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« on: February 02, 2008, 08:35:22 AM »

http://www.m4040.com/Survival/Ghurka/History%20of%20the%20Ghurka%20Kukri.htm
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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2008, 05:31:46 PM »

When I was alot younger I had an Equestrian teacher who had been a Major in the British army. He must have been born in the 'teens or '20s, and had been one of the few British officers to complete the Italian Cavalry School training, apparently quite a feat.
He had served with the Gurkhas and had many stories of their fierceness and bravery. The one I remember had a Commanding Officer asking for volunteers to fly in low, jump from the aircraft behind enemy lines and complete some kind of mission. Only a handful of Gurkhas raised their hands which was most unusual as normally they would all volunteer. On asking why, the officer found out that the they thought they would be jumping without parachutes as he had forgotten to mention them!! Still, a handful were willing to go!
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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2008, 07:19:30 PM »

I too heard this story.  The variation I heard had it as a LALO jump, 800 feet.  Surprised at the limited response, the officer berated them.  The Gurkhas countered by asking for 400 feet.  It was only then that the officer realized they thought the jump was to be without parachutes. cheesy shocked

BTW, in the early days of the current war against Afghanistan I saw a report in the newspapers of a squad of Gurkhas marching in formation through a firefight between a couple of Afghani factions into the British compound to rescue some diplomats , , , and no one fcuked with them.
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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2008, 03:30:27 AM »

Ayo Gurkhali!! (traditional Gurkha war cry - it means "the Ghurkas are here." Nuff said.
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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2008, 12:18:43 PM »

I find it interesting that many of the security folks on cruise lines are actually Ghurkas, though they are unarmed.
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2008, 12:29:26 PM »

There used to be a really great show on various special forces on cable. They had a great documentary on the Ghurkas. highly impressive and to make selection seemed like the goal of this warrior culture.
I cannot recall exactly but i was impressed by there approach to child raising and possibly work ethic/chores. Kind of like the apaches running a mile with a mouthful of water and forced to spit it out to check if any was swallowed.
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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2008, 04:21:11 PM »

There used to be a really great show on various special forces on cable. They had a great documentary on the Ghurkas. highly impressive and to make selection seemed like the goal of this warrior culture.
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'World of valor' on the Discovery channel back in the day.
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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2008, 06:49:44 PM »

Hi
I heard that Kukris is one of the weapons taught in the art of Bando.Has anyone seen it performed?Anything Graphic around?Like You tube or on Google.
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« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2010, 04:51:33 PM »

Gurkha ordered back to UK after beheading dead Taliban fighter

By Christopher Leake
Last updated at 11:26 AM on 18th July 2010

A Gurkha soldier has been flown back to the UK after hacking the head off a dead Taliban commander with his ceremonial knife to prove the dead man’s identity.

The private, from 1st Battalion, Royal Gurkha Rifles, was involved in a fierce firefight with insurgents in the Babaji area of central Helmand Province when the incident took place earlier this month.  His unit had been told that they were seeking a ‘high value target,’ a Taliban commander, and that they must prove they had killed the right man.  The Gurkhas had intended to remove the Taliban leader’s body from the battlefield for identification purposes but they came under heavy fire as their tried to do so. Military sources said that in the heat of battle, the Gurkha took out his curved kukri knife and beheaded the dead insurgent.

He is understood to have removed the man’s head from the area, leaving the rest of his body on the battlefield.

This is considered a gross insult to the Muslims of Afghanistan, who bury the entire body of their dead even if parts have to be retrieved.

British soldiers often return missing body parts once a battle has ended so the dead can be buried in one piece.

A source said: ‘Removing the head in this way was totally inappropriate.’

Army sources said that the soldier, who is in his early 20s, initially told investigators that he unsheathed his kukri – the symbolic weapon of the Gurkhas – after running out of ammunition.  But later the Taliban fighter was mutilated so his identity could be verified through DNA tests.

The source said: ‘The soldier has been removed from duty and flown home. There is no sense of glory involved here, more a sense of shame. He should not have done what he did.’

The incident, which is being investigated by senior commanders, is hugely embarrassing to the British Army, which is trying to build bridges with local Afghan communities who have spent decades under *Taliban rule.

It comes just days after a rogue Afghan soldier murdered three British troops from the same Gurkha regiment.

If the Gurkha being investigated by the Army is found guilty of beheading the dead enemy soldier, he will have contravened the Geneva Conventions which dictate the rules of war. Soldiers are banned from demeaning their enemies.

The Gurkha now faces disciplinary action and a possible court martial. If found guilty, he could be jailed. He is now confined to barracks at the Shorncliffe garrison, near Folkestone, Kent.

The incident happened as the Gurkha troop was advancing towards a hostile area before engaging the enemy in battle.

Colonel Richard Kemp, a former commander of British forces in Afghanistan, said: ‘In this case, it appears that the *soldier was not acting maliciously, but his actions were clearly ill-judged. ‘The Gurkhas are a very fine regiment with a proud tradition of service in the British forces and have fought very bravely in Afghanistan.  'I have no doubt that this behaviour would be as strongly condemned by the other members of that regiment, as it would by all soldiers in the British forces.’

A Ministry of Defence spokesman said: ‘We are aware of an incident and have informed the Afghan authorities. An inves-t*igation is underway and it would not be appropriate to comment further until this is concluded.’

The Ministry also revealed yesterday that four British servicemen had been killed in Afghanistan in 24 hours.  An airman from the RAF Regiment died in a road accident near Camp Bastion in Helmand and a marine from 40 Commando Royal Marines was killed in an explosion in Sangin on Friday.
 
A Royal Dragoon Guard died in a blast in the Nahr-e Saraj district of Helmand Province yesterday. The fourth serviceman also died in an explosion.

The British death toll in the Afghan campaign since 2001 is now 322.

Afghan troops trained by the British Army recently led a major operation into a Taliban stronghold.

It was one of the first operations organised by the Afghan National Army.

Regiment’s proud symbol of valour

The iconic kukri knife used by the Gurkhas can be a weapon or a tool. It is the traditional utility knife of the Nepalese people, but is mainly known as a symbolic weapon for Gurkha regiments all over the world.

The kukri signifies courage and valour on the battlefield and is sometimes worn by bridegrooms during their wedding ceremony.

The kukri’s heavy blade enables the user to inflict deep wounds and to cut muscle and bone with one stroke.

It can also be used in stealth operations to slash an enemy’s throat, killing him instantly and silently.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...n-fighter.html
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« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2010, 05:06:00 PM »

Fcuking Bullshiite!
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« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2010, 09:06:03 PM »

After all, he did bring it back...
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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2010, 10:01:17 PM »

Hi
I heard that Kukris is one of the weapons taught in the art of Bando.Has anyone seen it performed?Anything Graphic around?Like You tube or on Google.
Thanks
Bruno

The Kukri is the main spirit weapon for most who practice Bando. This is the only video I have ever seen on the web, though it is only a form competition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnxlotjDTZk

Tyler


As an add on I found another guy called Bando Bob on youtube and he has some video of Ron Meekins teaching as well as some good overall video of Bando.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c20IF_Vu0_Y
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« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2010, 07:26:12 AM »

A recent (last 6 months?) cold steel video has them using their Kukri to cut 18 of 19 one inch strands of manila rope.  They worked with a bando master to design their blade too.  You may be able to reference some stuff thru their website?  ( coldsteel.com)
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« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2010, 04:14:49 PM »

Here is a video of Gurkha troops at Shorncliffe Barracks demonstrating a close-order drill with their Kukris.  Kind of stiff (as most miltary drills are, which have to be synchronized between a large group of men) but it probably gives an idea of the basic strike combinations they employ:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPD9LxbgLxU&feature=related

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« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2010, 08:33:43 PM »

I just remembered a odd bit of trivia - in the original novel "DRACULA" by Bram Stoker, Dracula isn't killed by a stake through his heart, but has a bowie knife rammed through his heart (by a Texan, no less) as his head is chopped off by a Kukri wielded by a character who, if memory serves, was an officer in a Gurkha regiment.
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« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2010, 03:14:39 PM »

I will have to give that another look  smiley

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« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2010, 09:10:05 AM »

I know that some EP/bodyguard work is done by Gurkhas in Hong Kong.
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« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2010, 08:50:16 AM »

Mick:

I like the bend him over with the kick and then split his skull part of the combo, but, NOT that this is an area of any substantial knowledge on my part, but these are the first kukri moves I have seen that stop at centerline.  Given the mass of the tool it makes sense to me that most moves carry through.
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« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2010, 08:45:22 PM »

Mick:

I like the bend him over with the kick and then split his skull part of the combo, but, NOT that this is an area of any substantial knowledge on my part, but these are the first kukri moves I have seen that stop at centerline.  Given the mass of the tool it makes sense to me that most moves carry through.

I'd guess that since that was a public display, they wanted to make the moves short and precise and opted for uniformity over brute force.  Some guys I met in the Army from a Texas National Guard LRRP unit had big kukris on their rucksacks that they used as a brush clearing tool or hatchet.  I played around with one and yeah, that forward mass in the blade made it feel like you could do a lot of damage.
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« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2010, 05:21:48 AM »

They have a balance/ weight that feels hatchet like, so it would follow that brush and wood/kindling chopping would be functions it is used for.  Incidentally I misremembered the figures for the coldsteel cutting, 15" of manila rope is what they were able to cut thru...........   
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« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2011, 08:01:28 AM »

Lone Nepali Gorkha who subdued 40 train robbers-bishnu-shrestha
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Friday, 14 January 2011 19:58
 
Lone Nepali Gorkha who subdued 40 train robbers


 POKHARA, Jan 13: Gorkha soldiers have long been known the world over for their valor and these khukuri-wielding warriors winning the British many a battle have become folklore.

A retired Indian Gorkha soldier recently revisited those glory days when he thwarted 40 robbers, killing three of them and injuring eight others, with his khukuri during a train journey. He is in line to receive three gallantry awards from the Indian government.

Slave girl Morgiana in the Arabian Nights used her cunning to finish off Ali Baba´s 40 thieves, but Bishnu Shrestha of Baidam, Pokhara-6 did not have time to plot against the 40 train robbers. He, however, made good use of his khukuri to save the chastity of a girl and hundreds of thousands in loot.
Shrestha, who was in the Maurya Express to Gorakhpur from Ranchi on September 2 while returning home following voluntary retirement from the Indian army--saved the girl who was going to be raped by the robbers in front of her helpless parents, and in doing so won plaudits from everybody.


The government of Nepal decided to provide special honor to the Indian Gorkha soldier who fought as many as 40 bandits in a train with nothing but a khukuri, and thwarted them from robbing passengers and raping a minor.

“He will be provided a special honor for doing Nepal proud at international stage,” Finance Minister Surendra Raj Pandey said after the cabinet meeting on Thursday. The government, however, has yet to declare what the honor would comprise of and when will it be given.

The Indian government is to decorate Shrestha with its Sourya Chakra, Bravery Award and Sarvottam Jeevan Raksha Medal and the 35-year-old is leaving for India Saturday to receive the first of the awards on the occasion of India´s Republic Day on January 26.

“The formal announcement of the awards will be made on Republic Day and on Independence Day on August 15,” said Shrestha, whose father Gopal Babu also retired from the same 7/8 Platoon of the Gorkha Regiment around 29 years ago.
His regiment has already given him a cash award of Indian rupees 50,000, and decided to terminate his voluntary retirement. He will get the customary promotion after receiving the medals. The Indian government will also announce a cash bounty for him and special discounts on international air tickets and domestic train tickets.

The band of about 40 robbers, some of whom were travelling as passengers, stopped the train in the Chittaranjan jungles in West Bengal around midnight. Shrestha-- who had boarded the train at Ranchi in Jharkhand, the place of his posting--was in seat no. 47 in coach AC3.

“They started snatching jewelry, cell phones, cash, laptops and other belongings from the passengers,” Shrestha recalled. The soldier had somehow remained a silent spectator amidst the melee, but not for long. He had had enough when the robbers stripped an 18-year-old girl sitting next to him and tried to rape her right in front of her parents. He then took out his khukuri and took on the robbers.
“The girl cried for help, saying ´You are a soldier, please save a sister´,” Shrestha recalled. “I prevented her from being raped, thinking of her as my own sister,” he added. He took one of the robbers under control and then started to attack the others. He said the rest of the robbers fled after he killed three of them with his khukuri and injured eight others.

During the scuffle he received serious blade injury to his left hand while the girl also had a minor cut on her neck. “They had carried out their robbery with swords, blades and pistols. The pistols may have been fake as they didn´t open fire,” he surmised.
The train resumed its journey after some 20 minutes and a horde of media persons and police were present when it reached Chittaranja station. Police arrested the eight injured dacoits and recovered around 400,000 Indian rupees in cash, 40 gold necklaces, 200 cell phones, 40 laptops and other items that the fleeing robbers dropped in the train.

Police escorted Shrestha to the Railways Hospital after the rescued girl told them about his heroic deed. Mainstream Indian media carried the story. The parents of the girl, who was going for her MBBS studies, also announced a cash award of Indian rupees 300,000 for him but he has not met them since.

“Even the veins and arteries in my left hand were slit but the injury has now healed after two months of neurological treatment at the Command Hospital in Kolkata,” he said showing the scar. “Fighting the enemy in battle is my duty as a soldier; taking on the dacoits in the train was my duty as a human being,” said the Indian army nayak, who has been given two guards during his month-long holidays in Nepal.

“I am proud to be able to prove that a Gorkha soldier with a khukuri is really a handful. I would have been a meek spectator had I not carried that khukuri,” he said.

He still finds it hard to believe that he took on 40 armed robbers alone. “They may have feared that more of my army friends were traveling with me and fled after fighting me for around 20 minutes,” he explained. 

Meanwhile Shrestha is finding it difficult to reach out to all those who intend to honor him for his courageous act. He has already been honored by around a dozen private firms, mothers´ groups, local political leaders and schools, while many are preparing to honor him. Some firms from Kathmandu have also invited him for felicitation.

“My son is finding it difficult to manage time to accept all the honors,” said Shrestha´s elated father Gopal Babu who had also retired around 29 years ago from the same 7/8 Platoon of the Gorkha Regiment, that his son served. “We had never thought that he would be honored at this scale,” Gopal Babu expressed his happiness.

Agni Air, Rastriya Paropakar Mahasangh, Shantipatan Tole Sudhar Samiti, Miteri Mothers´ Group, ward committees of the Nepali Congress and Communist Part of Nepal-Unified Marxist Leninist, Tal Barahi Higher Secondary School and others have already honored him. “He could not travel to Kathmandu due to lack of time,” his father said.

On most occasions he was felicitated with shawl (khada), vermillion, dhaka topi and given certificates. Agni Air has given him an honorary life membership and announced a limetime free air travel. “Some of my friends from India even called me to congratulate for his bravery. Everybody should honor such brave persons,” said Sushil Basnet of Agni Air.

The soldier was happy about all the appreciation he has received from different quarters and thanked the media for covering the news. “The Indian media brought the incident to light and the Nepali media too gave it due importance. I may have even been sent to jail on the charge of robbery had the girl and the Indian media not come forward to my support,” Shrestha said. “I was hardly recognized even in Baidam. Now the whole country knows me.”
 
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« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2011, 11:14:16 AM »

Dayum!

Fought 20 mins (not sure if this was verified or the Adrenaline Dump misperception of time)... killed 3 and injured 8... 40 bandits in total, luckily, if it's the stereotypical railroad train car, narrow passage in middle, limited access at Gurkha by bandits.

IIRC their battlecry,

"Ayo Gurkha!"

EDIT:  it's "Gorkhali Ayo!" (The Gurkhas are coming!)

EDIT 2: Apologies to Matt Tucker, he posted it above. Didn't see it. LOL @ me
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« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2011, 12:21:45 PM »

Hopefully it looked something like the aftermath of the tea house battle in "Kill Bill".   evil
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« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2011, 12:39:13 PM »

Hopefully it looked something like the aftermath of the tea house battle in "Kill Bill".   evil

Yeah, I can imagine that G M.
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« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2011, 04:01:00 PM »

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/400-rounds-17-grenades-30-enemies-soldier-single-handedly-beats-back-taliban-barrage/
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« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2011, 06:47:18 PM »

“I tried to fire my SA80 but it wouldn’t work,” he said.

“I don’t know if there was an obstruction or the magazine was finished.

The SA80 has had lots of problems since first being adopted by the UK. The SAS preferred the M-16/M4 to them.
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« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2011, 04:35:51 PM »

Much better interview with him in The Times last week.  His gun ran out of ammunition, his Major was one of the first people to come to his aide.  Initially he thought his Major was an enemy fighter and tried to shoot him!  When asked if he would have shot his Major he replied "No, I had run out of ammunition."  grin

Also, with reference to the SA80, the current model in service is the SA80-A2, which has been in general service for about the last 3/4 yrs.  No problems with it at all (apart from you still can't fire it southpaw).
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« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2011, 07:57:30 PM »

So, what is the URL of The Times interview?
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« Reply #28 on: March 28, 2011, 06:33:30 AM »

So, what is the URL of The Times interview?

The Times charge for access to their news site (very controversial at the time, but seems to be working for them), I buy a printed copy everyday because I prefer paper (also it then goes in my Guinea Pigs cage as bedding) grin
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« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2011, 02:13:09 PM »

http://www.deathvalleymag.com/2010/10/16/civilian-contractors-the-nepali-gurkha-in-international-security-contracting/#more-5428
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« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2011, 05:12:44 PM »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1393355/Hero-Gurkha-handed-bravery-medal-Queen-said-I-thought-I-going-die--I-tried-kill-I-could.html

'I thought I was going to die... so I tried to kill as many as I could': Hero Gurkha receives bravery medal from the Queen

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1393355/Hero-Gurkha-handed-bravery-medal-Queen-said-I-thought-I-going-die--I-tried-kill-I-could.htm
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« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2011, 01:10:34 PM »

Posted on behalf of Crafty Dog...

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« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2011, 01:23:20 PM »

So, I already have some Cold Steel Kukri machetes (reasonable anti-zombie precautions). What brand/make/model of Kukri is preferred by you all?
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« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2011, 03:02:36 PM »

So, I already have some Cold Steel Kukri machetes (reasonable anti-zombie precautions). What brand/make/model of Kukri is preferred by you all?

I have a few, but for the $25 that Cold Steel sells theirs for, and with the exception of the excessive flash that is left on the blade from their grinding process, they can't be beat.

I hammer mine quite a bit, it keeps it's edge and the steel is decent and resistant to bending.

My two cents.
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« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2011, 03:16:22 PM »

Opinions are like noses, everyone has one.  Here's mine:

The CS one weighs a lot less, which can be important when carrying weight is an issue.  That said, I much prefer the real ones.  The power that comes from the heft is awesome and the natural material of the handle is much more agreeable to the skin on my hands than the petroleum based synthetic of the CS handle.
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« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2011, 03:25:17 PM »

Opinions are like noses, everyone has one.  Here's mine:

The CS one weighs a lot less, which can be important when carrying weight is an issue.  That said, I much prefer the real ones.  The power that comes from the heft is awesome and the natural material of the handle is much more agreeable to the skin on my hands than the petroleum based synthetic of the CS handle.

Where did you buy those kukris?
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« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2011, 03:28:39 PM »

I got mine from Bando GM Myung Gyi.  There were from India he said.
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« Reply #37 on: June 09, 2012, 11:30:16 AM »



http://www.metro.co.uk/news/859087-gurkha-who-fought-off-30-taliban-by-himself-awarded-honour

Gurkha Dipprasad Pun who fought off 30 Taliban by himself awarded honour

www.metro.co.uk

A Gurkha who fired 400 bullets and 17 grenades while single-handedly fighting off 30 Taliban militants is to receive the second highest military
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« Reply #38 on: October 15, 2012, 01:43:15 PM »

More Gurkha bad assery!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2217460/Gurkha-ignores-knife-wound-trap-mugger-15-minutes-blade-stuck-arm.html

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« Reply #39 on: October 15, 2012, 04:06:20 PM »

Too bad he didn't have his Kukri with him.
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« Reply #40 on: October 15, 2012, 04:38:08 PM »

http://yhst-7333098713883.stores.yahoo.net/18inchwwii.html

These are supposed to be both authentic and very well made. If you've read the Monster Hunter books (If not, I strongly recommend that you do) this is where the Ganga Ram came from.
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« Reply #41 on: October 15, 2012, 04:39:58 PM »

http://yhst-7333098713883.stores.yahoo.net/18inchwwii.html

These are supposed to be both authentic and very well made. If you've read the Monster Hunter books (If not, I strongly recommend that you do) this is where the Ganga Ram came from.

http://www.himalayan-imports.com/
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« Reply #42 on: October 15, 2012, 07:03:12 PM »

I didn't see the prices on the second of the sites GM shares, but $175 on the first one seems to me one helluva markup.
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« Reply #43 on: October 15, 2012, 07:12:08 PM »

I didn't see the prices on the second of the sites GM shares, but $175 on the first one seems to me one helluva markup.

I'm pretty sure it is. Still, if it's authentic and well made, I think It'd  be worth it.
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« Reply #44 on: October 05, 2013, 08:51:52 AM »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2443292/Gurkha-Tuljung-Gurung-Armed-Forces-given-honours.html
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