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1  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Media, Ministry of Truth Issues, Wash Post fact check Russian Uranium deal on: October 26, 2016, 09:50:20 AM

The questioned whether Trump had proof that the Secretary of State had any involvement with a highest level, national security decision that was made by her department.  I would hope she did.  Good grief.

This has become a common theme to anything Hillary has had something (or should have had), to do with.

It is a legal defense. Plain and simple.

It is much easier to defend incompetence than mens rea, which is needed in almost any crime. They make her seem stupid and incompetent on purpose. She is anything but.
2  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: No corruption here. Move along folks. FBI tried to cover Obama's tracks. on: October 26, 2016, 09:28:58 AM

Even though he lies and gets caught all the time, this one is a big deal.  It explains why they didn't prosecute her.

His personal and political mis-use of the agencies, Fast and Furious - ATF, Attorney General, IRS targeting - IRS Commissioner, and now this, FBI, Dept of Justice, comprises RICO level crimes and impeachable acts.

To the Lois Lerner's in the agencies who know, you can come forward and tell us what you were directed to do and by whom or you can be prosecuted as part of the corruption conspiracy.

If it isn't treason, I'd like to know what is. The double standards are absurd. There are so many cases, of so many, doing so much less, and sentenced away for so long, that how any of this isn't a slap in the face to the entire country, is just incredible.

It seems, the Achilles heel of the United States has been found. It also points out that the founding fathers were correct... wise men, well beyond their time.
3  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: VDH is the one who is most in touch on: October 25, 2016, 01:48:01 PM
Getting along, reaching across the aisle , get government working again, getting things done sounds nice.

Sounds nice to who? Not to people who value the Constitution and find it to be the ideal standard of guaranteed rights, not some "work of fiction."

Folks it is over.   We have lost unless by some miracle Trump pulls this out.

That's a lie. Clinton doesn't have half of the support her purchased media states. Neither her nor Kaine can fill a high school gymnasium, and Trump routinely pulls in 10's of thousands of people to his events.

Try again.
4  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential on: October 25, 2016, 01:43:06 PM
"We have lost unless by some miracle Trump pulls this out."

Far from the truth. Even with the machines in Cook County, Illinois, and Counties in Texas, switching votes to Democratic picks, due to "calibration errors," Hillary has only half the support Trump does.

Anything other than that is a bold faced lie and media misrepresentation.
5  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Law Class Discussion Regarding High Levels of Corruption. on: October 23, 2016, 09:41:54 PM

Now Hillary continues to break the law.  Nothing here folks move along:

I brought this up yesterday in one of my law classes.

Turns out, the only ones who can really punish Obama, Clinton, Comey, etc., when they have that much power and Congress refuses to prosecute, is the National Secretary of Defense or a General. We all obviously know where that would go, but when the entire snake is corrupt (and it is), that is one of only two remaining options.

I just thought I would bring that up.
6  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Podesta admits to polling fraud on: October 23, 2016, 09:38:35 PM

I won't say anything in terms of what I have had to say about the polls, other than they are trash. I'll end it there.
7  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential on: October 21, 2016, 05:16:37 PM
I wonder how many times Stalin was brought up on charges while Lenin was in power.
8  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Why are we so cynical? to think that Hillary is going to on: October 21, 2016, 05:14:57 PM
be the one playing ("bringing us together" and "bridges not walls")  the Holy high ground here.

The following article is just so outrageous.   And so Clintin/Obameasque.   The crimes and coverup is so much worse than anything Nixon did and yet the MSM helps her over the Presidential finish line.  They speak of Trump's character but what about the character of a criminal that has no integrity to drop out of any race for public office and POTUS who also helps her.  

NO system is not rigged.  rolleyes  No Trump should promise up front to accept the results of an election.  rolleyes And yes we should trust our government, and the media.  rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes
And the worst part is many Bush and Neocon Republicans agree by defacto voting against Trump.  Did anyone see MEg Whitman running to shake Hillary's hand and tell her how wonderful she was after the 3 rd debate.  What a loser she is.      angry

My brother and I grew up in Iowa. When our parents divorced, we moved to Los Angeles.

You see the guys on the streets playing the shell game. The best thing to do is not get involved. If the guys operating the shell game get to close.... you bash them right in their flipping nose... hard. Really hard. Repeatedly... this was a lesson I've learned in other places too, and it's always the same exact thing and process.

You don't play, because you already should know what you're going to get. If you have to play, you'd better win.

Once they've set their eyes on you, the only thing left to do is let them know that involving themselves with you was a mistake.

Sun Tzu---- 1 or 10,000... same thing.

That is what this election is.

Democratic-Socialists don't care what their leaders do. They care about achieving their means, the ends justifying the means.

Diplomacy? Mob rule. Foreigners allowed voices, so long as they favor the right side statistically.

We're already guessing which shell the ball is under, and soon, it will be time to cough up the $20 or punch the guy in the nose.

Sorry if that's over simplistic, but that is what it is.
9  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential on: October 20, 2016, 01:46:37 PM
It doesn't matter who wins at this point.

The United States has suffered a marital argument from which, there is no recovery.

Vote rigging in terms of machines, lack of paper ballots and resistance from the Left everytime voter ID comes up.

There is no fixing this, this time around. Smart people already know it.

Whoever wins, the other side (just as Gore has), will contest the vote, feel cheated (and with good reason, congressional hearings on the matter not being the least of them), and will never accept the other side as their leader.

This ends in either a divided republic or a Trump presidency, and even if Trump wins, the country is so balkanized, that it cannot be fixed, due to the disparity in political ideology.

Whether that division is peaceful or not is another matter.
10  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Last 2016 Presidential Debate on: October 18, 2016, 09:05:52 PM
I grew up playing chess, with a master chess player.

If I'm Trump tomorrow, I would tell Hillary Clinton that she needs to withdraw from the election. Between the DNC and Sanders, the corruption, the fact that she can't remember, and now this, there's a very good case to be made.

It is obvious that Clinton will not withdraw, but with the mountains of evidence from Wikileaks, from her servers, from the DNC, from the presidential election, being racist, voting machines, Democratic resistance to voter Id's, labeling Americans as "deplorables," all of which show a callous disregard for the guaranteed rights of every American, and Trump can use it to guarantee at least a stalemate should Clinton be "declared" the victor.

There is no denying Democratic resistance to voter Id's and poll rosters being purged.

There is no denying that voter machines are flawed and controlled by outsiders.

There is no denying that Clinton, at every turn, has been inundated with controversies.

There is no denying that her honesty or memory (one or the other), are faulty.

There is no denying that she is pandering to Hispanics in Spanish.

There is n denying that even after Wasserman-Schultz was found to be lacking morals, she still hired her... immediately.

There is no denying the media sent 96% of their contributions to Democrats and are bought, as are the polls.

If I'm Trump, tomorrow night is the night I try to win it all, or fracture the country (and it may well need to be fractured at this point).

The worst he can walk away with is a stalemate and half of the country under his leadership, and with the amount of doubt in the voting machines and the dishonesty shown by the Democrats, calling the election results into question, at this point, isn't unreasonable.
11  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Dylan - hero of the LEFT - so he wins Nobel on: October 18, 2016, 02:21:37 PM
"I just want to know, why it is, that none of these leftist heroes ever give away all of their cash, to go live in poverty, in one of the places like the one they want to turn the US into?


DDF nails it.  The power and validity if questions like that make it hard for liberals and moderates to hang with us on this board.  You might be held to explain something like that.   Are prominent actors and musicians moving to Venezuela where their policies are fully in place?  And where can conservatives move?  Most of the rest of the world is worse, so to make things more equal, we copy them.

I also don't know how leftist ir how political Bob Zimmerman (Dylan) is.  With "how many times must the cannon balls fly Before they're forever banned" he perhaps invented the freeze movement and unilateral disarmament before John Lennon invented one world open borders, but in his own words he was a musician, not a political activist.
The 'how many times' refrain also applies to giving Nobel peace prizes to likes of the Arafat, Carter, Gore, Obama and Dylan without diminishing the good brand name.

Liberty isn't that sexy enough for popular songs - although "Hamilton" has people singing about the constitution and the federalist papers.

Personally, I went from making almost 100K a year, to 10,000 pesos a month, changing countries, based on principle, and I'm a capitalist.

Dylan calling himself a "musician" and not a "political activist?" Only to shield himself from scrutiny as was just levied, because they know what happens.

Currently writing a thesis, on the origins of government, property, and law. In it, I examine everything from the paleo-indian migration (3 waves), the origin of writing systems, the implementation of law, of all forms, and I'm currently investigating so called "socialist success stories." Quick read of that chapter? There are none that I have found yet, and the ones that are hld up, as to be success stories aren't truly socialist, and the people supporting this form of ideology, don't believe in freedom and believe rights to come from enacted law, and not the other way around. The supporters of socialism, also are invariably bureaucrats from socialist countries, or people that have never lived in one.
12  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc. on: October 18, 2016, 02:10:48 PM
The Clinton underlings explain in detail, how they intend to commit and get away with voter fraud.

13  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Proof of the Democratic Consiracy to Commit Voter Fraud - 2016 Presidential on: October 18, 2016, 02:08:37 PM
In which people that aren't citizens can be registered to vote, denying American's their right to sovereignty.

14  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Dylan - hero of the LEFT - so he wins Nobel on: October 17, 2016, 11:24:26 PM
Stolen song lyrics aside Dylan is not a genius of literature.  I have said many times Katherine's songs are clever and she can write endlessly every day.  She is a genius at doing that.  But her lyrics ain't Shakespeare!   And neither are Dylan's or who ever he lifted them from.   But the main point is this Nobel is just another example of how the LEFT congratulates itself to the what would have been a laughable degree.  Like giving Brock a Nobel because he scammed his way to the Presidency.    The Nobel Prize is not what it used to be.  May be in sciences.  Not in peace and obviously not in literature . Did anyone see the feminists mad because no women received a Nobel in the sciences this year?  What ?  A few women have to be thrown in just because we need gender diversity?

I just want to know, why it is, that none of these leftist heroes ever give away all of their cash, to go live in poverty, in one of the places like the one they want to turn the US into?

15  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential on: October 17, 2016, 09:49:53 PM
You two can sit there and believe the media's polls if you want to. I buy none of it.

I don't know if it's true or not, but I've seen that Reagan was behind 12 points in the polls as well and killed it.

Trumps sells out stadiums... Clinton can't fill a high school gymnasium.

I know you don't like Trump, and that he wasn't favored here. I called that early on. I'm calling this too. Not being arrogant. It's just that numbers of bodies don't lie.

There are far more people in cemeteries that will turn out to vote for Clinton. Also, it's not about the national numbers, it's about the electoral college.

16  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: DNC Violence on: October 17, 2016, 09:47:31 PM
Rigging the Election - Video I: Clinton Campaign and DNC Incite Violence at Trump Rallies

17  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Trump is right, she should be prosecuted on: October 17, 2016, 12:45:50 AM

She should be more than prosecuted. When they're done prosecuting her, and she's convicted....

Mussolini comes to mind.
18  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential on: October 17, 2016, 12:44:03 AM
You two can sit there and believe the media's polls if you want to. I buy none of it.

I don't know if it's true or not, but I've seen that Reagan was behind 12 points in the polls as well and killed it.

Trumps sells out stadiums... Clinton can't fill a high school gymnasium.

I know you don't like Trump, and that he wasn't favored here. I called that early on. I'm calling this too. Not being arrogant. It's just that numbers of bodies don't lie.
19  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Michelle Obama's Speech in New Hampshire - from today on: October 13, 2016, 12:43:13 PM
"It was the last event that I'm going to be doing as first lady for Let Girls Learn and I had the pleasure of spending hours talking to some of the most amazing young women you will ever meet — young girls here in the U.S. and all around the world. And we talked about their hopes and their dreams. We talked about their aspirations. See many of these girls have faced unthinkable obstacles just to attend school. Jeopardizing their personal safety, their freedom, risking the rejection of their families and communities. So, I thought it would be important to remind these young women how valuable and precious they are.

I wanted them to understand that the measure of any society is how it treats its women and girls."

Spoken like the wife of the new head of the United Nations. Nice adjustment to Gandhi's quote as well, assuming women to be inherently "vulnerable."
20  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: 2016 Presidential on: October 13, 2016, 11:48:24 AM
"Trump is going to CRUSH Clinton in November"

From your mouth to Gods ears so to speak.

 I must say his oratory skills are really good.  He is every bit as good as Obama
 and he has been the only Repub who has said things that need to be said and establish goals that need to be set.

We're not far off from the results. I remain confident.

Edit: I'm about to quote Michelle Obama from her speech today, to what seemed to be a packed gymnasium. Her speech has garnered some 554,000 views thus far (not sure why Clinton can't get out of bed). Trump's speech yesterday OTOH, was to some 30,000 people, and has garnered 1.5 million views. We'll see where Michelle's speech sits in view count tomorrow.

Far from wishful thinking.
21  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Security, Executive Protection, Bodyguard, Surveillance issues on: October 13, 2016, 10:25:03 AM
Great article GM.
22  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Trump Repeats Call to Jail Clinton on: October 13, 2016, 09:58:47 AM
"She has to go to jail," he added, to rousing cheers.

"Based on her crimes, she should not be allowed to run for president. It's time for a new direction," he said, to chants of "Lock her up!" from the crowd.

In regard to the allegations cast against Trump, I don't believe any of it. The accusers had years to accuse Trump, including a case that was even thrown out, and only when he runs against someone that has been found to be a criminal, cheat, corrupt and two-faced, does these accusers come forward, especially in regard to the timing of the wikileaks releases and sheer media bandstanding for Clinton.

It tells me almost everything I need to know.

Trump is going to CRUSH Clinton in November. The ratio of support (disregarding the polls that are ALL run by people from the Left), is vastly in favor of Trump.

Any look at facebook, twitter, youtube likes and comments, will quickly give you the following:

Facebook Support:
Trump - 11,367,570 followers
Trump For President - 1,848,693 followers
Clinton - 7,023,564 followers
Clinton For President - 588,356

Twitter Support:
Trump - 12,421,017 followers
Clinton - 9,684,799 followers

Rally Attendance:
Trump - 337,995
Clinton - 13,970

Youtube Channels:
Trump - 69,561 subscribers (Trump allows commenting)
Clinton - 82,540 subscribers (Does not allow comments, because when she has, the response is filled with vitriol & her videos have far more dislikes than likes on average, ) 27K likes to 80,000 dislikes

There is NO WAY, that Trump is receiving this type of support, and losing to Clinton. Even Michael Moore and other leftists have said it.

The polls, just like the media, are doing everything in their considerable power, to elect someone that the Attorney General and Obama have protected, and failing outright rigging the voting machines, they're going to fail.

One interesting aspect of polls and online numbers, is the age factor in regard to elderly, that do not have a large online presence, but who may well heavily favor Trump, and the fact that it is socially "safe" to support Clinton. Here, I myself, have to be careful about how much support I show for Trump, and there are many who are in that predicament, especially since the Left is so quick to brand someone as "racist," "xenophobe," etc.

In fact, I was just called that last night by my sister in law (a Liberal Mexican), and when I asked her what Trump said specifically that was racist, she couldn't quote him, so I quoted him for her. When I explained TPP and what it will really mean to Mexico, once the US economy is gutted and what that will mean to Mexico in terms of money sent back being cut to almost zero, she didn't care, and I am sure, she thinks I am a bad man because of it... and she used to love me. She called me a "pendejo, racist, xenophobe," even after explaining the facts and that it wasn't even her right to have an opinion in the matter.

Thankfully she wields no power over me. How many people are afraid of their bosses finding out they support Trump?

Clinton is going to get smashed in November.

23  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Another great Trump response on: October 10, 2016, 12:24:38 PM
This one was pretty good too:

"Clinton said Lincoln used different arguments with different members of Congress to get them to abolish slavery, calling his tactics “principled and strategic.” She then condemned the hack, saying she believed it was evidence that Russia was interfering in the U.S. election to favor Trump.

Trump hit back, making fun of Clinton for comparing her comments to the actions of Lincoln.

“She lied. Now she’s blaming the lie on the late, great Abraham Lincoln,” Trump said. “Honest Abe never lied. That’s the big difference between Abraham Lincoln and you. That’s a big, big difference. We’re talking about some difference.”

[Hill,  your no Abe Lincoln!]

I agree!

Also..... I think that the fact that every debate moderator this election year, being a liberal (including the upcoming Chris Wallace), should be addressed. Especially when the Commission on Presidential Debates claims to be bi-partisan.
24  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / 2016 Presidential Debate 09 October, 2016 on: October 10, 2016, 09:25:38 AM
By far, the best attack of the night:

“It’s just awfully good that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law in our country,” Mrs. Clinton observed.

“Because,” Mr. Trump replied “you’d be in jail.”

Edit: I chose this specific op/ed piece, because it shows plainly, the Left's contempt of the law when it's one of their own involved, referring to Trump as a "dictator."
25  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / TPP Page Count Breakdown on: October 06, 2016, 03:57:01 PM
Presenting the Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement - 8762 Pages:
  • 148 pages of chapter summaries.
  • 209 pages of attached instruments.
  • 1086 pages of annexes.
  • 7319 pages of laws and spreadsheets.

Kept in secret with the exception of supervised scrutiny and no notes allowed until February 4th of 2016, referring to laws in multiple languages.

The novel "War and Peace" by comparison, is 1440 pages long.
26  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: now that voter fraud is debunked thanks to politicos "fact" check on: October 06, 2016, 11:33:28 AM

And people wonder why half the country is mad?  And no it is not racism xenophobia or any other ism or phobia

I know where this all ends.... history has shown us time and time again.
27  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Trade Issues: (TPP Trans Pacific Partnership and more) on: October 06, 2016, 10:29:25 AM
Excellent points!

BTW, IIRC recently US law/regs were changed so that food that was previously identified as being from China or other countries no longer is so identified.

I updated the preceding post Guru. Two main bills from the Senate (passing in 2010 and 2016) as well as an executive order from Obama from March of this year, all of which grant control to the Federal government, to do what they want, when they want, where they want, however they want to, to whomever they want to. The details are above.

Finishing a page count on the TPP... you have to like it when the chapter summaries put forth by the Whitehouse have a higher page count than the chapter itself...multiple instances of this.
28  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / TPP and Food Safety on: October 05, 2016, 01:20:43 PM
Vietnam, one of the signatories to the TPP, will be processing food, that will be then made available to markets abroad, including the US.

There have already been problems with China and drugs that have made their way into foods and baby products in China, resulting in many people becoming sick and in some cases dying, with products from milk to vegetables to eggs to meat, being affected.

Vietnam has a standard practice within the seafood market, of injecting "CMC," a chemical that they get from China, mix with water to create a gelatinous substance, and inject directly into the shrimp to increase the total weight. The only problem? They don't know exactly what "CMC" is, yet still inject it directly into the shrimp.

For those that don't speak Vietnamese, this video is subtitled and you can see it here:

and here:

What is CMC? Sodium carboxymethyl cellulose. The FDA classifies it as "generally safe" and therefore does not prohibit its use in foods.

The problem is, given China's long and dated history with health problems arising out of their food and chemical industry, can the use of chemical compounds that will ultimately make their way to the American dinner table, be trusted? History has shown that it cannot. Worse, is the fact that foods processed in other countries and sent for export to foreign markets do not necessarily have to disclose the ingredients nor the processing details. Even the choice of simply not purchasing these goods may not be an option given the fact that through minimum trade requirements, which require a country's participation in TPP trade, any available products from one's home country may have been exported to another market (as is the case with high grade beef in Mexico), leaving only the cheaper, imported products available for consumption. The dangers reported here, are just the beginning.

Even the Young Turks touch the subject with "90% of the shrimp consumed by the American public coming from Asia," which is farmed in ponds that have feces and other pollutants, in effect farming the fish in waters that they pump full of antibiotics. The use of a pond has to be discontinued after seven years due to the toxicity of the water.

At every turn, the TPP seems to be incredibly bad for Americans, so much so, that even dissent in signing the bill into law has united politicians across party lines.

EDIT: In searching for the exact legislation that control food ingredient disclosure, I came across a couple of interesting things:

The FDA states that - "Some additives could be eliminated if we were willing to grow our own food, harvest and grind it, spend many hours cooking and canning, or accept increased risks of food spoilage...."

The problem is this: The Federal Government has given itself the right to seize control of food production under the umbrella of the Secretary of Agriculture and Department of Homeland Security.

Executive Order 13603 - signed by Barack Obama March 16th, 2012

"``Food resources'' means all commodities and
                products, (simple, mixed, or compound), or complements
                to such commodities or products, that are capable of
                being ingested by either human beings or animals...."

In the interest of national defense, "in peacetime and in times of national emergency," which to be honest, the interest of a ntion being prepared doesn't seem all that far fetched, until you consider the fact that in the wake of the groundwork Obama (and those before him), have laid, clears the way for this:
  • "The DARK Act, making mandatory GMO labeling ‘illegal,’ has passed the House."

Which leads to this...

  • Safe and Accurate Food Labeling Act

Which was later made a part of S. 794 "A bill to reauthorize and amend the National Sea Grant College Program Act, and for other purposes" which was signed into law by Obama July 29th, 2016. The fact that the Senate stuffed it into another bill to pass it is telling:

"This bill was the vehicle for passage of the Safe and Accurate Food Labeling Act, which is the form it was enacted it. Prior to amendments, the bill regarded defunding Planned Parenthood and the National Sea Grant College Program.

As enacted, the bill created national food labeling standards for "bio-engineered" foods and prohibited the states from mandating their own labeling standards for "genetically engineered" foods."

  • All of which is lobbied for by Monsanto in an attempt to establish a monopoly by and for themselves in regard to GMO's "genetically modified organism(s)."
  • Monsanto GMO's allowed in the TPP in Article 2.19

Many in the past have attempted to discredit this as "conspiracy theories," and often times, they are correct to do so, except when there is a clear pattern. Monsanto technology written into the TPP, with the lobbying for the SAFE act, along with Americans prohibited from growing their own food should the government say so, and they have, in Texas, Missouri, South Dakota, Florida, and other places, being raided by the USDA and Sheriff's Departments, for a variety of reasons.

In the end, the Senate passed Senate Bill S.510, which gives them the express authority to decide what is safe to consume, and the "right" to lord authority over anyone should the FDA have "reason to believe."


 “(j) Exemption for seafood, juice, and low-acid canned food facilities subject to HACCP.—

“(1) IN GENERAL.—This section shall not apply to a facility if the owner, operator, or agent in charge of such facility is required to comply with, and is in compliance with, 1 of the following standards and regulations with respect to such facility:

“(A) The Seafood Hazard Analysis Critical Control Points Program of the Food and Drug Administration."

In the FDA's HACCP plan, they "certify" the producer, thereby negating the need to label the food.

"Answer: If the packaging is only what is minimally necessary in order to facilitate transport to the shore and subsequent unloading (e.g. totes or bulk bins), the operations onboard the harvest vessel would not subject it to the regulation. However, if the harvester places the product in packaging designed for marketing purposes (e.g. wholesale or retail packages or cases), then the operations onboard the vessel constitute "processing", and the vessel is covered by the seafood HACCP regulation."

HACCP being the FDA's method of quality control, they address the subject of additives in detail, regarding both domestic and foreign processing, here:

"Those line entries examined or sampled by FDA are routinely examined or analyzed for microbiological contamination, parasites, decomposition and histamine testing, chemical contaminants (e.g., pesticides, dioxin, methyl mercury, and heavy metals), food and color additives, filth, mold, foreign objects, unapproved new animal (aquaculture) drugs, packaging, and labeling."

Basically, if the FDA approves it, it doesn't need to be labeled.

Noteworthy is the fact that the FDA has banned substances that have been found in fish; yet, still allow imports:

"In China, several antibiotics have been found in farm-raised fish such as tilapia, including leuco-malachite green, which FDA banned for aquaculture use in 1983 because of “serious toxicity.” Three-quarters of the tilapia we eat in this country comes from China."

Also from the same article, the National Fisheries Institute, whom I have personally worked with in the Bering Sea, along with NOAA, naturally claim that they do an excellent job certifying that everything is safe and caught in accordance to law. Observers working for them, are bright, liberal in nature; therefore, generally care about their jobs, but with the amount of hours worked (round the clock shifts), and with the minimal number of observers, they miss a lot (fillets being dropped on the ground (where chemicals for cleaning boots has been tracked about) and put back into the boxes, and in a worse case scenario, the FDA can simply proclaim the food "safe for consumption."

Getting back to S510 and people growing their own food, Glenn Beck and Fox News addressed the subject of people growing their own food or transferring foodstuffs, noting that people per the bill can indeed, legally be prevented from growing their own food by law.

Without turning this into a survivalist/prepper issue, the above legislation has:

  • Removed the authority from each state in terms of product labeling and given it to the Federal government in S.764, the author of which, specifically calling the States' rights a "patchwork" of legislation, to which his bill was "infinitely better."
  • Granted the Federal government the means to remove checks and balances by designating control over food in Executive Order 13603, effectively removing itself from the checks and balances of Congress and clearing the way for the TPP to assume legal authority by means of international treaty.
  • Given the Food and Drug administration total control to decide when packaging needs to reflect the contents of food if the decide it would present a danger to consumers, in S.764 and given themselves the power to enforce that which consumers can provide for themselves or others in S.510.

There is much to be made of all of this. It is a federal grab of power, globalization, the epitome of a "nanny state," in which, people that shun the legislation can be and are both punished, and forced into cooperation.

Again, in the words of the FDA, "some additives could be removed," but they didn't say "all additives." The FDA determines what you should consume, how much, and whether you should even know whether you are cognizant of it or not.

The way it is.
29  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: VP debate on: October 05, 2016, 10:46:27 AM
Republicans seem happy with Pence.  But what about undecideds that is the key?  Personally I didn't think Pence was quite forceful enough or convincing enough to win over undecideds. 
For example,
Just saying tax cuts and deregulation is ok with me but that ain't gonna grab undecided voters while Kaine kept at it with the gigantic tax write off Trump can take that most other people have no comparable ability to do.
I don't think he was convincing to undecideds.

And the CNN moderator  had 2 *hit* follow up  questions near the beginning of the debate ala Lester Holt and the rest of the CNN crew but I heard zero comparable *hit* questions to Kaine. 

I saw two people that I know are liberals (very liberal), express their like of Pence over Kaine. At this point, I think people for the most part are decided. I saw someone mention that Clinton could throw babies off of the top of a building, and her supporters still wouldn't care. Trump supporters, due to hatred of Hillary and what she has done and stands for, same thing almost, except Trump hasn't done anything that costs people's lives, hasn't deliberately destroyed property of Americans in the way of government documents, denying those Americans their right through the FOIA to see what they contained, but I'm preaching to the choir.
30  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Survivalist, Prepper/prepping issues on: October 05, 2016, 10:25:47 AM
 grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
31  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Guccifer 2.0's hack of the Clinton Slush Fund on: October 05, 2016, 10:22:43 AM
Nice detail about the big banks who received big money from the TARP program are big Clinton Slush Fund donors.

DDF, to help future use of the Search function, please make good use of the Subject line.  TIA

Will do PGC. I'm decompressing the files from the last links on the page. It's taking a while because the files are huge. Thus far, Pelosi has shuffled $77,500 to the Clinton Foundation. Meeting notes from Pelosi's office manager teleconferencing with LGBT personnel and others, but one thing I did find, was the amount of dues that they set as goals for fundraising, with individual members required to produce in some cases $300,000 annually.
32  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Trade Issues: (TPP Trans Pacific Partnership and more) on: October 05, 2016, 09:07:23 AM
Very glad to see this getting some serious attention. 

Doing my best to process it PGuru Crafty. It's a lot. It's also one of the reasons that I don't think a lot of the media is talking about it, because it's so cumbersome and overreaching, that to write something critiquing all of the problems with it, would itself be a small book if done properly.

Kind of like Obamacare, we have to pass it to see what's in it.

Exactly. Exactly how it was done as well. I read Obamacare. It took me about a week. At what point exactly, will these politicians get punished, for not reading legislation that they're voting on?

Pelosi's own statement that is quoted here, is a sure reference, that she herself failed to read the legislation, or she would have had solid points with which to sway naysayers.
33  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Yahoo scanned for the Feds on: October 05, 2016, 08:48:32 AM

If I had a nickel for everytime the Left has brought up Bush and emails this election season, as a defense to Clinton and Obama.
34  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Guccifer 2.0's hack of the Clinton Slush Fund on: October 05, 2016, 08:44:23 AM
Guccifer 2.0 hacked Clinton foundation.

Assange dropped the ball, but another hacker picked it up and ran with it.
35  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Trade Issues: (TPP Trans Pacific Partnership and more) on: October 05, 2016, 08:41:43 AM
Very glad to see this getting some serious attention. 

Doing my best to process it PGuru Crafty. It's a lot. It's also one of the reasons that I don't think a lot of the media is talking about it, because it's so cumbersome and overreaching, that to write something critiquing all of the problems with it, would itself be a small book if done properly.
36  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Trade Issues: (TPP Trans Pacific Partnership and more) on: October 04, 2016, 09:07:55 PM
If only it was funny. He's got a spot waiting at the head of the UN for himself.

"If you like your country, you can keep your country".

I didn't notice it, but Obama has chosen to skim read the full text for you.

Here you go.

At the very bottom of the page, is the link to the full text.

Interesting is that Obama is assuring Americans, that he is "leveling the playing field for American workers & American businesses," and "putting" American workers, businesses, and values, "first."
37  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / TPP Labor Policies and What They Mean to Americans on: October 04, 2016, 05:34:41 PM linked from the Whitehouse site -

TPP Labor Policies and What They Mean to Americans

The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) claims to "level(s) the playing field for American workers and American businesses," but how?

They claim to do so by cutting 18,000 taxes other countries place upon American goods, which will "make sure American farmers, ranchers, manufacturers, service suppliers, and small businesses can compete — and win — in some of the fastest growing markets in the world." What isn't brought to the public eye, are the minimum wages (or complete lack of them) in the other participating countries:

(all units in USD per hour, unless otherwise specified and have been converted as of the date of this writing):

Australia - $13.48 Hourly -

Brunei - No minimum wage - $500 MONTHLY -

Canada - $7.92 - $9.85 depending upon province -

Chile - $391 - $409 MONTHLY - wage increase in effect until 2018 -

Japan - $7.58 -

Malaysia - $240 MONTHLY -

Mexico - $0.47 Hourly (That isn't a typo) -

New Zealand - $10.99 -

Peru - $251.18 MONTHLY -

Singapore - $3493.98 MONTHLY -

United States - $4.00 - $11.50 in special circumstances, $7.25 Federal norm -

Vietnam - $156.90 MONTHLY -

It is important to note, that while Australia works a 38 hour work week, many countries work a 48 hour work week, Mexico and Peru being amongst the countries that have a six day work week. Workers in the US average roughly 1748 hours worked per year; whereas, in Mexico, the average is 2228 hours worked per year, a full 21.5% more labor hours produced by Mexicans and paid at more than 15 times less than the American worker is paid. Where the work will go is obvious, and in fact, it already has. The TPP will just open the floodgates and remove control from American voter's hands.

The claim that this will "level the playing field," is accurate, but not for Americans. Americans will suffer greatly, because while the TPP does open the door to foreign markets, that door is open both ways. Also, the United States is relinquishing control of the internet, which it has controlled since its inception, as well as losing sovereignty in the process, cutting the power and and stifling the voice of the American people, by wresting firmly in the hands of an international community, the reins of control, hardly a position any superpower with their self interest and survival in mind, would cede to another governing body.

The TPP proclaims to mandate laws that will stabilize minimum wages, and in fact, to an extent, they do, whilst enforcing control over a plethora of other items that they also feel the need to govern:

"TPP has the strongest protections for workers of any trade agreement in history, requiring all TPP Parties to adopt and maintain in their laws and practices the fundamental labor rights as recognized by the International Labor Organization (ILO), including freedom of association and the right to collective bargaining; elimination of forced labor; abolition of child labor; and the elimination of employment discrimination. It also includes commitments, again required for all TPP Parties, to have laws governing minimum wages, hours of work, and occupational safety and health. All these are fully enforceable and backed up by trade sanctions.

The most important point that needs to be made, is the utter loss of freedom and control. It must also be stated, that while controlling wages (even from a liberal, unionist perspective) must be a good thing, the logic is flawed. Here is how:

Each of the 12 signatories have operated economic systems independent of each other for decades, if not centuries. Each party member has their own currency, banking system, government, all of which, control a number of factors. Everything from exchange rates, interest rates, housing prices, food prices as well as the amount even paid for electrical power (in Mexico for example, the government subsidizes heavily the amount its citizens pay for electricity), all fall within the scope of this, which is to say, that an American couple that have taken out a thirty year mortgage on their home, and perhaps even a 2nd mortgage, and paying $1000 a month for gasoline, light, and food, will now need to compete against a person from another country, that lives in government housing, pays no electrical bills, and survives off of 15 pesos (75 cents) of food per day. There is no possible way to implement the TPP without ripping the homes and livelihoods out of the people that live in the nations that have had traditionally had a higher gross national product.

NAFTA has already signaled a staggering trade deficit with just Canada and Mexico, losing more than a million jobs in the process, and now the intent is to include more nations, that make less than Americans do, increasing the competition against Americans and American products, which cost more to produce, that can't be afforded by someone who makes less, and giving away national sovereignty to achieve this?

This speaks nothing to the additional pain induced when one considers the fact that  unskilled labor will not be the only jobs America is losing. TPP has also made broad strokes to be able to send intellectual property abroad, and bring lower paid workers to the United States, in order to do jobs. That portion can be found in the first 6134 pages of the TPP, which i just the preamble and chapters 1 & 2, not including the rest of what they've hidden in the other 28 chapters of it.

If NAFTA was a bad cold, the TPP is Ebola.

38  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: WSJ: Not Obama's to give away on: October 04, 2016, 03:08:47 PM

If the Obama administration wants a simple solution to the Internet-governance mess it created, it should announce that the U.S. will retain its stewardship and support more accountability from Icann to its stakeholders. The open Internet is too important to be abandoned by an administration that thought surrendering the Web would be easy.

But he can't.... because his Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement needs him to give this up too. In fact, he needs to "insure a FREE AND OPEN" internet. His words.

They'll no doubt pass the TPP immediately after the elections, with the bill containing everything from this, to open visas and mandatory export requirements, which also allows for export of labor services.

The bill also specifically allows for sharing of technology and services, also detailing cryptography, and allowing for foreign workers to be imported to any signatory's country.

Being that the bill was kept in secrecy, politicians actually denied access to it, and when granted access, access was supervised, bill signed in February of 2016, and with everything this controls, almost no one is talking about it, but Kardashian's jewelry, insurance scam is international news.

Yeah. You can bet this will pass...even if Trump wins.

Ask yourself, what does giving away control of the internet have to do with establishing trade across the ocean? But it's in there.

They attempt to make a sales pitch for it here -

In which they want to eliminate "cyber squatting:"

"Preventing Domain Name Cyber-Squatting

In an effort to reduce domain name cybersquatting, the TPP ensures that, in connection with a Party’s country-code top-level domain name registration system, appropriate remedies are available in cases of bad faith registration of domain names that are confusingly similar to registered trademarks." - taken from the preceding link.

They can't very well control that if the control does not lie within UN or WTO hands.

From what I have read thus far, in every aspect, they have absolutely sought to diminish the standard of living for Americans, send American jobs (including intellectual jobs), elsewhere, and establish law that overrides US law.

Also interesting is the last sentence of this quote from the same page:

"Enforcement in the Digital Environment

TPP is the first FTA to clarify that IPR enforcement should be available against infringement in the digital environment and not just against physical products. Some countries in the WTO have asserted that existing IP enforcement commitments do not apply online or to digital products.

The author of the page, instead of denouncing the disagreement, immediately follows with:

"TPP takes additional steps toward promoting legitimate digital trade, including the delivery of movies, music, software, and books online. In particular, the ISP copyright safe harbor section helps to provide certainty and predictability about the scope of the safe harbors, as in prior FTAs, while also reflecting the diversity of approaches in the TPP countries, and ensuring that existing effective systems, such as ones upon which rights holders, ISPs, and consumers have come to rely in the course of digital trade, can stay in place. TPP also recognizes the important role of collective management societies for copyright and related rights in collecting and distributing royalties through fair, efficient, transparent, and accountable practices, which promote a rich and accessible digital marketplace for content.

Basically... they are stating directly, that control over everything must remain in international hands. They aren't even hiding it anymore.
39  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Trade Issues: (TPP Trans Pacific Partnership and more) on: October 04, 2016, 02:57:36 PM
I didn't notice it, but Obama has chosen to skim read the full text for you.

Here you go.

At the very bottom of the page, is the link to the full text.

Interesting is that Obama is assuring Americans, that he is "leveling the playing field for American workers & American businesses," and "putting" American workers, businesses, and values, "first."
40  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Trans Pacific Partnership - Preamble and Chapters 1 & 2 on: October 03, 2016, 07:02:27 PM
        I have already posted the points of interest contained in the Preamble, namely;

      ESTABLISH a comprehensive regional   agreement   that promotes economic  integration to liberalise trade.

        BUILD on  their  respective  rights  and  obligations  under  the Marrakesh Agreement Establishing the World Trade Organization

        RECOGNISE further their  inherent  right  to  adopt,  maintain  or  modify health care systems

      In the interest of keeping this short (there are several chapters written that apply to each of the 12 signatories specifically), and gleaning the most important points, this was signed February 4th, 2016 and has not yet been implemented.


      • This chapter attempts to build upon authority claimed by the World Trade Organization (implemented from the Marrakesh Agreement 1994) -  (headquarters in Geneva and supporters of globalization) which has 164 member countries, citing Article XXIV of GATT 1994 and Article V of GATS, effectively taking their decisions from their community and doing away with each country's sovereignty.

      There is much to be stated regarding the criticisms of the WTO, and could by itself, merit an entire investigation to everything they have been accused of. For the purposes of the TPP, it suffices to say that it seeks globalization, and specifically benefits poorer nations in an attempt to standardize wages, laws, and practices throughout each member country. It is written in their policy here:

      "The WTO’s procedure for resolving trade quarrels under the Dispute Settlement Understanding is vital for enforcing the rules and therefore for ensuring that trade flows smoothly."

      and from an essay they themselves have chosen, here:

      "The paper finds that trade liberalization increases overall welfare and provides firms with both new export markets and new sources of competition. Expanding high-paying firms increase wages to recruit better workers at a faster rate. Workers in the firms threatened by competition accept wage cuts to delay their employers’ exit from the market and to keep their job. Using firm-worker data from France, the author shows that, following trade liberalization, inequality initially increases and peaks after three years, but eventually falls back to half of its peak level in the longer term."

      • Article 1.1:  Establishment of a Free Trade Area

      This primarily is dealt with in the chapters relating to each country specifically, but in Annex 1-A, specifically names the highest level of government in each country, thereby levying the force of Federal and State law (inclisive of any territories that lie within the country's control) , and wields its (WTO) "authority," over citizens also defined in Annex 1-A, expressing jurisdiction over the aforementioned in the "definitions" content, anywhere the specific matter may arise within the TPP agreement.



      • "Performance Requirement

      Means that, "a given level or percentage of goods or services be exported;" thereby guaranteeing participation, whether or not it is what is most beneficial to the exporting nation, as well as waivers of customs duties.

      • Repair and Alteration

      Article 2.6 makes clear, that the TPP is not solely for goods being sold, but services as well, including ship repair (unless it has been previously exempted as it has with Canada), but is an important note, because it lends potential control over the amount of work that can be performed in a country, instead of solely over goods, due to the fact that "performance requirements" can be enforced, and not necessarily by the will or good, of a people in any of the signatory countries, that cede control to an international community.

      It also states specifically, that no country may apply a duty to any good that enters the territory temporarily, for the purpose of alteration or repair, thereby, encouraging the export of work to be done, to countries where lower wages are paid.

      It goes on to state, that "repair or alteration does not include an operation or process that transforms an unfinished good into a finished good," which is a misnomer. My own experience from the aerospace industry has given me insight into this.

      Raw materials are continuously exported, or even sent directly to countries that make low wages, whereby, all manufacturing operations will be completed, leaving only the precursory "finish inspection" required, to consider it a "finished good."

      • Article 2.8

      Allows for the duty free import of professional equipment necessary to work in a host country, whilst conducting business activities, specifically mentioning "professional   equipment, including equipment for the press or television, software, and broadcasting and cinematographic equipment, that is necessary for carrying out the business activity,
      trade or profession of a person who qualifies for temporary entry pursuant to the laws of the importing Party." Which means, that people can also potentially come to your country, replacing the job of a citizen of the same country, and that it has been allowed for.

      Article 2.8 Subsection 4 - allows for shipping containers that are "in use or to be used," from anywhere in the world, duty free, and that may be "fully or partially enclosed,"also detailing "more than one mode of transport;" thereby, applying to every mode of transport unless specifically prohibited elsewhere.

      There is actually even more in this section to pick apart, such as "what is being imported, and the fact that it enjoys passage to another "exit port," but I don't want to waste too much time on it. The important portions are mentioned.

      • Import and Export Restrictions

      As listed above in Article 2.8 (I won't mention anything on Article 2.9 - Ad hoc discussions), Article 2.10 allows potentially anything, from anywhere in the world, to be received, duty free, which is perhaps sealed, to which end,  "unless otherwise provided in this Agreement, no Party shall adopt or maintain any prohibition or restriction on the importation of any  good of another Party or on the exportation or sale for export of any good destined for the territory of  another  Party,  except  in  accordance  with  Article XI of GATT 1994  and  its interpretative notes, and to this end Article XI of GATT 1994 and its interpretative notes are incorporated into and made part of this Agreement, mutatis mutandis. While Article 2.11 addresses everything covered in Article 2.10 to be in reference to re-manufactured goods, the concerns for security and logistics are staggering.

      The potential for abuse from this is disastrous, especially from a security perspective. It also mentions that paragraph 3 is specifically in reference to cryptographic goods that have not specifically been altered for government use, but one wouldn't really know whether it has or not, given the nature of cryptography.

      • Openly Seeking to Globalize the Economy in Article 2.18

      Committee will be "addressing barriers to trade in goods between parties," which when referenced to Article 2.17, which specifically states that all parties shall be part of the trade in information technology, could lead to problems with high tech jobs being sent abroad, as well as the inherent security risks associated with that.

      • Monsanto

      The Monsanto giant also has managed to have themselves written into the agricultural agreement in Article 2.19:

      "modern biotechnology means the application of:
      (a)in vitro nucleic acid techniques, including recombinant deoxyribonucleic acid (rDNA) and direct injection of nucleic acid into cells or organelles; or
      (b)fusion of cells beyond the taxonomic family, that overcome natural physiological reproductive or recombinant barriers and that are not techniques used in traditional breeding and selection; and products of modern biotechnology means agricultural goods, as well as fish and fish products, developed using modern biotechnology, but does not include
      medicines and medical products.

      All of this means that the WTO is determining who will eat what, through force of law, and not just in reference to fruits and vegetables, but also manipulating fish. It is possible that this could also lead to the mandatory consumption of cloned animals. It also means that they can export this to any member party, without necessarily disclosing the nature of the product meant for human consumption.

      • Export of Timber

      It allows party members to export timber, without recording the type of timber being sent. I don't know if this is a huge deal. Potential ramifications could be the mass deforestation of timberland and woodlands.

      Interestingly, Vietnam is exempt from having to export timber and in fact, expressly forbids it in their Decree  No.  187/2013/ND-CP; yet, the US (and Canada with an almost identical requirement), on the other hand, and again, I am quoting:

      "Article  2.3.1  (National  Treatment),  Article  2.10.1 (Import  and  Export Restrictions) and Article 2.10.2 shall not apply to:  
      (a) controls on the export of logs of all species;"

      This is a clear case of disparity and probable resource redistribution.

      Initially it appears that five of the signatories have no regulations placed on them at all, but are mentioned in other places, such as Australia's own Tariff Schedule, , which highlights "Australia's commitment to Japan," again, a case of preference between one party member and another, annulling any apparent fairness between all member states, which per WTO guidelines, prohibits any "special favors," but allows it here. This is but one example.

      A bulk of Annex 2-D are the equivalent to excel spreadsheets, with Australia's for example, comprising 445 pages of gibberish (numbers), Brunei's is 344 pages of excel spread sheets, stating when they will eliminate tariffs, on a line by line basis.

      The general note pages from this chapter are roughly between 3-5 pages of general guidelines (Japan's is 20 pages), leading me to believe that the majority of the legislature is microsoft spreadsheets. I will note this again at the bottom of the article, because it may well prohibit people that might have read the law, to not read it, just based on what they perceive the page count to be.

      • Potential Language Issues

      Chapter 2 specifically quotes laws written in language other than English, making anyone not fluent in the language the law being referred to is written in, unclear of what the agreement or law actually is.

      Why is this important? Any politician that will vote on this legislature, needs to have read the correct translations, in their entirety. It is doubtful that has happened.
      Also, should any sitting court ever have to rule on a disagreement, outside of Geneva, they too will have the burden of both translating and studying the law as it pertains to foreign languages and nations. Refer to Annex 2-A of the section:
      "to restrictions pursuant to Article 48 of the Hydrocarbons Law (Ley de Hidrocarburos) published in Mexico’s Official Gazette (Diario Oficial  de  la  Federación)  on  
      August  11,  2014,  on  the  exportation from  Mexico  of  the  goods  provided  for  in  the  following  items  of Mexico’s  tariff  schedule  of  the  General  Import  and Export  Duties Law (Tarifa de la Ley de los Impuestos Generales de Importación y  de  Exportación)  published  in  Mexico’s  Official  Gazette  (Diario Oficial de la Federación) on June 18, 2007 and June 29, 2012," and numerous other laws, some of which pertain to hydrocarbon fuels and of which, may give Mexico an advantage over US competitors, should Mexican fuel be sold in the States, without the tax burdens that US suppliers must bear.

      Also referencing Decree No. 187/2013/ND-CP (a Vietnamese law) and I quote:

      "Nghị định số 187/2013/NĐ-CP của Chính phủ quy định chi tiết thi hành Luật Thương mại về hoạt động mua bán hàng hóa quốc tế và các hoạt động đại lý mua, bán, gia công và quá cảnh hàng hóa với nước ngoài..."

      The point made is clear.


      The Monsanto portion, the loss of service based and high tech jobs, the mandatory import of loaded shipping containers from anywhere in the world and the mandatory minimum requirements of party members, are all serious concerns.


      A bulk of Annex 2-D are the equivalent to excel spreadsheets, with Australia's for example, comprising 445 pages of gibberish (numbers), Brunei's is 344 pages of excel spread sheets, and Canada's is 257 pages, Chile - 291 pages, Japan - 1133 pages, Malaysia - 347 pages, Mexico - 395 pages, New Zealand - 511 pages, Peru - 214 pages, Singapore - 325 pages, US of A - 386 pages, and Vietnam - 1000 pages, stating when they will eliminate tariffs, on a line by line basis.

      Just this accounts for 5648 pages of the legislation, which is nothing more than spreadsheets.

      The general note pages from chapter 2 are roughly between 3-5 pages of general guidelines (Japan's is 20 pages), leading me to believe that the majority of the legislature is Microsoft spreadsheets. I will note this again at the bottom of the article, because it may well prohibit people that might have read the law, to not read it, just based on what they perceive the page count to be.

      This chapter also codifies the trade in vehicles between Japan, Canada, and the United States, but does not have laws that govern Mexico by title as Japan, Canada and the US have.

      Total number of pages covered between the Preamble, Chapter 1 and Chapter 2 = 6134
      To recap - 6134 pages of legislation that Clinton is pushing, to send your job somewhere else, and leave Americans and American students without work in the future. That was just the preamble and chapters 1 &2 of the TPP. There are still have 28 chapters to go, not counting the annexes, and have found thus far, that if you live a little better lifestyle in the US, you better get used to a lower standard of living, because that's exactly what is written in the TPP.

      This concludes anything I will post of the Preamble, Chapter 1, or Chapter 2.[/list]

      Source -
      41  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / A Stupid Question on: October 03, 2016, 02:02:47 PM
      I have a stupid question... a "what if," if you will...

      Suppose that Assange releases something truly damning to Clinton... something that absolutely prohibits her from seeking the presidency...

      Suppose that also, Donald Trump doesn't really want to be president... and said so...after Clinton is found to be ineligible.

      What would happen then? Would both major parties replace their candidates?
      42  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Pre-Modern Manliness, Initiation & the Emasculation of Men In Contempory Society on: October 03, 2016, 10:13:01 AM
      I figured out what the problem is....

      I grew up with grandmothers that spoke German (both of them - one of them from East Germany).... they BOTH had these in their kitchens. They both had big arms that they could crush a man's skull with, and made spätzle like nobody's business. The problem I think, is that women know longer use these or even know what they are, and it is transferred to the children.

      43  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Prayer and Daily Expression of Gratitude on: September 30, 2016, 02:08:53 PM
      Praying the letter I just sent to Governor Jerry Brown is well received and brings about its intended purposes.
      44  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Geographic Media Manipulation on: September 29, 2016, 02:44:47 PM
      Same paper, same dates, different markets. Feeling manipulated yet? Anyone doubt that the media isn't bias geographically? Read the headline under the each photo.
      45  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / The Libertarian and Green Candidates & Why They're 3rd Party on: September 29, 2016, 02:33:35 PM
      Just when you think it can't get any worse, and just when the fourth party is snubbing the third party for failing to name 3 world leaders, this happens:

      Green Party presidential nominee Jill Stein tried to capitalize on Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson flubbing a question on world leaders by listing three figures she liked.
      But none of the ones she listed are leaders of their respective countries.
      A day after Johnson was unable to name a world leader he admired when asked at an MSNBC town, Stein tweeted out a list of her own:

      "Here are a few of my favorite leaders: @ElizabethMay, João Stédile of @MST_Oficial and @jeremycorbyn. #AleppoMoment"

      May, Stédile, and Corbyn, however, aren't technically world leaders, as none holds a top position in their country's government. May is a member of the Canadian House of Commons. Stédile is an economist and member of Brazil's Landless Rural Workers Movement, which he helped found. Corbyn is the leader of the Labour Party in Britain.

      Johnson, sitting with Libertarian vice presidential nominee Bill Weld, was asked by MSNBC's Chris Matthews to "name one foreign leader that you respect and look up to." Johnson couldn't name any.

      "I guess I'm having an Aleppo moment," Johnson said, referring to a previous embarrassing interview he did when he didn't recognize the name of a Syrian city at the center of the country's humanitarian crisis.

      46  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Libertarian and Green candidates on: September 29, 2016, 12:21:25 PM
      Definitely not voting for Johnson. I've gone back and forth on this a few times... Trump started asking Hillary some hard questions yesterday in Iowa and Wisconsin.

      Johnson can't name a foreign head of state that he admires. Dude... He could have said the Dalai Lama and no one would have questioned him at all.

      How do you beg to be included in prime time debates and then not try to learn 6 or 8 names from around the world?

      Johnson couldn't say whether US involvement in WWII was wrong.  

      Agreed with every name you used. Great question.

      Edit: From a strategical standpoint, I wonder how much it would be worth trying to point out Johnson's weaknesses online? More pointedly, what is the real ratio of voters that he is pulling from Clinton and Trump? Have their been any polls that have questioned Johnson supporters, that in a two candidate race, which they would support? If the numbers favor Clinton (from my perspective), maybe it would be worth it to try to make Johnson look good. Have to see about that.

      I don't trust the polls at all, and so I looked - 538 maintains that when third party candidates are included with polls, Trump takes the beating. I still doubt it.
      47  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Survivalist, Prepper/prepping issues on: September 29, 2016, 12:12:39 PM
      What Doug said was key.... about the bear spray, and bears are the only ones I've heard of in trees.

      Still... just like avoiding stupid people, places, doing stupid things... another maxim is "proper prior planning prevents poor performance."

      If you're going into bear country, short of a plane crash, you'd best have a way to defend yourself. Bear spray is awesome. Handguns don't cut it. I lived and worked in Alaska for ten years, and everyone I know carries their longarm and a secondary while out, but the secondary is basically worthless. I also used to have a cabin in Pine Mountain Club, California, which is a hippie-liberal haven rife with black bears, and any serious hiker/outdoorsman, at a minimum carries bear spray.

      If confronted, it is best to either stand your ground, or back away slowly while facing the animal until you can get to safety (that doesn't mean lose sight of the animal). If attacked, play dead, because you're not going win, even with a black bear. The tracks I've seen on my property that I had there, and the size compared to a human, are just huge. The tracks measured easily 8 inches across (no fishing stories) measured every inch of that, with claws about 3 inches long. It would take a man's head right off.

      The 7 "P's." Don't go otherwise.

      Here is a black bear paw print example:

      48  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The war on the rule of law on: September 29, 2016, 12:00:06 PM
      Where's the reset button?

      Everyone that isn't a staunch democrat knows that's probably the only way to fix this, short of a miracle from Trump and the cabinet he assigns, and even that's doubtful, because the GOP has plenty of dirt swept under the rug as well.

      Have to see.
      49  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Libertarian and Green candidates on: September 29, 2016, 11:57:38 AM
      Definitely not voting for Johnson. I've gone back and forth on this a few times... Trump started asking Hillary some hard questions yesterday in Iowa and Wisconsin.

      Johnson can't name a foreign head of state that he admires. Dude... He could have said the Dalai Lama and no one would have questioned him at all.
      50  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: how to survive a bear attack on: September 29, 2016, 12:57:18 AM
      After watching "Backcountry" "Reverant" and "Bear" , 3 bear movies
      I looked this up:
      Forget about outrunning a bear
      Climbing a tree is only good if you have enough time and can get 33 feet or more up.  Brown bears are good climbers and grizzlies can climb to a lesser degree

      If you are being approached don't try to run but stand your ground .  Use the pepper spray
      If you are attack fight back with whatever weapon you can with a black bear and aim for face eyes snout.

      If it is a grizzly better to play possum and curl up in a fetal position and cover your body and neck and head as best you can
      Or if you are a city boy like me - stay in the city.   smiley

      You might want to examine the number of people killed by bears in N. America and compare it to the loss of life from murder in your geographical area. Pretty sure you are in more jeopardy from bipeds in your city.

      You can forget outrunning one. It's better to stand your ground. I used to live in bear country, and have seen them whilst running downhill, jump completely across a two lane road EASILY, and cross a 50 meter field in about two seconds. I haven't seen one in a tree, but they do climb, and for the love of God, never get between a sow and her cubs. You'll die if you do.
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