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« Reply #1200 on: March 06, 2017, 07:13:16 AM »

 wink

Sorry there is *NO*  equivalence of this to the "underground railroad" though the LEFT is trying to go there:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/05/de-blasio-500000-illegals-blocks-law-enforcement/
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« Reply #1201 on: March 08, 2017, 05:47:03 PM »

'IMMIGRANT PRIVILEGE' DRIVES CHILD RAPE EPIDEMIC

Ann Coulter - March 8, 2017

Before breathing a sigh of relief that, unlike Western Europe, we don't have Muslim rapists pouring into our country, recall that we have Mexican rapists pouring into our country.

Almost all peasant cultures are brimming with rapists, pederasts and child abusers. Latin America just happens to be the peasant culture closest to the United States, while the Muslims are closest to Europe.

According to North Carolinians for Immigration Reform and Enforcement, immigrants commit hundreds of sex crimes against children in North Carolina every month -- 350 in the month of April 2014, 299 in May, and more than 400 in August and September. More than 90 percent of the perpetrators are Hispanic.

They aren't even counting legal immigrants. Aren't those worse? Only certain Republicans get excited about the difference between legal and illegal immigrants. The rest of America is trying to understand the point of the last 40 years of legal immigration. Why was this necessary?

Below is a very short excerpt from a few days in November 2013. As Stalin is supposed to have said, sometimes quantity has a quality all its own.

-- Abundez, Jose, Juan (11/12/2013): Felony Sex Offense -- Parental Role

-- Aguilar-Sandoval, Jersson, Iss (11/21/2013): Felony First Degree Sexual Offense; Felony First Degree Rape; Felony First Degree Kidnapping

-- Aguilar, Rafael (11/04/2013): Felony Indecent Liberties With Child

-- Aguilar, Rigoberto, Castellano (11/04/2013): Felony First Degree Rape; Felony Indecent Liberties With Child; Felony Stat Rape/Sex Offn Def>4-<6yr

(Note: That's sex with a child between 4 and 6 years old.)

-- Manzano, Gustavo, Adolfo (11/20/2013): Felony Indecent Liberties With Child; Felony Rape of Child

-- Monje, Alcides, Aguilar (11/18/2013): Felony Stat Rape/Sex Offn Def >=6yr; Felony Indecent Liberties With Child, 13.

The list, for a single month in a single state, goes on in the same vein through 87 separate offenders. When not providing North Carolina meatpackers with cheap labor, immigrant workers seem to spend all their time raping little girls.



To be fair, there are also Asian names, such as Y'Hon Nie (Indecent Liberties With Child, First Degree Sex Offense-Child, Second Degree Sexual Offense); and David Vo Minh (First Degree Sex Offense-Child, Indecent Liberties With Child).

North Carolina's cheap labor advocates better be paying Sen. Thom Tillis well. It sure isn't the average North Carolinian demanding that he shill for amnesty. Illegal immigration alone costs North Carolina taxpayers billions of dollars per year.

Our nation's epitaph, with a photo of Sen. Tillis, could be: "We built a powerful economic engine that attracted people, but then some businessmen saw their chance to screw the country and make a pile for themselves. Let's bring in low-wage workers so we can externalize our costs to the taxpayer!”

Except North Carolina's businesses aren't just externalizing their costs to the taxpayers. They're externalizing their costs to little girls.

The reason websites like North Carolinians for Immigration Reform and Enforcement are so important is that the government and the media hide immigrant crime from the public.

They cite bogus studies that compare immigrants to America's criminal class. (We didn't want immigrants who are only slightly less criminal than our worst inner cities.)

Or they announce their impressionistic conclusions. (I heard about a crime in Montana -- that state must have a lot of crime, is not a scientific way to argue.)

Or they refuse to count any criminal without an ICE detainer against him as an immigrant, at all. (Is the court translator a hint that the defendant isn't a 10th-generation American?)

The way to determine how many immigrants are committing crime is to count them. Why does the government refuse to do this?

The number of immigrants in prison would be a good start, but that's only the tip of the iceberg.

Immigrant criminals flee back to their own countries after arrest. Prosecutors deport illegals rather than imprison them -- and then the illegals come right back. Some George Soros-inspired prosecutors allow illegals to plea guilty to a minor offense, to prevent them from being deported.

To get the full picture, government investigators will need to talk to crime victims, police and prosecutors, too.

And we want honesty -- not studies that count anchor babies and second-generation immigrants as "the native population.”

The media is the government's co-conspirator in hiding immigrant crime. I have approximately 1,000 examples of media subterfuges on immigrant crime in Adios, America! The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country Into a Third World Hellhole.

Here are a few recent examples from Sen. Tillis' North Carolina.

Headline: "Burke County man convicted of raping 13-year-old girl," Charlotte Observer, Feb. 1, 2017 (Ricardo Solis Garcia -- an illegal whom Mexico refused to take back);

Headline: "Burlington man charged with child rape," The Times News, Jan. 19, 2017 (Felipe Samuel Rivera Rodriguez);

Headline: "Angier man accused of having sex with 14-year-old girl," The Fayetteville Observer, Aug. 29, 2016 (Estevan Roberto Silva).

NOTE TO READERS: The North Carolina Estevan Roberto Silva -- sex with a 14-year-old girl -- should not be confused with the Texas Esteban Villa Silva -- sex with a 12-year-old girl about 60 times -- or the Alabama Esteban Silva Jr. -- 42-year-old man convicted of sex with a 12-year-old girl. All these child rapes were revealed in coded headlines like "Man pleads to sexual relationship with girl.”

Other informative North Carolina headlines:

Headline: "Man, 42, arrested for sexual offense with girl under 13" (Carlos Gumercindo Crus);

Headline: "Man charged with sexual assault of a minor" (Jose Freddy Ambrosio-Gorgonio);

Headline: Man Pleads Guilty in Child Rape Case (Luis Perez-Valencia).

It's too relentless to be a coincidence.

There have been more stories in the American media about a rape by white lacrosse players that didn't happen than about thousands of child rapes in North Carolina that did.

I'm pretty sure our media is opposed to rape. But evidently, not as opposed as they are to America.

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« Reply #1202 on: March 09, 2017, 04:38:02 PM »



http://ijr.com/2017/03/819844-news-media-furiously-reported-khizr-khans-visa-crisis-then-suddenly-a-funny-thing-happened/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Owned&utm_term=ijamerica&utm_campaign=ods&utm_content=Politics
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« Reply #1203 on: March 10, 2017, 11:34:07 AM »

We can always scour the world and find someone who will work harder for less.
Great for employers.  Great for competition.  Till it happens to you:

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2017/03/the-horrendous-visa-program-forcing-tech-workers-to-dig-their-own-graves
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« Reply #1204 on: March 10, 2017, 11:36:40 AM »

Some pro-immigration people accidentally publishing information about the costs. See if this link comes up.

http://m.startribune.com/what-we-know-and-what-we-don-t-about-resettlement-related-costs/415827654/
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« Reply #1205 on: March 10, 2017, 02:12:36 PM »

Relating to the US-mexico question, Islamophobia in America, etc, our (illegal?) immigration application should offer the choice: Want to assimilate.  Don't want to assimilate. Choose one.
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« Reply #1206 on: March 10, 2017, 03:10:40 PM »

Relating to the US-mexico question, Islamophobia in America, etc, our (illegal?) immigration application should offer the choice: Want to assimilate.  Don't want to assimilate. Choose one.


About 3/4's don't want to assimilate, for a mixture of political, personal (family) or economic reasons. The ones that do assimilate, are heavily berated by those that do not (Uncle Tom syndrome applied to Latinos).


I could back that up with various news stories and screen shots of comments in Spanish. It's absolutely the truth.
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« Reply #1207 on: March 11, 2017, 11:12:54 AM »

http://freebeacon.com/issues/hawaii-hires-al-qaedas-best-lawyer-lead-suit-trump/
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« Reply #1208 on: March 19, 2017, 10:15:09 AM »

Pravda on the Beach (POTB) a.k.a. the LA Times:

Snark aside an interesting point is raised:

http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-farms-immigration/

As best as I can tell is that there could/should be an increase in temporary work visas (specifying farm work?).  

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OTOH

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jessicagarrison/all-you-americans-are-fired?utm_term=.vaDXKljAkQ#.bvLbY7mJZ2
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« Reply #1209 on: March 19, 2017, 10:41:14 PM »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/these-first-generation-chinese-americans-are-loudly-opposing-sanctuary-laws/2017/03/17/92728e94-09db-11e7-93dc-00f9bdd74ed1_story.html?tid=ss_fb&utm_term=.a8870bfda161
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« Reply #1210 on: March 21, 2017, 11:20:31 AM »

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/20/cinco-de-mayo-canceled-mexicans-fear-trump-deporta/?utm_source=activeengage&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=activeengage
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« Reply #1211 on: March 21, 2017, 01:41:34 PM »


So much winning...
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« Reply #1212 on: March 31, 2017, 11:35:19 PM »



http://www.wbur.org/news/2017/03/30/green-card-ice-arrests-lawrence
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« Reply #1213 on: April 03, 2017, 04:23:50 PM »

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2017/03/focus-border-wall-visa-overstays-create-illegal-immigrant-crisis/
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« Reply #1214 on: April 17, 2017, 06:09:00 AM »

http://thehill.com/latino/328853-trump-frays-nerves-on-both-sides-of-immigration-fight
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« Reply #1215 on: April 17, 2017, 09:54:36 PM »

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/04/16/exclusive-gay-porn-kingpin-protect-america-muslim-barbarians/
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« Reply #1216 on: April 25, 2017, 05:33:42 PM »

Doing a search on "El Chapo" I found I posted this recommendation on Nov 25, 2006. I knew I did but i did not remember it was that far back.

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/04/25/ted-cruz-calls-14-billion-seized-el-chapo-fund-border-wall/

But logic never works in DC so this won't happen
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« Reply #1217 on: April 26, 2017, 05:03:23 PM »

more on the political activist judge Orrick the third:
http://heavy.com/news/2017/04/judge-william-h-orrick-political-beliefs-party-barack-obama-donate-planned-parenthood-immigration-case-donald-trump/
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« Reply #1218 on: April 27, 2017, 12:05:04 AM »

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/447058/trump-administration-sanctuary-city-executive-order-activist-liberal-judge-william-h-orrick?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily%20Trending%20Email%20Reoccurring-%20Monday%20to%20Thursday%202017-04-26&utm_term=NR5PM%20Actives
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« Reply #1219 on: May 31, 2017, 02:16:54 PM »

Video:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4351026/clinton-1995-immigration-sotu

Full transcript:
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=51634

All Americans, not only in the States most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers. That's why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens. In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace as recommended by the commission headed by former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan. We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.
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« Reply #1220 on: May 31, 2017, 03:30:12 PM »

http://www.dailywire.com/news/16990/trump-sending-so-many-gang-members-back-el-joseph-curl
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« Reply #1221 on: June 10, 2017, 09:53:39 AM »

gives justification to the phrase "anchor babies"  .  It worked, just not for us:

https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/betrayal-trump-grants-amnesty-to-125000-illegals-in-3-months
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« Reply #1222 on: June 25, 2017, 12:06:48 PM »



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/25/us/trump-undocumented-victims.html?emc=edit_ta_20170625&nl=top-stories&nlid=49641193&ref=cta&_r=0

Hmmm , , , wonder why he won the election  , , ,
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« Reply #1223 on: June 25, 2017, 12:57:21 PM »


"To Mr. Trump’s critics, the office and the people it was supposed to represent were little more than pawns in his crude attempts to make monsters out of a largely law-abiding population"

What lying c*cksuckers. If you are an illegal alien, that is a violation of the law. If you are working without legal docs, that is a violation of the law. If you are using someone else's SSN, that is a violation of the law.
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« Reply #1224 on: June 25, 2017, 01:44:36 PM »

"To Mr. Trump’s critics, the office and the people it was supposed to represent were little more than pawns in his crude attempts to make monsters out of a largely law-abiding population"

What lying c*cksuckers. If you are an illegal alien, that is a violation of the law. If you are working without legal docs, that is a violation of the law. If you are using someone else's SSN, that is a violation of the law.

They were formerly known as otherwise law abiding citizens, who as you point are not law abiding nor are they citizens.  Then when you own the language and nearly all it's outlets in education and media, it is tempting to drop the otherwise designation which weakens or defeats your point and just call them law abiding or "largely"? law abiding.  Never mind what percent come as violent gang members and what additional percentage conspired and contracted with violent gangs to enter and settle here.

"Hmmm , , , wonder why he won the election  , , ,"

Great point.  We argue against creeping and blatant leftism in all its deceptions and defects every day on these pages and in our own circles and no one seems to listen or care.  Then out of the blue, without any articulate argument or true leader, people suddenly start to get it - because of what they see and what they know.
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« Reply #1225 on: June 28, 2017, 03:19:06 PM »

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/370424.php

June 28, 2017

El Salvadoran Illegal Immigrant Who Raped and Killed Muslim Girl Is, Get This, Reported a Member of MS-13
Gee, I wonder why this particular Hate Crime dropped off the national media radar in such a hurry.

Incidentally, he is suspected of having sexually assaulted another woman in the previous week:

The suspect charged with murdering a 17-year-old Muslim girl during Ramadan was accused of sexually assaulting another woman a week before the teen’s slaying in Virginia and is reportedly an MS-13 gang member.
Darwin Martinez Torres, of El Salvador, allegedly sent a woman to hospital after he punched and choked her, according to a Loudoun County Child Protective Services report obtained by the Washington Post.

The alleged acts happened in front of a child, and the woman said she didn’t want to press any charges against her attacker who was later identified by authorities as Torres.
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« Reply #1226 on: June 30, 2017, 09:15:57 AM »

 



Immigration Policy: What Is It Good For?

Chris Blattman, a professor of conflict studies at the University of Chicago, responded to Amanda’s Canada populism piece by pointing out that although Canada had avoided an anti-immigrant backlash, it had accepted relatively few poor migrants, which he argues is “not exactly a badge of honor.”

That gets at one of the central questions of immigration policy that is often obscured by immigration politics: Who is immigration supposed to be helping?

Roughly speaking, there are three different groups that immigration policy can benefit — the receiving country, which gets new workers and consumers; the sending country, which receives remittance money from workers overseas; and the immigrants themselves, who get increased opportunity and/or safety in their new home.

It’s possible to benefit all three groups, of course, but immigration policy looks different depending on whose interests you prioritize.

For instance, if you admit more poor immigrants and refugees, you are more likely to maximize the benefits to the immigrants themselves than if you focus on people who are already safe and rich. And if you want your immigration program to double as an effective form of foreign aid, you should admit more people from developing countries, to expand the remittances they send back home.

But if you just care about economic benefits for your own country, that arguably suggests a pretty different policy. Then, you should prioritize skilled, educated immigrants who already speak the language and will integrate easily, even if they’re less needy (which they probably are) and less likely to send desperately needed remittances back home.

That is what Canada has done. With the exception of their refugee resettlement program, which is substantial but represents only a small fraction of overall immigration, Canada focuses on maximizing benefits to its own economy, not to refugees or other countries.

Depending on whom you ask, that’s either practical or selfish. It has boosted Canada’s economy, but cut out poorer immigrants who could benefit most. And it’s worth noting there is substantial evidence that even poor, unskilled immigrants are still a net economic benefit to their new countries, so this is a prioritization of “more benefits for us” over “some benefits for us.”

But the lesson of rising right-wing populism may be that democratic governments don’t just need to decide which of those groups to prioritize, they also need to figure out how much immigration they can accept without provoking a nativist backlash. Canada’s example suggests that wealthier immigrants may come at a lower political “cost” than poorer ones.

That isn’t an answer to the moral question of how much countries ought to use their immigration policies to help the poor and vulnerable. But it does hint at why many seem to find it daunting to try.




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« Reply #1227 on: June 30, 2017, 09:20:44 AM »



ROME — More than 20,000 migrants have reached Italy in the last week, a sharp spike that has left the Italian government considering whether to deny landing rights to independent rescue ships not flying the Italian flag if it does not get more help from the European Union.

The number of migrants risking the perilous crossing of the Mediterranean from Libya often increases in warmer months, but this week’s surge is extraordinary even compared with the already high summer numbers of recent years.

The spike in migration has inflamed one of the most divisive debates in Italian politics, and worsened tensions between Italy and the European Union. And the role of rescue ships operated by humanitarian groups and nongovernmental organizations has now moved to the center of that debate.

Right-wing parties, which celebrated victories in Sunday’s municipal elections, have latched onto the climbing number of asylum seekers as a vote-getter. Some have argued that the center-left government is incapable of stanching the flow of migrants, while others accuse the government of having a secret plan to swell the number of immigrants with the intention of one day granting them voting rights.

Right-wing politicians and newspapers have spread a sense that the nongovernmental organizations are essentially profiteers who collude with human traffickers to aid and abet illegal immigration. “They are complicit in this mass exodus and earn from it,” said Matteo Salvini, leader of the Northern League, an anti-immigrant party that campaigned vigorously for many of the center-right candidates who won in Sunday’s election.

There is no evidence of any such collusion.

Carlotta Sami, a spokeswoman for the United Nations refugee agency in Southern Europe, said that rescue ships operated by nongovernmental organizations had rescued 12,600 people in the Mediterranean — about 35 percent of the overall number saved — in the first four months of 2017. But she said that she did not believe they drew more migrants into the water or that they played a role in the rising number of asylum seekers arriving in Italy.


Ms. Sami said that while she was aware of reports about the Italian blockade proposal, there were no reports of ships being blocked. She said she believed the Italians were trying to get Europe to show “greater solidarity with Italy.”

But the center-left government, which has championed a more welcoming approach and saved thousands from the sea, is now showing signs that its patience is wearing thin. It is treating the recent landings as something close to a national — or at least political — emergency.

On Wednesday, Interior Minister Marco Minniti was briefed about the high numbers of landings at Italian ports during a stop in Ireland on his way to the United States for a meeting with American officials. The numbers were so high that Mr. Minniti — often characterized by supporters as on the tougher, more realistic, side of the center-left government — decided to turn back to Rome.

But government officials say there is little Mr. Minniti, or anyone in Italy, can do alone. The Italian news media reported this week that Italy has authorized its ambassador to the European Union, Maurizio Massari, to ask the European Commission to revise the bloc’s asylum procedures and consider the possibility of blocking boats without Italian flags from docking in Italy.

“It’s a hypothesis we are considering,” said one Italian government official with knowledge of the deliberations, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to comment. “We would block the boats that don’t fly an Italian flag from docking in our ports. It can’t just be Italy that receives all the migrants. Europe must understand that our coasts are not just our frontier but Europe’s frontier.”

Some experts doubt the legality of such a policy, and Mr. Massari did not return an email request for comment.

Mr. Salvini, the leader of the Northern League, mocked the proposal as a publicity stunt allowing the government to feign a tougher, and now more popular, posture. “We’ve been asking to block these boats for three years,” he said in an interview. “That the government is going to Brussels to ask is ridiculous because Brussels has already said they have no intention of doing it. Some things you do or you don’t. You don’t ask.”


Mr. Salvini approvingly named Hungary, Austria and France as countries that have demonstrated a willingness to turn migrants away. Other countries, such as Poland, have refused to host asylum seekers and lighten Italy’s load.

This is frustrating to the Italian government, but also to many migrants who feel stuck in Italy because European Union rules state that, while waiting for judgments on their asylum requests, they must stay in the country where they were first registered. Often that country is Italy.

In recent conversations with asylum seekers on Italy’s northern border, where migrants stood around sweltering reception centers and loitered around Lake Como, several said that they appreciated Italy for rescuing them from the sea but that they dreamed of moving to Germany or Northern Europe for work.


Italian government officials have argued that Italy is taking on too much of the burden, and last week leaders of European Union member states agreed to free up more funds to help Italy and Greece, another front-line nation, with the rising number of migrants.

Italy has also sought to stem the flow at the source of the migration.

The Italian government, like Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany, has advocated that Europe concentrate on development in African countries to discourage people from leaving. The European Union has even sought to train the Libyan Coast Guard and provide it with faster boats to better patrol its own coast. Migrants who are intercepted before reaching international waters can be returned there.

But it does not seem to be working.

If the current pace holds, more migrants will arrive in Italy this year than the 180,000 that the Interior Ministry recorded last year. More than 60,000 arrived in the first five months of 2017.

Ms. Sami, the United Nations spokeswoman, said the focus on nongovernmental ships was misplaced. She said more focus was needed on stopping traffickers in Africa and getting the thousands of people making the journey from Niger to Libya to stay.

Once they are in the water, she said, “the first imperative — and we don’t see any exception — is to save lives.”
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« Reply #1228 on: June 30, 2017, 11:15:10 AM »

https://www.steynonline.com/7947/pass-me-my-sharia-niblick

Pass Me My Sharia Niblick
by Mark Steyn
Steyn on Canada
June 28, 2017

Pam Davies for The Toronto Sun
Celebrating diversity in court: Ontario judge, Crown Counsel, Arabic interptreter, and niqabed defendant

The formal observances of Canada's 150th birthday have included a sesquicentennial viceregal gaffe and a pair of commemorative prime ministerial socks. But of course what most Canadians like to do when we're not trapping beaver and huffing poutine is celebrate diversity. And so it was that at the Canadian Tire store in Scarborough a "Scarborough woman" went full Allahu Akbar in the paint aisle, but, touchingly, instead of just slashing at her "fellow Canadians" with the traditional machete of her own cultural inheritance, she also embraced Canadian values by clobbering her victims with a golf club as if berating the caddy at nearby Cedar Brae. Global News reports:

Police said a woman walked to the paint section of the store with a golf club and began swinging it at employees and a customer while uttering threats.

A source confirmed to Global News the woman was reportedly wearing a niqab and a bandana adorned with what appeared to be a symbol for IS at the time of the alleged incident.

Police said employees and customers managed to subdue the woman and contact police, when she pulled a "large knife" out from under her clothing.

The woman was restrained and police said the knife was "pried out of her hand" with the help of another store employee. The employee sustained non-life threatening injuries and was treated at the scene.

The "Scarborough woman" is one Rehab Dughmosh, which sounds like a treatment centre for aging hardcore groupies who've put their back out but is in fact the name of the perpetrator. The allegedly alleged perpetrator, I should say. Ms Dughmosh, speaking through an interpreter and the folds of her head-to-toe body bag, made a brief statement to the court:

"I meant to harm those people," Rehab Dughmosh told Justice Kimberley Crosbie through an Arabic interpreter during a court appearance.

"I reject all counsel here. I only believe in Islamic Sharia law. I would like to revoke my Canadian citizenship that I received. I don't want to have any allegiance to you... If you release me, I'm going to commit this type of action again and again because I'm pledging allegiance to [IS leader] Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi," she said, adding she refuses to adhere to Canadian law.

Well, that's easy for you to say. Her Honour was not entirely persuaded:

Asking the accused to think about it, Justice Kimberley Crosbie would not immediately accept her attempt to plead guilty to the alleged ISIS-inspired attack that saw two people assaulted.

Joe Warmington's Toronto Sun column is full of fascinating details. For example, the lavishly funded Canadian bureaucracy cannot reliably state whether or not Rehab Dughmosh has any Canadian citizenship to revoke, or where she came from:

They are working on the belief she was born in Syria but before Canada they are looking into leads of a possible stop in Jordan... She does have status in Canada but it's still not clear if she has Canadian citizenship or has the belief that permanent resident status is one and the same.

If she is a Canadian citizen it would be next to impossible to deport her. If she has a temporary or permanent residence status, there is a process.

Good luck with that. Mr Warmington quotes socks symbol Justin Trudeau:

"I'll give you the quote so that you guys can jot it down and put it in an attack ad somewhere that the Liberal Party believes that terrorists should get to keep their Canadian citizenship," he said. "Because I do. And I'm willing to take on anyone who disagrees with that."

Trudeau's premise is "as soon as you make citizenship for some Canadians conditional on good behaviour, you devalue citizenship for everyone"...

It comes to something when a golf-club-wielding Arabic-cursing body-bagged jihadist crone unable to speak the language of "her" country and attacking patrons of a suburban shopping mall in furtherance of the global caliphate nevertheless has a better grasp of citizenship than a western prime minister. But, alas, such is the case. Citizenship is not conditional on "good behaviour", but it is conditional on what Rehab Dughmosh calls "allegiance". In traditional ethnostates such as, say, Denmark, that didn't used to be a big deal: your family had been Danish for a thousand years, you felt Danish, you lived Danish, so naturally your allegiance was to Denmark - "naturally" as in it's so natural you don't even think about it. That's why we call adopting citizenship "naturalization" - because, by the end of it, it's supposed to feel natural. Naturalization requires a transfer of allegiance, which is why in Canada you take an oath to the Queen and in America, just to underline the point, you're also called upon to "absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen".

That should just about cover it.

Except that it doesn't. Because to the post-modernists of the western political class "allegiance" is a fusty concept. They don't believe in it, so they don't see why Ahmed off the boat from Misurata should be expected to. Perhaps the weirdest moment for me in the Munk Debate last year, between Nigel Farage and me, on the one hand, and, on the other, Louise Arbour and Simon Schama, was this exchange:

Mark Steyn: When you've got second- and third- generation Belgians and Frenchmen and Germans and Britons and Canadians going off to join ISIS, blowing up Paris, blowing up Brussels, that ought to occasion a certain modesty among us that our skills at assimilation, at inculcating our values, are not as awesome and all-encompassing as they were in the nineteenth century. And to think, when second- and third-generation immigrants are blowing up the airport, that the answer is suddenly to accelerate immigration from the same source, is very bizarre. In what sense are these people Belgian?

Simon Schama: Well, you know, in what sense is Razia Iqbal British? She's fully British, right..? And she happens to be a British Muslim, right? And how more British can you get than doing the BBC World Service?

Mark Steyn: Yes. I worked with Zeinab Badawi at Channel 4 in Britain. I've got no problem with that. But that's my point: Holding a passport does not make you Canadian and does not make you Belgian and does not make you French.

Louise Arbour: What?

Simon Schama: I agree.

Professor Schama appeared to concede that point, but Mme Arbour was apparently stunned by it, and returned to it later, very emphatically:

Louise Arbour: And by the way, Mark, if you have a Canadian passport you're a Canadian citizen. There's no arguing with that, right?

Mme Arbour is a former Supreme Court justice but she's missing my point: a Canadian passport may make you a Canadian citizen, as a point of law, but it does not make you a Canadian, as an actual, living, breathing reality. Body-bagged from head to toe, speaking neither English nor French, Rehab Dughmosh has renounced her allegiance to Canada and proclaimed instead her allegiance to the Islamic State, which happens to be Canada's enemy, which in the pre-Arbour era would be what we quaintly call "treason". Why does Mme Arbour presume to know better than Ms Dughmosh about where the latter's allegiance lies?

A few days ago, a sniper with Canada's special forces broke the world record for longest confirmed kill, picking off a Soldier of Allah at 3,450 meters - which is over two miles. That's phenomenal and unprecedented, and the JTF2 guy who did it deserves all the honours the Canadian state can confer on him. On this 150th birthday I only hope we can continue to produce more men like that.

But what's the point if, for every ISIS barbarian you pick off at 3,450 meters, back on the home front you're importing hundreds and thousands of loons who support him and share his world view, day in, day out. There are more "British Muslims" fighting for al-Baghdadi than for the Queen. Thousands more: they feel their allegiance to the Caliphate in a way that they do not for Britain. Likewise with Rehab Dughmosh: she feels her allegiance to ISIS, and not for Canada. Never did. Pace the socks symbol Trudeau, making citizenship conditional on "good behaviour" - ie, non-treason - does not "devalue citizenship for everyone". Tolerating ISIS fighters holding UK and Canadian and Belgian citizenship is what "devalues citizenship for everyone". Rehab Dughmosh's Canadian citizenship devalues that JTF2 sniper's Canadian citizenship.

That's true in the broader sense, too. Ms Dughmosh and those "British" ISIS volunteers feel their true allegiance; they live and breathe it. If you accept them, as Mme Arbour does, as Canadian and UK and French and Swedish citizens, "no arguing with that", you devalue your own citizenship to the point where its purchase on you starts to weaken and dissolve. I look at the feeble, passive reactions to jihadist provocations in Manchester and London and Paris and Brussels, and wonder: how many of the west's citizens feel British or French or Belgian? It's the shrunken reductive definition of "citizenship" advanced by the likes of Trudeau that devalues it - and (a somber thought for this 150th Dominion Day) perhaps fatally.
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« Reply #1229 on: July 01, 2017, 05:25:41 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asz2mDfMYgI

Damn, he's good.
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« Reply #1230 on: July 01, 2017, 11:28:32 PM »

I frequently sit in slack jawed admiration.
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« Reply #1231 on: July 06, 2017, 03:32:09 PM »

US has let in enough refugees to fill 10 Pittsburghs

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/state-bureaucrats-us-has-let-in-enough-refugees-to-fill-10-pittsburghs/article/2627697

3.3 million since 1975.
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« Reply #1232 on: August 02, 2017, 06:12:13 AM »

Yes, but but 40 years too late:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/01/speaker-ryan-posts-video-of-visit-to-southern-border-its-time-for-the-wall/

The Paul will turn around and speak amnesty for the 15 million that are already here so I have no illusions this declaration comes at a price.
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« Reply #1233 on: August 03, 2017, 11:19:35 AM »

We have a word in English for the act of an illegal person taking a legal person's money...  theft.
Why are illegals entitled to ANY taxpayer dollars?
Maybe we can also achieve economies of scale with those deportation costs.

https://cis.org/Report/Deportation-vs-Cost-Letting-Illegal-Immigrants-Stay
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/report-fiscal-drain-of-illegal-immigrants-is-6-times-cost-of-deportation/article/2630500

Report: 'Fiscal drain' of illegal immigrants is 6 times cost of deportation
by Paul Bedard | Aug 3, 2017

The "fiscal drain" of illegal immigrants on American taxpayers is about 6 times the price of deporting them, according to a new study that bolsters the Trump administration's bid to remove criminal illegals and cut overall immigration costs.

The Center for Immigration Studies on Thursday said in a new report that deportation costs an average of $10,854. According to Immigration and Customs Enforcement, that includes apprehension, detention, and processing.

Letting illegal immigrants stay in the U.S., results in a bill to taxpayers of $65,292 "for each illegal immigrant, excluding their descendants," according to Steven A. Camarota, director of research at the Center for Immigration Studies. That includes government benefits.

Camarota, citing two key fiscal impact studies, said that reason the cost of illegal immigration is high is because many are poorly educated and require more in government benefits than others.

"In short, illegal immigrants are a large net fiscal drain because of their education levels and this fact drives the results. Deportation, on the other hand, is not that costly relative to the fiscal costs illegal immigrants create," he wrote.

His key findings:

Deportation costs

In April of this year, ICE reported that the average cost of a deportation, also referred to as a removal, was $10,854 in FY 2016, including apprehension, detention, and processing.
Partly due to policies adopted in the second term of the Obama administration, ICE removed nearly 170,000 fewer aliens in 2016 than in 2012, even though it actually spent 8 percent more in 2016 in inflation-adjusted dollars. The removal of so many more illegal immigrants in FY 2012 means that the average cost per removal in that year was $5,915, adjusted for inflation.
If the average cost of a deportation was what it had been in FY 2012, then the larger enforcement budget in FY 2016 would have allowed for 200,000 more removals without spending additional money.
Costs of illegal immigrants

Researchers agree that illegal immigrants overwhelmingly have modest levels of education — most have not completed high school or have only a high school education. There is also agreement that immigrants with this level of education are a significant net fiscal drain, creating more in costs for government than they pay in taxes.
The National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine estimated the lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) of immigrants based on their educational attainment. Averaging those estimates and applying them to the education level of illegal immigrants shows a net fiscal drain of $65,292 per illegal — excluding any costs for their children.
Based on this estimate, there is a total lifetime fiscal drain of $746.3 billion. This assumes 11.43 million illegal immigrants are in the country based on the U.S. government's most recent estimate.
The fiscal cost created by illegal immigrants of $746.3 billion compares to total a cost of deportation of $124.1 billion, assuming a FY 2016 cost per deportation, or $67.6 billion using FY 2012 deportation costs.

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« Reply #1234 on: August 04, 2017, 05:10:11 PM »

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/450164/skill-based-immigration-international-norm

and likely who your lawyer is and what political connections one has .....

(and if you swear to vote for Democrats  rolleyes)
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« Reply #1235 on: August 07, 2017, 12:07:12 PM »

This guy just refuses to get off the stage:

https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/open-borders-shill-john-mccain-resurrects-gang-of-8-amnesty-push
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« Reply #1236 on: August 08, 2017, 08:56:49 AM »

pasting CCP's post here:

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/sanctuary-cities-funding-justice-department/2017/08/07/id/806360/
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« Reply #1237 on: August 08, 2017, 09:34:03 AM »

http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/345648-trump-spurs-wave-of-new-immigration-laws?rnd=1502139291
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« Reply #1238 on: August 08, 2017, 11:51:26 AM »

Third post

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/7/donald-trump-endorses-immigration-point-system-dem/?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiWlRWbE9XUmpNbU0yWWpabCIsInQiOiJsWkNSVjJOZXVFTDlWM0xqZ2RMMlc2dUI1ZUUzeWNSY1BUY3JNYkxWaWt0QUxcLzRZbTFBQ2RMOFpDYWRDRDBqNDc2NDZ3SHlJNnVoODRNZmhIUkhOR2ZaS0Z6MkRiNnRZc0hScVMzd2l5b2pBNU1KbTVMVGd0REVBU1B4Zmh3TGIifQ%3D%3D
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« Reply #1239 on: August 10, 2017, 09:13:05 AM »


This issued was settled in the 2016 election.  McCain's view was on the ballot via his surrogate Lindsey Graham.  Graham won 0.1% of the Republican vote in two states and 0.0% in the rest while Trump and 'Build the Wall' won the nomination and 30 states.

I backed Rubio's approach and it failed.  Elections have consequences.
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« Reply #1240 on: August 10, 2017, 10:17:37 AM »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/r/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2017/07/11/Editorial-Opinion/Graphics/Tillerson_JCPOA_Letter07112017.pdf?tid=a_inl
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« Reply #1241 on: August 14, 2017, 05:09:26 PM »

since Obama.  How does Immigration explain this?  No will to increase resources to get and keep illegals out:

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/08/13/illegal-alien-arrests-are-way-up-but-deportations-are-down/
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