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 on: June 21, 2016, 09:07:28 AM 
Started by Crafty_Dog - Last post by ccp

"“There were so many gay victims involved with the attack, and so many of their loved ones were moved to step up and help their fellow Americans — but were unable to,” Rep. Jared Polis, D-Colo., told the Daily Beast. “All of the pretenses of this policy are gone — it was never based on science in the first place"

Oh really!  No science to back it up?  Wrong.  Amazing how liberals want to stick science in our conservative faces every day except when it is not convenient for their agendas: 

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Book showing how politics trumped science in the early spread of AIDS in NYC back in the 1980s.

 on: June 21, 2016, 07:59:19 AM 
Started by Crafty Dog - Last post by G M
Do we have more Muslims waging jihad or helping law enforcement? I will will bet it's the former.

 on: June 21, 2016, 07:46:51 AM 
Started by Crafty_Dog - Last post by ccp
One can bash Trump but

can one only imagine how frustrating it would have been if we had had ANOTHER establishment running?

 on: June 20, 2016, 10:48:39 PM 
Started by Crafty_Dog - Last post by Crafty_Dog

 on: June 20, 2016, 10:36:29 PM 
Started by Crafty Dog - Last post by Crafty_Dog


 on: June 20, 2016, 10:32:17 PM 
Started by Crafty_Dog - Last post by Crafty_Dog
As always YA, your posts are greatly appreciated.

 on: June 20, 2016, 10:30:08 PM 
Started by Crafty_Dog - Last post by Crafty_Dog

 on: June 20, 2016, 10:26:14 PM 
Started by ccp - Last post by Crafty_Dog

 on: June 20, 2016, 10:16:52 PM 
Started by G M - Last post by G M

The ignored won't be ignored forever.

 on: June 20, 2016, 09:48:05 PM 
Started by Crafty_Dog - Last post by DougMacG
Leftism and guns, the goal is restrict something, anything, just get restrictions passed on guns.  The latest is the terror watch list, ban the sale of guns to people on the "terror watch list", whatever that is.  1.1 million people.  Makes sense.  Unless you examine it.

A couple of points on that.  First is the trick question, which is your favorite right in the Bill of Rights?  Hopefully ALL of them!  In this case, not just the second amendment applies but also due process, the 5th (and 14th).

"[N]or shall any person . . . be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"

I am against selling weapons to terrorists.  Are the 1.1 million people on the terror watch list terrorists?

If you go back to the due process clause, the ones we know are terrorists aren't out buying guns; they are in prison or dead.

Was Omar dumbshit, the gay hating gay Muslim ISIS surrogate (don't want to know his name) on the terror watch list?  No.  He was taken off the list.  Why?  I don't know.  Bureaucrats make mistakes.  Law enforcement missed something.  He hadn't committed a crime. People who manage lists of a million people don't get everything right.  Maybe it was 4:00 in a government office when his name should have been re-entered.  Some didn't want to speak up against him because he was Muslim.  Whatever the reason, this wouldn't have stopped him.  Does that change the minds of liberals?  No.   Their goal is restrict something, anything, just get some restrictions passed on guns.  (I repeat myself.  So do they.)

I am for declaring war on Radical Islam in all its iterations.  If that were the case and if law enforcement and military  intelligence were on it, the man who was communicating with, visiting and training with the enemy would be in jail, so would all his mentors, all with due process, and they would not be out buying guns.

A person on the terror watch list can't fly but can't buy a gun.  Why?  One is an enumerated right.  One is not a recognized right.  In law we have all kinds of standards. preponderance of evidence, proof beyond a reasonable doubt, rational basis, strict scrutiny, intermediate scrutiny, etc. etc.  What standard goes into putting a person on the terror watch list?  No one knows.  All we know is they aren't right or dertain enough to arrest them and they miss people all the time.

Meanwhile our border is open and while you were reading this more terrorists and illegal guns came in.  I recommend keeping the right to defend yourself.

And for the areas where the constitution has it wrong or times have changed, I recommend the constitutional amendment process, not governing by the willy nilly whims of leftists.

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