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51  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Citizen-Police interactions on: December 22, 2014, 07:07:00 PM
I smell whiffs of anarchy. Looks like you all up there are starting to join the party. Stay safe.

A society that declares war on it's police better make friends with it's criminals.

I swim amongst them, I'm probably a rank amateur, and I'm not their friends. I'm doing alright. People need to be more self reliant. That is the issue everyone keeps missing.
52  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The dept. Of inJustice and the war on cops on: December 22, 2014, 07:05:47 PM

Good read. There is a fundamental issue one key point of it though. No one will ever get everyone to "stand in awe" and to fear the armed forces. That just won't happen. Mexico is a wonderful example in that. It's certainly made an impression on me.
53  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Citizen-Police interactions on: December 22, 2014, 06:56:09 PM
I smell whiffs of anarchy. Looks like you all up there are starting to join the party. Stay safe.
54  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: DBMA Web Page as of 10/21/2014 on: October 26, 2014, 08:46:06 AM
I'm honoured. Beyond words really. I hope to represent us well here in Mexico, in terms of government work, the tribe, and personally. My brother's words echo my thoughts and feelings, and Spartan Dog, hoping to see you at the tribal in Europe.
55  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Military Science and Military Issues on: September 25, 2014, 12:13:41 PM
Excellent article. Unfortunately, just as with the Soviet/Afghani war, the best way to counter high tech, is low tech, and to the great disadvantage of any major power, they have governments (and the public behind them), that lack the stomach to win, - in this case, eradicate someone from existence due to the school of thought that is instilled since birth.

Barring that, there is no winning this war because the cost of failure in the afterlife, outweighs that of any earthly suffering.

I do disagree with one point presented. Western powers have never fought these wars in their own land, and while a ground force would certainly win any foreign conflict, one fought daily in one's own streets, with one's own family members being the casulties, that is something that I can't remember happening in any western country, barring Mexico's northern border, south to Bolivia. It changes the way things are done is a persistent problem.

The best strategy perhaps would be to remove all western presence from their countries, allow the crushing weight of their own economic failures to drown them into a state of reasonableness, and answer any aggression on western soil with complete annihilation, letting them know that in advance.

My two cents.
56  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Graphic and on Facebook, but also a moderate Muslim response against these guys. on: September 24, 2014, 08:57:41 PM
Pretty graphic

British Muslim response:

I have to say as to the first link, there are two photos posted on their wall that I am dead certain happened here in Mexico, so it leads me to believe that it is a supporter of their sposting fotos that they have found here and there. Still, the page has some 15,000 likes. How many are supporters, who's to say? The page founders though, I doubt are connected to the violence being that they posted pictures from here.
57  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Science, Culture, & Humanities / Re: Worst case scenario for Ebola 1.4 million? on: September 23, 2014, 12:48:05 PM
That depends if it is "helped" along by means other than nature and people's will (or lack thereof), to control the flow of people entering and exiting countries. Even then, with all of the ill will in place these days, regardless of side, Ebola will run its course. It matters not. Enjoy the moment.
58  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The Enemy's propaganda on: September 23, 2014, 12:32:30 PM

Impressive. Not your typical Al Qaeda drivel. And in this clip, they have an interesting point, "In producing a docu-drama in its own twisted way, the Islamic State was sending the following messages:

    We don't play by your rules. There are no limits to what we are willing to do.
    America's mistreatment of Muslim prisoners at Guantanamo Bay comes with a "price tag," to quote a recently adopted phrase for retribution killings. After all, we are a state. We have our own enemy combatants as you can see from the video, and our own way of dealing with them.
    Just because we observe no limits does not mean we lack sophistication. We can be just as sophisticated as you in the West. Just listen to the British accent of our executioner. And we can produce a very short film up to Hollywood standards.
    We're not like the drug lords in Mexico who regularly behead people and subsequently post the videos on the Internet. The drug lords deliver only a communal message, designed to intimidate only those people within their area of control. That is why the world at large pays little attention to them; in fact, the world is barely aware of them. By contrast, we of the Islamic State are delivering a global, meta-message. And the message is this: We want to destroy all of you in America, all of you in the West, and everyone in the Muslim world who does not accept our version of Islam.
    We will triumph because we observe absolutely no constraints. It is because only we have access to the truth that anything we do is sanctified by God.

For all the cartels' brutality (and they are), they use the same terror tactics, but reach 1/10th of the people. That's pretty interesting considered the vast difference in financial resources.
59  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: 9/21/2014 Dog Brothers Open Gathering of the Pack on: September 23, 2014, 12:00:57 PM
A heavy and heartfelt congratulations to all the ascentions in the tribe, and to all who participated.
60  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Islam in America on: September 03, 2014, 04:36:55 PM
How does the saying go?

"Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way."

I love that about tribe... not a lot of followers that aren't leaders in their own right.
61  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: It begins , , ,? on: September 02, 2014, 01:56:41 PM

“Qur’an 3:151.”

That particular verse in the Koran reads, “We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah of which He had not sent down [any] authority. And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers.”

I'm not afraid. In fact, in keeping of the spirit as walking as a warrior for all of one's days, I doubt the people who spray painted that know or the other people that follow that belief really know what they're biting off. It may be a bit more than they can chew.

The thought of those types coming here to Mexico makes me chuckle. Americans, if quarrelsome amongst each other, are still certainly known for prizing freedom above all costs. I'm just wondering how long it is until country sized parking lots are made and people are deported en masse (reference Japanese internment camps).
62  DBMA Espanol / Espanol Discussion / Re: Mexico on: August 26, 2014, 03:57:49 PM
Mexico Unveils New Police Force
Scaled-Down Unit Aims to Protect Mine and Farm Operations
By Dudley Althaus and José de Córdoba
Aug. 22, 2014 3:57 p.m. ET

The smaller force will instead be another unit of the Federal Police. Critics said the new force was too small and would leave the bulk of the fight against the cartels to Mexico's army and navy.

The original plan for the gendarmerie was opposed by the military, which spearheaded the bloody, unresolved campaign against organized crime, according to some analysts. Tens of thousands of Mexican troops still patrol the country's hot spots, including many of the states just south of the U.S. border.

A couple of things; the author/s doesn't/don't know a whole lot or intentionally wrote a biased article.

The military is less than pleased because it will be taking about 40 million dollars (the amount to spent on the Gendarmería), and they're bent.

The military and Fuerzas Federales and Fuerzas Estatales will all be forking over people to man it. It isn't operational yet but will be in full swing within a year.

Not every state gets to send troops. We here are sending 1500 elements with additional elements coming from three other states.

This is a very good thing. I am very much looking forward to this.
63  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Citizen-Police interactions on: August 26, 2014, 03:49:08 PM
"Some people just want to watch the world burn." Nothing is fairer than chaos and nature. I believe in being fair. It's the just thing to do.
64  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Law Enforcement issues and LE in action on: August 26, 2014, 03:47:36 PM
MacYoung's comments are accurate.

Except for this:

with comments by Marc MacYoung


* Let's say that there's a 20% failure rate in certain circumstances of non-lethal means. Here's the thing about that. The people who are demanding the police ALWAYS use them, would not themselves volunteer for an assignment where their chances of dying were two out of ten -- so where do they get off demanding the cops take those risks?

I get so tired of hearing people blanketly speak about what others would or would not do, especially when it makes themselves seem more "courageous."
65  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: How did 800 ISIS fighters rout 2 Iraqi divisions (30,000 Iraqi Army soldiers)? on: August 08, 2014, 02:17:16 PM
I don't see a precise answer here, but an interesting question:

How did 800 ISIS fighters rout 2 Iraqi divisions?
Jun. 12, 2014
An image from a video posted by a group supporting the al-Qaida breakaway Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), which has been verified and is consistent with other AP reporting, shows a militant in front of a burning Iraqi army Humvee in Tikrit, Iraq. (The Associated Press)

By Andrew Tilghman and Jeff Schogol
But the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, apparently has routed an estimated 30,000 Iraqi Army soldiers who were trained by the U.S. military and given billions in sophisticated American military equipment.

The stunning outcome reflects widespread desertions among the Iraqi units in the north as well as the Sunni-Shiite sectarian tensions that underlie the military battles, experts say.

“It’s a relativity small force that managed to take the city [of Mosul], and it’s shocking that they were able to do that,” said Charlie Cooper, who studies Islamic extremism for the Quilliam Foundation in London.

“To me, that suggests there is collusion or at least deliberate capitulation on the part of Sunni tribes in western and northern Iraq,” Cooper said. “It’s likely that this happened because Sunni tribes in the area let it happen.”

Check this ISIS slideshow. Contains pics of US made military material taken from #Iraq army:

There was a soap opera when I was a kid. They called it "As The World Turns." Never been much on soap operas, but I wouldn't mind watching one called "As The World Burns." It has a little more zest and fervor. Training the Iraqi military, so they can have their asses handed to them... a bit reminiscent of what happened with the USSR, Mujahideen and CIA and company... better to just stay out of it and let it implode.
66  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Dealing with Evil on: July 28, 2014, 08:58:59 PM
The term civilian in the law enforcement context means someone who isn't in possession of the powers granted to sworn officers.

A also, do not confuse liability case law with what is taught to officers as an operational model for responding to active shooters.

I won't go round and round with you on this GM. Neither of us will change the other's mind. We would both just be wasting each other's time. Hat tip to you.
67  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Armed citizen response in public environments on: July 28, 2014, 12:27:08 PM

Good article for the most part, except; "concealed carry permit holders are fooling themselves if they think they will be able to react effectively to armed aggressors. Most CCW holders won’t even be able to un-holster their gun. They will more likely be killed themselves or kill innocent bystanders than stop the aggressor.” I'm still trying to get the aftertaste of bile out of my mouth after that one... I like hard numbers...not "probablies," or "more likelies." It is every bit reminiscent of liberal media to even include that part.

Also, I take issue with an outright lie both by Supreme Court case law and recent events in; "To identify the role of the armed civilian in a public deadly force emergency, we have to look at the difference in the societal roles of that civilian versus the role of an identifiable (uniformed) law enforcement official." I take issue with this, because unless a law enforcement official has signed away his freedom to the government (as in active military), he is in fact a civilian, hence the distinction.


"The law enforcement priority of life protocol places the highest value on the lives of innocent civilians, victims, and hostages. Next in line comes the life of the officer, and last is the life of the perpetrator. It is the duty of the officer to put his life second to those of the people he serves."

Every part of that is an outright fabrication.

"WASHINGTON, June 27 - The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm"

and "In the end, two of suspects were killed by police and a third was wounded. One of the three hostages died, while two others were injured." Police justifying opening fire on a hostage in order to save their lives and those of additional citizens; yet, clearly, also in an attempt to save their own lives, which is noteworthy, because clearly the officers cared more for their own welfare than that of the hostage's. Not saying there aren't great police, but we should state things exactly as they are.
68  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Venezuela on: July 26, 2014, 11:32:17 AM

American "intrusion" is both welcome and not welcome, depending on what it is and depending on who minds and who does not mind.  In any case, The US is losing LatAm with Obama's extreme "flexibility."

Obama is a chump. I can't state the disdain I have for him.
69  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Immigration issues on: July 26, 2014, 09:16:12 AM
DDF writes,
"Mexico is racist as hell, much more so than the Black and White bickering in the States, but it isn't politically correct to report that there."

What are the racial groups in Mexico?  You mean light skin Mexicans vs darker Indians?

What is the reason so many are coming across now?   This cannot be without complicit help from US amnesty groups and I don't believe for one second Bama didn't see this coming and is not encouraging on different levels.

Your take?

There are several groups and skin color is a common way of describing people. They even have product brands here such as "Negrito" (think Hostess bakery type deal), that uses a Black kid with an afro as their product moniker.

In fact, race is so commonly used here to describe people, I really have no idea where any Latino from here in Mexico, gets off saying anything about racism Whites or others.

A short and by no means exhaustive list would be (and each in common usage that I hear almost daily here (anyone disagreeing, please stop me and correct me where I'm wrong);

1. Gringo - A White person from an English-speaking country. (they say it just means that you come from the States and that you speak a different language 'hence the griego/gringo root,' but it's definitely derogatory...not a doubt at all, and to those that would argue it, ask them if they like being referred to as a spic/Hispanic...they don't... trust me on that). Gringo isn't cool either.
2. Spanish peninsula area + Spanish peninsula = Criollo
3. Criollo and Criollo = Criollo
4. Spanish and Indian (Native) = Mestizo
5. Spanish and Black = Mulato
6. Black and Indian = Zambo
7. Mestizo and Indian = Cholo
8. Mestizo and Spanish = Castizo
9. Mulato and Spanish = Morisco
10. Spanish and Morisca = Albino
11. Black and Zamba = Zambo Prieto

I could go on all day with things that are racist in nature, but I'd rather not. Here's a pretty good take on it if one cares to read it:

As to why people come across? Survival, a better life, running from the law here, and they know that they will be helped once they get there. In fact, to that last point, they even tell them here in the human rights organizations, what help they will recieve if they can just make it to the US side of the border. It was mentioned earlier that the cartels are behind this. If anything, it's the governments on both sides that are behind it.
70  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Venezuela on: July 26, 2014, 08:46:56 AM
"Carvajal's only option to avoid going to jail for a long, long time is going to be to cooperate, and that is going to be devastating for a lot of senior Venezuelan officials,"

Or... the Venezuelan government could grow a pair, invade Aruba on grounds of hostility toward Venezuelan citizens, and tell the US to pound sand.

The US does use the drug war to push their agendas and influence in other countries, and as an employee to one of the parties, I can say, many view US intrusion as unwlecome, and not always due to corruption either... sometimes it's just called minding your own business and taking care of problems that actually have to do with one's own citizens.

My two cents.
71  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Immigration issues on: July 20, 2014, 07:36:24 PM
Thank you for your clarification from the front lines.   So who is helping these people over the border?
Non cartel opportunists?
Or are most just hitching rides across the journey from Central America and Mexico?

You bet. They come across the border in the south on foot. I've been there and it's very easy to cross if you can get to it. The border on the Guatemalan side is crawling with Kabiles (very bad ass Guat. spec forces), due to the drugs from Columbia and weapons from here. On our side, we have Marines, Army and Feds everywhere, but as for the border and the jungle, crossing it isn't that hard. Traversing the length of Mexico on the other hand, is very difficult.

They get on board a train where several members of Mara Salva Trucha routinely rob, beat, and rape them, but some Mexican people give the sojourners water and food. They are literally dead broke, and have almost nothing.

I'm not illegal alien friendly at all, viewing it as leaving one's country in search of wealth and basically ditching your own people for an easier life.

I will say though, they are truly broke, and where they get 3 to 5 grand other than family members living on the other side is beyond me.

Even working here in Mexico as a member of a Mexican general's personal guard, I make exactly 11,600 pesos a month plus travel bonuses of up to 7000 pesos depending on what states we are working in, and I'm pretty well paid considering the norm of what Mexicans make, so someone coming here illegally, washing windows (and I've hit them up because many of them do work for the cartels, tracking our movements and drugs) make about 100 pesos a day.

Every single interrogation we've conducted, unless they were hitmen, the lookouts and drug dealers at street level make 5000 pesos every 15 days, which still is peanuts.

The cartel at the border runs everything because they'll flat out kill any competition, but the amount of people that actually have that type of cash when they get there, almost nonexistent... the cartels, gangs, or even authorities, have relieved them of any money they might have had.

If you have ever seen a Guatemalan or Salvadorenean woman in the States, pay close attention to them. You will find them to be very cold and silent in comparison to Mexican women that have gone to the states. It's because every single one of them from Guatemala or El Salvador has been raped while crossing Mexico, and I mean every single one of them...sometimes the men too.

Illegals aren't welcome here in Mexico, even less than the United States, and Mexico is racist as hell, much more so than the Black and White bickering in the States, but it isn't politically correct to report that there.

No non cartel opportunists.
Every one crossing Mexico going to the north is dead broke.
The hypocrisy between governments and Mexicans and others in the state in terms of national policy and racism is staggering.
72  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Father deals out justice on: July 20, 2014, 07:22:53 PM

With the recidivism rate with these guys, I don't know why the father let him live. I wouldn't have. Not a chance in hell. There are some things one just doesn't do...this being one of them.
73  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Drug cartel, illegal immigration, Democrat Party racket on: July 20, 2014, 11:43:23 AM
I don't believe most illegals are coming here just because of the reason they are escaping drug gangs but....

What a racket for the drug cartels!   Obviously all these people are not storming through Mexico without the help of drug cartels.  

Think of it.  They terrorize people in their countries then turn around and offer them asylum in the US, take 5 grand or God knows how much, then ship them up and dump them in the US while raping them along the way, enlisting some into their gangs, selling some of them, making some foot soldiers, maybe some work as drug mules and think of the money they make.  

What is $5,000 times just 100,000?   It comes to 500,000,000!!!!

And the Democrat party is complicit in this for the cynical reason of more Democrat votes.  

How *f" disgusting this all is.

We are funding drug cartels.   I mean we are already doing most of it already with all the *F* drug dealers and users in the US.

You're mistaken about that. When someone enters Mexico illegally and we're out on patrol, they have a dread fear of talking to anyone.

The cartels might be making some money off of them at the northern border (and they are), but the robberies, rapes, kidnappings, selling of body organs, and murders of people who don't even exist on paper, make a target for the cartels that's just too good to pass up.

I've been out on patrol and had them run in fear of what I or others would do, and we wanted nothing other than to talk to them.

The cartel knows who they are because they stand at intersections washing windows, and are easily picked out due to their appearance and accents, and are then forced to work as assassins for them, almost always meeting a gruesome end.

No... the cartel is not helping them so they can make $3,000 - $5,000, hopefully getting them across the border, so they can then store them 50 to a room, until they can wait for their family members to pay up.

You said "they"· (the cartels) terrorize them in their own country, shipping them up, and that simply isn't what happens. The people that I have seen going north with an intention to cross the border, are from here, some had jobs, and they just decided they wanted to make more.

Other's had no jobs and decided they wanted to eat.

Others from central America? I can't say. They lie so much when we talk to them that it's difficult to figure out what happened, and with the common knowledge of them being raped or being forced to serve in something that will get them killed, it isn't the cartels alluring them with a promise to ferry them across for 5000 dollars that they don't have.

Take a look across the bridge that enters Tijuana... all that dirt you see in the wash, all the crosses posted on the fence on the road to the airport...each one either broke or dead... no... the cartels aren't making their money there. They make it off of drugs and weapons and politicians on both sides of the fence.

74  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Why is this racial? on: July 19, 2014, 06:06:46 PM
He was selling cigarettes so he has to be taken down by 5 officers including one in an MMA choke hold?

Ask the guy where he lives and send him a ticket.   That would have been more reasonable.
We have organized and white collar crime running amuck and this is what law enforcement wastes their time on?

But I don't see why the dirtball Sharpton has to do with this and why this is suddenly racial oppression:

More "heroics" in action...  another example of "freedom." You know what they say about making beds....
75  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Ukraine on: July 17, 2014, 07:41:36 PM
Give him a break, this is his first real job. He's still trying to get oriented.

There are some things however, where you and I are on exactly the same page. My daughter is still in Russia. I'm less than thrilled with his "handling" of this. Another cold war is the last thing any of us need.
76  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Law Enforcement issues and LE in action on: July 17, 2014, 07:38:13 PM
In rural America, police response times can be very long, often more than an hour, especially for a response in force. People do and have always been their own first responders out here.

True. I just think they should have access to grenade launchers and fully automatic weapons, all that fun stuff. I love it. It's great.

It would be nice to play a game of online chess with you sometime if you're up to it.

You can even go first.
77  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Ukraine on: July 17, 2014, 07:36:00 PM
I've said it before, I'll say it again, and damn the consequences. You go electing a Detroit style politician, you're going to get Detroit style results.
78  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Law Enforcement issues and LE in action on: July 17, 2014, 07:29:36 PM
Sure, law enforcement in the US is a lot safer than other places. Yes, there are a lot of empty uniforms that can slide by because of that, but there are plenty of warriors in the ranks. Lots of young guys on the job who spent their late teens/early 20's getting sand in their boots in much less safe environments.

Agreed on both accounts. I am just the type that thinks every one should be doing it for themselves...nothing more, nothing less. I'm glad that we're both still around to discuss this. It's nice to hear from you.   cool
79  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Law Enforcement issues and LE in action on: July 17, 2014, 07:25:13 PM
The cartels don't do that here because they can't get away with it here. Even in Phoenix, they prey only on criminals. There is a reason for that.

If they get brave enough to try, they will get a reminder about the American talent for organized violence.

I'm game. I have long been against writing legislation to protect the stupid, or liberal non hackers.

Got in a fist fight with some Nation of Islam guys once... a long time ago in my past. Afterwards, there was a general understanding of sorts. They told me something that I'll never forget, and for as much as I don't like them, truth is truth; "self reliance." It's served me well. Everyone should adopt that.

Peace. My quarrel is not with you.
80  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Law Enforcement issues and LE in action on: July 17, 2014, 07:17:39 PM
Ps GM... I'm still alive in one of the most evil countries on the planet, doing this.. Not bragging. Just saying I might have a clue as to what I'm talking about. Not saying you don't. Simply saying there is more than one way to look at it, without necessarily being a "criminal."

Some people really don't need you... something police in general are loathe to admit. They'd have to turn in their hero status, and sorry, I'm fresh out of hero status to give.

Where's that picture of the fat, Black, female deputy eating the turkey leg when I need it?
81  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Law Enforcement issues and LE in action on: July 17, 2014, 07:13:36 PM
In my neck of the woods, a good portion of the population is quite well armed and grew up shooting and is quite supportive of the sheriff who has a very competent SWAT team and an MRAP.  The left coast invaders snivel about the MRAP and the guns that the local population owns.

I'd put both the country boys in law enforcement and the general population around here against sicarios anytime.  The Japanese were said to be concerned about "a rifle behind every blade of grass" on the US mainland during WWII. That description still applies here.

I'm not going to turn this into a pissing contest. You guys have it easy up there. I'm wondering how many police would fold the second someone was cutting off their wife's fingers over the phone? It's a fair question. You guys don't deal with that type of thing at all, don't act like you do...because Hurricane Katrina showed just where some people's hearts are at.... "I'm da protecta!!!" Please.

My point is that this is something that every human should be doing for themselves. We all saw how well Stockton turned out today. I wonder how much that flubber is going to cost? L.A...and newspaper ladies... SWAT? My a..
82  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Law Enforcement issues and LE in action on: July 17, 2014, 06:46:42 PM
In the other thread, you mentioned masses of armed and trained bad guys. Some dissonance with this position?

Not at all. Any seeming conflict I may have is almost certainly derived from who I think should be defending whom.

Some people favor a strong law enforcement presence (which equates to a government with laws that we already know don't work and only affect people that follow those laws - that are far from being free), OR.... to the second amendment's point, "shall not be infringed," at all, ever, regardless of what anyone thinks about it, in order to protect everyone from overzealous "sheep dogs."

You know, I have to laugh every time I see an overweight, lower IQ, out of shape, "protector" that I am completely certain I am more competent than, telling me that I need to surrender my body armor and get his permission to carry, so he can "protect" me. That's probably the dissonance you speak of.
83  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Law Enforcement issues and LE in action on: July 17, 2014, 03:42:23 PM
What is your definition of a "military" tool?

I'd start with an MRAP and work down from there. Then again, I'm not big on inter- agency cooperation, police helicopters, DHS, and NDAA. Smells too much like Nazi Germany or the Russia, one of which, I've lived in.
84  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Dealing with Evil on: July 17, 2014, 02:54:13 PM
Fight the good fight GM, stay safe.
85  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Dealing with Evil on: July 17, 2014, 02:52:06 PM
The cartels are much more careful and quiet operating in el norte. Why?

Because they haven't bought your politicians yet. It isn't because they're afraid. With all the liberal trash you have floating around up there, how long do you think it is until that happens? Obama... not even an American. I worry for all of us.
86  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Dealing with Evil on: July 17, 2014, 02:50:42 PM
One other thing, before I am written off as just being a jerk.

You've got a lot longer in this than I do, though our experiences are a bit different, you more brains and investigative, mine more as an operator; I have to ask, (and I'm bringing this up as an honest question), do you find that you've lost your fear of sidearms if you're armed with a longarm? I know that I have. In fact, I don't even like carrying my Glock 17 because it's just a waste of time, especially against vests. I'd rather carry my FAL and 7.62x51, and not worry about sidearms or vests on the other guys.

I'm asking that, because is society, as a whole, really ready to deal with that type of evil? I don't think it is, and while I seem the way I do, in my heart, I root for good and freedom, not control (by "good" or bad), but freedom.

I think it is a pertinent question every person, military, leo, or other should be asking themselves, and what I have written above, it'll come to pass in the next ten years, and I think we should be ready for it. SWAT, (which almost all of our leo's here are), doesn't cut it, especially when confronted with a convoy of 50 trucks of people that are all about evil and have been trained.

Society needs to be responsible for themselves, or..... evil wins. It just does.
87  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Dealing with Evil on: July 17, 2014, 02:35:00 PM
It was last tried in large numbers in the 60s/70s. It was the start of SWAT.

Thanks for the chuckle. They sound bullet and rocket proof. I know we aren't here in Mexico, but then, the US is so much more adept than we are here, probably due to the huge amount of practice you guys get up there.
88  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Dealing with Evil on: July 17, 2014, 01:32:34 PM
Police officer executed in New Jersey, others being killed more than one at a time in Alaska, Vegas, Canada... and today, a bank robbery in Stockton where they threw two human shields thrown from the get-away vehicle, and the third shield shot and killed by the police in a shoot out with the robbers, the Bloods declaring war on the police, and most of that just in the last week.

I wonder how soon it is until the criminals in the United States figure out how to unite, and wage war simultaneously against authority and use military and torture tactics that more evolved criminals use in other countries, especially against soft targets? It's only a matter of time.
89  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The War on Drugs on: March 05, 2014, 06:34:00 PM
I'm wondering what happens when the US starts having cartel style violence happen on the scale that it does here, you know, where daughter's fingers start getting cut off while they're on the phone with you...

I'm just saying, law enforcement doesn't stop anything, especiall once the criminals figure out that there are just better ways to keep law enforcement officers in line, longarms, soft targets, etc. It's all a charade.

The thing that I would worry about, is fixing the economy. That is the ony thing that keeps crime in check. I've found out all about it living and working here. It certainly isn't "The LAW:"  afro

We may just find out. However, there is nothing new about badguys targeting cops. There were old school responses to such things that established lines that were respected. Borders can be crossed both ways.

Indeed. It's all about who has the most to lose, wins. That, or the most brutal. Most people don't belong in law enforcement. Not really. Especially when they aren't targeting cops, but their families. The economy is key... give everyone a chance to win... at least a chance, and I hate Obama...not saying to give it away, but at least make it possible. I don't know though...economics aren't my thing. I <3 my FAL.
90  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: The Dog Brothers Tribe on: March 05, 2014, 06:33:23 PM
Congrats on all the ascensions.
91  DBMA Espanol / Espanol Discussion / Re: Mexico on: March 05, 2014, 06:29:15 PM
That, or arresting one of my own partners for working as an assassin in the cartel.  It all goes on. I get a sense of not fearing anything anymore, because you know, you're already dead and no one, not even the law is untouchable, and well.. life is cheap. GM.... I'm still not dead.
92  DBMA Espanol / Espanol Discussion / Re: Mexico on: March 05, 2014, 06:27:04 PM
Gnarliest thing I've seen yet... a 13 year old kid working as an assassin for the cartel, caved the guy's head in with a hammer, took out his brains, and filled it with chopped tomatoes. Nothing surprises me anymore.
93  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: The War on Drugs on: March 05, 2014, 06:24:35 PM
I'm wondering what happens when the US starts having cartel style violence happen on the scale that it does here, you know, where daughter's fingers start getting cut off while they're on the phone with you...

I'm just saying, law enforcement doesn't stop anything, especiall once the criminals figure out that there are just better ways to keep law enforcement officers in line, longarms, soft targets, etc. It's all a charade.

The thing that I would worry about, is fixing the economy. That is the ony thing that keeps crime in check. I've found out all about it living and working here. It certainly isn't "The LAW:"  afro
94  DBMA Espanol / Espanol Discussion / Re: Mexico on: October 29, 2013, 04:04:01 PM
Interesting. I think we were talking about this a couple of years ago. Looking into it.
95  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / New Muslim Children's Game on: September 27, 2013, 04:08:42 PM
I came across this tidbit today. It's nice to see the children being taught tolerance over there.
96  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Transfer from Dealing with Evil on: September 27, 2013, 04:02:50 PM
Re: Evil in Connecticut and elsewhere
« Reply #89 on: September 26, 2013, 08:15:06 PM »
Quote from: G M on February 11, 2013, 02:41:20 PM
In Mexico, Dorner would be a typical officer, yes?

Despite millions in U.S. aid, police corruption plagues Mexico

Mexico’s plague of police corruption
Despite millions in U.S. aid, forces continue to be outgunned, overwhelmed — and often purchased outright — by gangsters

, HOUSTON CHRONICLE | October 18, 2010

Federal police officers stand in formation in June while drug-dealing suspects are presented to the media in Mexico City. The officers' faces are covered to protect their identities. Photo: Eduardo Verdugo, Associated Press

MEXICO CITY — City cops killing their own mayors; state jailers helping inmates escape; federal agents mutinying against corrupt commanders; outgunned officers cut down in ambushes or assassinated because they work for gangster rivals.

Always precariously frayed, Mexico's thin blue line seems ready to snap.

Six prison guards were killed Wednesday as they left their night shift in Chihuahua City, 200 miles south of El Paso. On Tuesday, the head of a police commander supposedly investigating the death of an American on the Texas border was packed into a suitcase and sent to a local army base.

Mexicans justifiably have long considered their police suspect. But today many of those wearing the badge are even more brazenly bad: either unwilling or unable to squelch the lawless terror that's claimed nearly 30,000 lives in less than four years.

State and local forces, which employ 90 percent of Mexico's 430,000 officers, find themselves outgunned, overwhelmed and often purchased outright by gangsters.

Despite some dramatic improvements — aided by U.S. dollars and training under the $1.6 billion Merida Initiative — Mexico's 32,000 federal police remain spread thin and hobbled by graft. And many in Mexico consider the American investment little help so far against the bloody tide wrought by drug gangs.

Grasping for a cure, President Felipe Calderon and other officials are pushing to unify Mexico's nearly 2,000 municipal police under 32 state agencies that they insist can better withstand the criminals' volleys of bullets and cash.

"The tentacles of organized crime have touched everyone," said Ignacio Manjarrez, who oversees public security issues for a powerful business association in Chihuahua, the state bordering West Texas that has become Mexico's most violent. "There are some who are loyal to their uniform and others who will take money from anyone and everyone.

"We let it into our society. Now we are paying the consequences."

Many actions, few results

Across Mexico, local, state and federal police forces have been purged, then purged again. Veteran officers and recruits alike undergo polygraphs, drug tests and background checks. A national database has been set up to ensure that those flushed from one force don't resurface in another.

Still the plague persists.

One of the surest signals that rivals are going to war over a community or smuggling routes are the dumped corpses of cops who start turning up dead. Many, if not most, of the officers are targeted because they work for one gang or the other.

Scores of federal officers rebelled this summer, accusing their commanders of extortion in Ciudad Juarez, the murderous border city that Calderon pledged to pacify. As a result, Mexican officials fired a tenth of the federal police force.

The warden and some guards at a Durango state prison were arrested in July after a policeman confessed in a taped gangland interrogation that they aided an imprisoned crime boss's nightly release so he could kill his enemies.

Another prison warden and scores of guards were detained in August following the breakout of 85 gangsters in Reynosa, on the Rio Grande near McAllen.

On Friday, the governor of Tamaulipas state, which borders South Texas, ordered the purging of the police force in the important port city of Tampico. Gov. Eugenio Hernandez said he took the action following officers' apparent participation in this week's brief abduction of five university students in the city.

$100 million a month

Mexico's top federal policeman, Genaro Garcia Luna, has estimated gangsters pass out some $100 million each month to local and state cops on the take.

"There really is no internal capacity or appetite to try to get their arms around corruption," said a former U.S. official with intimate knowledge of Mexico's security forces. "Anyone who sticks their head up, wanting to make a change, is eliminated."

Edelmiro Cavazos, mayor of Santiago, a picturesque Monterrey suburb, had vowed after taking office to clean up its police force, which many believe is controlled by the gangster band known as the Zetas.

He barely got the chance to try.

Killers came for him in August, arriving at his home on five trucks, a surveillance tape showing their headlights slicing the night like knives as his own police bodyguard waved them in.

A workman found Cavazos' blindfolded and bound body a few days later, tortured, shot three times and dumped like rubbish along a highway outside Santiago.

The bodyguard and six other officers from Santiago's police force are among those accused in the killing.

"They considered him an obstacle," the Nuevo Leon state attorney general said.

Following Cavazos' slaying and that of 600 others in the Monterrey area this year, Nuevo Leon Gov. Rodrigo Medina proposed bringing municipal police forces under unified state command.

"We have to act as a common front," Medina told reporters. "If we are divided in isolated forces and we have a united organized crime against us and society, we aren't going to be able to articulate the forceful response we need."

New command structure

The tiny western state of Aguascalientes created a unified police command this week. And Calderon won support for the plan Tuesday from 10 newly elected governors.

"Having institutions that enjoy the full confidence of the public can't be put off," Calderon told the new governors. "The single police command is a crucial element in achieving the peace and tranquility that Mexicans deserve."

Although small training programs for state and local forces exist, American dollars by way of the $1.6 billion Merida Initiative until now have been aimed mostly at Mexico's federal police.

Intelligence gathering and sharing has been enhanced and computer systems upgraded. U.S. and other foreign experts have given extensive training to a third of the federal force, officials say, with another 10,000 Mexican officers attending workshops.

"Beyond the money, the Merida plan put information and technology at the disposal of the Mexican government," said Manlio Fabio Beltrones, president of Mexico's senate, whose Institutional Revolutionary Party is widely favored to reclaim the presidency in 2012.

Its critics argue that the U.S. aid has failed to curtail the violence, leaving communities and local police forces at the mercy of gangsters.

Javier Aguayo y Camargo, a retired army general who was replaced as Chihuahua City's police chief this month, said no one has "figured out how to make the reforms work."

"The resources of Merida remain at the federal level," Aguayo y Carmargo said. "We haven't felt any of it. They need to support the states and municipalities."

Gangs reverse gains

Chihuahua City, capital of the state bordering West Texas, underscores just how quickly the drug wars have overpowered even the best attempts to strengthen local police.

Under a succession of mayors since the late 1990s, the city's police steadily improved. Hiring standards were raised, record keeping improved, arrest and booking processes overhauled. A citizen's oversight committee was set up with significant influence within the department.

Three years ago, the 1,100-officer force became the first in Mexico to be accredited by CALEA, a U.S.-based law enforcement association that rigorously evaluates police administrative standards. Only a handful of other Mexican cities have since won accreditation.

Then Mexico's gangland wars arrived in 2008.

The city of 800,000 has been racked this year by an average of four killings daily, according to a recent study by El Heraldo, the leading local newspaper, about 30 times more than a few years ago. It now ranks as Mexico's third most murderous city, behind Ciudad Juarez and Culiacan, capital of the gangster-infested state of Sinaloa, federal officials say.

Scores of city police officers have been fired for suspected corruption. More than two dozen others have been killed, either gunned down in street battles or assassinated by gangsters.

"If with all this equipment and training they are overwhelmed by the criminals, what happens in other places?" said Manjarrez, the businessman who monitors public security matters in Chihuahua. "As prepared as we were, we never saw this tsunami coming."

Dude... It would be wonderful if just once, someone that has actually worked here, for the Mexican government, wrote one of these things. Is there corruption? In a word, yes, but then how many go to work, doing the right thing, knowing that their own partners may kidnap, torture, and kill them and their families. Want to talk about Dorner, you go right ahead, but keep it in your country because the last I checked, none of the law enforcement up there has to go to work daily with what I just listed above. We have the best and worst of both. Try a little respect.
97  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: A newbies first Gathering on: September 26, 2013, 08:16:38 PM
I haven't been able to make it in a while, but I wanted to say that the fotos and turnout seemed very cool from afar. Congratulations to all that participated and to the new additions to the tribe.
98  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Political Rants & interesting thought pieces on: June 26, 2013, 12:07:22 AM
No disagreement there at all.
I like a lot of the things I'm learning here, like how criminals should be treated. What I don't understand is why we don't treat politicians that are criminals in the same manner (they do in some other countries), leaving the power vacuum to be filled by those that actually have integrity.
I'm dead sure many on this site know what discipline and accountability are. Not quite certain why there is a complete absence of it on Capitol Hill. No longer my business I suppose, but enjoy staying somewhat in contact. Good to read your stuff GM. I enjoy it. Thank you.
99  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Political Rants & interesting thought pieces on: June 25, 2013, 11:57:03 PM
I have to wonder where the United States would be if it weren't busy doing warrantless wiretapping (under Bush, even with wide leniency by the FISA court in terms of obtaining warrants after the fact - they still didn't bother), spying on it's own citizens, or actually staying out of countries where they obviously aren't welcome, ceasing the role of world super cop. I wonder what that would look like.
100  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Mexico-US matters on: June 16, 2013, 11:27:45 PM
It is true the the tourism economy is desperately needed. In some states here, they wouldn't survive without it. I couldn't agree more.
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