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« Reply #50 on: January 04, 2016, 02:46:24 PM »

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2660399-Statement-USattorney.html
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« Reply #51 on: January 04, 2016, 04:12:55 PM »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2211350/Attorney-General-Eric-Holder-armed-took-protest-Columbia-occupied-school-office-FIVE-days.

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« Reply #52 on: January 05, 2016, 08:53:30 AM »

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/04/unbelievable-update-oregon-bundy-militia-standoff-the-federal-prosecutor-at-the-heart-of-the-hammond-family-problem/
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« Reply #53 on: January 05, 2016, 08:54:51 AM »

(Famous people who don't need to read the forum)

Stephen Hayward at Powerline had the same first reaction to the Oregon standoff that I have,

The Federal Government owns too much land.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/01/thoughts-on-oregon.php
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« Reply #54 on: January 05, 2016, 09:04:40 AM »

https://fee.org/anythingpeaceful/no-heroes-in-the-west-fire-feds-and-freeloaders/
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« Reply #55 on: January 06, 2016, 01:50:13 PM »

The Western Land Revolt
The Bundy siege is wrong, but so is government abuse.
Ammon Bundy on January 5 near Burns, Oregon. ENLARGE
Ammon Bundy on January 5 near Burns, Oregon. Photo: Justin Sullivan/Getty Images
Jan. 5, 2016 7:36 p.m. ET
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As the FBI seeks to end the citizen takeover of Oregon’s Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, it’s worth reflecting on what is behind the rising civil disobedience in the American West. The armed occupation of federal buildings is inexcusable, but so are federal land-management abuses and prosecutorial overreach.

Activists on Saturday broke into an unoccupied building on the 187,000-acre federal refuge in eastern Oregon to protest the imprisonment of two Oregon ranchers. The group’s spokesman is Ammon Bundy, son of Cliven Bundy, a Nevadan who in 2014 came to national attention over his standoff with the Bureau of Land Management. The younger Bundy is a political grandstander, and many in Oregon oppose his illegal siege.

The drama is bringing attention to legitimate grievances, especially the appalling federal treatment of the Hammond family. The Hammonds’ problems trace to 1908, when Theodore Roosevelt set aside 89,000 acres around Malheur Lake as a bird refuge. The government has since been on a voracious land-and-water grab, coercing the area’s once-thriving ranchers to sell.

The feds have revoked dozens of grazing permits and raised the price of the few it issues. It has mismanaged the area’s water, allowing ranchlands to flood. It has harassed landowners with regulatory actions that raise the cost of ranching, then has bought out private landowners to more than double the refuge’s size.

The Hammonds are one of the last private owners in the Harney Basin, and they have endured federal harassment over their water rights, the revocation of their grazing permits, restricted access to their property, and prosecutorial abuse.

In 2001 the family told authorities it planned to set a managed fire on its land to fight invasive species. The fire accidently spread over 139 acres of public land before the Hammonds extinguished it. In 2006 the family tried to save its winter feed from a lightning fire by setting “back fires” on its property (a common practice), which burnt an acre of public land.

Years later, in 2011, the feds charged Dwight Hammond and his son Steven with nine counts under the elastic Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act. A federal jury found them guilty only of setting the two fires they had admitted to starting, and federal Judge Michael Hogan sentenced the father to three months and the son to a year in prison. He said the federal minimum of five years would not meet “any idea I have of justice, proportionality” and would “shock the conscience.” The feds appealed the sentence and another judge ordered both Hammonds to serve the full five years. They also owe $400,000 in supposed fire-related costs.

Many in rural Oregon view this as a government vendetta. Rusty Inglis, who worked for the Forest Service for 34 years and now runs a local Oregon farm bureau, recently told a trade magazine that it’s “obvious” that “the BLM and the wildlife refuge want that ranch.” The Oregon Farm Bureau called the sentences “gross government overreach.” The ideology of “national” land has become the club to punish private landowners who are the best source of economic stability and conservation.

The Bundy occupation of federal land can’t be tolerated, but the growing Western opposition to government harassment of private landowners ought to be a source of political concern. Ted Cruz and others are right to caution the occupiers against their sit-in, but the federal bureaucracy also needs to be reined in.
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« Reply #56 on: January 08, 2016, 02:00:17 PM »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/01/08/im-an-oregon-rancher-heres-what-you-dont-understand-about-the-bundy-standoff/
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« Reply #57 on: January 09, 2016, 10:36:09 PM »

http://seekingredress.com/2016/01/08/what-the-stand-off-in-oregon-is-distracting-us-from/
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« Reply #58 on: January 10, 2016, 11:55:03 PM »

http://www.occupydemocrats.com/all-hell-breaks-loose-in-oregon-as-bundy-militia-is-confronted-by-another-armed-patriot-militia/
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« Reply #59 on: January 12, 2016, 07:12:35 PM »

http://gawker.com/angry-militia-leader-stop-mailing-us-dildos-1752580458
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« Reply #60 on: January 14, 2016, 03:32:03 PM »

Reliability of this site unknown:
http://www.punkrocklibertarians.com/breaking-oregon-fire-chief-catches-fbi-posing-militia-quits-job-protest/
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« Reply #61 on: January 25, 2016, 11:16:32 AM »

The perspective from which this is written speaks for itself.

https://georgepatton325.wordpress.com/2016/01/21/oregon-lessons-learned-or-lessons-you-better-learn/

When fellow travelers like this are telling the Oregon intervenors they are wrong in these terms,  , , ,
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« Reply #62 on: January 27, 2016, 01:11:43 PM »

http://www.wsj.com/articles/officials-tighten-security-around-oregon-refuge-in-move-to-end-standoff-1453916652
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« Reply #63 on: January 27, 2016, 05:29:41 PM »

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/berserk-militant-promises-bloodbath-as-feds-move-in-this-is-a-free-for-all-armageddon/
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« Reply #64 on: January 27, 2016, 08:25:30 PM »

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Leader Seeks End to Oregon Refuge Occupation
After arrest, Bundy says remaining protesters should leave wildlife refuge
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By Tamara Audi,
Jim Carlton and
Alejandro Lazo
Updated Jan. 27, 2016 6:59 p.m. ET
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BURNS, Ore.—The leader of a four-week armed takeover of a federal wildlife refuge here on Wednesday called for the remaining protesters to end the occupation, a day after he was arrested in a deadly confrontation with authorities.

“To those remaining at the refuge: I love you. Let us take the fight from here,” Ammon Bundy said in a statement released by his lawyer.

“Please stand down. Please stand down. Go home and hug your families. This fight is ours in the courts. Please go home,” the lawyer, Mike Arnold, read in the statement from Mr. Bundy after his court hearing Wednesday.

Mr. Bundy also asked law-enforcement officials to allow the protesters to leave without being prosecuted.



“Let me be clear—it is the actions and choices of the armed occupiers of the refuge that has led us to where we are today,” said Greg Bretzing, special agent in charge of the Federal Bureau of Investigation office in Oregon.

Since the armed group took over the refuge Jan. 2 to protest federal land-management policies, they have insisted they want a peaceful outcome. But some said they were willing to die for their cause.

LaVoy Finicum, who served as the occupiers’ spokesman, indicated in a video interview a week ago that he hoped the protest wouldn’t turn violent. On Tuesday, Mr. Finicum was killed in the roadside confrontation with FBI agents.

The circumstances of Mr. Finicum’s death were being debated Wednesday: Supporters and a witness said he was surrendering when he was shot; authorities said he brandished a weapon.
Eight people linked to the Oregon occupation were arrested Tuesday: top row from left, Ammon Bundy, Ryan Bundy, Brian Cavalier and Shawna Cox; bottom row from left, Joseph Donald O'Shaughnessy, Ryan Payne, Jon Eric Ritzheimer and Peter Santilli. ENLARGE
Eight people linked to the Oregon occupation were arrested Tuesday: top row from left, Ammon Bundy, Ryan Bundy, Brian Cavalier and Shawna Cox; bottom row from left, Joseph Donald O'Shaughnessy, Ryan Payne, Jon Eric Ritzheimer and Peter Santilli. Photo: Multnomah County Sheriff

Either way, it was clear that his death changed the tone of the occupation from what had become a media sideshow to the tense standoff locals had long feared—raising the stakes both for law enforcement and the remaining protesters.

“Certainly we’re at a dangerous point,” said Mike German, a former FBI agent who worked undercover infiltrating militia and white supremacist groups in the 1990s.

Federal law-enforcement officials have been under rising pressure from state and local officials to end the standoff. The protesters, meanwhile, received a torrent of social media response from supporters who consider themselves part of a “liberty movement” seeking to resist what they see as an overreach of federal power. Some pointed to Mr. Finicum’s death as proof of their argument, a rallying cry to draw protesters to the scene.

“The resolve for principled liberty must go on,” Mr. Bundy’s supporters said in a statement on the Bundy Ranch Facebook page. “It appears that America was fired upon by our government. One of America’s finest patriots is fallen. We will not go silent into eternity. Our appeal is to heaven.”

In Burns, a town of about 2,700 people, some residents predicted the standoff was nearing its end. Sitting in the Central Pastime Tavern, Melvin Dixon said that he had his 8-year-old son, Dilbert James, call one of the men involved in the standoff, his brother-in-law Danny Williams.

“My 8-year-old son called his uncle crying and they are right there in a meeting” discussing whether to surrender or not, Mr. Dixon said. “They are not going to fight no more.”

For weeks, Mr. Bundy—the son of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, who engaged in a similar standoff with authorities in 2014 over grazing fees—moved in and out of the refuge as he wished, with law-enforcement officials making few overt moves to force an end to the standoff.

That changed Tuesday when agents arrested Mr. Bundy, 40 years old, his brother, Ryan Bundy, 43, and three other supporters as they were driving to a nearby county for a community meeting. Three others were later arrested in connection with the protest.

The eight suspects were arrested on the felony charge of conspiracy to impede officers of the U.S. from discharging their official duties through the use of force, intimidation or threats.

According to the criminal complaint against Mr. Bundy and the others, the protesters “had explosives, night vision goggles and weapons” and “if they didn’t get the fight they wanted out there they would bring the fight to town.”

Nathan Catura, president of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association, applauded the arrests—but criticized federal officials for not making them so sooner. “Had the situation been resolved more quickly via the federal government acting rather than reacting, this conclusion may have been prevented,’’ Mr. Catura said. “We now hope that with the sustained federal-law enforcement presence, the remaining criminals at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge will surrender peacefully.’’

Federal authorities generally have been reluctant to engage with armed protesters like the Oregon group, mindful of past violent outcomes like those at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, in 1992 and Waco, Texas, in 1993.

Darrell Kerby, a former mayor of Bonners Ferry, Idaho, who served on a county emergency committee during the Ruby Ridge standoff, said he worried that political pressure might compel authorities to act rashly. “Time is really on the side of the people in authority,” Mr. Kerby said. “Use of force should be avoided at all costs.” Once there is a death in such fraught situations tension “just escalates off the scale,” he said.

Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward on Wednesday said authorities had to arrest Mr. Bundy and the protest’s leaders to help put an end to what he called the disruption of life in the rural area.

Mr. Bundy and his supporters had made numerous trips into Burns, openly carrying guns including at a community meeting in a high school.

“This has been tearing our community apart,” said a visibly distraught Mr. Ward. “It’s time for everyone in this illegal occupation to move on.”

—Devlin Barrett contributed to this article.
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« Reply #65 on: January 28, 2016, 10:40:35 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAGxDWKrjPQ
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« Reply #66 on: February 05, 2016, 04:41:15 AM »

Things to consider when mulling domestic insurgency.

https://readfomag.com/2014/12/implications-in-a-domestic-insurgency/
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« Reply #67 on: February 05, 2016, 07:47:22 AM »

http://weaponsman.com/?p=29146

Explained well.
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« Reply #68 on: July 19, 2016, 10:11:46 AM »

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/inside-the-moorish-sovereign-citizen-movement-that-motivated-the-baton-rouge-cop-killer/

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438039/gavin-long-his-roots-his-racial-ideology-grievance?utm_source=jolt&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Jolt07192016&utm_term=Jolt

http://pamelageller.com/2016/07/baton-rouge-cop-killer-gavin-eugene-long-was-nation-of-islam-member.html/

http://pamelageller.com/2016/07/baton-rouge-cop-killer-was-muslim-convert.html/

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« Reply #69 on: July 20, 2016, 01:37:53 PM »

A TIME OF WAR

This is an angry article but it accurately reflects my mood today.  Listen carefully and let these words burn into your mind because if the events of the last few weeks do not set your blood afire, I question your validity as a human being. 

The videos of the aftermath of this were so horrific that they are being removed from Youtube and Facebook.

I am including a link to it here.  Make note that it is horrific, but also illustrative of not only the abject incompetence of the western leaders (its either incompetence or complicity), but also the nature of the heart of our enemy.

AFTERMATH OF NICE ATTACK VIDEO

We Live In A Time Of War!

Donald Trump actually said that today on FOX News.  Last night in Nice, France, a 31 year old Islamic Terrorist named Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel, drove a large truck at high speed into a crowd celebrating Bastille Day killing nearly 80 people by running them down and crushing them. It's just a matter of time before that very tactic is used here in the USA.

I plan to write soon on likely strategies and likely targets of our enemies but today I want to talk about how you live in a time of war versus a time of peace.  And you can protest all you wish that you don't want to live like that and that if you change your habits the terrorists win. 

Sure, but if they crush you and your family with a truck during a Bastille Day celebration, or capture you and cut your balls off in front of your family like they did at the Bataclan Theater, they also win don't they.  So how about we set aside that passive aggressive hippy attitude and wake up to reality.
In a time of Peace you can come and go as you please.  You can congregate in the street to watch fireworks and listen to music.  You can go to the theater in peace.  You don't have to worry about anything really.  Maybe the petty criminal is still a concern, but he can be easily avoided with some good common sense.  In a time of Peace you can celebrate parades, you can go into a theater or a musical performance, listen to fiery speeches on any topic, and visit any place you wish and feel relative safety.

In a time of peace Islamic Terrorists don't kill their co-workers at Christmas parties, or Nightclubs...or military bases.  In times of peace Islamic Terrorists do not target white police officers for assassination.  In times of peace you don't have Islamic Terrorists driving a truck into a crowd, or blowing themselves up in a last gasp of death to the infidels.

But we do not live in a time of peace...not any longer.  We live in a time of war and we have to make adjustments to the way we live.   In a time of war you have to be thoughtful about where you go.  You have to analyze whether it is a hard target or a soft target...and you have to understand the difference.  You have to avoid large congregations of people either in the open or in enclosed spaces. You have to sit with your back to the wall in the event one of your adversaries walk through the door to kill you and everyone else in the room.  You have to profile everyone.   In a time of Peace you can overlook someone's appearance, ethnic background, attire, and actions.  But we don't live in a time of peace any longer, we live in a time of war and so you have to take note of these things. And you have to look at how they're positioning themselves in relation to everyone else.

In a time of war you cannot afford to relax.  You must be ever vigilant specifically of those groups that are most likely to bring the war to you.  If that sounds unfair to you, if that sounds like you're being discriminatory, if it sounds like you're not following the American way where everyone is seen as the same, then that is exactly what you're doing.  Ask the dead in San Bernardino, and Orlando, and Brussels, and Istanbul, and Nice, how they feel about profiling and non-egalitarian thinking.

Oh wait, we can't.  They were killed by those the west wants to be fair towards.  We only have one group on Earth that believes that that terrorism is
acceptable and so you must be watchful of that group less you fall victim to their strategies.

But vigilance alone is a sad an empty action without the ability to act upon that which vigilance reveals.  In a time of Peace you can leave the house with empty pockets, a smile on your face, a spring in your step and a song in your heart.  But we do not live in such times.  Today even if it is a violation of the law, a wise man will go armed.

It was once said as a caveat before the carry of a weapon was suggested.  "If you can legally get a permit - if you can legally do so - you should get a permit and carry a weapon".  Today in the time of war that we live in I will say that you must carry a weapon regardless of legal standing.  It has been shown time and again that the First Responders will rarely prevent an event like this.   Let this one also burn into your mind for the reality that it is.

You Are On Your Own!

Although I have every respect for the French LE (I've trained with some of them as a matter of fact), 80 some people died at the hands of the terrorist before they were on scene.  In Orlando there were 50 people that died before police intervention.

You are on your own - leave the house prepared to do battle - every single day! Leave the house prepared to treat any injuries you may incur  - every single day!
These are the concessions that you must make in the time of war that we live today.  François Hollande's defeated statement today said that France must get accustomed to living with terrorism.  And before anyone castigate the French, one cannot judge France by Hollande any more than one can judge America by Obama, but I can easily picture Obama, or Hillary saying the very same thing in a few months.

I think America is already quite accustomed to the fact of terrorism on American soil.  And all the rhetoric of taking the war to ISIS ignores the fact that the terrorists in France were French citizens and that the terrorists in the USA were American citizens.

We live in a time of war and we must take the necessary steps as individuals to win that war.
      
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« Reply #70 on: August 26, 2016, 08:01:00 PM »

https://adaptivecurmudgeon.wordpress.com/2016/08/16/thoughs-on-z-blogs-on-being-revolting-in-the-modern-age/
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« Reply #71 on: September 10, 2016, 08:24:39 PM »

http://www.wsj.com/articles/oregon-armed-occupation-trial-set-to-start-1473499800
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