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 on: October 20, 2016, 03:57:32 PM 
Started by Crafty_Dog - Last post by DougMacG

Fewer Americans Have Private Health Insurance Now Than in 2007

No progress whatsoever in 10 years since Democrats took Washington.  More people can't stand on their own, need government assistance.  Remember when we used to judge their effectiveness by how many people no longer need the program?

 on: October 20, 2016, 03:54:25 PM 
Started by ccp - Last post by DougMacG
Let’s try a thought experiment. Suppose that during one of the October 2000 presidential debates, Vice President Al Gore had been asked the following question: “Do you make the . . . commitment that you’ll absolutely accept the result of the election?” Moderator Chris Wallace put that query to Donald Trump last night.

Now for the experimental part: Imagine Gore giving a completely truthful answer—that is, an answer that not only reflected his honest intent but accurately anticipated how he would respond to various scenarios, including the one that actually obtained.

It seems to us that Gore’s hypothetical answer would be similar to Trump’s actual one—not the long back-and-forth in which Trump enumerated complaints including media bias, FBI corruption and poorly maintained voter roles, but the prospective bottom line, to wit: “I will look at it at the time. I’m not looking at anything now, I’ll look at it at the time. . . . What I’m saying is that I will tell you at the time. I’ll keep you in suspense, OK?”

Gore probably wouldn’t have said “I’ll keep you in suspense, OK?”—that’s a distinctly Trumpian bit of showmanship—but if he were being completely truthful, he would say, as Trump did, that he would keep his options open and respond to circumstances as they arose. And did they ever arise. True, Gore delivered a gracious concession speech, but not until Dec. 13, more than a month after Election Day.

It isn’t hard to imagine a counterfactual scenario in which Gore would have conceded on the normal schedule. If George W. Bush’s initial margin in Florida had been, say, 60,000 votes (just over 1% of the total) instead of around 2,000, there would have been nothing to contest. But the narrow margin in a decisive state led to weeks of lawsuits and selective recounts—and, even after Gore’s concession, to years of bitter claims that he wuz robbed.

Among those bitterly clinging to the myth of the stolen election—or at least propagating it for political purposes—was Hillary Clinton.

 on: October 20, 2016, 02:35:50 PM 
Started by ccp - Last post by DougMacG

I also had to do five of these  rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes

when Hillary said her policies will help small businesses!

That is absurd.  

Right and she will also add not a cent to the deficit - by expanding on exactly what caused the last $10 trillion.

For the low hanging curve balls that Trump missed, I wonder if enough viewers get it anyway.

 on: October 20, 2016, 02:21:43 PM 
Started by ccp - Last post by ccp

I also had to do five of these  rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes

when Hillary said her policies will help small businesses!

That is absurd.   

 on: October 20, 2016, 02:16:14 PM 
Started by Crafty_Dog - Last post by ccp

 on: October 20, 2016, 02:11:29 PM 
Started by DougMacG - Last post by DougMacG
Rubio makes a good point IMHO to note the danger of accepting leaks, breaches and ill-gotten material.  That said, as others pointed out, we play on their playing field and cannot accept two sets of rules.  When the leaks expose Republicans, the adversaries aren't going to look the other way.  Good grief.

Trump should have turned this into example and proof that HER choice of unsecured communications was reckless and dangerous.  Emails of valuable targets get hacked.

It is also an interesting to the deletion of 33,000 wedding planning emails.  We will eventually know. 

 on: October 20, 2016, 02:01:54 PM 
Started by Quijote - Last post by Crafty_Dog

 on: October 20, 2016, 01:58:32 PM 
Started by ccp - Last post by DougMacG
1.  Heller wasn't about toddlers.  It was about the right or lack of a right of a 66 year old retired policeman to own a gun in Washington DC where the local government had banned guns in defiance of the 2nd amendment.  .0001 of gun deaths are toddlers.  Hillary lied.  She opposes the second amendment and is too dishonest and expedient to just propose its repeal.

2. What is 'difficult' about Roe-Wade, pro-life, "pro-choice' and difficult, personal healthcare decisions is that it takes a life.  She can blather with the best about cancer screening, as if only an abortion house can do that, and NEVER mention why the "choice" is difficult. It takes a life, 98% of abortions are for convenience reasons and support for partial birth abortions puts you in the furthest left of the left beyond even her own party.  Hillary lied by omission.

3. Hillary does not support open borders?  But that is exactly what she said and she supports the status quo that every reasonable person categorizes as open borders.  She explicitly supported everything that failed in Reagan's reform and the 2006 border act.

Her Brazilian comment about her dream of open borders was about energy.  Really?  Energy borders??

4. Hillary's described her economic plan only in terms of government making 'investments' in things that used to be private sector.  Distinguished it in NO way from the Obama plan that brought $10 trillion more debt and 1% growth.

5. TPP, She was for it before she was against it.  He will negotiate a better one.  She will do what?  Didn't say.  Just spewing what her pollsters and political advisers wrote.

6. Hillary defended the good work of the Foundation without denying or addressing the question about pay to play that has  been documented and proven.

7.  Hillary blamed Bush for the Obama economy.  Seriously??  What Bush did wrong is fail to oppose Democratic policies she STILL supports.

8.  Most noteworthy are all the things not mentioned.  Number one in my mind, This Clinton opposes all the policies that unleashed private sector growth in the Clinton I administration and supports all the policies that held back growth, income and wages in the Obama and Chavez-Maduro administrations.

The fallout from this is unknown.  Not many are moved on either side no matter what they say but so many undecideds have yet to make their decision.  Hillary looks the readiest to settle in and work with the existing establishment in both parties, the bureaucracy, the media, the allies and the adversaries.  She will be crooked but she is a known crook.  She will steal more furniture, raise the cost of healthcare and government and shrink real wages.  The verdict if she wins is 'more of the same', not 'the first woman' as media will declare.

If Trump wins it will be American Brexit.  The country that polls more than 2:1 wrong track over right direction will have spoken by giving the establishment of both parties and the status quo the back of their hand or worse.  Like Brexit, the country and the new administration will have to pick up the pieces from scratch.  There will be a new tax code.  A deletion of thousands of unconstitutional regulations and a re-opening of all international agreements with an eye toward protecting American interests.  Like or hate Trump personally, that possibility has to be at least tempting for a majority of the people.

 on: October 20, 2016, 01:46:37 PM 
Started by ccp - Last post by DDF
It doesn't matter who wins at this point.

The United States has suffered a marital argument from which, there is no recovery.

Vote rigging in terms of machines, lack of paper ballots and resistance from the Left everytime voter ID comes up.

There is no fixing this, this time around. Smart people already know it.

Whoever wins, the other side (just as Gore has), will contest the vote, feel cheated (and with good reason, congressional hearings on the matter not being the least of them), and will never accept the other side as their leader.

This ends in either a divided republic or a Trump presidency, and even if Trump wins, the country is so balkanized, that it cannot be fixed, due to the disparity in political ideology.

Whether that division is peaceful or not is another matter.

 on: October 20, 2016, 12:54:50 PM 
Started by DougMacG - Last post by Crafty_Dog
Not noble (or "nobel" sic  cheesy )  but naive.

"To ignore this information is the same mistake Republicans make ad nauseam ; that is try to take a  high road only to get buried by the liberals  and lose the war."


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