DB Gathering of the Pack August 10th, 2008

[Crafty_Dog]

Woof All:

For reasons I will explain more fully shortly, the next Dog Brothers Gathering of the Pack will be held on August 10, 2008 at a location yet to be determined.

The Adventure continues!
Crafty Dog
Guiding Force

[Sheep Dog]

When I can sign up!?

[Crafty_Dog]

We hope to have our webmaster take care of it this week.

[rio]

only the one Gathering this year?. . .  should draw quite the crowd and only the finest warriors from all corners of the wind

[Maxx]

Random question here..I notice that all of the dog brother fights are with a weapon..What about just going at it weaponless against each other and rolling empty hand? Have you guys done this before?

[Kaju Dog]

Random question here..I notice that all of the dog brother fights are with a weapon..What about just going at it weaponless against each other and rolling empty hand? Have you guys done this before?

Im game!  I do that with my guys and love to toss a knife or stick into mix at random (imagine a knife falling out of your opponents pocket in the middle of a fight).  Also, if the fight goes to the ground for more than 60 sec's (unless we are training that area) I send in another person.  Think of comming out of the bathroom at a bar and seeing your buddy struggling on the ground, time to jump in. 

We can stick to the Roots of DB's and still have this element (IMHO). 

Keeping it progressive always. 

 

[Maxx]

Cause I know most of the fights I have been in there has never been a stick or a knife..Just two guys making each other have a puffy face...

[sting]

Random question here..I notice that all of the dog brother fights are with a weapon..What about just going at it weaponless against each other and rolling empty hand? Have you guys done this before?

And this happens in the Gathering fights,often after the first few seconds.  The issue is that there are tons of venues for weaponless fighting, so why drag down the premier weapons fighting event ?

[Kaju Dog]

Random question here..I notice that all of the dog brother fights are with a weapon..What about just going at it weaponless against each other and rolling empty hand? Have you guys done this before?

And this happens in the Gathering fights,often after the first few seconds.  The issue is that there are tons of venues for weaponless fighting, so why drag down the premier weapons fighting event ?

Well put Brother...  This is the Premier Weapons Fighting Event! 

[peregrine]

So am i missing something here?
Is november CANCELLED?

[Maxx]

Random question here..I notice that all of the dog brother fights are with a weapon..What about just going at it weaponless against each other and rolling empty hand? Have you guys done this before?

And this happens in the Gathering fights,often after the first few seconds.  The issue is that there are tons of venues for weaponless fighting, so why drag down the premier weapons fighting event ?

Fine....It's a weapons event..I'm bringing a 40 mm Mark 19 Mod 3 Grenade MG   

[Crafty_Dog]

Nah, you must be thinking of the ballistic weapons event that is being held in Diyala, Iraq.

[Howling Dog]

Maxx, My suggestion to you is to come to a Gathering, experience its magic, watch the fighters/fights ( IMHO some of the best martial artists the world has to offer) as far as fighters that is.

Even then I'am doubtful you can truley understand, what this means to the guys and gals that fight at the gathering and the Brotherhood that is dog Brothers.
Bear in mind guys come from all over the world at their own expense not to win awards, trophys, or money, but to test themselves in a place like no other.
The prize is knowing that you can stand in the fire and come out on the other side.  There's nothing like it. (my definition of warrior)

Not onley that but the tribe is truley a tribe, its not us against them but brother pushing brother to the ragged edges.
Dangerous, brutal yes....but its also a very spiritualy, beautiful thing......I could sit here and try to type it into words, but words would fall way short.
To fully understand it has to be experienced.
It is my priviledge to be a tribe member and to gather with the pack.
                                                                                Dog TG

[Guide Dog]

Dog Tom,

What a great post! All I have to add is that the post-Gathering state of being is one of the most amazing experiences I have ever had.  Aside from a great shot on the elbow from Poi Dog and a good knee to the ribs from Pappy, most of the injuries I have sustained at the Gatherings have gone unnoticed until I arrived home and fired up that post-Gathering shower.  This is not to say that I have not been hit hard by many of the other amazing warriors that I have fought with but the high that I experience every time I fight in a Gathering makes it all seem not so bad and VERY, VERY worth it. There's NOTHING like it. 

If you are even thinking of fighting, you should do it.  Take a knife fight to warm-up and then take a stick fight and see what happens. The Gathering is a lab space, not the Olympics. I have "been killed", "killed", looked really bad and gotten beat up, and also managed to pull a few cool things off. I'm willing to "die", tap, "kill", get hit, or hit you as many times as I need to in order to facilitate my growth and to see the tribe grow as a whole. I've written this before: Let's step out there and  hurt each other a little bit.

[strawdog]

See you there! 

[Crafty_Dog]

This weekend is something rather big; we will be turning our attention to this in the next few weeks. 

[Crafty_Dog]

Woof All:

I need to confirm with Linda "Bitch" Matsumi, but my understanding is that she is available for fighting with Ashley _____ of Manassas VA.  Ashley is an excellent athlete and I look forward to some outstanding fights between the two of them. 

I post here so that other women know that there are fights for them to be had at this Gathering.

The Adventure continues,
Crafty Dog
GF

[rio]

add one more to the women's list. Gina's game . . .

[Dog Pound]

Woof Crafty

I liked the small format change in the last November's Gathering, where Linda could knife fight throughout the day.

[Kaju Dog]

I would like to request a 2 on 2 or even 2 on 3 fight.  No preset weapons...  OTF (on the fly) 

I really enjoyed the spontinuity of the Secret Gathering Weapons of Opportunity employment.

Any takers?
 

[Growling Dog]

can anyone sudgest any places in the area  where i can crash, hotels ect?

[Guide Dog]

I will be there, hopefully with two folks who have been participating in my training group.  I am looking forward to seeing everyone!

herrero, once the location is named, we'll get some suggestions out there for you on where to stay!

[Howling Dog]

Woof, Booked my flight today. Brining in two first time fighters and a couple of fans .

Hope the gathering will be some place close to Hermosa beach.
Ive grown quite fond of the place.......

Look forward to seeing all of you that I know already, and all who I will meet for the first time.......
How about sounding off if you plan to be there....
                                                Dog SB

[Dog Pound]

Dog Dean

I would like to request a 2 on 2 or even 2 on 3 fight.

Jumping right into the deep end on that one.  How about 2 on 3 double stick?

[C-Kumu Dog]

Sorry if this is a dumb question but would the area be big enough for 5 people to be swinging doublestick without clocking your "partner?"

[Growling Dog]

thanks guide dog

[Kaju Dog]

Dog Dean

I would like to request a 2 on 2 or even 2 on 3 fight.

Jumping right into the deep end on that one.  How about 2 on 3 double stick?

Sure but I would like more of a brawl with mixed weapons.  All those double sticks just doesnt leave much variety...  but Im game.

HMmm, try this image;  2 on 3...  double stick/single stick and shock knife   ///   staff/double stick/shock knife

Now that would be fun.... 

Im in for any of the above...  driving the truck up this time...   and this is after our Kaju gathering so nothing lined up after this event = time to lick my wounds and reflect.

"Shadows and Dust"   

[Crafty_Dog]

In multiple player knife fights attacks from behind are a staple.

How do you think to handle this with sticks or other weapons?

[Kaju Dog]

In multiple player knife fights attacks from behind are a staple.

How do you think to handle this with sticks or other weapons?

Good question Sir 

One thats answer is easier imagined than accomplished 

A simple idea is to work more of a zone defense.  As my teacher loves to say, "Be like the spider to the fly".

My objective/goal (other than survival) is to feel the two packs (teams, back buddies, etc.) work together in order to survive.  I would like to hear communication and see stratagies at play with changing variables throughout the encounter.

Trust in your fellow DB to have your back and trust in his heart/will to win.

*I would like to call on Junk Yard Dog (aka Greg) to have my back...  He is courageous and full of heart (IMHO). 

If not him, then anyone of the other Warriors from the 20th Gathering. 

Woof

We will battle with the Brother at your side, at any given moment.  We dont always have the luxury of choosing who we have next to us when the crap hits the fan. 

I hope to battle side by side with all of the Pack at some time or another.  It is my honor to do so.

[Howling Dog]

A two on two or three double stick fight sounds to me like a WHOLE LOT of pain.
As for the attacks from behind goes.........Guro Crafty are you asking this from a safety stand point or a tactical one?
I think it in evitable that someone would get behind their opponent....... From a safety stand point, I would hope that the fighters would not take a cheap shot(goes without saying).

I have'nt had the guts yet to fight double stick 1-1.......but if a 2-2 or 2-3 double stick fight can be worked out... .....I MIGHT....emphisis on MIGHT...be intrested. Besides this is Dog Brothers......lets prove it!!!
Like I said sounds like a whole lot of PAIN.
                                                           Dog TG

[Scurvy Dog]

As for the attacks from behind goes.........Guro Crafty are you asking this from a safety stand point or a tactical one?

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure this was a safety concern question that Guro posed. The chance of an injury from a stick or staff to an opponent facing the other direction has the potential to be pretty severe. In this regard IMHO a fight of this caliber is best left to members of the tribe who understand what Dog Brothers really is about and who know what is and what is not a cheap shot as you mentioned Tom. Care would need to be taken to avoid the exposed head, neck and knees to be sure. I think it can be done though. I would be game for this but to be honest the staff part makes me pause as I'm not sure I like the idea of not having my full attention on a properly wielded staff. Yikes... (Unless I can bring the .38) 

[Crafty_Dog]

I have strong safety concerns here.

People will be whirling and even with good DB spirit, excrement happens.  At the Temecula Gathering we had someone hit in the back of the neck during the middle of a spin.  The fighter dropped instantly (and with my him, my heart), but fortunately the impact was not directly on the spine. 

Here the a primary intention precisely is to achieve attacking from behind.  Even a partial rotation that is unanticipated by the attacker could result in an unintended strike to the spine. 

Also quite possible is a strike to the kidney.  Yes I know we have liver and spleen shots in fighting sometimes, but these seem to me to be of a lesser order because they are seen and usually with punches or knees.  An unseen stick shot to the kidney seems to me of much greater order than these.  We had a stick shot to the kidney once on a man who turned to pick up a dropped stick and it dropped him hard.  IIRC he was peeing blood for a few days.  It may appear on one of the "Stickfighting is dangerous!" warnings on the beginnings of our DVDs.

[Guard Dog]

NO GUNS THIS TIME SCURVY!  I almost died last time you pulled one out . . . laughing that is.    "He's a Scurvey Dog!"

[Kaju Dog]

I have strong safety concerns here.

People will be whirling and even with good DB spirit, excrement happens.  At the Temecula Gathering we had someone hit in the back of the neck during the middle of a spin.  The fighter dropped instantly (and with my him, my heart), but fortunately the impact was not directly on the spine. 

Here the a primary intention precisely is to achieve attacking from behind.  Even a partial rotation that is unanticipated by the attacker could result in an unintended strike to the spine. 

Also quite possible is a strike to the kidney.  Yes I know we have liver and spleen shots in fighting sometimes, but these seem to me to be of a lesser order because they are seen and usually with punches or knees.  An unseen stick shot to the kidney seems to me of much greater order than these.  We had a stick shot to the kidney once on a man who turned to pick up a dropped stick and it dropped him hard.  IIRC he was peeing blood for a few days.  It may appear on one of the "Stickfighting is dangerous!" warnings on the beginnings of our DVDs.

Understood repsectfully Guro,

I respectfully retract my request.  With the intent that was posted within the following replies, I can see where this would be better set for a more controlled scenario or instructional practice lesson, not a full blown DB's "...Harder Contact" (Open to public)  Gathering.


Thanks all for your replies.  Back on track...

Lets hear it fighters, sound off if your comming in Aug. 

My Brothers Keepers...   Woof 

   

[Crafty_Dog]

I do hope that we will have various multiple player fights with knife!

Perhaps two unarmed vs one Shocknife?

[Guide Dog]

I was really looking forward to being a spectator for the 2 on 2 siniwali fight!     In all seriousness, I can understand, Crafty's concerns.  You would have to have the right mix of folks, and even then it would be hard to avoid an accidental...something.  However, I admire everyone's willingness to jump in and commit to something like that!

I realized that I was not being clear above: I have two folks from my training group who will be fighting for the first time.  One of them would be a good fight for "Dog" Ryan, not to call you out Ryan.  I am supposed to fight this fellow as well, for his first stickfight, which I find a little difficult.  I am taking steps to see that he is prepared for his first Gathering.  I have been showing him some of my favorite things to work on for a Gathering.  However, because I am going to fight him, I am not showing him everything. 

P.S. Scurvy, I too really enjoyed your gunplay at the R 2 the R.  Also, since you are so close, I need to get in touch with you and maybe you can come work with my group in the next few weeks, so they don't have to listen to me all of the time.

[bjung]

the 2 on 2 siniwali is great to try out amongst friends with action flex type sticks. they are great for working on group encounters.

[Matt Tucker]

Imogen: 'Are you fighting at the August Gathering?'

Matt: 'Dunno, Should I?' 

Imogen: 'Why would'nt you?

Matt: 'Can I? 

Imogen: 'Of course you can!

Matt: 'OK, Gulp!!!!' 

Imogen = Good Chatter

[Guard Dog]

Guide Dog, I'm in!  Now I'll ask, . .why a good fight?  I'm still not 100% for August but if things play out right I'll be able to make it.

[Guide Dog]

Ryan,

The fighter I want to get you in there with will be doing his first stickfight with me.  After that, I want to get him in there with some good folks who I know get the DB spirit who will give him good, honest energy.  Also, I think you two are pretty evenly matched in weight (he's shorter than you, but he's in very good shape) and my guy enjoys grappling.  He also knows who you are (DB promo piece and these boards) and I really think you could be good for him later in the day.  I know that you have specific things that you work on in your fights, and I don't want to book your day, especially because your involvement involves a plane ride, but I would be happy if it works out.

Bryan

[Guard Dog]

Sounds like a plan!  If not this August, next time I'm out.

[Crafty_Dog]

Woof All:

In today's episode of "As the Stick Twirls" we learned that we do not have a place for the Gathering yet.    Any ideas, suggestions, offers?

The Adventure continues!
Crafty Dog

[Kaju Dog]

Woof All:

In today's episode of "As the Stick Twirls" we learned that we do not have a place for the Gathering yet.    Any ideas, suggestions, offers?

The Adventure continues!
Crafty Dog

Hmmmm...  Got a few - I'll email you Crafty.

[Crafty_Dog]

Woof Dog Dean:

You have email.

All:

I should mention that it needs to be in the LA area.

TAC,
CD

[Guide Dog]

Guro,

As suggested on the members forum, is Acu Canyon Park out of the question for a public Gathering?

[Guard Dog]

"don't water down a good drink."

I think that having a gathering at the park might down play the importance of the 20th anniversary. 

[Guide Dog]

If that is the general feeling, that seems reasonable to me.  The hunt is still on!

[Crafty_Dog]

At the moment, our prime hope is what Pappy Dog can find.  I hope to speak with him today.

[kumurick]

I have to say that I had confused the dates and was affraid I was going to have a conflict with being able to make the gathering.
It's Grandmaster Cacoy Canete's 89th Birthday that weekend and he's doing a seminar that 8th & 9th at The House Of Champions.
In checking in here, I'm so relieved that this will be immediately following - A two day seminar with Grandmaster will be a nice tune-up for the gathering...

For anyone interested in the seminar, you can find out more about it here:
http://www.houseofchampions.com/events.html

Guro Crafty, I wonder if you've ever been to HOC and/or whether it would be a consideration for the gathering.
I'd be obliged to do whatever I can to facilitate this if so needed - just let me know.

Kumu Rick

[Crafty_Dog]

Kumu Rick:

What an interesting idea!   I will ask Pappy Dog to get in touch with you and check the place out while I am on the road.

CD