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« Reply #750 on: June 22, 2016, 05:43:42 PM »

Gotta love the left . Trump lies that we don't pay high taxes.  Well half of the people in the Us don't.  So true on that account. But for those of us who do it is high:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-tax-rate_us_576ade9ae4b0c0252e781158?section=
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« Reply #751 on: June 23, 2016, 11:18:56 AM »




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« Reply #752 on: June 23, 2016, 04:01:32 PM »

Democrats Abandon Due Process

 by KEVIN D. WILLIAMSON   June 23, 2016 1:50 PM @KEVINNR

 First the First, second the Second and the Fifth Amendments In September of 2014, Senate Democrats voted to repeal the First Amendment. They were enraged by a Supreme Court decision holding that ordinary constitutional protections for free speech prohibited the government from punishing political activists who had shown a film critical of Hillary Rodham Clinton in the run-up to the 2008 presidential election. This was a straightforward case of classical political speech — critics of Mrs. Clinton arguing that she’d make a poor president and distributing a film making that case — and Democrats, including every single Democrat in the Senate, insisted that that isn’t what the First Amendment is intended to protect. They started at the beginning, and are making their way down the Bill of Rights, with the Second Amendment and the Fifth Amendment. The Second Amendment holds that “the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed,” while the Fifth provides that no one may “be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.”

These are what are known as civil rights, meaning the rights associated with citizenship, rights having to do with the relationship between people — or “the People” as the Constitution puts it — and their government. Many Americans do not think of the right to keep and bear arms as a civil right, but they are mistaken. It helps to understand things from the point of view of the Founders and the 18th-century radical liberals whose ideas shaped our republic. Prior to the American founding, the right to keep and bear arms was generally limited to the aristocracy; it was, like the possession of a title or a coat of arms (coat of what?), a bright and dramatic dividing line between the ruling class and the ruled classes, between the Whos and Whoms of society. Arguments about licensing the carry of weapons are hardly new: Caravaggio was arrested for carrying without a license (a sword, in his case) in 1598 near the Piazza Navona in Rome at 3 a.m.

 The bearing of arms is a sign of citizenship, which is to say, of being a full participant in government who acts through it, as opposed to subjectship, the state of being a passive being who does not act through government but who is acted upon. In that sense, it is like the ability to vote or to be eligible for service in government. Frederick Douglass understood this linkage perfectly, inasmuch as these ideas were much better understood in those more literate days. “A man’s rights rest in three boxes,” he said. “The ballot box, jury box, and the cartridge box. Let no man be kept from the ballot box because of his color. Let no woman be kept from the ballot box because of her sex.” The militias contemplated by the Second Amendment were armed citizen volunteers who could act to use the force of arms to keep the peace in an emergency; they are entitled to act in the peacekeeping role generally reserved for the state because, being the citizens of a republic, they are the state, the very seat of its sovereignty. The formal government is a provisional arrangement (hence regular elections) constituted as a convenience. While the Second Amendment may not codify a “right of revolution,” as some put it, the idea of armed citizens pushing out a government that had become inconvenient, a burden on their liberties rather than a guarantor of them, could hardly have been alien to a group of men who had just risked their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor doing just that.

The Democrat party has abandoned the notion of procedural justice in pursuit of substantive outcomes demanded by its supporters, the rule of law be damned. The Fifth Amendment, with its emphasis on process, is an expression of the republican ideal of justice, which is oriented toward process rather than outcomes. The classical liberal view is that justice has two components, a procedural one and a substantive one, and that the law is organized to ensure procedural justice, i.e., that all men are treated equally and that no one is penalized without the formal criteria of the law having been satisfied. This is why even the worst criminals, caught red-handed in the act, are given trials with legal representation, the presentation of evidence, a robust defense, and the consideration of a jury rather than being torn to pieces in the street. Lynching a child molester might satisfy substantive justice in that the offender did indeed deserve to die for his crimes, but it does not satisfy procedural justice, which is what the law concerns itself with. Because mobs are prone to error and easily misled, one of the functions of procedural justice is to protect substantive justice (beyond a reasonable doubt and all that), but it also exists to ensure the orderly functioning of a society under the rule of law, which is why we generally accept the enforcement of unjust or unwise laws (e.g., the prohibition of marijuana) while we work to change them.

It is a measure of the corruption of the Democratic party and its ability to inspire corruption in others that John Lewis, once a civil-rights leader, is today leading a movement to strip Americans of their civil rights based on secret lists of subversives compiled by police agencies and the military. Perhaps it has not occurred to Representative Lewis that his mentor, the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr., also was on a secret government list, as indeed was Lewis himself under the watchful eye of J. Edgar Hoover.  The Democrats demand that Americans be stripped of their Second Amendment rights with no attention paid to the Fifth Amendment, to due process. They propose that Americans be stripped of their legal protections under the Bill of Rights even when they have not been charged with, much less convicted of, a crime. They propose that this be done on the basis of a series of secret government lists, whose contents, criteria, and keepers are treated as state secrets. You cannot call yourself a “liberal” and endorse that. You cannot call yourself a “liberal” and endure that.

 The Democratic party in 2016 is not a liberal party. It is a party that is working diligently to rescind free-speech rights on one front and to undermine due-process protections on another. It has abandoned the notion of procedural justice in pursuit of substantive outcomes demanded by its supporters, the rule of law be damned. There is a term for the armed pursuit of justice, real or perceived, outside the rule of law, and that term is “lynching.” The Democrats have lynching in their political DNA, and they seem to be unable to evolve past it. Ironically, their abandonment of due process and their flirtation with tyranny are reminders of one of the reasons why the Founders believed it necessary to have an armed citizenry. That is an unpleasant thing to contemplate. Better that all of us, conservatives and the genuinely liberal alike, should demand the rule of law, due process and all, even for our political opponents, even when we do not like the outcome. — Kevin D. Williamson is National Review’s roving correspondent.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/437025/democrats-abandon-due-process
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« Reply #753 on: June 23, 2016, 08:33:22 PM »

http://heatst.com/politics/26-of-the-democrats-who-participated-in-the-gun-control-sit-in-own-guns/

While protesting in a building protected by men with guns, including AR type rifles.
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« Reply #754 on: June 28, 2016, 07:58:25 AM »

Lets see.  If we get millions of people to sign that a redo of the 2012 election is only fair then lets get the signatures.  We all know Romney should have won and he only lost because Hillary and obama went out and lied about Benghazi and also that he is not really advancing the US but is advancing the one world country dogma.  And the libs are just too dumb to know what is best for themselves:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/28/billionaire-branson-calls-nonbinding-brexit-vote-rejected/
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« Reply #755 on: June 28, 2016, 08:08:26 PM »

More singling out a demographic they need votes from and use tax money to bribe them for their votes.  No end to segmentation of whole classes of society and singling them out for special treatment from the left.  Divide people , steal from some and bribe others with that which was taken and conquer :

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/clinton-offer-debt-forgiveness-young-entrepreneurs-100041087--politics.html

endless "policy" "management" government control and attempts at social engineering.  Just no end.  Till the day we all die.
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« Reply #756 on: June 29, 2016, 09:55:45 PM »

https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2016/06/29/obama-appointed-prosecutor-chills-free-speech-in-idaho-migrant-sex-assault/?singlepage=true

Watch what you say.
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« Reply #757 on: June 30, 2016, 07:15:38 AM »

"America’s version of the British antidote to elite hypocrisy is the buffoonish populist Donald Trump. Like the architects of Brexit, he arose not from what he was for, but what he said he was against."

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/437303/brexit-elites-dont-practice-what-they-preach
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/437303/brexit-elites-dont-practice-what-they-preach
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« Reply #758 on: July 08, 2016, 10:14:43 AM »

https://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2016/07/07/denial-dies-in-dallas/?singlepage=true

Denial Dies in Dallas
By Richard Fernandez July 7, 2016

Beware, really beware

The dry branches were piled high on the forest floor waiting for a spark. The City Journal wrote:

    Violence in Chicago is reaching epidemic proportions. In the first five months of 2016, someone was shot every two and a half hours and someone murdered every 14 hours, for a total of nearly 1,400 nonfatal shooting victims and 240 fatalities. Over Memorial Day weekend, 69 people were shot, nearly one per hour, dwarfing the previous year’s tally of 53 shootings over the same period. The violence is spilling over from the city’s gang-infested South and West Sides into the downtown business district; Lake Shore Drive has seen drive-by shootings and robberies.

The crime wave in Chicago illustrates how politicians trapped themselves in a vise of conflicting expectations from which there is no escape. It has proved impossible to do something and its opposite simultaneously, in this case withdraw the police and protect the community. It may prove just as impossible to require transgender bathrooms and guarantee no sexual harassment takes place or open the borders while promising there will be no terror attacks. When one thinks of it, making health care "affordable" while opening it to high risk groups was always a unlikely proposition.

Impossible, yet Big Tent constituencies are routinely green-lighted on both ends of a one way street and told to floor the pedal. For a while they could spin it with smoke and mirrors. But in the end, illusion does not last.
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“What if I told you,” asks a Matrix-themed photo meme circulating on Facebook, “that you can be against cops murdering citizens and citizens murdering cops at the same time?” To that one might reply that the America in which that was possible might have died in Dallas, Texas in the last few hours. The age of the zero sum game may have arrived with a vengeance.

    Dallas police say four officers have died after at least two snipers opened fire during protests downtown. Seven other officers were wounded.

    Police Chief David O. Brown said police have a suspect cornered in a garage and are negotiating with that person. He says the snipers fired upon officers "ambush style."

    Brown had said three officers were killed, and police issued a tweet later saying a fourth officer had died. Brown says snipers shot from "elevated positions" during a protest over two recent fatal police shootings.

Was terrorism involved? Were the ideas of Ferguson taken to their final, frightening conclusion? While the individual culprits of the shooting have yet to be identified, the factors which have turned the summer of 2016 into a witches' brew were clear for all to see. It is the culmination of decades of identity politics, the fruit of open borders, the outcome of an unwarranted disdain for Islamic extremism, the destruction of everything once held in common. Most of all it is the product of a collapse in legitimacy that has soured the public on nearly every institution: the political parties, the Supreme Court, the presidency, the police and the FBI. Now at the very moment when the public needs to trust someone the question is: whom can you trust?

The security system of America is trust, which manifests itself in legitimacy which in turn makes it possible to govern a huge nation largely on consent. The mistake was to believe it was possible to play the identity card endlessly, to set one against another, to destroy trust -- without consequences.

The public is suddenly face to face with the realization that the solid status quo is a fragile facade that might at any moment dissolve into something unrecognizable.  It's a veneer masking a crumbling structure. Donald and Hillary are not freaks. They are monsters from our Id. If any proof were needed that the discontent sweeping Europe and the United States is all too real, that the can has reached the end of the road, it may be provided in the next few weeks.

Dallas leaves the Narrative with no place to go. What'll it be? Withdraw the police from the streets? Crack down on the usual suspects? Announce this was the work of that Jayvee team, ISIS? Close the borders? Confiscate the guns? Call in the FBI?

Or maybe we can listen to another speech about how hatred is on its last legs? There's nowhere to turn without admitting failure. Or perhaps we can just change the subject and talk about the war on women and Christian hatred? What'll it be? It's always worked before, maybe it'll work again.
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For once the Narrative will find this can't be spun, though it will try, this time in the growing realization that lies may only make it worse, as the former lies have worsened things till now. The roots of discontent run deep. The status quo has been living on borrowed money and borrowed truth. It is now living on borrowed time.

Denial will no longer work. That is the single most important thing to understand.

Update:

Dallas chief of police David Brown described the motive of one attacker. He "wanted to kill white people", especially police., as the Washington Post reports.  It's a sad outcome.  The Narrative truly has nowhere left to go.
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« Reply #759 on: July 08, 2016, 01:28:48 PM »

Lets see.  I am wondering.  "I want to kill white people'.  Hmmm.  Work place violence?  Disgruntled because he is unemployed?  Drugs?  Chemical imbalance?  Did not have father at home?
Due to white privilege ? hmmmm.

How about a *hate crime*?   OK DOJ - how about investigating this as a hate crime?

What about it Obama?

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« Reply #760 on: July 11, 2016, 10:12:23 PM »




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« Reply #761 on: July 12, 2016, 06:10:58 AM »

I like the stain on his tie.

Not an unusual event for me.  Indeed I often joke that that is the purpose of a tie from day one.  To keep one's shirt clean.
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« Reply #762 on: July 14, 2016, 12:05:29 PM »

Pointing out the obvious:

Regarding Hillary's college plan and every other leftist position on every leftist issue, from the Iraq war to minimum wage, healthcare, unemployment, education, and the Obama phones...they don't want to solve the problem; they want to get elected.

"We are the change that we seek."  - Barack Obama, Feb 5, 2008
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/us/politics/05text-obama.html?_r=0
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« Reply #763 on: July 16, 2016, 08:36:31 AM »

The attack was nothing more than "road rage".  He had PSTD.  Nervous breakdown in 2004.  He was off his psych meds.  He is not a terrorist.  He has mental disorder.

So lets get rid of the military and police.  What we really need is an army of psychologists to flood the mentally disturbed ISIS enclaves.  And lawyers to be sure they get their mental care.  Like addiction.  No one is responsible for anything anymore.  Except Republicans.  They are the only evil left on Earth:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3693227/Brother-reveals-violent-drug-crazed-ISIS-soldier-Mohamed-Lahouaiej-Bouhlel-smuggled-84-000-family-Tunisia-DAYS-murdering-84-Nice.html
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« Reply #764 on: July 16, 2016, 09:31:37 AM »


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3691293/Huge-cache-guns-grenades-larger-weapons-inside-bullet-riddled-truck-sparking-fears-Nice-massacre-deadly.html

So did the guns, grenades and "larger weapons" magically appear in the jihad truck?

The attack was nothing more than "road rage".  He had PSTD.  Nervous breakdown in 2004.  He was off his psych meds.  He is not a terrorist.  He has mental disorder.

So lets get rid of the military and police.  What we really need is an army of psychologists to flood the mentally disturbed ISIS enclaves.  And lawyers to be sure they get their mental care.  Like addiction.  No one is responsible for anything anymore.  Except Republicans.  They are the only evil left on Earth:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3693227/Brother-reveals-violent-drug-crazed-ISIS-soldier-Mohamed-Lahouaiej-Bouhlel-smuggled-84-000-family-Tunisia-DAYS-murdering-84-Nice.html
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« Reply #765 on: July 17, 2016, 10:35:55 AM »


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3691293/Huge-cache-guns-grenades-larger-weapons-inside-bullet-riddled-truck-sparking-fears-Nice-massacre-deadly.html

So did the guns, grenades and "larger weapons" magically appear in the jihad truck?

The attack was nothing more than "road rage".  He had PSTD.  Nervous breakdown in 2004.  He was off his psych meds.  He is not a terrorist.  He has mental disorder.

So lets get rid of the military and police.  What we really need is an army of psychologists to flood the mentally disturbed ISIS enclaves.  And lawyers to be sure they get their mental care.  Like addiction.  No one is responsible for anything anymore.  Except Republicans.  They are the only evil left on Earth:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3693227/Brother-reveals-violent-drug-crazed-ISIS-soldier-Mohamed-Lahouaiej-Bouhlel-smuggled-84-000-family-Tunisia-DAYS-murdering-84-Nice.html

Nothing to see here, move along.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3694282/Brought-weapons-s-good-equipment-Terrifying-final-text-messages-Bastille-Day-killer-sent-minutes-murdered-84-people.html

Workplace violence, I guess.
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« Reply #766 on: July 17, 2016, 01:24:06 PM »

Seems to me that being a psycho and being a radical Islamic terrorist are not mutually exclusive conditions.
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« Reply #767 on: July 17, 2016, 02:34:20 PM »

Seems to me that being a psycho and being a radical Islamic terrorist are not mutually exclusive conditions.

No, indeed they are not. Remember, if you die a shaheed, all sins are wiped clean and you proceed directly to paradise.

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« Reply #768 on: July 17, 2016, 06:01:39 PM »

Seems to me that being a psycho and being a radical Islamic terrorist are not mutually exclusive conditions.

No, indeed they are not. Remember, if you die a shaheed, all sins are wiped clean and you proceed directly to paradise.

There is no way to control someone that has made peace with the fact that they will die. The problem is, those people are growing in number.
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« Reply #769 on: July 17, 2016, 09:15:37 PM »

Seems to me that being a psycho and being a radical Islamic terrorist are not mutually exclusive conditions.

No, indeed they are not. Remember, if you die a shaheed, all sins are wiped clean and you proceed directly to paradise.

There is no way to control someone that has made peace with the fact that they will die. The problem is, those people are growing in number.

Keeping them out of your country is a good start.
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« Reply #770 on: July 17, 2016, 10:10:10 PM »

Amen!
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« Reply #771 on: July 18, 2016, 12:37:00 AM »

Seems to me that being a psycho and being a radical Islamic terrorist are not mutually exclusive conditions.

No, indeed they are not. Remember, if you die a shaheed, all sins are wiped clean and you proceed directly to paradise.

There is no way to control someone that has made peace with the fact that they will die. The problem is, those people are growing in number.

Keeping them out of your country is a good start.

Agree 100%.

That still doesn't solve the domestic, multicultural problem. People simply do not ave the same values, and people on both sides of that have ceased valueing life because they know that it's cheap.

What to do with them? It isn't just fringe people either. It is people on both sides of the law.... both actively speaking about how people on the other side of the law should be killed, depending on who they are or what they've done. Violence begets violence. Always has, always will.

Theeconomy is one of the best ways to solve this.... People becoming rich goes a long way in quieting that masses.
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