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 41 
 on: June 21, 2017, 07:58:21 AM 
Started by Crafty_Dog - Last post by DougMacG
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/06/20/tesla-car-battery-production-releases-as-much-co2-as-8-years-of-gasoline-driving/

Partially challenged by this:  https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/no-tesla-batteries-are-not-a-global-warming-disaster

Also see:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Anthony_Watts

'World's quickest car', the Tesla I drove is not any kind of economy car:  http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/07/technology/motor-trend-tesla-acceleration/index.html
All wheel drive cornering and 15-85mph acceleration in about 2 seconds, it's more like a ride at the fair.  Amazing software control of everything from self drive mode to the charging of the battery.  You buy this car because you like that sort of thing.  Don't buy it save energy or to eliminate emissions because it doesn't.  The Nissan Leaf is more comparable to a conventional car. 

The CO2 factor depends on how we power our grid, in manufacturing and for charging.  Powering via electricity is not cleaner when the marginal unit of energy is produced with the same fossil fuels.

Tesla is building all-solar charging stations, and for early, buyers, usage is free.  But real charging happens at home and at work on the mix of the local grid.  In most places, if you add any usage and especially night time usage, the extra energy will come from fossil fuels, coal or natural gas.  Besides expensive and relatively low capacity, solar and wind are not very reliable at night.

We should build nuclear capacity to power the grid if we want a shift of transportation to electric and be carbon free.  Otherwise run the cars directly on natural gas. 


Sourcewatch should do a source watch report on themselves.  What a one-sided, ad hominem attack that was.

 42 
 on: June 21, 2017, 07:50:51 AM 
Started by Crafty_Dog - Last post by ccp
   
"McCain funded by Soros?"

I saw this too and am surprised.

From everything we have read about Soros it is not likely it is because Soros thinks of McCain as a hero or great American
It is because he thinks of him as a useful idiot!

Which he often is!   

 43 
 on: June 21, 2017, 01:06:04 AM 
Started by Crafty Dog - Last post by Crafty_Dog


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/06/21/pro-isis-rebels-storm-school-in-philippines-students-held-hostage.html

 44 
 on: June 21, 2017, 12:51:15 AM 
Started by Crafty_Dog - Last post by Crafty_Dog
https://unitedhumanists.com/2017/05/07/science-has-a-new-explanation-for-homosexuality/

 45 
 on: June 21, 2017, 12:48:04 AM 
Started by Crafty_Dog - Last post by Crafty_Dog
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/us/politics/mike-pompeo-cia.html?emc=edit_na_20170620&nl=breaking-news&nlid=49641193&ref=cta&_r=0

 46 
 on: June 21, 2017, 12:47:31 AM 
Started by Crafty_Dog - Last post by Crafty_Dog
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/us/politics/mike-pompeo-cia.html?emc=edit_na_20170620&nl=breaking-news&nlid=49641193&ref=cta&_r=0

 47 
 on: June 20, 2017, 10:32:50 PM 
Started by Crafty_Dog - Last post by Crafty_Dog
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/06/20/tesla-car-battery-production-releases-as-much-co2-as-8-years-of-gasoline-driving/

Partially challenged by this:  https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/no-tesla-batteries-are-not-a-global-warming-disaster

Also see:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Anthony_Watts

 48 
 on: June 20, 2017, 10:11:37 PM 
Started by G M - Last post by Crafty_Dog
Tucker Carlson let rip on this tonight.

 49 
 on: June 20, 2017, 10:10:39 PM 
Started by Crafty_Dog - Last post by Crafty_Dog
Source unknown

http://www.youngcons.com/ariz-sen-john-mccains-foundation-funded-by-anti-american-leftist-billionaire-george-soros/?ref=FacebookPost

 50 
 on: June 20, 2017, 07:57:50 PM 
Started by G M - Last post by ccp
People are laughing at someone who is begging for his life?   angry

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nicholas-fondacaro/2017/06/19/flashback-comedy-central-huffpo-mocked-capture-otto-warmbier

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