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« Reply #400 on: July 22, 2014, 08:45:36 PM »

http://www.kcci.com/news/officer-points-gun-at-boy-scout-at-canadian-border/27078396#!bj84sS
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« Reply #401 on: August 08, 2014, 03:22:32 PM »

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/city-decide-fate-police-chief-pointed-gun-council-member/
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« Reply #402 on: August 09, 2014, 08:29:11 AM »


Not much of an article.
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« Reply #403 on: August 09, 2014, 10:57:04 AM »

Not much of a police chief either it would appear , , ,
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« Reply #404 on: August 10, 2014, 07:48:51 AM »

Not much of a police chief either it would appear , , ,

Hard to say, given the utter lack of any sort of detail.
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« Reply #405 on: August 10, 2014, 02:23:51 PM »

As a general rule pointing guns at people, especially police chiefs at their employers, tends to be a bad idea.  Yes?
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« Reply #406 on: August 10, 2014, 03:19:12 PM »

As a general rule pointing guns at people, especially police chiefs at their employers, tends to be a bad idea.  Yes?


There are training classes where you'd perform drills with a weapon that has been confirmed to be unloaded by multiple parties.

What the scenario was is impossible to determine from the article.
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« Reply #407 on: August 10, 2014, 04:52:39 PM »

The quick little clip I saw sure did not appear to be that.
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« Reply #408 on: August 10, 2014, 10:03:36 PM »

What details did the video add? I couldn't view it.
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« Reply #409 on: August 11, 2014, 12:31:02 AM »

Looked like they were standing in an office and for no reason I could visually discern he drew his gun and momentarily pointed at one of the civilians.
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« Reply #410 on: August 11, 2014, 03:06:35 AM »

Looked like they were standing in an office and for no reason I could visually discern he drew his gun and momentarily pointed at one of the civilians.


Strange. Well, that is a relevant detail not in the article.
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« Reply #411 on: August 14, 2014, 07:49:14 PM »

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-michael-brown-was-a-local-gangster-seen-flashing-gang-signs/
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« Reply #412 on: August 16, 2014, 07:16:24 AM »

Please also post that on the R汗thレアdオンSCH
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« Reply #413 on: August 16, 2014, 08:43:56 AM »

Please also post that on the R汗thレアdオンSCH

Sorry,my Japanese is a bit rusty...
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« Reply #414 on: August 16, 2014, 09:15:54 AM »

http://twitchy.com/2014/08/16/ferguson-police-stand-down-looters-run-wild-again-local-store-owners-plead-for-help-where-the-cops-at/
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« Reply #415 on: August 20, 2014, 07:13:24 AM »

http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2014/08/the-good-ol-days.html
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« Reply #416 on: August 20, 2014, 09:12:22 PM »


What happens when there ARE "militarized" police around (hint: it still involves widespread looting):

http://toprightnews.com/?p=5136
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« Reply #417 on: August 21, 2014, 12:06:08 AM »


Sure, under orders from their chain of command, and a desire to avoid being the next target of the department of injustice and Gov. Nixon.
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« Reply #418 on: August 21, 2014, 06:10:49 AM »


Sure, under orders from their chain of command, and a desire to avoid being the next target of the department of injustice and Gov. Nixon.

Cute, pithy response, as usual. But you didn't look at the date. This was, if I recall correctly, the third or fourth night of protest, before the Missouri Highway Patrol was brought in. This was the "good old days" when it just the Ferguson and surrounding area agencies responding.
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« Reply #419 on: August 21, 2014, 03:56:38 PM »

You think that cops aren't aware of the political climate?
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« Reply #420 on: August 21, 2014, 04:49:14 PM »

http://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2014/08/20/radical-doj-unit-ferguson/

Don't think this can't happen to you, BD. If you were to defend yourself and/or your family on a trip to one of Your states urban areas. You'd get the full Zimmerman treatment.
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« Reply #421 on: August 21, 2014, 06:25:25 PM »

Please post in Rule of Law as well.
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« Reply #422 on: August 21, 2014, 09:02:12 PM »



http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/08/19/3473247/police-officers-involved-in-fatal-st-louis-shooting/ 
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« Reply #423 on: August 23, 2014, 09:03:10 AM »



http://live.wsj.com/video/video-shows-police-kill-kajieme-powell-in-st-louis/1700030D-18B3-4476-A476-D64E250A75FE.html?mod=trending_now_video_4#!1700030D-18B3-4476-A476-D64E250A75FE
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« Reply #424 on: August 23, 2014, 09:09:16 AM »


Looks like a clean shoot to me.
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« Reply #425 on: August 23, 2014, 09:19:50 AM »

http://bearingarms.com/tueller-drill-moving-target/
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« Reply #426 on: August 26, 2014, 03:49:08 PM »

"Some people just want to watch the world burn." Nothing is fairer than chaos and nature. I believe in being fair. It's the just thing to do.
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« Reply #427 on: August 26, 2014, 07:34:44 PM »

http://m.wistv.com/wistv/pm_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=od:QCIeDedt
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« Reply #428 on: August 31, 2014, 07:50:51 PM »

http://www.local12.com/news/features/around-the-web/stories/texas-officers-buy-groceries-for-needy-family-wkrc.shtml#.VAPCiIUZ_P8
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« Reply #429 on: September 05, 2014, 09:18:58 AM »



http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/09/04/cops-knock-on-mans-door-ask-to-see-id-and-to-check-his-house-the-way-he-handles-it-has-some-cheering-others-calling-him-out/
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« Reply #430 on: September 07, 2014, 03:32:09 PM »

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/SWAT-Rescues-Kids-During-Manhunt-273868641.html?device=tablet

Radley Balko unavaiable for comment.
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« Reply #431 on: September 14, 2014, 08:55:02 AM »

http://pjmedia.com/blog/oakland-firefighter-plays-victim-card-until-police-release-video/?singlepage=true

Truth.
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« Reply #432 on: September 17, 2014, 08:20:17 AM »

http://patterico.com/2014/09/16/cop-to-daniele-watts-im-mildly-interested-that-you-have-a-publicist-but-im-going-to-get-your-id/
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« Reply #433 on: September 23, 2014, 05:40:02 AM »

http://pjmedia.com/blog/daniele-watts-and-the-allure-of-racial-victimhood/?singlepage=true
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« Reply #434 on: October 22, 2014, 07:25:29 PM »

Not necessarily a reliable site, but they seem to have it right:

http://www.tpnn.com/2014/10/22/breaking-michael-brown-official-autopsy-results-are-in-will-this-finally-stop-the-protests/ 
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« Reply #435 on: November 18, 2014, 02:07:44 PM »

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/ferguson-protest-leader-has-car-stolen-during-the-fck-the-police-rally/
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« Reply #436 on: November 19, 2014, 12:34:18 PM »

God retains his sense of humor it would seem  cheesy cheesy
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« Reply #437 on: December 09, 2014, 07:02:43 PM »



https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152332335836104&set=vb.207242941103&type=2&theater
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« Reply #438 on: December 13, 2014, 12:25:22 PM »

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_v._Connor
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« Reply #439 on: December 13, 2014, 07:46:29 PM »

It is not the role of the public or the press to determine whether an officer involved shooting was justified. That investigation is done by the State's/ District Attorney/ or Grand Jury in some states.. Also, "an officer's evil intentions will not make a Fourth Amendment violation out of an objectively reasonable use of force; nor will an officer's good intentions make an objectively unreasonable use of force constitutional." (Graham v. Connor, 490 U.S. 396, 397 (1989)). That means that the purpose of the original stop, the circumstances of the encounter, and the intentions of the officer are irrelevant as to whether a shooting is justified or not. The only relevant factors are related to whether the officer on the scene believed that his life, or the life of another was in danger. For example, did the suspect attempt to grab the officers gun, or did he attack the officer? You are considered armed if you are attempting to grab an officer's gun. Once these factors are examined through a proper investigation, then the public and the press will know that information. Also, if it is determined that a shooting is justified, that does not prohibit legal action for claims of civil rights violations, or other civil legal action against the officer.

Here is the Constitutional standard for use of deadly force by the police:

“[T]he reasonableness of a particular use of force must be viewed from the perspective of a reasonable officer at the scene, rather than with 20/20 vision of hindsight….”

Moreover, “allowance must be made for the fact that officers are often forced to make split-second judgments in circumstances that are tense, uncertain, and rapidly evolving about the amount of force that is necessary in a particular situation.”

The question is whether the officers' actions are “objectively reasonable” in light of the facts and circumstances confronting them “(Graham v. Connor, 490 U.S. 396, 397 (1989)).



The cop mind is formed by unique circumstances

By DAVID BROOKS, Associated Press | Posted 2 days ago

Like a lot of people in journalism, I began my career, briefly, as a police reporter. As the Michael Brown and Eric Garner cases have unfolded, I've found myself thinking back to those days. Nothing excuses specific acts of police brutality, especially in the Garner case, but not enough attention is being paid to the emotional and psychological challenges of being a cop. Early on, I learned there is an amazing variety of police officers, even compared to other professions. Most cops are conscientious, and some, especially among detectives, are brilliant.

They spend much of their time in the chaotic and depressing nether-reaches of society: busting up domestic violence disputes, dealing with drunks and drug addicts, coming upon fatal car crashes, managing conflicts large and small.

They ride an emotional and biochemical roller coaster. They experience moments of intense action and alertness, followed by emotional crashes marked by exhaustion and isolation. They become hypervigilant. Surrounded by crime all day, some come to perceive that society is more threatening than it really is.

To cope, they emotionally armor up. Many of the cops I was around developed a cynical, dehumanizing and hard-edge sense of humor that was an attempt to insulate themselves from the pain of seeing a dead child or the extinguished life of a young girl they arrived too late to save.

Many of us see cops as relatively invulnerable as they patrol the streets. The cops themselves do not perceive their situation that way. As criminologist George Kelling wrote in City Journal in 1993, "It is a common myth that police officers approach conflicts with a feeling of power — after all, they are armed, they represent the state, they are specially trained and backed by an 'army.' In reality, an officer's gun is almost always a liability ... because a suspect may grab it in a scuffle. Officers are usually at a disadvantage because they have to intervene in unfamiliar terrain, on someone else's territory. They worry that bystanders might become involved, either by helping somebody the officer has to confront or, after the fact, by second-guessing an officer's conduct."

Even though most situations are not dangerous, danger is always an out-of-the-blue possibility, often in the back of the mind.

In many places, a self-supporting and insular police culture develops: In this culture no one understands police work except fellow officers; the training in the academy is useless; to do the job you've got to bend the rules and understand the law of the jungle; the world is divided into two sorts of people — cops and a—holes.

This is a life of both boredom and stress. Life expectancy for cops is lower than for the general population. Cops suffer disproportionately from peptic ulcers, back disorders and heart disease. In one study, suicide rates were three times higher among cops than among other municipal workers. Other studies have found that somewhere between 7 percent and 19 percent of cops suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder. The effect is especially harsh on those who have been involved in shootings. Two-thirds of the officers who have been involved in shootings suffer moderate or severe emotional problems. Seventy percent leave the police force within seven years of the incident.

Most cops know they walk a dangerous line, between necessary and excessive force. According to a 2000 National Institute of Justice study, more than 90 percent of the police officers surveyed said that it is wrong to respond to verbal abuse with force. Nonetheless, 15 percent of the cops surveyed were aware that officers in their own department sometimes or often did so.

And through the years, departments have worked to humanize the profession. Overall, police use of force is on the decline, along with the crime rate generally. According to the Department of Justice, the number of incidents in which force was used or threatened declined from 664,000 in 2002 to 574,000 in 2008. Community policing has helped bind police forces closer to the citizenry.

A blind spot is race. Only 1 in 20 white officers believe blacks and other minorities receive unequal treatment from the police. But 57 percent of black officers are convinced the treatment of minorities is unfair.

But at the core of the profession lies the central problem of political philosophy. How does the state preserve order through coercion? When should you use overwhelming force to master lawbreaking? When is it wiser to step back and use patience and understanding to defuse a situation? How do you make this decision instantaneously, when testosterone is flowing, when fear is in the air, when someone is disrespecting you and you feel indignation rising in the gut?

Racist police brutality has to be punished. But respect has to be paid. Police serve by walking that hazardous line where civilization meets disorder.
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