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« Reply #1050 on: April 21, 2016, 12:56:40 PM »

Canada Prime Minister Justin Trudeau plans to welcome at least 100,000 Syrian Muslims, refugees, into his country. This is in addition to the 25,000 he has already admitted.

13% 'support' ISIS, 33% 'sypathize' with ISIS.
http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/13-percent-syrian-refugees-support-isis-poll
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/shock-poll-third-of-syrian-refugees-isis-sympathizers-13-percent-support/

Mr. Trump, it looks like we may need a couple more walls.

The Canada–United States border is the longest international border in the world, 5500 miles, 4000 across the lower 48 + 1500 going up Alaska.  I wonder if Canada will pay for it...

I have never driven or flown into Canada but have been over the border many times on foot, boat and snowmobile.

As an aside, Crafty, may I recommend you take your son or family on a trip into the Boundary Waters before the border is closed.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_Waters_Canoe_Area_Wilderness
That portion of the wall will be most difficult to build, a million acres non-motorized, bringing in workers and cement blocks by paddle and portage.  (3 million acres of lakes and forests counting the Canadian side, Quetico Park.)
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« Reply #1051 on: April 21, 2016, 05:02:39 PM »

 shocked

Please post in the Homeland Security thread as well.
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« Reply #1052 on: April 25, 2016, 01:12:02 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzTgqksQT0Y#t=29
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« Reply #1053 on: May 12, 2016, 01:33:20 PM »

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/cuba/article75164957.html
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« Reply #1054 on: May 16, 2016, 12:43:01 PM »

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435274/immigration-elites-support-illegal-immigration-working-class-suffers?BpQgygT4QMu6uybp.01
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« Reply #1055 on: May 16, 2016, 01:36:49 PM »


No one except criminals should support illegal immigration.
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« Reply #1056 on: May 18, 2016, 01:15:15 AM »

http://www.myafricanow.com/african-immigrants-lead-with-the-highest-academic-achievements-in-the-us/
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« Reply #1057 on: May 18, 2016, 07:46:11 AM »


Won't be picked up by the MSM.
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« Reply #1058 on: May 18, 2016, 09:37:14 AM »

I've heard some minorities making a distinction between African Blacks and American Blacks.

In the medical field probably half of new doctors are either foreign born or children of foreign born.

Many are women.  It seems to me in NJ that at half are women.

I guess the evil white male racist society is not out to get them and "keep them down".

I don't recall seeing insurance reimbursement rates and corporate salary rates specify lower pay for females.

Of course as a white male I just can't see it.
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« Reply #1059 on: May 18, 2016, 10:08:38 AM »

Many years ago economist Walter Williams noted that blacks immigrated from the Caribbean or of Caribbean descent (e.g. Colin Powell)  scored equal with whites.
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« Reply #1060 on: May 20, 2016, 11:31:15 AM »

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/05/19/airlines-now-offering-free-reduced-airfare-cuban-migrants-texas/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
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« Reply #1061 on: June 01, 2016, 03:38:33 PM »

We cannot continue to let the Left change the language from accurate to disingenuous descriptions that serve their agenda.   What part of the description "ILLEGAL" is not understood?:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-telemundo-president-shuts-down-221600617.html
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« Reply #1062 on: June 01, 2016, 03:47:41 PM »

We cannot continue to let the Left change the language from accurate to disingenuous descriptions that serve their agenda.   What part of the description "ILLEGAL" is not understood?:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-telemundo-president-shuts-down-221600617.html

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/immigration-terms-and-definitions-involving-aliens

Illegal Alien

Also known as an "Undocumented Alien," is an alien who has entered the United States illegally and is deportable if apprehended, or an alien who entered the United States legally but who has fallen "out of status" and is deportable.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325


8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

Current through Pub. L. 114-38. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)

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(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

(b) Improper time or place; civil penaltiesAny alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.
(c) Marriage fraud
Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both.

(d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud
Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance with title 18, or both.

(June 27, 1952, ch. 477, title II, ch. 8, § 275, 66 Stat. 229; Pub. L. 99–639, § 2(d), Nov. 10, 1986, 100 Stat. 3542; Pub. L. 101–649, title I, § 121(b)(3), title V, § 543(b)(2), Nov. 29, 1990, 104 Stat. 4994, 5059; Pub. L. 102–232, title III, § 306(c)(3), Dec. 12, 1991, 105 Stat. 1752; Pub. L. 104–208, div. C, title I, § 105(a), Sept. 30, 1996, 110 Stat. 3009–556.)
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« Reply #1063 on: June 04, 2016, 07:37:33 AM »

Mitch McC on immigration on a talk show yesterday again cannot say what needs to be said.  He is so worried about insulting the largest and fastest growing voting block - latinos.

Why the heck can he not say look this is not about Latins, or Mexicans.  No one has any problem with them .  It is about the millions of people of all faiths, ethnicities, cultures who are either coming into this country illegally or coming here with visas legally but then overstaying their visas illegally.  Some are from Europe, Asia , Australia, South America, Central America, Africa.  It doesn't matter.  What does matter is we as American citizens have laws and have a solid right to enforce those laws.

Simple.

no one hates mexicans etc.  We do have a right to resent anyone from other countries who come here and break our laws. Period.  And we will enforce them.  Periods

Why can no one ever say this?  Stop making it about Mexicans.  It is about ILLEGALS.  Yes they are undocumented but they are undocumented because they are here illegally period.

And we should not budge on that issue and we are going to enforce out laws and these people will have to leave and get on line.
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« Reply #1064 on: June 04, 2016, 08:16:14 PM »

It does not help when Trump makes an ass of himself and farts all over those of us intending to vote for him with stupid, stupid comments like he made about the judge in his Trump U. case.
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« Reply #1065 on: June 05, 2016, 05:37:54 AM »

"It does not help when Trump makes an ass of himself and farts all over those of us intending to vote for him with stupid, stupid comments like he made about the judge in his Trump U. case."

Agreed. 

As for the judge, if there is a conflict of interests due his affiliations then let his lawyers bring it up in a way that will not insult Mexicans and is in accordance with the justice system.

OTOH I don't know if there is a tactful legally acceptable way to do that.  I suppose if his decisions or actions taken seem to not be impartial or objective to the law then a case can be made?
What say attorney on the board?

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« Reply #1066 on: June 05, 2016, 12:38:45 PM »

I say Trump should let his lawyer do the talking on this.
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« Reply #1067 on: June 09, 2016, 11:47:21 AM »

Why couldn't you do this in Mexico?

Why can't you get a legal student visa?

Why am I supposed to conclude good grades makes it all good?:

What is it about 'illegal' you as a valedictorian you cannot understand?

"what about a poor American who gets good grades whose spot you now have?"

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/06/09/illegal-alien-high-school-valedictorian-texas-blames-u-s-takes-swipe-trump/
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« Reply #1068 on: June 17, 2016, 09:39:28 PM »

https://www.facebook.com/TheKellyFile/videos/1813461242202066/


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« Reply #1069 on: June 17, 2016, 10:17:18 PM »


Hey, only 10% will wage violent jihad.
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« Reply #1070 on: June 18, 2016, 01:06:58 PM »

https://www.facebook.com/WesternJournalism/videos/10154442393108984/?pnref=story
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« Reply #1071 on: June 20, 2016, 09:03:02 AM »

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/19/us/politics/donald-trump-immigration.html?emc=edit_th_20160619&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=49641193&_r=0
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« Reply #1072 on: June 22, 2016, 07:31:08 AM »

@ the expense of Americans.  What does she care?  It is all about her.  No matter what:

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/22/clintonsimmigrationpolicyundermineseconomicnarrative/
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« Reply #1073 on: June 23, 2016, 09:44:11 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/embed/6PzT8vEvYPg
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« Reply #1074 on: July 09, 2016, 12:58:11 PM »

Was talking with Cynthia this morning. A member of the government here is actively campaigning, for immigrants in the States, to not support Trump. It's a fact. It's happening. Cynthia had included that fact in a news story that she just wrote and the owner took it out, for a few reasons. One reason is to be respectful of American politics, but the other reason might be to avoid American press from getting their hands on that. They would have a field day with it.


I have mixed feelings about it. I would die for the Mexican flag and people. That cannot be argued. I proven it far too many times. Having said that, I also have no political voice here, nor should I. I should accept Mexico as it is, or I should leave, because the people that were born here have a right to live as they wish excluding outside interference.


It is true that Mexico is attempting to campaign against Trump, which is blatantly hypocritical, because they don't allow it here, and they are involving themselves in foreign politics. The reason I have mixed feelings is because the money that people send back here matters. It matters because the poverty here would be even greater than it is currently, and having come to know Mexicans (not Latinos, but the people here), individually one cannot help but care for them. They have given me so much; love, opportunities that even my own government would not give to me.... the truly are a magnificent people as a whole.


The difficulty lies in the fact that I am a hypocrite, because I truly believe in national sovereignity, as does Mexico, and does the US, and many other individuals, and still, if I had to help someone better their life, maybe bending the rules, even though I myself follow them in the case of Cynthia and I, I would. How can one not help someone that legitimately is attempting to do nothing other than feed themselves? At the same time, how can one help everyone that needs help, without risking that which their own family needs to survive? Additionally, Mexicans have a right to their own land, as do Whites, and while it is obvious that Blacks and Latinos also inhabit the US, racism, "institutional racism" specifically, is always levied at Whites in particular, which is wholly unfair, if not just completely ignorant.


Many of us have grown up together in mixed communities. Texas is a great example of that, where Whites, Latinos, and Blacks have existed together for centuries, and while Latinos and Whites get along for the most part, the stain of slavery remains an excuse to many, as does the vitriol hatred that exists because of it.


Where do we go from here? No one woke up this morning and paid someone else's household bills, there are people of every color that make far more than anyone reading this ever will, and we sit here and fight amongst ourselves... to what end? How do we all fix this? How do any of us cease being a hypocrite, especially when we want to do the humanitarian thing, but also safeguard our own welfare as well? There really isn't very much racism. It's more often than not, people (of all colors) either being greedy, or people of all colors having the need to eat, and wanting to protect the security of their own family and themselves. That's what it is. How do we fix it?
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« Reply #1075 on: July 09, 2016, 01:02:53 PM »

Enforce the rule of law, which most certainly includes defending our borders and deporting those who are here illegally.  With this in place, it will be time to amend the rules.  America is an unusually kind, forgiving, and generous country.
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« Reply #1076 on: July 09, 2016, 01:16:53 PM »

Enforce the rule of law, which most certainly includes defending our borders and deporting those who are here illegally.  With this in place, it will be time to amend the rules.  America is an unusually kind, forgiving, and generous country.


I agree 100%.

I do think (especially in the age of Facebook), that individuals and that sovereign entities involving themselves in the sovereign politics of another nation, especially when they don't allow it themselves should be addressed though. That's out of bounds.
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« Reply #1077 on: July 11, 2016, 12:35:31 PM »

out of both sides of her mouth as usual:

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/07/11/hillary-were-not-holding-people-accountable-for-hiring-illegal-immigrants-which-creates-unlevel-playing-field/
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« Reply #1078 on: August 04, 2016, 06:28:29 PM »

 cry  Because they congress won't:

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/08/states-cannot-sue-obama-on-immigration-policy-but-guess-who-can
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« Reply #1079 on: August 13, 2016, 12:19:35 AM »

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2016/08/12/the-doj-is-funneling-tons-of-money-to-sanctuary-cities-n2203847
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« Reply #1080 on: August 13, 2016, 04:17:23 PM »

I've been going over the Mexican Constitution for some things concerning myself and my work here (the Mexican Constitution is rather sizeable).

Being that the bulk of illegal aliens in the United States of America are from Mexico, and "gringos" are often referred to as racists for attempting to enforce immigration law, it is pertinent.

Some key points:

Article 2 - specifically recognizes the rights of "indigenous peoples," but given that people with Spanish blood wrote the Constitution, proclaims Mexico as a "multicultural nation" and gives the people with Spanish blood and surnames, dominion in the same land that they took from the indigenous people.

Article 8- "Public functionaries and employees will respect the public exercise to their right to petition, as long as it is formulated in writing, in a peaceful and respectful manner. In political petitioning, only citizens of the republic have this right."

Article 9 - "Only citizens of the Republic may take part in the political affairs of the country."

Article 32 - "Mexicans shall have priority over foreigners under equality of circumstances for all classes of concessions and for all employment, positions, or commissions of the Government in which the status of citizenship is not indispensable."

Article 33 - "The Federal Executive shall have the exclusive power to compel any foreigner whose remaining he may deem inexpedient to abandon the national territory immediately and without the necessity of previous legal action." It also states: "Foreigners may not in any way participate in the political affairs of the country.

This is the Constitution for non Spanish speakers as translated by the most respected university in Mexico . UNAM

http://www.juridicas.unam.mx/infjur/leg/constmex/pdf/consting.pdf

It brings to light the blatant hypocrisy and effectively shuts off any argument that anyone from Mexico or any other Latin American country might use in order to attempt to justify illegal immigration.
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« Reply #1081 on: August 13, 2016, 06:43:14 PM »

Nice to have this for future reference.  Thank you.
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« Reply #1082 on: August 17, 2016, 07:28:07 PM »

We already vet.  We don't treat them all equally.  We discriminate.  Why not gear the process to this time of security crisis?

https://gborjas.org/2016/08/16/on-vetting-immigrants/

The 1917 Immigration Act, which listed the many traits that would make potential immigrants inadmissible, including:

All idiots, imbeciles, feeble-minded persons, epileptics, insane persons; persons who have had one or more attacks of insanity at any time previously; persons of constitutional psychopathic inferiority; persons with chronic alcoholism; paupers; professional beggars; vagrants; persons afflicted with tuberculosis in any form or with a loathsome or dangerous contagious disease; persons not comprehended within any of the foregoing excluded classes who are found to be and are certified by the examining surgeon as being mentally or physically defective, such physical defect being of a nature which may affect the ability of such alien to earn a living; persons who have been convicted of or admit having committed a felony or other crime or misdemeanor involving moral turpitude; polygamists, or persons who practice polygamy or believe in or advocate the practice of polygamy; anarchists, or persons who believe in or advocate the overthrow by force or violence of the Government of the United States, or of all forms of law, or who disbelieve in or are opposed to organized government, or who advocate the assassination of public officials, or who advocate or teach the unlawful destruction of property; persons who are members of or affiliated with any organization entertaining and teaching disbelief in or opposition to organized government, or who advocate or teach the duty, necessity, or propriety of the unlawful assaulting or killing of any officer or officers..of the Government of the United States or of any other organized government.
http://library.uwb.edu/static/USimmigration/39%20stat%20874.pdf

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« Reply #1083 on: August 18, 2016, 01:32:41 AM »

Nice find.

"polygamists, or persons who practice polygamy or believe in or advocate the practice of polygamy" , , , hmmm , , , wink
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« Reply #1084 on: August 22, 2016, 10:58:02 AM »

Making a constructive recommendation to Trump on immigration.  Maybe the editors finally smell the chemical gas coming from the Democrat trenches seeping in.

Yes, time to put on the gas masks.  We are in a fight against the Dems:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/439228/donald-trump-immigration-plan-amnesty-option
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« Reply #1085 on: August 23, 2016, 09:19:59 AM »

1500 undocumented Americans floated into Canada, were discovered and put on buses back their country of origin.

Is there anything we can learn here?

http://www.thetimesherald.com/story/news/local/2016/08/22/nearly-1500-float-down-participants-land-canada/89092424/

If only we could slow the flow of Canadian hockey players coming here...
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