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Crafty_Dog
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« on: May 07, 2010, 04:50:42 PM »

Sometimes it's a good mental exercise to play "What if?".  Here in Los Angeles, what with earthquakes, brush fires, a vulnerable water supply, a plethora of juicy jihadi targets (e.g. our harbor is the largest on the west coast of the western hemisphere) and a proven proclivity to social disorder (remember the Rodney King riots with 300 fires burning out of control at once and major areas of the city abandoned by the police?), the mental exercise seems a tad more relevant , , ,

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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2010, 06:49:23 PM »

I highly recommend the book "world war Z" by Max Brooks
http://www.randomhouse.com/crown/worldwarz/

also recommend his tongue in cheek "zombie survival guide"

both are packed full of insights and the latter is actually a decent disaster preparedness resource

being ready for the zombies has been a running joke, but since I carry a lvl 3 trauma kit, magnesium strip and flint, a lighter, 3-4 knives, water and food everywhere I go
its not always a joke  afro
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"Nations have passed away and left no traces, And history gives the naked cause of it - One single simple reason in all cases; They fell because their peoples were not fit."-Rudyard Kipling
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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2010, 09:08:49 AM »

Apologies to Crafty but I couldn't resist.  My favorite zombie plan vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFLtUxncZcU
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« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2010, 09:07:24 PM »

I highly recommend the book "world war Z" by Max Brooks
http://www.randomhouse.com/crown/worldwarz/

also recommend his tongue in cheek "zombie survival guide"

both are packed full of insights and the latter is actually a decent disaster preparedness resource...
World War Z is a great book, as is The Zombie Survival Guide.

Day by Day Armaggedon is actually quite good as well, and its sequel comes out in two months.

Another good book to read reference preparedeness is "The Modern Survival Manual: Surviving the Economic Collapse", by Fernando Aguirre. I'm reading it right now and highly recommend it.

S.
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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2010, 09:18:08 PM »

Shadowdancer:

Good to see you here my friend.

Would you be so kind as to flesh that out for us?
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« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2010, 11:31:18 PM »

Hi Marc,

Nice to be back.  smiley

Reference my previous post, Fernando Aguirre is a young man who lived through the socio-economic collapse that Argentina suffered in 2001, and from which it has not yet completely recovered.

I had heard much about this book for the last couple of years but only recently got around to picking up a copy.
Whie he discusses survivalism during a time of crisis his approach is quite different than most found in other similar writings.
He speaks not of bugging out and heading for the country when TSHTF, but of being prepared for bugging in instead.

His book discusses many of the things that one must know to survive and take care of our loved ones, and also touches on self defense, weapons and such.

It is a good read, though I must admit that I am not in 100% agreement with everything he wrote in that book.

Mr Aguirre, who goes by the handle FerFal in numerous forums, to include WT, is  the author of numerous articles found on line and I understand is well regarded among the survival and preparedness community for his personal experience (in which he based his book) and no-nonsense approach to survivalism.

He has a blog , http://ferfal.blogspot.com/, which he keeps updated with articles and posts, as well as recent reports of the situation in Argentina.

S.








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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2010, 09:36:50 AM »

S.:

You and others interested in Survivalism in the Home may wish to check out and post at this thread:

http://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=1188.0
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« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2010, 08:45:40 PM »

S.:

You and others interested in Survivalism in the Home may wish to check out and post at this thread:

http://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=1188.0
Thanks. I will surely check it out.

Worth mentioning here is another good read: One Second After.

http://www.onesecondafter.com/

S.
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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2010, 07:23:52 PM »

Another good book to read reference preparedeness is "The Modern Survival Manual: Surviving the Economic Collapse", by Fernando Aguirre. I'm reading it right now and highly recommend it.

S.

I finished this book this morning.

Very good read there. If you get the chance, read it y'all.

Some of the things that happened in Argentina that MR Aguirre covers in great detail are nowadays hapening in our own country thanks to this darn economy.


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« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2010, 10:05:18 AM »

BTW folks, Shadowdancer is from Argentina so he brings perspective when he says that.

IMHO the Perons of Argentina (a form of fascism in my terminology) and their successors have brought down a country that had a first world standard of living , , , and the Progressives (liberal fascism in my terminolgy) of America, e.g. President Obama, are following similar policies which are having similar effects on what was once the greatest economy in the world.

Prepare to have your assumptions shattered.
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« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2010, 03:29:02 PM »

...Prepare to have your assumptions shattered.
I couldn't say it better so I had to say it BIGGER.  smiley

S.
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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2010, 08:46:01 PM »

This guy was on the radio today. Very funny  grin
Podcast for June 22nd. - Scroll down to "Why Zombies Would Win"
http://www.theworld.org/
Here's the article:
http://drezner.foreignpolicy.com/
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« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2011, 01:51:56 PM »



http://modernsurvivalonline.com/top-10-downloads-you-should-have/
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« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2011, 11:17:53 PM »

this guy     http://ferfal.blogspot.com/    says he lives in argentina and went through their economic collapse, i like what he says and i think he's pretty level headed. and he comes from another viewpoint that is not purely doom and destruction of everything modern. if nothing else a different angle is refreshing.
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« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2011, 11:19:37 PM »

i just realized above shadowdancer posted a recomendation by the guy whose website i recomended.
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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2011, 01:48:06 PM »

Suppose the unthinkable happened, and terrorists struck New York or another
big city with an atom bomb. What should people there do? The government has
a surprising new message: Do not flee. Get inside any stable building and
don’t come out till officials say it’s safe.

The advice is based on recent scientific analyses showing that a nuclear
attack is much more survivable if you immediately shield yourself from the
lethal radiation that follows a blast, a simple tactic seen as saving
hundreds of thousands of lives. Even staying in a car, the studies show,
would reduce casualties by more than 50 percent; hunkering down in a
basement would be better by far.
But a problem for the Obama administration is how to spread the word without
seeming alarmist about a subject that few politicians care to consider, let
alone discuss. So officials are proceeding gingerly in a campaign to educate
the public.

“We have to get past the mental block that says it’s too terrible to think
about,” W. Craig Fugate, administrator of the Federal Emergency Management
Agency, said in an interview. “We have to be ready to deal with it” and help
people learn how to “best protect themselves.”

Officials say they are moving aggressively to conduct drills, prepare
communication guides and raise awareness among emergency planners of how to
educate the public.

Over the years, Washington has sought to prevent nuclear terrorism and limit
its harm, mainly by governmental means. It has spent tens of billions of
dollars on everything from intelligence and securing nuclear materials to
equipping local authorities with radiation detectors.

The new wave is citizen preparedness. For people who survive the initial
blast, the main advice is to fight the impulse to run and instead seek
shelter from lethal radioactivity. Even a few hours of protection, officials
say, can greatly increase survival rates.

Administration officials argue that the cold war created an unrealistic
sense of fatalism about a terrorist nuclear attack. “It’s more survivable
than most people think,” said an official deeply involved in the planning,
who spoke on the condition of anonymity. “The key is avoiding nuclear
fallout.”

The administration is making that argument with state and local authorities
and has started to do so with the general public as well. Its Citizen Corps
Web site says a nuclear detonation is “potentially survivable for thousands,
especially with adequate shelter and education.” A color illustration shows
which kinds of buildings and rooms offer the best protection from radiation.

In June, the administration released to emergency officials around the
nation an unclassified planning guide 130 pages long on how to respond to a
nuclear attack. It stressed citizen education, before any attack.

Without that knowledge, the guide added, “people will be more likely to
follow the natural instinct to run from danger, potentially exposing
themselves to fatal doses of radiation.”

Specialists outside of Washington are divided on the initiative. One group
says the administration is overreacting to an atomic threat that is all but
nonexistent.

Peter Bergen, a fellow at the New America Foundation and New York University’s
Center on Law and Security, recently argued that the odds of any terrorist
group obtaining a nuclear weapon are “near zero for the foreseeable future.”

But another school says that the potential consequences are so high that the
administration is, if anything, being too timid.

“There’s no penetration of the message coming out of the federal
 government,” said Irwin Redlener, a doctor and director of the National
Center for Disaster Preparedness at Columbia University. “It’s deeply
frustrating that we seem unable to bridge the gap between the new insights
and using them to inform public policy.”

White House officials say they are aware of the issue’s political delicacy
but are nonetheless moving ahead briskly.

The administration has sought “to enhance national resilience — to withstand
disruption, adapt to change and rapidly recover,” said Brian Kamoie, senior
director for preparedness policy at the National Security Council. He added,
“We’re working hard to involve individuals in the effort so they become part
of the team in terms of emergency management.”

A nuclear blast produces a blinding flash, burning heat and crushing wind.
The fireball and mushroom cloud carry radioactive particles upward, and the
wind sends them near and far.

The government initially knew little about radioactive fallout. But in the
1950s, as the cold war intensified, scientists monitoring test explosions
learned that the tiny particles throbbed with fission products — fragments
of split atoms, many highly radioactive and potentially lethal.

But after a burst of interest in fallout shelters, the public and even the
government grew increasingly skeptical about civil defense as nuclear
arsenals grew to hold thousands of warheads.

In late 2001, a month after the Sept. 11 attacks, the director of central
intelligence told President George W. Bush of a secret warning that Al Qaeda
had hidden an atom bomb in New York City. The report turned out to be false.
But atomic jitters soared.

“History will judge harshly those who saw this coming danger but failed to
act,” Mr. Bush said in late 2002.

In dozens of programs, his administration focused on prevention but also
dealt with disaster response and the acquisition of items like radiation
detectors.

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“Public education is key,” Daniel J. Kaniewski, a security expert at George
Washington University, said in an interview. “But it’s easier for
communities to buy equipment — and look for tech solutions — because there’s
Homeland Security money and no shortage of contractors to supply the silver
bullet.”

Dr. Irwin Redlener of the National Center for Disaster Preparedness says new
insights are not reaching the public.
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Duck and Cover
After Hurricane Katrina in 2005 revealed the poor state of disaster
planning, public and private officials began to question national
preparedness for atomic strikes. Some noted conflicting federal advice on
whether survivors should seek shelter or try to evacuate.
In 2007, Congress appropriated $5.5 million for studies on atomic disaster
planning, noting that “cities have little guidance available to them.”

The Department of Homeland Security financed a multiagency modeling effort
led by the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California. The
scientists looked at Washington, New York, Chicago, Los Angeles and other
big cities, using computers to simulate details of the urban landscape and
terrorist bombs.

The results were revealing. For instance, the scientists found that a bomb’s
flash would blind many drivers, causing accidents and complicating
evacuation.

The big surprise was how taking shelter for as little as several hours made
a huge difference in survival rates.

“This has been a game changer,” Brooke Buddemeier, a Livermore health
physicist, told a Los Angeles conference. He showed a slide labeled “How
Many Lives Can Sheltering Save?”

If people in Los Angeles a mile or more from ground zero of an attack took
no shelter, Mr. Buddemeier said, there would be 285,000 casualties from
fallout in that region.

Taking shelter in a place with minimal protection, like a car, would cut
that figure to 125,000 deaths or injuries, he said. A shallow basement would
further reduce it to 45,000 casualties. And the core of a big office
building or an underground garage would provide the best shelter of all.

“We’d have no significant exposures,” Mr. Buddemeier told the conference,
and thus virtually no casualties from fallout.

On Jan. 16, 2009 — four days before Mr. Bush left office — the White House
issued a 92-page handbook lauding “pre-event preparedness.” But it was
silent on the delicate issue of how to inform the public.

Soon after Mr. Obama arrived at the White House, he embarked a global
campaign to fight atomic terrorism and sped up domestic planning for
disaster response. A senior official, who spoke on the condition of
anonymity, said the new administration began a revision of the Bush
administration’s handbook to address the issue of public communication.

“We started working on it immediately,” the official said. “It was
recognized as a key part of our response.”

The agenda hit a speed bump. Las Vegas was to star in the nation’s first
live exercise meant to simulate a terrorist attack with an atom bomb, the
test involving about 10,000 emergency responders. But casinos and businesses
protested, as did Senator Harry Reid of Nevada. He told the federal
authorities that it would scare away tourists.

Late last year, the administration backed down.

“Politics overtook preparedness,” said Mr. Kaniewski of George Washington
University.

When the administration came out with its revised planning guide in June, it
noted that “no significant federal response” after an attack would be likely
for one to three days.

The document said that planners had an obligation to help the public “make
effective decisions” and that messages for predisaster campaigns might be
tailored for schools, businesses and even water bills.

“The most lives,” the handbook said, “will be saved in the first 60 minutes
through sheltering in place.”
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