target?
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