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Crafty_Dog
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« on: March 15, 2014, 12:22:07 PM »

I'm not sure whether this thread will turn out to develop traction, but I start it with some thoughts of a savvy friend:

"What if the Malaysian Air matter involved this scenario?  The airliner was supposed to hijacked and landed at a certain location.  At that time, the hijackers would announce their crime and demand ransom for the passengers.  After the ransom would be paid, the hijackers would release the plane with instructions to fly the plane to a certain airport.  However, the hijackers also planted a bomb (maybe even a small nuke or CBW) in the cargo hold that would be detonated on or just before landing. 

"There are a lot of different targets for a lot of different groups.  On the other hand, we know the original AQ via KSM used Malaysia as a meeting point pre-9/11.

"Now, what nation would refuse to let the plane land?"
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« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2014, 12:44:20 PM »

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/03/14/rush-limbaugh-has-a-theory-on-what-happened-to-the-missing-malaysian-plane/
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« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2014, 07:41:32 AM »

Former El Al security chief: Iran likely involved in Malaysia plane disappearance

Robert Spencer    Mar 16, 2014 at 9:14pm www.jihadwatch.org

He said that “investigators were correct in honing in on the two fake-passport carrying Iranian passengers on the doomed flight, and they have wasted valuable time by exploring other leads.” Those Iranians do seem to have been dismissed rather casually. And Iran’s being involved would make perfect sense: the Iranian mullahs are bolder than ever, as they know that Barack Obama isn’t going to lift a finger to stop their jihad, and instead will continue to give them whatever they want.

“Ex-El Al expert: Iran likely involved in MH 370,” by Debra Kamin for the Times of Israel, March 16 (thanks to Pamela Geller):

A former security chief for El Al said that the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 points directly to Iran.

Isaac Yeffet, who served as head of global security for Israel’s national carrier in the 1980s and now works as an aviation security consultant in New Jersey, said investigators were correct in honing in on the two fake-passport carrying Iranian passengers on the doomed flight, and they have wasted valuable time by exploring other leads.

“What happened to this aircraft, nobody knows. My guess is based upon the stolen passports, and I believe Iran was involved,” he said. “They hijacked the aircraft and they landed it in a place that nobody can see or find it.”

In the immediate aftermath of the aircraft’s disappearance, which occurred last week during a standard night flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, Malaysian officials and the media were fixated on the story of two Iranians who had made it onto the plane with stolen passports. As the days wore on and the investigation uncovered new and confusing details, with officials admitting that the plane could have traveled for as long as seven hours without radio contact, and that its potential location could be anywhere from northern Kyrgyzstan to the southern Indian Ocean, attention has shifted to the pilots and to far-flung conspiracy theories. This is a misstep, said Yeffet, and one that would not have happened in Israel.

“This would never have happened on an Israeli plane,” says Yeffet. “An El Al aircraft was hijacked for the first and last time in 1968. Since then, there has not been a single flight where security did not check every single name.”

However, it would have taken more than just a pair of Iranians with forged documents, Yeffet said, to pull off such an astonishing crime. “I can’t believe for a second that if these people planned to hijack the aircraft, it was just them,” he said. But based upon the tried-and-true Israeli intelligence strategy of profiling, the pilots, he said, are unlikely suspects.

“We are talking about a captain who is 53 years old, who has worked for Malaysia Airlines for 30 years, and suddenly he became a terrorist? He wanted to commit suicide? If he committed suicide, where is the debris?”

Adding that the captain in question, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, was known to be happily married and comfortably well-off, Yeffet said the profile simply does not fit. “From the United States to China to Japan, everybody is searching for this aircraft or piece of it. And there is no sign. So in my opinion, the aircraft was hijacked. And it was an excellent plan from the terrorists, to land in a place where they can hide the plane and no one can find it.”

Lt. Col. (Res.) Eran Ramot, a former IAF fighter pilot and the head of aviation research at Israel’s Fisher Institute for Air and Space Strategic Studies, however, drew other conclusions.

“It would be very complicated [for someone other than the pilot to have flown the plane],” Ramot said, based on the stunning revelations that the flight not only made a total U-turn from its planned route but also dipped in between radar points for hours and had all of its tracking systems manually turned off. “It takes somebody that knows how to operate an airplane like this.”

Like Yeffet, Ramot believes the plane was being intentionally flown to a secret location, and he went as far as to say he is holding out hope that the 239 passengers and crew who were on board are still alive.

“We don’t know any better yet,” he said. “One of my theories is that the airplane landed in Bangladesh. It could reach there, it’s very close to Afghanistan. It could have landed on airstrip there, and everybody on board is still alive. It could be done.”

Asked what would have happened if the plane – which went undetected for hours as it blipped across Malaysian radars – had entered Israeli airspace, Ramot said, “It would not go unnoticed, that’s for sure. Action would have been carried out, the least of which would have been an interception to escort it.”

That doesn’t mean that the Malaysian military wasn’t paying attention, he added. It’s simply that in Israel, the margin for taking chances is significantly reduced.

“It’s a matter of atmosphere,” he said. “Here, every blip on the screen is suspicious because that’s the way we live. That’s our daily program. I can’t imagine they pay as much attention, but if a blip runs wide or runs strange, I would expect them to notice.”

Pini Schiff, one of Israel’s top aviation security experts, said that if there is any comfort that Israelis can take from the story of MH 370, which is proving to be one of the most confounding aviation disasters of all time, it is that it could never happen to a plane flying out of Ben-Gurion International Airport.

“It simply wouldn’t happen at Ben-Gurion,” he said. “The level of security at Ben-Gurion and on all El Al planes is so high, there is nothing more they could do… Nations are not spending billions of dollars the way the Israeli government is protecting Israeli aviation, because the threat against Israeli aviation is so high. What we are doing in Ben-Gurion is an operation that is not being done in any other airport in the world. Not in the United States, not in Britain, not in Germany, not anywhere.”

Like his colleagues, Schiff said that his guess is as good as anyone’s as to the fate of MH 370, but he also believes there’s a good possibility that it has been brought down, intact, on a hidden runway in some far-flung corner of the world.

“It will be found. It may take a month or a year, but eventually, it will be found,” he said. “This aircraft didn’t vanish. It exists somewhere in the world, and it will be found, probably in one piece.”
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« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2014, 08:57:31 AM »

It looks like this was a flight that went exactly according to plan. Iran is complicit?  Makes you glad that Pres Obama did everything he could do in 2009 to support the popular democratic uprising against the the world's number one sponsor of terrorism.  Oh, that's right, he did absolutely nothing when that opportunity to stand down tyranny and terrorism was front and center.

The US cannot be the world's policeman?  That's right but then accept that no one is going to do it.  Planes and countries will disappear from time to time, not our problem.  Maybe the UN can call an emergency meeting to condemn this act.  Nothing says we are serious about stopping terrorism and rogue military offensives like gutting our defense and intelligence budgets.
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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2014, 11:07:11 AM »

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/03/23/report-investigators-now-looking-for-mystery-woman-who-called-malaysia-airlines-pilot-before-takeoff/

Also, 3 star general Mcininery (sp?) is sticking by his notion that the south India Ocean thing may be a diversion and that what really happened is that the crew and or others hijacked the plane to Pakistan or eastern Iran. 

Question presented:  How then did it cross Indian airspace?

Answer:  By shadowing Singapore flight 68.

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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2014, 11:54:16 AM »

Malaysian Prime Minister strangely sounds like all doubt has been removed:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-ended-south-indian-ocean/story?id=23033246

Officials Say Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane 'Ended in the Southern Indian Ocean'
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I have not yet heard that they identified a single part or person.  Did I miss something?  (Or did they?)
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« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2014, 07:35:41 AM »

I'm not satisfied with Malaysia's work on the investigation here.
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« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2014, 08:15:11 AM »

I give this explanation ZERO credence.  The Malaysian government has been under severe pressure to produce evidence/explanation of what happened.  They are extremely motivated to get this OFF their plate and turn the world's attention AWAY from them.  This is nothing more than a transparent and laughable attempt to close out the investigation and move on.  I still maintain that this plane was hijacked and landed somewhere.  There are quite a few experts that share this suspicion.
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« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2014, 09:41:02 AM »

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/world/the-depth-of-the-problem/931/?tid=sm_fb
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