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« Reply #50 on: August 29, 2014, 11:53:32 AM »


Paul Ryan is stepping up his game.  Paul Ryan subbed for Sean Hannity for a 3 hour nationwide radio show yesterday.  He was already into a monologue when I started listening that I thought was very inspirational, talking very clearly and persuasively about the direction we should be headed.  He has a new book out, The Way Forward: Renewing the American Idea".

http://www.amazon.com/The-Way-Forward-Renewing-American/dp/1455557560
http://www.hughhewitt.com/paul-ryans-way-forward-renewing-american-idea/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_JrbDUqNQY

I'm not convinced he could win, but he is a very sharp guy with a great background and has his head on straight.  He would be a great choice for President IMHO.
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« Reply #51 on: August 29, 2014, 10:35:46 PM »

I read this piece in the Hillsdale publication.  Very thoughtful but I have real problems with him talking up the left's social programs like soc. sec. etc. as being wonderful.

But at least he is thinking big.  Far bigger than Rove and the Bush crowd.

 
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« Reply #52 on: August 30, 2014, 02:16:30 AM »


I think he has made the calculation, probably correctly, that SS is here to stay and after seeing what happened to Bush-2 when he tried to reform it, he has decided that that particular battle is lost.
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« Reply #53 on: January 10, 2016, 12:33:59 PM »

Caught Speaker Ryan on one of the talk shows this morning.   The man is so far superior to Boener as a face and spokesman for the Rep Party that I fail to come up with an analogy.  His use of the Jack Kemp themes (PR having been a serious student and supporter to JK for many years) is superb. 

Let's see what he does now that the debris of the Boener era is in the rear view mirror.  I have hopes.

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« Reply #54 on: January 10, 2016, 03:04:26 PM »

Caught Speaker Ryan on one of the talk shows this morning.   The man is so far superior to Boener as a face and spokesman for the Rep Party that I fail to come up with an analogy.  His use of the Jack Kemp themes (PR having been a serious student and supporter to JK for many years) is superb. 

Let's see what he does now that the debris of the Boener era is in the rear view mirror.  I have hopes.



Great. A talented spokesman to sell us out. Just what I was hoping for.
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« Reply #55 on: January 10, 2016, 03:11:22 PM »

Caught Speaker Ryan on one of the talk shows this morning.   The man is so far superior to Boener as a face and spokesman for the Rep Party that I fail to come up with an analogy.  His use of the Jack Kemp themes (PR having been a serious student and supporter to JK for many years) is superb. 

Let's see what he does now that the debris of the Boener era is in the rear view mirror.  I have hopes.



Great. A talented spokesman to sell us out. Just what I was hoping for.

Your wry sense of humor and enthusiasm matches my own.
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« Reply #56 on: January 10, 2016, 03:21:59 PM »

Ryan has a long and serious record on budgetary issues.  His Kemp based politics of opportunity are something which the Rep Party desperately needs.  He communicates well and makes it hard to portray Reps as big meanies.

 You guys run the risk of making the perfect the enemy of the good.
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« Reply #57 on: January 10, 2016, 03:47:15 PM »

For what (little) it is worth... I agree with Crafty on Paul Ryan.  If you want to pull him further to the right, elect a majority within the majority to do that.  Win 60 in the Senate.  And prove we are still competitive in Presidential elections.  In the meantime, he is a skilled and knowledgeable spokesman on a lot of economic issues so use him.

In the current interview, he was presenting a positive case for private sector growth economics to people who are not normally inclined to vote that way.  It's about time someone did that - especially at the national leadership level!

In the horrible budget deal, Ryan was dealt a hand that would not have beaten the President.  The previous cavings had lasting consequences.  He didn't bother to blame it all on his predecessors, and his wimpy fellow Republican representatives so he took al the arrows.  Now we have to win hearts and minds to move forward.  Deal Paul Ryan a better hand or replace him from a position of conservative strength  if you think he is too moderate or too RINO.

Instead of developing a conservative consensus from the ground up to make sure this never happens again, most of us keep falling for shiny objects and deck chair arrangement debates along the path of creeping liberalism on the way to the precipice. 

Elect a conservative who can win - for President, for congress in your district and in the Senate races.
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« Reply #58 on: March 19, 2016, 07:08:25 PM »

Apparently he has said he will not support any cuts in Muslim immigration.
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« Reply #59 on: March 20, 2016, 06:04:13 AM »

Apparently he has said he will not support any cuts in Muslim immigration.


Of course not. Government funded anti-radicalization positions are one of the few areas of job growth.
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« Reply #60 on: March 20, 2016, 10:39:39 AM »

I just heard that that the NJ longshoremen are not hiring EXCEPT Syrian refugees.  I don't know if this is true but that is what someone who would know just stated.

I guess that in addition to the job with benefits they get Democratic voter registrations and union cards.

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« Reply #61 on: March 27, 2016, 05:17:07 PM »

Paul Ryan and the Trump Squeeze Play
A left-right crossfire aims at taking the House Speaker down.
Speaker of the House Rep. Paul Ryan on Capitol Hill on March 23 in Washington, DC. ENLARGE
Speaker of the House Rep. Paul Ryan on Capitol Hill on March 23 in Washington, DC. Photo: Getty Images
March 25, 2016 6:46 p.m. ET
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This has been a bizarre election year, and it’s getting more so: An odd crossfire from the left and right is attacking Paul Ryan for not attacking Donald Trump more vigorously and even failing to lead a third-party challenge. As if the Trump insurgency hasn’t done enough damage, they’re volunteering the Speaker to risk the House majority too.

Mr. Ryan has already spoken up three times about Mr. Trump’s rhetorical excesses, and this week he offered a broader defense of a better politics. He spoke of his hope for a more “confident America” where “we don’t shut people down. If someone has a bad idea, we tell them why our idea is better. We don’t insult them into agreeing with us. We try to persuade them. . . . We shouldn’t accept ugliness as the norm. We should demand better from ourselves and one another.”
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This isn’t enough for Mr. Ryan’s critics, and readers should understand their self-serving motives. For progressives, the goal is to use Mr. Trump as a wedge to produce even wider GOP divisions and drive a stake in Mr. Ryan’s politics of growth and upward mobility.

Democrats view Mr. Trump as the easiest nominee to defeat, and they will then cheer on a potential stop-Trump third party that fractures the GOP coalition even further and throws the Electoral College to Hillary Clinton in a landslide. Beyond this election year, they see Mr. Ryan as the more serious long-term policy threat and want to take him down too.

On the other side are a cast of conservative intellectuals who don’t like Mr. Ryan because he continues to believe in the Ronald Reagan-Jack Kemp vision of a tax-reforming, free-market GOP that focuses on economic growth. They think the GOP needs a policy mix to address income inequality and promote redistribution—albeit to the middle class—rather than aiming for faster growth.

They’d love to volunteer Mr. Ryan for a kamikaze political mission that leaves someone else to pick up the rubble in 2020. This year most of this crowd wanted Marco Rubio, who adopted many of their ideas, but perhaps you don’t recall how “wage enhancement” and a new $2,500 tax credit for children stirred the masses.

Mr. Ryan is doing fine on his own and he can afford to ignore this left-right advice. The Speaker hasn’t hesitated to condemn Mr. Trump’s bad ideas on the merits as they arise, including his Muslim travel ban. But Mr. Ryan also has other obligations, not least protecting the GOP from larger damage this election year.

Start with his role as chairman of the Republican National Convention in Cleveland, which could be contested for the first time in decades. He’s officially neutral, and he’ll undermine his credibility and impartiality if he joins the never-Trump clique—especially when the Trump campaign is already warning of riots and building a stabbed-in-the-back narrative if their man doesn’t get the nomination.

If Mr. Trump is the nominee, then Mr. Ryan must defend his party’s best interests. This means above all protecting the House majority that polls show a Trump nomination could imperil. If Mrs. Clinton is elected President and Chuck Schumer runs the Senate, a GOP House is the only defense against a policy repeat of 2009-2010. Mr. Ryan can’t simply write off the GOP nominee and the millions of votes Mr. Trump has won.

The House GOP’s role will also be crucial if Mr. Trump wins in November. The businessman has no fixed principles we can detect, and a GOP Congress would have to steer him away from his worst instincts on trade, immigration and isolationism.

Mr. Ryan has shown he can elevate the GOP’s vision and ambitions before. He once was a backbencher pushing reform budgets into the void of the late Tom-DeLay-George W. Bush era. He has gone on to do more than any other Republican during the Obama Presidency to promote constructive alternatives, especially on health care. Since 2012 Mitt Romney’s running mate has tried to build a bipartisan consensus to solve the failures of U.S. antipoverty programs. This year he’s convened an “agenda project” to detail what the GOP would try to achieve in 2017.

The irony is that many of the same pundits now demanding that Mr. Ryan become their sword against Mr. Trump also praised the New Yorker last summer for his challenge to GOP orthodoxy. These former Trump apologists claimed the GOP should absorb his rage against the status quo. Instead of income-tax rate cuts, get behind family-friendly tax credits. Make peace with the entitlement state. Restrict trade and immigration allegedly to lift blue-collar wages. Alas for these would-be king-makers, Mr. Trump doesn’t take much advice.

The Trump insurgency has a long way to play out, and someone else could still win the GOP nomination. But whatever happens, Mr. Ryan and his political allies will have to limit the policy and political damage. That means preserving a vision of the GOP as a pro-growth, reform party that is inclusive and meets the challenges of the current era. Mr. Ryan knows how to do that better than his critics do.
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« Reply #62 on: May 05, 2016, 07:45:11 PM »

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/06/us/politics/paul-ryan-donald-trump.html?emc=edit_na_20160505&nlid=49641193&ref=cta&_r=0
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« Reply #63 on: May 05, 2016, 11:20:24 PM »


I love it.  Let's have a conservative House triangulate with the new Dem Senate and Trump White House.

Maybe gridlock is the best answer remaining with victory out of reach.
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« Reply #64 on: May 06, 2016, 07:32:55 AM »


I love it.  Let's have a conservative House triangulate with the new Dem Senate and Trump White House.

Maybe gridlock is the best answer remaining with victory out of reach.

That is about the best case scenario at this point.
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« Reply #65 on: June 20, 2016, 06:28:37 PM »

Some discussion, mostly negative, of Paul Ryan on the DT thread:
http://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=2551.msg96811#msg96811

'Conservative Review rates him at 55%', not very good. 

The American Conservative Union rates Paul Ryan at 90%, lifetime score:
https://votesmart.org/candidate/evaluations/26344/paul-ryan#.V2h6LLsrLIU

In the age of Obama elected twice and Bernie Sanders being possible, we might consider ourselves a little bit lucky to have the most conservative Speaker in our lifetime, even though his record is far from pure.

Heritage is more pure than ACU, rates him at 63%; that's not great either, but only one Democrat in the House scores over 30%, Obamacare dissenter, Collin Peterson, representing western MN at 34%.
http://www.heritageactionscorecard.com/members/member/r000570
http://www.heritageactionscorecard.com/members

Milwaukee Journal Sentinal, link below:
"Ryan has taken a pragmatic tack in voting to keep the government going and avert shutdowns and crippling standoffs over the vast policy gulf between the parties. That approach puts him at odds with some more militant Republicans."
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Another point would be that Ryan represents divided district that voted for Obama 2008 by 4 points.  The alternative to a stay elected stance by a Republican is to have a leftist in that seat.  Also, no more conservative member either wanted the Speakership or had the votes.  We perhaps need to move the voters to the right first before expecting purists to win national elections.
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http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/333032741.html  (written just before Ryan became speaker)

"Despite his critics on the right, Paul Ryan would rank as most conservative speaker in decades"

By Craig Gilbert of the Journal Sentinel

Paul Ryan would be the most conservative House speaker in generations, as measured by a congressional rating system widely used by political scientists.

But he's not conservative enough for some activists on the right, who are voicing qualms about a Ryan speakership.

That development probably says less about Ryan's own politics — which have changed little over the years — than it does about the growing militancy of the GOP's right wing.

The Janesville Republican is being lobbied to succeed John Boehner as speaker in the midst of a party leadership crisis. Ryan says he doesn't want the job, but many colleagues are trying to change his mind.

The opposition to Ryan — or, at the very least, the tepid reception to him — isn't widespread and may not be powerful enough to derail a "draft Ryan" effort. But the fact that questions are being raised about his House conservatism is striking considering the nine-term congressman's longtime popularity with the right and his own political history.

Ryan's House budgets and his "road map" for the future (a controversial manifesto of conservative change) were hailed on the right as trailblazing blueprints for limited government.

Ryan's selection as Mitt Romney's running mate in 2012 was embraced by conservatives who wanted to draw a sharper ideological contrast with President Barack Obama.

And Ryan's voting record has consistently placed him in the right half of the Republican caucus in the House.

The number of policy issues on which Ryan parts company with the GOP's conservative base is quite small.

But the biggest fault lines in the party these days are over tone and tactics.

Ryan has taken a pragmatic tack in voting to keep the government going and avert shutdowns and crippling standoffs over the vast policy gulf between the parties. That approach puts him at odds with some more militant Republicans.

Nevertheless, his voting history in the U.S. House places him to the right of current Speaker John Boehner, Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy and former Majority Leader Eric Cantor, according to the leading academic ratings of congressional voting pioneered by political scientists Keith Poole and Howard Rosenthal.

That history also puts Ryan to the right of the three previous GOP speakers of the postwar era: Dennis Hastert (speaker from 1999 to 2007), Newt Gingrich (1995-'99) and Joseph Martin (1953-'55).

The notion that Ryan isn't conservative is "absolutely insane," says Keith Poole, the University of Georgia professor and a creator of the rankings. His data suggests that if anything, Ryan has grown a bit more conservative during his 17 years in the House.

But because House Republicans have shifted so much to the right during his career, Ryan's conservative ranking in his caucus is a little lower than it used to be. In Ryan's first two years in office, he ranked as the 18th most conservative member of the House, according to the ratings. But he ranked as the 51st most conservative Republican in the last Congress (2013-'14).

Poole has a separate set of ratings that measure a lawmaker's entire career and are comparable across time periods.

Ryan's career score places him to right of 84% of the House Republicans he served with in his first term (1999-2000). It puts him to the right of only 65% of today's House Republicans, due to the changing political makeup of the GOP caucus.

The Poole-Rosenthal ratings are based on a broad cross-section of roll call votes.

Ryan's roll call ratings from conservative organizations are based on a much more selective pool of votes, and vary from group to group.

Ryan has a 90% lifetime rating from the 51-year-old American Conservative Union. But he has a much lower lifetime rating — 63% — from Heritage Action for America, a tea party-style group that takes a more purist and confrontational line on legislation.

Complaints about Ryan from his critics on the right typically fall into a few categories:

■ Ryan's support for spending bills and legislative compromises designed to keep the government running and avert a crisis. One example: the deal Ryan cut with Senate Democrat Patty Murray in 2013, passed overwhelmingly by the House, to temporarily lift some spending caps to resolve a budget standoff.

■ Immigration. Ryan supports a lengthy "probation" for illegal immigrants and conditional path to legal status. He is among the more liberal House Republicans on this issue. But Ryan has also been careful not to drift too far from his caucus, agreeing with most Republicans that enforcement and security should come first. On arguably the biggest immigration vote in the House in the past decade, Ryan voted for the hard-line, conservative 2005 immigration bill authored by Wisconsin's Jim Sensenbrenner and decried by Latino groups and immigration advocates.

■ A series of votes that Ryan cast during George W. Bush's presidency for the No Child Left Behind education law, the Medicare prescription drug benefit, and the auto and bank bailouts in the midst of the 2008 financial crisis. These votes were in support of a GOP president, but have drawn sharp criticism from some on the right. Beyond these items, there aren't that many issues where Ryan has split from conservatives. He has opposed efforts to end Davis-Bacon, the prevailing wage requirement on federally funded public works projects. He has opposed efforts to end Trade Adjustment Assistance, the program that aids workers displaced by foreign trade. He supported renewal in 2013 of the Violence Against Women Act, opposed by a majority of Republicans, to cite a few examples.

On the vast majority of contested issues before Congress, however, Ryan has cast conservative votes. And he has spent much of his career pushing the GOP in a more conservative direction on the role of government and urging his party to be bolder in drawing contrasts with Democrats.

If Ryan ends up as House Speaker, the GOP will be getting a leader who has been more conservative over his career than the average Republican, and more conservative than his predecessors in party leadership.

   - Craig Gilbert is the Journal Sentinel's Washington Bureau Chief and writes the Wisconsin Voter blog about politics and elections.
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« Reply #66 on: June 20, 2016, 06:38:53 PM »

More conservative than his predecessors, isn't a high bar.
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« Reply #67 on: June 20, 2016, 06:55:14 PM »

More conservative than his predecessors, isn't a high bar.

People here liked Newt.  His Contract with America contained poll tested issues, not hard line right issues.   When he took a hard line with Clinton, he lost with the American people.

More conservative than half of his elected Republican colleagues isn't a high bar either.  Still I think his economic views are more conservative than his voting record and he is more conservative than DT [and HRC!] and of the Senate no matter which side carries it. 

G M, We have not been winning the debate on issues nationally for a long time.  Now our side doesn't even try. 

Speaking of national issues and conservative ratngs, what would Trump's lifetime ACU rating be?  (Rhetorical, for another thread...)
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« Reply #68 on: June 20, 2016, 09:40:59 PM »

Without looking, I am guessing Trump's ACU score is identical to Hillary's.
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« Reply #69 on: October 11, 2016, 08:34:37 PM »

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/16/paul-ryan-funds-visas-300000-muslim-migrants-house-republicans-give-standing-ovation/
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« Reply #70 on: October 17, 2016, 02:27:26 PM »

This is precisely why so many Republicans despise this man:

http://time.com/4532520/paul-ryan-donald-trumps-rigged-election/

If he stated the overall process appears to be intact but there is huge potential for fraud I would be ok with this but to act as though fraud does not exist ,  manipulation does not exist is nothing less than a slap in the face to all those who rightfully do not believe the "establishment"

Talk about tone deaf.  Yes we need a new party with new leadership.   But we need genius talented political animals to make it happen.   So far no fits the bill in fall respects.
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