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« on: December 16, 2007, 01:24:00 AM »

Has anyone seen this stuff? Looks pretty cool but looks alot like Silat in some moves. Anyone know anything about it in the US? I thought I read there are no teachers out here.
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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2007, 03:25:51 AM »

I saw some videos on youtube and thought the same thing - repackaged silat/kali, some of the moves were maybe a little too Hollywood, but it gave me an idea or two.  The founders are calling it their "interpretation of JKD."  From what little I saw and read, I think Bruce would be happy with their effort.

The commentary on the HD DVD "Batman Begins" mentions KFM.
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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2007, 11:29:21 AM »

When I saw Batman begins, I thought it was Silat/ Kali stuff with just raw Batman street fighting but then I went to the opening of I am legend and they played the 6 min trailer for the new Dark Knight movie and he is beating some serious ass. I wanted to know what kinda Silat they used and not to mention Tom Crusie used the same stuff (what I thought was Silat) in Mission impossible 3. Anyways...So I dug and found out it was called "Keysi" more or less I thought it was BS and they just renamed Silat.
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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2007, 11:42:30 AM »

Any URLs?
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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2007, 02:52:08 PM »

http://www.keysikfm.com/

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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2007, 02:55:13 PM »

Here's the first one I came across:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvi54YLYIC0&feature=related
Nothing wrong with it, though nothing particularly innovative. I guess the tiresomely predictable sound track and an endorsement from "Batman" kinda negated any positive feelings I had about their actual training ideas ..... OK, I liked the focus mitt stuff.
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2007, 11:54:54 PM »

Where did the system come from?
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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2007, 01:28:09 AM »

It comes from a  English Guy and a Guy from Spain. But it is Silat/Kali plain as day except they totally throw their elbows out way to far for my taste and Roll a punch off the elbow instead of going for the destruction.
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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2007, 01:48:47 AM »

The Wikipedia article on Keysi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keysi_Fighting_Method) states that the two guys who are developing Keysi (Justo Diéguez and Andy Norman) claim JKD through Inosanto.  I can't find any reference to them on Inosanto's site and I can't find any reference to Inosanto or JKD on the Keysi site.

Although it gives me headache to read their zenned-up BS about Keysi being an "amazing multi-dimensional journey into the world of self-discovery," repackaging/reinventing/rediscovering isn't a bad thing.  They're trying, I wish them luck.
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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2007, 05:05:35 AM »

The school I teach in on a Wednesday night is the KFM school in Glasgow

I've watched a couple of Classes while waiting to get on the mat, and also met one of the founders (Andy Norman) back when I was training with the UFA group in england. I won't pretend to know much about the system but it does seem to be a mainly a modified version of empty hand Kali/Silat. I've seen some ideas I like and some I dislike.

I'm not sure how close any link may be or to what degree the founders are authorised by him, but it's my understanding that there is also a link to Guro inosanto.

It's seems to be growing in the UK and in a lot of the MA press, but with the the batman angle you can see why. 
 
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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2007, 01:46:27 PM »

Andy and a couple of his English buddies while they were in town to train at the Inosanto Academy fought with Top Dog and me in the early 90s.  IIRC it was Andy (or Phil?) who became the UK champion in the TV show "The Gladiators" or something like that , , ,
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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2007, 02:06:12 PM »

That would be Phil
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« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2007, 11:30:24 AM »

Hi everybody
A couple of years ago I red an interview of Justo Dieguez (the founder) who talked about Inosanto in occasion of a seminar in Spain.
I remember both Dieguez and Norman are Guro Inosanto's students.
I like the approach, even sometimes elbows are too high.
I assume, and even from the movements, Keysi should come from a mix of Jkd, Kali and Silat.
Hard to get from what style of Silat they pick up stuff... something low from Harimau... but for what concerns the standing work.. I didn't recognize any Langka.
I wonder why they don't mention any of these arts in the KFM site, and also don't mention Guro Inosanto or the founder's curricula.

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« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2007, 12:30:08 PM »

That the one thing that bothers me about this. They dont seem to have one credit section about where they picked this stuff up from. Ah well.
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« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2007, 05:20:06 PM »

When I saw Batman begins, I thought it was Silat/ Kali stuff with just raw Batman street fighting but then I went to the opening of I am legend and they played the 6 min trailer for the new Dark Knight movie and he is beating some serious ass. I wanted to know what kinda Silat they used and not to mention Tom Crusie used the same stuff (what I thought was Silat) in Mission impossible 3. Anyways...So I dug and found out it was called "Keysi" more or less I thought it was BS and they just renamed Silat.

The fight coordinator for the DARK KNIGHT, the next Batman film is Richard Ryan who did the fights in TROY. He is JKD, Wing Chun with some FMA thrown in here and there (possibly from Manong Inosanto). I do not know if he is associated with the Keysi guys who did BATMAN BEGINS.


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« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2007, 12:49:32 AM »

Maxx observed that
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They don’t seem to have one credit section about where they picked this stuff up from

On the Keysi site, I found his answer,
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KFM was born on the streets of Spanish gypsy origin [not born or reinvented in the "dojo"]

It is a completely original art with no linage (so they can hit people in ways no one has ever thought of)!!!
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« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2007, 07:53:07 PM »

I found a longer promo video for Keysi.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1958414742547661012&q=keysi&total=48&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=9

Their hype makes me crazy but it does have some fun looking ideas and, like maija said earlier, interesting mitt drills.
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« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2007, 09:12:54 PM »

Someone on another forum said it best..Its fluff..A good Straight blast  would mess with the system.
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« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2007, 12:02:38 AM »

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Its fluff .. A good Straight blast would mess with the system.

That is an interesting point.  Systems can get blind spots because the practitioners spend their time fighting each other.  The Keysi promos are coordinated and it looks good fighting itself (of course, we’re all brilliant when we get to ask and answer the questions).  "Fluffy"?  The videos are unforgivably Hollywood, but I wouldn't call it fluffy.

A Straight Blast?  From the video, Keysi fighters ... chew.  They paddle their way up the stream of strikes (I really like this).  A direct attack may feed their aggressive counter-attack rather than over-power it.  On the other hand, would they be overly vulnerable to an attack-by-draw?  Trigger their counter-attack frenzy, stay outside (but close), let them run out their cycle, and then Straight Blast (or whatever) when they are winding down rather than winding up.
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« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2008, 11:13:40 AM »

When I was at a Guro Dan seminar in the UK in 1998 Justo Diéguez received his apprentice instructorship from Guro Dan on the recommendation of Bob Breen.

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