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« Reply #1150 on: June 17, 2016, 05:37:47 PM »

Paul Ryan threatens to sue Donald Trump if he tries to enact temporary ban on Muslim immigration

JUNE 17, 2016 3:06 PM BY ROBERT SPENCER

Paul Ryan and the Republican establishment seem determined to do two things: to elect Hillary Clinton President of the United States this November, and to make sure that nothing impedes the huge influx of Muslim migrants into the U.S.

Yet San Bernardino shooter Tashfeen Malik had passed five separate background checks from five separate US government agencies. Ahmad al-Mohammed and one other of the jihadis who murdered 130 people in Paris in November 2015 had just entered Europe as refugees. In February 2015, the Islamic State boasted it would soon flood Europe with as many as 500,000 refugees. And the Lebanese Education Minister said in September 2015 that there were 20,000 jihadis among the refugees in camps in his country.

Meanwhile, 80% of migrants who have come to Europe claiming to be fleeing the war in Syria aren’t really from Syria at all. So why are they claiming to be Syrian and streaming into Europe, and now the U.S. as well? An Islamic State operative gave the answer when he boasted in September 2015, shortly after the migrant influx began, that among the flood of refugees, 4,000 Islamic State jihadis had already entered Europe. He explained their purpose: “It’s our dream that there should be a caliphate not only in Syria but in all the world, and we will have it soon, inshallah.” These Muslims were going to Europe in the service of that caliphate: “They are going like refugees,” he said, but they were going with the plan of sowing blood and mayhem on European streets. As he told this to journalists, he smiled and said, “Just wait.”

Paul Ryan doesn’t care. He only cares that the bipartisan politically correct establishment retains its power.


“Paul Ryan says he might sue Donald Trump if he tried to enact the Muslim ban,” by Allan Smith, Business Insider, June 17, 2016:

Paul Ryan considers Donald Trump’s proposal to indefinitely ban Muslim immigration into the US to be executive overreach.

And during an interview with The Huffington Post, uploaded on Friday, the House speaker said he’d “sue any president that exceeds his or her powers.”

Ryan, who said Trump supported the separation of powers when the speaker endorsed the presumptive Republican nominee, released part of his agenda regarding executive overreach this week.

However, Ryan is not totally sure if Trump enacting a ban on Muslims entering the country would be outside of presidential authority.

“That’s a legal question that there’s a good debate about,” Ryan said, pointing to the 1952 Immigration and Nationality Act. That act was meant to exclude immigrants from certain countries from coming to the US in the aftermath of World War II.

On Monday, Trump made the appeal that he could legally enact such a ban as president.

“The immigration laws of the United States give the president powers to suspend entry into the country of any class of persons,” he said at a rally. “I will suspend immigration from areas of the world where there is a proven history of terrorism against the United States, Europe or our allies, until we fully understand how to end these threats.”…
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« Reply #1151 on: June 17, 2016, 08:04:29 PM »

NOW Ryan is speaking up!?

Not when we have 8 yrs of Obama ruling like a dictator but now - against his own party's nominee!

Sorry but he has his head on backwards.

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« Reply #1152 on: June 17, 2016, 08:41:24 PM »

I can remember when I used to like Ryan.

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« Reply #1153 on: June 17, 2016, 09:42:03 PM »

Ryan is wrong here, very wrong on more than one level.

Legally he is wrong-- the president does have this power

On the merits he is wrong.

Politically he is wrong-- this elects Hillary.
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« Reply #1154 on: June 20, 2016, 09:15:34 AM »

GOOD move!:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/21/us/politics/corey-lewandowski-donald-trump.html
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« Reply #1155 on: June 20, 2016, 09:37:36 AM »

Ryan is wrong here, very wrong on more than one level.

Legally he is wrong-- the president does have this power

On the merits he is wrong.

Politically he is wrong-- this elects Hillary.
   angry angry cry

People, especially Trump, put the wrong emphasis on his controversial, 'ban all Muslims' statement""

"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on,"

We've been through this since Trump entered the race.  That statement was intended to inflame and divide.  He should have instantly switched the emphasis to THIS ADMINISTRATION NOT KNOWING OR ADMITTING WHAT IS GOING ON.

The time it takes for our country's representatives to figure out what is going on should be instantaneous.  On Day One of the Trump administration, we would figure out what is going on, right?  So there was no ban on "all Muslims" coming.  Yet Ryan and others are constantly being pressured to respond to whatever the apparent nominee of his own party is saying.

The refugee crisis was caused by this administration's failures in that region.  The refugees include some 10% who are jihadists coming here to potentially kill us and a much larger percentage who side with ISIS and the enemies of the US.

e pluribus unem - out of many, one.  That is what we are and who we are.  It is not what those coming in now seek.

Fine to blame Ryan on the details of his statement, the legal aspects of one branch challenging another (as if Obama appointed judges would side with the law), but his need to distance himself and House Republicans from this assault on all Muslims was Donald Trump's creation.

In fact, we will only solve this global security crisis when all peaceful Muslims (yes, there is such a thing and there needs to be!) are able to separate themselves from the radical jihadists.

G M wrote, "I can remember when I used to like Ryan".   Paul Ryan was a protege of Jack Kemp, one of the biggest proponents of opportunity economics and leader of the Reagan reforms that led to a quarter century of greatly increased prosperity.  That is my wing of the party.  Now, because of the recklessness of Donald Trump, Paul Ryan is reduced to chasing Donald Trump's shiny objects and siding with Democrats over Republicans on key points.  WHY AREN'T THEY TALKING ABOUT LOWERING THE HIGHEST BUSINESS TAX RATES IN THE WORLD?

Donald Trump wasn't going to ban all Muslims from entering the country.  He isn't going to impose 40% or 45% tariffs on Mexico or China.  He isn't going to evaluate female cabinet members by breast size.  But he is going to say things that require others to distance themselves from him.  That benefits Democrats, costs us the Senate and perhaps the House, in addition to installing Hillary Rodham Clinton in the White House.

This is Paul Ryan's fault?  Sorry, I don't see it that way.
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« Reply #1156 on: June 20, 2016, 11:00:46 AM »

Has Ryan done anything of note to stand up to president pen-and-drone?
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« Reply #1157 on: June 20, 2016, 11:24:40 AM »

Has Ryan done anything of note to stand up to president pen-and-drone?

Not to my knowledge. 

The Obama leftist over-reach brought us the Republican House and eventually the Senate.  The failure of both to stand up to him brought us the Trump opening and Ted Cruz as the last reasonable alternative.  Neither were ready or positioned to win a general election.  The Trump nomination victory is bringing us more leftist over-reach. 

Full circle.  Stuck on stupid.

Republican-run House.  Republican majority Senate (not 60 votes).  31 Republican Governors to 18 for the Dems.  70% of the state houses are now Republican because of distaste for leftism out in the heartland.  And we are still ruled by Leftism everywhere.

Politically we were better off watching them run us into the ground than helping them do it.
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« Reply #1158 on: June 20, 2016, 11:29:30 AM »

So, as I see it, we have the dem machine running this country into the ground and Ryan-o and his peers can only be aroused to fight Trump.
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« Reply #1159 on: June 20, 2016, 11:33:59 AM »

"This is Paul Ryan's fault?  Sorry, I don't see it that way."

Doug, he shares some blame as do most of the Repubs who have been in power for the last 15 years.
 or at least last 8.

The reason Trump blew aside the field is not because Ryan or most of the others have done a particularly good job or because they are innocent bystanders.

But I agree Trump does put all of us in positions of defending his vulgarity crudeness and the rest.

His messages are mostly good but again he needs more couth, that he does not have.

So what do we do now?  I don't know. Getting rid of Lowendowski certainly signals Trump is listening to more reasoned people around him.

GM: "So, as I see it, we have the dem machine running this country into the ground and Ryan-o and his peers can only be aroused to fight Trump."

Right ;  Where was Ryans big mouth and fighting spirit for the last 8 years.  Now he is suddenly rock strong?  Now that the left can use him to make THEIR points !
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« Reply #1160 on: June 20, 2016, 12:43:06 PM »

I don't see Ryan as a RINO.  I agree (mostly) with him on policy, just not on how to conduct war with the left.  To be fair, he led the charge against Obamacare and has been the Speaker for about a minute - in an election year.  I expect his policy agenda to be the best available blueprint going forward (it just won't be implemented).

That said, he was soft on illegal immigration - the Trump opening, and soft on de-funding leftism - the Cruz opening.

On the current course, assuming Trump loses and R's lose the Senate and win the House, Ryan may all we have left.  I do not expect his long term approach in that situation to be the same as Boehner's.  If Trump can win, Ryan will be necessary for anything good to happen.

I have no problem with him presenting the House as a check and balance over a President within his own party.  The failure to stand up to Obama is a past mistake from which Republicans may never recover.  It divided the movement and empowered the opposition.


"So what do we do now?  I don't know."

We picked the wrong guy.  70% negatives.  Makes Hillary look popular.  Who could have seen this coming?  whatever...

The only guy who can solve it now is Trump.  If the delegates suddenly switched allegiances and installed Rubio, Kasich, Walker or anyone else as nominee right now we would divide and lose even worse.  God help us.

My thought is that I will support and help Trump make his journey to becoming a better candidate and President who will make America Great Again by openly criticizing him on every policy and statement that deserves it.  Same goes for Ryan his new role.
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« Reply #1161 on: June 20, 2016, 01:35:38 PM »

Conservative Review's Liberty score is one way to gauge the leaders politics on a conservative - liberal scale so to speak:

Speaker Ryan's "Liberty Score" is only 55 % which is not high.  Looking closely though he scores poorly on spending and more conservatively on other issues.  Probably from voting to fund everything Da Bamster wants.  I recall Levin talking about how Ryan asked him to read his book and that he and Mark have more in common in political philosophy then Mark gives him credit but Mark was not having it.  I am not a blind follower of Levin but I usually do agree with him probably 90 or 95 % of the time so this was telling to me about Ryan:

https://www.conservativereview.com/members/paul-ryan/liberty-card/
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« Reply #1162 on: June 20, 2016, 10:30:08 PM »

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/21/us/politics/donald-trump-money-campaign.html?emc=edit_na_20160620&nlid=49641193&ref=cta
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« Reply #1163 on: June 21, 2016, 07:46:51 AM »

One can bash Trump but

can one only imagine how frustrating it would have been if we had had ANOTHER establishment running?

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/436829/donald-trump-supporters-policy
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« Reply #1164 on: June 22, 2016, 09:25:58 AM »

This race is Trump's to win.  Latest poll shows him leading Clinton on the economy and he most certainly should be able to make the case he would make us more secure.

Regarding the unforced errors, they are correctable.  The first thing he addressed after firing his campaign manager is the Warren-Pocahontas mess.  First, the joke was Faux-cahontas.  Warren isn't some beautiful native princess, she is a phony.  He corrected it by saying he was wrong and that it was an insult to Pocahontas.  I'm guessing people LOVED hearing him say he was wrong even if it was only about a throwaway line about an irrelevant leftist.  He is wrong on some other things too.  Correct them and get focused on two things, being the best choice for the economy and best on security.  Shouldn't be that hard; his opponent is running to continue our economic and security problems.
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« Reply #1165 on: June 22, 2016, 02:38:23 PM »

This certainly resonates with me!!!!

No one else Ryan or anyone else has been saying what the left is doing to us.

Including the big tech giants who are happy to spread their business world wide , which is ok with me but not at the gigantic expense of losing our borders and our sovereignty!

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/22/2016-election-trumps-policy-americanism-vs-clintons-policy-globalism/

A friend of mine still says thank God for Trump.   I don't know I am there yet but four fingers are crossed on two hands behind my back.
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« Reply #1166 on: June 22, 2016, 04:20:55 PM »

From NPR  shocked :

http://www.npr.org/2016/06/22/483090531/trump-just-gave-the-speech-republicans-have-been-waiting-20-years-to-hear

Of course the NYT is already posting their girl's teams response .  But who cares what she says.  Listening to her is an absurd waste of time.

But here is DJT speech:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/transcript-trump-speech-on-the-stakes-of-the-election-224654
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« Reply #1167 on: June 22, 2016, 05:45:23 PM »

I caught Trump's speech this morning while stretching out.

Very encouraging!

Particularly catching my attention were:

1) Appealing to gays-- he did this after Orlando, (every American deserves to be protected, every American has a right to be armed to defend themselves)-- this will serve well to blunt the bigotry/homphobia demogoguery charges not only viz gays but also signals that Trump stands aside from the culture wars in this regard, also see how he stood aside from the potty wars;
2) Superb attack on Hillary's treasonous corruption-- great specificity for once!
3) Superb planting of seed of doubt concerning her blackmailability if enemies have her 30,000 deleted emails, or her 20,000 undeleted emails.
4) Superb moment with "Hillary's slogan is 'I'm with Hillary, but I am with America/you" 
5) Great opening pitch to the Sandernistas-- we agree, the system is rigged, the EDC is the insider, I am the outsider WE (Sandernistas and Trump) can stand TOGETHER.

Very promising developments!!!
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« Reply #1168 on: June 23, 2016, 06:45:33 AM »

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/06/22/finally_a_republican_other_than_me_tells_the_truth_about_hillary_clinton

I have idea.  His next hit job should be on Nancy Pelosi.  The totally corrupt dishonest minority, ex majority leader.  Time to lay out her and her families corrupt history of sweetheart government deals.
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« Reply #1169 on: June 23, 2016, 09:46:49 AM »

A most worthy target!-- but a tangent for Trump in this moment (and would play into anti-woman irrelevancies)  Let him stay focused (always a challenge for him  rolleyes ) on the EDC now. 
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« Reply #1170 on: June 23, 2016, 02:07:06 PM »

" Let him stay focused (always a challenge for him  rolleyes ) on the EDC now. "

Good point.  Maybe this guy could write another book to get the ball rolling (over the Pelosi mafia):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Cash
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« Reply #1171 on: June 24, 2016, 05:53:54 PM »


http://theblacksphere.net/2016/06/lgbt-voters-seriously-considering-trump/
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« Reply #1172 on: June 25, 2016, 01:51:31 PM »

I posted this in the Politics thread too, but post it here to underline that Trump's appeal to the black vote on the basis of eliminating competition and downward wage pressure from illegal aliens.

https://www.facebook.com/ObamaTheWorstPresident/videos/1101438939899206/?pnref=story

Prediction:  Trump will surprise with how well he does with the Black vote.

https://www.facebook.com/ObamaTheWorstPresident/videos/1101438939899206/?pnref=story
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« Reply #1173 on: June 25, 2016, 03:19:48 PM »

The Left is having a party over this:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/25/politics/george-will-donald-trump-leaving-republican-party-election/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Top+Stories%29

I have felt that way about the GOP for 10 years if not longer.
Problem is we don't have 4 to 8 years to "grit our teeth" and wait for 2020 or 2024 as he reasons.

By the, there will be another 25 million voters for the Democrat party in our country (legal and illegal with amnesty) and 2 more liberal Supreme Court Justices. 
It is almost too late now.   It is unbelievable that bamster is now waving the requirement for people who are trying to become citizens to pledge allegiance to the flag.

THIS GUY IS OUR PRESIDENT?  He is doing everything he can to destroy the United States as a sovereign nation.
Obviously the Left agrees with him.  Not a peep out of them.  Their obvious disgust with the Brexit vote feels like having someone spit in our faces.
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« Reply #1174 on: June 27, 2016, 11:33:43 AM »

My prediction, John Kasich, is failing because he still hates Trump and because his own star really fizzled after his only win in Ohio.  He really won Ohio as the anti-Trump, not a pitch he can use as VP pick.

This story goes over the names:
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/who-will-donald-trump-pick-his-vp-n598736

The only name they add of note to what has already been dissected is Mike Pence who I like.  Maybe he can help Trump carry Indiana and not lose in 50 states.

Friends of mine, mostly sane, say they will vote Hillary to stop Trump.  Friends of mine on the left are receiving cell calls by the hour from Hillary and Hillary,PAC and GOTV groups while Trump is floundering.  Washington Post has him down now by double digits.  Brexit vote should have helped him immensely.  Orlando shooting should have sealed the deal.  He was vacationing when he should have been pouncing.  Master of the media message??  Where are you?

Lesson to my side who already lost, you can't wait for every four years to put out a message, then fall off-message and hope to win.  Do Olympic champions take the four years off before the main event?
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« Reply #1175 on: June 27, 2016, 11:38:03 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6Ap-fdgPuw
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« Reply #1176 on: June 27, 2016, 12:09:08 PM »

The Left is having a party over this:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/25/politics/george-will-donald-trump-leaving-republican-party-election/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Top+Stories%29

I have felt that way about the GOP for 10 years if not longer.
Problem is we don't have 4 to 8 years to "grit our teeth" and wait for 2020 or 2024 as he reasons.
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Strangely, on the issues where I disagree with George Will, he tends to agree more with Trump.

We've been in general election mode for nearly two months.  What kind of conservative party nominee, campaign or election does Trump hope to win that doesn't include having George Will at least lukewarm on your side?  Good grief.

The idea that Sanders supporters are going Trump or Republican in large numbers to cover for conservative votes lost is a joke. 

The question is presented for conservatives, are you better off seeing your country get 65% more screwed up by a Republican (in name only) or 80% more screwed up by a Democrat?

A Trump failure as President, especially if he consolidates Republican support to win which he must, will not be followed by a political correction to the right.  A Trump failure as a candidate only leaves his supporters even more bitter toward conservatives who didn't back him, never to join them again.  A Hillary victory and failure will not leave us time to fix the country in our lifetimes no matter what follows.

Screwed and screwed are our two choices.  Choose wisely (gallows sarcasm).
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« Reply #1177 on: June 27, 2016, 01:34:15 PM »

https://patriotpost.us/opinion/43431
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« Reply #1178 on: June 27, 2016, 10:11:02 PM »


"if Trump wants to be compared to Reagan he should act more like him."

Good to see Peggy Noonan on Patriot Post.
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« Reply #1179 on: Today at 11:15:43 AM »

Yes!
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