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1  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Escrima styles on: February 12, 2012, 05:16:43 AM
I have been cross training with some Pekiti oriented folks, though they are not exclusively Pekiti.  Which kind of lends itself to the question about "purists" and faith to an art.  Which may, in itself, be a silly concern when one considers the non rigid formation of some of the arts and the tendency of some of the masters to accentuate their own flavor than to adhere to a strict set.  My balintawak looks quite a bit different from my close friend's, but you can still see we are playing a similar concept.  What distresses me is to see another corto ranged stylists abandon vertical structures, or their live hand under stress and revert to something that relies on athleticism or other physical attributes than stylized technique.  I really enjoyed a DBMA video of Mr. Pallen sparring, and LOVED how he took a minute to get settled but eventually demonstrated a really nice defensive structure indicative of Cebuano stylists.  I really appreciated his willingness to "test" things out too, and liked seeing him adapt his existing skill sets to a new stress.

Ultimately, the outcome of an encounter is most important, though the methods used can be pretty damn important too!  I definitely like the Pekiti flow, and their work at largo range forces me to be committed to entering into corto, where I feel pretty comfortable.  But man, on the outside I demonstrate NOTHING similar to my corto base and rely on attributes rather than technique.  I don't however feel that I'm cheating the art... I just don't have as much to use out there.  But if I DO adopt a skill set on the outside, from Pekiti, for example, am I being untrue to either? If that makes sense... And does faith to an art even matter?  But if you aren't committed to the skill set trained in an art, then what the hell is the sense in spending hours doing it for?  If an art encourages practicing a particular drill, but that drill NEVER has application under stress, does it have any real value?  I have seen very skilled corto stylists, whose close range drills are beautifully honed, demonstrate NONE of it under stress, and wonder, why didn't they just practice something else that would encourage an athletic skill set if that's what they will use in a fight?  All of the training meant nothing in an encounter!

Thanks for the input!  I really appreciate the learned advice and comments from others on this forum!

2  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Escrima styles on: February 11, 2012, 07:13:44 AM
Hi all! 

Just wondering what others have observed about different styles of escrima and their suitability in full contact engagements.  I have more experience with corto range arts, and am expanding into largo.  I have done a fair bit of full contact sparring (with and without different levels of protective gear).  I have always been a "purist" enthusiast, meaning if one studies Doce Pares (for example), and an independent observer can watch their movement and technique and determine independently what their background is, they are faithful to their teaching.  I have trained in rigid environments where all of the technique disappears in a fight and looks nothing like the original style.  Then I wonder, what's the point of training lIke this if the training is not evident in application?  I have also trained in environments where there is no clear "pedigree" and notice there is a lack of understanding in movements that are borrowed liberally from others.

I have intentionally used very stylized technique in fights before simply to see if the technique is valid under stress.  I have also trained with groups who do not test their technique under stress at all, but they sure look pretty fluid in training!  But a determined, aggressive opponent makes years of their training disappear.

Do others feel certain styles are more suitable for fighting?  Is hybridized technique, and not purist constructs, the most realistic solution? Is style more important that methodology and intent in training, or vice versatile?  Is there any point in studying a single style/system?  There seems to be no truly successful MMA purist, but definitely fighters with strong foundations that branch out to supplement their game.  Has anyone seen fighters with little to no formal escrima training fight successfully in full contact events?  If so, were they relying on other skill sets?

Just curious.  My journey continues and I appreciate the nuanced input of others!
3  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: protective gear on: November 01, 2009, 07:39:18 AM
Good suggestions!  Football lineman gloves!  Wish I'd thought of that... LOL!  I've picked up all sorts of stuff wondering about flexibility/dexterity and the protection that it sacrifices... from soccer goalie gloves to MMA gloves, and everything in between.

I've been using Lacrosse gloves lately.  They make intricate motion very challenging (because of the bulk on the back of the fingers).  I have also tried hockey gloves (same issues) and prior to that, WEKAF style gloves, which really did nothing for me. 

I'm gonna pass by Dick's Sporting Goods today and try some lineman gloves!  Thanks for posting!

4  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Deadliest Warrior on: March 14, 2009, 05:54:13 PM
Looks pretty cool!  I'll keep an eye out for it!  Thanks for sharing it.
5  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: What would you like to see from DBMA? on: December 13, 2008, 12:31:00 PM
Though I like the technique oriented material, I really enjoy historical footage and the anecdotal interviews from the Gradfathers speak videos.  I also agree that documentary work, that displays the prep work and training methods that others use to get in fighting condition, etc. would be great.  Specific techniques and training movements are one thing, while methods are another, if that makes any sense.  Thanks!
6  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Kali - Silat - Muay Thai on: October 17, 2008, 11:40:33 AM
Thanks for weighing in, Crafty.

I guess that the amount of fight experience I have is relative - in relationship to some of the others here, I am a neophyte.  Nonetheless, I am growing as an artist and testing my skills in different competitive venues when the opportunity exists (either in actual formal competitive "events" or informal sparring matches with training partners).  That said though, as a developing fighter/artist, I can appreciate that my ability to develop fighting technique from the practice of arts that do not regularly test free-fighting skills may not lead me to be the best fighter that I can be.

I especially appreciate the need to work things out to make sure they work for me.  The fact that your experience with Bukti Negara, for example, suggests that the training was rather devoid of testing confirms my impressions about this "cluster" of arts, in general.  I have the greatest respect for all martial artists, and am therefore not trying to disrespect anyone.  Rather, I am trying to find the best fit for me that is informed by the experiences of others.

I've decided to concentrate on the Muay Thai skills for now and continue to incoroprate some grappling, because these seem to be the best fit for me right now.  I think C-Kaju dog's comment about training with those who have an escrima background is very insightful, and doing so will do the most to complement both my empty handed as well as weapon fighting skills.

The key for me, right now at least, is to develop the most effective fighting skill sets that address various ranges, and I think that the "stick and kick" is kinda the way for me to go right now.  Thanks a lot for the input!  It is invaluable to me right now.
7  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Kali - Silat - Muay Thai on: August 27, 2008, 05:43:28 PM
Yes, the Muay Thai instructor also teaches Kali, although I currently train in escrima with another group which is rather small, but has considerable "depth" within the community.  Furthermore, he is listed as a Dog Brothers instructor, which inclines me toward his curriculum.  He also teaches Silat, but interestingly, it is not his silat curriculum that I have really considered too much.  Nonetheless, yes, he does teach stick skills - which is an interesting point to consider! 

I had not considered the relevance of their background in stickfighting before you mentioned it here.  Thank you!

The silat instructor I am considering pursuing instruction with is one of the top Bukti Negara members in the country.  He has a background with the same escrima group I train with, but had limited time with our group several years ago.  For whatever reason, he chose to concentrate on silat and seemingly devoted his life to it.

In short, both are very qualified instructors and good people.  Both offer legitimate instruction.  The question I have is which of the two arts would complement my stick fighting training the most? 

I have begun to compete in stickfighting tournaments and would really like to start attending the Dog Brothers gatherings, so I am looking forward to training in arts that lend themselves to actual fighting in addition to their artistic and creative value.  I have respect for a wide range of arts (so I'm not trying to diss anyone), but am specifically seeking to complement my fighting skills both "competitively" in tournaments with limited or full protective equipment and contact as well as being prepared for "real world" possibilities.

Thanks a lot for resonding!
8  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Kali - Silat - Muay Thai on: August 27, 2008, 04:51:50 PM
Not to pose a question that might seem too stupid, but...

As a current escrima student, looking to broaden my horizons and add to my empty hand skills (which will hopefully complement my stick skills), I'm considering two potential paths: silat or muay thai.  Because I have limited time and finances (who doesn't, right), I'm trying to narrow my focus to one only and am having trouble deciding.  The available instruction in both is outstanding, so that's not an issue, but because I don't have an extensive background in either, don't know which of the two would contribute the most to escrima.

I may, in fact, choose to spend time with both at some point, but can only afford to participate in one right now.

Do any of the readers of this forum have any input on which of the two would be most beneficial to a student of the filipino martial arts?  I'm really not asking for a popularity poll, but rather an honest response from people who have an informed opinion about both or either.

Thanks in advance!
9  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: DB Gathering of the Pack August 10th, 2008 on: August 09, 2008, 12:03:18 PM
Good luck to everyone participating!  Be safe and strong.  I look forward to hearing the after action reports.  Til then - suerte!
10  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Kali Fitness on DVD ? on: June 15, 2008, 03:37:52 PM
Thanks for the referral to the reviews Crafty.  I look forward to ordering a copy sometime in the near future.

11  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Kali Fitness on DVD ? on: June 15, 2008, 10:40:45 AM
I've thought about getting this video, but I would like to preview the video first. Anyone know if there are any clips avail online anywhere?  I've previewed every video I've purchased, and would just like to see a bit of this one before I order it.  I've started some competitive stuff and would like to do some fitness training that is kali specific rather than modifying other training regimens to fit a stick fighting style.  I thought this might be a good way to do it.  Thanks.
12  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Balintawak and Dog Brothers Martial Arts on: April 03, 2008, 02:50:33 PM
Thanks for the responses! 

Closing from largo to corto is obviously the heart of the matter.  Furthermore, once in corto range, as experience and observation teaches us, grappling can come into play which can effectively nullify a lot of the percussive stand up stick fighting techniques for either the corto or largo stylist. 

I recently discussed the idea of closing with a Balintawak person, and they noted that the Dog Brothers style of attacking blocks is one of the most effective ways to bridge the gap.  I thought this was pretty intriguing, and in a purist sense, would mean the attributes of the stick fighter would then be more important than the style they practiced once they were in the range that they preferred or were trained to fight at (if stand up escrima/kali technique was as far as the fight went and did not involve grappling).

Admittedly, a corto stylist appears to have an edge on the inside, but I'm wondering what the observations of others have been.  Have Balintawak or Serrada stylists participated in the Gatherings, where their techniques were tested against other participants who were engaging them "with prejudice?"  If so, how did the corto range stylists fare? 

Thanks for the input!
13  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Balintawak and Dog Brothers Martial Arts on: April 02, 2008, 07:52:52 PM
Hi all!  I'm just curious about how a style that appears to address more "corto" range techniques (such as Balintawak, as I have seen it practiced... which arguably may not be representative of all Balintawak practicioners) fare in free flow sparring against those who practice "longer" range styles.  I have the very greatest respect for both, and this is not to decide which is better, but rather to illicit the observations of others who may have been able to observe the two in application against each other.  I realize that individual attributes can often lend much to an engagement, regardless of style, but am just wondering how they have been observed in either stick or knife fights.  Thank you very much.
14  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Re: Stick fighting tournaments on: September 24, 2006, 08:37:37 PM
Thanks a lot for your input!  I also feel that I should concentrate on non DBMA events before even checking into attending a gathering (so I can work on gaining experience like your newer fighters).  Being newer to the FMA styles, I'd really like to develop my skills in a challenging or competitive manner so I'm not just swingin' for the fences.
Thanks again!
15  DBMA Martial Arts Forum / Martial Arts Topics / Stick fighting tournaments on: September 24, 2006, 02:51:09 PM
Hey all!  I'm new to the board, but very excited/interested in the content.  I would just like to get an impression about how others here feel about the value of participating in various stickfighting tournaments.  I've noticed quite a few opportunities around the country through various organizations and wonder how these events are generally received by DBMA.  I understand the padded stick format, or even WEKAF body armor style and "limited" contact (prohibiting the use of kicks or grappling in some cases) may not be consistent with the Dog Brothers philosophy, but wonder how others here might feel about the value of these formats to improve general skills.  How was the experience of those here who might have participated in these type events in the past?

Thanks in advance for any input you can provide.

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