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« Reply #400 on: October 26, 2015, 10:41:08 AM »

"While she compared the attack in Benghazi to the attack in Beirut under Reagan, there was a crucial difference.  President Reagan took responsibility for the security that allowed a breach, right from the start, and our nation moved on.  These slimy people blamed a youtube trailer with 300 views while maintaining telling us that they al Qaida "on the run".  

She took responsibility for Benghazi.   She said she did!   angry

I  agree with you Doug.  The Clintons again frustrate all of us.   They are criminals and they continue to get away with it by corrupt means.  Very sad for this country and the world.

There is no comparison between her and Reagan.  None.

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« Reply #401 on: October 27, 2015, 08:51:48 AM »

This sums it all up.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/10/25/megyn_kelly_no_hillary_did_not_emerge_unscathed_she_admitted_benghazi_attack_was_not_about_video.html
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« Reply #402 on: November 04, 2015, 02:41:51 PM »

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/03/emails-released-state-dept-contradict-hillary-clintons-benghazi-testimony/

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« Reply #403 on: November 30, 2015, 03:16:19 PM »

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/30/benghazi-commission-obama-admin-gun-running-scheme-armed-islamic-state/

PS:  Can someone please find that youtube clip of Hillary chortling about killing Kadaffy?
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« Reply #404 on: December 01, 2015, 08:34:50 AM »

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/30/benghazi-commission-obama-admin-gun-running-scheme-armed-islamic-state/

PS:  Can someone please find that youtube clip of Hillary chortling about killing Kadaffy?


https://youtu.be/Fgcd1ghag5Y
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« Reply #405 on: December 01, 2015, 06:56:52 PM »

Thank you!
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« Reply #406 on: December 08, 2015, 07:32:28 PM »

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-new-benghazi-email-shows-dod-offered-state-department-forces-that-could-move-to-benghazi-immediately-specifics-blacked-out-in-new-document/
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« Reply #407 on: December 09, 2015, 10:12:51 AM »

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/12/08/fox-falsely-claims-defense-dept-email-contradic/207353

What do we make of this response?
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« Reply #408 on: December 11, 2015, 10:36:15 AM »

http://leestranahan.com/keeping-them-honest-watch-cnn-anderson-coopers-benghazi-coverup/
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« Reply #409 on: December 11, 2015, 10:39:11 AM »


Media matters?  rolleyes
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« Reply #410 on: December 11, 2015, 10:41:35 AM »

I know, I know, but in this case does its' response have merit or not?
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« Reply #411 on: December 11, 2015, 10:55:55 AM »

I know, I know, but in this case does its' response have merit or not?


No. Unless you believe that no Obama administration official would lie or engage in a cover up.
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« Reply #412 on: December 11, 2015, 08:03:14 PM »

U.S. Military was Prepared to Immediately Protect U.S. Diplomats in Benghazi, Email Records Show
 
Contrary to what the Obama administration has told the American people, the U.S. military was poised and ready to respond immediately and forcefully against terrorists in Benghazi, Libya.
That's what we have learned from an email exchange from then-Department of Defense Chief of Staff Jeremy Bash to State Department leadership immediately offering "forces that could move to Benghazi" during the terrorist attack on the U.S. Special Mission Compound in Benghazi, Libya, on September 11, 2012. In an email sent to top Department of State officials, at 7:19 p.m. ET, only hours after the attack had begun, Bash says, "we have identified the forces that could move to Benghazi. They are spinning up as we speak." The Obama administration redacted the details of the military forces available, oddly citing a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) exemption that allows the withholding of "deliberative process" information.

Bash's email seems to directly contradict testimony given by then-Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta before the Senate Armed Services Committee in February 2013. Defending the Obama administration's lack of military response to the nearly six-hour-long attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Panetta claimed that "time, distance, the lack of an adequate warning, events that moved very quickly on the ground prevented a more immediate response."

This latest bombshell your Judicial Watch has released to the public has attracted considerable media attention. Here is how the Washington Examiner reported on these revelations:

While parts of the email were redacted, the message indicates the Pentagon was waiting for approval from the State Department to send the forces in. That help never arrived for the Americans under siege at the Benghazi compound. A spokesman for the House Select Committee on Benghazi said investigators had received the unredacted version of the email, which was obtained by Judicial Watch through the Freedom of Information Act and made public Tuesday, last year but had declined to make it public.

Now would be a good time to go back and review the Obama administration's many prevarications on the Benghazi terrorist attacks. (A significant collection of our history-making work on the Benghazi scandal is available here.)

You may recall that the first assault occurred at the main compound at about 9:40 p.m. local time (3:40 p.m. ET in Washington, DC). The second attack on a CIA annex 1.2 miles away began three hours later, at about 12 a.m. local time the following morning (6 p.m. ET), and ended at approximately 5:15 a.m. local time (11:15 a.m. ET) with a mortar attack that killed security officers Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty.

The newly released email reads:

From: Bash, Jeremy CIV SD [REDACTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:19 PM
To: Sullivan, Jacob J; Sherman, Wendy R; Nides, Thomas R
Cc: Miller, James HON OSD POLICY; Wienefeld, James A ADM JSC VCJCS; Kelly, John LtGen SD; martin, dempsey [REDACTED]

Subject: Libya

State colleagues:

I just tried you on the phone but you were all in with S [apparent reference to then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton].

After consulting with General Dempsey, General Ham and the Joint Staff, we have identified the forces that could move to Benghazi. They are spinning up as we speak. They include a [REDACTED].

Assuming Principals agree to deploy these elements, we will ask State to procure the approval from host nation. Please advise how you wish to convey that approval to us [REDACTED].

Jeremy

Jacob Sullivan was Deputy Chief of Staff to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton at the time of the terrorist attack at Benghazi. Wendy Sherman was Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, the fourth-ranking official in the U.S. Department of State. Thomas Nides was the Deputy Secretary of State for Management and Resources.

The timing of the Bash email is particularly significant based upon testimony given to members of Congress by Gregory Hicks, Deputy Chief of Mission of the U.S. embassy in Tripoli at the time of the Benghazi terrorist attack. According to Hicks' 2013 testimony, a show of force by the U.S. military during the siege could have prevented much of the carnage. Said Hicks, "If we had been able to scramble a fighter or aircraft or two over Benghazi as quickly as possible after the attack commenced, I believe there would not have been a mortar attack on the annex in the morning because I believe the Libyans would have split. They would have been scared to death that we would have gotten a laser on them and killed them."

Ultimately, Special Operations forces on their own initiative traveled from Tripoli to Benghazi to provide support during the attack. Other military assets were only used to recover the dead and wounded, and to evacuate U.S. personnel from Libya. In fact, other documents released in October by Judicial Watch show that only one U.S. plane was available to evacuate Americans from Benghazi to Tripoli and that raises questions about whether a delay of military support led to additional deaths in Benghazi.

As per usual, we only obtained this document after going to federal court. The new email came as a result of a Judicial Watch Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit filed on September 4, 2014 seeking:

• Records related to notes, updates, or reports created in response to the September 11, 2012 attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya. This request includes, but is not limited to, notes taken by then Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton or employees of the Office of the Secretary of State during the attack and its immediate aftermath.

The Obama administration and Clinton officials hid this compelling Benghazi email for years. The email makes readily apparent that the military was prepared to launch immediate assistance that could have made a difference, at least at the CIA Annex. The fact that the Obama Administration withheld this email for so long only worsens the scandal of Benghazi.

The Washington Examiner puts it very well:

The newly disclosed email chain casts doubt on previous testimony from high-level officials, several of whom suggested there was never any kind of military unit that could have been in a position to mount a rescue mission during the hours-long attack on Benghazi.

It came out later that day that the House Select Committee on Benghazi had been withholding from the public an unredacted version of the email released by Judicial Watch. Almost immediately upon Judicial Watch's release of the devastating email, a spokesman for the House Select Committee on Benghazi made a snide, sour-grapes announcement to The Daily Caller attempting to defend the Committee's decision to keep the email secret for a year by implicitly criticizing Judicial Watch's supposed "rush to release or comment on every document it uncovers." Bad enough fighting the lawless secrecy of the Obama administration - so it is disappointing to have the unnecessary spitballs from presumed allies for transparency.

The Democrats on the Select Committee thought they helped their cause of defending the indefensible by releasing a complete version of the email. Hardly. The new details show that the military forces that weren't deployed, specifically "a SOF [Special Operations Forces] element that was in Croatia (which can fly to Suda Bay, Crete), and a Marine FAST [Fleet Antiterrorism Security Team] team out of Rota, Spain." The FAST Team arrived well after the attack and the Special Operations Forces never left Croatia. In addition to providing confirming details that forces were ready to go, the Democrats expose the Obama administration's dishonesty in withholding the information in the first place.

All this goes to underscore the value of Judicial Watch's independent watchdog activities and our leadership in forcing truth and accountability over the Benghazi scandal.
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« Reply #413 on: January 04, 2016, 09:48:16 AM »

I read this story this morning thinking it was from the latest email dump, but it was from Dec 8, carried on Fox and right wing news sites, but no mention otherwise on msm.  What is the followup to this story?  Were these assets deployed but didn't reach Benghazi on time?  Left wing Media Matters has a response calling the story bunk, they were sent but didn't arrive in time. (?)

EMAIL shows Pentagon ASKED Hillary to LET THEM send help to Benghazi
http://therightscoop.com/new-email-shows-pentagon-asked-hillary-to-let-them-send-help-to-benghazi-proving-leon-panetta-lied/#ixzz3wI2WMjEh

“I just tried you on the phone but you were all in with S [apparent reference to then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton],” reads the email, from Panetta’s chief of staff Jeremy Bash. “After consulting with General Dempsey, General Ham and the Joint Staff, we have identified the forces that could move to Benghazi. They are spinning up as we speak.”

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/12/08/fox-falsely-claims-defense-dept-email-contradic/207353

Oddly, we still don't to my knowledge have an after the fact accounting from the Pres and Sec of their time during the crisis, where were they, who were they meeting with, communicating with, what advice were they receiving, what choices were available, what decisions did they make?

How did we NOT have resources available to cover a diplomatic mission in a war zone where we are the enemy?
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« Reply #414 on: January 05, 2016, 04:15:55 PM »

The interview itself begins at 05:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8V5p4sL2K0

Watch this one people.
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« Reply #415 on: January 05, 2016, 05:22:27 PM »

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/51346
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« Reply #416 on: January 05, 2016, 07:35:00 PM »

The interview itself begins at 05:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8V5p4sL2K0

"Watch this one people."

Yes, everyone who cares abouit  what happened there needs to watch this interview - and then see the movie.

Among other things, Who do you believe now about the stand down order?

Who do believe about what military assets would have been helpful?

Could you have saved a life if you could have assisted sooner?  Yes.
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« Reply #417 on: January 05, 2016, 07:41:03 PM »

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I believe parts of it and less so on other parts.  It certainly comes closer to explaining
what was happening there than the official story we have been told, or mostly not told.



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« Reply #418 on: January 05, 2016, 10:56:10 PM »

Given how close it came on the heels of the events, some of it looks rather prescient.
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« Reply #419 on: January 06, 2016, 09:20:18 AM »

Given how close it came on the heels of the events, some of it looks rather prescient.

Agreed.  Perhaps they didn't want a heavy security presence visible before the attack to draw attention to the operation.  Once it was under attack and on fire... I guess that same reason could still apply for deniability of the operation which no doubt still applies. 

The author says it was a CIA location.  And it was a villa not a consulate.  I understand the point he is making.  But at the time of the attack it was housing the US Ambassador's mission in that country.  The definition of a consulate a place or building in which a consul's duties are carried out. 

One question keeps coming back to security.  This administration wanted th light footprint approach.  See how much we can get away with keeping the operation hidden.  I guess we found out the hard way.

The other question is mission.  It seems like a responsible and necessary mission to round up US arms and get them shipped out, except for a) this war from a US point of view was an undeclared war by congress, so maybe there were more US arms involved than we know, and b) the author's view is that the destinations of the US arms going out were perhaps also US law, stated policy or our best interests.

What is most remarkable is that we still don't know any more answers to all these question.  Like with the interview relating to "13 hours", these are real people who were there telling their story.  The author of this story appears to have a real source as well, a government insider intimately familiar with the events that took place in Benghazi.  I would just question that he or anyone knew the whole scope of both ends of the operation. 
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« Reply #420 on: January 10, 2016, 01:06:40 PM »

http://www.weeklystandard.com/stranger-than-fiction-hollywood-gets-benghazi-right/article/2000445#.Vo8nLal2Upc.facebook
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« Reply #421 on: January 13, 2016, 02:10:55 AM »



https://www.funker530.com/email-bombshell-benghazi-response-teams-deliberately-stopped-by-whitehouse/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7iraOwGPCQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJF4xmArkRI


Email Bombshell: Benghazi Response Teams Deliberately Stopped By Whitehouse

first published on January 12, 2016 by Will
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For years, the Obama Administration has stood behind two excuses (given under oath) for not sending a quick reaction force to assist in rescuing American citizens during the Sept. 11, 2012 al Qaeda-linked attacks on the U.S. consulate and CIA annex in Benghazi, Libya, which resulted in the deaths of four Americans. The first excuse being: There were no forces available that could have responded quickly. The second reason was: Even if they had scrambled more people, they couldn’t have gotten there in time to make a difference.

Now, an email, hidden for three years, has come to light and refutes the Obama Administration’s narrative as to why our boys at Benghazi weren’t given the reinforcements that may have saved their lives.

 

Former Defense Department Chief of Staff, Jeremy Bash, sent an email to the State Department early into the attacks that clearly states that we had multiple quick reaction forces ready to action on the objective, which adds further significant proof that the rescue forces were deliberately stopped by the White House.

Bash’s email, sent to top State Department officials just three hours into the eight hour ordeal said, “…we have identified the forces we could move to Benghazi. They are spinning up as we speak. They include a SOF (Special Operations Forces) element that was in Croatia, and a Marine FAST unit out of Roda, Spain.” Meaning, there were at least two elite units that were at REDCON-1 (all personnel geared up, seated on the aircraft, weapons ready, with the engines started). They just needed clearance from the Commander in Chief to enter Libya. That clearance never came.

The White House declined to comment on the recently surfaced email that opposes their long-standing narrative that no assets were available or ready, and that they had done everything possible for the Americans on the ground, under attack, in Benghazi.

 

According to the report, the Obama Administration never even sought approval from Libya to send in the reinforcements. That approval, according to the CIA and military experts interviewed, would have been given by the host nation without delay.

The SOF element wasn’t the only available rescue unit interrupted from deploying. Foreign Emergency Response Team Leader Mark Thompson testified that his squad was told to stand down. A separate military team operating in nearby Tripoli, Libya, was ordered not to board a plane for Benghazi as well. Additionally, the CIA annex’s Global Response Staff (GRS), who were roughly a mile from the besieged consulate were heavily delayed for no apparent reason by their leadership. They only got the green light from higher after it was apparent that they were going to go anyway, with or without approval.

The brave and selfless actions of these CIA contractors saved many lives, and their story is now being brought to the big screen in Michael Bay’s 13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers Of Benghazi. Two of the contractors, Tyrone S. Woods and Glen Doherty, both ex Navy SEALs, were killed in the fighting.

To add to the perplexing circumstances surrounding the event, the American embassy in Cairo, Egypt had been overrun by Islamist sympathizers just five hours prior to the initial attack in Benghazi. There should have been multiple teams of U.S. quick reaction forces standing by across Europe and Africa… teams whose sole mission is to respond to these types of events.

We need to stop treating the Benghazi event as a political, polarizing issue. This has nothing to do with democrats versus republicans, but has everything to do with taking care of our own. Whether it was deliberate, or through incompetent negligence, American heroes were thrown to the wolves and written off, and then repeatedly lied about under oath by this administration, and those responsible need to be held accountable.
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« Reply #422 on: January 18, 2016, 07:30:40 PM »

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2013/09/19/adm-mullen-denies-stand-down-order-given-admits-special-ops-told-to-hold-in-place/
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« Reply #423 on: January 18, 2016, 07:35:37 PM »

https://www.facebook.com/IStillDontLikeObama/videos/970784472982863/
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« Reply #424 on: January 18, 2016, 10:30:13 PM »

http://counterjihadreport.com/2016/01/17/report-u-s-rescue-team-was-on-its-way-to-benghazi-but-was-turned-back/

I saw 13 Hours today btw.  A MUST SEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #425 on: January 19, 2016, 11:56:36 PM »

https://www.facebook.com/theblaze/videos/1046692102034796/
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« Reply #426 on: January 20, 2016, 10:25:08 PM »

Just saw it. A must see movie. I will probably go back at least one more time.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MBjAN7jqsQ

I can imagine this is causing some unhappiness in Team Hill.
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« Reply #427 on: January 23, 2016, 01:30:59 AM »


http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/01/reliving-3-hours.php
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« Reply #428 on: January 23, 2016, 01:05:14 PM »


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