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« Reply #150 on: September 28, 2016, 12:26:52 PM »

Of course .  One of the few times I agree with Obama and now Republicans (and few crats) make a stand and over ride a veto.  This WILL come back to hurt us.   

http://www.breitbart.com/news/senators-vote-to-override-obamas-veto-of-sept-11-bill/

But the internet control  give away - watch they will do nothing.


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« Reply #151 on: September 28, 2016, 02:14:29 PM »

Of course .  One of the few times I agree with Obama and now Republicans (and few crats) make a stand and over ride a veto.  This WILL come back to hurt us.   

http://www.breitbart.com/news/senators-vote-to-override-obamas-veto-of-sept-11-bill/

But the internet control  give away - watch they will do nothing.




I second that. I do not like opening a door to where other countries can sue us.
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« Reply #152 on: September 28, 2016, 05:59:14 PM »

http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2016/09/28/pat-caddell-calls-out-stupidity-republicans-internet-takeover-debate-another-sign-america-selling-out/

Oh but Repubs are so strong. (with overwhelming sarcasm) They won the right for New York City attorneys to make a fortune suing Arabia!

Wow what a victory.   This is great for American.

Thank God they stand up for us  tongue
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« Reply #153 on: October 16, 2016, 08:10:48 PM »

So what will one of their first priorities be?

To help the Left pass reform for one of their favorite issues:

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/10/why-conservatives-will-need-a-new-party-if-when-hillary-wins

We do need a new party.  But who can do it?  How did the Republicans replace the Whigs? 
How can we replace people in power?   Look how both the right and left establishment with the media on their side buried the Tea Party.

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« Reply #154 on: October 16, 2016, 08:26:54 PM »

So what will one of their first priorities be?

To help the Left pass reform for one of their favorite issues:

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/10/why-conservatives-will-need-a-new-party-if-when-hillary-wins

We do need a new party.  But who can do it?  How did the Republicans replace the Whigs? 
How can we replace people in power?   Look how both the right and left establishment with the media on their side buried the Tea Party.



The anger that made Trump isn't going away.
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« Reply #155 on: October 25, 2016, 10:42:38 AM »

I place in this thread because of my anger at the sanctimonious Republicans.

For example:

"Finally, for years, readers of conservative magazines have read daily fare about voter fraud. "

And the Republican "establishment" response:

"Yet when Trump however crudely, conspiratorially, and inexactly takes up this theme, what do some conservatives then do? They have in the past printed dire warnings of election theft, without worrying about the concrete consequences and now they become hysterical when someone agrees with their wolf calls in light of clear evidence of media collusion and Democratic campaign roguery?"

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/441397/democratic-hypocrisy-never-trump-sanctimony

Getting along, reaching across the aisle , get government working again, getting things done sounds nice.  But it is a loser to bigger and bigger government, more loss of freedom, more central control and the rest.   

Folks it is over.   We have lost unless by some miracle Trump pulls this out.
I don't get how the establishment Republicans think we can "live" to see another day.   I guess they are corrupted and don't care. 


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« Reply #156 on: October 25, 2016, 01:48:01 PM »

Getting along, reaching across the aisle , get government working again, getting things done sounds nice.


Sounds nice to who? Not to people who value the Constitution and find it to be the ideal standard of guaranteed rights, not some "work of fiction."


Folks it is over.   We have lost unless by some miracle Trump pulls this out.


That's a lie. Clinton doesn't have half of the support her purchased media states. Neither her nor Kaine can fill a high school gymnasium, and Trump routinely pulls in 10's of thousands of people to his events.

Try again.
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« Reply #157 on: October 25, 2016, 02:31:26 PM »

DDF,

"Sounds nice to who? Not to people who value the Constitution and find it to be the ideal standard of guaranteed rights, not some "work of fiction."

Sounds nice to the Left, to undecideds, and to establishment Republicans Democrats and others who make a very good living off government and its related power.   My point was making the government "work" or compromise is the same as pushing for the LEft.

"That's a lie. Clinton doesn't have half of the support her purchased media states. Neither her nor Kaine can fill a high school gymnasium, and Trump routinely pulls in 10's of thousands of people to his events. "

Your right.  Gays , Women, Blacks, Jews, Irish Catholics, Muslims, Asians, Middle Easterners, Hispanics, lawyers, teachers (or for that matter most gov. employees), university people,
 people who benefit from Obama care, and those on government benefits are all going to come out and *secretly* pull the lever for Trump.
Just like Dick Morris told us Romney was going to win.
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« Reply #158 on: November 14, 2016, 12:31:01 PM »




And I don't know why a liberal Republican who is worse then most Rinos is speaking for the party anyway:

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/kevin-mccarthy-common-ground-secure-borders/2016/11/14/id/758744/

I have zero confidence in this guy..  His voting record is worse than many Democrats for goodness sakes:

https://www.conservativereview.com/members/kevin-mccarthy/liberty-card/
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« Reply #159 on: November 14, 2016, 01:45:56 PM »

Isn't he the moron who declared the real purpose of Gowdy's Benghazi committee was to "get Hillary" for political gain?
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« Reply #160 on: November 14, 2016, 02:45:22 PM »

Isn't he the moron who declared the real purpose of Gowdy's Benghazi committee was to "get Hillary" for political gain?

Yes.  http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-benghazi-kevin-mccarthy-214325
Bad gaffe.
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« Reply #161 on: November 14, 2016, 04:21:04 PM »

Isn't he the moron who declared the real purpose of Gowdy's Benghazi committee was to "get Hillary" for political gain?

Yes.  http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-benghazi-kevin-mccarthy-214325
Bad gaffe.

I know... but just going to say... I don't trust anyone that would wear a salmon colored tie.




And I don't know why a liberal Republican who is worse then most Rinos is speaking for the party anyway:

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/kevin-mccarthy-common-ground-secure-borders/2016/11/14/id/758744/

I have zero confidence in this guy..  His voting record is worse than many Democrats for goodness sakes:

https://www.conservativereview.com/members/kevin-mccarthy/liberty-card/

Because they're both one and the same. Term limits... has to happen.
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« Reply #162 on: November 15, 2016, 11:29:17 AM »

On the face of it this stinks:

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/11/the-election-is-over-house-gop-celebrates-by-passing-a-new-tax-on-concrete
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« Reply #163 on: February 23, 2017, 07:18:02 PM »

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/GOP-Obamacare-repeal-and-replace-town-halls/2017/02/22/id/775110/
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« Reply #164 on: February 23, 2017, 07:37:49 PM »


I like that they don't have an answer for it. Just repeal the POS and let the free market sort it out. Kind of the idea behind freedom. The whole "wiping your own rear end" kind of thing.
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« Reply #165 on: March 24, 2017, 07:49:07 AM »

??   

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/446039/checks-balances-american-democracy-trump-administration-courts-congress-states-media
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« Reply #166 on: March 24, 2017, 10:12:47 AM »


He makes a number of good points.
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« Reply #167 on: March 24, 2017, 07:05:59 PM »

and frankly look foolish to have been voting to repeal for years and now they have their chance and they cannot get it together.

So I don't know what Charles who is on our side, seems to be cheerful about.

Except they he voted for Hillary was it?  Not Trump.

He is happy now? vindicated.  Sounds like DC er to me.
BTW I don't see how anyone can blame Trump for this defeat.  The bill basically pissed off everyone from the right - center - left.



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« Reply #168 on: March 24, 2017, 09:10:01 PM »

Drop this forever and move on is probably a negotiating move.

John Hinderer at Powerline says, in hindsight they should have done tax reform first.  (Famous people caught reading the forum.)
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« Reply #169 on: March 24, 2017, 11:07:04 PM »

" (Famous people caught reading the forum.)"

We have our moments grin
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« Reply #170 on: March 31, 2017, 08:35:19 AM »

Trump blaming the freedom caucus for the failure of healthcare reform 1.0 is bad politics.  They need each other, and the count was 15 no votes Freedom caucus, 18 no votes other Republicans.
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« Reply #171 on: March 31, 2017, 11:12:46 AM »

Agree that going after the Freedom Caucus is quite unwise.  These are the men who back Trump (against Ryan!) during the Pussy Grab Tapes brouhaha.

My understanding is that the other no votes by Reps were those in Dem heavy districts who feared the bill going too far (!)

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« Reply #172 on: April 01, 2017, 12:32:28 PM »

Agree that going after the Freedom Caucus is quite unwise.  These are the men who back Trump (against Ryan!) during the Pussy Grab Tapes brouhaha.

My understanding is that the other no votes by Reps were those in Dem heavy districts who feared the bill going too far (!)



It is starting to look like Trump's presidency will end up only having bought us time.

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« Reply #173 on: May 01, 2017, 10:00:53 AM »

Republicans won the the House, the Senate, and now the White House.  100 days in, we have a budget with Republican fingerprints all over it.  The government is funded.  Planned parenthood is funded.  The wall is not.  Obamacare is fully in place and the tax system is the one that Bill Ayers, Saul Alinski and Jeremiah Wright's protege put in place for us, working with Pelosi and Reid.

Elections have consequences?  Depends.
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« Reply #174 on: May 01, 2017, 10:02:24 AM »

Republicans won the the House, the Senate, and now the White House.  100 days in, we have a budget with Republican fingerprints all over it.  The government is funded.  Planned parenthood is funded.  The wall is not.  Obamacare is fully in place and the tax system is the one that Bill Ayers, Saul Alinski and Jeremiah Wright's protege put in place for us, working with Pelosi and Reid.

Elections have consequences?  Depends.

Fcuking worthless.
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« Reply #175 on: May 01, 2017, 12:04:15 PM »

Famous people caught reading the forum, Rush Limbaugh opened his program making the same point.

"That's why I don't get too close to them", he said.  

Likewise.  I support policies and philosophies, not people or parties.  My choice of policies is never supported by Democrats or Centrists, but it is also rarely advanced by the Republicans either, in spite of their occasional supportive words.

Instead of finding 5-10% to disagree on and getting nothing done, Republicans need to find 80% to agree on and get it done.  Now.

Everything we say in foreign policy gets lost in domestic policy.  Appease and fear your enemies and they are emboldened making everything else you will do harder and more costly.  So we cave on all the demands of Chuck Schumer, and that will bring him to the table on WHAT?  Nothing.

I could not care less about a government shutdown or "non-essential" services.  I care about political consequences, but only if it is rightfully blamed on our side.  How could it be?  Only if we roll over and play dead.

The wall was not worth fighting over?  To Trump??  Planned Parenthood, sanctuary cities, not worth fighting over?  Excessive spending is not worth fighting over?  What happened to that budget Pres. Trump just released that cut spending 20%?  Showmanship?  How about 1% of those cuts just to prove it's possible?  Prove we had an election.  How about tying their spending to our tax reform?  It isn't ready?  We need more time to debate it?  Bullshit.  We need to get it right and pass it.

Our side is not ready to govern - and their side wants to destroy the country.  

Lousy choice.
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« Reply #176 on: May 01, 2017, 03:02:05 PM »

GM:  "F...ing worthless."

And while thinking these thoughts, the RNC called me for money today.

They got an earful.  I don't think money is what they need right now.
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« Reply #177 on: May 03, 2017, 07:44:44 AM »

Politics at Heritage?  Or is it politics out at Heritage?

Eliana Johnson reports from behind the scenes.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/02/why-jim-demint-was-ousted-from-heritage-237876
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« Reply #178 on: May 03, 2017, 09:10:30 AM »

I don't know how an organization can call itself "conservative" and claim they are NOT political.  Isn't that an oxymoron.

More  like a  establishment big DC  trying to wrest control from real " conservative" vs tea part populist or constitutional conservative issue influence???


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« Reply #179 on: May 03, 2017, 03:08:23 PM »

I don't know how an organization can call itself "conservative" and claim they are NOT political.  Isn't that an oxymoron.

More  like a  establishment big DC  trying to wrest control from real " conservative" vs tea part populist or constitutional conservative issue influence???

Based on the reporting, DeMint was leading in a Trump direction, looking for research to support that narrative.  Needham is more of a Cruz guy.  Trump is the political vehicle of the moment, but some of his economic ideas aren't backed up in the data.  Cruz and some of his ideas aren't practical or electable in my view.  Heritage should study the effectiveness of different policies and leave the mechanics of campaigning, getting elected and getting things passed to the parties and politicians.

On taxes and economic policy, Heritage should stand unapologetically for economic growth and individual economic freedom, research and print what the mainstream media refuse to do on that.

Here is and example I was looking at yesterday:  http://www.heritage.org/node/18247/print-display
The tax rate cuts of the 1920s were followed by a 61% increase revenues over 7 years.
The Kennedy tax rate cuts brought a 62% increase in revenues over 7 years.
The Reagan tax rate cuts yielded a 54% increase over 6 years (100% over 10 years).
[Then when Bush or Trump propose tax rate cuts, the media demands to know how they will deal with the static revenue loss - a demonstrably false premise question.]

In another example, Heritage ranks which countries allow their people the most and least economic freedom and the economic results that accompany that.

Who do we trust to research these things if they don't?  Brookings? The NY Times?  MSNBC??

Besides Heritage, may I suggest people give money to Center for the American Experiment and some others:
https://www.americanexperiment.org/donate/
https://secured.heritage.org/join-heritage-parallax/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=donate&t_recur=1
https://securessl.cato.org/support/donate
https://www.judicialwatch.org/donate/make-a-contribution-2/
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« Reply #180 on: May 14, 2017, 12:58:50 AM »

Please feel free to post that in the Tax thread here and the Economics thread on the SC&H forum too.
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« Reply #181 on: May 14, 2017, 08:19:16 AM »

http://www.nationalreview.com/g-file/447594/donald-trump-james-comey-debacle-fbi-director-fired-certified-letter

"Ask anybody off the record, of course on Capitol Hill about whether all this drama helps them get bills passed or judges confirmed. They will laugh at the question."
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