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ccp
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« Reply #200 on: October 11, 2017, 03:00:54 PM »

Doug
all good questions about the WSJ and about immigration splitting Republicans.

"Why are they using  a failed measure of the left, jobless rate 4.2%, when 100 million adults don't work?  "

This is a perfect example of why I don't bother with the WSJ anymore.  They don't care about average Americans .  They only care about Wall Street.  True to their name.
They sound like the globalists and the Facebook and Google CEOs who are looking out for the business interests.   
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But I don't understand what you mean here:

"And why is the Trump side opposed to bring the best and the brightest in, especially when they hold the screening controls?"

Are you saying Trump is restricting the best and brightest?  I don't see that. Look at our academic institutions.  They are *loaded* with foreign born.   And now the children of foreign born.

Did you see the Asian American lawsuit against Harvard?  They are claiming they are being discriminated against because they are Asian .  If true half the staff of Harvard should be Chinese.    So Trump may not be the ones restricting them. 

What great scientist can you name that has not been able to work in the US?   
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« Reply #201 on: October 11, 2017, 03:16:01 PM »

Actually my wife has known more than a few Chinese students who got their undergrad/post grad degrees (STEM) here and wanted to stay, but left when their student visa expired and couldn't get work/resident visas.
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« Reply #202 on: October 11, 2017, 04:07:01 PM »

"Actually my wife has known more than a few Chinese students who got their undergrad/post grad degrees (STEM) here and wanted to stay, but left when their student visa expired and couldn't get work/resident visas."

Interesting. 

Should they all be allowed to stay?  i am NOt making a statement or taking a position one way or the other just posing the question.

If someone comes here to get a undergrad degree should they then be allowed to stay with path to citizenship automatically?

Or a graduate degree?

Thus graduating  to a US college would in effect also be getting green card etc.

 undecided
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« Reply #203 on: October 11, 2017, 04:22:15 PM »

"Actually my wife has known more than a few Chinese students who got their undergrad/post grad degrees (STEM) here and wanted to stay, but left when their student visa expired and couldn't get work/resident visas."

Interesting. 

Should they all be allowed to stay?  i am NOt making a statement or taking a position one way or the other just posing the question.

If someone comes here to get a undergrad degree should they then be allowed to stay with path to citizenship automatically?

Or a graduate degree?

Thus graduating  to a US college would in effect also be getting green card etc.

 undecided

Automatic? No. But, when it comes to immigrants, who do you want coming here? People who will actually contribute or masses who often are illiterate in their native languages?

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« Reply #204 on: October 11, 2017, 04:57:12 PM »

"Automatic? No. But, when it comes to immigrants, who do you want coming here? People who will actually contribute or masses who often are illiterate in their native languages?"

Well I don't know what the proportions are now or exactly who is staying and who is not.

Either way I want them to be  legal and we need 'some' limits for all of them.

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« Reply #205 on: October 17, 2017, 08:01:42 AM »

ROGER L. SIMON
Four GOP Senators Standing in the Way of Progress
 BY ROGER L SIMON OCTOBER 16, 2017 CHAT 57 COMMENTS

While the media fixates on the circus surrounding Mitch McConnell v. Steve Bannon with Donald Trump as ringmaster and the Democrats in the role of the increasingly disloyal -- now Harvey-besmirched -- opposition, the real story involves none of these people directly.

Four Republican senators hold and have held our country in their hands for most of this year by themselves. They obstruct progress by wielding far too much power than their positions and number merit.

They are Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska,  Rand Paul of Kentucky, and John McCain of Arizona.

These four prevented healthcare reform and they now stand in the way of tax reform.

Of them, only Paul has something of an excuse.  A libertarian, his positions at least make sense ideologically.  The other three act out of a kind of morally narcissistic pique, an almost pathological need to be at the center of every controversial issue, to make the world hang on their decisions and then sigh in disappointment as they ultimately vote "nyet."  (Or, in the case of Democrats, applaud them as great  "patriots" above party politics.)


In McCain's case, this narcissistic craving for attention is exacerbated by a heavy dollop of Trump hatred.  John can't stand Donald and is unlikely to support any legislation that would bring credit to the president, regardless of its value.  McCain undoubtedly considers this a justifiable response to Trump's besmirching of the Arizonan's war hero reputation early in the campaign, but the job of a senator is to serve the people of his state (and the country) and not his own necessity for vengeance.

The conventional explanation for the four senators' resistance -- considerably more effective, so far, than the more trumpeted "Resistance" of the left -- is that they are representing the needs of their states.  That might have had some minute superficial truth, temporary as it was, in the realm of healthcare, but regarding tax reform it is complete nonsense.

The most important reform, one that affects all fifty states,  is lowering the corporate tax rate from the absurd 35%, which puts our companies at such a disadvantage and incentivizes them to leave billions in foreign accounts, to something close to 20%.  Even lower would be great.  (By comparison, the corporate rate of our leading economic competitor, China, is 25%, with certain privileged businesses -- aka "qualified enterprises"-- reduced to 15%. Ireland is at 12.5% and possibly dropping to 8%.)
 
A Congress that was even remotely doing its job would have changed ours years ago. But it doesn't seem to be able to act even on something this obvious.  People like the above mentioned four are at the root of this stasis, putting their own parochial interests over those of the American people.

When Steve Bannon speaks of "primarying" politicians like this, he isn't really being a bully or an extremist, as the media likes to paint him.  He is actually making quite a bit of sense.  Trump appears to know this and, from the look on his face at Monday's joint press conference, McConnell does too.

Whether Mitch himself is to blame for the legislative failures of the last eight or so months or whether Collins, Murkowski, Paul and McCain are just too intransigent is difficult to say.  As Trump made clear Monday, we shall soon find out.
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« Reply #206 on: October 31, 2017, 10:38:33 AM »

More from the loser.  The fact that he is gloriously quoted by  *Salon* alone speaks volumes about  what a fool he is:

https://www.salon.com/2017/10/30/john-boehner-blames-sean-hannity-rush-limbaugh-for-gop-going-off-the-rails/

looking out for Americans first is no longer "conservative" - it is "populism" according to the swamp monsters.

Got to play by *their* rules not by those who elect you or you are a 'destroyer'.




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« Reply #207 on: October 31, 2017, 11:06:46 AM »

It's not surprising that he has has a bone to pick.  I don't know why it has to be so painful to switch leaders.  We don't have to hate Boehner or McConnell in order to think someone else could lead us better now under new circumstances.  Same for the dinosaurs in Dem leadership.  They all think it is an appointment for life.  Like a Packer quarterback, it's a job you get and keep while you are performing and winning, until you can't win or take a big hit and can't get back up.  Then the game goes on with a new quarterback.

There are business books about building organizations that live and prosper past the original thinkers who built them.  Republicans and Trumpists could all learn something.
https://www.amazon.com/Built-Last-Successful-Visionary-Essentials/dp/0060516402
It is a rare case when the founder or visionary of successful company dies or retires and the organization continues to achieve greatness.  The R party should be advancing principles, not people.
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« Reply #208 on: November 13, 2017, 01:13:53 PM »

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/372491.php

November 13, 2017
Mitch McConnell is an Asshole.
Witness a spiteful asshole being a spiteful asshole.

I am just stunned at the turn of events in this country.

Not that our "betters" are idiots and completely focused on their own neo-aristocratic position in society.

No, my astonishment is just how the Establishment right, ostensibly in power, has joined the bile-spitting left in hurling their masks of respectability and fealty to the principles of their constituents into the gutters with abandon.

Here we now live under the most precarious of times, where sitting Senators of the President's own party plot not only for the removal of the President, but also the spiteful removal of candidate in another state who have been convicted of nothing, and who will never be convicted of the 38 year old he-said/she-said charges that just happened to float up from the sewer-mouth that is the MSM at the most damaging point in an election.

Dear RNC:

You want my money? Promise me you will support insurgent campaigns against sitting dinosaurs like McConnell.
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