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451  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: MMA on: December 29, 2006, 03:27:50 PM
Im thinking Chuck will win but Tito appears to be rejuvanated and Im sure Chuck has kept this in mind.  This should be an excellent fight.

452  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Grandfathers Speak Vol. 2: Sonny Umpad on: December 22, 2006, 07:52:48 PM
For those that still dont know too much about Sonny Datu Worden scanned in an interview from the old magazine Full Contact, as practitioner we really gotta be thankful to those who are able to capture moments of time from the masters so that we will always have some kind of visual / literary rememberance.

The rest is at
453  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: VIDEO CLIPS OF INTEREST on: December 22, 2006, 07:44:43 PM
Im not sure, the clips description of the clips dont say much... yeah... some good stuff.

I found the clips by accident.
454  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Dogbrothers Beijing Seminar test fight 7 on: December 22, 2006, 06:52:57 PM
Found this on youtube.

Click on "More from this user" and you can see a listing of all the clips.

Dogbrothers Beijing Seminar test fight 1

Dogbrothers Beijing Seminar test fight 7

455  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / According to BBC - Kicking somebody during a fight can be more dangerous. on: December 22, 2006, 05:02:37 PM
Found this while cruising at James Keating's site.

Kicking causes most severe injury 
Alcohol is a common cause of fights 
Kicking somebody during a fight can be more dangerous than using a sharp or blunt weapon, research shows.
A study of 25,000 people admitted to A&E found use of feet was more likely to inflict serious injury than blunt or sharp objects or fists.

However, the Violence Research Group in Cardiff, found weapons caused a greater number of severe injuries.

Prevention of kicking and use of blunt objects should be a priority, the study in Injury Prevention concludes.

In total, the researchers assessed 31,000 injuries inflicted on patients attending the University Hospital Wales A&E between 1999 and 2005.

  Usually in fights people are kicked when they fall over and one of the ways to reduce kicking is to reduce severe intoxication because fewer people would fall over

Professor Jonathan Shepherd

Men accounted for three quarters of patients who attended for violence-related injury.

Almost two thirds reported being attacked by just one assailant, but one in four said they had been assaulted by three or more people at the same time.

The age at which a person was most likely to sustain a serious injury peaked at 47.

A total of 21.5% of the injuries were inflicted with a weapon - 11% with a sharp object, 10.5% with a blunt object.

More than half the injured had been punched, and only 7% had sustained injuries through being kicked while on the ground.

Overall, significantly more severe injuries were caused by the use of weapons, than by unarmed physical assault.

However, the researchers found that people who had been kicked were most likely to suffer serious injury - even more so than those who had been attacked with a blunt or sharp weapon.

Firearms injuries, which were very rare, were not considered.

Although surprised that sharp objects were less likely to cause severe injury, the researchers, from the University of Cardiff, said they couldn't discriminate between use of knives or other sharp weapons such as broken glass in the study, which may have affected the results.


Study leader Professor Jonathan Shepherd, an oral and maxillofacial surgeon, warned that alcohol was a large contributing factor in the use of kicking in fights as drunk people were more likely to fall over.

"There's an important link with alcohol. Often in fights people are kicked when they fall over and one of the ways to reduce kicking is to reduce severe intoxication because fewer people would fall over.

"It's very important that when there has been a kicking or a weapon has been used that charges are brought and the assailants are brought to book.

"There are also messages about making sure that objects that can be used as weapons such as glasses are collected and cleared away."

However, he pointed out that Cardiff was one of the safest cities in the UK.

Mr Martin Shalley, consultant in A&E at Birmingham Heartlands Hospital and president of the British Association of Emergency Medicine said the study reflected his own experience.

"It is more unusual for people to be hurt by fists, it's much more common that people have severe injuries by kicking.

"Once you are on the floor, you're at great risk."

456  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Condtioning for the stick on: December 19, 2006, 01:42:52 PM
Sweeeet!  Please post your findings.
457  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Movies of interest on: December 10, 2006, 01:28:02 AM
Guro Crafty,
Here is a URL to search through all the weapons.

I scanned through but I am not sure if this was what he referencing it will take a little bit of time to find the other references.

Bludgeon of the Grinning Dog

458  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Movies of interest on: December 09, 2006, 11:48:08 AM
OK, so I know this thread is about movies but I didnt think it was worth creating a whole new thread..
I was playing World of Warcraft (yeah.. Im a geek, whatever.. lol) but I totally forgot about this interesting reference, this character is a weapons trainer.

Also if you ever read sci-fi / science fiction there is a series by Terry Goodkind called Sword of Truth. I believe it is in the 1st or maybe the 2nd book. There is a tribe that is very skilled in blades and the name is similar to Bakbakan interesting yeah? Not only is FMA in movies but also paid tribute or referenced in Sci-Fi fantasy books as well. I will have to dig mine up and find out which one they are in and maybe Ill even type or scan the paragraph in which the main character does battle with them.
459  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Grandfathers Speak Vol. 2: Sonny Umpad on: December 02, 2006, 01:56:12 AM
Pictures of Sonny are hard to come by Datu Worden posted this on his site so I thought I would share some with everyone here.  To see more visit

460  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: The Bully vs. Me on: November 29, 2006, 01:27:14 PM
Thats a great article Guro Crafty...
461  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Encounters with a Grandmaster: by Mike Belzer on: November 29, 2006, 01:21:26 PM
Incredible ?fantastic luck? or possibly fate was on his side....
462  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Condtioning for the stick on: November 24, 2006, 07:24:11 PM
I think some of you might find this unique training tool pretty neat. ?<--- Check out the link to see them in action.

The Origins of the Torqueblade:
The Torqueblade like any other item dreamed into being was inspired by another. My inspiration came from my experiences in various fitness regimes, military, para military, martial, and numerous civilian. The main underlying thread which I came to appreciate was that of strength to weight ratio and specific endurance for the desired tasks. Always looking for the most cost and time effective regime I realized that the fundamentals of fitness never changed only the intent. In essence training motions rather than muscles seemed more applicable to my daily routines.
Torqueblade training has been influenced by the need for adaptability of impromptu weapons. It can be said that Indian club training has long incorporated this practice by increasing the size and therefore the load of the training tool. The British military adopted these exercises in the 1800's.
?Club swinging is believed to have originated in India by soldiers as a method of improving strength, agility, balance and physical ability. During the annexation of India, British officers witnessed the graceful motions and essential property of expanding the chest and exercising every muscle of the body. The British brought the Indian Clubs to Europe where the Germans and Czechs adopted club swinging into their physical training systems?.
Information kindly supplied by DR. ED Thomas of
?The British military, moving with the times decided to upgrade the Royal Navy. The Admiralty at that time replaced sails in favor of steam, to power the new warships. Consequently, labor was not as demanding and the Admiralty perceived a lack of fitness. So the R.N. adopted the training regime of club swinging. To this day the fitness instructors in the R.N. are still referred to as Clubs?.
Information kindly supplied by Warrant Officer Richardson P.T.I. (R.N.)
I amalgamated my appreciation of blade training with medicine ball type exercises and the training regime of Indian club training.
To take you back to the quote of Darwin that ?adaptability ensures a creature?s success? In other words functional training. Or to put it another way ?If you can?t pull yourself out of a hole, what use are you?? (Mind you, seeking and avoiding holes would probably be a better lesson to study?).
The conception of the Torqueblade came from two routes, like parallel lines on train track, both heading in the same direction. The two routes are ?Functional Fitness? and the ?Arts of Mars? Martial Arts does actually mean the arts of Mars, the Roman deity of battle and therefore warlike arts both originating from the need to improve certain desired attributes, and both heading towards a similar goal. I originally started designing the Torqueblade from the desire to develop an awkward training tool to enhance adaptability to impromptu weapons. This would also challenge the body?s equilibrium when in motion. These requirements would aide in adaptability.
The neuromuscular memory of martial motions must become subtle and effortless. This is the same principle for any sport; the specific motions must become second nature to be effective. The double edged sword of refined body mechanics is that only the essential muscles required for the task are used. Once this is mastered the motions become effortless. If no effort is required the body naturally seeks a new state of rest and your fitness levels start to decline as the pounds start to creep back on.
?The human body moves in three planes of motion that of the saggital, frontal and transverse plane. The saggital separates us from left and right, the frontal from back to front and the transverse is a rotational plane that separates from top to bottom?.
Jaun Carlos "JC" Sanatana Director of
The Institue of Human Performance 561-620-9556
?Everything that we do requires our muscles to work in synergy with each other. Every required task moves through all three planes of motion (multi-planer). Only the intent changes the out come?.
M. Macro
I realized that when training with weapons (swords/clubs), students body mechanics improved quicker than when training empty hands alone. The reason for this is that when the equilibrium of the body is challenged by holding an object outside of its natural range of motion the core of the body has to react more quickly to regain balance. This reaction of muscles turning off and on to regain balance is called proprioception.
If in a fight or flight situation, the ability to adapt by way of proprioception my neuromuscular system for an impromptu weapon (if warranted) can be hindered with out proper training, due to the on coming threat and time constraints.
?So training in a manner which would prehabilitate my body for such an eventuality would seem to be the ideal way to go?.
Training in a traditional gym type setting was not conducive to my requirements. The only exercises which would allow me to train in all planes of motion would be those similar to medicine ball training and those exercises of the Indian Gurus or club swinging. These exercises were be made all the more challenging, with the unique design of the Torqueblade.

Examples of insperation

The Torqueblade adopted the weighted tip of the (1) Nepalese ghukri an elongated belly to resemble the shape of the (2) East Indian club and pistol grip of a (3) Philippine blade (kriss).

Torqueblade and Companionblade

463  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Panantukan & Kali Tudo on: November 22, 2006, 04:47:32 PM
Hi Tom,
Any chance you can post the keyword used to find the "Bareknuckle" fights or possibly the links themselves?? ?


Was it these two?
464  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Multiple player situations on: November 15, 2006, 06:15:30 PM
When he was getting the finger prints he should have had his left webhand("Y" hand or Tiger Mouth), behind the suspects right arm, and his right hand on the fingers.

Yeah I was thinking about that and something similar like if he could have maintained control with the left hand behind the suspects elbow, and the right hand on the suspects hand then maybe a pivot into an armbar or maybe slide / step in with a foot trap or slide in behind ... I know there is a Silat type type of armbar that could be worked in there too I just dont know how to describe it accurately.
465  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Multiple player situations on: November 14, 2006, 01:42:51 PM
OK I found a video, kind of controversial but I do think it has some validity, I don't know what the guy is being arrested for and he probably deserves whatever he gets. The only footage I think that is worthwhile is 00:33 - 00:41.  Had this guy in a training scenario I would give him kudos for using pre-emptive striking and evasion.

Guro Marc, if you dont think it is appropriate then please delete...
466  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Oscar-Floyd is on for May 5! on: November 14, 2006, 04:46:10 AM
 afroOscar-Floyd is on for May 5! afro
By Karl Freitag
Oscar De La Hoya and Floyd Mayweather have reached an agreement to fight on May 5. The fight was finalized today. The bout will be promoted by Golden Boy Promotions. "We are not going to comment what the deal is," Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer told "It's a fair deal and if the pay-per-view hits the numbers which we anticipate it will, it will be new record payday for both guys.....It's going to be big. It's clearly the biggest fight in boxing and I think it's the kind of fight which will transcend and which will clearly capture the interest of the American public and the American sports fans, because it is Mayweather pound-for-pound number one fighter in the sport against Oscar, the most popular and biggest name in the sport. Actually I was looking today at Oscar's trophy case in our office and I was standing in front of one of the belts which was a ring belt that had 'Oscar De La Hoya, pound for pound' on it, and it was 1997. So here we are ten years later and the question is, can he do it again?"

"Oscar realizes this is a dangerous fight," continued Schaefer. "He realizes that he's going in as the underdog, but this is what exactly motivates him, this is what gets him going, this is what he is about and what his entire career is all about. Always going for the biggest challenges. I think that's what his active career was and that's what he'll be remembered for. The guy who always took on the biggest and the best."
Monday, November 13 2006
467  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Interview with Ike Ibeanuchi on: November 13, 2006, 05:18:37 PM

For those of you that would like to see the David Tua vs Ike Ibeabuchi fight

Ike Ibeabuchi Interview: "The President? Wants To Get Back On The Campaign Trail!

13.11.06 - By Izyaslav ?Slava? Koza: When I first started getting into boxing discussion and following the sport a few years back, I won a VHS tape full of any recorded fights of my choosing the owner could fit on there. At that time, sharing clips was not really all that common, so I was lucky enough to obtain some fights I never watched live.

Without thinking, two of the bouts I selected involved a fighter by the name of Ike Ibeabuchi, who was still quite a hot topic, considering he was no longer active. For those who follow the sport, it?s pretty obvious that the bouts also involved David Tua and Chris Byrd and some very interesting circumstances. Before Wladimir Klitschko recently pulverized Byrd, the only time Chris had ever been stopped was against Ibeabuchi, but what was more intriguing was the manner in which it happened.

In the words of many excited fans, not only did Ibeabuchi stop Byrd, but he was able to land about as hard and decapitating a barrage as any of the billion elites that Byrd had faced in his entire career. Those that have seen the stoppage, will most likely bring it up any time vicious knockouts are discussed.

As far as the Tua fight goes, the reason I selected the bout is that what both men accomplished in terms of punches thrown over 12 rounds, was enough to break any 15 round punch thrown record in the history of boxing. To date that is one of the greatest displays of heavyweight boxing that I have ever had the pleasure of watching.

Now I am not here to discuss Ibeabuchi?s guilt or innocence because I don?t know enough about the case to be committed to a serious opinion. However, the life a boxer has outside the ring is not relevant to the things he accomplishes in it. Ike deserves our respect for the things he has already done for our entertainment, and as you shall see for not wasting, or giving up on life in prison. For that alone, we wish Ike luck and at the very least another chance at freedom because that is what America is all about, anyway.

ESB: First of all, Ike, thank you a great deal for doing this because it means a lot.

Ike Ibeabuchi: You?re welcome. Like I stated before, there is nothing that I will not do for my fans.

ESB: I can?t begin to tell you how hopeful some fans got in June 2005 when there was a chance that you could be paroled. When is your next parole hearing and can fans do anything to help you?

Ike Ibeabuchi: With all due respect, to the date of my last parole hearing, it was August 2004 not June 2005. My next parole hearing is scheduled for August 2007.

I don?t quite know what fans can do to help me. I suppose letters of concern to various state of Nevada officials, on my behalf, wouldn?t hurt (Governor, Secretary of State, Parole Commissioner, etc.). I would welcome any support I can get, even from President Bush. I hear he is a big boxing fan.

ESB: Can you describe your daily routine for us? I know one of the problems must be the inability to do real road-work or any traditional boxing exercises, but can you still do something to stay in shape?

Ike Ibeabuchi: My daily routine begins with prayer and fasting from 6:00 am to 12:00pm, during which time I do a rigorous workout. I will not reveal the specifics of my workout. I do not want the competition getting an early read, if you know what I mean. I do run, but not the traditional roadwork. I'm limited here.

I believe what the fans really want to know, is whether I am in shape. The answer is yes.

I'm in shape to fight right now. My boxing program includes shadow boxing and the study of "Psycho-pugilism". God willing, I shall introduce the world o? boxing to my new supreme delicacy Psycho-pugilism (The Food of The Warrior Boxing God) upon my eventual return to the ring.

I also study, go to school (college classes), and watch a little soap opera. I watch Law & Order and Jeopardy, almost everyday. By 10:00 pm, I'm in my room for the late evening news. I read mail and e-mails from my fans, and answer them accordingly. My evening is closed with a prayer while lying down in my bed.

ESB: The story of Mike Tyson?s stint in jail was to some degree glamorized and it was suggested the other inmates were afraid of him. Can you tell us how the other inmates respond to you and how you interact with them?

Ike Ibeabuchi: Unlike Mike Tyson, I am housed in the general population with other inmates. Therefore, I have the opportunity to mingle with inmates of different races and cultural backgrounds.

ESB: How does it feel when 1500 inmates call you ?The Champ??

Ike Ibeabuchi: Flattering. But God knows they are right. The justification being my accomplishments since my incarceration. My composure, tenacity, endurance, and overall conduct, worth emulating here in the prison. In short, I set positive examples. I identify all fellow inmates as ?bro.? Many of them are even willing to do my time for me, for no cost. They are my turpitude, and I respect them dearly.

ESB: Without a doubt, the most memorable moment of your career to most fans is the devastating punch that basically did in Chris Byrd. Whenever fans ask about you on boxing forums, this is the first video clip they are shown. I am sure you were asked this before but can you please describe that whole moment one more time for us?

Ike Ibeabuchi: It was memorable but not the most. It was memorable because it was episodic. I was fighting circumstances of a fa?ade outside of boxing, when the Chris Byrd fight was made. The most memorable moments were each of my ring entrances, where I displayed my ingenuity, which got better and better each time.

To describe the Chris Byrd fight, is to teach or describe how to catch or kill a fly with your bare hands. Do not try to catch the fly directly, even as it is perched or rests. Always aim at the vacuum of its escape. Most of the time, the vacuum becomes the fly at last when you open your hand.

ESB: Do you have any idea what reasoning Byrd tried to use in arguing with the referee when he got up? Many fans always asked what Byrd was trying to say there.

Ike Ibeabuchi: He didn't believe I was able to do that to him, to out smart him. Of course, he's a "spartan." He is not going to quit until he can't breathe anymore. After all, he did become a world champion.

ESB: The most memorable fight of your career was unquestionably the record breaking bomb fest against David Tua. Even though Tua has been beaten, nobody has ever done what you have against him. In preparation for that fight, did you train for precisely that kind of fight?

Ike Ibeabuchi: You see, it took only two fights to define me for most fans, David Tua and Chris Byrd. Two contrasting styles. Indeed, a symbolic crucifix gesture; that is by the way. Tua was tough, but to beat him, I had to do things only a superman would do. With the help of Curtis Cokes, my trainer, I had to be a genie. A sledgehammer wouldn't have stopped me that night. I was thinking 15 rounds of boxing. 12 rounds was just incomplete. Remember now, in round 12, I started my round one routine again, indicating that I was beginning to do a second lap.

ESB: Do you still follow boxing? If so, can you give a few thoughts on the following fighters (strengths, weaknesses, and How you would fight them)?

Ike Ibeabuchi: I follow boxing.

ESB: Henry Akinwande?

Ike Ibeabuchi: Is he still boxing? I would hold him all night long.

ESB: Shannon Briggs?

Ike Ibeabuchi: I will make sure we are not fighting in New Jersey and then I will be alright.

ESB: Calvin Brock?

Ike Ibeabuchi: When it comes to costing, I am the project, and he is the job order. Point made.

ESB: Wladimir Klitschko?

Ike Ibeabuchi: It takes a longer time to obtain a Ph.D in the English language courses.

ESB: Sergei Lyakhovich?

Ike Ibeabuchi: It takes God and Heartbreaks to be a great finisher.

ESB: Oleg Maskaev?

Ike Ibeabuchi: I?m impressed but you know when the cats are away, the mice will play.

ESB: Samuel Peter?

Ike Ibeabuchi: All my brother needs to do is take his time.

ESB: Hasim Rahman?

Ike Ibeabuchi: It?s time to become a full-fledged politician. He practically knows everything.

ESB: Nikolai Valuev?

Ike Ibeabuchi: I can?t wait to fight a man at least.

ESB: Which of them is the best fighter right now in the division?

Ike Ibeabuchi: Samuel Peter is the best fighter, but he's got to take his time to inflict pain to prove it.

ESB: Which boxers are you friends with?

Ike Ibeabuchi: Do you mean before a fight, or after a fight? No War, NO FRIENDS!

ESB: Who is the best p4p in the world right now?

Ike Ibeabuchi: My "boy," Floyd Maywhether. When I see Floyd, and all his charisma, I say to him, "Thank You.?

ESB: Ike, I know life in Prison is a very difficult thing, so can you tell us what helps you keep your head together, and helps you get through the days?

Ike Ibeabuchi: My life, even in prison, depicts a life that has been lived in the bible many times. I like to see myself as the (Baptist or the Messiah with God 1st), like Daniel in the Lion?s Den, like Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego in the fiery furnace, but never burned, like Jacob who had run from his hairy brother in Dallas. Like Samson who saw wisdom and humility when his eyes were gone, like Moses who ruled scorpions and snakes in the desert, and I could go on and on.

ESB: What do you miss the most about being on the outside?

Ike Ibeabuchi: I miss everything a man in need would.

ESB: How did you get your nickname "The President??

Ike Ibeabuchi: Alright ?now,? with all due respect to the President of anything, and grandiosity apart, I am so way above that name ?President,? so condescending. Shelly Mann, of Dallas, can agree with me, too. I?d rather be known by my real name in full "Ikemefula." It is ?nine? letters, indeed. A prayer to God for my strength to keep.

ESB: What do you want to say in closing to all your fans and the people reading this interview?

Ike Ibeabuchi: I would like the fans to know that I am an innocent man, and that I am being made a scapegoat for my perspicacity. Many know this. Nevertheless, I am dealing with this unfortunate circumstance to the very best of my ability. I have not stopped fighting and I never will. I was proclaimed the most dangerous man in the ring in 1999.

Now with my academic achievements and life experiences, I feel I have the ability to take huge strides outside the ring as well. Still, I equally share your pains of deprived quality boxing entertainment. With your continued support for justice, perhaps we can reverse the situation and get a rightful and true heavyweight champion back in the ring.

I love you all, and thank you for your untiring continued support in and out of the ring.

ESB: Ike, thank you again for doing this. Do you want your fans to write you and should we make public your email address?

Ike Ibeabuchi: Yes, my fans may write or email me at the following address, or web-site. I look forward to hearing from them.


Mailing Address:

Ikemefula C. Ibeabuchi 71979


Carson City, Nevada 89702-0607

United States of America

I want to thank Ike?s mother Patricia for helping out in getting this interview.

On the Horizon: Interview with #1 contender Sultan Ibragimov.

468  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / UFC DOCTOR VERIFIES PENN'S RIB INJURY on: November 13, 2006, 04:13:33 PM
Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - by Matt Hill -

Well this is actually old news....

UFC doctors have verified the rib injury that Penn believed he sustained during the second round of his fight with Matt Hughes, according to The injury has been found to be a fracture of Penn?s costochondral junction.

According to the findings of physician Sameer Nagda, MD, ?There is evidence of a fracture of the right tenth costochondral junction with evidence of surrounding soft tissue edema and fluid consistent with moderate grade muscle strains of the intercostals and oblique musculature in the region of fracture.?

According to, the costochondral junction is, ?The point where the ribs articulate with the sternum.? What this essentially means is that during his fight with Hughes, Penn sustained a fracture of the connective tissue between his ribs and the sternum. This injury is considered to be a rib fracture.

Penn?s web site says, ?While in Las Vegas for UFC 64, BJ met with the UFC?s orthopedic surgeon and sports medicine doctor in Las Vegas for a physical exam and diagnostic MRI study of his ribs and oblique muscles on his right side. The report verified and substantiated exactly what happened to BJ at the end of the second round when he thrusted up and around to gain Matt?s back. During this upward and twisting movement, BJ pulled/tore internal muscles located inside and around the bottom right rib and fractured the rib. As explained, this type of trauma can and will cause a constriction of his right lung, leading to a substantially diminished breathing capacity.?

This new report verifies what has thus far been a disputed claim of injury by BJ Penn in the weeks following his UFC 64 loss to Matt Hughes.
469  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Thrust with a staff/ lack there of on: November 06, 2006, 06:29:18 PM
Hi Jeff, I can't officially answer for any of the Dog Brothers but I have been training with DogZilla and from what he has shown me there are thrusts that can be utilized.? I'm looking forward to trying out what I have learned from DogZilla combined with my prior training in Sibat and see if I can make it work for me.? Should be lots of fun (and lumps and bruises)? grin

470  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Boxing Thread on: November 04, 2006, 10:57:00 PM

Tua Stops Wheeler!!!
By Matt Richardson & Jason "J-Gon" Gonzalez
Former world heavyweight championship challenger David Tua won his second consecutive comeback fight in New York when he stopped journeyman Maurice Wheeler in the seventh round of a scheduled ten in the main event of promoter Cedric Kushner's "Gotham Boxing" at the Roseland Ballroom in New York City.

Briggs KOs Liakhovich!
By Chad Barcus and Oscar Paredes at ringside
Shannon Briggs (48-4-1, 41 KOs) scored an explosive twelfth round knockout over Sergei "White Wolf" Liakhovich (23-2, 14 KOs) to claim the WBO heavyweight championship on Saturday night at Chase Field in Phoenix, Arizona. Action was very measured for most the fight as both fighters appeared wary of engaging in sustained exchanges. Finally in the twelfth round, with about 30 seconds left in the fight, Briggs floored Liakhovich, then blasted him completely out of the ring to win the title. Entering the last round, Liakhovich was leading 106-103, 106-103, 105-104. With the win, Briggs breaks the monopoly on the major heavyweight titles by former Soviet fighters.

Im pretty sure we will end up seeing these two heavies throwin down sometime next year.... Im going to root for my man Tua, although I do like both boxers.
471  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Grandfathers Speak Vol. 2: Sonny Umpad on: November 04, 2006, 12:10:08 AM
I thought it fit and actually now im in the mood for The Beatles.
Im really looking forward to the video.
472  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Grandfathers Speak Vol. 2: Sonny Umpad on: November 03, 2006, 07:20:05 PM
Freakin sweet!? afro

OK just finished watching it, I like the feel of it, kinda dark and the street footage with the Beatles song.. created an interesting vibe.
473  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Spammers on our forums on: October 29, 2006, 04:02:40 AM
Actually this isnt the only forum I have received a similar or same message on another martial arts forum too.
474  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Grandfathers Speak Vol. 2: Sonny Umpad on: October 28, 2006, 05:20:42 AM
At the moment I am in Albuquerque, NM for a seminar (awesome day today on the Navajo Reservation with my host who is Navajo). 

Wow, that leads to an interesting question as to whether or not you were exposed to any Native American Martial Techiniques...

Thanks for taking the time out of your busy schedule to answer.  I hope your wife gets well soon.

475  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Grandfathers Speak Vol. 2: Sonny Umpad on: October 27, 2006, 07:31:11 PM
Sorry, dont mean to be a pain but I was just curious if there is an ETA on the release date.
476  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: MMA on: October 23, 2006, 10:48:34 PM
As Fedor gets more popular do you think it will increase the interest in Sambo?
477  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Face Reading on: October 23, 2006, 05:20:27 PM
Wow, that is a fascinating article.? I googled the term FACS and was able to find which has some good reading material as well as as facial diagrams.
478  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Knife vs. Baseball Bat on: October 23, 2006, 12:13:03 AM
Whew a machete?? I for one would definitely go with the machete. 

If you went with the knife what grip would you use, standard or reverse?
479  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Pacific Island Showdown on: October 22, 2006, 03:00:45 AM
Some pics from the tournament, sorry no action pics, I was busy coaching.
480  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Knife vs. Baseball Bat on: October 21, 2006, 07:30:15 PM
Not to detract from the "Bat vs Knife" discussion but since fencing was mentioned.. through browsing another forum someone posted the following link of a Sabre Match.

I think it is really cool to watch footwork, moving forward and backwards. 
481  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Movies of interest on: October 20, 2006, 09:37:15 PM

Only click on the link if you want to see the fight, who knows maybe it will make yo want to see the movie....
482  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Movies of interest on: October 20, 2006, 06:54:15 PM
Yeah at the end is a great fight sequence.  I checked this site and there is going to be a Ong-Bak 2

Accoding to his site there are 2 more movies he is planning on making that look really good as well.

483  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Grandfathers Speak Vol. 2: Sonny Umpad on: October 20, 2006, 06:48:44 PM
484  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Knife vs. Baseball Bat on: October 20, 2006, 06:46:06 PM
Im going with the knife which can be easily redirected and come in at any angle & with the right timing the gap can be closed.

With the bat Im thinking that you would have to work it like the staff and go with the momentum because of the weight at the opposite end to have any kind of flow.

It would be interesting to test out.. Dogzilla? ThaiTom?  Peregrine?

485  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / WTH?? The banning of playing tag.. on: October 19, 2006, 09:33:52 AM

Massachusetts school bans playing tag at recess over fears of injuries, lawsuits
10:32:25 EDT Oct 18, 2006
Canadian Press
ATTLEBORO, Mass. (AP) - Tag, you're out!

Officials at an elementary school south of Boston have banned kids from playing tag, touch football and any other unsupervised chase game during recess for fear they'll get hurt and hold the school liable.

Recess is "a time when accidents can happen," said Willett Elementary School principal Gaylene Heppe, who approved the ban.

While there is no districtwide ban on contact sports during recess, local rules have been cropping up. Several school administrators around Attleboro, a city of about 45,000 residents, took aim at dodgeball a few years ago, saying it was exclusionary and dangerous.

Elementary schools in Cheyenne, Wyo., and Spokane, Wash., also recently banned tag during recess. A suburban Charleston, S.C., school outlawed all unsupervised contact sports.

"I think that it's unfortunate that kids' lives are micromanaged and there are social skills they'll never develop on their own," said Debbie Laferriere, who has two children at Willett, about 65 kilometres south of Boston. "Playing tag is just part of being a kid."

Another Willett parent, Celeste D'Elia, said her son feels safer because of the rule. "I've witnessed enough near collisions," she said.


Might as well start putting your kids in bubble suits or send them to school with a helmet and protective gear.. geez.

486  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Pacific Island Showdown on: October 17, 2006, 12:56:53 PM
Gonna need help on the Kali- Tudo and Knife = Hawaiian clan Gang. We are gonna need to bring Crafty out. Gonna need help on the Kali- Tudo and Knife = Hawaiian clan Gang. We are gonna need to bring Crafty out.

Sounds good, I look forward to the day ...
487  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Pacific Island Showdown on: October 16, 2006, 11:05:04 AM
Dogzilla and the other fighter had the crowd going pretty cheering pretty well, although in my humble opinion I dont think he (the other fighter) wanted to mix it up, Dogzilla got several kicks and power shots in.? Overall I think the tournemant was a great success, during the live stick fights, all the fighters worked their game, moving around engaging and disengaging rather than standing toe to toe the whole round, they worked footwork and technique.

In regards to the earthquale everything is going well, most of the state was out of power not necessarily because of damage but that rather due to emergency procedure that were tripped because of the vibrations, at least that is what was reported by the Hawaiian Electric Company. I believe no casualties resulted from the earthquake but the big island was at the center of the quake.? I think this is a gentle wake up call for all those / us that were not prepared for such emergency.? I live by Aloha Stadium and the grocery stores were open but they were limiting and escorting people that went in.? My co-worker told me of one store in Kaneohe that was gouging people on batteries. I came into work at Midnight and not all of Oahu was fully restored although all or most of the outer islands and a small portion of Oahu were back up in a matter of hours. Hopefully Oahu will be up at 100% by the time I get out of here. Other than that all is well, there was still a good size turnout for tournament at the FILCOM center in Waipahu as well.
488  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Pacific Island Showdown on: October 16, 2006, 01:07:06 AM
Hey guys, the tournament had a great turnout.  Most of the tribe did really well.  Unfortunately Dogzilla was disqualified, I think the call is kinda questionable but that is what GM decided.  Dogzilla landed a nice front kick to the abdomen of his opponent and completely took him out of the game.  The disqualification came because they called a 10 sec timeout, which I dont think Mike heard and in my opinion the ref should have brought down the "staff" which was used to seperate fighters. Hopefully Mike will post but he also asked that I post the results as well.  As for the rest of the tribe, 2 took first place in their weight division.
489  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Homeland Security on: October 13, 2006, 04:50:18 PM
Good point, I forward the info to several people as well.  Thanks!
490  Politics, Religion, Science, Culture and Humanities / Politics & Religion / Re: Homeland Security on: October 13, 2006, 02:25:31 PM
Guro Crafty,
Is this position in Belleville, IL or will the position include traveling?  I grew up in Belleville, IL and although I do not have the qulifications I may know of some people that do.

491  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: La Canne on: October 05, 2006, 07:00:38 PM
Wow that is really interesting!!!  Unfortuantely I am at work with no speakers so I will ahve to watch it when I get home and hope they are speaking in English.
492  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: The Dog Brothers Tribe on: October 04, 2006, 01:52:02 PM
Looks like he is having a good ol time!!
493  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Unarmed Knife Defense on: September 12, 2006, 04:26:11 PM
I wasnt sure if this should go into the "Die Less Often: Interface of Gun, Knife and Emtpy Hand" thread or not.

I was browsing? James A. Keating's site when I found the following link.

Edged Weapon Defense: Is or was the 21-foot rule valid? (Part 1)
Part 1 of a 2-Part Series

For more than 20 years now, a concept called the 21-Foot Rule has been a core component in training officers to defend themselves against edged weapons.

Originating from research by Salt Lake City trainer Dennis Tueller and popularized by the Street Survival Seminar and the seminal instructional video "Surviving Edged Weapons," the "rule" states that in the time it takes the average officer to recognize a threat, draw his sidearm and fire 2 rounds at center mass, an average subject charging at the officer with a knife or other cutting or stabbing weapon can cover a distance of 21 feet.

The implication, therefore, is that when dealing with an edged-weapon wielder at anything less than 21 feet an officer had better have his gun out and ready to shoot before the offender starts rushing him or else he risks being set upon and injured or killed before he can draw his sidearm and effectively defeat the attack.

Recently a Force Science News member, a deputy sheriff from Texas, suggested that "it's time for a fresh look" at the underlying principles of edged-weapon defense, to see if they are "upheld by fresh research." He observed that "the knife culture is growing, not shrinking," with many people, including the homeless, "carrying significant blades on the street." He noted that compared to scientific findings, "anecdotal evidence is not good enough when an officer is in court defending against a wrongful death claim because he felt he had to shoot some[body] with a knife at 0-dark:30 a.m."

As a prelude to more extensive studies of edged-weapon-related issues, the Force Science Research Center at Minnesota State University-Mankato has responded by reexamining the 21-Foot Rule, arguably the most widely taught and commonly remembered element of edged-weapon defense.

After testing the Rule against FSRC's landmark findings on action-reaction times and conferring with selected members of its National and Technical Advisory Boards, the Center has reached these conclusions, according to Executive Director Dr. Bill Lewinski:

1. Because of a prevalent misinterpretation, the 21-Foot Rule has been dangerously corrupted.

2. When properly understood, the 21-Foot Rule is still valid in certain limited circumstances.

3. For many officers and situations, a 21-foot reactionary gap is not sufficient.

4. The weapon that officers often think they can depend on to defeat knife attacks can't be relied upon to protect them in many cases.

5. Training in edged-weapon defense should by no means be abandoned.

In this installment of our 2-part series, we'll examine the first two points. The others will be explained in Part 2.


"Unfortunately, some officers and apparently some trainers as well have 'streamlined' the 21-Foot Rule in a way that gravely distorts its meaning and exposes them to highly undesirable legal consequences," Lewinski says. Namely, they have come to believe that the Rule means that a subject brandishing an edged weapon when positioned at any distance less than 21 feet from an officer can justifiably be shot.

For example, an article on the 21-Foot Rule in a highly respected LE magazine states in its opening sentence that "a suspect armed with an edged weapon and within twenty-one feet of a police officer presents a deadly threat." The "common knowledge" that "deadly force against him is justified" has long been "accepted in police and court circles," the article continues.

Statements like that, Lewinski says, "have led officers to believe that no matter what position they're in, even with their gun on target and their finger on the trigger, they are in extreme danger at 21 feet. They believe they don't have a chance of surviving unless they preempt the suspect by shooting.

"However widespread that contaminated interpretation may be, it is NOT accurate. A suspect with a knife within 21 feet of an officer is POTENTIALLY a deadly threat. He does warrant getting your gun out and ready. But he cannot be considered an actual threat justifying deadly force until he takes the first overt action in furtherance of intention--like starting to rush or lunge toward the officer with intent to do harm. Even then there may be factors besides distance that influence a force decision.

"So long as a subject is stationary or moving around but not advancing or giving any indication he's about to charge, it clearly is not legally justified to use lethal force against him. Officers who do shoot in those circumstances may find themselves subject to disciplinary action, civil suits or even criminal charges."

Lewinski believes the misconception of the 21-Foot Rule has become so common that some academies and in-service training programs now are reluctant to include the Rule as part of their edged-weapon defense instruction for fear of non-righteous shootings resulting.

"When you talk about the 21-Foot Rule, you have to understand what it really means when fully articulated correctly in order to judge its value as a law enforcement concept," Lewinski says. "And it does not mean 'less than 21 feet automatically equals shoot.'"


 In real-world encounters, many variables affect time, which is the key component of the 21-Foot Rule. What is the training skill and stress level of the officer? How fast and agile is he? How alert is he to preliminary cues to aggressive movement? How agile and fast is the suspect? Is he drunk and stumbling, or a young guy in a ninja outfit ready to rock and roll? How adept is the officer at drawing his holstered weapon? What kind of holster does he have? What's the terrain? If it's outdoors, is the ground bumpy or pocked with holes? Is the suspect running on concrete, or on grass, or through snow and across ice? Is the officer uphill and the suspect downhill, or vice versa? If it's indoors, is the officer at the foot of stairs and the suspect above him, or vice versa? Are there obstacles between them? And so on.

These factors and others can impact the validity of the 21-Foot Rule because they affect an attacking suspect's speed in reaching the officer, and the officer's speed in reacting to the threatening charge.

The 21-Foot Rule was formulated by timing subjects beginning their headlong run from a dead stop on a flat surface offering good traction and officers standing stationary on the same plane, sidearm holstered and snapped in. The FSRC has extensively measured action and reaction times under these same conditions. Among other things, the Center has documented the time it takes officers to make 20 different actions that are common in deadly force encounters. Here are some of the relevant findings that the FSRC applied in reevaluating the 21-Foot Rule:

? Once he perceives a signal to do so, the AVERAGE officer requires 1.5 seconds to draw from a snapped Level II holster and fire one unsighted round at center mass. Add 1/4 of a second for firing a second round, and another 1/10 of a second for obtaining a flash sight picture for the average officer.?

? The fastest officer tested required 1.31 seconds to draw from a Level II holster and get off his first unsighted round.The slowest officer tested required 2.25 seconds.?

? ?For the average officer to draw and fire an unsighted round from a snapped Level III holster, which is becoming increasingly popular in LE because of its extra security features, takes 1.7 seconds.?

 Meanwhile, the AVERAGE suspect with an edged weapon raised in the traditional "ice-pick" position can go from a dead stop to level, unobstructed surface offering good traction in 1.5-1.7 seconds.?

The "fastest, most skillful, most powerful" subject FSRC tested "easily" covered that distance in 1.27 seconds. Intense rage, high agitation and/or the influence of stimulants may even shorten that time, Lewinski observes.

Even the slowest subject "lumbered" through this distance in just 2.5 seconds.

Bottom line: Within a 21-foot perimeter, most officers dealing with most edged-weapon suspects are at a decided - perhaps fatal - disadvantage if the suspect launches a sudden charge intent on harming them. "Certainly it is not safe to have your gun in your holster at this distance," Lewinski says, and firing in hopes of stopping an activated attack within this range may well be justified.

But many unpredictable variables that are inevitable in the field prevent a precise, all-encompassing truism from being fashioned from controlled "laboratory" research.

"If you shoot an edged-weapon offender before he is actually on you or at least within reaching distance, you need to anticipate being challenged on your decision by people both in and out of law enforcement who do not understand the sobering facts of action and reaction times," says FSRC National Advisory Board member Bill Everett, an attorney, use-of-force trainer and former cop. "Someone is bound to say, 'Hey, this guy was 10 feet away when he dropped and died. Why'd you have to shoot him when he was so far away from you?'"

Be able to articulate why you felt yourself or other innocent party to be in "imminent or immediate life-threatening jeopardy and why the threat would have been substantially accentuated if you had delayed," Everett advises. You need specifically to mention the first articulable motion that indicated the subject was about to attack and was beyond your ability to influence verbally."

And remember: No single 'rule' can arbitrarily be used to determine when a particular level of force is lawful. The 21-Foot Rule has value as a rough guideline, illustrating the reactionary curve, but it is by no means an absolute.

"The Supreme Court's landmark use-of-force decision, in Graham v. Connor, established a 'reasonableness' standard," Everett reminds. "You'll be judged ultimately according to what a 'reasonable' officer would have done. All of the facts and circumstances that make up the dynamics between you and the subject will be evaluated."

Of course, some important facts may be subtle and now widely known or understood. That's where FSRC's unique findings on lethal-force dynamics fit in. Explains Lewinski: "The FSRC's research will add to your ability to articulate and explain the facts and circumstances and how they influenced your decision to use force."

Follow the link to the Part 2
494  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Abstaining before the big fight? on: September 11, 2006, 05:38:12 PM
This saturday we discussed some thoughts about adverse affects sex, drinking and other activities before an upcoming fight / tournament / gathering and whatnot and so it spurred me to do a search.  Im sure there is more material out there to read but I think the gist of it all is that it is up to the individual.

The Night Before Your Fight: Should There Be Sex?
Sex and Sports: Should Athletes Abstain Before Big Events?
Athletics: Everything you ever wanted to know about sex and peak
Debunking the no-sex rule
Abstinence While Training?
495  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Head Gear on: September 08, 2006, 09:16:49 PM
You can find the product at as well

The pic is the same so obviously they must be selling the product through different front ends.
496  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Head Gear on: September 08, 2006, 09:11:46 PM
Check this out guys

Have any of you guys tried a product like this?? There is an upcoming tournament hosted by the Pedoy School of Escrima , they wont allow fencing masks unless we have some kind of protection for the back of the head.

We are trying to come up with some kind of solution by fabricating something out of foam padding but I came upon this and thought I ask for input.
497  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Grandfathers Speak Vol. 2: Sonny Umpad on: September 08, 2006, 06:16:59 PM
 afro Cooolness!  afro

On a serious note thanks to both of you guys for the effort in producing \ capturing another volume of history.
498  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Surfboard Wax for stick grip? on: September 06, 2006, 06:50:26 PM
Wow, I never heard of that.. plenty of surf wax here in Hawaii.? I'll have to try that out!!?
499  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: MMA on: September 05, 2006, 05:55:55 PM
Yes a Triangle Choke, but it was initially reported as a armbar at moments after the win.
500  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Jason Miller wins.. damn i was hoping Lawler would.... on: September 03, 2006, 03:59:23 AM

Lawler is landing some hard knees to the head of Mayhem and it looks like Mayhem might loose this fight.

Jason "Mayhem" Miller wins with an arm bar! 

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